August 22, 2025 • 41 mins
With a body of work that spans decades, and shows like "24" and "Riverdale" under her belt, Marisol Nichols is currently facing the biggest challenge of her career.
Doing everything she can to stop human trafficking, even when that means going undercover with law enforcement to catch underground criminal organizations.
She joins Ros and Eric for an eye-opening conversation about what's really happening around the world, and how she got involved.
Marisol is exposing the dark world of sex trafficking, and warning parents about the dangers that lurk in neighborhoods everywhere. Her true crime stories will scare you, but her passion for advocacy will inspire you. To learn more about her 'Slavery Free World' foundation, visit MarisolNichols.com.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is he said a yadiho with Eric Winter and
Rodlin Fantas.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, welcome back to that episode that he said, Ado,
thank you to all our loyal listeners.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Mean so much to us.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We were semi on time, semi uogle get into that
after the fact, guys, it was it was.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Okay, it's been a.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Little crazy, but here I am so happy to be
with you all. So gwenta gwenta.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Eric all we have an incredible guest right now that's
going to join us. She is ready to rock. Marisolt
and Nichols.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You know, you know Marisol.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm sure throughout the years I may have had a
pleasure of working with her on Good Christian GCB for ABC.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
She I don't know if she knows this, but you know,
she started one of my favorite shows of all time,
and I was a bit starstruck when I saw her
because I love twenty four and you know that I've
been able to work with two twenty four actors and
dB Woodside. But she has a whole other mission that
she's been taking on, dealing with bringing down sex trafficking,
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child trafficking, human trafficking just in general. It's incredible. So
her mission, I can't wait to talk to her about
it and what she's been doing.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yes, she's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Thank you for being on the podcast with us. I
know you have so much going on.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
My pleasure high.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's so great to chat with you.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It was funny I was saying to Roz before we
came on that you know, you and I worked together
obviously on GCB ages ago, but I didn't even I
don't even know if Roz knew this, but two one
of my favorite shows of all time.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I don't know if I.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Ever told you this when we worked together, but was
twenty four and I was able to work with you
and dB Woodside and funny enough, like starstruck with both
because I was obsessed. I mean, I had the CTU
ring tone that was my phone. Oh yeah, du dude,
every time I phone ran.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I was that diehard of a twenty four fan. So
being able to work with you on GCP was a
real pleasure.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And you're You're amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
You've had such a decorated career doing so much. Let's
talk about before we talk about what you've been up
to now. Which I can't wait to dive into as well.
And I know we both are just talk a little
bit about your journey in acting. Did you always want
to be an actress?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
No, not in the least. I didn't know what I
wanted to do. I was like that I wish because
I would have started way earlier and gotten a lot
more experienced way earlier. No, I was that kid in
junior high high school had a lot of issues going on.
So I was the girl like in the smoking lounge.
(02:41):
I was the girl that was ditching class like so
much that I got kicked out of high school.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Oh wow, really, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I was that girl.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Like we're going to talk more about this.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I as so like pristine and just beautiful and so
put together on like so level headed. I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Thank you. That's how I think of you. You're gorgeous.
It's amazing. And I still can't believe you and I've
never worked together.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
That's crazy, you know, because I don't think when we've
known each other for so long, I'm assuming we go
off for a lot of things, but we have never
actually been on set together.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
No, never, that's crazy. One day We're cross paths, for sure, yes,
I hope.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So, so you were the problem child. I want to
die back guys.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Problem child. I had to go to night school and
summer school and all of these things just to graduate
high school on time. So by the time I got
you know, there was no thought of going to like
before year college. I was never going to get into that.
So I went to like a junior two year college
to try and figure it out.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Okay, that's where.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I as an accident audition for play. I was dating
like this big punk rock dude, like singer, punk rock
band and everything in Chicago for like three years, four years,
and so when we broke up, it was like, oh God,
I have no identity outside of this, outside of this
guy and outside of this group. And so I just
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auditioned on a whim to be an extra in a
View from the Bridge, and then I ended up getting
the lead. I ended up getting Catherine and then fell
in love with it, and then they asked me to
join their like theater it's almost like a speech theater
competition team, and they colleges all of the United States,
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and so I joined their team and in three months
I was the national champion.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So I was like, oh, my god, I think I
know what I want to do. So it was a
complete accident. It was a complete accident.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And where was this? Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Chicago?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
In Chicago? That is wild?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So when did you move to Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Though? I ended up getting I ended up getting a
job out here. I got flown out for a series
that I auditioned for from Chicago. They flew me out.
We went to pilot shot the pilot, I went home
and then I got a all going, okay, it's picked up,
pack your bags and let's move to La. So I
moved to La at what.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Age was that? That was twenty three, still very young.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That was a TV show called My Guys that was
like right off. It was originally with Lorraine Brocco, which
I was like super fan girl over because you know,
and then she got replaced with a guy named Michael Rispoli. Yeah,
still works. And we did six episodes, you know, and
I thought, I was like, I'm a superstar.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I did my I did Ryan Caffield year one. You
remember that. I did the show for Fox and Michael
Respoli was one of the cops. Yes, that's someone like
the rookie. Yeah, it was six guys. It was a
Palermo and then it was six guys and I was
the female couple with responding. He was very nice guy, very.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Nice, great great yep, small world. I know.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So when you got that and then that got canceled
after six episodes, which we've talked about many times on
the Podcas asked us how volatile this business is and
you think like boom, I've got it, I've made it,
and then all of a sudden it's gone, Yep, what
was that next thing or what was the thing that
you that took you to another level from just you
know one, you know, one job after another, and then
all of a sudden, boom, it was like you're on
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everybody's right.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I like that you think I'm at that level. So
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
There for sure, there's a level that we all know,
whatever point in that journey where it's like it's not
just you know you, all of a sudden people are
aware of you.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah. I was auditioning for Vegas Vacation, which is the
Chevy Chase Vacation movies, and they made me audition for
three months, and for three months I was like, I'm
never going to get this, Like Audrey Griswold is the
whitest girl in America. Like it's all American, white girl
representing the American family. And I was like this little
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Latina kidnemed Marisol from Chicago, and I ended up I
ended up getting it. And so it was when I
got Vegas vacation and I went to Vegas to do
that film. It's first time I ever been on film
that like ever it was that was like, oh, okay,
maybe maybe you know, I'm gonna make a living out
of this, Like maybe this could be good.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So I would say it was that, Yeah, to the
next level. That's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
So how many series have you done? How many total?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
A lot?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Right, You've been a part of how many.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Eight or nine?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And movies, oh like thirty thirty. So it's a pretty
extensive career through many, many many years now. And then
nobody knows this because you know, a lot of people
know your name and they know your face, and you've
been working consistently. I'm very solid throughout all these years.
But you do something that I actually find it a
hundred times more valuable than and important and anything we
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do in anything that we do, you know, like to
be honest for sure, When did you have this initiative
or thought that you wanted just to do something that
was truly, truly meaningful.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I was This was back in twenty twelve and my
former mother in law was traveling all over the world
and she was educating people on human rights and my
daughter was like four or something, and she would come
back and she would start telling me horrific stories of
like child trafficking and child brothels, which I didn't even
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know that existed, and these horror stories, and I was like, what,
how is this? How is what do you mean? Like,
what do you mean there's something called child sex trade?
Like it doesn't exist? Those sentences, those words should not
even be in a sentence. And to be totally blunt,
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I just I couldn't sleep. I just it would haunt me,
and I couldn't go to the park without looking at
little kids and going how how you know? And then
she would tell me that it was also in the
United States, and I was like, so my choice was
to either be completely overwhelm and horrified and have nightmares
(09:02):
and ignore, which I could not do, or Okay, well,
then let me figure out what I can do. And
the only way I knew to figure out what I
could do was to find out as much as I
possibly could about the entire issue and then see where
I could fit in. And that's what I did, and
I ended up meeting you know, I went to the
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White House. I went I met with every State center.
I met with Department Homeland Security, I met with the
State Department, the DEA's office. I met with everybody, NGO's
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the hotof the
Human Draviting Hotline, I mean, everybody, to learn as much
as I could. And then, funnily enough, I was promoting
GCB a lot at the time, and I got invited
(09:47):
to you know these like you know, you get invited
to one of these red carpets for a charity, but
you don't really know what it is, right, and your
publicist gives you a cheat sheet so that you memorize
the stats or whatever it is you're supposed to say
so that when you get on the red carpet, Access
Hollywood is like what brings you out to support you know,
X Y and Z, And you go, well, x Y
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and Z has thirty thousand missing x Y and Z's
and what looks like we know what we're talking about,
and it looks like you know, we're we're in support,
which we are, but it's not like, you know, we
just learned about it.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You're not in it. You're just regurgitating information.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well I was doing that and regurgitating information on like
backpacks for children while I was like meeting with survivors
like child sex trade survivors, wow, and meeting with like,
you know, the worst things of the worst. And I
was like, Okay, you know what, that's it I'm going
to do. I'm going to do a red carpet and
(10:44):
I'm gonna I use Eva's restaurant Baso, and I'm going
to invite the Associated press and access Hollywood and entertainment tonight,
and I'm going to have all my friends in the
business come walk the red carpet. They can be the
ones to spit out the statistics, and I'll get international
coverage on it. And then what I did was I
disguised it as an award show so that I could
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have an excuse for the certain people that I had
met along the way in this issue to come and
talk about it. And so then they came and would
brief the audience on like what it was that they
did and why I was awarding them, and then like
you know, Kelly Preston would give an award, or Kristin
Chenowith came and sang, and it was but by default
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everyone now knew about this. It was my and it
still is my core belief that the only reason this
is allowed to occur is that the good people and
the right people don't know about it, and they don't
know it exists, and they don't know it exists in America,
and they don't know exist in their backyard and in
their town. They have no idea.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
You know what's interesting. I did a movie years ago, Traffic,
with Dean Taylor directing, and he was about human trafficking
with Paula Patten, and I remember that I read it
and I was like, this is intense, and I swear
to you, Marisol, I thought that it was super augmented,
and so this is just for Hollywood purposes, and we're
going to push the envelope by making it as fantastical
or fantastical in a negative like we're gonna just do
(12:13):
like something like ridiculous. But it was hard. It was
hard film. And then I Chook several meetings before we
started shooting, and I asked director flat out and I'm going, listen,
this feels like a little too much, you know what
I mean? You want inside this cave And I'm like,
you know, and they kidnapped me and they beat the
heck out of me and then Paula Potton comes in
and saves the day.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I was like, I'm a little bit confused. I'm like,
do we have to go that far? And he's like, no, no, no, no, no.
Everything you're understanding this is all real life. This is
exactly like you. He's been doing research for many, many
years before writing the material, and he goes, this is nothing.
If I sit down with you and I tell you stories,
you're gonna die. And I'm going, so, you're telling me
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that everything that you're depicting in this movie has happened
before and it's based on something that is real, and
he's like, a hundred percent. I was floored.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yep, yep, it's down usually exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
But I learned difficult to understand.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You ever worked with Julia Ormond in this space?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
No, but I heard that she supports some my own nonprofit.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
She's very active in this space as well, and we
did a show together, and we had all been a
part of charity efforts that she was making as well.
And I remember remember her name was Randy, and I
can't think of Randy's last name, but she was a
victim and.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
For since childhood.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And it was mind blowing, Like you said, none of it,
it doesn't even feel like it could be possible to
the extent of what you learn. And then you started
your own nonprofit foundation for a Slavery Free World, and
that came after this event that you did at Base
as you were building up.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
So I started doing these events and I needed a
keynote speaker, and also I kept doing all these meetings
and doing these meetings, and finally I was like, the
only reason I started the problem in the first place
was just so I can open more doors. So it
wasn't just oh, I'm an actress with the folks, you know,
I was trying to be a spokesperson. Or it was
like no, no, no, like let's keep going, Like what else
can I do? I have all these relationships I have,
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Like what else can I do? So then I formed
the nonprofit honestly to just open more doors in DC,
and then I needed a keynote speaker, and someone introduced
me to this former CIA officer who did nothing but
rescue children and do undercover ops and undercover s things everywhere,
and I was like, where the hell have you been.
You're the guy I was looking for. And so he
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came and spoke, and the Attorney General came and spoke,
and then he started taking me on ops, going do
you want to see you? And I'm like yeah, And
then one day he was like, do you want to
go on.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
A cover Yeah, get to so you did that, you
went all in.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And he was like yeah, nah, and so he just
kind of threw me into it and I've you know,
like literally threw me into it. Okay, we were we
just went a haiti, and now you're the girl who
sets up the sex parties that we're traveling for. And
here's an undercover camera and here's an undercover recording equipment. Okay, ready, okay,
and this is what we want to do. And our
objective is to get this guy to tell us where
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the next one is so that we can follow him
to the next one. All right, you're ready, you good,
let's go.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
And and you're passing as a what you're You're the
one organizing it, like clothing as the girl, like.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Vaccine, maxine, vaccine, just laying ex like her, like you
were the ringleader bringing in the girls.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah. So, and since then, I'm you know, I've done
this for over a decade and I've worked with different
long for it. I mean, I just I should actually
show you if I I remember, I'll grab my badge
because I just got deputized as a sheriff.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But so I've been doing this on and off for
a decade, and I play different roles and sometimes I
played the victims. Sometimes I play the trafficker.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Sometimes my god, I'm my result. That's in That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But I just I fell into it. I just fell
into it.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Has it been like a close call at some point?
I'm assuming you're fully protected, so they are like all
all hands on deck, and that if somebody choice would
be as smart as they do, you have a lot
of protection, right they will basically the fuse the situation immediately.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I mean, it depends on the situation. If I'm working
with the police, it's the easiest thing in the world.
It's the easiest thing in the world. We have vests.
We have guys in the next room with tons, tons
of firepower, Like that's no big deal. If I'm working there,
it's it's really safe and super easy, and I'm really
not worried. When I'm working abroad, it's a different story.
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You're talking about third world countries. You're talking about you.
You're talking about safe houses, Like we have a safe
house and we have backup, but they're not with us there.
We can run to the safe house. We don't have
recording equipment on, we don't have cameras with us, we
have nothing. We're relying on us convincing who we're talking
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to that we are who we say we are. But no,
it's it's I'm terrified.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Do you have to change the way you look? Yeah, peo,
who can't identify.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You as pigs? And contacts and accents and different ways
of holding my body and costume, I mean everything that
you would think you would have to do, especially you know,
especially when Riverdale hit. I was like, oh God, how much.
And I'll tell you on one close call that we
had in the Dominican Republic, we had just finished five
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ops in four days. We'd been in the that was
that's the worst one I've ever done. Was the was
the dr It was the worst because it was the
most dangerous, it was the most scary. I was really
messed up about it for a couple of weeks until
we got the girls out and then I cried. Then
I was like, okay, it's worth it that I was good.
But the last day I took off my disguise and
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we're me and the all the guys that I'm working with.
We're all eating at a restaurant before we have to
leave and down the plane the next morning. In one
of the waitresses, it was like, it's the Dale and
I shit my pains.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Why so why did you say?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
No?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Absolutely no, no, you wrote that malet that think you
will whether.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
You say to the guys, and they just played along
like yeah, yeah, you want a picture, like pretended like
it was no big deal that I was there. Okay,
but it's it's my that was my always But I
have such a disguise, like you won't recognize me. Guys
that I work with like on a regular basis, were like,
what are we going to do it all?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
This is so fascinated, Like my mind is blown. It's like,
oh my God, marisoul.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
When you're going to the DR for example, who are
you with? What's the government body that is? It's military.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, So the guys that I'm traveling with ore ex
military x FBI X whatever they are. Some of them
are active duty, but most of the time they're ex
x military guys with a DR. They don't really have
a police force. They have a military that's headed up
by a female colonel. By the way, he's badass. And
so she was the one who asked us to come
because a lot of these guys, first well, they don't
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have funds in third world countries to do these kinds
of operations. And then secondly they really smart areas they
only let Americans in, so they don't let anybody local
in because the profile for who travels to these places
to do this are Americans, wow, for the main customers.
So that's also why so we were working with the
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colonel working with the military, who would hang back. We
would go and do all the basically gathering all the intel.
How many girls, what's their ages, what's the entrances, what's
the exits? Who are the guys verify that these three
traffickers that they think are there are the guys that
are there like and then give them all and turn
it over to them to do their own to now
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follow up and do their own thing. So, but it's
usually it's usually military. Sometimes it's local police. This is
when it's abroad. When it's America, that's very easy. It's
sheriff's office or the vice squad or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
The local departments wherever you Yeah, that's that's super easy.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And if you're traveling with military, they like you said,
they can be active, not active, but it's a department
within the military or everybody's volunteering there.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Really it's a volunteer.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, I think they made I never.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Got paid, I mean, but there's no like department of
the government that's orchestrating the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
It's literally all volunteers.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
The ones that I've done there obviously is like the
FBI something call Operation Cross Country or once a year
they go state to state, the state state to do
rescue operations. And then i CAAC, which is the Internet
Crimes against Children, they do local operations in the United States,
and then there's an international branch of them that does
that internationally. But these aren't the guys that I was
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working with and.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I'm assuming it's not common for them to accept like
a regular person. Listen, you're somebody that has absolutely no
training when it comes to law enforcement. You don't know
anything about anything. You just have a passion or a
compassion for this kind of situation. Can you just call
the FBI saying listen, I want you to use me.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I wanted to, like because I felt a lot more
protected if I was actually working with the official FBI.
But no, they're they're they're taking my word for it.
They're taking the guys are vouching for me.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
So anybody can have can call them saying listen, I
want to be a volunteer and I want you to
use me.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, again, this is not a these are none of
these are official FBI or official government bodies. These are
those foreign governments sanctioned, not our government sanctioned.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, what you're doing is a bit of like it's
a rogue operations. You're working with people that have experience,
have training there. It's almost, uh, in a lack of
a better word, I guess it's like like an online
sleuth getting involved in a murder mystery. Right, you have
a people that are like, look, we've heard about this trafficking.
We've done all this work. We figured out that X, Y,
and Z is probably here. Let's put our task force together.
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We're all experienced.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Guys that I work with. Have you know, they have
statistics in this area, they're for doing this. So and
what I bring is I don't look like a cop
like the guys that I'm with, Like, you know they're wrong,
you know, spot them a mile away if you're But
I don't look like a cop in the least. And
so I I disarm the guys we're with, and I'm
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you know, real charming, and I use a different, you know,
different whole thing, and I'm all nasty and disgusting and
whatever whatever the thing is called for that I'm supposed
to be convincing them. But to answer your earlier question
with like the police, like the first time I did
it with the vice squad in outside of Sacramento in
Yuba City, they were like, the hell is get this
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actress out of here, like why are you even and
they're you know, they're rolling their eyes, and they were
like saying, so, we're gonna take you through a little
hostage training. We're gonna take you through you know, through
some stuff, and and then at the end of it,
we got so many, so many, so many like this
because I can I'm on the phone, I'm either talking
like a little girl, because you know, we're actresses. We
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can change our voices, we can do things. And so
it got like ten times the normal amount of guys
that we would get showing up.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Wow with your altered voice.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
This is you know, this is in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,
twenty fourteen. There's no there's no AI. Yeah, so them
talking to a kid, what they think is a kid.
They're showing up in drobes to show up, and so
we could just take them down and take them down
and take them down, and so then afterwards it's like
I earned my earned my stripe.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Wow have you gone through?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Like what is it like for you? It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I bring this up because we watched this documentary on
The Manhunt Osama bin Laden about the Seal team going
in and this one seal He's like, look, I'm I'm
saying by to my my family, saying by to my kid.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I may never see him again.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I know I'm going in on this life or death
mission and Obviously it's his job.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
He's part of the military, he's a Navy Seal.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You're volunteering. But every time you put yourself in this position,
it's high risk. I mean, that's the bottom line. Do
you have to compartmentalize like the Navy seals?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Sort of? I mean, obviously you have to compartmentalize in
many ways.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But I mean when you leave, like this Navy seal describe,
he's like my family's out of it. They're gone from
his mind or else. He can't do his job with
the fullest attention. Is that what you go through?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I mean, I think these guys have better training and
I do. It's you know, especially like it's it's nearly
impossible for me to look at another girl or a
young girl and not flash to my own For sure,
I imagine it. Like I said, it messes. It messes
with you, depending on the country that I'm in, the
(24:46):
degree of the op like the one in the that
I did. I wrote a letter to my daughter in
case something happened to me, and I knew that there
was a chance, and I gave it to one of
my dear friends, and I was like, look, if I
don't just give this to give this terrain, and I
really had to think, like do I really want to
do this? But my thought was, if this ever happens
(25:07):
to my kid, I would want whoever could help that
they wouldn't hesitate and they would do whatever they could
get my kid back. And that was why I said yes,
you know, It's why I said yes. And then depending
(25:28):
on the Dane, you know, I haven't said no, but
I now my daughter understands what it is that I do,
and so she's kind of begged me not to do
anything really really dangerous imagin and like the last one
that I just did, like six weeks ago, we did
it some ops in Michigan, and that was She's liked,
(25:49):
you tell me you can work on it. I'm like, honey,
this is the like, these are not dangerous when you've
got the cops in the same room as you. It's
not that I don't think it is. I'm sure someone
else would, but when you've done things that are way
way further you're like, he's a gig, like are you playing?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
They're still danger no matter how you dice it, because
you just don't know what that person in the room
could do in an instant, right you never know, but
it's not to your point probably the level of what
you experienced.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
The deal.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
How old is your daughter now?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Sixteen?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Sixteen? Okay, she's so young? Wow? And how common is
it marisoul for like, listen, we have a daughter. She's thirteen,
you know, and now you're dealing with a teenager. We
are as well. She's entering those teenage years once you
start going to like they go to college and they
go out and about, you know, and they're at a
dorm and you don't really know. You know, they can
tell your mom, I just gotta go to the movies
(26:35):
and then but they're at a different state and you
don't really know what's going on. Is it that common
that they that this no more? Girls would be at
at a lounge, at a club, at a party or whatever,
and somebody comes in puts a little bit of something
inside the drink and they disappear. Is that something that
we only see in movies? Or do you think that's
very common?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
The white van that you think of is now the Internet. Okay,
change the way, fan, So it's more common that your
daughter is being caught Like I don't want to say
your daughter because I don't want.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Free foom online, through social media, through discord, through even meta,
through any place where they can contact your kid DM
fake profiles.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
And they plan something meet me somewhere, and that's that's
the catch.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
That's the common. Convince them to sneak out, Convince them
to meet up somewhere. Convince oh, my parents are going
to pick you up. Let's just seek out for a
little while, meet me here, or pretending to be a
little you know, a fifteen year old boy or fifteen
year old group and now with a I forget about it.
They've got a hold, they've got all of it, and
(27:42):
that's the more common common. Then when they get older,
it's more scams. It's more yes, at a club, you
better cover your freaking drink one like one hundred percent.
And that's why there's all these like there's new inventions
coming out to detect act drugs in your drink because
(28:02):
it's that common. If there wasn't a marketplace for it,
that wouldn't happen. It's more like, oh, they asked me
to be a model, or I got invited to this
modeling agency that they want to meet me, and you're
it's different.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
And the ones that are taking here. I'm assuming they
don't keep them within the states, they just fly them
somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, it's state to state to state to state, and
how happen in each date.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
But how can these girls and they're completely uncommunicated. There's
no way for her or the girl or the boy
to call anybody, to talk to anybody. I mean, is
it that bother? They could be years they're gone and
there's no way for them to get out.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So in the beginning, Now, in the beginning, they are
I mean the rate multiple times, they're beaten multiple times
so that they're broken, so that they will listen, so
that the trafficker or the pimp doesn't have to keep
them under lock and key. They know if they even
(29:05):
try to run, if they even try to talk to someone,
the same thing's gonna happen again. And they're watched. So
the girls that you see out on the street are there,
but they're controlled by the guy that you don't see
that's down the street.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I can't think it.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
And that's you know, And it depends on the type
of trafficking. If they're young, they're a high high, high commodity.
So if their trafficker will hold them in a hotel room,
and how guys come to them so that they're not
even visible. And then there's these trafficking literally called highways
(29:45):
and byways, and they're gone from truck stops to hotel
rooms to motel rooms. But it used to be that
they'd be gone to another country, and that does happen.
But the majority, like the United States is a sex
tourism destination country. We are high on that list. It
used just to be places like Thailand and Cambodia. You've
(30:07):
got the United States up there, so there's no need.
Why would you risk sending overseas when you've got the cut,
You've got the supply and the demand right here. You
got the customers right here.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
How much did they pay? Like a regular guy that
go goes to a motel to have sex with a minor,
how much is it paying.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
It depends if that miner is a virgin, my god.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
So it's literally just becomes like a straight up.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah because a kid, though, I mean, this is so bad.
I don't want people to turn off like I want listening,
so I try to always keep it like less. But
put it to you this way. That's the high commodity.
That's the target is the younger the better, especially twelve, thirteen, fourteen.
That's hot. That's like, ooo, that's the greatest thing.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
To So while there's I mean, this doesn't suffer, at
the bottom line is that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
They just want They cannot be drugged. It just depends.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, they just want high commodity.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Like she said over and over and over again. It's
multiple times a day. It's not just I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
We just saw this.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Have you seen this documentary on Netflix, The Amy Bradley No.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I haven't seen it. I've seen it. Amy Bradley is Missing,
but I haven't watched it.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
You have to see it. It's it's really it's really interesting.
She's already she's an adult. I mean, it happened when
she was twenty two years old. She's in her forties probably,
and the parents believe that she was taking out of
the cruise ship, you know, somebody told her to meet
me here. And it is insane the theories and what
the parents to this day, they're holding onto this thought
(31:43):
and an idea that they will see her again, and it's.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Crazy and kind to the point you brought up about
the way that their abuse entreated to make them afraid
to ever do anything.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
It's like there was a tourist that swears saw her
probably where it was going.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Out of the back tomatoes like that, and there were
people outside the bathroom saying, you go in, dude, you
got da da da da. And the lady saw that
and heard it, and the girl was crying in the
bathroom and she's like you okay, and she gave her
like a mean look, like don't talk to me. And
then the people outside were staring at the lady as
she was exiting in the bathroom, and she told her husband, like,
something's not right.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
And you know what's interesting, and it's said, I understand
as a human being, you never know how you're going
to react to something that is like is it hunts?
Is it for real? Am I seeing this correctly? But
this happened many years ago on to this day. The
lady says, it haunts me because I just go what
if I would have done something? But I didn't know?
Is she in distress? Is she acting out? But like
I didn't know. And I think the message here is
(32:40):
if you see something that your God tells you that
girl is not acting or that boy there's something going on,
ye just call the cops. Just call somebody.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Saying, especially especially I would say in the US, because
I can understand a tourist freaking out. Yeah, I Barbados,
going I don't even know how to contact the cops.
I don't even know if the cops are going to
be in on this, they even gonna believe me. I'm
just some tourists from the US, Like I could see
there being a lot of things going through their mind
of fear, like not even knowing how to react. But
if you're in the US, you know, nine times out
(33:11):
of ten, you're not going to have a corrupt police situation.
You just literally call the cops, follow some whatever you
gotta do. Take a license plate.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, better to call anyway, even if the cops are
because there's a record of it. Yeah, correct, you know,
And then you call the embassy. It's American embassy. This
is an American citizen, this is the foreign country. Where's
the passport done?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Fine?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
This the symbol And I'm sure you know the there's
a symbol. Now that they're like, it's all over social
media that they tell you somehow you need help, you know,
I think is this or something like that. I think
you go like this, Yeah, you go, let you go
like that is that campaign? Is it? Is it effective?
Is it proven that that is why helping a lot
of people.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I've heard of it. I've definitely heard and I've heard
of it working, Okay of the distress signal, right, yes,
and I heard of cases where girls were rescued from there. Right.
There's so, I mean, there's a lot of campaigns. There's
the Human Trafficking Hotline, the Homeland Security is the blue campaign.
You know, like when you go to when you go
to the airport and you go to the bathrooms and
(34:13):
you see those posters on the inside of the bathroom
that says, if you're in help human trafficking, let us know.
Those on buses, those are on billboards, those are at
truck stations. There's all of these things because you're trying
to reach the victim who doesn't have any way of
communicating except for that. There's an organization called Airline Ambassadors
(34:37):
that trains all FAA personnel on what to look for
because a lot of times these girls are trafficked on
commercial flights. Kids are traffic and commercial flights right out
on the open.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
So you could be seeting next to one that he's
been trafficked. Then you have an idea, you.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Have no idea. So there's things to look for that
they're trained to look for. This is a lot, Eric,
but it is a lot my God to give people
something to do, because that's my main thing is like
what can you do?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
How do you decompress when you go to these operations?
Like how do you go back to do.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
This full time? I do this once in a while.
My last week was six weeks ago. Prior to that,
I think it was a year before I went out. Okay, okay, okay,
I can't do this all the time. Yeah, I'm not trained.
I'm not I'm an actor. I'm still trying to make
a living as an actor, of course, you know. So
there's there's all of that. My hat's offer to the
(35:37):
law enforcement and to the agents that are working on this,
and this is their job. This is what they do,
the guys that go deep undercover for months.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I have the last question for you might so just
for people so they learn, you know, because there's so
many misconceptions when you think about human trafficking, you think, oh,
it's just a drunker turils. It's just all these like
low life organizations of like, you know, the reality is
there there are a lot of organizations that deal with
human trafficking that they're like white collar, like how you
(36:07):
got a white collar or blue white collar right like.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
High end look at Jeffreys, people.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Highly educated that actually direct in this whole operation.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
A lot of it is gang related. It is cartels,
like I don't like Mexico like you got the cartels,
you've got MS thirteen gang members, you've got organized crime
doing this. Most of in my experience, the white guys
are the customers. Okay, they're the customers. Now, of course
(36:41):
you've got the Jeffrey Epstein's and yes, this goes all
the way, all the way, but I'm I don't touch that.
I don't touch that because I don't have any evidence,
concrete evidence, haven't seen it for myself, So I don't
talk about that stuff about what I've seen for myself,
what I've experienced myself, what I've seen with my own eyes. Yeah,
(37:02):
that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, this has been, you know, eye opening, beyond belief,
even though what we thought we knew, this has been
incredibly educational and thank you for sharing your experience with us.
For the listeners where can they get more information on
how to help your organization, on just everything they can
do if they want to dive in, what can you share?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Okay? So I have a podcast. It's called the Marason
Nichols Podcast. To keep it very simple, and I've had
it for three years and I have all the guys
not only that I go undercover with on there, but
I've got experts in every single side of this, whether
the head of Global safety for Meta, Instagram, Facebook, all
of that has been on our podcast. Twice. We've had
(37:41):
Meta on. I've got the head of the National Center
for Missing and Exploited Children on, I've got former law
enforcement on current law enforcement on so to learn everything
including from a parent down to a teenager to a
twenty year old. All everything is on there. So I
just say go to the Marisol Nichols Podcast. My website
also as Information Slavery Freeworld dot org and we'll accept
(38:05):
donations there. So please to allow us to continue to
do this work the podcast and support getting the information
out because my goal is to just reach individuals before
this ever happens to them, so this you never have
to experience this, and they know what to look for
and they can protect themselves.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You know you're doing an incredible thing, Marisol. This is
this is really something. Thank you for sharing this whole story,
your journey, and thank you and thank.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
You for being so brave. It's like, listen, another out
of ten people, one you will do this. You know
it's it's dangerous, it's it's provocative in a way that
is just not great. You know, so so so, and
thank you honestly, thank you, and God bless you and
protects you always, or when you continue doing this once
(38:53):
a year every six months, whenever your heart tells you
that you need to do your next one, that you've
fully protected and you can save some lives. It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Amazing tail and let's work together. Hopefully we can. We
can be on set. You're talking about about something much
more light and fun. Good to see you, bye bye.
My mind is blown. Is this enemy? Mari Soon Nichols
(39:26):
and I have always liked Marisola. I admire her. She's
not only beautiful, but immensely talented, really good actress. But
just the fact that she differentiates herself from every other
actress out there by sticking her neck out and doing
something that is actually is life changing, and that you're
actually risking your life every single time, because it's like
(39:48):
you said, even if you have cops around, you can
be dealing with a crazy lunatic that in one second
will hurt her and and killer. So just the fact
that she is doing this to raise awareness, and not
only by speaking, because it's very easy to go to
events and say I believe in this, but actually doing
it walk in the walk. It is unbelievable and a
(40:10):
fear for children. And I don't comprehend how people can
go and pay to have sex with a virgin just
when it gives you pleasure to cause pain to a child.
I want to kill them all.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
These are just horrible individuals. The most important thing is
is the takeaway of the education, right, this is stuff.
Things like this are invaluable when people can gather this
sort of knowledge on how they can protect their own
kids so the best of their ability, how they can
look out for other children.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
This is a community group effort.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
You know, you need all hands on deck to go
against these predators and keep kids safe.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
That's a bottom line.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
I don't know why the government in every single country
is not more the aggressive.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Sure, a lot of countries do the best of their ability.
This is a I mean, it's like stopping gang crime
or stopping drug trade. It's such a big machine. It's
not that easy.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Clearly, well, it's very easy for them to take care
of all the things that are completely meaningless and nonsense.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
It's the point is that there everybody's doing. If everybody
does their part, things can get better. That's what you
have to work on. You have to just work on
getting better.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
It's horrific but amazing having her on.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Not the typical you know podcast where we're laughing and joking,
but this is something that's life changing. So appreciate everybody
listening your time. You love you, Thanks for listening. Don't
forget to write us a review and tell us what
you think.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
If you want to follow us on Instagram, check goes
out at he said is an email Eric and Ross
at iHeartRadio dot com. He said, is part of iHeart
Radio's Mike Will Do That podcast network.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
See you next time.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I
This is he said a yadiho with Eric Winter and
Rodlin Fantas.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
All right, welcome back to that episode that he said, Ado,
thank you to all our loyal listeners.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Mean so much to us.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
We were semi on time, semi uogle get into that
after the fact, guys, it was it was.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Okay, it's been a.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Little crazy, but here I am so happy to be
with you all. So gwenta gwenta.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Eric all we have an incredible guest right now that's
going to join us. She is ready to rock. Marisolt
and Nichols.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You know, you know Marisol.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm sure throughout the years I may have had a
pleasure of working with her on Good Christian GCB for ABC.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
It was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
She I don't know if she knows this, but you know,
she started one of my favorite shows of all time,
and I was a bit starstruck when I saw her
because I love twenty four and you know that I've
been able to work with two twenty four actors and
dB Woodside. But she has a whole other mission that
she's been taking on, dealing with bringing down sex trafficking,
(01:09):
child trafficking, human trafficking just in general. It's incredible. So
her mission, I can't wait to talk to her about
it and what she's been doing.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Yes, she's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Thank you for being on the podcast with us. I
know you have so much going on.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
My pleasure high.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's so great to chat with you.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
It was funny I was saying to Roz before we
came on that you know, you and I worked together
obviously on GCB ages ago, but I didn't even I
don't even know if Roz knew this, but two one
of my favorite shows of all time.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I don't know if I.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Ever told you this when we worked together, but was
twenty four and I was able to work with you
and dB Woodside and funny enough, like starstruck with both
because I was obsessed. I mean, I had the CTU
ring tone that was my phone. Oh yeah, du dude,
every time I phone ran.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I was that diehard of a twenty four fan. So
being able to work with you on GCP was a
real pleasure.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
And you're You're amazing.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
You've had such a decorated career doing so much. Let's
talk about before we talk about what you've been up
to now. Which I can't wait to dive into as well.
And I know we both are just talk a little
bit about your journey in acting. Did you always want
to be an actress?
Speaker 1 (02:21):
No, not in the least. I didn't know what I
wanted to do. I was like that I wish because
I would have started way earlier and gotten a lot
more experienced way earlier. No, I was that kid in
junior high high school had a lot of issues going on.
So I was the girl like in the smoking lounge.
(02:41):
I was the girl that was ditching class like so
much that I got kicked out of high school.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Oh wow, really, yeah, I was.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I was that girl.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Like we're going to talk more about this.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I as so like pristine and just beautiful and so
put together on like so level headed. I love it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Thank you. That's how I think of you. You're gorgeous.
It's amazing. And I still can't believe you and I've
never worked together.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
That's crazy, you know, because I don't think when we've
known each other for so long, I'm assuming we go
off for a lot of things, but we have never
actually been on set together.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
No, never, that's crazy. One day We're cross paths, for sure, yes,
I hope.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
So, so you were the problem child. I want to
die back guys.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Problem child. I had to go to night school and
summer school and all of these things just to graduate
high school on time. So by the time I got
you know, there was no thought of going to like
before year college. I was never going to get into that.
So I went to like a junior two year college
to try and figure it out.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Okay, that's where.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
I as an accident audition for play. I was dating
like this big punk rock dude, like singer, punk rock
band and everything in Chicago for like three years, four years,
and so when we broke up, it was like, oh God,
I have no identity outside of this, outside of this
guy and outside of this group. And so I just
(04:06):
auditioned on a whim to be an extra in a
View from the Bridge, and then I ended up getting
the lead. I ended up getting Catherine and then fell
in love with it, and then they asked me to
join their like theater it's almost like a speech theater
competition team, and they colleges all of the United States,
(04:27):
and so I joined their team and in three months
I was the national champion.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (04:32):
So I was like, oh, my god, I think I
know what I want to do. So it was a
complete accident. It was a complete accident.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
And where was this? Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Chicago?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
In Chicago? That is wild?
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So when did you move to Los Angeles?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Though? I ended up getting I ended up getting a
job out here. I got flown out for a series
that I auditioned for from Chicago. They flew me out.
We went to pilot shot the pilot, I went home
and then I got a all going, okay, it's picked up,
pack your bags and let's move to La. So I
moved to La at what.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Age was that? That was twenty three, still very young.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
That was a TV show called My Guys that was
like right off. It was originally with Lorraine Brocco, which
I was like super fan girl over because you know,
and then she got replaced with a guy named Michael Rispoli. Yeah,
still works. And we did six episodes, you know, and
I thought, I was like, I'm a superstar.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
I did my I did Ryan Caffield year one. You
remember that. I did the show for Fox and Michael
Respoli was one of the cops. Yes, that's someone like
the rookie. Yeah, it was six guys. It was a
Palermo and then it was six guys and I was
the female couple with responding. He was very nice guy, very.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Nice, great great yep, small world. I know.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So when you got that and then that got canceled
after six episodes, which we've talked about many times on
the Podcas asked us how volatile this business is and
you think like boom, I've got it, I've made it,
and then all of a sudden it's gone, Yep, what
was that next thing or what was the thing that
you that took you to another level from just you
know one, you know, one job after another, and then
all of a sudden, boom, it was like you're on
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everybody's right.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I like that you think I'm at that level. So
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
There for sure, there's a level that we all know,
whatever point in that journey where it's like it's not
just you know you, all of a sudden people are
aware of you.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yeah. I was auditioning for Vegas Vacation, which is the
Chevy Chase Vacation movies, and they made me audition for
three months, and for three months I was like, I'm
never going to get this, Like Audrey Griswold is the
whitest girl in America. Like it's all American, white girl
representing the American family. And I was like this little
(06:47):
Latina kidnemed Marisol from Chicago, and I ended up I
ended up getting it. And so it was when I
got Vegas vacation and I went to Vegas to do
that film. It's first time I ever been on film
that like ever it was that was like, oh, okay,
maybe maybe you know, I'm gonna make a living out
of this, Like maybe this could be good.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
So I would say it was that, Yeah, to the
next level. That's fantastic.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
So how many series have you done? How many total?
Speaker 1 (07:14):
A lot?
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Right, You've been a part of how many.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Eight or nine?
Speaker 4 (07:17):
And movies, oh like thirty thirty. So it's a pretty
extensive career through many, many many years now. And then
nobody knows this because you know, a lot of people
know your name and they know your face, and you've
been working consistently. I'm very solid throughout all these years.
But you do something that I actually find it a
hundred times more valuable than and important and anything we
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do in anything that we do, you know, like to
be honest for sure, When did you have this initiative
or thought that you wanted just to do something that
was truly, truly meaningful.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
I was This was back in twenty twelve and my
former mother in law was traveling all over the world
and she was educating people on human rights and my
daughter was like four or something, and she would come
back and she would start telling me horrific stories of
like child trafficking and child brothels, which I didn't even
(08:20):
know that existed, and these horror stories, and I was like, what,
how is this? How is what do you mean? Like,
what do you mean there's something called child sex trade?
Like it doesn't exist? Those sentences, those words should not
even be in a sentence. And to be totally blunt,
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I just I couldn't sleep. I just it would haunt me,
and I couldn't go to the park without looking at
little kids and going how how you know? And then
she would tell me that it was also in the
United States, and I was like, so my choice was
to either be completely overwhelm and horrified and have nightmares
(09:02):
and ignore, which I could not do, or Okay, well,
then let me figure out what I can do. And
the only way I knew to figure out what I
could do was to find out as much as I
possibly could about the entire issue and then see where
I could fit in. And that's what I did, and
I ended up meeting you know, I went to the
(09:23):
White House. I went I met with every State center.
I met with Department Homeland Security, I met with the
State Department, the DEA's office. I met with everybody, NGO's
National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, the hotof the
Human Draviting Hotline, I mean, everybody, to learn as much
as I could. And then, funnily enough, I was promoting
GCB a lot at the time, and I got invited
(09:47):
to you know these like you know, you get invited
to one of these red carpets for a charity, but
you don't really know what it is, right, and your
publicist gives you a cheat sheet so that you memorize
the stats or whatever it is you're supposed to say
so that when you get on the red carpet, Access
Hollywood is like what brings you out to support you know,
X Y and Z, And you go, well, x Y
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and Z has thirty thousand missing x Y and Z's
and what looks like we know what we're talking about,
and it looks like you know, we're we're in support,
which we are, but it's not like, you know, we
just learned about it.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
You're not in it. You're just regurgitating information.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Well I was doing that and regurgitating information on like
backpacks for children while I was like meeting with survivors
like child sex trade survivors, wow, and meeting with like,
you know, the worst things of the worst. And I
was like, Okay, you know what, that's it I'm going
to do. I'm going to do a red carpet and
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I'm gonna I use Eva's restaurant Baso, and I'm going
to invite the Associated press and access Hollywood and entertainment tonight,
and I'm going to have all my friends in the
business come walk the red carpet. They can be the
ones to spit out the statistics, and I'll get international
coverage on it. And then what I did was I
disguised it as an award show so that I could
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have an excuse for the certain people that I had
met along the way in this issue to come and
talk about it. And so then they came and would
brief the audience on like what it was that they
did and why I was awarding them, and then like
you know, Kelly Preston would give an award, or Kristin
Chenowith came and sang, and it was but by default
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everyone now knew about this. It was my and it
still is my core belief that the only reason this
is allowed to occur is that the good people and
the right people don't know about it, and they don't
know it exists, and they don't know it exists in America,
and they don't know exist in their backyard and in
their town. They have no idea.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
You know what's interesting. I did a movie years ago, Traffic,
with Dean Taylor directing, and he was about human trafficking
with Paula Patten, and I remember that I read it
and I was like, this is intense, and I swear
to you, Marisol, I thought that it was super augmented,
and so this is just for Hollywood purposes, and we're
going to push the envelope by making it as fantastical
or fantastical in a negative like we're gonna just do
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like something like ridiculous. But it was hard. It was
hard film. And then I Chook several meetings before we
started shooting, and I asked director flat out and I'm going, listen,
this feels like a little too much, you know what
I mean? You want inside this cave And I'm like,
you know, and they kidnapped me and they beat the
heck out of me and then Paula Potton comes in
and saves the day.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
I was like, I'm a little bit confused. I'm like,
do we have to go that far? And he's like, no, no, no, no, no.
Everything you're understanding this is all real life. This is
exactly like you. He's been doing research for many, many
years before writing the material, and he goes, this is nothing.
If I sit down with you and I tell you stories,
you're gonna die. And I'm going, so, you're telling me
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that everything that you're depicting in this movie has happened
before and it's based on something that is real, and
he's like, a hundred percent. I was floored.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Yep, yep, it's down usually exactly.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
But I learned difficult to understand.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You ever worked with Julia Ormond in this space?
Speaker 1 (13:14):
No, but I heard that she supports some my own nonprofit.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
She's very active in this space as well, and we
did a show together, and we had all been a
part of charity efforts that she was making as well.
And I remember remember her name was Randy, and I
can't think of Randy's last name, but she was a
victim and.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
For since childhood.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
And it was mind blowing, Like you said, none of it,
it doesn't even feel like it could be possible to
the extent of what you learn. And then you started
your own nonprofit foundation for a Slavery Free World, and
that came after this event that you did at Base
as you were building up.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
So I started doing these events and I needed a
keynote speaker, and also I kept doing all these meetings
and doing these meetings, and finally I was like, the
only reason I started the problem in the first place
was just so I can open more doors. So it
wasn't just oh, I'm an actress with the folks, you know,
I was trying to be a spokesperson. Or it was
like no, no, no, like let's keep going, Like what else
can I do? I have all these relationships I have,
(14:13):
Like what else can I do? So then I formed
the nonprofit honestly to just open more doors in DC,
and then I needed a keynote speaker, and someone introduced
me to this former CIA officer who did nothing but
rescue children and do undercover ops and undercover s things everywhere,
and I was like, where the hell have you been.
You're the guy I was looking for. And so he
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came and spoke, and the Attorney General came and spoke,
and then he started taking me on ops, going do
you want to see you? And I'm like yeah, And
then one day he was like, do you want to
go on.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
A cover Yeah, get to so you did that, you
went all in.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
And he was like yeah, nah, and so he just
kind of threw me into it and I've you know,
like literally threw me into it. Okay, we were we
just went a haiti, and now you're the girl who
sets up the sex parties that we're traveling for. And
here's an undercover camera and here's an undercover recording equipment. Okay, ready, okay,
and this is what we want to do. And our
objective is to get this guy to tell us where
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the next one is so that we can follow him
to the next one. All right, you're ready, you good,
let's go.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
And and you're passing as a what you're You're the
one organizing it, like clothing as the girl, like.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Vaccine, maxine, vaccine, just laying ex like her, like you
were the ringleader bringing in the girls.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Yeah. So, and since then, I'm you know, I've done
this for over a decade and I've worked with different
long for it. I mean, I just I should actually
show you if I I remember, I'll grab my badge
because I just got deputized as a sheriff.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
But so I've been doing this on and off for
a decade, and I play different roles and sometimes I
played the victims. Sometimes I play the trafficker.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Sometimes my god, I'm my result. That's in That's incredible.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But I just I fell into it. I just fell
into it.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Has it been like a close call at some point?
I'm assuming you're fully protected, so they are like all
all hands on deck, and that if somebody choice would
be as smart as they do, you have a lot
of protection, right they will basically the fuse the situation immediately.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
I mean, it depends on the situation. If I'm working
with the police, it's the easiest thing in the world.
It's the easiest thing in the world. We have vests.
We have guys in the next room with tons, tons
of firepower, Like that's no big deal. If I'm working there,
it's it's really safe and super easy, and I'm really
not worried. When I'm working abroad, it's a different story.
(16:26):
You're talking about third world countries. You're talking about you.
You're talking about safe houses, Like we have a safe
house and we have backup, but they're not with us there.
We can run to the safe house. We don't have
recording equipment on, we don't have cameras with us, we
have nothing. We're relying on us convincing who we're talking
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to that we are who we say we are. But no,
it's it's I'm terrified.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Do you have to change the way you look? Yeah, peo,
who can't identify.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
You as pigs? And contacts and accents and different ways
of holding my body and costume, I mean everything that
you would think you would have to do, especially you know,
especially when Riverdale hit. I was like, oh God, how much.
And I'll tell you on one close call that we
had in the Dominican Republic, we had just finished five
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ops in four days. We'd been in the that was
that's the worst one I've ever done. Was the was
the dr It was the worst because it was the
most dangerous, it was the most scary. I was really
messed up about it for a couple of weeks until
we got the girls out and then I cried. Then
I was like, okay, it's worth it that I was good.
But the last day I took off my disguise and
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we're me and the all the guys that I'm working with.
We're all eating at a restaurant before we have to
leave and down the plane the next morning. In one
of the waitresses, it was like, it's the Dale and
I shit my pains.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
Why so why did you say?
Speaker 1 (17:57):
No?
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Absolutely no, no, you wrote that malet that think you
will whether.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
You say to the guys, and they just played along
like yeah, yeah, you want a picture, like pretended like
it was no big deal that I was there. Okay,
but it's it's my that was my always But I
have such a disguise, like you won't recognize me. Guys
that I work with like on a regular basis, were like,
what are we going to do it all?
Speaker 4 (18:19):
This is so fascinated, Like my mind is blown. It's like,
oh my God, marisoul.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
When you're going to the DR for example, who are
you with? What's the government body that is? It's military.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah, So the guys that I'm traveling with ore ex
military x FBI X whatever they are. Some of them
are active duty, but most of the time they're ex
x military guys with a DR. They don't really have
a police force. They have a military that's headed up
by a female colonel. By the way, he's badass. And
so she was the one who asked us to come
because a lot of these guys, first well, they don't
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have funds in third world countries to do these kinds
of operations. And then secondly they really smart areas they
only let Americans in, so they don't let anybody local
in because the profile for who travels to these places
to do this are Americans, wow, for the main customers.
So that's also why so we were working with the
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colonel working with the military, who would hang back. We
would go and do all the basically gathering all the intel.
How many girls, what's their ages, what's the entrances, what's
the exits? Who are the guys verify that these three
traffickers that they think are there are the guys that
are there like and then give them all and turn
it over to them to do their own to now
(19:44):
follow up and do their own thing. So, but it's
usually it's usually military. Sometimes it's local police. This is
when it's abroad. When it's America, that's very easy. It's
sheriff's office or the vice squad or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
The local departments wherever you Yeah, that's that's super easy.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And if you're traveling with military, they like you said,
they can be active, not active, but it's a department
within the military or everybody's volunteering there.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Really it's a volunteer.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, I think they made I never.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Got paid, I mean, but there's no like department of
the government that's orchestrating the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
It's literally all volunteers.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
The ones that I've done there obviously is like the
FBI something call Operation Cross Country or once a year
they go state to state, the state state to do
rescue operations. And then i CAAC, which is the Internet
Crimes against Children, they do local operations in the United States,
and then there's an international branch of them that does
that internationally. But these aren't the guys that I was
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working with and.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I'm assuming it's not common for them to accept like
a regular person. Listen, you're somebody that has absolutely no
training when it comes to law enforcement. You don't know
anything about anything. You just have a passion or a
compassion for this kind of situation. Can you just call
the FBI saying listen, I want you to use me.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
I wanted to, like because I felt a lot more
protected if I was actually working with the official FBI.
But no, they're they're they're taking my word for it.
They're taking the guys are vouching for me.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
So anybody can have can call them saying listen, I
want to be a volunteer and I want you to
use me.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Well, again, this is not a these are none of
these are official FBI or official government bodies. These are
those foreign governments sanctioned, not our government sanctioned.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, what you're doing is a bit of like it's
a rogue operations. You're working with people that have experience,
have training there. It's almost, uh, in a lack of
a better word, I guess it's like like an online
sleuth getting involved in a murder mystery. Right, you have
a people that are like, look, we've heard about this trafficking.
We've done all this work. We figured out that X, Y,
and Z is probably here. Let's put our task force together.
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We're all experienced.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Guys that I work with. Have you know, they have
statistics in this area, they're for doing this. So and
what I bring is I don't look like a cop
like the guys that I'm with, Like, you know they're wrong,
you know, spot them a mile away if you're But
I don't look like a cop in the least. And
so I I disarm the guys we're with, and I'm
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you know, real charming, and I use a different, you know,
different whole thing, and I'm all nasty and disgusting and
whatever whatever the thing is called for that I'm supposed
to be convincing them. But to answer your earlier question
with like the police, like the first time I did
it with the vice squad in outside of Sacramento in
Yuba City, they were like, the hell is get this
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actress out of here, like why are you even and
they're you know, they're rolling their eyes, and they were
like saying, so, we're gonna take you through a little
hostage training. We're gonna take you through you know, through
some stuff, and and then at the end of it,
we got so many, so many, so many like this
because I can I'm on the phone, I'm either talking
like a little girl, because you know, we're actresses. We
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can change our voices, we can do things. And so
it got like ten times the normal amount of guys
that we would get showing up.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Wow with your altered voice.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
This is you know, this is in twenty twelve, twenty thirteen,
twenty fourteen. There's no there's no AI. Yeah, so them
talking to a kid, what they think is a kid.
They're showing up in drobes to show up, and so
we could just take them down and take them down
and take them down, and so then afterwards it's like
I earned my earned my stripe.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
Yeah for sure.
Speaker 4 (23:29):
Wow have you gone through?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Like what is it like for you? It's so funny.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I bring this up because we watched this documentary on
The Manhunt Osama bin Laden about the Seal team going
in and this one seal He's like, look, I'm I'm
saying by to my my family, saying by to my kid.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I may never see him again.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I know I'm going in on this life or death
mission and Obviously it's his job.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
He's part of the military, he's a Navy Seal.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You're volunteering. But every time you put yourself in this position,
it's high risk. I mean, that's the bottom line. Do
you have to compartmentalize like the Navy seals?
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Sort of? I mean, obviously you have to compartmentalize in
many ways.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
But I mean when you leave, like this Navy seal describe,
he's like my family's out of it. They're gone from
his mind or else. He can't do his job with
the fullest attention. Is that what you go through?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I mean, I think these guys have better training and
I do. It's you know, especially like it's it's nearly
impossible for me to look at another girl or a
young girl and not flash to my own For sure,
I imagine it. Like I said, it messes. It messes
with you, depending on the country that I'm in, the
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degree of the op like the one in the that
I did. I wrote a letter to my daughter in
case something happened to me, and I knew that there
was a chance, and I gave it to one of
my dear friends, and I was like, look, if I
don't just give this to give this terrain, and I
really had to think, like do I really want to
do this? But my thought was, if this ever happens
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to my kid, I would want whoever could help that
they wouldn't hesitate and they would do whatever they could
get my kid back. And that was why I said yes,
you know, It's why I said yes. And then depending
(25:28):
on the Dane, you know, I haven't said no, but
I now my daughter understands what it is that I do,
and so she's kind of begged me not to do
anything really really dangerous imagin and like the last one
that I just did, like six weeks ago, we did
it some ops in Michigan, and that was She's liked,
(25:49):
you tell me you can work on it. I'm like, honey,
this is the like, these are not dangerous when you've
got the cops in the same room as you. It's
not that I don't think it is. I'm sure someone
else would, but when you've done things that are way
way further you're like, he's a gig, like are you playing?
Speaker 2 (26:03):
They're still danger no matter how you dice it, because
you just don't know what that person in the room
could do in an instant, right you never know, but
it's not to your point probably the level of what
you experienced.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
The deal.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
How old is your daughter now?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Sixteen?
Speaker 4 (26:14):
Sixteen? Okay, she's so young? Wow? And how common is
it marisoul for like, listen, we have a daughter. She's thirteen,
you know, and now you're dealing with a teenager. We
are as well. She's entering those teenage years once you
start going to like they go to college and they
go out and about, you know, and they're at a
dorm and you don't really know. You know, they can
tell your mom, I just gotta go to the movies
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and then but they're at a different state and you
don't really know what's going on. Is it that common
that they that this no more? Girls would be at
at a lounge, at a club, at a party or whatever,
and somebody comes in puts a little bit of something
inside the drink and they disappear. Is that something that
we only see in movies? Or do you think that's
very common?
Speaker 1 (26:54):
The white van that you think of is now the Internet. Okay,
change the way, fan, So it's more common that your
daughter is being caught Like I don't want to say
your daughter because I don't want.
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Free foom online, through social media, through discord, through even meta,
through any place where they can contact your kid DM
fake profiles.
Speaker 4 (27:16):
And they plan something meet me somewhere, and that's that's
the catch.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
That's the common. Convince them to sneak out, Convince them
to meet up somewhere. Convince oh, my parents are going
to pick you up. Let's just seek out for a
little while, meet me here, or pretending to be a
little you know, a fifteen year old boy or fifteen
year old group and now with a I forget about it.
They've got a hold, they've got all of it, and
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that's the more common common. Then when they get older,
it's more scams. It's more yes, at a club, you
better cover your freaking drink one like one hundred percent.
And that's why there's all these like there's new inventions
coming out to detect act drugs in your drink because
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it's that common. If there wasn't a marketplace for it,
that wouldn't happen. It's more like, oh, they asked me
to be a model, or I got invited to this
modeling agency that they want to meet me, and you're
it's different.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
And the ones that are taking here. I'm assuming they
don't keep them within the states, they just fly them
somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, it's state to state to state to state, and
how happen in each date.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
But how can these girls and they're completely uncommunicated. There's
no way for her or the girl or the boy
to call anybody, to talk to anybody. I mean, is
it that bother? They could be years they're gone and
there's no way for them to get out.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
So in the beginning, Now, in the beginning, they are
I mean the rate multiple times, they're beaten multiple times
so that they're broken, so that they will listen, so
that the trafficker or the pimp doesn't have to keep
them under lock and key. They know if they even
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try to run, if they even try to talk to someone,
the same thing's gonna happen again. And they're watched. So
the girls that you see out on the street are there,
but they're controlled by the guy that you don't see
that's down the street.
Speaker 4 (29:22):
I can't think it.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
And that's you know, And it depends on the type
of trafficking. If they're young, they're a high high, high commodity.
So if their trafficker will hold them in a hotel room,
and how guys come to them so that they're not
even visible. And then there's these trafficking literally called highways
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and byways, and they're gone from truck stops to hotel
rooms to motel rooms. But it used to be that
they'd be gone to another country, and that does happen.
But the majority, like the United States is a sex
tourism destination country. We are high on that list. It
used just to be places like Thailand and Cambodia. You've
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got the United States up there, so there's no need.
Why would you risk sending overseas when you've got the cut,
You've got the supply and the demand right here. You
got the customers right here.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
How much did they pay? Like a regular guy that
go goes to a motel to have sex with a minor,
how much is it paying.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
It depends if that miner is a virgin, my god.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
So it's literally just becomes like a straight up.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah because a kid, though, I mean, this is so bad.
I don't want people to turn off like I want listening,
so I try to always keep it like less. But
put it to you this way. That's the high commodity.
That's the target is the younger the better, especially twelve, thirteen, fourteen.
That's hot. That's like, ooo, that's the greatest thing.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
To So while there's I mean, this doesn't suffer, at
the bottom line is that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
They just want They cannot be drugged. It just depends.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
Yeah, they just want high commodity.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Like she said over and over and over again. It's
multiple times a day. It's not just I can't.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
We just saw this.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Have you seen this documentary on Netflix, The Amy Bradley No.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I haven't seen it. I've seen it. Amy Bradley is Missing,
but I haven't watched it.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
You have to see it. It's it's really it's really interesting.
She's already she's an adult. I mean, it happened when
she was twenty two years old. She's in her forties probably,
and the parents believe that she was taking out of
the cruise ship, you know, somebody told her to meet
me here. And it is insane the theories and what
the parents to this day, they're holding onto this thought
(31:43):
and an idea that they will see her again, and it's.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Crazy and kind to the point you brought up about
the way that their abuse entreated to make them afraid
to ever do anything.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
It's like there was a tourist that swears saw her
probably where it was going.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Out of the back tomatoes like that, and there were
people outside the bathroom saying, you go in, dude, you
got da da da da. And the lady saw that
and heard it, and the girl was crying in the
bathroom and she's like you okay, and she gave her
like a mean look, like don't talk to me. And
then the people outside were staring at the lady as
she was exiting in the bathroom, and she told her husband, like,
something's not right.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
And you know what's interesting, and it's said, I understand
as a human being, you never know how you're going
to react to something that is like is it hunts?
Is it for real? Am I seeing this correctly? But
this happened many years ago on to this day. The
lady says, it haunts me because I just go what
if I would have done something? But I didn't know?
Is she in distress? Is she acting out? But like
I didn't know. And I think the message here is
(32:40):
if you see something that your God tells you that
girl is not acting or that boy there's something going on,
ye just call the cops. Just call somebody.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Saying, especially especially I would say in the US, because
I can understand a tourist freaking out. Yeah, I Barbados,
going I don't even know how to contact the cops.
I don't even know if the cops are going to
be in on this, they even gonna believe me. I'm
just some tourists from the US, Like I could see
there being a lot of things going through their mind
of fear, like not even knowing how to react. But
if you're in the US, you know, nine times out
(33:11):
of ten, you're not going to have a corrupt police situation.
You just literally call the cops, follow some whatever you
gotta do. Take a license plate.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Yeah, better to call anyway, even if the cops are
because there's a record of it. Yeah, correct, you know,
And then you call the embassy. It's American embassy. This
is an American citizen, this is the foreign country. Where's
the passport done?
Speaker 4 (33:31):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Fine?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
This the symbol And I'm sure you know the there's
a symbol. Now that they're like, it's all over social
media that they tell you somehow you need help, you know,
I think is this or something like that. I think
you go like this, Yeah, you go, let you go
like that is that campaign? Is it? Is it effective?
Is it proven that that is why helping a lot
of people.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
I've heard of it. I've definitely heard and I've heard
of it working, Okay of the distress signal, right, yes,
and I heard of cases where girls were rescued from there. Right.
There's so, I mean, there's a lot of campaigns. There's
the Human Trafficking Hotline, the Homeland Security is the blue campaign.
You know, like when you go to when you go
to the airport and you go to the bathrooms and
(34:13):
you see those posters on the inside of the bathroom
that says, if you're in help human trafficking, let us know.
Those on buses, those are on billboards, those are at
truck stations. There's all of these things because you're trying
to reach the victim who doesn't have any way of
communicating except for that. There's an organization called Airline Ambassadors
(34:37):
that trains all FAA personnel on what to look for
because a lot of times these girls are trafficked on
commercial flights. Kids are traffic and commercial flights right out
on the open.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
So you could be seeting next to one that he's
been trafficked. Then you have an idea, you.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Have no idea. So there's things to look for that
they're trained to look for. This is a lot, Eric,
but it is a lot my God to give people
something to do, because that's my main thing is like
what can you do?
Speaker 4 (35:13):
How do you decompress when you go to these operations?
Like how do you go back to do.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
This full time? I do this once in a while.
My last week was six weeks ago. Prior to that,
I think it was a year before I went out. Okay, okay, okay,
I can't do this all the time. Yeah, I'm not trained.
I'm not I'm an actor. I'm still trying to make
a living as an actor, of course, you know. So
there's there's all of that. My hat's offer to the
(35:37):
law enforcement and to the agents that are working on this,
and this is their job. This is what they do,
the guys that go deep undercover for months.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
I have the last question for you might so just
for people so they learn, you know, because there's so
many misconceptions when you think about human trafficking, you think, oh,
it's just a drunker turils. It's just all these like
low life organizations of like, you know, the reality is
there there are a lot of organizations that deal with
human trafficking that they're like white collar, like how you
(36:07):
got a white collar or blue white collar right like.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
High end look at Jeffreys, people.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Highly educated that actually direct in this whole operation.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
A lot of it is gang related. It is cartels,
like I don't like Mexico like you got the cartels,
you've got MS thirteen gang members, you've got organized crime
doing this. Most of in my experience, the white guys
are the customers. Okay, they're the customers. Now, of course
(36:41):
you've got the Jeffrey Epstein's and yes, this goes all
the way, all the way, but I'm I don't touch that.
I don't touch that because I don't have any evidence,
concrete evidence, haven't seen it for myself, So I don't
talk about that stuff about what I've seen for myself,
what I've experienced myself, what I've seen with my own eyes. Yeah,
(37:02):
that kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
Well, this has been, you know, eye opening, beyond belief,
even though what we thought we knew, this has been
incredibly educational and thank you for sharing your experience with us.
For the listeners where can they get more information on
how to help your organization, on just everything they can
do if they want to dive in, what can you share?
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Okay? So I have a podcast. It's called the Marason
Nichols Podcast. To keep it very simple, and I've had
it for three years and I have all the guys
not only that I go undercover with on there, but
I've got experts in every single side of this, whether
the head of Global safety for Meta, Instagram, Facebook, all
of that has been on our podcast. Twice. We've had
(37:41):
Meta on. I've got the head of the National Center
for Missing and Exploited Children on, I've got former law
enforcement on current law enforcement on so to learn everything
including from a parent down to a teenager to a
twenty year old. All everything is on there. So I
just say go to the Marisol Nichols Podcast. My website
also as Information Slavery Freeworld dot org and we'll accept
(38:05):
donations there. So please to allow us to continue to
do this work the podcast and support getting the information
out because my goal is to just reach individuals before
this ever happens to them, so this you never have
to experience this, and they know what to look for
and they can protect themselves.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You know you're doing an incredible thing, Marisol. This is
this is really something. Thank you for sharing this whole story,
your journey, and thank you and thank.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
You for being so brave. It's like, listen, another out
of ten people, one you will do this. You know
it's it's dangerous, it's it's provocative in a way that
is just not great. You know, so so so, and
thank you honestly, thank you, and God bless you and
protects you always, or when you continue doing this once
(38:53):
a year every six months, whenever your heart tells you
that you need to do your next one, that you've
fully protected and you can save some lives. It's incredible.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Amazing tail and let's work together. Hopefully we can. We
can be on set. You're talking about about something much
more light and fun. Good to see you, bye bye.
My mind is blown. Is this enemy? Mari Soon Nichols
(39:26):
and I have always liked Marisola. I admire her. She's
not only beautiful, but immensely talented, really good actress. But
just the fact that she differentiates herself from every other
actress out there by sticking her neck out and doing
something that is actually is life changing, and that you're
actually risking your life every single time, because it's like
(39:48):
you said, even if you have cops around, you can
be dealing with a crazy lunatic that in one second
will hurt her and and killer. So just the fact
that she is doing this to raise awareness, and not
only by speaking, because it's very easy to go to
events and say I believe in this, but actually doing
it walk in the walk. It is unbelievable and a
(40:10):
fear for children. And I don't comprehend how people can
go and pay to have sex with a virgin just
when it gives you pleasure to cause pain to a child.
I want to kill them all.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
These are just horrible individuals. The most important thing is
is the takeaway of the education, right, this is stuff.
Things like this are invaluable when people can gather this
sort of knowledge on how they can protect their own
kids so the best of their ability, how they can
look out for other children.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
This is a community group effort.
Speaker 2 (40:42):
You know, you need all hands on deck to go
against these predators and keep kids safe.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
That's a bottom line.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
I don't know why the government in every single country
is not more the aggressive.
Speaker 2 (40:56):
Sure, a lot of countries do the best of their ability.
This is a I mean, it's like stopping gang crime
or stopping drug trade. It's such a big machine. It's
not that easy.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Clearly, well, it's very easy for them to take care
of all the things that are completely meaningless and nonsense.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
It's the point is that there everybody's doing. If everybody
does their part, things can get better. That's what you
have to work on. You have to just work on
getting better.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
It's horrific but amazing having her on.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Not the typical you know podcast where we're laughing and joking,
but this is something that's life changing. So appreciate everybody
listening your time. You love you, Thanks for listening. Don't
forget to write us a review and tell us what
you think.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
If you want to follow us on Instagram, check goes
out at he said is an email Eric and Ross
at iHeartRadio dot com. He said, is part of iHeart
Radio's Mike Will Do That podcast network.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
See you next time.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
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