March 17, 2020 • 48 mins
Eric and Roselyn learn why everyone is buying so much toilet paper. And, Dr. Roshini Raj answers our COVID-19 questions.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is he said with Eric Winsor and Rosalin Fantev. Boys,
when us we are here, we're doing you know, we're
doing this podcast, and there's a lot of conversation between us,
is this can we pull off a podcast wright? Or
should we do in a podcast? Right now? What we
(00:21):
know a lot of people are at home looking for
things to do, and you know, we've had a lot
of listeners right in and they like having the release
of listening to a podcast and enjoying good conversation, maybe
learning something like we're gonna learn today from a couple
of our special guests. So we're here. It was it
was a bit of a struggle for me because I
(00:41):
was like, I don't know, Eric, if if we should
be funny and try to make people laugh. It's it's serious,
what's happening serious? We gotta be us. We have to
look I'm not I'm not a person that is not serious.
And I do understand and appreciate the importance and the
severity of the situation, but I also like to joke
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at home and laugh and try and not be so
wrapped up in the panic, you know, dession, depression about
the whole thing. Yeah, you know, I'm not doing very
I'm not doing very well, guys. I don't know. I
don't know why. I don't know if it's it's just
a combination of of many things. I guess sleep. I'm
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not sleeping, slept and like god knows how long, and
now she wants me to buy everything under the sun
to try and help her sleep. And you know what,
I'm going to be very honest, full disclosure here. I
have a problem because I am very heavy, so I'm
always thinking, thinking, so it's difficult. I'm me to go
to bed and the coronavirus isn't helping, and you know,
and coronavirus is not helping, and then you know, we're
used to working and we're parents of two kids that
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we adore, and there are lives, but I think this
is the first time besides just Saturdaly on Sunday, but
we don't have the nanny um that we are experiencing. Okay,
we're gonna be with these kids potentially for months to
calm that. Right, there is trus just just the thought
of it. It's trussed to be asked. And it's been
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three days wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
and yeah, I'm in my head about it, so I'm
not sleeping very well. And also okay, now we don't
work and and the business shut down, and it was
difficult for me this pilot season and after ground hotel god, um,
god cancel. I thought things were going to panel differently
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for me, and it's been kind of weird. And now
coronavirus is here and it's hitting home and I need
to sleep usually to do. I will love a volume
every night, and Eric doesn't like it. Would look I
would like a doesn't like it maybe and it doesn't
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like Yeah, because I want to sleep every freaking night.
It's called a problem, So I said, because I don't drink,
so I don't know what it is I'm going to have.
I don't drink. Yeah, but well no, it doesn't make
it well. I don't do the correction. I don't want
people thinking that I have a problem. You just said
I would like to know. I said I would. I
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would like to have one of every conscious and you're
my conscious, that's your my conscience. Then I said, Eric,
can you do me a favor? I need something? So
I understand how violume or xanax or I mean, does
the work for me, Ami does the opposite thing for me.
So no ambient or UNI so to know whatever talent
o PM. I understand that that's not good for you.
It's addictive, it's not good for you. It's going to
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get to the point that your body is going to
need it to be able to sleep. So Ross cut
it out. I'm going to cut it out. An intervention
on this podcast intervention. And I said, give me some
Brownie pot whatever you call it, brownie pot whatever. Brownie
Brownie said, No, the GARMI the gmmies that have about
pot gummies, and I'm like, you don't need pot Gummies's ridiculous. Everybody,
everybody does it. I've never had everybody. You're not Moto,
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but I feel like I need. But this is a
person that this is a person that brags about I'm
so clean, I did anything. Now she's like loaded coronavirus.
Brownie pot okay whatever. And I told Eric, listen to me,
this is a cry for help. Your wife is asking you.
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I need something to sleep so I can function. Oh no,
put your right to bed. No, it doesn't at all.
I have to get all go take a shower, clean myself,
make sure I don't get a vide infection and every
time I know it doesn't it and it just sounded horrible. No,
a very clean person has nothing to do with you.
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I know you're very clean. I have a tendency of
getting you t eyes and like that, so I need
to always get up and clean myself profusely. Anyways, the
point is Eric, Eric said, I'll handle it. I'm going
to call some friends. You didn't take care of anything,
and you don't you know what he got me. He
came home with a bottle of B sick Vitamin B
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six helps you sleep. It's a great thing for sleeping
and helps promote the maltone in And can we get
you going? Then? My trainer for me knocked out anything
I'm deep sleep with. But you sleep through anything, it
doesn't matter. Then let someone Colombia mafia fit. My trainer said, ros,
you need to have a passion flower I think is
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these herbal drops. It's gonna work magnificently. So I took
I did the drops and then I took up the six.
I had horrible nightmares because you mixed like hallucination. I
told you don't mix. First of all, I said to her, specifically,
do one B six start with that. See what happens.
She pops too and squirts a load of this freaking
water flower water into her mouth. I look over in
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the middle of the bed, I see out of the
squirt thing. I'm like, what are you doing? She's like, nothing, nothing,
it's flowers. I'm like, what do you drinking flowers for? Flashion? Flower?
It's unreal. Try sport flowers in your mouth, but you won't.
Just have a B six. I'm trying it. I'm still
not sleeping my next time. Coronavirus is destroying This is
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the problem in our house. Like, she is the most panic,
stressed out person about everything. Eric. We gotta quarantine. We
gotta do this. Oh but wait, can you go to
the grocery store. Then that's not quarantine. I just went
around a bunch of people in the grocery store. Eric,
you go for us, Okay, I'll go to you know what, Eric,
I actually need this from the farmer's market. I'll go
to the farmer's market. You go to the grocery store.
I'm like, why are you going to the farmer's market
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Because I need my vegan scone and I need my juice.
I only can get this one juice from there, I do.
But what the fun? It has its cactuses that help
you sleep. It helps me stay healthy. But you're about
to get the coronavirus because you're in the larger gathering.
You just gotta stay home if you're worried about it.
But then she sends me to the story you can't
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semi partially quote unquote quarantine and then go to the
grocery store where I went to the farm's market for
fifteen minutes. That's all I've done twice a week before,
and then the week before it wasn't this hysteria. That
doesn't matter. Still sat virus anyways, I am very responsible.
I'm being very We're both protected and I'm not even
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having sex. We both because I have the coroner virus.
We both are doing what we can to be safe,
and that's what's important. But do you have to chill out?
I have to How do you feel about having the
kid you day? A couple of times I heard you like,
I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die. I I've always said this,
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stay at home mom, stay at home Dad's toughest job
in the world. I have so much respect all the
time for them. My mom had four kids and no help.
I don't know how she did it. It's a gift,
a gift. It's a gift. Now that you are, I'm
better than you. But we just know. It was a
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rough three days, and part of it I think was
the panic, which you know, is something we have to
try not to push onto the kids. We have to.
We disagree on this. I want to keep not to
keep the kids, you know, shielded from what's going on,
because they have to be educated. But I don't want
to share a panic with them or make anything seem crazy. Meanwhile,
I come home and Rosalind has showed the kids the
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new Cardi B video singing coronavirus on Instagram. Now our
kids are singing the coronavirus song that Cardi B did
because shared that she said this is real, so she goes,
this thing is real, and now Dylan and Sabella are
twenty four hours day singing coronavirus. This thing is real.
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It's so sad that you taught them that. I didn't
teach them that I thought it was historicals is Sabella.
I gonna show you this video and it's not just
Cardi B starts with Cardi B and then it goes
to all these different people dancing. She's smells practically twerking
during the song. I'm not okay with this. I don't
even like sharing social media you with them. We've had
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this conversation. Next time, next topic. Don't like this topic.
I don't want to talk. I don't want to be
I don't want to be fighting. I showed her a
thirty second thing on instant. What did she do today
when she came out and it was a star and
you left and you left? Anyways, let's talk politics. What
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do you think? How do you think this is going
to affect the presidency of Donald Try for another four years?
Anything is possible at this point because he's, like he
said today, if if we're gonna get through this and
I'm gonna make the stock market bounce back and it's
going to be incredible, anything's possible. What does annoy man
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that he is next to the Brazilian whatever person that hadded,
shaking hands with this person, spending time with this person,
and he tests that. You think it's surprising, It's not
that surprising. Three players in the NBA have tested positive.
Do you know how many guys eyes have played opposite
the two infected players. It's not It's clearly it's easy
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to get it for some, but it's not that easy
for everyone. Because if you're talking about direct contact, two
guys played against like three different teams, they're in locker
rooms surrounded by all their teammates, and only two people
on the team got it. It's not you know what
this pandemic situation, the way that it's been handled by
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the government of the United States. Do you think he
has a chance to win again and become the president
for four more years again? I don't know. But what
I don't This kind of bothers me. It doesn't matter
if you're Republican of Democrats. I just don't like how
the media will constantly find a way to create a
story about something just to sort of riff on, Like
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it's going away from the topic of coronavirus and going
into if so and so says one thing right, then
Bernie or Joe might get elected. But if Trump does
one thing wrong, he definitely might not get in the office.
I don't know if one eats to the other, I
don't know what every president would have handled this differently.
If the economy crashed, and the president was very empathetic
towards everything and making everybody feel safe, and and an
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economy crash. There's no guarantee that president would have been reelected.
It's all it's mixing two different things about their their
job as a politician in general, and one something completely
unforeseen and uncontrollable that everybody's trying to figure out. I
think he's handled some things poorly. Do you think Americans
started taking this seriously a little? To me? That's that's
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that I answered. I think Americans definitely didn't didn't get
involved quick enough. I think we saw it happening overseas
and we were late to the party, but so clearly
was Europe, and so there was a lot of people.
I don't think anybody thought it was gonna spread as
fast as it did. How do you think it's going
to affect the by Biden Sanders, um, you love making
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coronavirus about I love politics, and Eric I don't like politics,
and every doesn't let me. Doesn't He didn't, he's not
that he doesn't let me. Let me correct that. Eric
is always trying to have me not talk about politics.
He said, he hope because he is very careful about
the fans and the followers, and he said, you don't
want to cause problems because we have people from life
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politics following us. It's not that they don't like politics.
You're making the coronavirus about politics. And this is something
that I'm saly asking if you think that it's going
to affect Biden and Sanders, can't Candida because you know
what things are changing, It's gonna potentially affect any one
of them. Oh my god. Next question. You see he
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wants to change the times because it's it's important. Yeah, well,
a lot of things use your voice, you know what, guys.
Because we've had time to have when the kids go
to bed, we have a we have time to actually
talk and watch TV. We saw an incredible documentary called
Unseen Enemy that I highly recommend, so you understand this
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verity of viruses when they attacked human beings. Do that.
I read the Jessica Simpson book. We also saw the
Taylor Swift documentary. We've been culture more than I ever had,
and I do want to do when this whole thing
is over, because right now it's not really relevant. But
I think when we come back after coronavirus Fiasco. Um,
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I would love to talk about that documentary from Taylor
Swift and Jessica Simpson and about pop culture and how
it affects these girls that start uh finding fame and
fortune at such a young age, and how it shapes
them and how it affects them. You know, it's it's
fascinating to me. And also I think within the business
of entertainment, the passion and the drive or sports or
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whatever like what these girls had and the willingness to
succeed at young ages young that's something they knew they wanted.
But we'll save that for another episode. In the meantime,
let's take a break. We have a couple of great
guests coming up and we can't wait to share them
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our first coronavirus episode, I know, and we're getting together
with a special guest, Dr Mashini. Yes, ring her on
here in a second. Let's get her own a gastro.
How do you say that? Gastro intrologists and an internist. Yes,
she is a contributor on the Today Show. She's an expert.
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I don't we have a couple of questions, correct, Eric Winter? Yes?
Dr Rashini, Hello, Hello, how are you all good? How
are you? I'm doing all right? Yeah? Are you in
the office? I doubt it. I am not at the moment,
but I am here in New York City, so definitely
in the things. Are you practicing the uh? What's this
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new medical strategy where everybody's able to call and have
video video? We are we are doing some of that. Yeah,
I work at N y U, and we've definitely implemented
very quickly a big scale up of the telemedicine. So
exactly as you said, he able did to call up
and have a video conference for matters that you know
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don't necessarily have to be seen in person. But what
I do is, um, a lot of colonoscopies and endoscopies
and things that can't really be done remotely. So uh, yeah,
it's an ever changing situation day by day, but as
of now, we're still seeing patients in the office as
well and trying to keep things, you know, under control
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as much as possible. Let me ask you something, and
this might be a random question, um, but the coronavirus,
we know that it stars um in the throat right,
people get uncomfortable. It seems like a flu. As a
gastro doctor, there's no indication that it might cause any
kind of stomach issue at all. At some point, if
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somebody gets it really bad, that's a great question, um.
And the answer is we are seeing for some cases
and it's not the majority, but there is a minority
of patients who went infected with coronavirus are getting some
gastro intestinal symptoms. So specifically, die area seems to be
the one that we are seeing in again, not the majority,
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but a minority of cases. So if and for some people,
that's actually the first symptom that they're having. So if
you're having kind of unexplained diarrhea and you know you're
having a fever, maybe following that definitely whereas a call
to your doctor and kind of moderator yourself even to
see if the other symptoms developed, which exactly as you said,
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the more common and prevalent symptoms are the cost, the
kind of respiratory issues, trouble breathing, throat discomfort, and of
course the fever. I have a couple of things. One
thing I think it's great having something like you on
the phone is we can help listeners with sort of
blocking out a lot of the nonsense that you see
on social media where people are saying if you do this,
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you can actually keep yourself from getting coronavirus. I've read
a few things where I mean, this was one big issue.
I think it was an I might be off. I
think it was Iran where a bunch of people were
drinking very strong alcohol and died because they thought they
were killing this virus and they there's like forty something
people had died taking this into their own hands. And
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I've also heard rumors of if you drink a lot
of water, which I find a lot of this to
be nonsense, and that's why I want you to you educate. Um,
if you drink a lot of water, you can reduce
your chances of getting coronavirus. I read one post because
if you happen to get the virus, and maybe I'm
laughing at something that actually works, but if you happen
to get the virus, and let's just say it goes
into your respiratory system, not respiratory because it'd be too far,
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but if it's in your mouth, it's in your throat,
and you drink water, you've now pushed it down into
your stomach, and your stomach acids will kill the virus.
That was literally a post I saw on Instagram. Does
that sound realistic to you? No, it doesn't. And yeah,
I'm really glad we're talking about all these things, because look,
we're all a little bit frightened and are kind of
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desperate to do anything we can to prevent us from
getting the infection. So I understand why people are kind
of searching for these home remedies or answers. But it's
I think it is very important to separate fact from fiction.
So UM, to address what you talked about, there haven't
been any, um, any proven foods or drinks or even
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supplements at this point that can really prevent you or
certainly treat this type of infection. Unfortunately, there haven't been great,
you know, proven treatments either in the medical world, although
it does look like some anti viral medicines, particularly ones
that have been used for HIV um in conjunction with
some of the flu anti virals that we use, maybe
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working for some people. And so that's actually um a
treatment that if you're hospitalized you may end up receiving
and looks like it could be promising. But uh no,
in terms of the home remedies, none of these things
will work, and certainly there are potential downsize to it.
As you mentioned, Drinking you know, copious amounts of alcohol
is definitely it's not going to do anything to the virus,
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but it is going to particicule you. You want to, yeah, exactly, UM,
But I would love to talk about, you know, some
of the things we can do to stay healthy, especially
as we are more people are at home and confined
to their home. Um, what they can kind of do
in their home to kind of minimize exposures to germs,
exposures to loved ones if they they're sick or they
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think they may be getting sick. So we can go
through that at some point whenever. Okay, good, well, I think, um,
I know here in New York, and I think in
many parts of the country, people are really being advised
to stay at home. A lot of people are working
from home, and even if you're sick, you know, at
this point, unfortunately, our hospitals are already overwhelmed and will
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be even more overwhelmed soon, I think. So it's not
like everyone with a cold or cough should be running
to the hospital right now. And part of it is
kind of taking care of what you can at home,
but at the same time not infecting the people around you.
And I'm not necessarily talking about corona coronavirus, but in general,
if you have a cold or a cough, you're not
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sure what it is yet, you haven't built a fever,
but you may be sick, or maybe you had a
coworker who was ultimately tested positive and you're just isolating
yourself until you have more information. Um, there's some things
I think we can do to stay UM healthy while
we're at home. So one of the things is if
you've decided to kind of quarantine yourself, um and you
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most many people live with other people, so it's it's
you can't just be alone all the time. You do
really want to isolate yourself if possible, to one room
and preferably your own bathroom as well. Again not always feasible,
but if you can confine yourself to your own bathroom,
your own bedroom, then you're minimizing the risk to other people.
And again if you're a kind of symptoms at all,
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any kind of symptoms right, so even right because even
if you have a cold, it may be the big
what looks like a cold, but it could be the
beginning of something else. So I think at this point
it's important to be careful, particularly if you live with
someone who's elderly or has a serious medical condition, because
we do know they're more susceptible. But when you do
go out to kitchen, because you will be doing that
at times, or you may be sharing a bathroom, one
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thing to keep in mind is that when you're disinfecting
these areas. UM, you really want to use a disinfectant
that has bleached, because we do know that bleach will
kill the virus. So any cleansing materials that are used
to clean the countertops of the bathroom counters as well
as the sink, bleach is a very necessary ingredient. You
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obviously want to use your own utensils. You don't want
to be sharing glasses plates. If you're using the common dishwasher,
that should be fine. The heat of the water um,
for that prolonged prey, it should kill the virus as well.
But in terms of your own personal items, you know
there are now companies that are coming out with some
pretty innovative products to help with this. But for example,
we all know, of course you would never share your toothbrush,
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but now there are these individual toothpaste tablets that Hello
Products just released where you can chew your own toothpaste tablet.
It's single use. UM, it's a way that you can
avoid cross contamination because you're not sharing a tooth these
too with someone else in the family, which is, you know,
these little things that you don't often think about that
you may be touching and sharing with someone else. Now
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you can use the hollow toothpaste tablet um. There are
also things you need to be mindful of in terms
of towels and how frequently you're washing your towels. These days,
we want to be washing them much more frequently than
usual in high heat temperatures. The way we store our sponges.
You know, I just talked about cleaning with high level
bleached disinfectant, But then if you just leave the sponge
around all day, that can be another reservoir for germs.
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So I recommend actually either throwing the sponge in the
dishwasher at night, or you can even microwave it. That's
another way to get rid of the germs. And then
the last thing is, yeah, the last thing is you know,
I I work out almost every day. I tried to
in the gym in my building, and that just closed yesterday,
much to my display, But I understand there's the reasoning
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behind it. We're trying to get people not to congregate,
and many gyms are closing, and I really feel during
a time like this, when stress is so high, exercise
is extremely important. And you know, we also know that
exercise helps with immunity. We were talking about those home
remedies that don't work. Some things that do work are
things like regular exercise. We know that booster immune system,
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so how do we keep exercising when the gyms are closed.
You might live in an area where it's too cold,
or you're you're worried about going outside because you're going
to exposing yourself. Well, now they're you know, companies that
allow you to stream fitness classes um where you can
just through your iPad or your iPhone feel like you're
experiencing the class in the fitness studio, but it's actually
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in the privacy and security of your own home. Jet
Sweat is a new company that's doing that. They're actually
offering a three month if you use Yeah, they have
a three month right now. Healthy Home is the cove
if you want to try it out. But a lot
of these companies are trying to help people, and you know,
really help people stay active and healthy and not go
crazy while they are stuck indoors but you m quarantine
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or whatever we're doing a lot of people are gonna
gain weight because listen, we we have two kids and
we work out a lot. You know, we're fairly healthy,
you know, and and and vibrant. But because they're going
to the supermarket has become such a trend now, and
it's like a like a like a buying frenzy, and
you buy so much stuff because everybody is freaking out
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that we might be inside a home for months at
a time. We bought so much stuff. And because we
have kids, you get a lot of the crackers and
the chips and things that are easy to grab and eat.
And I'm finding myself just snacking all the time, and
it's driving me crazy. It's like I'm trying to stay healthy,
and at the same time, I'm going, please people, let's
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just be be smart and not take this as a
free for all. Let's just eat and watch TV and
do nothing but that, you know. And I'm the same way.
I have two boys, and of course when we talk
about supplies, they want to get the chips and the house.
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I went to the grocery store for almost two hours,
and we got home and I said, I don't know
what we can cook. He brought two little bags and
for two bags, but everything I bought I had nothing
to do with making dinner that night. I had so
much food for the future. I couldn't make one thing
for dinner. I hear you, hear you. Frozen vegetables, frozen fruits.
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Don't forget that those are still good. And you know
you can even take fresh fruit and put it in
the freezer. So think about those. Even though we tend
to just quickly look at the chips and the dry foods, um,
we don't want to let all the healthy foods go
by the wayside, and we don't know how long this
is going to last, so really trying to stock up
on those. I do have one quick question for you,
just as a doctor, and I think this is great
for the listeners to here because even without if I
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didn't google it, I guess I don't know if I
would even have the answer. If you felt symptomatic of
any kind, right, what would be step A, B C.
It's not I know it's not to go to your
general doctor. And I know people they want people avoiding
the emergency room. So do you call your general doctor
and say these are my symptoms or is there like
a hotline you're supposed to call? What is the protocol? No, yeah,
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it's really not a hotline at this point. It's calling
a general doctor. Um, and it is you know, and
I would say, if you just have a regular cold
feels like every cold you've ever had. You're not having
a fever, so it's really more of the running nose
type symptoms. We are still in the midst of cold
and flu season, so I wouldn't assume that it's anything terrible,
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and I'm talking about it someone under stix the healthy person,
let's say, um, without major medical problems, that I would
kind of wait and see, you know, how things progress.
But it probably is just a regular cold and monitor it.
But if you are having a fever and a cold
or a fever at certainly the cough with any sign
of respiratory issues, before rushing anywhere, I would call your doctor.
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If you don't have a doctor that you regularly see,
then you you would call one of the medical centers,
and they are setting up urgent kind of care hotlines
that you can call and get advice for. But I
think the people that need to be really more concerned
and more proactive about seeking medical attention quickly are people
who have either traveled to some of the areas that
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we know it's it's very rampant in and so we're
time at China, Italy, Iran Um. You know it's in
South Korea, a lot of places in Europe unfortunately now Germany, France, Spain,
or if someone here in the US that you've had
contact with a coworker, um, that kind of thing. And
so if you've had contact or you've been traveling in
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one of those places and you developed symptoms, that would
be your reason to call student rather than later. One
last thing before we let you go. UM, real quick, Um,
so it resolved by these actors just came out. Um,
I said, don't see Ann saying I am positive but
I don't have any symptoms. Is it possible that you
are caring the virus but never the symptoms, never moneyfest
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or is it just a matter of time that he's
going to get a sore throat and he's going to
start coughing. No, it's very possible that you can carry
it with no symptoms and never get a symptom. What's
a little bit troubling about that is you can Number one,
if you have no symptoms, you may have a negative test.
So if for some reason you've got tested, let's say
you were exposed to someone else, but you didn't have symptoms.
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Even if you have the infection, if you didn't have
any symptoms, it's unlikely that the test will be positive.
And the second even we're troubling thing is you can
potentially pass it to someone else even if you don't
have symptoms. Now, the likelihood of that, even with a
negative test, right, the likelihood is less than if you
are having symptoms. So people with symptoms are much more
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likely to spread it to others. But it is possible
if you don't have symptoms to still spread it to others.
And that's why all of these what seem like pretty dramatic,
you know, rules are being employed of don't congregate in
group bigger than ten, you know, closing of schools. You know,
closing of schools is an interesting one because we keep
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saying children are not as affected and they're not Thank goodness,
As a mom, I'm very happy to hear that. But
this is exactly why. Because children may get it, not
be symptomatic um and not be ill from it, but
they can still pass it on to their parents, elderly grandparents,
people in the subway, people on the streets, And that's
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why these decisions are being made to really limit everyone's
interaction so that the asymptomatic that means people with no
symptoms aren't carrying it around and giving it to other people.
So it is fair to say, it is fair to
say that if the American population doesn't follow what the
government is government is asking us to do, it's it's
fair to say that the majority of Americans can get this. Yes,
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I think the latest figure I saw was an expectation
that fifty um at least of Americans will get this. Maybe,
but that's if we don't really adhere to these measures. Hopefully,
these kinds of measures that are being implemented now, and
as you know, they're getting stricter and stricter every day.
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Hopefully that will decrease that number. But it is still
a huge percentage of people that we're talking about. And
when you talk about the fact that you know, let's
say about people will get a mild disease and maybe
we'll get a medium and five percent will get a
very severe disease, high percent percent doesn't sound like a lot,
but then when you talk about five a fifty million people,
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that's way more than our hospital or a health system
can handle. So that's why we really need to do.
All of us, whether we're healthy or not. I mean
certainly if we're not healthy to be extremely careful, but
all of us need to just for the good of
our society, for health care system, need to really isolate
as much as we can, um, so that we you know,
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get this over with and done with. It will pass,
but you know, the sooner the better for everyone all concerned.
So we can all do our bya listening and staying
informed and also staying sane, doing the things we talked about.
Stay active, you know, do your fitness routine, you know,
do your germ control in your home and outside as well,
and we hope for the best. Well, thank you so
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much for your time. We appreciate it. Hopefully this will
be our listeners take a lot away from it was
very education. Well, thank you so much. Have a great day.
You're welcome you too, about you too. All right, we
have an amazing guess I can't wait to talk to
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Kit Yarrow, consumer psychologist, professional author, consultant, speaker. Kit. Are
you with us? I am kid, I have so many
questions and this this is these are crazy times, UM.
But in light of these crazy times, I want to
discuss some really outrageous consumer behavior and maybe you can
help me understand this my first question. What is the
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obsession with toilet paper during the coronavirus outbreak? You know? Yeah, No,
I think I got it figured out. So here's the thing.
The media is doing a a lot of reporting on
panic buying, and it's all exacerbated by all the social
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media that we consume. So people are looking for really
powerful visual images. And what's more powerful than a gigantic
shelf that's empty. The toilet papers big and bulky, it
takes up a lot of space. So the empty shelf
that toilet paper was once on is much more impactful
than the empty shelf where the tuna fish was. Right,
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that's a small space compared to a big space. And
what's more powerful of visual image of somebody carrying out
massive quantities of toilet paper or massive quantities of tuna
fish the toilet paper. So I think it's really the
way that we consume imagery today that toilet paper is
just bigger and so it makes more of an impact.
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So it's sort of ended up the poster child of
panic buying. Now, we're social creatures, and we, you know,
when we see other people do things, we think we
should do it too. So we see how this toilet
paper going and we think, oh, that would really be bad.
If I didn't have toilet paper, I'd better go out
and get mine. And I think that's what's happening. It's
so crazy. So many people can wipe their bump, but
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they can't even feed themselves, like they don't have enough
food that they're loaded on toilet paper. It's you know
what I just thought about. And I don't know if
this is I don't know why they just came into
my mind. So we are blessed here in America. This
is a democracy, and we can just go to any
store and buy whatever we want however we want it right.
And this is a perfect example. There's a pandemic. Everybody
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runs to the store and just spend your money and
just buy compulsively. What happens in a place this was
happening in Cuba, coronavirus in Cuba. It's a communism? Right?
How do they do because people cannot afford to go
to a store. Basically each family gets one role, Like,
isn't it said? What's starting to happen? I believe you, Craig,
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if I'm wrong. We're starting to see versions of it
now with sanitizer For example, I've gone to a couple
of stories. They said I can only sell you one,
and and I've had so many times. Cameras are watching
me right now, so I can sell you one. And
the cops just got involved with some guy, a couple
of guys I think they I read Less Night on
USA today. They bought like they cleared all the shelves
of sanitizer and then started selling it to make more money,
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and the cops got involved, and now they had to
donate it all. Yeah, exactly right. I know. Well, some
people are panic buying and other people are just mercenary.
I think most people are resorting to panic buying. And
you know, we were used to a culture of abundance
and um the ability to get what we need when
we need it, depending on on whether or not we
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have the funds, and so it's shocking for people to
go into stores and see them empty. And that does
partially contribute to all of this panic buying that we
see going on. You know, some of it is very normal,
very rational behavior. We're going to be at home a
lot more, We're gonna be cooking our own meals. Clearly
we need things. We don't know how long we're going
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to be home, and so it makes sense. We want
the coffee, the peanut butter. We want, you know, the
things that we can stock up on to make sure
that we can feed ourselves in our family. But then
some of it, like the toilet paper in particular, is
just sort of wicky. Is There's plenty of tissue boxes,
by the way, Like I was at the store and
you could buy as many boxes of Kleenex as you
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could imagine, no one wanting. This is very interesting and
I don't know, um if we have an answer to it.
But Eric has been to the supermarket maybe three times, right,
because we keep thinking we don't have enough, we don't
have enough when we do, but you know, because we're panicked,
we keep compositively buying. And he says that is every
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time I've gotten the fish wiped out, chicken wiped out,
veggie options for the most part wiped out, and beef
actually only ground beef I've seen mostly wiped out. A
lot of other beef I've still seen there. But the
pork section is in perfect shape. And three grocery stores
I've been to. Is there a reason why people are
not buying pork? Do they relate for I don't understand coronavirus.
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I wonder it's it's so weird, isn't it. I've heard
that from other people too. I have no answer to
that question. And like this, of all times, if D
Day is coming, people are choosing now to avoid the
the quote unquote dirty meat, the pork. I don't get it.
There's just so many weird habits I think that come
out in times of crisis, that people they lose track
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of their own way of just being. They don't they
aren't behave, They're behaving irrational in a time where I
understand everybody's under a lot of stress, but rational thinking
is what we all need to hold on to the
most right now. Yeah, it's true, but you can kind
of understand. And when we feel anxious, you know, we
want to get controlled. And since we can't control of
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the virus, what we're trying to control is excuse me,
what we have and we're using shopping is a way
to feel more in control. Yeah, it's so crazy. We
have you heard of the documentary on CNN called Unseen Enemy?
I haven't so. Was the Last Night Erico that the
night before um Anderson Cooper and doctor I don't know
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how to how to pronounce his name. Sanja, Yeah, Sanja. Yes.
Here that we're doing like a kind of like a
Facebook town hall about coronavirus. And at the end of
the to our thing, they showed this documentary call Unseen
Enemy UM that came out in two thousands, seventeen before coronavirus,
and they were talking about um pandemic and pandemics and
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the zeka, chikun kuya, the ebola, the stars, you know,
all these incredible viruses that have basically shaped the world.
And they were saying, there was this lady, she was
a professor, and it was fascinating to me how she
was explaining in a very elemental way that climate change
and the constant industrial how do you say that, eric
(39:10):
industrially station industrialization. Yeah, that humans are creating it's destroying
the natural habitat of species. And I'm going to talk
specifically about bats because what happens is they are used
to living on top top of really really high um trees,
like tall trees, and because of climbing, change is so hot,
they're moving and they like to live inside caves and
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because of human beings basically wiping out forests and rainforests
and caves. They're having to migrate and find other ways
of living, and they're going to tropical fruits and stuff
that human beings that we eat that are contaminated because
of their viruses. Right, So basically the climate change and
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because of humans not taking care of this problem and
not taking it seriously, we're messing with other species, and
other species are messing with us by default. And that
and that's the explanation that this lady is it is
saying that a lot of these viruses come the animals,
and that's the reason why have you heard of that?
I don't even know if I'm making it given it
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justice to the way that they explained it. I think
it makes sense. It's probably a partial explanation. But I
think the way that food is handled and managed is
also like a big part of this equation. Just generally
things we can control, which is cleanliness and how we
manage our food. That's a big part. When you see
a lot of any where you buy in a public
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a market or even at a grocery store, of exactly
sharing of knives and things aren't being cleaned before cutting
one thing to the next, and you're just trashing bacteria
over and over and over. What is that advice as
an expert that you think? Um? Because you know, it's
crazy times. It's so sad because we have two kids,
and I'm looking at about our daughter is eight years
old and now the school is closed, so we are
(40:57):
starting the homeschooling UM thing. And and to them, because
they're innocent, and she's she's shocked. And to her is
amusing because oh, I'm home, I don't have to go
to school. I'm with mom and dad and my little
brother and what do we do? And they're having the
time of their lives because they're staying. They're standing pajamas
all day long. You know, to them is very amusing.
But I'm looking at her and I'm going, she has
no idea that this is life changing, that what's happening
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is it's supernatural. Part you know, it's I want to
hear kids opinion on this, because part of me thinks
that's the beauty of children, that they're not as long
as you keep them safe. They they're so pure and
they're thinking that they're just enjoying life right now. They're
not stressed out and having this panic that a lot
of adults are having, and I think that's a beautiful
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thing versus having to instill your panic on the kids.
What are your thoughts on that exactly? So I'm exactly
on board with that, and I think it's really important
for parents to do a couple of things. One is
to not transmit their anxiety and panic to their kids,
so to keep it private, to keep their conversations private,
to allow their kids to feel like everything's okay. And really,
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the way that parents transmit anxiety is through their own
anxiety being displayed in front of their kids, even in
what they do, not just in what they say, but
how they look, how they act, whether or not they
have the usual level of patience and love. So to
be really really mindful of making sure that you protect
your kids from your own anxiety. And then secondly, I
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think the thing that will make this as good as
possible is to provide as much structure as you can
in your kids lives. So they're used to, you know,
now we go here, and now we go there, and
then mom goes here, and then dad goes here, and
then we get you know, dinner, and you know, they're
used to like a pattern in a structure, and although
this is fun for now, ultimately it will feel unsettling.
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And the sooner that everybody can kind of get sort
of a schedule together, like at nine o'clock we're doing this,
and then we're doing home work and then we're you know,
the better they'll feel. Kids actually really like in some
ways to be constrained. They like, you know, having structure
and boundaries put around them, and it's really important to
offer them that. I'm glad you're saying that. That's one
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of our biggest differences, you know, Rosalind and I with
our kids is that I I'm very much of the mindset, Okay,
starting today, we're going to have there's gonna be a
math time, this is gonna be your art time, this
is gonna be your pe We're gonna do these little
things because the school is now providing lessons like the
you know, the things you're gonna do for each each
class that they would normally I know, but even I
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would like to go as far as you know, before
it would be okay, pick your clothes out for tomorrow.
Roslin's like their kids let them stay in their pajamas,
and I'm thinking we got potentially a month of this,
and I'm thinking, yeah, or more. They're saying possibly even August.
Right in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, Sabella, pick your
clothes out for the next day. You're gonna get up,
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you're gonna get ready, you're gonna have breakfast, you're gonna
start school. Then you're gonna have your recess. Then you're
gonna have you know, lunch, and you're gonna have a
break to play with your brother. But I think the
more we can make it feel like the homeschool in
the better. Roslin's more lax in that part. What would
be a little bit kids kids, Oh my god, throw
(44:09):
me under the lax. But you tell me two days Eric,
she tells me all the time. You're way too crazy,
You're way too over strict with this stuff, planning how
I'm going to do this. Since something, kid, I'm gonna
tell you something. So our daughter plays tennis right four
times a week. These are like extraordinary circumstances. So it's
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scheduled to rain at eleven am today in Los Angeles, California.
So Eric managed to squeeze one last tennis less one
a tennis. Yeah, but I'm going Eric coronavirus raining can
she stay home? She needs to continue playing tennis is
very important and I get it, and I appreciate that
you so hands on and wonderful, but I'm going, could
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you gave her a little break? To hear you you
have a point, But you know, I think it's kind
of like two different things. I mean, one, you know,
helping your kids to achieve as much as they can, that's,
you know, one category. But you know, managing anxiety and
the you know, this period of uncertainty that's sort of
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a different category. And I think it's fine that they
had a couple of days that were like we pajamas,
let's have you know whatever, but then ultimately, if it
stays that way, it will be disruptive to them. So
good they had a couple of days, But now, you know,
I totally agree that it's time to create some sort
of structure. They will ultimately be happier for the structure
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and to kind of be able to anticipate what's going
to happen in their day. And kids are big learners,
you know, they love, love, love to learn, and you
want them to maintain that you know, juicy joy of learning.
So you know, giving them opportunities to learn new things
is really important too at that age. We agree. You
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just helped us avoid a disagreement later, so that's great,
and we solve the toylet paper mystery. So thank you
so much for so much. I have a great day.
Bye bye bye, Thank you, Eric. Thank you for point
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not your zero points. You know, a ladies, all the
single ladies, not all the merry ladies. Rude. That was rude.
When you do a single married ladies, No, because the
song is single and I'm actually married. So I had
to listen to me. You didn't win anything. You made
me look like ridiculous in front of kids. I'm calling,
what's happening? No? You didn't? You know you do. It's like,
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do you think I'm going to want Sabella and Dylan
to do whatever they want for a whole month? Of
course not. I love structure and organization. You know, guys,
you know you know what's happened to me. I have
realized that I don't want to be a housewife. Shout
out the housewives. I love my housewives, but I'm used
to working. And it's been three days of of me
(47:02):
cleaning and doing laundry, and because I'm obsessive with cleanness, right,
all I do, all I've done is laundry, cleaning, swift
for deal with the dogs, deal with the kids, um, cooking, organizing,
doing dishes. It's a gaza and stressing out constantly. Guys,
what are we gonna do? Eric, What are we gonna
(47:23):
do with the coronavirus? What I've been telling you, Just
we abide by the rules, stay calm, and it's not
a laughing matter. But I feel like there has to
be levity in the situation. We have to be able
to look at each other, still, share laughter, enjoy time
with each other. And as long as we're doing everything
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we can do, our consciousness is clean. And you just
have to go about life and be supportive of one another. Yes,
you know, laugh more, sleep more. It is a social
responsibility people for also be able to get rid of
rid of this and to win. We are going to
collectively become one. Stay home, wash your hands and exercise,
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exercise healthy, good, have structure and let's read it out.
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This is he said with Eric Winsor and Rosalin Fantev. Boys,
when us we are here, we're doing you know, we're
doing this podcast, and there's a lot of conversation between us,
is this can we pull off a podcast wright? Or
should we do in a podcast? Right now? What we
(00:21):
know a lot of people are at home looking for
things to do, and you know, we've had a lot
of listeners right in and they like having the release
of listening to a podcast and enjoying good conversation, maybe
learning something like we're gonna learn today from a couple
of our special guests. So we're here. It was it
was a bit of a struggle for me because I
(00:41):
was like, I don't know, Eric, if if we should
be funny and try to make people laugh. It's it's serious,
what's happening serious? We gotta be us. We have to
look I'm not I'm not a person that is not serious.
And I do understand and appreciate the importance and the
severity of the situation, but I also like to joke
(01:02):
at home and laugh and try and not be so
wrapped up in the panic, you know, dession, depression about
the whole thing. Yeah, you know, I'm not doing very
I'm not doing very well, guys. I don't know. I
don't know why. I don't know if it's it's just
a combination of of many things. I guess sleep. I'm
(01:23):
not sleeping, slept and like god knows how long, and
now she wants me to buy everything under the sun
to try and help her sleep. And you know what,
I'm going to be very honest, full disclosure here. I
have a problem because I am very heavy, so I'm
always thinking, thinking, so it's difficult. I'm me to go
to bed and the coronavirus isn't helping, and you know,
and coronavirus is not helping, and then you know, we're
used to working and we're parents of two kids that
(01:46):
we adore, and there are lives, but I think this
is the first time besides just Saturdaly on Sunday, but
we don't have the nanny um that we are experiencing. Okay,
we're gonna be with these kids potentially for months to
calm that. Right, there is trus just just the thought
of it. It's trussed to be asked. And it's been
(02:07):
three days wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
and yeah, I'm in my head about it, so I'm
not sleeping very well. And also okay, now we don't
work and and the business shut down, and it was
difficult for me this pilot season and after ground hotel god, um,
god cancel. I thought things were going to panel differently
(02:28):
for me, and it's been kind of weird. And now
coronavirus is here and it's hitting home and I need
to sleep usually to do. I will love a volume
every night, and Eric doesn't like it. Would look I
would like a doesn't like it maybe and it doesn't
(02:48):
like Yeah, because I want to sleep every freaking night.
It's called a problem, So I said, because I don't drink,
so I don't know what it is I'm going to have.
I don't drink. Yeah, but well no, it doesn't make
it well. I don't do the correction. I don't want
people thinking that I have a problem. You just said
I would like to know. I said I would. I
(03:09):
would like to have one of every conscious and you're
my conscious, that's your my conscience. Then I said, Eric,
can you do me a favor? I need something? So
I understand how violume or xanax or I mean, does
the work for me, Ami does the opposite thing for me.
So no ambient or UNI so to know whatever talent
o PM. I understand that that's not good for you.
It's addictive, it's not good for you. It's going to
(03:30):
get to the point that your body is going to
need it to be able to sleep. So Ross cut
it out. I'm going to cut it out. An intervention
on this podcast intervention. And I said, give me some
Brownie pot whatever you call it, brownie pot whatever. Brownie
Brownie said, No, the GARMI the gmmies that have about
pot gummies, and I'm like, you don't need pot Gummies's ridiculous. Everybody,
everybody does it. I've never had everybody. You're not Moto,
(03:59):
but I feel like I need. But this is a
person that this is a person that brags about I'm
so clean, I did anything. Now she's like loaded coronavirus.
Brownie pot okay whatever. And I told Eric, listen to me,
this is a cry for help. Your wife is asking you.
(04:21):
I need something to sleep so I can function. Oh no,
put your right to bed. No, it doesn't at all.
I have to get all go take a shower, clean myself,
make sure I don't get a vide infection and every
time I know it doesn't it and it just sounded horrible. No,
a very clean person has nothing to do with you.
(04:43):
I know you're very clean. I have a tendency of
getting you t eyes and like that, so I need
to always get up and clean myself profusely. Anyways, the
point is Eric, Eric said, I'll handle it. I'm going
to call some friends. You didn't take care of anything,
and you don't you know what he got me. He
came home with a bottle of B sick Vitamin B
(05:04):
six helps you sleep. It's a great thing for sleeping
and helps promote the maltone in And can we get
you going? Then? My trainer for me knocked out anything
I'm deep sleep with. But you sleep through anything, it
doesn't matter. Then let someone Colombia mafia fit. My trainer said, ros,
you need to have a passion flower I think is
(05:25):
these herbal drops. It's gonna work magnificently. So I took
I did the drops and then I took up the six.
I had horrible nightmares because you mixed like hallucination. I
told you don't mix. First of all, I said to her, specifically,
do one B six start with that. See what happens.
She pops too and squirts a load of this freaking
water flower water into her mouth. I look over in
(05:47):
the middle of the bed, I see out of the
squirt thing. I'm like, what are you doing? She's like, nothing, nothing,
it's flowers. I'm like, what do you drinking flowers for? Flashion? Flower?
It's unreal. Try sport flowers in your mouth, but you won't.
Just have a B six. I'm trying it. I'm still
not sleeping my next time. Coronavirus is destroying This is
(06:10):
the problem in our house. Like, she is the most panic,
stressed out person about everything. Eric. We gotta quarantine. We
gotta do this. Oh but wait, can you go to
the grocery store. Then that's not quarantine. I just went
around a bunch of people in the grocery store. Eric,
you go for us, Okay, I'll go to you know what, Eric,
I actually need this from the farmer's market. I'll go
to the farmer's market. You go to the grocery store.
I'm like, why are you going to the farmer's market
(06:32):
Because I need my vegan scone and I need my juice.
I only can get this one juice from there, I do.
But what the fun? It has its cactuses that help
you sleep. It helps me stay healthy. But you're about
to get the coronavirus because you're in the larger gathering.
You just gotta stay home if you're worried about it.
But then she sends me to the story you can't
(06:53):
semi partially quote unquote quarantine and then go to the
grocery store where I went to the farm's market for
fifteen minutes. That's all I've done twice a week before,
and then the week before it wasn't this hysteria. That
doesn't matter. Still sat virus anyways, I am very responsible.
I'm being very We're both protected and I'm not even
(07:14):
having sex. We both because I have the coroner virus.
We both are doing what we can to be safe,
and that's what's important. But do you have to chill out?
I have to How do you feel about having the
kid you day? A couple of times I heard you like,
I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die. I I've always said this,
(07:34):
stay at home mom, stay at home Dad's toughest job
in the world. I have so much respect all the
time for them. My mom had four kids and no help.
I don't know how she did it. It's a gift,
a gift. It's a gift. Now that you are, I'm
better than you. But we just know. It was a
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rough three days, and part of it I think was
the panic, which you know, is something we have to
try not to push onto the kids. We have to.
We disagree on this. I want to keep not to
keep the kids, you know, shielded from what's going on,
because they have to be educated. But I don't want
to share a panic with them or make anything seem crazy. Meanwhile,
I come home and Rosalind has showed the kids the
(08:18):
new Cardi B video singing coronavirus on Instagram. Now our
kids are singing the coronavirus song that Cardi B did
because shared that she said this is real, so she goes,
this thing is real, and now Dylan and Sabella are
twenty four hours day singing coronavirus. This thing is real.
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It's so sad that you taught them that. I didn't
teach them that I thought it was historicals is Sabella.
I gonna show you this video and it's not just
Cardi B starts with Cardi B and then it goes
to all these different people dancing. She's smells practically twerking
during the song. I'm not okay with this. I don't
even like sharing social media you with them. We've had
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this conversation. Next time, next topic. Don't like this topic.
I don't want to talk. I don't want to be
I don't want to be fighting. I showed her a
thirty second thing on instant. What did she do today
when she came out and it was a star and
you left and you left? Anyways, let's talk politics. What
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do you think? How do you think this is going
to affect the presidency of Donald Try for another four years?
Anything is possible at this point because he's, like he
said today, if if we're gonna get through this and
I'm gonna make the stock market bounce back and it's
going to be incredible, anything's possible. What does annoy man
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that he is next to the Brazilian whatever person that hadded,
shaking hands with this person, spending time with this person,
and he tests that. You think it's surprising, It's not
that surprising. Three players in the NBA have tested positive.
Do you know how many guys eyes have played opposite
the two infected players. It's not It's clearly it's easy
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to get it for some, but it's not that easy
for everyone. Because if you're talking about direct contact, two
guys played against like three different teams, they're in locker
rooms surrounded by all their teammates, and only two people
on the team got it. It's not you know what
this pandemic situation, the way that it's been handled by
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the government of the United States. Do you think he
has a chance to win again and become the president
for four more years again? I don't know. But what
I don't This kind of bothers me. It doesn't matter
if you're Republican of Democrats. I just don't like how
the media will constantly find a way to create a
story about something just to sort of riff on, Like
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it's going away from the topic of coronavirus and going
into if so and so says one thing right, then
Bernie or Joe might get elected. But if Trump does
one thing wrong, he definitely might not get in the office.
I don't know if one eats to the other, I
don't know what every president would have handled this differently.
If the economy crashed, and the president was very empathetic
towards everything and making everybody feel safe, and and an
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economy crash. There's no guarantee that president would have been reelected.
It's all it's mixing two different things about their their
job as a politician in general, and one something completely
unforeseen and uncontrollable that everybody's trying to figure out. I
think he's handled some things poorly. Do you think Americans
started taking this seriously a little? To me? That's that's
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that I answered. I think Americans definitely didn't didn't get
involved quick enough. I think we saw it happening overseas
and we were late to the party, but so clearly
was Europe, and so there was a lot of people.
I don't think anybody thought it was gonna spread as
fast as it did. How do you think it's going
to affect the by Biden Sanders, um, you love making
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coronavirus about I love politics, and Eric I don't like politics,
and every doesn't let me. Doesn't He didn't, he's not
that he doesn't let me. Let me correct that. Eric
is always trying to have me not talk about politics.
He said, he hope because he is very careful about
the fans and the followers, and he said, you don't
want to cause problems because we have people from life
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politics following us. It's not that they don't like politics.
You're making the coronavirus about politics. And this is something
that I'm saly asking if you think that it's going
to affect Biden and Sanders, can't Candida because you know
what things are changing, It's gonna potentially affect any one
of them. Oh my god. Next question. You see he
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wants to change the times because it's it's important. Yeah, well,
a lot of things use your voice, you know what, guys.
Because we've had time to have when the kids go
to bed, we have a we have time to actually
talk and watch TV. We saw an incredible documentary called
Unseen Enemy that I highly recommend, so you understand this
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verity of viruses when they attacked human beings. Do that.
I read the Jessica Simpson book. We also saw the
Taylor Swift documentary. We've been culture more than I ever had,
and I do want to do when this whole thing
is over, because right now it's not really relevant. But
I think when we come back after coronavirus Fiasco. Um,
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I would love to talk about that documentary from Taylor
Swift and Jessica Simpson and about pop culture and how
it affects these girls that start uh finding fame and
fortune at such a young age, and how it shapes
them and how it affects them. You know, it's it's
fascinating to me. And also I think within the business
of entertainment, the passion and the drive or sports or
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whatever like what these girls had and the willingness to
succeed at young ages young that's something they knew they wanted.
But we'll save that for another episode. In the meantime,
let's take a break. We have a couple of great
guests coming up and we can't wait to share them
with you. It's Janina from Love and Sight, a new
I Heart Deo podcast all about the TV show Love
(14:02):
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(14:24):
telling us things they have never revealed, and you get
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(14:51):
our first coronavirus episode, I know, and we're getting together
with a special guest, Dr Mashini. Yes, ring her on
here in a second. Let's get her own a gastro.
How do you say that? Gastro intrologists and an internist. Yes,
she is a contributor on the Today Show. She's an expert.
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I don't we have a couple of questions, correct, Eric Winter? Yes?
Dr Rashini, Hello, Hello, how are you all good? How
are you? I'm doing all right? Yeah? Are you in
the office? I doubt it. I am not at the moment,
but I am here in New York City, so definitely
in the things. Are you practicing the uh? What's this
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new medical strategy where everybody's able to call and have
video video? We are we are doing some of that. Yeah,
I work at N y U, and we've definitely implemented
very quickly a big scale up of the telemedicine. So
exactly as you said, he able did to call up
and have a video conference for matters that you know
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don't necessarily have to be seen in person. But what
I do is, um, a lot of colonoscopies and endoscopies
and things that can't really be done remotely. So uh, yeah,
it's an ever changing situation day by day, but as
of now, we're still seeing patients in the office as
well and trying to keep things, you know, under control
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as much as possible. Let me ask you something, and
this might be a random question, um, but the coronavirus,
we know that it stars um in the throat right,
people get uncomfortable. It seems like a flu. As a
gastro doctor, there's no indication that it might cause any
kind of stomach issue at all. At some point, if
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somebody gets it really bad, that's a great question, um.
And the answer is we are seeing for some cases
and it's not the majority, but there is a minority
of patients who went infected with coronavirus are getting some
gastro intestinal symptoms. So specifically, die area seems to be
the one that we are seeing in again, not the majority,
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but a minority of cases. So if and for some people,
that's actually the first symptom that they're having. So if
you're having kind of unexplained diarrhea and you know you're
having a fever, maybe following that definitely whereas a call
to your doctor and kind of moderator yourself even to
see if the other symptoms developed, which exactly as you said,
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the more common and prevalent symptoms are the cost, the
kind of respiratory issues, trouble breathing, throat discomfort, and of
course the fever. I have a couple of things. One
thing I think it's great having something like you on
the phone is we can help listeners with sort of
blocking out a lot of the nonsense that you see
on social media where people are saying if you do this,
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you can actually keep yourself from getting coronavirus. I've read
a few things where I mean, this was one big issue.
I think it was an I might be off. I
think it was Iran where a bunch of people were
drinking very strong alcohol and died because they thought they
were killing this virus and they there's like forty something
people had died taking this into their own hands. And
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I've also heard rumors of if you drink a lot
of water, which I find a lot of this to
be nonsense, and that's why I want you to you educate. Um,
if you drink a lot of water, you can reduce
your chances of getting coronavirus. I read one post because
if you happen to get the virus, and maybe I'm
laughing at something that actually works, but if you happen
to get the virus, and let's just say it goes
into your respiratory system, not respiratory because it'd be too far,
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but if it's in your mouth, it's in your throat,
and you drink water, you've now pushed it down into
your stomach, and your stomach acids will kill the virus.
That was literally a post I saw on Instagram. Does
that sound realistic to you? No, it doesn't. And yeah,
I'm really glad we're talking about all these things, because look,
we're all a little bit frightened and are kind of
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desperate to do anything we can to prevent us from
getting the infection. So I understand why people are kind
of searching for these home remedies or answers. But it's
I think it is very important to separate fact from fiction.
So UM, to address what you talked about, there haven't
been any, um, any proven foods or drinks or even
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supplements at this point that can really prevent you or
certainly treat this type of infection. Unfortunately, there haven't been great,
you know, proven treatments either in the medical world, although
it does look like some anti viral medicines, particularly ones
that have been used for HIV um in conjunction with
some of the flu anti virals that we use, maybe
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working for some people. And so that's actually um a
treatment that if you're hospitalized you may end up receiving
and looks like it could be promising. But uh no,
in terms of the home remedies, none of these things
will work, and certainly there are potential downsize to it.
As you mentioned, Drinking you know, copious amounts of alcohol
is definitely it's not going to do anything to the virus,
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but it is going to particicule you. You want to, yeah, exactly, UM,
But I would love to talk about, you know, some
of the things we can do to stay healthy, especially
as we are more people are at home and confined
to their home. Um, what they can kind of do
in their home to kind of minimize exposures to germs,
exposures to loved ones if they they're sick or they
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think they may be getting sick. So we can go
through that at some point whenever. Okay, good, well, I think, um,
I know here in New York, and I think in
many parts of the country, people are really being advised
to stay at home. A lot of people are working
from home, and even if you're sick, you know, at
this point, unfortunately, our hospitals are already overwhelmed and will
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be even more overwhelmed soon, I think. So it's not
like everyone with a cold or cough should be running
to the hospital right now. And part of it is
kind of taking care of what you can at home,
but at the same time not infecting the people around you.
And I'm not necessarily talking about corona coronavirus, but in general,
if you have a cold or a cough, you're not
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sure what it is yet, you haven't built a fever,
but you may be sick, or maybe you had a
coworker who was ultimately tested positive and you're just isolating
yourself until you have more information. Um, there's some things
I think we can do to stay UM healthy while
we're at home. So one of the things is if
you've decided to kind of quarantine yourself, um and you
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most many people live with other people, so it's it's
you can't just be alone all the time. You do
really want to isolate yourself if possible, to one room
and preferably your own bathroom as well. Again not always feasible,
but if you can confine yourself to your own bathroom,
your own bedroom, then you're minimizing the risk to other people.
And again if you're a kind of symptoms at all,
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any kind of symptoms right, so even right because even
if you have a cold, it may be the big
what looks like a cold, but it could be the
beginning of something else. So I think at this point
it's important to be careful, particularly if you live with
someone who's elderly or has a serious medical condition, because
we do know they're more susceptible. But when you do
go out to kitchen, because you will be doing that
at times, or you may be sharing a bathroom, one
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thing to keep in mind is that when you're disinfecting
these areas. UM, you really want to use a disinfectant
that has bleached, because we do know that bleach will
kill the virus. So any cleansing materials that are used
to clean the countertops of the bathroom counters as well
as the sink, bleach is a very necessary ingredient. You
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obviously want to use your own utensils. You don't want
to be sharing glasses plates. If you're using the common dishwasher,
that should be fine. The heat of the water um,
for that prolonged prey, it should kill the virus as well.
But in terms of your own personal items, you know
there are now companies that are coming out with some
pretty innovative products to help with this. But for example,
we all know, of course you would never share your toothbrush,
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but now there are these individual toothpaste tablets that Hello
Products just released where you can chew your own toothpaste tablet.
It's single use. UM, it's a way that you can
avoid cross contamination because you're not sharing a tooth these
too with someone else in the family, which is, you know,
these little things that you don't often think about that
you may be touching and sharing with someone else. Now
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you can use the hollow toothpaste tablet um. There are
also things you need to be mindful of in terms
of towels and how frequently you're washing your towels. These days,
we want to be washing them much more frequently than
usual in high heat temperatures. The way we store our sponges.
You know, I just talked about cleaning with high level
bleached disinfectant, But then if you just leave the sponge
around all day, that can be another reservoir for germs.
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So I recommend actually either throwing the sponge in the
dishwasher at night, or you can even microwave it. That's
another way to get rid of the germs. And then
the last thing is, yeah, the last thing is you know,
I I work out almost every day. I tried to
in the gym in my building, and that just closed yesterday,
much to my display, But I understand there's the reasoning
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behind it. We're trying to get people not to congregate,
and many gyms are closing, and I really feel during
a time like this, when stress is so high, exercise
is extremely important. And you know, we also know that
exercise helps with immunity. We were talking about those home
remedies that don't work. Some things that do work are
things like regular exercise. We know that booster immune system,
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so how do we keep exercising when the gyms are closed.
You might live in an area where it's too cold,
or you're you're worried about going outside because you're going
to exposing yourself. Well, now they're you know, companies that
allow you to stream fitness classes um where you can
just through your iPad or your iPhone feel like you're
experiencing the class in the fitness studio, but it's actually
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in the privacy and security of your own home. Jet
Sweat is a new company that's doing that. They're actually
offering a three month if you use Yeah, they have
a three month right now. Healthy Home is the cove
if you want to try it out. But a lot
of these companies are trying to help people, and you know,
really help people stay active and healthy and not go
crazy while they are stuck indoors but you m quarantine
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or whatever we're doing a lot of people are gonna
gain weight because listen, we we have two kids and
we work out a lot. You know, we're fairly healthy,
you know, and and and vibrant. But because they're going
to the supermarket has become such a trend now, and
it's like a like a like a buying frenzy, and
you buy so much stuff because everybody is freaking out
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that we might be inside a home for months at
a time. We bought so much stuff. And because we
have kids, you get a lot of the crackers and
the chips and things that are easy to grab and eat.
And I'm finding myself just snacking all the time, and
it's driving me crazy. It's like I'm trying to stay healthy,
and at the same time, I'm going, please people, let's
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just be be smart and not take this as a
free for all. Let's just eat and watch TV and
do nothing but that, you know. And I'm the same way.
I have two boys, and of course when we talk
about supplies, they want to get the chips and the house.
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I went to the grocery store for almost two hours,
and we got home and I said, I don't know
what we can cook. He brought two little bags and
for two bags, but everything I bought I had nothing
to do with making dinner that night. I had so
much food for the future. I couldn't make one thing
for dinner. I hear you, hear you. Frozen vegetables, frozen fruits.
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Don't forget that those are still good. And you know
you can even take fresh fruit and put it in
the freezer. So think about those. Even though we tend
to just quickly look at the chips and the dry foods, um,
we don't want to let all the healthy foods go
by the wayside, and we don't know how long this
is going to last, so really trying to stock up
on those. I do have one quick question for you,
just as a doctor, and I think this is great
for the listeners to here because even without if I
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didn't google it, I guess I don't know if I
would even have the answer. If you felt symptomatic of
any kind, right, what would be step A, B C.
It's not I know it's not to go to your
general doctor. And I know people they want people avoiding
the emergency room. So do you call your general doctor
and say these are my symptoms or is there like
a hotline you're supposed to call? What is the protocol? No, yeah,
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it's really not a hotline at this point. It's calling
a general doctor. Um, and it is you know, and
I would say, if you just have a regular cold
feels like every cold you've ever had. You're not having
a fever, so it's really more of the running nose
type symptoms. We are still in the midst of cold
and flu season, so I wouldn't assume that it's anything terrible,
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and I'm talking about it someone under stix the healthy person,
let's say, um, without major medical problems, that I would
kind of wait and see, you know, how things progress.
But it probably is just a regular cold and monitor it.
But if you are having a fever and a cold
or a fever at certainly the cough with any sign
of respiratory issues, before rushing anywhere, I would call your doctor.
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If you don't have a doctor that you regularly see,
then you you would call one of the medical centers,
and they are setting up urgent kind of care hotlines
that you can call and get advice for. But I
think the people that need to be really more concerned
and more proactive about seeking medical attention quickly are people
who have either traveled to some of the areas that
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we know it's it's very rampant in and so we're
time at China, Italy, Iran Um. You know it's in
South Korea, a lot of places in Europe unfortunately now Germany, France, Spain,
or if someone here in the US that you've had
contact with a coworker, um, that kind of thing. And
so if you've had contact or you've been traveling in
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one of those places and you developed symptoms, that would
be your reason to call student rather than later. One
last thing before we let you go. UM, real quick, Um,
so it resolved by these actors just came out. Um,
I said, don't see Ann saying I am positive but
I don't have any symptoms. Is it possible that you
are caring the virus but never the symptoms, never moneyfest
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or is it just a matter of time that he's
going to get a sore throat and he's going to
start coughing. No, it's very possible that you can carry
it with no symptoms and never get a symptom. What's
a little bit troubling about that is you can Number one,
if you have no symptoms, you may have a negative test.
So if for some reason you've got tested, let's say
you were exposed to someone else, but you didn't have symptoms.
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Even if you have the infection, if you didn't have
any symptoms, it's unlikely that the test will be positive.
And the second even we're troubling thing is you can
potentially pass it to someone else even if you don't
have symptoms. Now, the likelihood of that, even with a
negative test, right, the likelihood is less than if you
are having symptoms. So people with symptoms are much more
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likely to spread it to others. But it is possible
if you don't have symptoms to still spread it to others.
And that's why all of these what seem like pretty dramatic,
you know, rules are being employed of don't congregate in
group bigger than ten, you know, closing of schools. You know,
closing of schools is an interesting one because we keep
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saying children are not as affected and they're not Thank goodness,
As a mom, I'm very happy to hear that. But
this is exactly why. Because children may get it, not
be symptomatic um and not be ill from it, but
they can still pass it on to their parents, elderly grandparents,
people in the subway, people on the streets, And that's
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why these decisions are being made to really limit everyone's
interaction so that the asymptomatic that means people with no
symptoms aren't carrying it around and giving it to other people.
So it is fair to say, it is fair to
say that if the American population doesn't follow what the
government is government is asking us to do, it's it's
fair to say that the majority of Americans can get this. Yes,
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I think the latest figure I saw was an expectation
that fifty um at least of Americans will get this. Maybe,
but that's if we don't really adhere to these measures. Hopefully,
these kinds of measures that are being implemented now, and
as you know, they're getting stricter and stricter every day.
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Hopefully that will decrease that number. But it is still
a huge percentage of people that we're talking about. And
when you talk about the fact that you know, let's
say about people will get a mild disease and maybe
we'll get a medium and five percent will get a
very severe disease, high percent percent doesn't sound like a lot,
but then when you talk about five a fifty million people,
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that's way more than our hospital or a health system
can handle. So that's why we really need to do.
All of us, whether we're healthy or not. I mean
certainly if we're not healthy to be extremely careful, but
all of us need to just for the good of
our society, for health care system, need to really isolate
as much as we can, um, so that we you know,
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get this over with and done with. It will pass,
but you know, the sooner the better for everyone all concerned.
So we can all do our bya listening and staying
informed and also staying sane, doing the things we talked about.
Stay active, you know, do your fitness routine, you know,
do your germ control in your home and outside as well,
and we hope for the best. Well, thank you so
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much for your time. We appreciate it. Hopefully this will
be our listeners take a lot away from it was
very education. Well, thank you so much. Have a great day.
You're welcome you too, about you too. All right, we
have an amazing guess I can't wait to talk to
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Kit Yarrow, consumer psychologist, professional author, consultant, speaker. Kit. Are
you with us? I am kid, I have so many
questions and this this is these are crazy times, UM.
But in light of these crazy times, I want to
discuss some really outrageous consumer behavior and maybe you can
help me understand this my first question. What is the
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obsession with toilet paper during the coronavirus outbreak? You know? Yeah, No,
I think I got it figured out. So here's the thing.
The media is doing a a lot of reporting on
panic buying, and it's all exacerbated by all the social
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media that we consume. So people are looking for really
powerful visual images. And what's more powerful than a gigantic
shelf that's empty. The toilet papers big and bulky, it
takes up a lot of space. So the empty shelf
that toilet paper was once on is much more impactful
than the empty shelf where the tuna fish was. Right,
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that's a small space compared to a big space. And
what's more powerful of visual image of somebody carrying out
massive quantities of toilet paper or massive quantities of tuna
fish the toilet paper. So I think it's really the
way that we consume imagery today that toilet paper is
just bigger and so it makes more of an impact.
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So it's sort of ended up the poster child of
panic buying. Now, we're social creatures, and we, you know,
when we see other people do things, we think we
should do it too. So we see how this toilet
paper going and we think, oh, that would really be bad.
If I didn't have toilet paper, I'd better go out
and get mine. And I think that's what's happening. It's
so crazy. So many people can wipe their bump, but
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they can't even feed themselves, like they don't have enough
food that they're loaded on toilet paper. It's you know
what I just thought about. And I don't know if
this is I don't know why they just came into
my mind. So we are blessed here in America. This
is a democracy, and we can just go to any
store and buy whatever we want however we want it right.
And this is a perfect example. There's a pandemic. Everybody
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runs to the store and just spend your money and
just buy compulsively. What happens in a place this was
happening in Cuba, coronavirus in Cuba. It's a communism? Right?
How do they do because people cannot afford to go
to a store. Basically each family gets one role, Like,
isn't it said? What's starting to happen? I believe you, Craig,
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if I'm wrong. We're starting to see versions of it
now with sanitizer For example, I've gone to a couple
of stories. They said I can only sell you one,
and and I've had so many times. Cameras are watching
me right now, so I can sell you one. And
the cops just got involved with some guy, a couple
of guys I think they I read Less Night on
USA today. They bought like they cleared all the shelves
of sanitizer and then started selling it to make more money,
(35:32):
and the cops got involved, and now they had to
donate it all. Yeah, exactly right. I know. Well, some
people are panic buying and other people are just mercenary.
I think most people are resorting to panic buying. And
you know, we were used to a culture of abundance
and um the ability to get what we need when
we need it, depending on on whether or not we
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have the funds, and so it's shocking for people to
go into stores and see them empty. And that does
partially contribute to all of this panic buying that we
see going on. You know, some of it is very normal,
very rational behavior. We're going to be at home a
lot more, We're gonna be cooking our own meals. Clearly
we need things. We don't know how long we're going
(36:14):
to be home, and so it makes sense. We want
the coffee, the peanut butter. We want, you know, the
things that we can stock up on to make sure
that we can feed ourselves in our family. But then
some of it, like the toilet paper in particular, is
just sort of wicky. Is There's plenty of tissue boxes,
by the way, Like I was at the store and
you could buy as many boxes of Kleenex as you
(36:35):
could imagine, no one wanting. This is very interesting and
I don't know, um if we have an answer to it.
But Eric has been to the supermarket maybe three times, right,
because we keep thinking we don't have enough, we don't
have enough when we do, but you know, because we're panicked,
we keep compositively buying. And he says that is every
(36:56):
time I've gotten the fish wiped out, chicken wiped out,
veggie options for the most part wiped out, and beef
actually only ground beef I've seen mostly wiped out. A
lot of other beef I've still seen there. But the
pork section is in perfect shape. And three grocery stores
I've been to. Is there a reason why people are
not buying pork? Do they relate for I don't understand coronavirus.
(37:18):
I wonder it's it's so weird, isn't it. I've heard
that from other people too. I have no answer to
that question. And like this, of all times, if D
Day is coming, people are choosing now to avoid the
the quote unquote dirty meat, the pork. I don't get it.
There's just so many weird habits I think that come
out in times of crisis, that people they lose track
(37:39):
of their own way of just being. They don't they
aren't behave, They're behaving irrational in a time where I
understand everybody's under a lot of stress, but rational thinking
is what we all need to hold on to the
most right now. Yeah, it's true, but you can kind
of understand. And when we feel anxious, you know, we
want to get controlled. And since we can't control of
(38:00):
the virus, what we're trying to control is excuse me,
what we have and we're using shopping is a way
to feel more in control. Yeah, it's so crazy. We
have you heard of the documentary on CNN called Unseen Enemy?
I haven't so. Was the Last Night Erico that the
night before um Anderson Cooper and doctor I don't know
(38:23):
how to how to pronounce his name. Sanja, Yeah, Sanja. Yes.
Here that we're doing like a kind of like a
Facebook town hall about coronavirus. And at the end of
the to our thing, they showed this documentary call Unseen
Enemy UM that came out in two thousands, seventeen before coronavirus,
and they were talking about um pandemic and pandemics and
(38:47):
the zeka, chikun kuya, the ebola, the stars, you know,
all these incredible viruses that have basically shaped the world.
And they were saying, there was this lady, she was
a professor, and it was fascinating to me how she
was explaining in a very elemental way that climate change
and the constant industrial how do you say that, eric
(39:10):
industrially station industrialization. Yeah, that humans are creating it's destroying
the natural habitat of species. And I'm going to talk
specifically about bats because what happens is they are used
to living on top top of really really high um trees,
like tall trees, and because of climbing, change is so hot,
they're moving and they like to live inside caves and
(39:32):
because of human beings basically wiping out forests and rainforests
and caves. They're having to migrate and find other ways
of living, and they're going to tropical fruits and stuff
that human beings that we eat that are contaminated because
of their viruses. Right, So basically the climate change and
(39:53):
because of humans not taking care of this problem and
not taking it seriously, we're messing with other species, and
other species are messing with us by default. And that
and that's the explanation that this lady is it is
saying that a lot of these viruses come the animals,
and that's the reason why have you heard of that?
I don't even know if I'm making it given it
(40:14):
justice to the way that they explained it. I think
it makes sense. It's probably a partial explanation. But I
think the way that food is handled and managed is
also like a big part of this equation. Just generally
things we can control, which is cleanliness and how we
manage our food. That's a big part. When you see
a lot of any where you buy in a public
(40:36):
a market or even at a grocery store, of exactly
sharing of knives and things aren't being cleaned before cutting
one thing to the next, and you're just trashing bacteria
over and over and over. What is that advice as
an expert that you think? Um? Because you know, it's
crazy times. It's so sad because we have two kids,
and I'm looking at about our daughter is eight years
old and now the school is closed, so we are
(40:57):
starting the homeschooling UM thing. And and to them, because
they're innocent, and she's she's shocked. And to her is
amusing because oh, I'm home, I don't have to go
to school. I'm with mom and dad and my little
brother and what do we do? And they're having the
time of their lives because they're staying. They're standing pajamas
all day long. You know, to them is very amusing.
But I'm looking at her and I'm going, she has
no idea that this is life changing, that what's happening
(41:20):
is it's supernatural. Part you know, it's I want to
hear kids opinion on this, because part of me thinks
that's the beauty of children, that they're not as long
as you keep them safe. They they're so pure and
they're thinking that they're just enjoying life right now. They're
not stressed out and having this panic that a lot
of adults are having, and I think that's a beautiful
(41:41):
thing versus having to instill your panic on the kids.
What are your thoughts on that exactly? So I'm exactly
on board with that, and I think it's really important
for parents to do a couple of things. One is
to not transmit their anxiety and panic to their kids,
so to keep it private, to keep their conversations private,
to allow their kids to feel like everything's okay. And really,
(42:02):
the way that parents transmit anxiety is through their own
anxiety being displayed in front of their kids, even in
what they do, not just in what they say, but
how they look, how they act, whether or not they
have the usual level of patience and love. So to
be really really mindful of making sure that you protect
your kids from your own anxiety. And then secondly, I
(42:23):
think the thing that will make this as good as
possible is to provide as much structure as you can
in your kids lives. So they're used to, you know,
now we go here, and now we go there, and
then mom goes here, and then dad goes here, and
then we get you know, dinner, and you know, they're
used to like a pattern in a structure, and although
this is fun for now, ultimately it will feel unsettling.
(42:45):
And the sooner that everybody can kind of get sort
of a schedule together, like at nine o'clock we're doing this,
and then we're doing home work and then we're you know,
the better they'll feel. Kids actually really like in some
ways to be constrained. They like, you know, having structure
and boundaries put around them, and it's really important to
offer them that. I'm glad you're saying that. That's one
(43:08):
of our biggest differences, you know, Rosalind and I with
our kids is that I I'm very much of the mindset, Okay,
starting today, we're going to have there's gonna be a
math time, this is gonna be your art time, this
is gonna be your pe We're gonna do these little
things because the school is now providing lessons like the
you know, the things you're gonna do for each each
class that they would normally I know, but even I
(43:28):
would like to go as far as you know, before
it would be okay, pick your clothes out for tomorrow.
Roslin's like their kids let them stay in their pajamas,
and I'm thinking we got potentially a month of this,
and I'm thinking, yeah, or more. They're saying possibly even August.
Right in my mind, I'm thinking, Okay, Sabella, pick your
clothes out for the next day. You're gonna get up,
(43:49):
you're gonna get ready, you're gonna have breakfast, you're gonna
start school. Then you're gonna have your recess. Then you're
gonna have you know, lunch, and you're gonna have a
break to play with your brother. But I think the
more we can make it feel like the homeschool in
the better. Roslin's more lax in that part. What would
be a little bit kids kids, Oh my god, throw
(44:09):
me under the lax. But you tell me two days Eric,
she tells me all the time. You're way too crazy,
You're way too over strict with this stuff, planning how
I'm going to do this. Since something, kid, I'm gonna
tell you something. So our daughter plays tennis right four
times a week. These are like extraordinary circumstances. So it's
(44:30):
scheduled to rain at eleven am today in Los Angeles, California.
So Eric managed to squeeze one last tennis less one
a tennis. Yeah, but I'm going Eric coronavirus raining can
she stay home? She needs to continue playing tennis is
very important and I get it, and I appreciate that
you so hands on and wonderful, but I'm going, could
(44:53):
you gave her a little break? To hear you you
have a point, But you know, I think it's kind
of like two different things. I mean, one, you know,
helping your kids to achieve as much as they can, that's,
you know, one category. But you know, managing anxiety and
the you know, this period of uncertainty that's sort of
(45:15):
a different category. And I think it's fine that they
had a couple of days that were like we pajamas,
let's have you know whatever, but then ultimately, if it
stays that way, it will be disruptive to them. So
good they had a couple of days, But now, you know,
I totally agree that it's time to create some sort
of structure. They will ultimately be happier for the structure
(45:38):
and to kind of be able to anticipate what's going
to happen in their day. And kids are big learners,
you know, they love, love, love to learn, and you
want them to maintain that you know, juicy joy of learning.
So you know, giving them opportunities to learn new things
is really important too at that age. We agree. You
(45:58):
just helped us avoid a disagreement later, so that's great,
and we solve the toylet paper mystery. So thank you
so much for so much. I have a great day.
Bye bye bye, Thank you, Eric. Thank you for point
(46:18):
not your zero points. You know, a ladies, all the
single ladies, not all the merry ladies. Rude. That was rude.
When you do a single married ladies, No, because the
song is single and I'm actually married. So I had
to listen to me. You didn't win anything. You made
me look like ridiculous in front of kids. I'm calling,
what's happening? No? You didn't? You know you do. It's like,
(46:41):
do you think I'm going to want Sabella and Dylan
to do whatever they want for a whole month? Of
course not. I love structure and organization. You know, guys,
you know you know what's happened to me. I have
realized that I don't want to be a housewife. Shout
out the housewives. I love my housewives, but I'm used
to working. And it's been three days of of me
(47:02):
cleaning and doing laundry, and because I'm obsessive with cleanness, right,
all I do, all I've done is laundry, cleaning, swift
for deal with the dogs, deal with the kids, um, cooking, organizing,
doing dishes. It's a gaza and stressing out constantly. Guys,
what are we gonna do? Eric, What are we gonna
(47:23):
do with the coronavirus? What I've been telling you, Just
we abide by the rules, stay calm, and it's not
a laughing matter. But I feel like there has to
be levity in the situation. We have to be able
to look at each other, still, share laughter, enjoy time
with each other. And as long as we're doing everything
(47:43):
we can do, our consciousness is clean. And you just
have to go about life and be supportive of one another. Yes,
you know, laugh more, sleep more. It is a social
responsibility people for also be able to get rid of
rid of this and to win. We are going to
collectively become one. Stay home, wash your hands and exercise,
(48:07):
exercise healthy, good, have structure and let's read it out.
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