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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Rosy, I'm home reality right, I'm home. Okay, this is
he said a VI with Eric Winter and Rosalind fantev

(00:29):
hedn Stan. Yes, mean moy hectic, very very busy day.
So we're like, what a little crazy, because I feel
like you always just make yourself like pseudo busy. Really
you're genuinely business. Show me on a zone, call a

(00:51):
business fun because I'm cooking something. I'm cooking something up serious.
But you guys, and he basically says, I'm doing okay
today she was actually working. But yes, she always acts like, oh,
my dad is so busy. I'm like, what is your
day busy doing. I've been busy on Instagram, I've been busy.
I've been busy in taking care of the family, and
I've been busy developing things. But when this whole thing

(01:12):
is over, we're gonna get some money, dude. I always
feel like she's pretending to be busy for some reason.
There's she's busy. The busiest person I know that's in quarantine,
that's got nothing to be busy about. I'm very busy.
Oh good by lead them. So today's episode, well, we
have a we have a few surprises in store. For
today's show. But one thing we finally finished. I think

(01:34):
our new favorite show how you said again? We said
it again and taken pronouncing a favorite show, Succession, Succession.
She said, Succession. I know Sion Ssion. That show is
bonkers and we have a good guess we have that's

(01:56):
a different a difficult one for me to pronounces. Is
a great friend of mine. Actually I've known her for
since we first started dating, my very first pilot ever.
She's incredible. Um, we have a lot to talk about,
and it's funny because she's a huge Succession fan, so
it ties in. But also I feel like this world

(02:17):
of Succession ties a little bit into our wacky ass
entertainment business that's totally a butt of media Empire. There
are similarities, and all of our studios are owned by
big conglomerates like that. I don't know, there's some wacky
people in our business. We're gonna people. So for those
of you that don't know Succession, check it out. It's
about this incredibly dysfunctional family. And I was talking to

(02:40):
Eric about different topics and dysfunction and uber wealthy. So
I have a question for you. Would you a lot?
Would you have light to be born with that amount
of wealth where everything is absolutely possible, but it will
most likely bring immense disruption between the family because of greed.

(03:01):
When you look at a show like that and the
amount of wealth they have, do you go for a second, Oh, man,
I wish I had all that money. Well, let me
just step back and put on them perspective before I
answer that question, because this ties into wealth and it
puts it in a way that I find so tangible.
First of all, you know, I'm all obsessed. I'm obsessed
with uber facts. Uber facts broke down Bill Gates wealth. Now,

(03:25):
Bill Gates is far wealthier then our boy on succession.
Bill Gates has more dollars than you have seconds left
in your life. I would love to have Bill Gates money.
If Bill Gates spent one million a day, it would
take him about two nine one years to go broke.

(03:47):
I would love to have Bill Gates money. Bill Gates
has given away more than twenty eight billion dollars since
two thousand seven. I would love to have it. Even men,
I'm important family that importankttle and ju Jo. You know jo,

(04:07):
It sounds like a blow job no money anyways, So
but I don't care about your kids. Honestly, do you
know when you look at that show, it's what was wonderful.
We were teaching our kids Sabella, because Sabella has this
tendency to come over me because it mom, we're rich.
Why are you ask him? Be the heat about that? Funny?
As she goes, and then I explained to it the
difference between rich and wealth. So anyways, when you look

(04:30):
at that show, when you look at a show, do
you go, oh, man, I wish I could live like that. Okay,
all that wealth, here's the thing between your Yeah, listen,
I also tell us about it's not about money, It's
about happiness. That's the most important thing in the world.
We didn't explain to her the difference of wealth and
rich because she thinks, I mean, look, every kid thinks
they're rich. She has a piggy bank with two something,

(04:52):
and she thinks there's a millionaire. I don't like discussing
topics like that with kids. I think it's irrelevant and
not important, and then you end up with kids like
you have on six I should spoiled brats um, but
I don't. I don't know if I can compromise all
of that. Mike Love and family and happiness to be.
I just want a piece of that richness. I don't

(05:14):
need that rich so he said, he just wants a
little peace that I don't even You wouldn't be happy,
you would be happy married, how calm? I wouldn't be
happy to marriage. You know how many people, how many
people in this world are married for the money and

(05:34):
they have zero relationship. I'm not saying. I'm not saying
all me, accull me. I'm not saying that I'm marrying
anybody for the money. I'm just saying I would love
to have that amount of wealth. You know, you know
how when the money, but look at the you think
they're all happy in their relationship. Those are two different topics.

(05:55):
I'm not saying that money by his happiness. I'm not
saying that wealthy people don't have issues. Most likely, the
more money, the more problems. So that's how it goes
my money. How do you say that more money, problems,
more money, more problems. So you're saying you would take
the problems I'm saying. I'm saying that I would love

(06:15):
to have that private all the time. I would love
to do at the end of the I want to
travel the girls. I just want to have all that,
like my life doesn't belong to me because you like
to live in experience. I like to live in experience.
I'm coming across off on No, guys, I do understand
that you let me get out of the let me

(06:37):
get out of You said you would take the money
over the problem for for a shore maybe, but anyways,
listen to me. Sacrifice to happy? No, I would be
happy and I have a lot of money because I wouldn't.
I will teach my kids the importance you know what kids,
because you know what happens. There's a there's a Cuban American, no,
fully Cuban family that is very very very wealthy to

(06:59):
please pretty much, oh Miami. You know their music, you
know them. They beloved by a lot of people. They
have a lot of money, and they taught their kids
at a very young age. You want money, you go
work Bill Gates. Yeah, apparently did that with none of
the kids were getting billions. I'll do the same thing. Okay,
doesn't mean that I don't want to have the wasn't
your question? Your question was comparing the family in succession,

(07:22):
Would you sacrifice the happiness and all that drama for
the money. You said, yes, I think you're not. I
want to be happy, miserable. I don't want to have
this function of family, but I don't want to have
with the money. You know, you're dodging the bullets right
now because I think one thing. It was your question,
is it possible to have a family that is that

(07:43):
wealthy and doesn't have that level of this function and
the level of horrible, ugly behavior. I know nothing about
the Gates family, but they don't strike me as the
same as the Roy family. Logan Roy, he's pretty awful.
He's pretty awesome, but he's pretty incredible act. Every single
actor on the show, every single character is perfection. All right,

(08:04):
Well here's a question for you. So I mean, well,
I'm an only child, you know, I mean I have
a half brother, but I grew up and on the child. Um,
you come from a big family. You have a total
of four of you and the family right now. Do
you think there's a favorite in your family? Oh my god,
I don't. Succession is clear that there seems to be
a favorite, but it shifts constantly. Well, he's the love

(08:27):
hate favorite. Uh, we're four where I have three brothers.
I we always thought. Listen. I know my parents loved
each other beyond belief and unconditionally, but it's like very
different relationships. Every single kid has a different relationship with
mom and mom and dad. We I grew up thinking

(08:48):
that the favorite was Georgie, my the youngest one of
the boys. What hit wise? Because Georgie was always like
the super smart, the lighter skin, the very good looking son.
What's that to do with the lighter skin? Where do
you aways say? That's ridiculous? Because thank you my mom? Like,

(09:11):
my mom is very dark as she likes. She likes
light skin. That's why she loves you anyway. And Georgie
was always very quiet and and just like a very
very unique child, and my mom adored adored him. And
Franco was like the the black sheep. Franco was always
like the problematic one. Vieto was already like almost like

(09:35):
an adult when I was born. Georgie was your favorite, Mom,
Maybe I'm wrong. And then then I came and I'm
the only You think you're the second favorite. I think
I'm the first one technically because I'm the girl and
my mom wanted to have a girl, So I I
think you think you're the favorite. You think you're the favorite,
You just dad, you're girl. So my dad thing is

(09:59):
Franko because Franco is like an extension of Franco's the
Black Sheep. My father is a black sheep. So even
though my father acts like like Franco is a problem,
my father will die for Franco. And then Peter has
always been very independent, Peters the doctor. Peter is the
one that is like the voice of reason of the family.
So Peter s Peto. And then Georgie is the favorite.
And then I said you were the favorite because you

(10:22):
were the girl and the queen. Interesting. Interesting, I answer something.
How can how can this always? Um? I think about
this a lot. It's like, how how in saying that
you have like, for example, my family were four the
same upbringing, the same mom saying dad, my parents are

(10:42):
still together for fifty something years and we are all
we're all so different. How is that possible? It freaks
me out. We were seeing it with our kids now.
It's it's the craziest thing how DNA just makes at
their individual when they come out with the soul of
the spirit that's unlike the other one. No matter what
you do, it just shows you that the family side

(11:03):
is one contributing factor that how the kid turns out.
But they're hardwired a certain ways. You know, you just
expand on their hardwired because you can't change what's funny.
I'm like super ambitious. And then Franco one of my brothers,
that is, I love Franco so much. Franco is from
all from the entire family. Franco has the kindest heart,
super love and I just like, like, to me, I

(11:26):
always loved at Franco, like, Franco was always so content.
Is that a word? He's happy with? Franco is. Yeah,
Frank was just content with the same pur of jeans
for two weeks. He doesn't care. I doesn't care. He
just wants to have his beer and be happy and
just watch for my jeans. And you can be s

(11:49):
b s. I mean, yeah, you're like a T shirt
jean kind of guy, which is sad, but no, you
know that Franco anyways. And then you have George that
is always dressed like mint and like super clean, super
metro sexual. And then you have Peter there's also like
super metro sexual with his cigar and very pristine. And
then you have Me that I just with me, Diva. No, listen,

(12:13):
I'm still still an island girl. Oh my god, jose NBC.
Really that just a personal familia. You're an island girl

(12:35):
at your heart when you're sitting there eating a capolia
deep fried and straight up cornmell fried. That when you're
an island girl, and I do the rest of the
times blow dread the hair. Strangers can be high heels
all the time constantly. I'm in I'm in the big city. Also,
look at me, I'm a very dims to not even

(12:56):
to I'm a three or three three three? What character?
I can be an island girl. I can become the
ghett on and I can be very priestine. Yeah that
all baby, like my hair, talented, kinky, curly, wave your
straight however you want it interesting, however I wanted however interesting.
So here this is a trip. Okay, so this is

(13:18):
something you know, this is an interesting piece of conversation. Here.
So there's this couple on the show Shift. She's the
only girl of the family, kind of like you, kind
of like the only girl, and she is the princess,
she's the diva. On her wedding night, she drops the

(13:41):
bomb to her future husband Tom, who's a great character
that she cheated I had an affair and wants to
marry him, but wants an open relationship. So, Princess, are
you joking right now? You're where are we going? What
be this family? You want to have all that money?

(14:02):
I don't want to I don't want to be the
logan our open relationship relationship are choking? What chief did that?
What do you think you can handle that? An open relationship?
Spice it up? Oh my god, I'm speechless right now.

(14:23):
This is really interesting. Let me think about this. They
haven't been sad. They haven't been sad. So what is
the name of the character Tom? Tom acts like he's
okay with it until it's a fan and he realizes
this is not who I am. I'm out? So would
I do that? Would I be like yeah, yeah yeah?
And then when they'd be like, you're disgusting, I'm out.

(14:44):
I don't know. Let me think about giving my answer.
If you give me, let me ask something. So, so,
what are we talking about? You bringing a girl bringing it?
I got to bring a dude in. I'm not. I'm not.
I don't want to do That's not fail that. So
do you want to have an open relationship with just women,
well open, but if I want to see, if I
want to see the little dicky dickie about another guy,
I can't open relationships. Two things. Open relation means you

(15:07):
can go off on your own doesn't necessarily mean having
three sons. You can go off on your own and
just have an affair and it's okay. So they're going
on their own. She also offered a threesome with a
girl and he freaked out. Exactly that's when he freaked out.
So basically what every winter is telling Rosalind, I'm not
telling you. I'm asking you how you would feel about it,
and then I'll take you want to have an open
if you can bring a girl here, does he have

(15:28):
a friend or known what you prefer? And then do
I do everything and you watch or do you watch it?
And I'll be getting involved. Dude, I'm not going to
have any other relationship with you. Nobody about it because
you know it starts fun and then at the end
of the day it breaks marriages. Here's the thing, I okay,

(15:55):
I haven't given my my my answering. I think I'm
more like Tom in this situation. Like in theory, it
sounds oh wow, so exciting and kinky and fun. But
I don't think I can handle it. I actually know
I couldn't. I'm too jealous with that stuff, whether you
had a girl or a guy, because I would be

(16:15):
stressed out the whole time. But if I fall in
love with yeah, well either if you fell if you
fell in love, I mean, listen, It'd be fun for
me at first, but then I'd be like, oh, what
if Rosin likes for more than me? What if Rosin
likes him more than me? Would if you find somebody,
I would have too many securities relationship. This, this conversation
succession prompted this conversation. We talked about it the night

(16:38):
we early. In the mind of my husband, I'm telling you,
I couldn't do it, Okay, I don't think I could
do I know I couldn't do it. I love you
too much. I love you too much. But it was
a fun thing to think about after watching them have
a meltdown. Over they did have a meltdown. It was
a disaster. I don't even if their marriage is going
to survive. I don't think so. Again, the catch twenty

(17:01):
two of it all right, Oh my god, so what
happens if your parents were to get the forced if
you've been I mean, I've been in a situation where
my parents have been divorced obviously and remarried all that,
But could you could you deal with a relationship like
that if you weren't fond of the new spouse. Um,
it's clearly the family doesn't like. I don't know why.
I mean, I know, Eric, because that hasn't been in

(17:22):
my life. Either has open relationships, right, I know, But
I can't even think about if my parents got divorced
and then he remarried somebody or my mom my mom
would my mom would be like like your mom, like
stay single and die single. Um, my father for sure
would have just move on. I don't know. I mean

(17:42):
I think it would have been it's shocking. It doesn't
matter how you look at it. But I do know
I have friends and I don't know how people that
they're actually very fond and love their stepmothers or stepdads.
You know. So I think if you're lucky enough to
to live through an experience that the all the person,
the third person coming in, it's it's a it's a
good human being, you know, and he's respectful of the

(18:04):
kids and tries her best or his best to incorporate
into the family in a healthy way. I think I'll
be fine with them. Now, let's say that they hadn't
you come from a well to do family and you
know that that woman is coming in for the money,
then I would Yeah, I'll be a shift. Having a
stepparent is one of the most difficult things period, unless

(18:26):
you're just blessed with a great situation. Um, I've been
through it. It's tough. You get along when you when
you're more remarried, did you get along with it? It
was tough. It was tough for a lot of years,
you know, with him. No, but close a couple of times,
close a couple of times, but it got Look, there
was ups and downs the whole thing. There was good days,

(18:46):
bad days. But it is tough. It's tough having a stepparent.
And I mean there's some people that it's seamless, and
I admire those people for being like that. My brother Georgie,
the favorite has um no, what am I talking about?
I'm talking about before, But they have a great relationship
though her ex and that whole family is a great relationship.
So the step he's a stepparent Georgie and hey have

(19:07):
a great relationship with it with Paulina. What I mean,
that's the ideal situation in my world. UM. Have you
ever did anybody with a drug problem or or recovering
addict like Kendall Roy? Could you handle that? I love
Kendall Roy. I want to save Candle Roy. I want
to save his life. He's so smart, he's awesome. What
is the name of the actor during Strong? During the Strong,

(19:30):
You're in christ You're based? Um? Did I ever you
know what? Um? Yeah? Yeah, but I didn't know it
until after the fact that all the nose bleats were
probably not because he was an xboxer, is because he
was doing something else and I didn't know he had

(19:51):
an emotional issue and he was taking medication for that. Um.
I was very young, So yeah, I have and it
was brutal. I had a similar experience. And I also
found out I think I think we've talked about this
in the on the podcast. I don't want to be repetitive,
but found out on a first date that she had
just got done with rehab and recovered from a heavy
coke and speed addiction and smoking cigarettes. What is speed

(20:14):
another type of drubs um, and I thought, oh wow, okay,
I I thought I could help fix. I became what
you call as controlling because I tried to help her
stop smoking and be healthier. It was deemed as I

(20:35):
was controlling trying to help. There you go, that's what
you get with that. Anyways, this show, I mean, look,
we can go on and on about all the problems
in this family. I mean the one you know, one
other topic we were laughing about is the older brother
who started dating a hooker and falls for the hooker.
The family, classy, good looking, whole family falls Verseu's super cool,

(20:58):
and he wants it to be a serious relationship. I mean,
have any of your They don't accept it. What do
you mean, dia for it? They don't know. They the
whole family knows. I'm sorry, the whole family knows that
she's a called girl, but he wants to take it
to the next step and wants her to be like
in a serious relationship. And seeing that dynamic plot, how
that is? I mean, I again, I don't really have
any siblings to compare to. But if one of your

(21:21):
brothers was dating a call girl and I wanted to
bring her home to the house. How would you treat
the call girl me, Yeah, if you knew she was
a call girl, but she was super nice and super cool,
would you be sweet back or would you be obvious
way back? I don't think my parents will handle it.
I will not like it, but let me judge her
as a human being instead of what she does her living.

(21:44):
And it is what it is, what it is. What
am I going to tell my brother not to do it?
That surprises? And I'm not I'm not joking, So I
don't know. I wouldn't be my preference. I'd rather than
him date somebody else. But at the end of the day,
it's all about what's inside, beautiful within from within this
sounds like I know, I don't know. I think I'll
be whatever. I just have to meet her and I

(22:04):
would judge to my decision according accordingly. So you'd be cool.
Like if if your brother came over to the house
with this hooker and our kids are here, and you know,
she's a hooker, and everybody's hanging out and she's super
sweet and loving and she's playing her all the kids
and um, and then she's hanging out with me in
the back and we're like having drinks and we're chatting,
and he's asking if I would have a problem if

(22:25):
one of my brother's dates are called girl on an
escort or a hooker like in succession, like in yeah, succession,
And then that girl comes to our house and playing
with the kids. She sitting in the backyard with me
and we're just having it. She doesn't have to be
next to you, but she's she's kind, sweet, and she's
cool to my kids. I'm fine because she's she's a
human being. She's going to be your water around, you know.

(22:48):
So I can't talk to your sister in law. I
would just have to see her behavior on how she
deals with the way she looks at you that we
should talk to you like a drinker. I need to
listen energy and vibe. I have to see the vibe
and then I'll act accordingly. Is that all right? So
we're gonna take a little break, and when we come back,
my dear friend matent Ammick is joining us X, which

(23:11):
is of Eastern Cast member, all around talented actress, mom wife.
She's the bomb. She's been in the business for how
long forever? So we'll be right back with major as

(23:31):
I said we were gonna come back with my good
friend Main Ammick, who I am super excited to have
on our show. Main. Okay, First of all, your demographic
goes across like I don't know how many generations. Let's
talk about you started with Twin Peaks from Forever Ago
and Peaks Revival, Damages, Californiaication, gossip Girl, which is of

(23:57):
East End, and now like the hottest on the c
W period, Riverdale. It's yeah. I feel like every age
group knows exactly who you are, has been with you
through your whole journey since the beginning. My fans are
you know what, here's the thing. My fans starting diapers

(24:18):
and they end in direct perfect I got the whole
thing true. It's so true and what people may not
know so mation as like a veteran actress was a
part of a show that we It was my very
first pilot, like real TV experience ever. A show called

(24:38):
Viva was my first pilot, first pilot, two series, first
anything like that other than like a guest stars and
stuff like that. We did a show called Viva Laughlin
back when movie stars like Hugh Jackman weren't even doing
television yet. He was our executive producer. He was starring
in our show. We had to sing and dance. Yeah.

(24:59):
We I thought it was such a kick ass show
and it just came out on the wrong network at
the wrong time and it got Yeah. I never forget
your calling me saying you were half in makeup, half
your face done, and we got canceled. I was. I
was there like getting ready for the day. I literally had, like,
you know, hair was kind of like in tin curls.

(25:20):
Half my face was on and we had a guest
star that had been filming during the beginning of the
day and then he came in and he was like
wiping off all of his makeup and he was like, oh, well,
I guess it was a good run. And I was like,
you know, I think it was. Wasn't Nicholas Gonzalez And

(25:43):
he was like, yeah, yeah, they canceled us. It was
this was even before like lunch, like lunch break, and
he was like, yeah, they canceled us. I was like,
you're really funny, that's cute, and he goes, oh, you
didn't hear, and I was like no, And then I
started like, um, guys, hello anybody, and yeah, we were
we aired what one, two, two episodes and then we

(26:07):
were we were gone. Thankfully we got canceled before my
singing debut because I sang an episode three. I think
were staying together. It was in excess. Oh no, believe me,
Like this was like it was. The inspiration was Singing Detective,

(26:27):
which was brilliant. Yes, I don't know if you did
you ever see I thought it was I thought it
was black well, so so it started at Singing Detective.
Viva Blackpool was then like reincarnation of Singing Detective, and
then we were copying Viva black so it was like
a third third generation of like the singing show it

(26:51):
was but then but it was like before anybody was
ready to accept that in it was so brilliantly done,
you know in British television. But you know, we couldn't figure.
But I was. I was the same thing. I breathed
such a sigh of relief. I was like, oh, but
thank god we got canceled before the singing debut. Thought
the same thing. I was like, well, no one gotta

(27:12):
hear my voice because I don't know how. And then
from then you obviously we both went off and did
their own things, and then we reunited quite a few
years later. Nine years later, I feel like something like that. Maybe, yeah,
more than that. Eight and Sabella was just born. Yeah,
so like yeah, nine years oh yeah she was born. Well,
so I remember when we were filming Viva Laughlin. Do

(27:35):
you remember me begging you constantly keep yes. I was like, oh,
they're going to mean the most beautiful humans ever, please
and then and then you had them. You called it then,
and then a bunch of years later it happened. Did
it happened? We did? We did, which is a vista

(27:55):
and again we did two seasons, got the acts after
two seasons. But we had a lot of fun, made
some lifelong friends. Yeah, no, we had. That was a
great show. We have a lot so many avid fans
still from that, trying to get a revival to happen
so long. I think we got to do something, you know,
we have to keep We have to do at least
a movie, you know, like a two hour I'm with you,

(28:17):
We're gonna put that together. That's gonna do. The next
thing you talked that I talked to. I talk to
Maggie about it, who said she had talked to Jenna
about it in the past and so I asked Jenna
how far she got and I was like, it was
tough with the studio. So I tried to talk to
the studio. I was just trying to see what we
could find out, and it's we can consolidate our efforts
and maybe we can make something happen. But what made

(28:37):
it worse is that literally the moment after they canceled us,
the head of the network was doing press for some
other project and they immediately asked him, like, why did
you cancel which is at least in and he said,
you know what, I really regret it, like the day
after and yeah, but like once they cancel it, then
they released writes and you know get that remember reading

(28:59):
that is worse than Yeah, he regretted it. He was like,
I shouldn't have made that decision. I should have hung
on longer. My the path this whole business will take
you on. Now, one thing that we wanted to ask
you and Ross and I were looking at this and
I didn't even know this. Is it true that you
dropped out of school at high school at sixteen to
pursue acting that true story? Yes, So growing up in Reno,

(29:23):
Nevada was interesting and um so I made a plan
at fourteen that I was going to get the staff
out of there. And so um, I loved, you know, movies.
I wanted to become an actress. I wanted to I

(29:43):
started started like studying people, and it seemed like everybody
started really young. So I was like, oh, well, I
gotta get going there. That's good excuse to get out
of Reno, Nevada. So I went to my parents with
a plan. At fourteen, and I had come down to
visit my sister who was doing hair in l A.
I just visited her briefly, and while I was here,

(30:05):
I took took advantage and I went and I walked
into Elite Models and said, well, you'd already done like
photo shoots and things. I walked in and this this
agent at Elite Elizabeth. She was like, you know, second
senior agent kind of thing. So she had some cloud
but not final say and she said, okay, you're fourteen

(30:28):
and you're not even five six. She said, we don't
even see people, you know, unless they're five eight. She said,
but I have a feeling about you, and I'm willing
to take a chance. I think that you you can
get work. Come back at sixteen, emancipated and I'll represent you.
So then I went back to my parents and I

(30:49):
had this whole plan laid out and um, they like,
I wasn't a trial that was like, oh, I'm want
to do this, I want to do that. Like I
was pretty like focused and driven. So what I came
to them with this, They were like, Okay, I think
we got to figure this out because there's no stopping
or so if we don't go along with it, she's
just gonna leave. So I got emancipated. I came back

(31:10):
to l A at sixteen. I went to the Screen
Actors Guild and looked on the corkboard for people renting rooms.
We found an older acting coach couple that we're renting
a room. They seemed safe and cool and um. And
then from there I got a commercial agent and then
a theatrical agent. But I was from like eight in

(31:30):
the morning to eight at night going on go see
after see you know, music videos, commercials, prit work, anything
that I could to pay the bills. Oh, I made
them a deal if I if I can't pay my
bills within a year, I'll come back home and finish school.
So I was I was driven. My mom just told me, like,

(31:51):
not too long ago, we were frominiscing and talking about stuff,
and she said that you know that you were paying
for yourself it within three months and you paid me
back in thing that I kind of fronted to you
within a year. That's incredible. I continued school though. I
was going to Hollywood High doing getting my g e D.
You know, going in taking my tests, your graduate I

(32:13):
was ready to go. So I graduated. Let me ask
you this, as a mom of two, if either of
your kids were to say, okay, mom, I want to
drop out, even if they said I know what I
want to do. This is my passion, especially now that
we know how hard this business is, Like, this is

(32:35):
my passion. I want to be an actress. We'll see.
That's that's the problem is that I now have this,
you know, Oh gosh, what is that. I started in
eight seven, so thirty three years in the business, right,
and so I know how hard it is. So now
that I have all that knowledge, you know. So they

(32:56):
both started talking about wanting to do music and wanting
to get into acting, and I was like, that's fine,
but you got to get a calling. And they're both
incredibly talent. What about what about you? Eric? Would you
be comfortably? I can answer that right now. Really, there's
no there's no way. She's more like both of your
kids are pursuing, you know, entertainment paths, and they both

(33:18):
mean amazing voice rapping. I mean they're both are super talented.
I mean, you'll be your husband's a musician as well.
You're an actor, and you guys have all that in
your families and the jeans, but and I don't know,
I'm pretty confident about it. I'm not sure that's what
she's gonna end up doing. I don't know. Maybe we're wrong,
but I what should be the next mil stream on you?

(33:39):
I don't think so. Though I will love that, I
don't think so. I don't think so. I was hoping
for a dance. Aren't gonna listen. I danced my whole life.
Maybe I can get And then I quit ballet because
it was too difficult and there was no money in
l A. And I was hoping, you know what, when
I have a girl, she's gonna be a figure skater?
Is the closest thing to like like a Mallerina, right,
or like a Moullerena And she's been dance since she

(34:01):
started like a three and a half and she's still
doing it twice a week. But I don't have anybody.
She's super sports driven. She's great, great tomboy sports skills.
But yes, because she really cares. I'm with you, like
what we know about the business. There's no way I
would let either of them drop out of high school.
No way. And even then I would be like you

(34:24):
probably in saying the college is non negotiable. You're going
to go to college, you get a degree. Do you
want to pursue something on the side while you're in college,
go for it. We'll support you, but you're going to
get You need some kind of foundation when all the
is the fans you can get. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
I have a ballet background too. I started dance when
I was like you know, I started tap when I

(34:45):
could barely stand, and then I went into ballet. My
first dream has become a Premia ballerina. And I visited
I had an older step sister. She was beautiful ballerina,
and um, she tried to make it happen in New York,
and you know, she just would tell me all these
stories about like just how hard it was and how

(35:05):
hard it was on your body, and I was like
when at some point I just was like, I guess
I can't pursue this anymore. But I had, you know,
I had entertainment in my blood, so I had to
figure out what happened to me. To me, it was
like dancing a point. I love it and I think
it's a dream every time I see anybody doing it.
But it was too painful for me. And then the
dedication was too out of control. And I knew that

(35:27):
then Okay, if i'm then what's next? What's next? You know? On?
But I do know I have an artistic thing I
want to be part of. I want to be a performer,
but it ain't gonna be ballet. You know about YouTube
a lot in common when it comes to that, because
you guys both clear vision. You both knew you wanted
to do entertainment. There was no questions asked dance background,
and then both of you naturally or gradually just graduate

(35:50):
graduated into being directors. Both of you pursued this passion
of changing your career path in a way. You're still
doing your acting, but I know how much of a
path directing this for you Machin and I know for
you Ros what you're discovering from it. I mean, did
you ever foresee that as that was part of the
plan or this is something you started to both of
you know, I think it's I think I started bubbling, like,

(36:13):
uh yeah. David Lynch was my mentor. Like, how lucky
was I that my first indoctrination into the business was
watching a master at work, a pure master that changed television,
that came from a you know, endless creative vision with
no boundaries, And that was like, I'm so fortunate for

(36:36):
that to have been my my beginning of my career
because then I went into you know, I got the
pilot for Twin Peaks when I was eighteen and um,
and then you know, we finally went to series, but
we only had a season and a half. It was
only the first season was only seven episodes, a second

(36:56):
when was twenty two, um, and that of course the
network didn't accepted and hated it because David wouldn't follow
any rules, so they just buried it. But I then
went into the business, and I have to say, in
my mid twenties it was really really hard for me.
I almost had to come to terms with that I

(37:17):
really want to do this because I started. Then I
went into the big bad world of Hollywood and all
of the rules and all of this complete chaos and
no real like uh you know ladder that you can
follow or certain rules that you can follow, and and
and even through that too, like you know, you've got
to talk about what it's like for a young girl
coming into Hollywood and stuff that I was coming up against,

(37:39):
the choices I had to make to keep my integrity
and um yeah, definitely so um I would say. In
my mid twenties, I realized that when I read a script,
it's really super visual for me, and it became something
that was like good because it inspired me to get
through the project. But I learned pretty quickly that my

(38:01):
vision was a lot more optimistic than what like, So
I had to start reading scripts on Okay, I got
a picture, what's the worst version of this? And then
am I okay doing this? You know project that was
my like showed me like, oh okay, there is an
avenue here. But I was so busy just making ends
meet being an actress that I felt like I didn't

(38:21):
really have the time or I had the funds to
dedicate to directing because it takes up so much of
your time. But it kind of got to a point
just within our lives um and with like a mental
illness hit our family, that I started realizing that it
was a creative outlet to help others and I had
a platform to help others, and it like lit this

(38:43):
fire in me that Okay, I need to start making
my own content. I have a voice, I have something
I want to say. So within I'd say maybe the
last ten years is when I was like, no, I'm
going to get behind the camera. I love being in
front of the camera, but I got to get behind
the camera. I got, I got other things. I love it.
I love it. He was to the season finale of Riverdale.

(39:03):
You directed that episode, which was incredible. One thing I
want to go back to for a second is we
you know, we were just talking about I know you're
a big fan of Succession. I know you love the
show as well. You're talking about how up and dysfunctional
that world is having so much money and how screwed
up a family can be. And then in a way,
I was like, this relates to our business a lot,
because our business is so funked up. And even though

(39:25):
it can turn out really well for some people, and
some people can make a lot of money, some people
make very little money, it's still a really left up
world that we sort of all work in thirty three
years in the business ros and you've got twenty five
or something as well. Right, it's like the stories as
just as actresses, as women, I mean just even me

(39:47):
even not not talking like me two types off, but
just horrific treatment by older actors treating young actors, Like
when you come on a set and they act like
you're nobody and like they were never in your position
at any point. I don't want to support you, you know,
you know what happened to me, Like we're gonna, of
course talk about you, but it's so funny. Um. And
I was thinking about this the other day. My first
job in English was when I moved to New York

(40:10):
to do musical theater because I wanted to sing and
dance and act. My my, the reason I came here
to the States was because my vision was to do Broadaway,
you know, That's what I wanted. And then, funny enough,
I've done everything but that. Um. But I remember my
first gig was as the World Turns. I did a
stop for a year and there was a lady I
don't even remember her name, but she was like the
matriarch of the shop. She wants several Emmy's, you know.

(40:33):
She was like beloved. I don't even know if she's alive.
She was more sure than me, um, like the Susan
Luci of As the World Turns. And I was so
incredibly excited that I was gonna be able to do
scenes with this woman. So I get the gig. It's
a three year contract. I only did one year, and
I'll never forget. This is me my first job ever,

(40:54):
you know, in English, And we're blocking, and we're rehearsing
and we're doing the scene. So we blocked everything and
then she goes, excuse me, can we do it again?
And this time can you speak English? Oh my god?
And the scene was in English, and I remember that
it was. I was like, did I hear correctly? I

(41:14):
was so intimidated. I died inside right And I was like,
oh yeah, oh I mean and God bless me. I
was what twenty one, twenty two years old. If that
happens now, I'll sure listen to my head. It would
happen like donkey, I stayed and I remember going back

(41:35):
to my apartment that night crying and saying, was I
should I have said something? Was that? That was just disrespectful?
Here right? It was? And nobody said anything. Nobody protected me,
you know, And I'm going that was my welcome party
within the acting world. Can we do it again? In English?
When I was clearly spinning, how crazy have you had

(41:56):
anything like that? Major? And You're just like, we're an
actor fully just offended you like a woman who was
just horrible to you. Oh my gosh, I mean, how
long is your podcast? Here was a couple of stories.
I'll tell you what about me too. Um well, there's
two in particular. I would say kind of like really

(42:17):
like take the cake and really you know. So I
was auditioning for a movie. This was before Tune Peaks.
This was like I was doing bit parts here and
there and kind of working my way up. And it
was a movie that starred Denzel Washington and Bob Hoskins
and it was about a heart transplant. I forget, I
forget the name of it, but um so there was

(42:38):
sort of like, um, a supporting character that they one
of them. I think it might have been Bob Hoskins
was like searching for I don't know if it was
his daughter and she was like kidnapped and and being
held by the drug dealers or I don't remember exactly
what the story line was, but I remember that I
got really far in the in the audition process, and

(42:58):
then I got a call from my age and they said,
they really really like you and they want to They
want to cast you, so they want you to get
a boob job because the character runs around in a
bikini talking short to the entire film. And I was like, uh,
you know, I'm like sixteen, sixteen seventeen. I'm like, uh no.

(43:22):
And they said, oh no, no, no, don't worry, they'll
pay for it. My agents, my agents said no, no, no,
don't worry. This is how you can. You can have
this job. They'll pay for it. I was like, no,
they either want me because I thought I was a
good actor, and then I think this is something like
it must be just inside of us. It's probably the
same reason why when that happened to you, Roz, you
didn't stop. It didn't scare you off. There's something with

(43:45):
with with us when they come up across uh, like
you know, challenge, You're you either dig down and you're
like you know, Calice where um, and then you continue on,

(44:06):
you know, like in spite of them, or you're just like, wow,
this isn't for me. So I was like, no, they're
either going to hire me, you know, because they thought
I was right for the party they liked what I did,
or not if they just want to prepare you know, tits,
go hire something else. They did. Um. The other one
was I was doing a show that didn't last long
because the l A riots happened and they canceled this early. Um.

(44:30):
But there was an older, established actress, uh that we
all know well. But it was pretty much like a
four person lead show and she was you know, she's
she's the veteran, she's the bigger name. And I came
in and the network was wanting to focus a little

(44:51):
bit more on my character because it was kind of
the good, juicy character. I was a spy and you know,
the hot blonde kind of thing. And little by little,
like I started realizing that the hair dresser was like, oh, yeah,
we so we need to put your hair up. Uh,
so we're putting your hair up and then you know,
somebody else was like, okay, so you're gonna these are
you know, your choices of clothes, and I was like,

(45:11):
but that doesn't make sense to what we established. And
I finally got worried because somebody in the war Drobe
department said, just so you know, our lead actress is
controlling your look because she doesn't want you to shine.
So she was mandating that, you know, to just dress
me down as much as possible, put my hair up
in a bun, put his many, you know, clothes on,

(45:32):
and I just was like, are you kidding me? So
I was like, well, Loo, that doesn't make sense. I'm
just gonna We're gonna do whatever right for the part.
So um I remember they once again they were like, okay,
we gotta put your hair up, and I was like,
but we've already shot the scene that this immediately cuts to.
Makes no sense that I would have my hair up,

(45:54):
and so I was basically refusing to do it, and
the director came knocking on my door, came into my
trailer instead, I just really need you to wear your
hair up in this and I was like, but it
makes no sense, and we literally a cutting from I'm
a spy. I'm driving the getaway car. Why you know,
like like hair change like makes no sense. And he says, well,

(46:16):
look what I'm gonna have you do is I'm just
gonna have you in this scene. I'm gonna have you
like twist your hair like in the scene and just
put it up and then that would be the good
transition and cut. And I was like, huh, so, why
are you deciding this this needs to happen? And he's like, oh,
I just think it's the character would do this. And
I was like, really okay, So I went, but but

(46:41):
like you know, I'm making plans in my head. So
I go, I twist my hair up in the scene.
We do the scene, we drive off. We then cut
to I think maybe the next day. We're doing this
really intricate long walk and talk through this just this
huge gala scene. We've got like a legendary actor that
I'm walking and talking with and we're going through and

(47:02):
we're talking and we're hi, hello, Hi, and I so
in the scene cut my hair up. We're talking and
it's is pretty long scene, and so little by little
I'm taking my hairpins out of my hair while we're
talking in the scene and then it's weaken to the
end and I like looked my hair at the end
and the direct yes, And the director came over. He

(47:29):
was like, mat, what are you doing? And I was like,
that's what the character does, right, And so he was like,
don't do this again. I swear to god, I don't
put my hair back up. We did a second take.
It was like the middle of the night. It's probably
like two am. We have to get the shot. Second take.
I did the same thing again. I got to the end, cut, cut, wrap,

(47:53):
pulls me aside and he's like, you know, you can't,
you know, put this this and notice, And I said,
you know what, just be honest with me. Tell me
that your lead actress is tripping. Tell me what's going on,
and together we can try to figure something out. Don't
come to me and tell me that this is what
the character does. That's because we can do this all
series if you'd like. So, you know, again, you know,

(48:15):
I'm twenty two at this point. But I'm like, guys,
come on, that's not so. It was stuff like that
I had experience probably when I you know, I haven't
had that many horrible experiences, but I had one I'll
make it fast, but I even say the name, I
don't give. I did my first one of my early
guest stars ever on the CW Funny Enough. Um. It

(48:36):
was a show called Just Legal with Jay Brashelle and
Don Johnson, and I went to go to set. I
was playing this guy who, like I was a teacher's
assistant who harassed someone. And anyways, I get to set
this first day of working and I'm working with Don
and and Jay, and I see Don tell out loud
of the director. He is like, look, you got two
takes at this two takes. I'm out. I never you know,

(49:00):
I've done a couple of guest stars. I'm just like
sort of seeing what's going on. And surely the director
looks like this is never gonna happen. Two takes, but
okay does one does too. Don says, okay, thank you
very much, I'm out, just leaves the set. Directors like, oh,
but I'm not dying. Is that I told you? You
got two takes? Walks off. We have to figure out
how to shoot the scene now around him not being there.

(49:20):
Cut to like five, at five days into shooting, my
last day of work. It's the whole culmination the payoff
of like my character being charged with this harassment and
I'm gonna go to jail. That's in front of my parents.
There's like six or seven of us on the scene.
I have this whole sort of like monologue speech that
I have to say that's going to pay off the
whole struggle for my character. And when it comes to

(49:40):
my coverage, Don says, well, I'm done. Everybody else can
go ahead and go home. And they brought in all
the stand ins with scripts in front of their hands
to read everybody's part while I did my coverage on camera.
I had never experienced of seeing it, Like my life
was like, why is it? Huh, everybody's going home. He

(50:03):
just purposefully dismissed everybody so they could go home, so
I could just struggle and have to do this with
no actors. Well, Nash Bridges, he didn't work Mondays or Fridays.
I know a lot of actors who have that dream
schedule and that's not bad. That's actually only work these
days three days a week or two days a week,
which is awesome. I had. I didn't know that the actor,

(50:24):
the actor I played, his wife told me the second
and walk into set, you have to refer to me
as my character and talk to me like on my character.
And I was like, okay, so it at the beginning,
I thought it was funny. Then I thought it was
so self indulgent because listen, and I understand everybody's process
and I respected and I'm all about method, and you

(50:44):
do what you have to do to make it right,
you know. But it was a very simple movie. You're
playing yourself. It wasn't that complicated. And this whole thing
about like ros coming to my trailer, you want to
have lunch and I will actually have lunch with this
human being talking to him like he's his character. I
was like, what, I like, stupid? You know what I
mean that I'm just gonna do, you know, doing shop

(51:06):
some You know that you're playing a mentally challenge, you
know what I mean, Like, I get it. You want
to do I want to be you know. There are
so many crazy stories that people come across in this business,
and even when I'm at work on my current show,
we joke and we like love to share stories about
all of our different experiences with people throughout the business.

(51:27):
And I remember this one prop guy telling me a
story of a show, big show and I can't say
the name of this, but big show that he was
working on. And this lead actress um had a flight
to catch. She had to go to some some island
for something that she had to do. They called her
for work. It was a night shoot. It's like midnight.
They've lit everything. She shows up, She's pissed. She does
all her hair and makeup, gets ready for set. Everybody's

(51:48):
out there like at midnight, ready to start the scene.
They're calling version, not coming thirty minutes, goes by, hour,
goes by there, knocking the trailer, not coming to us,
like just you can open the door, like, have her
come out. She left, gotten her car, drove to the airport,
caught the flight and left. Hair maker Freddy he's already gone. Well,
everyone was sitting on set waiting to shoot. Didn't tell

(52:10):
anyone's she still working? Probably this is what happens. This
is about this business, right, they condoned but behavior, It
doesn't matter what you do, how disrespectful you are. It
doesn't really matter if you're hot at the moment. If
you think they think you're a commodity or it's all
about numbers, they will employ you over it. Is getting better,

(52:30):
though it was way worse. People in this business get
away with I don't know. I don't know, they get
away with everything. Yeah, all right, So another thing before
we let you go. So one thing we also have
in common is you are in by racial relationship. Your
husband African American. You guys been together for how long?

(52:52):
We met in in seven? Yeah, we met right after.
It's funny. I had moved to l a in eighties
seven and we met like right right at the end
of eighty seven. Um, but I had no interest. I
was so driven. I was like, no, I'm not dating
any and a musician, and yeah, I mad him. I
was looking at um at the apartment building across the

(53:16):
street from where I was living, and he he was
like waiting in the lobby and we're both like waiting
for the apartment manager. And I just was like, oh,
I never see anybody is so beautiful in the live
And we struck up a conversation and then um I
ended up um uh moving in and deciding to move

(53:36):
into that apartment building. I wonder why, and um the
apartment manager had told him, Oh, hey, I want you
to meet this you know girl that's moving into the building,
she because she was always trying to like, look, you know,
hook him up with people. And she's like, you know,
she's a model and you know, young and cute, and
he was like no, because he was like done with
being like hooked up. He's like, I'm not interested. So
then she gets back to me and says, oh, I

(53:57):
talked to David by the way, and he's not interested.
And then I was like, oh wait, so I literally
avoided him, like I would take my trash out and
run around a corner if he was coming, you know,
my way kind of thing. And finally we ended up
talking and he didn't know that that's who she was
talking about. But yeah, all these years later, two kids

(54:19):
plugging away with a great marriage. We talked about this
on the podcast all the time, like it's we've been
together for this is going to be your married and
it's like that, you know, you've got to always keep
things fresh and interesting and and push the boundaries of
your relationship because it's you know, at the end of
the day, it's it's a job to some degree. I
don't want to make it sound more. He asked me

(54:39):
right before we had you because we were talking about
a session about this function of family and things, and
you know how shiv Um presented to Tom on the
wedding night. Um, just so you know, you know, I've
been cheating and I want to have an open relationship.
You want was asking me, would you be comfortable if
I tell you, oh my god that she was fun

(55:03):
and saying, you know what, I'm too Joe's I don't
think I can handle that? Was what if you fall
in love with him? All that? Fans ask of the
day you guys have watched porn together together, We're like,
I don't know whatever. Yeah, yeah, definitely no, you have

(55:23):
to like we go on date nights. Um, I think too.
You know, we're both like really very strong personalities like
you guys, but you know, opposite to direct, right, So
I love like, you can never tell me to do anything.
I have to choose to do it. Very I'm a
classic sagittarian, you know. But at the same time, I

(55:46):
demand that you're going to be loyal to me and
you know, understand me and give me my space. And
he's a tourist and he's super like grounded and just
kind of like I think he just kind of watches
me flit about and just kind of laughed to himself, like, yeah,
she's crazy, she'll come back, and so she'll come back.

(56:09):
It's fine. But you know, we like I also think
it's also like finding space apart, Like he loves to golf,
He'll go off for hours golfing. You know. I like
to go out and you know, meet friends doing you know,
for lunch or whatever. I fly in film I've gone
for all the times. Have you ever feels like your
challenge because that's one thing that I don't think Rise
and I we always struggle with. We don't do long

(56:29):
distance as much well, and that's one thing that we
always struggle with. Try to get better at it. But um,
Skype sex sex the one that's going to be the
new one, the less Skype sex see, because I mean,

(56:53):
you can be creative just on the phone when you
do fun sex, but you know, sometimes you gotta show
a little some something, so you got to bring some
video into it. Very requests pictures like you send me
a picture, Can you send me a picture of that?
You know what something? Oh my god, yeah, that's right.
Well before we let you go, you know, I know

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you are a major advocate of of mental health and
you're you're pushing a lot, and I know it's a
something you've been dealing with within your family for a
long time, and speaking out and representing, um is thatthing
you want to add to that as far as awareness goes,
and it's a battle that you keep pushing forward on. Yeah,
it's I mean, just in general, I just I'm trying

(57:35):
to get you know, I'm I'm just sharing my story
openly so that other people don't feel there alone. But
our son was just beginning a sophomore year of college.
He witnessed, uh, something traumatic at college and it seems
to be what the trigger was that brought out his
mental illness. But I mean it took it took years
to figure out what was going on, and it sort

(57:57):
of seemed like substance abuse at first. You know, now
in hindsight you look at and go, oh, that was
self medication. Um, but it was like a really in
fact when we were doing much as at East End,
it was still really new and yeah, I had a
hard hard time dealing with it, and um, you know,
you guys were so great and supportive for me just

(58:18):
just being away and being a mess and you know
all that stuff. But um, it's something that I immediately
as we were navigating and you're running into so many
challenges in the in the mental health world. UM finding
out didn't know this that Screen Actors Guild. At the time,
this is before Obamacare came in and changed our policies.

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Thank goodness, there was no mental health care whatsoever, no
benefits at all for mental health through our insurance plan.
So everything that we were doing and they were like
long you know, hospital visits, trying to find long term
treatment plants. Nothing, nothing's provided, and there's no real support resource,
says UM. There is one nami UM, which is National

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Alliance of Mental Illness, and it's like a big organization.
They were very helpful in that you can go on
their website learn about different disorders and it kind of
gives you a little bit of a road map. But
it's not it's not adequate. So as we went through
as I called hospitals begging them to take my son
um and being told no over and over and over again,

(59:27):
him being turned away from the hospital too early. And
this is when we lose. We lose people. They're not
stable enough. They shouldn't be sent back to the streets
or back home when when the family is not you know,
they can't handle it. Sometimes when you're in a um uh,
when you're in mania, pure mania, and you're in psychosis,

(59:48):
no one can really handle that. You have to keep
you know, that that patient, that person safe. So as
I navigated it, I realized UM. First of all, I
was not embarrassed why soever. It was not something I
felt like I needed to hide. And I was like,
anything that I learned along this path, I have to
share it with other people. If I can to make
a difference to one other family, that's you know, it's

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going to be huge. Because it was sitting in those
like waiting rooms and talking to other families and learning
just little bits and pieces here and there what you
could do to help your loved one. So once we
kind of got past the real acute critical stage UM,
I had run across I had worked with Glenn Close
on damages, and I had seen that she started becoming

(01:00:34):
very um spreading the word about mental health and mental
health awareness, and so somehow I got connected to I
just reached out to her basically and said, I want
to help you in any way that I can. I
be anything I can do. You know, this is personal
to me as well. It ends up that she has
a sister who is finally diagnosed at age fifty with
bipolar disorder. And this was like a just she's brilliant,

(01:00:58):
she's charismatic, but just seemed always self sabotage right before
she would like land some amazing career opportunity. And the
sister ended up finding out because her son was struggling
and he was finally diagnosed let schizo effective disorder, and
she started realizing like, oh, that sounds familiar. That sounds familiar,

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and so together they've created this organization Bring Change to Mind.
So I've become an ambassador for them. And but I
do everything like I go to Capitol Hill and I
try to fight for healthcare reform. Um. I'm just doing
anything and everything I can because I can't watch us
lose another person to mental illness. It's it's ridiculous if

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somebody and I think it's the it's stigma even within communities.
I mean, you know, David talks about the Black community
and their attitudes toward mental health. I mean it's a
long generational thing where they're afraid to go to doctors.
They're afraid because of everything that happened, you know, with
them and their struggle, right, so they kind turned to
church or community, but that's not enough sometimes, so it's

(01:02:04):
breaking through all those cultural brand boundaries. And this is
the kind of a perfect thing. So as we were
going through this, my mom, of course knew everything that
was going on. The doctors kept asking is the mental
illness in your family? And I kept saying, yeah, nothing
that I know of, and and David said, you know,

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I was adopted, so I don't know my side of
the family, and said, because you know, it's it's usually
genetic and middle running the family. And so over and
over again, I would ask my mom, is there anything
in our family that you know of? And she was like, no,
I can't think of anything. And just like a couple
of years ago, and I'm like deep into mental health
awareness at this point in education. I'm helping her move
and we're coming across some paintings and she's saying, oh, yeah,

(01:02:46):
that was painted by my um aunt, Uh, Emily. I
think it was either Emily or Rosalind, one of the two.
But she had two aunts. She knew one a lot
better than the other. Way they were both painters. And
she said, yeah, she uh, the one ant that painted
this one painting. She she was a lot more talented
at painting, but I just didn't know her. And I said, well,
why did you know her? And she said, oh, she

(01:03:07):
lived her entire life in a mental hospital. I'm like, uh, hello,
So do you remember all those times I was asking you?
She goes, oh, I didn't even think of it. And
that's the attitude that we have to break through it
being open, being yeah you just like you know, you
sweep that under the carpet that doesn't exist. But we

(01:03:29):
got to be open. We got to talk about it
because it's it's just part of our body. It's just
our mind is affected instead of our heart or are.
So I'm just doing everything that I can. Love that
you're doing that and putting that awareness out there and
continuing to be the rock star that you are. So
thank you so much for coming on with us and Chatty.

(01:03:50):
I wish we could do it and I know, I
know and my mama we love you and keep being
a rockster on directing and doing everything that you do. Amazingly.
Thank you, Thank you guys. All Right, Well that was

(01:04:17):
incredibly educational, I mean funny, but also education to a veteran.
You know, she's been around for so long, and like
she said, you know she um covers all kinds of
generations and they all love her. And she's a stunny woman.
And and you know what, everybody has a story, Eric,
you see you seemation and I'm sure a lot of

(01:04:37):
people didn't know that she has two beautiful kids. On
one of them deals with mental illness and and he's
doing great. As a matter of fact, you know he's
a fun, perfectly functional human being, a very kids kid. Yeah. Um,
so we we appreciate it. To check out Riverdale. Riverdale
just finished the season now you just finished. But of course, yeah,

(01:04:58):
it's the biggest, biggest show. And see every one of
the biggest shows. I should say on CW UM, but
I learned a lot about my husband. Guys, when this
show is, you're now we're going to have to have
a conversation. I'm looking forward to sex. Just talked about
soft years together, figure all this stuff because when we

(01:05:19):
start traveling and we've been spoiled, we've been you know this, uh,
trapped in the house mode for a couple of months.
Now we see each other day as soon as one
of us starts traveling. We're gonna be like I have
a headache, No, I don't feel like No, I don't
want to have a compromising picture of my phone. I'm
going to give you all kinds I should have post
on Instagram. I'll do it for everybody. But all right,

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