May 26, 2025 • 34 mins
An episode you have to hear to believe!What sounds like a Hollywood murder mystery, is the real life horror story of Certified Hypnotherapist Sasha Carrion.Hear how her mother's disappearance led her to seek healing through hypnosis, and how she turned her trauma into a thriving careeras a Transformational Coach. Plus, how does hypnotherapy work? Does it work for everyone? Why do people lose track of time during hypnosis? Ros and Eric ask everything you want to know!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is he said a yadiho with Eric Winter and
Rodlin fantag.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello, Hello, welcome back to another episode, he said, A
yet d ho.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
How's everybody? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I hope we are doing well out there. We are excited.
We have a very cool guest. I've always been pretty
fascinated by hypnosis, and we have a hypnotist with us
here today, Sasha Guardion Gad.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
She's also a transformational coach with more than oh my goodness,
seventeen years of experience. She has earned her a reputation
as a go to expert for Hollywood celebrities, visionary entrepreneurs,
and high performing individuals at pivotal moments in your lives.
What do you know about being hypnotized?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think I was, if I remember right, Like back
in junior high they brought a hypnotist in. It was
kind of for fun, and I don't think I ever
really fully went under. I have a lot of questions
because I want to know the science behind it. I
went and have you ever been hypnotized?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I have?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Did you did it work?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Many many many years ago? I did it because of
my claustrophobia.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
But it was you actually felt.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Actually I've done it three times, even with Eve. You
know Eve Williams a friend, her mom does it. I
went to Eve's mom. I don't remember too much with experience.
She said that I was out, like I was sleeping
for like an hour to meet for like five minutes.
So I was very confused. And then I did an
actor Nick Xenna Xeno. Nick Xeno, he had a really
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close friend that was a hypnotist and he dealt with phobias,
and I said, you know, I have panic attacks when
I'm in the plane. I remember him explaining to me,
if you tap here, if you tap.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
The straight You've done this three times and you still
have the same phobias.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It hasn't work, But I'm sure Sasha will make a word.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Let's talk to Sasha about this. We're going to dive in.
Let's bring her in.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, Hey, Sasha, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
How are you nice? Meeting you? Nice?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Meeting you guys as well.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Thank you for being with us today on the podcast.
We're excited to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
We have so many questions.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
You have no idea because this whole topic is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
We actually started in the intro well before we get
into the hypnosis of it, all our thoughts and everything else.
Just talk about you. What how did you get into hypnosis?
When did you realize you could do it? How does
that even work? Do you have to go to school
for something like that? Is it a gift that you
have naturally? Like a medium that you start to hart like?
How does that work?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Well, you, guys, she's going to talk about her childhood
because everything starts there, the trauma on what happened to you.
So if you're comfortable, we would love to.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Hear about it.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yes, of course, And first of all, thank you so
much for having me on the show. I'm so happy
to hear to be here with you guys. Yeah, for me,
it started way back because when I was five and
my sister three, our mother disappeared. My parents were in
the process of getting a divorce. My father was a
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really abusive alcoholic. My mother had done everything to try
to save him, and she got to the point where
she realized that who she needed to save was us.
So they were in the process of getting a divorce
and because of that, my sister and I were allowed
to sleep with my mom. The night my mom disappeared,
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I remember her talking u Sin saying good night, and
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
She was gone, oh my god, this in Puerto Rico, Sasha.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yes, my mother was Puerto Rican, my dad Mexican.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, and this is in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
No, No, this was here in La and raised in La.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah. And what ended up happening was that they would
ultimately question my father as to her disappearance. And then
my father disappeared. Isn't that crazy? Two days after she
had disappeared, he disappeared, so clearly he became suspect number one.
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Of course, nobodies were identified that match to my mother.
My grandmother ultimately adopted us. Abuela, my grandmother became the
oldest woman in the state of California at that time
to adopt children.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Abola from mom's side or yes, your mother's side, okay,
your grandmother.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And she was living here in California.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yes, because she had come to help with us, and
so she was already here when it happened.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So she's raising you. And still nothing like, where did
the investigation go. What was the Let me tell us
about that.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, it went absolutely nowhere because there wasn't a single lead,
So we didn't hear anything about my mother's case for years.
And it wasn't until I went to UCLA and I
was nineteen, and I realized, my god, I'm so different
from all these other kids. You guys know, the Westwood
area is a very affluent area, and here I was,
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without parents, without any support, without any money, trying to
figure things out in college. And I decided that I
wanted to know what had happened. So I started asking
family members, and everybody had the same answer, which is,
I don't know. One day I spoke to an uncle
who offered to take me to Mexico and see if
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I could find my dad. He said he didn't know
what had happened, but maybe I could.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Get some answers.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
So imagine that I get to the airport and there,
fourteen years after all of this had happened, I see
my father in Mexico.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You're like twenty, you're what twenty years old?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Now I'm nineteen.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Nineteen at the airport in Mexico.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Yes, So I asked my father what had happened, and
he said, well, what happened? And was that your mom
took off with another man? And I'm as much of
a victim as you are.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And is it true.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I hate you. I hate to ask that question. Did
you believe him at that time?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yes, yes, I believed him, and in retrospect, you know, honestly,
I had always been a daddy's little girl. I loved
my father, and you know, my grandmother as much as
Abuela did her best with us. Abuela was very old school,
kind of a very strict disciplinarian, and she wasn't affectionate
with us. So I grew up really feeling like I
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didn't have family. So I embraced my father and I
was a part of his life. From there on for
ten years, I was a part of his family. He
had remarried, started to have more kids. I loved my
brothers and sisters.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
What about your little sister, she stayed in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yes, So my sister was already in law school when
this whole thing, and I told her what had happened
and what he had said, and she never believed them.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
She always had just a bad gut feeling, and she
kind of kept her distance. At one point she kind
of came around for a little bit, but then she
just kept her distance. I think a part of her
wanted to believe it, but then a part of her didn't.
And then I believed until my father's stories started changing
a little here, a little there. And then one day
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the same uncle that had taken me to Mexico confessed
to me the truth, which is what my father had
murdered my mother in the same room that we had
been sleeping. And can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
While you were not while you were in the room,
or just while we were.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
In the room, like right next to them anything. That's
the thing is my sister and I don't have any recollection.
And now that I am a hypnotherapist and transformational coach,
people always ask me, well, why don't you hypnotize yourself
to remember that? And I always explained, why would I
do that? Why go stirring the pot? You know, it's
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about healing, not about living in the past. Why. God.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, And this was proven not just as your uncle
said it, but the police were involved.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He confessed. Did your dad finally confessed or so?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
When I confronted my father over the phone, I think
he thought that the phone was tapped and it was
almost as though a switch had gone off, because my
father treated me in a way that he had never
spoken to me and pretty much told me off and
then hung up the phone. And after that I was
focused on getting justice. Nothing was happening because he couldn't
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be extradited. Yeah, and then one day I got the
call that he was sick in a hospital and it
looked like he was going to die. His mother called
and said, you need to be here for your father,
and I thought the nerve But you know what, I'm
going to go down there because I want to find
out where my my mother's bodies. So I go down
there and imagine that I have my dad laying in
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front of me in this hospital bed, and I asked
him to tell me the truth, and for a brief moment,
it looked like he was going to tell me what
had happened, what he had done, and then he said, no,
you know, that happened a long time ago, and besides,
I've been a good father.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Wow. Was that that was probably enough for you to
get confirmation from him?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Oh? Yeah, it was enough. And all of his family
members said the same exact thing, because he had told them,
so I absolutely knew what he had done.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So he told he actually confessed to the whole family
that had murdered your mom, oh yeah, yeah, Wow, what
did he How much information did he give up in
that confession, just just the fact or details of anything.
Did you ever get resolution? Did you ever get closure?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
So my father was at the time, he was a
So my understanding is that he took my mother's body,
he drove past the the border, and he disposed of
our body in such a way where she wouldn't be
able to be idda.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh my god, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Not how I thought this was a podcast. This is wild,
Like we are shocked, and thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I know this is like a movie. This is a movie.
This is like unheard of.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So what is your relationship with your sister Now?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I absolutely love my sister. I adore her. We're closer
than ever before. So it's interesting because I'm in the
business of helping people to get past whatever's holding them
back and be at their best. My sister, on the
other hand, is all about getting people justice. She's an
attorney up the San fran.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
You two are a one two punch for sure, with
helping helping the world. So did you obviously not stayed
in touch with your father's side in Mexico anymore? Beyond that,
I'm guessing right.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Well, you know, the people who had hit, what had happened.
I kept my distance from them for a long time. Recently,
I actually in the last few years, I spoke to
my one uncle and right away he started crying and
he apologized and I forgave him his wife. My aunt
refused to talk to me.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh God, And.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I thought, out of the nerve, you know, it's like you,
you don't want to talk to me. You've been lying
to me all these years. You know what, I'm gonna
let it go. God bless her, send her light and love,
and it's okay.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So you moved, Okay, So you went to Mexico. You
were there for ten years. Then you know the truth.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You didn't live in Mexico for ten years.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah. Yeah, I was around my father for ten years.
So I was going back to side and forth.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah yeah, this is after college, Like you were going
back and forth establishing that relationship. But you had roots here.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yes, So the hypnosis of it all started as a
personal journey to you for your own healing exactly.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
So the next step after this whole thing had happened,
was that I really needed to heal myself and the
thing is that I was experiencing so much anxiety depression.
I had even lost my faith in something even greater.
I just felt so alone and I felt like God
had really let me down. To be totally honest, and
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I was desperate because I was in a bad mental state.
I had gone to see a traditional therapist. I went
to see a psychiatrist. I took the pills. I had
physical ailments because I had migraines, I had shoulder pain,
neck pain, I could barely sleep. I even had hair loss,
and you see, got a lot of hair. And so
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I went to see a doctor. He went to give
me the same exact prescription. I went to a second
dog and when he went to give me the same prescription,
that's when I said, I got gutsy and I said,
now you know what the problem is. You don't know
what's going on with me, and that's why you just
want to give me another prescription. And he said, no,
what you don't realize is that you have emotional things
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that are causing all of these physical ailments that you have.
And that conversation led to me finding a book on
the body and mind connection, and that's when I found
out about the subconscious mind and something called hypnosis.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And from the book, and how does that journey go
for a typical I've come encountered. I've encountered different hypnotherapists
throughout my life. I've started in junior high just in
passing you or for fun or like party you hypnosis,
stuff like that. Yeah, you get intrigued through this book,
what does someone do? What is that next step when
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you're like, I'm going to study hypnosis and I want
to go all in and I want to learn this craft.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, you know, I was already seeing a hypnotherapist for myself,
so I'd gone to see a hypnotherapist. It was working.
I was really feeling the shifts. And one day she
was a little off, but I had already figured out
how she formulated the suggestions, and I started telling her
what suggestions to give me. And she looked at me
and she said, you know, I bet you to make
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a great hypnotherapist. And I looked at her and I thought,
I bet you actually would. So she actually put that
little seed in there, and after that, I just, you know,
signed up for hypnotherapy school. Next thing you know, I'm
certified by one and then since I'm such a nerd,
I went and I got certified by another school.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Wow, So what is it? Exactly?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
If somebody's completely cluel is about what is hypnotherapist? What
is it? The most like one to one simple way
to like if you were to teach a kid, what
does that mean? Like?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah? So it is a state of altered consciousness, which
is on a a part of the human condition. It's
absolutely normal. So the goal in a hypnotherapy session is
to make it so that your brain's wavelengths drop, your
mind opens up and is able to really receive positive suggestions.
And what we do is, once we put you in
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this deeply relaxed state, we give your mind suggestions that
are in line with you, completely eliminating whatever it is
that's blocking you and number two retraining the mind. And
the great thing that we do at my offices is
that we also record the sessions for you.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
How do you recognize what's causing the problem? I remember,
It's interesting. I went to one many many many many
years ago, and I remember that when I was under
the state of subconsciousness.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I guess I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I saw me walking in with a shirt that was
like lemnas like a navy you know, white a navy line,
white line, and how you call that?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Like? Man? Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Was like that, and I was young.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I was maybe ten years old, and I walked in
and my dad was just talking very like as usual,
very like loud to my mom, and I remember vivially
seeing the way I looked and that wardrobe and how
it made me feel, which was like, oh, here we
go again.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I'm scared. I'm gonna go to my bedroom. And I
remember then calling my mom said, Mom, but you remember.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
If I ever had a T shirt that was like this?
And she couldn't remember, But what was that? To this day,
I remember that moment, but I don't know if it
was real.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Oh, I assure you that, I mean, I really do
believe that it was real because the mind took you
there for a reason. It was showing you something about
your childhood that relates with whatever was going on in
your life at that time. So things show up in
your life so that you can heal them. So I'll
give you a really good example. Years ago, I had
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a client that I successfully helped. She brought in her
mom for this really bad fear of flying. When the
woman came in, I asked her what her relaxing place
would be, because that's one of the things that we
crosswire when we do a session to help the person
really relax. The woman said she didn't have a relaxing place,
and I said, okay, how about a moment when you
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where you were really relaxed. She's like none, And I
said how about a happy moment? She said none? And
I said, you're the mother of two daughters. You're telling
me that there hasn't been a single happy moment. She
said no, So I continued, right, I continued, And since
I had been asking her so much those questions, her
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mind on its own went and found a memory that
she had no previous recollection of. She remind she was
able to remember herself in I think it was Guam,
and she saw her living at her aunt and uncle's house.
Her parents were no longer with her. I think her
mom had gone to work in a different country, and
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she was a family members that didn't treat her very well.
And she saw herself outside playing and she said she
had this beautiful yellow dress with flowers on it. And
she said that even though it was dirty. She felt
so happy. That was a happy moment that her mind
went and found.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, that's all happens under hypnosis those moments. Right, you're
talking to her, she's saying no, it's short answers. She's aware,
she's at a state of consciousness, but you're going deeper
into her past communicating with her. And when you get
someone in that state, the goal is, like you said,
to sort of give them affirmation or whatever the verbiage is.
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That's going to be repeated and over and over to
try to train the subconsciousness to rewire so when they
come back into full consciousness that the brain isn't hitting
that loop again of whatever dealing.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
With that's right. So what we normally do is we
talk just like this, and we go over what the
person wants to change and how they want things to be,
and then we build a list of suggestions that's what
you're referring to. That are pretty much instructions that we're
going to give the mind so that it starts to
change the way the person sees things, feels about things,
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and thinks and as well as behaves. And we give
that person the suggestions and make it so that the
mind is able to really just absorb those.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
But it happens while you are not aware. So when
you're giving all those affirmations or the suggestions, let's say
you have a list of five, I'm under right, you're
treating me, you're giving me the suggestions, my conscious mind
is not listening to it. My subconscious mind is.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So this is the thing, is that for the majority
of the session you are aware. There's sometimes where you
go a little bit deeper. Sometimes you're a little bit lighter,
next thing, you know, deeper, a little bit lighter, a
little bit deeper. It's it's kind of like a wave
and your mind is absorbing everything during that time frame.
It's like you have a foot in both worlds. And
the goal is to make it so that if your
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conscious mind was here and the subconscious was here, you're
aligning them, making it so that everybody is on the
same page. Because a lot of times what happens is
you may know exactly what you want to achieve and
what you need to do to do that, but what
happens is that if your subconscious mind is on a
different page, it'll ultimately always sabotage you.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So what type of maybe there's different versions of hipo therapy,
because what is the one like again, I've seen it
at parties, right, and it's more for fun. What do
you mean a part like my junior high part, like
a grad party. They brought somebody and they brought all
these kids up in psychic no hypno therapist and then
they go like boom and the kids like huh and
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now you know what I mean? And then they make
them do silly things or they make it for fun.
I don't remember doing any of that. And you know
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Is that a different form of hypnotherapy or hypnosis? What
is that?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah? So I guess I should explain the difference between
hypnosis and hypnotherapy. Hypnosis general term that's used for all
forms of hypnosis hypno therapy is the use of hypnosis
as a therapeutic tool. And the stuff that people experience
in shows, that's entertainment hypnosis. So it's totally different from
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what we do in our offices, is it?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Oh, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Let me tell you. So I'll tell you how that functions.
Notice that when you go to these shows, they will
bring in a bunch of volunteers. Everybody goes up to
the front. Right. Notice that he's doing all of these tests,
doing all of these things, And what he's doing is
he's weeding out the people that are not naturally as suggestible,
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because when you're doing stage show stuff, you need people
that are the most suggestible right then and there because
their minds will go with it.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
But how do you identify that, Like how somebody see
twenty people and know by looking at somebody that one
is a target?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
How do you know that?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
So he doesn't know, So he has to get them
on the stage and then do all of these different
things and see how everybody responds. And then notice that
he keeps making the group smaller, smaller and smaller, till
next to you know, he's he's left with about six
people and those are the most highly suggestible people in
the lot.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, I got it. That's what I remember. I vaguely
junior high, so I'm vaguely going back and trying to
remember these things, but I do recall it being somewhat
like that. People going up elimination, there was a handful left,
and you would see the ones that were very I
guess suggestible to this whole process, you know, boom, they
were out. They'd snap tap their head and then they'd
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have him do funny things and then they'd wake them
back up.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And what is explanation?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Like I went once, we have a dear friend that
her mother used to practice. I don't know if she's
active anymore. And I remember that I went and she
said that I was not out. That's not the phrase
you used.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
She said that. She asked me, how long do you
think you've been kind of like daydreaming?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And I said, I don't know, five ten minutes, and
she now it's been an hour, And I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
How is that possible?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
That is what is called the hypnotic time warp. And
what happens is that when you're in a hypnotic state,
you lose all sense of time, and so it could
be that you feel time a lot longer or shorter.
Normally people will say, oh my god, I thought it
was like five or to ten minutes, but in reality
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it was a lot longer.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Oh my god, that's what happened to me.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
If people aren't fully suggestible to hypnosis and the broader scope,
I'm assuming hypnotherapy can't necessarily work. For everyone. You have
to be fully open and willing and wanting to go
to see the process and receive correct like I'm sure
you've had some clients where it just didn't work as
well as other clients.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah, in order for hypnotherapy to work, you have to
want whatever you are coming in for, because honestly, we
navigate your mind, but it's really always you who is
making the changes happen, So there can't be any form
of resistance. You have to be able to flow with
it and really get into it. So this way the
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mind can absorb the suggestions. Otherwise it's not happening. So
the person has to be one hundred person on board.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Do you think that every single these seas or ailment
or pain physical pain? Do you think that every single
one is related to some kind of trauma or like
energetically there's something that you're holding into that is manifesting
as a pain. Do you think that's correct?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I do, And I'll give you a really good example.
A few maybe two years ago, I started experiencing these
really bad hives on my neck, and I thought I
had to do something with pollen. I thought had to
do something with allergies, and it turned out that what
it was was an emotional response to my partner. Every
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time he pissed me off, I realized I would start
getting the hives. I would get hot, and I would
start getting the hives. And what happened was that the
moment I was able to start working on those issues
with him, and I was also able to do something
that I call NRT, which is a way of healing
the nervous system, the hives went away. And I've been
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clear this whole time.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Now as this is gonna be kind of a funny question,
has it ever been challenging, as you mentioned your partner,
has it ever been challenging having this gift and dating
or being with someone and going you're a hypnotherapist. How
do I know you're not trying to hypnotize me right
now with this conversation and you're getting your way with me?
Has it ever happened where someone's just questioning what you're doing?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
So, to start with, I'll be totally honest with you.
My partner used to be a client. Wow, I helped
cure him of insomnia, and then months later I was
going to the Philippines and I thought, gosh, didn't I didn't.
I have a client that said he knew the ins
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and outs of the Philippines, and I thought, oh, that
one guy, Jerry, and I reached out to him and he,
you know, filled me in with all of what I
need to know about the Philippines. And then at one
point he said, gosh, you're gonna have so much fun.
I wish I could go, and I thought, why don't
(27:02):
you go? And he went with me. We have a
nine year old son.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Now, by the way, Oh my god, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's amazing a client. I love how that story comes together.
I'm sure you win every argument in the house. You
look them in the eyes and you make them agree
with you.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Usually how many sessions like if somebody like I think
you know this because we have a mutual friend. Your
manager is a good, dear friend, and he knows about
my I share with him about my claustrophobia. I've been
have my my entire life as long as I remember.
But the older that I'm getting, the more aggressive it gets.
It's really interesting. I go in, we work out maybe
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you're able to tap into an experience.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I've done it before.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Listen, when I've been to psychics, healers, reincarnation. I've been
to everything trying to figure out why do I have
this like severe phobia. Nothing works, nobody has. The closest
that I've gotten is I'm the youngest of four children.
I have three brothers, and then me and the youngest
(28:07):
one of the boys, which is still five older, five
years older than me. We're very close.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Now, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
But when we were growing up, there was a level
of I don't want to say jealousy, but he was
like the little prince and then the girl came along,
and he always had like a little bit of a
this subconscious resentment, and I was very much a little tomboy.
And we will like wrestle the time. I love boxing
and lucha livre, and he will just we will just
be playing and he will put a pillow on me
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and like with like rage, and sometimes I felt that
I'm gonna I'm dying, I'm gonna die. And then my
mom will come in rushing like yo, and we'll like
grab him.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And it happened a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Of course, nothing happened to me, but I always had
this thing of like I was I remember thinking as
a child ten more seconds, and I think I was
gonna pass out.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
But I don't know if that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Oh, it is it? It is? You know why, because
when you're a kid, Number one, you're highly suggestible. When
we're kids, we are walking and talking sponges. And during
that timeframe, you really perceived that there was a threat
to your life and to your mind, it was a
genuine threat. And the very fact that it kept happening
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over and over again it really conditioned that behavior where
you know, you experience this fear of being in like
pretty much smothered. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I felt like I couldn't breathe.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
That's why when I get into an elevator, if there's
no oxygen, if it's not cold inside the elevator, I
can't even inside a plane. And I used to medicate
myself to be able to fly, and I fly every month.
Now I'm getting better. But if the plane it's not cold,
like I talk, every single fly that I take, I
have to tell the flight attendant you need to put
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the ac higher.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm getting hot and it could be freezing.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Everybody else is comfortable, but I'm not because I feel
like I need I need to feel cold and I
need to feel air, otherwise I will have a panic attack,
and I'm gonna it's just awful. This is the craziest
feeling about.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, your mind has already deemed that if you feel
the cold, then that equals safe. But if you don't,
then you're not safe because one of the things that
you experienced when he was smothering you was heat. Think
about it.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yes, right, it's crazy, makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, listen, Sasha, how do our listeners learn more? I
know you have a team that you work with. They
want to get in touch with you directly or your team.
Please tell everybody the best way to reach you if
they want to explore this.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Yeah. So my website is Sasha Karon dot com. My
office website is Heal Yourself Therapy dot com. On Instagram
on my English account, I am Sasha Garon as well.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
That's awesome. I hope everybody you know goes and checks
out your site and see if you probably can help
a lot of people, a lot of listeners who are
going and.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
You deal with all kinds of trauma, pain, claustrophobia, divorce.
I mean, it doesn't matter that the pain or the
trauma that you're having, you're able to go in.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
And work at us. Yeah, So the great thing about
hypnotherapy is that we're able to customize, to customize each
session to what the person needs.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
The person has to be in front of you.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
No, we do online sessions all the time. OK. Yeah.
In fact, I have a client who was the daughter
of a president and one day she needed a session
while she was in Europe and I totally hypnotized her,
you know online.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Wow, that's great. All right, everybody check out the website.
Thank you for being on the podcast. A lot of fun.
Appreciate your time.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Your story is incredible. It is incredibly sad.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
But the fact that now you are helping people heal
and you're happily. You know, you're a mom, and you're
so stunning and like life is thriving for you, it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's incredible blow complain about their issues in the past,
and you're clearly someone who rose completely above it all,
far worse than many people have ever had it. And
you are a true example coming diversity. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I appreciate that. I really do believe that I'm doing
what I was put on this sarth to do.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Love this Amen.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, thank you again, and we look forward to meeting
you at some point. In person when you come to
La and this is great. We're excited, thank you.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
What a story, My goodness, fascinating Cane.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I did not genuinely think this podcast was going to
start that way. I'm blown away by her strength. Again,
I said that at the end, and I mean it.
So many people complain about things they've gone through, and
you don't. Very few people could hold a candle to
a past like that and overcome it to be a
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successful functional not just functional, but delivering help and improving
people's lives.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And so put together and so smart. And the sister
a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You know, it's like incredible, girls, it's an amazing testament
to overcome a adversity.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
You know, it was incredible how God protected those two children.
They don't remember anything. I guess the way the father
performed the murder or whatever. I wonder if the dad
gave them something to make them fall asleep, because I
think the story could have been maybe slightly different if
they actually remember anything all of it. So just the
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fact that it's a complete blank canvas is that now
they know the truth, but they don't.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
They don't. They didn't see it, they didn't hear it.
It's wild. I wonder if that it was a saving
grace for them.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I think so for sure. I'd be far more traumatizing
to have to, you know, see that happening in the
moment and then lie. If you did see it in
the moment, it could have been worse for everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I know, and everybody knew about it but them. It's like, what,
just awful, It's very I'm so confused.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, great podcast again, thank you everybody for listening. You know
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Me, I love you.
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This is he said a yadiho with Eric Winter and
Rodlin fantag.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hello, Hello, welcome back to another episode, he said, A
yet d ho.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
How's everybody? How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I hope we are doing well out there. We are excited.
We have a very cool guest. I've always been pretty
fascinated by hypnosis, and we have a hypnotist with us
here today, Sasha Guardion Gad.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
She's also a transformational coach with more than oh my goodness,
seventeen years of experience. She has earned her a reputation
as a go to expert for Hollywood celebrities, visionary entrepreneurs,
and high performing individuals at pivotal moments in your lives.
What do you know about being hypnotized?
Speaker 2 (00:49):
I think I was, if I remember right, Like back
in junior high they brought a hypnotist in. It was
kind of for fun, and I don't think I ever
really fully went under. I have a lot of questions
because I want to know the science behind it. I
went and have you ever been hypnotized?
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I have?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Did you did it work?
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Many many many years ago? I did it because of
my claustrophobia.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
But it was you actually felt.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Actually I've done it three times, even with Eve. You
know Eve Williams a friend, her mom does it. I
went to Eve's mom. I don't remember too much with experience.
She said that I was out, like I was sleeping
for like an hour to meet for like five minutes.
So I was very confused. And then I did an
actor Nick Xenna Xeno. Nick Xeno, he had a really
(01:40):
close friend that was a hypnotist and he dealt with phobias,
and I said, you know, I have panic attacks when
I'm in the plane. I remember him explaining to me,
if you tap here, if you tap.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
The straight You've done this three times and you still
have the same phobias.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It hasn't work, But I'm sure Sasha will make a word.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Let's talk to Sasha about this. We're going to dive in.
Let's bring her in.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, Hey, Sasha, how are you good?
Speaker 2 (02:05):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
How are you nice? Meeting you? Nice?
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Meeting you guys as well.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Thank you for being with us today on the podcast.
We're excited to talk to you.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
We have so many questions.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
You have no idea because this whole topic is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
We actually started in the intro well before we get
into the hypnosis of it, all our thoughts and everything else.
Just talk about you. What how did you get into hypnosis?
When did you realize you could do it? How does
that even work? Do you have to go to school
for something like that? Is it a gift that you
have naturally? Like a medium that you start to hart like?
How does that work?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Well, you, guys, she's going to talk about her childhood
because everything starts there, the trauma on what happened to you.
So if you're comfortable, we would love to.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Hear about it.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yes, of course, And first of all, thank you so
much for having me on the show. I'm so happy
to hear to be here with you guys. Yeah, for me,
it started way back because when I was five and
my sister three, our mother disappeared. My parents were in
the process of getting a divorce. My father was a
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really abusive alcoholic. My mother had done everything to try
to save him, and she got to the point where
she realized that who she needed to save was us.
So they were in the process of getting a divorce
and because of that, my sister and I were allowed
to sleep with my mom. The night my mom disappeared,
(03:29):
I remember her talking u Sin saying good night, and
in the morning.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
She was gone, oh my god, this in Puerto Rico, Sasha.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yes, my mother was Puerto Rican, my dad Mexican.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, and this is in Puerto Rico.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
No, No, this was here in La and raised in La.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Yeah. And what ended up happening was that they would
ultimately question my father as to her disappearance. And then
my father disappeared. Isn't that crazy? Two days after she
had disappeared, he disappeared, so clearly he became suspect number one.
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Of course, nobodies were identified that match to my mother.
My grandmother ultimately adopted us. Abuela, my grandmother became the
oldest woman in the state of California at that time
to adopt children.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
Abola from mom's side or yes, your mother's side, okay,
your grandmother.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And she was living here in California.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Yes, because she had come to help with us, and
so she was already here when it happened.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So she's raising you. And still nothing like, where did
the investigation go. What was the Let me tell us
about that.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, it went absolutely nowhere because there wasn't a single lead,
So we didn't hear anything about my mother's case for years.
And it wasn't until I went to UCLA and I
was nineteen, and I realized, my god, I'm so different
from all these other kids. You guys know, the Westwood
area is a very affluent area, and here I was,
(05:12):
without parents, without any support, without any money, trying to
figure things out in college. And I decided that I
wanted to know what had happened. So I started asking
family members, and everybody had the same answer, which is,
I don't know. One day I spoke to an uncle
who offered to take me to Mexico and see if
(05:34):
I could find my dad. He said he didn't know
what had happened, but maybe I could.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Get some answers.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
So imagine that I get to the airport and there,
fourteen years after all of this had happened, I see
my father in Mexico.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
You're like twenty, you're what twenty years old?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Now I'm nineteen.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Nineteen at the airport in Mexico.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Yes, So I asked my father what had happened, and
he said, well, what happened? And was that your mom
took off with another man? And I'm as much of
a victim as you are.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And is it true.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I hate you. I hate to ask that question. Did
you believe him at that time?
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yes, yes, I believed him, and in retrospect, you know, honestly,
I had always been a daddy's little girl. I loved
my father, and you know, my grandmother as much as
Abuela did her best with us. Abuela was very old school,
kind of a very strict disciplinarian, and she wasn't affectionate
with us. So I grew up really feeling like I
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didn't have family. So I embraced my father and I
was a part of his life. From there on for
ten years, I was a part of his family. He
had remarried, started to have more kids. I loved my
brothers and sisters.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
What about your little sister, she stayed in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Yes, So my sister was already in law school when
this whole thing, and I told her what had happened
and what he had said, and she never believed them.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
She always had just a bad gut feeling, and she
kind of kept her distance. At one point she kind
of came around for a little bit, but then she
just kept her distance. I think a part of her
wanted to believe it, but then a part of her didn't.
And then I believed until my father's stories started changing
a little here, a little there. And then one day
(07:29):
the same uncle that had taken me to Mexico confessed
to me the truth, which is what my father had
murdered my mother in the same room that we had
been sleeping. And can you imagine.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
While you were not while you were in the room,
or just while we were.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
In the room, like right next to them anything. That's
the thing is my sister and I don't have any recollection.
And now that I am a hypnotherapist and transformational coach,
people always ask me, well, why don't you hypnotize yourself
to remember that? And I always explained, why would I
do that? Why go stirring the pot? You know, it's
(08:08):
about healing, not about living in the past. Why. God.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Yeah, And this was proven not just as your uncle
said it, but the police were involved.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
He confessed. Did your dad finally confessed or so?
Speaker 4 (08:20):
When I confronted my father over the phone, I think
he thought that the phone was tapped and it was
almost as though a switch had gone off, because my
father treated me in a way that he had never
spoken to me and pretty much told me off and
then hung up the phone. And after that I was
focused on getting justice. Nothing was happening because he couldn't
(08:43):
be extradited. Yeah, and then one day I got the
call that he was sick in a hospital and it
looked like he was going to die. His mother called
and said, you need to be here for your father,
and I thought the nerve But you know what, I'm
going to go down there because I want to find
out where my my mother's bodies. So I go down
there and imagine that I have my dad laying in
(09:06):
front of me in this hospital bed, and I asked
him to tell me the truth, and for a brief moment,
it looked like he was going to tell me what
had happened, what he had done, and then he said, no,
you know, that happened a long time ago, and besides,
I've been a good father.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Wow. Was that that was probably enough for you to
get confirmation from him?
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Oh? Yeah, it was enough. And all of his family
members said the same exact thing, because he had told them,
so I absolutely knew what he had done.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
So he told he actually confessed to the whole family
that had murdered your mom, oh yeah, yeah, Wow, what
did he How much information did he give up in
that confession, just just the fact or details of anything.
Did you ever get resolution? Did you ever get closure?
Speaker 4 (09:56):
So my father was at the time, he was a
So my understanding is that he took my mother's body,
he drove past the the border, and he disposed of
our body in such a way where she wouldn't be
able to be idda.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Oh my god, this is unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Not how I thought this was a podcast. This is wild,
Like we are shocked, and thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
I know this is like a movie. This is a movie.
This is like unheard of.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
So what is your relationship with your sister Now?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
I absolutely love my sister. I adore her. We're closer
than ever before. So it's interesting because I'm in the
business of helping people to get past whatever's holding them
back and be at their best. My sister, on the
other hand, is all about getting people justice. She's an
attorney up the San fran.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
You two are a one two punch for sure, with
helping helping the world. So did you obviously not stayed
in touch with your father's side in Mexico anymore? Beyond that,
I'm guessing right.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
Well, you know, the people who had hit, what had happened.
I kept my distance from them for a long time. Recently,
I actually in the last few years, I spoke to
my one uncle and right away he started crying and
he apologized and I forgave him his wife. My aunt
refused to talk to me.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Oh God, And.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I thought, out of the nerve, you know, it's like you,
you don't want to talk to me. You've been lying
to me all these years. You know what, I'm gonna
let it go. God bless her, send her light and love,
and it's okay.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
So you moved, Okay, So you went to Mexico. You
were there for ten years. Then you know the truth.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
You didn't live in Mexico for ten years.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Yeah. Yeah, I was around my father for ten years.
So I was going back to side and forth.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Yeah yeah, this is after college, Like you were going
back and forth establishing that relationship. But you had roots here.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yes, So the hypnosis of it all started as a
personal journey to you for your own healing exactly.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
So the next step after this whole thing had happened,
was that I really needed to heal myself and the
thing is that I was experiencing so much anxiety depression.
I had even lost my faith in something even greater.
I just felt so alone and I felt like God
had really let me down. To be totally honest, and
(12:34):
I was desperate because I was in a bad mental state.
I had gone to see a traditional therapist. I went
to see a psychiatrist. I took the pills. I had
physical ailments because I had migraines, I had shoulder pain,
neck pain, I could barely sleep. I even had hair loss,
and you see, got a lot of hair. And so
(12:54):
I went to see a doctor. He went to give
me the same exact prescription. I went to a second
dog and when he went to give me the same prescription,
that's when I said, I got gutsy and I said,
now you know what the problem is. You don't know
what's going on with me, and that's why you just
want to give me another prescription. And he said, no,
what you don't realize is that you have emotional things
(13:17):
that are causing all of these physical ailments that you have.
And that conversation led to me finding a book on
the body and mind connection, and that's when I found
out about the subconscious mind and something called hypnosis.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
And from the book, and how does that journey go
for a typical I've come encountered. I've encountered different hypnotherapists
throughout my life. I've started in junior high just in
passing you or for fun or like party you hypnosis,
stuff like that. Yeah, you get intrigued through this book,
what does someone do? What is that next step when
(13:56):
you're like, I'm going to study hypnosis and I want
to go all in and I want to learn this craft.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
Yeah, you know, I was already seeing a hypnotherapist for myself,
so I'd gone to see a hypnotherapist. It was working.
I was really feeling the shifts. And one day she
was a little off, but I had already figured out
how she formulated the suggestions, and I started telling her
what suggestions to give me. And she looked at me
and she said, you know, I bet you to make
(14:24):
a great hypnotherapist. And I looked at her and I thought,
I bet you actually would. So she actually put that
little seed in there, and after that, I just, you know,
signed up for hypnotherapy school. Next thing you know, I'm
certified by one and then since I'm such a nerd,
I went and I got certified by another school.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Wow, So what is it? Exactly?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
If somebody's completely cluel is about what is hypnotherapist? What
is it? The most like one to one simple way
to like if you were to teach a kid, what
does that mean? Like?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Yeah? So it is a state of altered consciousness, which
is on a a part of the human condition. It's
absolutely normal. So the goal in a hypnotherapy session is
to make it so that your brain's wavelengths drop, your
mind opens up and is able to really receive positive suggestions.
And what we do is, once we put you in
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this deeply relaxed state, we give your mind suggestions that
are in line with you, completely eliminating whatever it is
that's blocking you and number two retraining the mind. And
the great thing that we do at my offices is
that we also record the sessions for you.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
How do you recognize what's causing the problem? I remember,
It's interesting. I went to one many many many many
years ago, and I remember that when I was under
the state of subconsciousness.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
I guess I don't know how to explain it.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I saw me walking in with a shirt that was
like lemnas like a navy you know, white a navy line,
white line, and how you call that?
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Like? Man? Yes, yes, I.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Was like that, and I was young.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I was maybe ten years old, and I walked in
and my dad was just talking very like as usual,
very like loud to my mom, and I remember vivially
seeing the way I looked and that wardrobe and how
it made me feel, which was like, oh, here we
go again.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I'm scared. I'm gonna go to my bedroom. And I
remember then calling my mom said, Mom, but you remember.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
If I ever had a T shirt that was like this?
And she couldn't remember, But what was that? To this day,
I remember that moment, but I don't know if it
was real.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Oh, I assure you that, I mean, I really do
believe that it was real because the mind took you
there for a reason. It was showing you something about
your childhood that relates with whatever was going on in
your life at that time. So things show up in
your life so that you can heal them. So I'll
give you a really good example. Years ago, I had
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a client that I successfully helped. She brought in her
mom for this really bad fear of flying. When the
woman came in, I asked her what her relaxing place
would be, because that's one of the things that we
crosswire when we do a session to help the person
really relax. The woman said she didn't have a relaxing place,
and I said, okay, how about a moment when you
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where you were really relaxed. She's like none, And I
said how about a happy moment? She said none? And
I said, you're the mother of two daughters. You're telling
me that there hasn't been a single happy moment. She
said no, So I continued, right, I continued, And since
I had been asking her so much those questions, her
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mind on its own went and found a memory that
she had no previous recollection of. She remind she was
able to remember herself in I think it was Guam,
and she saw her living at her aunt and uncle's house.
Her parents were no longer with her. I think her
mom had gone to work in a different country, and
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she was a family members that didn't treat her very well.
And she saw herself outside playing and she said she
had this beautiful yellow dress with flowers on it. And
she said that even though it was dirty. She felt
so happy. That was a happy moment that her mind
went and found.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, that's all happens under hypnosis those moments. Right, you're
talking to her, she's saying no, it's short answers. She's aware,
she's at a state of consciousness, but you're going deeper
into her past communicating with her. And when you get
someone in that state, the goal is, like you said,
to sort of give them affirmation or whatever the verbiage is.
(18:48):
That's going to be repeated and over and over to
try to train the subconsciousness to rewire so when they
come back into full consciousness that the brain isn't hitting
that loop again of whatever dealing.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
With that's right. So what we normally do is we
talk just like this, and we go over what the
person wants to change and how they want things to be,
and then we build a list of suggestions that's what
you're referring to. That are pretty much instructions that we're
going to give the mind so that it starts to
change the way the person sees things, feels about things,
(19:22):
and thinks and as well as behaves. And we give
that person the suggestions and make it so that the
mind is able to really just absorb those.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
But it happens while you are not aware. So when
you're giving all those affirmations or the suggestions, let's say
you have a list of five, I'm under right, you're
treating me, you're giving me the suggestions, my conscious mind
is not listening to it. My subconscious mind is.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
So this is the thing, is that for the majority
of the session you are aware. There's sometimes where you
go a little bit deeper. Sometimes you're a little bit lighter,
next thing, you know, deeper, a little bit lighter, a
little bit deeper. It's it's kind of like a wave
and your mind is absorbing everything during that time frame.
It's like you have a foot in both worlds. And
the goal is to make it so that if your
(20:11):
conscious mind was here and the subconscious was here, you're
aligning them, making it so that everybody is on the
same page. Because a lot of times what happens is
you may know exactly what you want to achieve and
what you need to do to do that, but what
happens is that if your subconscious mind is on a
different page, it'll ultimately always sabotage you.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
So what type of maybe there's different versions of hipo therapy,
because what is the one like again, I've seen it
at parties, right, and it's more for fun. What do
you mean a part like my junior high part, like
a grad party. They brought somebody and they brought all
these kids up in psychic no hypno therapist and then
they go like boom and the kids like huh and
(20:55):
now you know what I mean? And then they make
them do silly things or they make it for fun.
I don't remember doing any of that. And you know
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
I know exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Is that a different form of hypnotherapy or hypnosis? What
is that?
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Yeah? So I guess I should explain the difference between
hypnosis and hypnotherapy. Hypnosis general term that's used for all
forms of hypnosis hypno therapy is the use of hypnosis
as a therapeutic tool. And the stuff that people experience
in shows, that's entertainment hypnosis. So it's totally different from
(21:30):
what we do in our offices, is it?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Oh, it is what it is.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Let me tell you. So I'll tell you how that functions.
Notice that when you go to these shows, they will
bring in a bunch of volunteers. Everybody goes up to
the front. Right. Notice that he's doing all of these tests,
doing all of these things, And what he's doing is
he's weeding out the people that are not naturally as suggestible,
(21:57):
because when you're doing stage show stuff, you need people
that are the most suggestible right then and there because
their minds will go with it.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
But how do you identify that, Like how somebody see
twenty people and know by looking at somebody that one
is a target?
Speaker 1 (22:13):
How do you know that?
Speaker 4 (22:14):
So he doesn't know, So he has to get them
on the stage and then do all of these different
things and see how everybody responds. And then notice that
he keeps making the group smaller, smaller and smaller, till
next to you know, he's he's left with about six
people and those are the most highly suggestible people in
the lot.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Yeah, I got it. That's what I remember. I vaguely
junior high, so I'm vaguely going back and trying to
remember these things, but I do recall it being somewhat
like that. People going up elimination, there was a handful left,
and you would see the ones that were very I
guess suggestible to this whole process, you know, boom, they
were out. They'd snap tap their head and then they'd
(22:54):
have him do funny things and then they'd wake them
back up.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And what is explanation?
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Like I went once, we have a dear friend that
her mother used to practice. I don't know if she's
active anymore. And I remember that I went and she
said that I was not out. That's not the phrase
you used.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
She said that. She asked me, how long do you
think you've been kind of like daydreaming?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And I said, I don't know, five ten minutes, and
she now it's been an hour, And I had no idea.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
How is that possible?
Speaker 4 (23:28):
That is what is called the hypnotic time warp. And
what happens is that when you're in a hypnotic state,
you lose all sense of time, and so it could
be that you feel time a lot longer or shorter.
Normally people will say, oh my god, I thought it
was like five or to ten minutes, but in reality
(23:49):
it was a lot longer.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Oh my god, that's what happened to me.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
If people aren't fully suggestible to hypnosis and the broader scope,
I'm assuming hypnotherapy can't necessarily work. For everyone. You have
to be fully open and willing and wanting to go
to see the process and receive correct like I'm sure
you've had some clients where it just didn't work as
well as other clients.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah, in order for hypnotherapy to work, you have to
want whatever you are coming in for, because honestly, we
navigate your mind, but it's really always you who is
making the changes happen, So there can't be any form
of resistance. You have to be able to flow with
it and really get into it. So this way the
(24:42):
mind can absorb the suggestions. Otherwise it's not happening. So
the person has to be one hundred person on board.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Do you think that every single these seas or ailment
or pain physical pain? Do you think that every single
one is related to some kind of trauma or like
energetically there's something that you're holding into that is manifesting
as a pain. Do you think that's correct?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
I do, And I'll give you a really good example.
A few maybe two years ago, I started experiencing these
really bad hives on my neck, and I thought I
had to do something with pollen. I thought had to
do something with allergies, and it turned out that what
it was was an emotional response to my partner. Every
(25:33):
time he pissed me off, I realized I would start
getting the hives. I would get hot, and I would
start getting the hives. And what happened was that the
moment I was able to start working on those issues
with him, and I was also able to do something
that I call NRT, which is a way of healing
the nervous system, the hives went away. And I've been
(25:57):
clear this whole time.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Now as this is gonna be kind of a funny question,
has it ever been challenging, as you mentioned your partner,
has it ever been challenging having this gift and dating
or being with someone and going you're a hypnotherapist. How
do I know you're not trying to hypnotize me right
now with this conversation and you're getting your way with me?
Has it ever happened where someone's just questioning what you're doing?
Speaker 4 (26:21):
So, to start with, I'll be totally honest with you.
My partner used to be a client. Wow, I helped
cure him of insomnia, and then months later I was
going to the Philippines and I thought, gosh, didn't I didn't.
I have a client that said he knew the ins
(26:42):
and outs of the Philippines, and I thought, oh, that
one guy, Jerry, and I reached out to him and he,
you know, filled me in with all of what I
need to know about the Philippines. And then at one
point he said, gosh, you're gonna have so much fun.
I wish I could go, and I thought, why don't
(27:02):
you go? And he went with me. We have a
nine year old son.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Now, by the way, Oh my god, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
That's amazing a client. I love how that story comes together.
I'm sure you win every argument in the house. You
look them in the eyes and you make them agree
with you.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Usually how many sessions like if somebody like I think
you know this because we have a mutual friend. Your
manager is a good, dear friend, and he knows about
my I share with him about my claustrophobia. I've been
have my my entire life as long as I remember.
But the older that I'm getting, the more aggressive it gets.
It's really interesting. I go in, we work out maybe
(27:43):
you're able to tap into an experience.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I've done it before.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Listen, when I've been to psychics, healers, reincarnation. I've been
to everything trying to figure out why do I have
this like severe phobia. Nothing works, nobody has. The closest
that I've gotten is I'm the youngest of four children.
I have three brothers, and then me and the youngest
(28:07):
one of the boys, which is still five older, five
years older than me. We're very close.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Now, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
But when we were growing up, there was a level
of I don't want to say jealousy, but he was
like the little prince and then the girl came along,
and he always had like a little bit of a
this subconscious resentment, and I was very much a little tomboy.
And we will like wrestle the time. I love boxing
and lucha livre, and he will just we will just
be playing and he will put a pillow on me
(28:35):
and like with like rage, and sometimes I felt that
I'm gonna I'm dying, I'm gonna die. And then my
mom will come in rushing like yo, and we'll like
grab him.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
And it happened a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Of course, nothing happened to me, but I always had
this thing of like I was I remember thinking as
a child ten more seconds, and I think I was
gonna pass out.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
But I don't know if that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Oh, it is it? It is? You know why, because
when you're a kid, Number one, you're highly suggestible. When
we're kids, we are walking and talking sponges. And during
that timeframe, you really perceived that there was a threat
to your life and to your mind, it was a
genuine threat. And the very fact that it kept happening
(29:19):
over and over again it really conditioned that behavior where
you know, you experience this fear of being in like
pretty much smothered. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
I felt like I couldn't breathe.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
That's why when I get into an elevator, if there's
no oxygen, if it's not cold inside the elevator, I
can't even inside a plane. And I used to medicate
myself to be able to fly, and I fly every month.
Now I'm getting better. But if the plane it's not cold,
like I talk, every single fly that I take, I
have to tell the flight attendant you need to put
(29:53):
the ac higher.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I'm getting hot and it could be freezing.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Everybody else is comfortable, but I'm not because I feel
like I need I need to feel cold and I
need to feel air, otherwise I will have a panic attack,
and I'm gonna it's just awful. This is the craziest
feeling about.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Yeah, your mind has already deemed that if you feel
the cold, then that equals safe. But if you don't,
then you're not safe because one of the things that
you experienced when he was smothering you was heat. Think
about it.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yes, right, it's crazy, makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Well, listen, Sasha, how do our listeners learn more? I
know you have a team that you work with. They
want to get in touch with you directly or your team.
Please tell everybody the best way to reach you if
they want to explore this.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Yeah. So my website is Sasha Karon dot com. My
office website is Heal Yourself Therapy dot com. On Instagram
on my English account, I am Sasha Garon as well.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
That's awesome. I hope everybody you know goes and checks
out your site and see if you probably can help
a lot of people, a lot of listeners who are
going and.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
You deal with all kinds of trauma, pain, claustrophobia, divorce.
I mean, it doesn't matter that the pain or the
trauma that you're having, you're able to go in.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
And work at us. Yeah, So the great thing about
hypnotherapy is that we're able to customize, to customize each
session to what the person needs.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
The person has to be in front of you.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
No, we do online sessions all the time. OK. Yeah.
In fact, I have a client who was the daughter
of a president and one day she needed a session
while she was in Europe and I totally hypnotized her,
you know online.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Wow, that's great. All right, everybody check out the website.
Thank you for being on the podcast. A lot of fun.
Appreciate your time.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Your story is incredible. It is incredibly sad.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
But the fact that now you are helping people heal
and you're happily. You know, you're a mom, and you're
so stunning and like life is thriving for you, it's incredible.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
It's incredible blow complain about their issues in the past,
and you're clearly someone who rose completely above it all,
far worse than many people have ever had it. And
you are a true example coming diversity. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
I appreciate that. I really do believe that I'm doing
what I was put on this sarth to do.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Love this Amen.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Well, thank you again, and we look forward to meeting
you at some point. In person when you come to
La and this is great. We're excited, thank you.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
What a story, My goodness, fascinating Cane.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
I did not genuinely think this podcast was going to
start that way. I'm blown away by her strength. Again,
I said that at the end, and I mean it.
So many people complain about things they've gone through, and
you don't. Very few people could hold a candle to
a past like that and overcome it to be a
(32:53):
successful functional not just functional, but delivering help and improving
people's lives.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And so put together and so smart. And the sister
a lawyer.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
You know, it's like incredible, girls, it's an amazing testament
to overcome a adversity.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
You know, it was incredible how God protected those two children.
They don't remember anything. I guess the way the father
performed the murder or whatever. I wonder if the dad
gave them something to make them fall asleep, because I
think the story could have been maybe slightly different if
they actually remember anything all of it. So just the
(33:30):
fact that it's a complete blank canvas is that now
they know the truth, but they don't.
Speaker 1 (33:35):
They don't. They didn't see it, they didn't hear it.
It's wild. I wonder if that it was a saving
grace for them.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
I think so for sure. I'd be far more traumatizing
to have to, you know, see that happening in the
moment and then lie. If you did see it in
the moment, it could have been worse for everybody.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
I know, and everybody knew about it but them. It's like, what,
just awful, It's very I'm so confused.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
Well, great podcast again, thank you everybody for listening. You know
where to find us if you have any questions you
want to send in at h he said a A
d Ho you can d m us or ericinros at
our heeartradio dot com. Until next time, love.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
Me, I love you.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Thanks for listening. Don't forget to write us a review
and tell us what you think.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
If you want to follow us on Instagram, check us
out at he said AJAV or send us an email
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Speaker 1 (34:18):
He said.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
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Speaker 2 (34:23):
See you next time. Bye,
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