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July 15, 2024 9 mins

On Sharp Money, Jonathan Von Tobel joined Femi Abebefe and Jared Smith to get his thoughts on the NBA Summer League and the recently released NBA win totals.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back. This is Sharp Money family and Benfet Jared Smith.
Then hey, our buddy Johnathan von Tobel Vson, senior NBA analyst,
co host of VS in Primetime, which you can check
out Monday through Friday weekdays. Obviously I said that six
to nine Eastern time, but this week, you guys, you
and Tim are on Follow the Money, so make sure
you check that out seven to ten Eastern time.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
DVT. How we doing. What's up? Man? I'm good, you know.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
I'm actually I get to go play in the All
Star Invitational that my palm puts the other of Little
Blackjack tournament, So I'm going over there when I'm done here.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I'm trying to give him a rain check on that.
I said. I'm doing Sharp Money, buddy.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Yeah, I'm terrible at it, but hey, I'm gonna get
some free slot play, so that's all that matters.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
But I'm good.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
And we got NCAA football coming out later today, so
we got a lot going on.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Absolutely, we're gonna talk about ncablay football caause we have to.
This is like for millennial men. This is like a
national holiday. But I do want to get your thoughts
real quick before we get to the NBA. The Olympic team.
The US men's basketball team played Australia in Abu Dhabi
earlier today, got a little hairy after they had a
comfortable lead. They only win ninety eight ninety two. Australia covers,

(01:00):
but really easily. It was twenty and a half. They
only lose by six. Any cause for concern with Team
USA after yesterday's out, I mean, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Really ever concerned at friendlies because you just don't know
what you're working on, right, you don't know what you're
messing with. I didn't watch the gamming details, going to
watch it a little bit later today, so I only
want the box score to go off of. But I
do think that overall this team's going to be fine.
And the fact that you're a team that is going
to be built from your defense first and then going forward,
I think it's a really.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Good way to do it with fever basketball.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Right, Like we know the way the rules are changed,
you have a ton of depth up front when it
comes to your forwards and your centers. I think you're
going to be able to dominate in this format with
the way that you play. So I wouldn't take anything
crazy away from it. Remember going into the twenty twenty Olympics,
I believe it was Australia they lost to in the
first friendly. Everybody was freaking out right, the country was
in a terrible spot. This is crazy out was the
world beating us? And then they went on to win

(01:46):
gold that year. So I think they're going to be
perfectly fine friendlies. And it's like preseason, right. You never
know if the pitcher's coming out and just going I'm
just throwing straight sliders today to work on something.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Same thing here. You don't know if they're working.

Speaker 3 (01:56):
On keys things, just to see how we will work
against different coverages and whatnot.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Well, speaking of preseason summer league, it's not that, but
it kind of feels like the pre preseason. And we've
talked about this before. With these kind of offshoot events,
there's value, especially if you know the rosters and you've
done a ton of legwork with the rosters, and I
think you know you posted a bunch of it on
vicent dot com, but I'm assuming you tweeted out a
lot of it as well. Overall, before we get into

(02:21):
today's card, like has this been a normal summer league,
handicapping wise, based on the years pass that you've done.
Is there any quarks, any nuances that we should be aware.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
No, I mean there hasn't really been anything like the
crazy different. I would say the nuance would be a
team like it that's playing today. So the Houston Rockets
for me have been an auto bet when these lines
get hung because they are the highest rated, rated team
out here. You have Cam Whitmore, you have Reed Shepherd,
who has he hasn't even hit the ground running. He's
hitting the ground sprinting. He has been awesome in his
first two games. He's been absolutely unbelievable. They by far

(02:49):
have the best roster, it would seem in the NBA
Summer League. Now it is depending on whether or not
they keep playing these guys. Yeah, because Cam Whitmore is
the Ragning Summer League MVP. He was awesome last year
and he is a guy that played for the eason
to go and should have a role on this team.
Same thing with Reed Shepherd. So always a worry there
is going to be that maybe we get a report
that those who aren't going to play. But today, for example, Jared,
you know, I bet the Rockets minus five and a half.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Mind of six, I think eight, yeah right now draft.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, these things move quick, especially with these highest rated teams,
and that's something i'd recommend, Like, we only got a
couple of games left, but for a team like Houston,
if that number is going to open anywhere in the
range of like four and a half or five, which
is a fair number here in a summer league setting,
I would just almost immediately blindly go to it because
that number is going to move up in that regard.
But that's pretty much it. I think when it comes
to it, there's not been anything crazy. You know, we're
pretty even in terms of favorites and overs and unders

(03:36):
and things like that.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Totals kind of I'm seeing one seventies eighties.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Is that kind of the fair? Fair? Fair value fair?
I mean, you're getting some really extremes.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
So the other day, actually, I think we had a
game in regulation that had two hundred and thirty three
points and then we had another game in regulation that
had one hundred and.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
Forty points the same tim.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, so well, no, we have ten minute quarters to
ten okay um ending in overtime, so that's the other
part about it. So but I think it's been really
what you kind of expect so far. Evaluate the rosters,
as you said, find the best players. And that's really
what it is, is no sweet science. I just look
got to go, Yeah, roster's better and I better man.
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Hanging out with JVT Vsent senior NBA analyst, co host
of VS in primetime tek them out on vson dot
com as well with all of his written work. Right now,
the Summer League favorite is the Orlando Magic plus four
fifty the Rockets five to one. They've joined them. You
mentioned read Shepherd, he's hit the ground sprinting and any
NBA rookie of the year for you with reach Uper,
will you have an avenue for that? Because I know
the Rockets they do have a lot of depth there

(04:31):
and some people might think that the team could be
a surprising team this upcoming season. Reach upard right now
eight to one over at Draft seas.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
So you mentioned why I have some positive it, which
is Summer League is one thing, But what's his role
for Houston when the season gets started? Right like, this
is a team that has accelerated itself into you know,
it's so called.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
Phase three, which is we want to win. We want
to win now and you look.

Speaker 3 (04:50):
At some of these By the way, we haven't even
seen the fact that they have all of this stuff.
They could try to get still somebody else. You know,
you could go and try to pry a guy from
a team with all the draft cap that you have.
So I don't think that Reed Shepherd's role is going
to be massive. So at eight to one, Femmy, that's
where I kind of be like, you know, I want
a little bit more on a guy who's gonna be
coming off to the bench of rookie with a whole
bunch of dudes in front of him, and with the

(05:12):
team that clearly has a message of could be for
a championship now. And so I think once the season begins,
you'll probably see his odds drip back out to those
double digits because his role is not gonna be as big,
and then you can go in and get it because
maybe his role grows. But at the current price for Shepard,
I would say no. But I'll say this, I mean,
I think they got a dude because he's doing everything
like you see him. If a guy is gonna you know,
gonna go underscreen, then he's gonna even pull up. He's

(05:33):
if You're seeing him get a guy on his hip.
He knows exactly what to do with him. He knows
exactly where guys are his assist or wonderfully at five
steals the other night, like he knows exactly what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (05:41):
Man, I absolutely love his game so far. So rookie
of the year of him is not so much.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
There's some other guys I think are worth it, but
I think overall he's going to be a really good player.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Win totals dropped today, Celtics Thunder at the top. How
about that thunder top rated win total least in the
Western Conference. Bottom of the barrel looks like nets Blazer's Wizards.
And then of course you just get you know, all
the teams there in the middle. We've seen some movement
already here. Anything jump out to you.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Early on, but well, I haven't looked at them over yet.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
It's Memphis, see yeah, forty six and a half.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
So Grizzlies are going to kind of be my my
pick here going like I got a few shound them
already to win the whole entire thing. They're gonna be
a team that I think is forgotten in this whole
grand scheme of Western Conference.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
It is absolutely awesome.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
But this is a team that last year they failed
because they got unhealthy. Right Like you had John Morant
get injured, you had Marcus mar Get injured, you had
a whole bunch of dudes working their way back from
long term injuries like Brandon Clark. But when this thing
is finally put together in healthy, remember this is a
team that was a top three seed in the Western
Conference the last two years they were together.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
So I think that the the team that is kind
of flying under the radar and towards all things, whether
it's win total, whether it's to win the summer or
to win a summer eagu to the the rosters actually,
but to win the finals, to win the West. The
Memphis Grizzlies from me are that team to start looking toward,
because I think they come into the season a little undervalued.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Yeah, to your point, two years ago, they won fifty
six games. Last year they won fifty one games. This
pass these and obviously the injury has derailed the season
there and the suspension themself. That's u with Jah Moran.
I told Jared there was a team that I already
saw that there was. Yeah, I was This team, of course,
is the San Antonio Spurs with Victor Webbin Yama opened
thirty four and a half. Now it's thirty five and
a half, and it's still juiced to be over Any

(07:16):
interest on the San Antonio Spurs with Wemby now going
into year two.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
Yeah, I mean a little, but I think we're kind
of in the range of were getting a little too high.
I mean, look, San Antonio might have some solid upside,
and Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes are really good players
to add to this roster. I think they are going
to be willing to play the role as veterans to
allow guys to grow. They're going to be better than
last year. But this is still a team that when

(07:40):
Webben Yama was on the floor, was absolutely abysmal, that
still has some questions in terms of its depth. I
think I can understand it. But I think this is
the summer of the overrated Spurs. I mean, you see
the win total where it's at. You see wemban Yama
opening a dollar seventy favorite minus one seventy to win
Defensive Player of the Year, minus two fifty in other spots,
like every other everything, Spurs really for a team that

(08:01):
has its win total for a team that has its
odds is very much smacking of overvalued. And I think
I'd rather go in the other direction with san ay Tonio.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
But here's the count argument, isn't it that, like, by
the end of the season, would it surprise you Wemby's
the best player in the league, and like if that's
the ceiling for him, usually that players could have a
wintal thirty five.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
I think it would surprise me because I would say this,
I think our love for when Benyama is just, but
we're also forgetting like there were some awkwards, there were
some awkwardness on offense, and to be the best player
in the league, you gotta be the best offensive player
as well. And I think that there are a lot
of other guys who you would still put ahead of one.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Banyama.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
He's got all the makings of doing that. But I
don't know if you're going to be at the point
where you're taking a team that is going to have
a win total thirty four and a half. I mean,
look at the teams ahead of them, that they would
have to say, you know, somehow for pass to be
better than in the Western Conference. The Clippers are still
going to be an adequate team. We have the Rockets,
you have the Lakers, you have the Pelicans, you have
so many teams to standard the Sacramento Kings. There's so
many of these teams that are just going to cannibalize

(08:57):
on each other that I do think it's going to
be hard to push forward, to push for a play
in win thirty six, thirty seven games do those sort
of things, And that's where I kind of have my hesitation.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Kids still pretty young.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
We're talking about what nineteen right now, and I think
that's where I would probably kind of draw the line
with them.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
Last thirty seconds here. I know your affinity for the
City of New York. Talk about the Knicks and Jalen
Brunson's a very unselfish decision last week.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
I mean, I think they're the second like two B
team in the Eastern Conference. I think that the fit
of Paul George, Joelumbiid and Tyres Maxey altogether gives them
a slight edge. And the fact that the Knicks are
pretty small at center. You have Mitchell Robinson, you don't
have much else behind him. You're missing Aiah Hardstein. To me,
that gives like the Phillies, the seventy six ers.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
What if they go out and get someone though be
with that?

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Sure, that's one question Bill it is who is?

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah, I don't know, but I do think that they
have put themselves in position to win a top two
seed in.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
The East and be very competitive.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Obviously, the New York Knicks wins total fifty two and
a half over at drafting
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