June 17, 2024 • 10 mins
Mitch Moss and Pauly Howard preview the NBA Finals game 5.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
How many bets youfs so far in the NFL? A handful.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Chiefs to win the Division, Bears no playoffs, Bears under nine.
I have to look at a couple other ones. I
got a lot of Jets stuff. Okay, Aaron Rodgers comeback,
Aaron Rodgers Offensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'm right there with you.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, I'm more than five or less than twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Okay, I'm probably in that same wheelhouse as you.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I will say this too, Like I get some people,
they don't want to tie up their money starting in
like may or even April. However, like there is something
to Once you miss the number, you're like, oh man,
I can't. My example would be this betting awards, and
I'm gonna tell myself to tread lightley going into the year.
We'll see how that plays out in the next month
or two. But when Circa posted their Coach of the
(01:28):
Year odds, they had by far the best number on
Mike McDonald for the Seahawks. It was thirty two to one.
He's the number one guy that I looked at, and
I'm like, thirty two to one. That's better than I anticipated.
Everybody else is like nineteen twenty whatever. Guess what I
didn't bet it. I was going back and forth and
now he's down to like nineteen to one, and now
I want no part of it. So if you see
a number that you like right away, I mean, it's
the NFL here. There's nothing wrong with going into the
(01:50):
season and going in the summertime with having a handful
of bets at least, you know, every single year. Last
year I went nuts. I had so many bets by
the end of June it was crazy. So I'll probably
die back a little bit from that.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, and my win total bets were terrible, not the
worst worst year of my life. With the win total bets,
Tampa surprised me. I thought Houston be bad colts a
lot of them.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yes, okay, So what do you make of some of
the props that we have tonight? Some of these the
props at DraftKings, other books as well, offering this like
to lead the series in points? Well, Luca has one
hundred and eighteen points. The next closest is Kyrie, He's
got eighty four, then Brown and then Tatum.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
How about this?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
What about a market to offer who's going to be
the second leading scorer in the in the NBA Finals
Because Luca has this one wrapped up.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That's very good.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Now, the turnaround by Derek Lively for most rebounds last
two games, he was I didn't even see him on
the board at some spots.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Other people chiming insane. He was higher than one hundred
and one before Game three. He now leads by.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Five, yeah, four dollars. Now at DraftKings. Oh my god, Luca,
it's over. I mean the points, forget about it. It's over.
It is White's now fourteen hundred for threes. Oh that
is flipped too fourteen hundred.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Can I give you this angle? So he's got thirteen
threes Tatum Luca sam Hauser nine. Sam Hauser is two
hundred to one to lead the series in threes. Now,
let's pretend for a second here that the Celtics finish
him off tonight. It's a blowout and they win, it's
(03:20):
in the third quarter, it's a huge lead. Is there
an angle here where Houser could get enough run where
he's still putting up shots and he hits like six
threes and maybe you get a dead heat out of
this or he eventually wins White.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, we just saw it with Hardaway.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, so that's what I'm kind of thinking here.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Or even in a blowout tonight, in a Celtics victory
and they're in charge the entire time, does Missoula not
like really pull his starters or the main guys until
a couple minute left in the fourth quarter so they
can enjoy this be on the court and really take
in as much as possible for an eventual champion.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And maybe Kid beats him, beats him to it. You know,
maybe Kid would wave the flag if it's a twenty
two point game with six minutes left five minutes left.
Who knows, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And then how keep going bombs away?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well that was the whole story this year. How many
twenty and thirty point leads they have? Right, so if
they come out and it's a lot of garbage time,
that that's in play and we and we just saw
with what with what hardaway? Did you know? And the
other one that we talked about on Friday Show or
Thursday Show Kyrie? Yeah, Friday Show, Kyrie. Is a dollar
(04:32):
five to have the most points in a game in
the series. Someone's got to score thirty six points tonight,
assuming the Celtics win, Someone's got to get thirty six
to beat you. It was plus one fifteen didn't happen
in game four, and now it's a dollar five.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't. I mean, Paul, come on, the total is
now done to like two nine x game?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Are we going to have an over? I mean it's
we're gonna go five and over to the under here?
That too?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
That the thing rights, who's gonna which is there going
to be a player in a lower scoring game that's
going to go off and score more than what Kyrie
did in Game two?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Game three? Probably not? Yeah, that seems highly unlikely.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's a big ask, That is a big ask for
so I'm going to drop thirty six.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, totally agree. I think he might be honest something
with that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
One bet that right now, But DraftKings a dollar five.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
How about the lively rebounding props again tonight? So now
this has changed dramatically throughout. Even in the last game,
it was either seven and a half around a buck
thirty five to the over, or eight and a half
was a nice plus price. Now tonight he's eight and
a half at DK the overs minus one twenty two.
So the odds have changed here by you know, forty
to fifty cents in one game. But again there's that
(05:40):
blowout angle if Kid does wave the white flag because
it looks so lively. Rebounding props look so easy to
be over right now, But then you have to have
a close game, and Kid's got to be you know,
this guy's going to have to play close to twenty
five thirty minutes again, which I would think he has
to because he's awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
But a big part of lively here though, is what
you're going to get out ofis and how many minutes
and the right does he even play that. That's that's uh,
that's enormous as well. And then it ties into Horford
stuff and I also foul trouble. But I think you
get a big game out of Tatum finally, and uh
they bounce back and get that eighteenth banner. I can't
(06:18):
the the six one seven Stuff's hilarious. How can this be?
The area code is six one seven. Today is six
seventeen twenty four. The last title was six seventeen oh eight.
Come on, Hollywood, laugh at you come up with that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
So there's also this tow too. Run this down from
Sean Grandy.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, six seventeen that the date they won the last championship.
Three of the icons we've lost in the years since, Russell,
Havlicek and Jones, and Game five will be played in
Boston six seventeen twenty four.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Come on, yep, Celtics in a blowout.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Sure, I'm having fun with that, but I do think
that they ended tonight. That was kind of you called it.
I mean, that was I think your analogy on Friday,
going back to the twenty seventeen NBA Finals between the
Warriors and the Cavaliers. It played out and it was
spot on, because in that year, did you say the
Warriors did not have a loss in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yes, they were fifteen and oh, fifteen.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And oh and taking care of business, kicking ass and
taking names. And I remember where I was for that game.
For I was at Caesar's Palace for some reason watching
the game, and the Cavaliers had like almost ninety points
in the first half.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, they couldn't.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Miss six thirteen threes.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And so similarly, well, look what happened to Edmonton? I mean,
what is is this? That's remember that file that away
for the next few years. And I mean Edmonton's down
a three and they chased Bobrovski eight goals eight one.
It's like the second biggest blawlout in Stanley Cup Final history.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Where'd that come?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Big?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So that that's we're not getting swept and you're not
celebrating on our home floor the perfect storm.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Do you think Bob cost himself to con Smith?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yes, unless he comes back with it shut out tomorrow.
But if they you can't get chased. He got he
got chased. And that's the to be sitting there on
the bench, you have to giving up five. That's in
how Barkoff big time.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yep, I mean it really is.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
He was brilliant before that, but they have one game
like that where you can't finish it out.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You're getting yank because it's so bad.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I don't know how Awards award voters will look at
that and say, still got to give it to him.
He's plus one O five, He's tied a DK with Barkoff.
Same minds now to win the con smythe.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, same thing too. Edmonton's dominated the last four periods,
Dallas has dominated the last five quarters, and Edmonton's dominated
the last four periods. But I think you're going to
be a completely different game. And I wouldn't be surprised
if Florida blows him out tomorrow, and I wouldn't be
surprised if Boston blows out Dallas tonight. That's just that's
just how it goes.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
How it is.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, and Boston let go of the rope and they
didn't bring any defensive intensity. No, So say what you
want about him. You know, Missoula is great with Well,
this guy's a lunatic. He really between the town and
slipping in UFC footage and a I tapping out in
the middle of the highlights and film sessions. I mean,
he'll be all over that film session had to be
(09:05):
brutal with putting guys on Front Street. What happened with
the rent probably the worst defensive game they've had all.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Year, and I would agree.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I think Tatum goes off tonight, But does he go
off to the point of where he goes for twenty
eight points or more. He's probably twenty seven and a half.
I maybe look at the rebounds and assists tonight over
combined for Tatum.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You think Brown has it, Let's just win the game.
That's going to be Brown.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I'm not confident enough in betting that number.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Okay, well, there's another angle. That's one of the worst
games Holidays ever played in his career. I mean, he
couldn't be He was like minus thirty six or so
that I'll bet he was awful. You could right all
turning the ball over, no defense, pathetic. So you know, Holiday,
I'll play well. So that's another angle, but certainly Holidays
out of the MVP discussion.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Now keep this in mind, though Bobrovski was minus four
to fifty minus five dollars before Game four, Jalen Brown
was minus two eighty. He opened up minus three forty
before Game four of the Finals. Now he's on a
two thirty five tatas plus two fifth. I person I
don't think I can bet this market. I just I
personally think that Tatum can still win the award if
he has a monstrous game tonight and he close to
(10:10):
like a triple, if he has like thirty eleven and eight,
I'm not going to be surprised tomorrow if we're on
the air talking about Jason Tatum NBA Finals MVP, Now
that's maybe easier said than done. I just I'm not
confident enough in Brown to lay the two thirty five.
So Paul, he's gonna recap what a weekend. It was
huge numbers that came in, landing spots, wins, some loose,
(10:33):
some coming up next, and follow the money.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
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Now we come heavy. Now we go. We start with
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drop our NFL Betting Guide, Previews, analysis, best bets, win totals.
You got to be a Vson Pro subscriber to get
the guide. Get it for one ninety nine. We'll kicking
an extra month for free. It's thirteen months, less than
(00:23):
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Speaker 2 (00:39):
How many bets youfs so far in the NFL? A handful.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Chiefs to win the Division, Bears no playoffs, Bears under nine.
I have to look at a couple other ones. I
got a lot of Jets stuff. Okay, Aaron Rodgers comeback,
Aaron Rodgers Offensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I'm right there with you.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, I'm more than five or less than twenty.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Okay, I'm probably in that same wheelhouse as you.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I will say this too, Like I get some people,
they don't want to tie up their money starting in
like may or even April. However, like there is something
to Once you miss the number, you're like, oh man,
I can't. My example would be this betting awards, and
I'm gonna tell myself to tread lightley going into the year.
We'll see how that plays out in the next month
or two. But when Circa posted their Coach of the
(01:28):
Year odds, they had by far the best number on
Mike McDonald for the Seahawks. It was thirty two to one.
He's the number one guy that I looked at, and
I'm like, thirty two to one. That's better than I anticipated.
Everybody else is like nineteen twenty whatever. Guess what I
didn't bet it. I was going back and forth and
now he's down to like nineteen to one, and now
I want no part of it. So if you see
a number that you like right away, I mean, it's
the NFL here. There's nothing wrong with going into the
(01:50):
season and going in the summertime with having a handful
of bets at least, you know, every single year. Last
year I went nuts. I had so many bets by
the end of June it was crazy. So I'll probably
die back a little bit from that.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, and my win total bets were terrible, not the
worst worst year of my life. With the win total bets,
Tampa surprised me. I thought Houston be bad colts a
lot of them.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Yes, okay, So what do you make of some of
the props that we have tonight? Some of these the
props at DraftKings, other books as well, offering this like
to lead the series in points? Well, Luca has one
hundred and eighteen points. The next closest is Kyrie, He's
got eighty four, then Brown and then Tatum.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
How about this?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
What about a market to offer who's going to be
the second leading scorer in the in the NBA Finals
Because Luca has this one wrapped up.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
That's very good.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Now, the turnaround by Derek Lively for most rebounds last
two games, he was I didn't even see him on
the board at some spots.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Other people chiming insane. He was higher than one hundred
and one before Game three. He now leads by.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Five, yeah, four dollars. Now at DraftKings. Oh my god, Luca,
it's over. I mean the points, forget about it. It's over.
It is White's now fourteen hundred for threes. Oh that
is flipped too fourteen hundred.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Can I give you this angle? So he's got thirteen
threes Tatum Luca sam Hauser nine. Sam Hauser is two
hundred to one to lead the series in threes. Now,
let's pretend for a second here that the Celtics finish
him off tonight. It's a blowout and they win, it's
(03:20):
in the third quarter, it's a huge lead. Is there
an angle here where Houser could get enough run where
he's still putting up shots and he hits like six
threes and maybe you get a dead heat out of
this or he eventually wins White.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, we just saw it with Hardaway.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, so that's what I'm kind of thinking here.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Or even in a blowout tonight, in a Celtics victory
and they're in charge the entire time, does Missoula not
like really pull his starters or the main guys until
a couple minute left in the fourth quarter so they
can enjoy this be on the court and really take
in as much as possible for an eventual champion.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
And maybe Kid beats him, beats him to it. You know,
maybe Kid would wave the flag if it's a twenty
two point game with six minutes left five minutes left.
Who knows, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
And then how keep going bombs away?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well that was the whole story this year. How many
twenty and thirty point leads they have? Right, so if
they come out and it's a lot of garbage time,
that that's in play and we and we just saw
with what with what hardaway? Did you know? And the
other one that we talked about on Friday Show or
Thursday Show Kyrie? Yeah, Friday Show, Kyrie. Is a dollar
(04:32):
five to have the most points in a game in
the series. Someone's got to score thirty six points tonight,
assuming the Celtics win, Someone's got to get thirty six
to beat you. It was plus one fifteen didn't happen
in game four, and now it's a dollar five.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I don't. I mean, Paul, come on, the total is
now done to like two nine x game?
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Are we going to have an over? I mean it's
we're gonna go five and over to the under here?
That too?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
That the thing rights, who's gonna which is there going
to be a player in a lower scoring game that's
going to go off and score more than what Kyrie
did in Game two?
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Game three? Probably not? Yeah, that seems highly unlikely.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
That's a big ask, That is a big ask for
so I'm going to drop thirty six.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah, totally agree. I think he might be honest something
with that.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
One bet that right now, But DraftKings a dollar five.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
How about the lively rebounding props again tonight? So now
this has changed dramatically throughout. Even in the last game,
it was either seven and a half around a buck
thirty five to the over, or eight and a half
was a nice plus price. Now tonight he's eight and
a half at DK the overs minus one twenty two.
So the odds have changed here by you know, forty
to fifty cents in one game. But again there's that
(05:40):
blowout angle if Kid does wave the white flag because
it looks so lively. Rebounding props look so easy to
be over right now, But then you have to have
a close game, and Kid's got to be you know,
this guy's going to have to play close to twenty
five thirty minutes again, which I would think he has
to because he's awesome.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
But a big part of lively here though, is what
you're going to get out ofis and how many minutes
and the right does he even play that. That's that's uh,
that's enormous as well. And then it ties into Horford
stuff and I also foul trouble. But I think you
get a big game out of Tatum finally, and uh
they bounce back and get that eighteenth banner. I can't
(06:18):
the the six one seven Stuff's hilarious. How can this be?
The area code is six one seven. Today is six
seventeen twenty four. The last title was six seventeen oh eight.
Come on, Hollywood, laugh at you come up with that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
So there's also this tow too. Run this down from
Sean Grandy.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Okay, six seventeen that the date they won the last championship.
Three of the icons we've lost in the years since, Russell,
Havlicek and Jones, and Game five will be played in
Boston six seventeen twenty four.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Come on, yep, Celtics in a blowout.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Sure, I'm having fun with that, but I do think
that they ended tonight. That was kind of you called it.
I mean, that was I think your analogy on Friday,
going back to the twenty seventeen NBA Finals between the
Warriors and the Cavaliers. It played out and it was
spot on, because in that year, did you say the
Warriors did not have a loss in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Yes, they were fifteen and oh, fifteen.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And oh and taking care of business, kicking ass and
taking names. And I remember where I was for that game.
For I was at Caesar's Palace for some reason watching
the game, and the Cavaliers had like almost ninety points
in the first half.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, they couldn't.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Miss six thirteen threes.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And so similarly, well, look what happened to Edmonton? I mean,
what is is this? That's remember that file that away
for the next few years. And I mean Edmonton's down
a three and they chased Bobrovski eight goals eight one.
It's like the second biggest blawlout in Stanley Cup Final history.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
Where'd that come?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Big?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So that that's we're not getting swept and you're not
celebrating on our home floor the perfect storm.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Do you think Bob cost himself to con Smith?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yes, unless he comes back with it shut out tomorrow.
But if they you can't get chased. He got he
got chased. And that's the to be sitting there on
the bench, you have to giving up five. That's in
how Barkoff big time.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Yep, I mean it really is.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
He was brilliant before that, but they have one game
like that where you can't finish it out.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
You're getting yank because it's so bad.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I don't know how Awards award voters will look at
that and say, still got to give it to him.
He's plus one O five, He's tied a DK with Barkoff.
Same minds now to win the con smythe.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah, same thing too. Edmonton's dominated the last four periods,
Dallas has dominated the last five quarters, and Edmonton's dominated
the last four periods. But I think you're going to
be a completely different game. And I wouldn't be surprised
if Florida blows him out tomorrow, and I wouldn't be
surprised if Boston blows out Dallas tonight. That's just that's
just how it goes.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
How it is.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, and Boston let go of the rope and they
didn't bring any defensive intensity. No, So say what you
want about him. You know, Missoula is great with Well,
this guy's a lunatic. He really between the town and
slipping in UFC footage and a I tapping out in
the middle of the highlights and film sessions. I mean,
he'll be all over that film session had to be
(09:05):
brutal with putting guys on Front Street. What happened with
the rent probably the worst defensive game they've had all.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Year, and I would agree.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
I think Tatum goes off tonight, But does he go
off to the point of where he goes for twenty
eight points or more. He's probably twenty seven and a half.
I maybe look at the rebounds and assists tonight over
combined for Tatum.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You think Brown has it, Let's just win the game.
That's going to be Brown.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I'm not confident enough in betting that number.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Okay, well, there's another angle. That's one of the worst
games Holidays ever played in his career. I mean, he
couldn't be He was like minus thirty six or so
that I'll bet he was awful. You could right all
turning the ball over, no defense, pathetic. So you know, Holiday,
I'll play well. So that's another angle, but certainly Holidays
out of the MVP discussion.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Now keep this in mind, though Bobrovski was minus four
to fifty minus five dollars before Game four, Jalen Brown
was minus two eighty. He opened up minus three forty
before Game four of the Finals. Now he's on a
two thirty five tatas plus two fifth. I person I
don't think I can bet this market. I just I
personally think that Tatum can still win the award if
he has a monstrous game tonight and he close to
(10:10):
like a triple, if he has like thirty eleven and eight,
I'm not going to be surprised tomorrow if we're on
the air talking about Jason Tatum NBA Finals MVP, Now
that's maybe easier said than done. I just I'm not
confident enough in Brown to lay the two thirty five.
So Paul, he's gonna recap what a weekend. It was
huge numbers that came in, landing spots, wins, some loose,
(10:33):
some coming up next, and follow the money.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
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