Chapter 5: Heidi’s Empire: From The Peak Of The Hollywood Hills To The Pits Of Despair (1992) Heidi’s madaming business takes off and crashes

Chapter 5: Heidi’s Empire: From The Peak Of The Hollywood Hills To The Pits Of Despair (1992) Heidi’s madaming business takes off and crashes

Heidi’s empire peaks as she gets overconfident running her mouth around town. The stories of producers Don Simpson, Robert Evans and Jon Peters. The saga of JJ The Beeper King, Cookie Orgad and the LA ecstasy trade. And Heidi’s downfall at the hands of former Heidi girl Alexandra Datig and Beverly Hills cop Sammy Lee II.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
M M. I'll tell you why there was any pleased there.

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They wanted to see the girls in lingerie and Bill
Clinton or Michael Milken or Arnold Schwarzenegger. They weren't there
to protect and serve the law. They were doing it
out of like Hollywood perversion. You know, it's all of jealousy.
The truth is, people in this town have been in

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this business their entire lives. And it took me one year,
and I did it. By the time I was twenty six,
I was burnt out. I won't make any both, but
l A is in a recession. I put a lot
of people through college. Maybe a lot of people got
to go on with their careers. A lot of girls

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got to be who they really wanted to be. Heidi Flace.
Drugs were part and parcel their life and breath of
what Heidi did. Everyone wants to make it seems so glamorous,
but it was really very sordid. Most of the time
she or her girls were so drugged that they were

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barely able to make it up due the fifth floor
of their hotel. Vonage producer previously on Heidi World. Heidi
took over the world of high end escorting from her
mentor turned rival, Madam Alex and became one of the
most powerful people in Los Angeles through brokering sex for

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the city's most powerful men. Welcome to Heidi World. Chapter five.
Heidi's empire from the peak of the Hollywood Hills to
the pits of despair. Heide's madam ming business takes off

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and crashes. Welcome back to Heidi World. I'm your host,
Molly Lambert. The year is Heidi Flice is on top

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of the world. She is living quite literally, at the
peak of Los Angeles in her mansion on Tower Grove.
She has five hundred Heidi girls working all over the
world bringing back her cut to her house. She has
everything she'd ever wanted. A house in the hills of
l a power, respect, a reserve table at every hot

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club and restaurant in the city, and money beyond her
wildest dreams. She has built her own brand to a
certain subsection of Los Angeles. The name Heidi Flice now
represents glamour, sex and exclusivity. I learned about the intricacies

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of deals, the power of sex, and how people like
to be treated. I saw some people make a lot
of mistakes driven by hubris arrogance, bad manners are all three,
and I saw an opportunity, an opportunity for me. As
long as I remembered what I had learned, success came
relatively easily. But as time went by, I forgot. I

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got caught up in the lifestyle. I lost sight of
the things that had made me successful. In Hollywood, glamorous
facades tend to hide a darker reality. Despite appearances, everything
is not actually perfect and Heidi world. First off, there
is Heidi's own big mouth. She can't stop telling people

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who she is and what she does. She and her
toxic on and off boyfriend, Yvonne Nage have finally broken
it off for good, and Yvonne Nage has a new
twenty three year old girlfriend named Julie Connistar. Yvonne and
Julie are trying to move in on Heidi's business with
a competing high end escort business. Heidi is so furious

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that Yvonne Nage that she does the unthinkable. She makes
up with Madam Alex. Together in Alex and Heidi get
von Nage charged with making threatening and obscene phone calls
to both of them. The case gets all the way
to jury selection before it's dismissed, Heidi is to herman

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to get Evan in trouble somehow, even though she knows
that talking to media might shine light on her own extracurriculars.
So in Heidi Flice starts talking to a senior writer
at Premier Magazine named John H. Richardson. Premiere was a
gossipy movie magazine that ran starkey coverage about Hollywood, the

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box office, and studios. Heidi gives Richardson a huge scoop,
telling him that Michael Nathanson, the president of production at Columbia,
is being supplied with drugs and high end escorts by
her ex lover, Yvon Naj. She claims that Nathanson has
allegedly even given Van Nage production deal as a cover

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for drug and sex expenditures. When the journalist confronts Nathanson
point blank, he says he'd never made a deal with Naj. Now,
Nathanson may not have made a direct deal with Naj,
but he did make a deal in early with a
producer named Brad Wyman, with whom he had partied on

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a sailboat with topless girls and Van Nag. Brad Wyman
was a rich kid producer from bel air whose mom
had been on l a city council. A young playboy
who came from privilege and partied with Hollywood brat pack
bad boys like Charlie Sheen and Rob Lowe. He produced
the cult classic Freeway and was also a producer on

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Oscar winning movie Monster. Brad Wyman had become notorious for
financing his own trip to can to raise funds for
a movie, streaking at the French airport and getting so
wasted that he crawled on the floor at the hotel
decap begging rich people for change. The movie, called The
Dark Backward, got funded after Nathanson and Wyman made a deal.

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Evan Nage was added as a partner. The production deal
was for a company called Wyman NAJ and it had
a Sony address and a Columbia Pictures phone number. The
Wyman NAJ Production Shingle produced only one movie, the prostitution
slasher Skinner, starring former underage porn star turned mainstream screen

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queen Tracy Lord's as a prostitute character named Heidi. I
never got credit for producing a hundred movies, for running Sony,
for coming from the street, becoming the Chairman. It was
always negative hairdresser John John Peters film producer. Producer John

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Peters is another lifelong Hollywood hustler. A valley kid from
Van Nuys who was an extra and The Ten Commandments
at the age of ten, then became a celebrity hairdresser.
Peters claims that his father was a Cherokee former marine
who ran a Hollywood diner. His mother came from an
Italian American family who owned a salon in Beverly Hills.

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When she remarried an abusive construction worker, John Peters ran
away from home to live on the street in New York,
making a living working in a burlesque house dyeing pubic
hair wigs. The prostitute's had red hair, red pubic hair,
and red poodles. I made it so everything mett. He

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moved back to l A, where he got a job
doing hair on people's heads on Ventura Boulevard in the
San Fernando Valley. Like fellow celebrity hairdresser J. C. Bring,
one of the victims of the Manson family murders. Along
with his ex girlfriend's share and Tate, John Peters used
hair dressing to become a well connected player with Hollywood

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friends as seen in Hal Ashby's film Shampoo Apocryphale, inspired
by J. C. Bring and Rodeo Drive hairdresser Jean shack
Over hip l A hairdressers like John Peters really do
know everyone in town. He started romancing the Norwegian Olympic
figure skater turned Hollywood pin ups Sonja Henny, by this

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point a rich older woman who gave him a hundred
thousand dollars with which to buy his mom's families Beverly
Hill Salon. Like many people in Heidi world, John Peters
was a born hustler. He had a specific genius for
talking other people into doing things that would benefit him.
John Peters allegedly started dating Barbara Streisand after working as

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a wig master on one of her movies, even though
he was technically still married to another beautiful Jewish actress
named Lesliean Warren, with whom he had a son, great ass,
great tits, great body. Barbara may have had her neuroses
and insecurities, but getting men the men every woman wanted,

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was not one of them. Peters produced the remake of
A Star Is Born, starring Chris Christofferson and Streisand, which
was a huge hit. He got into producing by essentially
schmoozing his way into hall Allywood all the way from
Van Nuys by dating Barbra streisand who gave him what
some might call a vanity credit as a favor, although

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certainly John Peters would not call it that. Their partnership
lasted twelve years, in which they may have been allegedly open.
Streisand turned down his proposals of marriage. She was probably
the love of my life. Yeah, she was the most captivating, interesting,
creative person I've ever met. I owe her, I will

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always owe her for giving me the life that I've had.
He parlayed the huge success of a stars Born into
a continued career as a producer. In three he had
a hit with Flash Dance, which led to a Warner
Brothers deal that produced hits like Batman, Superman, and Rainman.

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In John Peters and Peter Goober were made joint heads
of Sony, with Sony paying half a billion dollars to
get them released from their contracts at Warner Brothers. John
Peters was supposed to co produce a Three Musketeers remake
with Wyman Naj that got killed allegedly because Heidi blackmailed

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Nathanson by threatening to leak incriminating phone calls unless Yvon
and Wyman Nag lost the production credit, but the plausible
cover story was that Disney had a competing version. John
Peters called Heidi and told her to knock it off. Later,
Heidi would tell Vanity Fair that John Peters was one
of her biggest spenders. John Peters new Alex for years.

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He was a huge client. He was the guy everyone
went to and they wanted a girl. John Peters once
threatened to kill a producer he found out, tried to
casting couch Barbara streisand nevertheless, he himself was a serial
sexual harasser, even if it didn't catch up with him
until recently when he was sued for sexual harassment, in

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which caused the studio to take his production credit off
of Bradley Cooper's remake of A Star is Born. So
back to Heidie's big scoop. Richardson ends up writing the
story about Nathanson and naj for Premiere Magazine, but it
gets killed before publication, presumably for legal reasons or because
Premiere Magazine doesn't actually want that level of smoke from

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the studios, so instead Richardson uses all the material and
fictionalizes the saga of Heidi and Madam Alex in a
serialized novel called The Blue Screen that runs in Premiere instead. Meanwhile,
there are also signs that Heidi's perfectly oiled machine is malfunctioning.

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Some john's pose a threat to her business. Who unsafely
practiced kink play, like the cross dressing producer who's too
small lingerie almost cut off his circulation, or one famous
producer with a penchant for extreme sexual sadism, whose name
we can say because he is dead. You're not paying

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hookers to come, You're paying them believe Don Simpson Super producer.
Don Simpson was a producer who became known as the
face of Hollywood eighties excesses, particularly the nostril based ones.
Simpson was born in Seattle, grew up a strict Baptist
in Alaska, moved to San Francisco, where he did pr

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for an erotic film festival, then came to Los Angeles
to work in film. He co wrote director Paul Bartel's
Gunball Rally movie Cannonball Exclamation Point. Working his way up
from exploitation film distribution at Warner Brothers to president of
Paramount Pictures, he was fired from Paramount in for passing

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out on drugs during a meeting. He worked alongside Robert Evans,
whose coc use in that period was so bad that
fucking Don Simpson was the voice of reason. Evans believed
he was a living legend. He would come in with
his sunglasses and his black clothes. He would invite me
over to his office and couldn't sit at his desk

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for more than ten minutes without going to his bathroom
and re emerging with amount of white substance all over him.
Later on, when I got to know him better, I'd say, Bob,
you can't go out in public with a fucking ounce
of blow on your chest. He'd sit there and basically
try to bribe me. Said if I helped him with
his project, he'd get me pussy. It drove me crazy,
not that I was any paragon of virtue because he

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was so sleazy. Simpson eventually linked up with producer Jerry Bruckheimer,
and together they produced the steelworker erotic dance movie Flash Dance,
in which was a huge hit, followed by dormcannon classics
like Beverly Hills, Cop, Top Gun, and Bad Boys, as
well as flops like The ref which I love actually

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and Days of Thunder. Don Simpson was the ultimate eighties
man in Hollywood. He was famous for his hedonistic excesses
and his box office successes, and like many Hollywood douche bags,
he linked the two things in his mind. Simpson is
cited specifically in Easy Riders Raging Bulls as a reason

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for the downfall of the experimental character study bent of
nineteen seventies New Hollywood in favor of the big money,
big swinging dick eighties. In Easy Riders Raging Bulls, director
Robert Altman recalls showing Don Simpson a reel of Shelley Duval,
who he wanted to cast us olive oil in his
Popeye movie. So after the real finished, Simpson he stood

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up and he said, well, I wouldn't want to fuck her,
and if I don't want to fuck her, she shouldn't
be in the movie. I was a pumped Robert Altman director,
Simpson got testosterone injections and spent an alleged sixty dollars

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a day on drugs alone. He had been an insecure,
overweight child, and he molded himself single handedly into his
own warped vision of the ultimate Hollywood alpha male, the
soulless producer who only cares about money, drugs, and his
own dick. Amid the conspicuous consumption of rich people. In

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the eighties, Don Simpson took wasting money on dumb, expensive
ship to a new level. He bought a new pair
of black Levies to wear and throw away every day.
Don Simpson had a terrifying modernist house in the hills
of Cold Water Canyon where he did a ton of
coke and hired a lot of sex workers. He built

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a custom locker room with industrial showers specifically for the
girls he hired in his mid eighties to early nineties Heyday.
Don Simpson is allegedly one of Heidi's was prolific consumers
and one of the few documented on the record as abusive,
the record being the true Hollywood story about Heidi Place.

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Don Simpson is into underage girls and violent sado masochistic sex,
and the younger, less experienced girls are not ready for
the brutality that he enjoys inflicting on them. One girl
is allegedly beaten so badly by Don Simpson that she
thinks she's going to die, but is luckily able to
escape the house onto the nearby street, which by the

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way is mulhalland drive a winding mountain road so scary
and isolated there is an entire David Lynch movie about it.
So yes, Heidi could have been sending some of her
employees into a known snake pit for profit. It is
possible she was exploiting some of the girls in her
position as their employer. And even though I promised I

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wouldn't say it, I take that back to say, this
is what a girl boss does in actuality is exploit
labor for capital, like anyone else who's a boss, but
with the pink veneer that suggests she's leading with a
softer touch and uplifting other women along the way. There
is no doubt that Heidi was a better person to
work for than a violent camp who beats you, but

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she was still a boss. Sex work needs to be
decriminalized so that no sex worker can be exploited by
someone who takes advantage of the fact that they are
operating in a shadowy world where their employees might not
even want to admit what they are doing. Of course,
there's nothing wrong with doing sex work as a job,
and that gets muddled with right wing rhetoric about sex trafficking,

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which is something else, and survival sex work, which is
also something else, to paint all sex work as bad
and exploitative in a way that is somehow worse and
different than every other kind of job. I'm not trying
to excuse Heidi here. This is all very bad. However,
sex work itself is not in any way inherently bad

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or immoral, and it's critics like to hone in on
the SOB store worries while ignoring all the stories of
sex workers who didn't die, who didn't suffer from transgressing
women's roles, who had sex for money and merely paid
the bills. From Heidie's point of view, I'm sure she
thought she was just serving the market. If gross men
wanted underage girls, she would send them there. But she

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also could have said no. There were stories too that
she was so confident she scouted strangers in all kinds
of public places, including teenage girls at fancy boutiques. Any
one of these could have gotten her in huge trouble,
but as with many of her riskiest escapades or gambles,
Heidi got lucky, and she stayed lucky for a long time,

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but as with any gambler's streak, it had to come
to an end when Heidi World returns. Heidie's high end
escort empire begins to crumble when snitches come out of
the wood work. Welcome back to Heidi World. All of

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Heidi's flirtations with disaster and fuck ups might not have
mattered had it not been for a few people who
decided to wrap her out to the cops for their
own gain. One of them is a limo driver turned
bodyguard named Art Natoli who works for Billy idol. Heidi
says Natolie is allegedly a scumbag who got mad because

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his girlfriend, a woman named Claudia Carna Sella, started working
for Heidi and lost interest in the relationship because the
money was more exciting to her. Carna sell I was
pulling down eight grand a job with Heidi and bought
herself a Corvette. This makes her ex boyfriend furious, so
Natalie snitches on Heidi to Glenn Ackerman, the l A

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p D Chief of Vice. But he is not alone
in snitching on Heidi. Meeting Heidi for me was an
answer to a short term problem, which was paying my
rent and putting food on my table. I really didn't
want to be a prostitute. That was not my plan.
Alexandra date Egg Alexandra date Egg was an aspiring actress

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who had worked for Heidi for a year. Like so
many of the people in Heidi World, date Egg is
another child of Hollywood, a second generation actor, but, aside
from one credit in a college campus hijinks movie from
called Sweetheart of Stigma, Kay, her father, Fred date Egg Jr.
Appears to have mainly worked as a professional extra, albeit

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very steadily. A real veteran, he played a long line
of uncredited roles as soldiers, bell hops, cops, and a
theater usher twice in classic musicals like The Bandwagon and
Singing in the Rain. He also wrote technical books about guns,
like the Luger. Alexandra date Egg was one of the
four fictionalized protagonists of the book You'll Never Make Love

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in This Town Again, whose title was a riff on
Julia phillips memoir about her coke adult rise and fall
as a Hollywood producer, You'll Never Eat Lunch in This
Town Again. You'll Never Make Love in This Town Again
is the stories of three sex workers and an actress
about Hollywood Men's Excesses and Indignities. In the book, a
fictionalized Date Egg is written as an actress named Tiffany,

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although she sued the book's publisher over it. Alexandra dated
Egg's IMDb roster is slim, consisting of a reporter role
in Pump Up the Volume and stand in work on
Naked Gun thirty three and a third, the Final Insult.
Date Egg was partying at the Rainbow Bar and Grill
on Sunset when a drug dealer gave her Heidi's phone

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number and suggested she call Datigg spoke to CBS News
in about her year spent working for Heidi Flice. I
was expected to have most of the time just just
straightforward sex act. I was given designer drugs. I was
given prescription drugs, a lot of cocaine. I was paid
ten thousand dollars a day, plus jewelry, plus first class

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plane tickets. I was asked to go to a hotel.
The client held my plane ticket and my money, and
for three days he would come and hit me on
the head and pull out my hair. When evenished hitting me,
he would leave the room. Dating claimed she decided to
drop a dime because she felt Heidi was becoming too
obsessed with her own celebrity, but Datigg has since become

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a right wing celebrity in her own right who appears
regularly on talk shows and led a failed effort to
recall Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, who sucks, but not
for the reasons that she was trying to recall him.
According to date Egg, Don Simpson ran a casting couch
out of his mansion where he auditioned actresses who needed work,

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convinced them to have sex with him for a role,
and secretly videotaped the entire thing without their consent. After
date egg sold out Heidi, she became an anti prostitution
crusader who worked with groups that labeled all sex workers trafficking,
a trend in right wing politics that has only escalated.
Since you are not allowed to have long hair, you

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are not allowed to be too pretty, you are not
allowed to wear too much makeup or be too glamorous
because someone would fall in love with you and take
you away, and then she loses the business. So, after
a year of working for Heidi, Dateigg decides to turn
on her. In contact of Beverly Hills detective named Sammy Lee,

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the second in this obviously pleases the other Alex, Madam Alex,
who is still fuming on probation, watching Heidi run the
empire that she had built. Lee starts looking into Heidi's
personal activities and date Egg becomes the Beverly Hills Police
Department's personal informant on the case. The cops start assembling

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a task force across agencies to investigate Heidi. Law enforcement
starts to believe that Heidi is mocking them by operating
right under their nose. Unlike Madam Alex, who genuflected to
the cops by giving them girls on the house and bribes,
Heidi supposedly doesn't give the cops any kickbacks. So Sammy

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Lee from the Beverly Hills p D and Glenn Ackerman
from l A p D team up and decide to
make taking down Heidi Flice a top priority. I provided
credit card numbers, I provided information on air flights, on
phone numbers. Everyone knew he was a cop at me.

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I'm just the biggest sucker. I was so dumb. He said,
can I pay with pacololo? And I said no, bacololo. No.
Yet that was abnormal for a legitimate business person to
say either I had a terrible hangover that day or
I came straight from the race track but I wasn't
too sharp. Beverly Hills cop Samuel Lee the second is,

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of course, another second generation Los Angeles kid with a
prominent parent. His father, Samuel Lee, was a famous Olympic diver.
Born in Fresno, California, to Korean parents who ran a restaurant,
Sammy Lee the First became obsessed with the Olympics when
they came to nearby Los Angeles in two when he

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was twelve years old, Lee's family moved to Los Angeles
to the Highland Park neighborhood, where he found that he
was only allowed to practice pool diving once a week
in Pasadena, on what was called quote International Day. This
was code for segregation. International Day was the only day
that black Asian and Latino residents were allowed to use

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the public pool, the day before the water was replaced.
Because he had no regular access to a pool to
train in, Sammy Lee practiced diving into a pit of sand.
In ninety two, Sammy Lee became the first person of
color to win the US National Diving Championship at the
ninety London Olympics, he won a gold medal and a bronze,

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making him the first Asian American man to win a
gold medal for America. The elder Sammy Lee then joined
the Army Reserves to pay for usc medical school, where
he became an ear nose and throat doctor. He advanced
to the position of major in the U. S. Army's
Medical Corps and thought he would be sent out for
Korean War service. Instead, he was utilized for American propaganda

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on a larger scale and sent back to the Olympic Games,
where he was told he was expected to win. At
the nineteen fifty two Helsinki Olympics, he medled gold. He
was then sent to South Korea with the American Medical
Corps in nineteen fifty three for a tour of duty.
When Lee returned home to California in nineteen fifty four,

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he found that even as a multiple Olympic gold medalist,
a doctor, and a veteran who had demonstrated his American
patriotism endless times, racist housing discrimination practices against Asians and
Asian Americans persisted, even and especially in the supposedly progressive

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state of California. Sammy Lee tried to purchase a house
in the Orange County neighborhood of Garden Grove and was denied.
Nearby residents drew up a petition against Sammy Lee moving
into quote their neighborhood, and he moved elsewhere. He married
a woman named Rosalind Wong and they had two children.

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Their son became a tective with the Beverly Hills Police
Department named Sammy Lee the Second. I had a bad
feeling about him, but she kept saying, no, he's a
great guy. He drives a testa rosa and everything. So

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Detective Sammy Lee the Second decides to set up a
sting to bust Heidi flics operation. He gets a tip,
probably from Alexandra date Egg, that Heidi will be throwing
a party that night at a place called the Rangoon
Racket Club, a faux British colonial themed club in Beverly
Hills that's modeled after a British tennis club in Burma

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who's very offensive theme and overpriced bar food lasted from
the seventies to the early nineties. Heidi is hanging out
with some of her friends, including her old pal Jen Young,
at the Rangoon Club when Sammy Lee and another officer
crash her party undercover in character Sammy Lee. The second
poses as a Hawaii in Japanese textile merchant named Nico

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Akai who wants to set up himself and some Japanese
businessmen friends with late night entertainment from Heide's Girls. He
brings the aforementioned Ferrari taster Rosa, which is his own
real personal car. We knew that she was having a
function there and we borrowed a Ferrari. People were having
drinks and then she was playing the hostess. They were

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probably six or seven girls. I basically was able to
get her phone number that night and introduce myself as
a businessman, and I kept it very generic, said maybe
we can try to do business in the future, and
then I'd like to call her Detective Sammy Lee, Beverly
Hills Police Department. Heidi takes the bait and gives detectively

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her phone number. He calls and they set up an
appointment at the Beverly Hilton Hotel to talk through the logistics.
On June, Heidie meets with Sammy Lee and one other
in investigator. Lee sets up a sting with audio and
video recording equipment in a Beverly Hilton suite, then gets
Heidi talking about her business, which, as we all know

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by now, is not very hard to do. In the
history of this business, no one has ever been able
to do what I did. I know one percent of
the wealthiest people in the entire world. So maybe I'll
meet a hundred girls in two weeks and I'll only
pick one. Every girl I select has some quality or

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value about her that I think is different from the rest,
a special kind of person. I have a fixed price,
and no one is hustled, and no one is like crude.
You won't find some like drugged out freak coming in
with her fingernails all dirty. I can't afford stuff like
that because of the people I deal with. Basically, I

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have everything to perfection. You're more squared away than I am.
And for what are we talking? We're talking. Everybody's going
to have a good time, But like, I'm not into
this group sex and swapping and things like that. I
tell people that I think condoms. I'm a firm believer
in condoms, But what girls and guys do when I'm

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not in the room, I can't oversee everything. If you're
not happy with someone in the first fifteen minutes. If
she offends you in any way or something about her
strikes you as wrong, it's a hundred dollars thank you.
So the arrangement is basically straight sex, but basically nothing bizarre.
I don't want to see a llama coming through the house. No,
nothing bizarre. And you know some guys like two girls

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to be together. Yeah, can that be arranged. Yeah, it's
a normal man thing, a boy thing. As far as
money exchanged, cash okay, cash cool? No yet, I know
people who run countries and rule worlds, and they are
so amorous leaving a business meeting. They can change the
world at onomy. God, that's bizarre. Men and women must

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be a whole different things like cats and dogs or something. Basically,
that's how I see it. I think I just learned
real quick because I learned it was something you have
to get right or it's not going to work at all.
I wish I had some competition. There are people all
over town, like these two hundred or three hundred dollar
madams who say they're my competition, and they send their

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made out on a job or something. You're going to
get what you pay for. Do you have a preference
in your type. Tell me about your dream girl. UM
probably around five ft eight brunette, pretty, slim, nice legs,
nice but okay, no problem. What time the people I pick,

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I consider them my friends. Like we work together or
we don't work at all. We have good chemistry. So
how would you like to work? The money? Just give
it to the girls, straight to the girls. I have
to trust them, because if there's no trust, it's not
going to work. And if you're not happy with something,
and just call me and I'll make sure it's all fixed.

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A date is set for a Heidi girl to come
meet nko Akai in his room that night. Heidi sends
Samantha Burdette, a beautiful girl from a rich family in
Colorado who became a model in Japan and dated head
of the elite modeling agency John Casablancas and Guns and
Roses singer Axel Rose before she started working for Heidi.

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Samantha is beautiful, but she's a loss soul. Lee meets
with Burdette and pays her fift undred dollars. She strips
down to her underwear and according to the police report,
Lee claims he suddenly has to run. He lets her
keep the money and calls Heidi the next night to

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ask for another date with way more party favors. The
next night, he asked for three more girls and two
eight balls of cocaine. Then Charlie called me and said
he wanted some coke as a favor, and another client
asked for man drax and I got them. I threw
the man dracks in the back of my car. A

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few days later, Sammy Lee brings three other Asian American cops,
including a Japanese American detective named Stephen Takashita, and they
all pose as Japanese businessman with bad fake accents, speaking
Gibberish they hope the girls won't notice isn't Japanese. They
meet with the four girls and pay fift dollars to

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each one for what they say will be some oral sacks,
followed by straight sex. Kim Birch, a rookie on her
first date, responds to one of the undercover cops, speaking
fake broken English, asking to do American thing, special thing
by saying you mean like stand on my head or what.
The entire scenario, which is videotaped and played later for

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jurors in court, sounds completely absurd. They asked the girls
to strip for them, and as they at topless, a
task force bursts in, placing all four of the girls
under arrest. We had the girls in one big room
and once they started to address then we called it
and the officers came in and arrested everyone. We arrested

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the girls, and we had another team at Heidi's house
waiting to arrest her. That day, I went out in
the sun. I was disturbed all day. I was on
a sobriety kick. I had started going to the gym.
I took a Soma, a muscle relaxer, but that day
I was feeling really weird. Around a thirty, it was

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one of the clearest, most beautiful nights. They arrived twenty
cops and four dogs all at my house. June thirty pm.

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Heidi is wheeling out the trash cans to the curb
in front of her Tower Grove mansion when she is
confronted by twenty cops and four police dogs. She immediately
cracks a joke about how this must be the reason
Los Angeles is broke, since they're spending all their money
on her. She's not wrong. The police see some travelers

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checks signed by Charlie Sheen, thirteen grams of cocaine, a
plastic baggy of man drags, which is an old type
of sedative like aqualude, and the red Gucci notebooks that
Heidi used in lieu of a black book. Beverly Hills
Lieutenant Jim Smith says Heidi didn't flip out and was
remarkably calm, even jovial. Heidi is charged with felony, him bang, pandering,

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and narcotics. She has released on a hundred thousand dollar bail,
which a bail bondsman puts up because Heidi hasn't saved anything,
let alone one hundred thousand dollars. A seventeen year old
girl found living in her house is booked as well.
The four girls who were booked earlier that day by
Sammy Lee flip on Heidi immediately and start telling the
cops everything. As soon as the Heidi fly story breaks

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in Los Angeles, every newspaper in town starts receiving phoned
in tips claiming to know the names of famous clients.
The only names publicly associated with place at this point
are people known to be her social friends, Billie Idol,
who she met it on the Rocks, her friend Victoria Sellers,
and music manager Elliott Mintz. Nobody has been confirmed as

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a John or a client, but the rumor mill continues.
Columbia Pictures is alleged to have diverted funds meant for
a Three Stooges movie towards what they call improper executive entertainment,
and the heirs to the Three Stooges brand are demanding
an investigation, possibly related as well to a Three Stooges

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merchandising deal they got screwed on by the studio. One
name that keeps bobbing back up is Charlie Sheen, who
allegedly likes his Heidi girls to dress as cheerleaders. Aside
from not being old enough to be her father, Charlie
Sheen is completely Heidi's type, possibly her male equal. Charlie

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Sheen is, once again, maybe you're getting tired of this,
a second generation child of Hollywood. He and Heidi are
very similar. They have addictive personalities, a history of self
destructive behavior, are incredibly charismatic, and grew up in close
knit Bohemian families in Los Angeles. Charlie Sheen's father, Martin Sheen,

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born Ramon Antonio Herrado Estevez is an anti war leftist
and a famous actor. In Demi morris autobiography, she talks
about spending time at the Sash Sheen house when she
was dating Charlie's brother Emilio, and being captivated by the
warmth and intelligence of the family in contrast to her

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own incredibly fucked up and fractured family dynamic. Charlie Sheen
was born Carlos Irwin Estevez in New York in n
and shortly thereafter the family moved to Malibu. Just like Heidi,
Charlie Sheen also made Super eight movies with his friends
and family. As a kid. His friends included fellow Santa

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Monica High students Rob Lowe and Sean Penn. Like Heidi,
he came from an upper class, supportive family, but was
drawn into the underworld of l a. Charlie Sheen was
brought into the industry by his father, Martin Sheen. His
first role was an uncredited appearance in Terrence Malick's bad Land,
starring Martin. Charlie Sheen was part of the eighties Brat

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Pack of young actors that also included his brother Emilio Estevez.
The Brat Pack included several handsome, burgeoning leading men whose
screen persona was angry young man. Sheen's breakout role was
Read Dawn, the nineteen eighties red scare fantasy about Russian
forces descending on a small American town that has to

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fight back. From then on, he played the archetypal eighties
alpha male in a series of hit movies. As we
learn more about the producers of the eighties, you can
see why they felt like edgy, dark haired, leonine, sexually
charismatic Charlie Sheen was a perfect avatar for their idea

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of the ideal man. In five, Charlie Sheen stars in
a Penelope Spirits movie called The Boys next Door, where
he and Greece two star turned Rex Manning Baxwell call
Field play proto red pilled spree killers who set out
on a string of race a misogynist and homophobic murders
around l A. This movie is fucking spine chilling and

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should be screened for. It's also hilariously a total dry
run for Wayne's World in that a lot of the
scenes are focused on the two guys just driving around.
Charlie Sheen then appears in Ferris Bueller's Day off as
the scariest hottest guy you have ever seen in your life,
where he hits on Farris's sister played by Jennifer Gray,

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giving maybe a lot of Jewish girls a complex for
the rest of their lives. But his critical breakthrough is
in Oliver Stone's Platoon. In six, Oliver Stone uses Charlie
Sheen's lineage of Vietnam movies. His father started an Apocalypse
Now to make a movie drawing on his own experiences
as a Vietnam vet, realizing that everything he'd been told

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was a lie. Like The Boys next Door, Platoon uses
the all American looking Sheen to critique American man hood
to show how male bravery and valiants are propaganda used
a further American empire, how men are exploited by war
and lose their souls to it, and how the empire's

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coffers depend on it. This is how Charlie Sheen functioned
as an Eighties A list movie star as a sort
of walking commentary on masculinity. He played fucked up, charming
eighties men in Wall Street, another Oliver Stone mega hit
and Major League, which showed that he could also do comedy,
But when it came to his personal life, Charlie Sheen

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did not stick to the script that other people expected
from him. Like the other brat pack bad boys, he
was legitimately a loose cannon. The same wild energy that
made him a star also made him a liability. Charlie's
issues surface early on in his career, but he is
carried by the sheer power of being a famous white

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man through one scandal after another. He impregnates his high
school all friends, who gives birth to their child. He's
engaged to the actress Kelly Preston when he accidentally shoots
her in the arm and the engagement is called off.
Charlie Sheen seems to have been a troubled person from
the beginning, which doesn't excuse or absolve him from exhibiting

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a lot of awful, violent and abusive behavior towards women
over the years. Like many players in this story, he's
haunted by the demons of addiction. However, him hiring and
dating sex workers is not evidence that he's fucked up.
It's actually the most charming thing about him. Despite being
one of the most famous mainstream Hollywood leading men, Sheen

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dates some leading ladies from the other local film industry
the one in the San Fernando Valley. We had this relationship.
It was fabulous, It was wonderful. The hardest part was
attorneys and managers and agents and publicists and people saying
do this, don't do that. Gender is going to ruin
your career and that's not going to be good for you.

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Ginder Lynn Allen, adult film star after Kelly Preston Charlie
Sheen dates ginger Lynn Allen, a legendary adult star who
worked behind it in front of the camera. Allen was
as famous in porn in the early eighties as Sheen
was in Hollywood. Alan starred in the hit adult film

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New Wave Hookers, which became controversial when it was revealed
that one of its stars, Tracy Lords, had filmed it
under age. It was re edited to exclude Lords, who
scenes jeopardized the legality and legitimacy of the adult film industry.
Lords was edited off the cover and replaced with Ginger
Lynn Allen. And maybe the dating pool among actors is

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just really small, but I just wanted to point out
that George Clooney also dated both Kelly Preston and ginger
Lynn Allen. After appearing as herself in Bachelor Party with
Tom Hanks. Allen left porn in six to try and
make the jump to mainstream film. She appears in a
small part in Young Guns Too with Sheen and Estavis

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Gingerlyn Allen and Charlie Sheen enter rehab together. He writes
her love letters, I'm sitting in bid writing to you
from my penthouse suite at the Hotel Duke Camp. The
view appear is incredible. I can see the Eiffel Tower,
Matt Rushmore, Niagara Falls, Riverfront Stadium, and I can see

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you as well, which happens to be my favorite side
of all Charlie Sheen. Actor. Sheen also dated adult actress
Heather Hunter, an aspiring musician from the Bronx who was
dancing at a club when porn star Hiapacia Lee a
k a. Vicky Lynch suggested Hunter could make a lucrative

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career in adult films. Heather Hunter is mentioned in at
least as many rap songs as Heidi Flys. She's in
the video for Tupac's how Do You Want It with
fellow porn icons Angel Kelly and Nina Hartley, and she
is absolutely legendary as well as one of the few
black women who was able to become an A list
porn star in the very racist porn industry of the

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eighties and nineties. Back to Heidi. Heidi immediately denies to
the l A Times that she is involved in prostitution,
even though she already bragged about it once to Sean Hubler,
who didn't name her in print. L A p d
Captain Glenn Ackerman tells the press that Slice was the
target of a months long investigation that showed she was

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operating a highly sophisticated prostitution ring where a group of
high end call girls got paid fifteen hundred dollars an
hour in what Ackerman calls Amelia of money and well,
shall we say power. One person who speaks out immediately
to deny that he has bought any sex from Heidi
is producer Robert Evans, a super producer of the nineteen

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seventies behind movies like The Godfather. Evans is now entering
the twilight phase of his producing career. I'm the one
guy in town who's never touched her and never seen
any of her girls, and yet I'm the only one
mentioned why. I don't know, Robert Evans, producer the many

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powerful men in Los Angeles who hired Heidi and her
girls start sweating bullets, worrying their names are going to
leak to the press. According to the book Hit and Run,
How John Peters and Peter Goober Took Sony for a
Ride in Hollywood by Nancy Griffin and Kim Masters, Van
Naj and Heidi Flice are longtime Hollywood friends, with Columbia

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Pictures president of Production, who is one of the people
most concerned he will get outed in the scandal. One
rumor starts circulating claiming that Steve Roth, one of the
producers of Columbia's huge recent bomb Last Action Hero, was
a friend of Heidi who hired her girls as extras
on the very over budget film. Producer Robert Evans name

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also gets mentioned in connection with Heidi, which he immediately
and strenuously denies. Rumors circle that Paramount might use Heidi
Gate as an excuse to dump Evans, who produced seventies
blockbusters like The Godfather and The Sting before a cocaine
conviction in the nineteen eighties. Evans has been back at
Paramount for two years, but had decamped to Palm Springs

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to work on his autobiography. The kid stays in the picture,
neglecting his commitments to producing movies The Saint in the Phantom.
Everything couldn't be on a more go level than it
is now. My relationship with Paramount has never been better.
In addition to his possible connection with the Heidi scandal,

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Evans has been connected to another scandal involving a company
called Axiom Entertainment defrauding private investors of two hundred million dollars,
one point two million of which allegedly went to Evans.
He's also already made one bomb for Paramount, the erotic
thriller Sliver, which had basic instinct star Sharon Stone and

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screenwriter Joe Esther Hass, but none of basic instinct success.
Don Simpson calls Heidi and offers to pay off her
legal bills if she keeps his name out of it,
and she takes the money. Hollywood, the greed is good
Eighties have supposedly given way to the more minimalist nineties,
or consumption is just as conspicuous, but macrobiotic foods have

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replaced drugs. Hollywood's coke gears are supposedly waning, as being
a raging drug addict starts to be seen as a liability,
and everyone gets sober at the increasingly upscale rehab facilities
and Malibu like promises, becoming addicted to expensive coffee instead
of coke. But beneath the thin a crew linen veneer

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of the early nine in D's Vice still booms underground,
and Heidi's business hasn't slowed as the decade changed over,
not at all. Some agents even allegedly set up there,
often married clients with call girls to ensure they wouldn't
get caught with their pants down publicly cheating with a
random civilian Fluzi who could sell her story to the tabloids.

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In the early nineties. Hollywood claims to be cleaning house
of the sexism, racism, and hedonism that has plagued its
halls forever, But behind closed doors things haven't changed. Columbia
Pictures is still a boys club. One anonymous employee describes
it to the authors of Hit and Run like this quote.

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When I think about Columbia, I think about all those
tiny little men in tiny little jeans, high fiving each
other endlessly. I love that quote because I feel like
it still applies to everything. Heidi and avon Nage are
regulars at Columbia Pictures owned Michael Nathanson's holiday parties and
football game viewings at his house, where they supposedly suck

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out like a sore thumb among the besuited executive dirt bags,
although that seems besides the point. This fuels the speculation
that von Naje hooked Nathanson and friends up with narcotics
and Heidi girls to get ahead of the Heidi Fly scandal,
potentially naming him. Michael Nathanson checks into a rehab facility

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in Marina del Rey, claiming he developed an addiction to
the pain killer Perkadan after a jogging accident. But the
war that yvon naj and Heidi Flys are waging against
each other will claim Michael Nathanson as its first casualty
in the press. When the Heidi Fly story breaks in
the public sphere, the first names to surface are Nathanson

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and naj and Nathanson attempts to sue two journalists working
on the story for The Hollywood Reporter. The New York
Post runs blind items about a certain studio being in
hot water with Heidi and the l A Times print
story after story about the Heidi Fly scandal, but no
publication claims hard enough evidence to run any names. By August,

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no John's have come forward or been named, and Heidi
hasn't snitched. But this doesn't make the rich Shawn's any
less paranoid. This rumor has gone to epic proportions and
it just isn't true. He never had anything to do
with this woman and obviously never did anything improper at
Columbia and has no knowledge of anyone else at Columbia
who has had any dealings with this woman. Anthony Pellicano,

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private investigator. You always want to be on the right
side of Anthony Pellicano. Michael Nathanson hires Anthony Pellicano, a
private detective specializing in Hollywood shakedowns. He hired him four
months earlier, when the rumors first started circulating that Nathanson

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had set up fake development deals as fronts for buying
sex and drugs. Pelicano advises Nathanson to issue a public denial,
even though his name hasn't come up in the press.
On August three, Nathanson goes on the record through his lawyer,
Howard White's Men, saying he has no business or personal
relationship with Heidi Flice and has not done anything that

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should cause concern on behalf of Columbia Pictures, with his
lawyer using some very unfortunate wording about putting the rumors
to bed. This brings out the Wolves to report on
his statement. This is the first concrete evidence that some
of the bigger Heidi rumors might be true, and the
rumor mill starts turning off the hook. Suddenly, Nathanson's face

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is on the local news associating himself and Columbia Pictures
with the Heidi Flye scandal. Anthony Pelicano is another wild character,
a scandal fixer for Hollywood people. He grew up with
a single mom in Chicago and then came out West.
Rich people put him on retainer to run wire taps
on people they want monitored, enemies, X wives, et cetera.

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Anthony Pellicano knows everyone in Los Angeles and all of
their dirty secrets. He came to l A in the
late seventies and set up shop after helping John DeLorean,
the original seller of cars with suicide doors, fight charges
of cocaine distribution. The Nathanson story is the biggest Hollywood
scandal since David Begelman, who produced movies like shampoo, and

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close encounters of the third kind was discovered siphoning money
from Columbia Pictures. Flice supports Nathanson's claim that the two
are merely social friends. Now, Nathanson had not run the
denial statement by any of his studio bosses first, So
while Nathanson denies it vehementley, bank records show that he

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wrote at least two personal checks to Yvonne Nage in
nineteen eighty and nine, albeit for the relatively paltry amounts
of five hundred dollars and seven hundred and fifty dollars,
which just seem very low considering the rumors of Heidi's
girls commanding five thousand dollars for blow jobs at the peak.

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When Heidi World returns the story of j J. The
King of Beepers and Cookie Orchad the Israeli Ecstasy King,
Pan of l A. Yeah, welcome back to Heidi World.

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Hookers who they have no life, they're only friends are
other hookers. That's the club, and they live and die
for the club. But you have to accept the club
for what it is to be a hooker. You have
to accept that you're living a lie. You can only
be yourself with the other working girls. The rest is

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a lie. Heidi talks to attorney Robert Shapiro, soon to
become famous himself as a key player on O. J.
Simpson's defense team. He tells Heidi that he heard Van
Nage is going down next. You're going to jail, you motherfucker.

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As the scandal was breaking, Naj was trying to release Skinner,
his low budget horror movie that he directed about a
serial killer named Dennis Skinner who prays on skid row
prostitute starring ted Rami in the title role. On August four,
Van Nage and Julie Conister get busted. Not only has
Van Nage been running his own escort ring with Connistar,

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he's been taking a percentage from every other working madam
in town. Madam Alex says she calls him mr for
his cut taking tendencies. Van Nage is parking his white
Mercedes Ben's outside a cafe on La Siannaga when the
cops arrived for him with his own pandering charges. Heidi
is absolutely thrilled. I don't care what kind of drople

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I'm in. I'm going out tonight. The dynamic between Alex
Yvon and Heidi is hard to describe. They're like a
bunch of jackals, all feeding off the same carcass. Fred
clapp l, a p D detective Van Nag, and Julie
Conistar were probably busted because of a wire tap tape

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where they discussed specifics of their plan to run an
escort service and cut out Heidi. That tape was provided
to Heidi by an ex associate of Van Nag, an
Israeli drug dealer named Jacob Orgad who goes by the
nickname Cookie. Allegedly, Heidie may have leaked it to the
police in order to help Penny Vantage with a pandering charge.

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Jacob Cookie or Gad becomes part of the public story
in August when he's linked to the death of a
twenty two year old girl named Laurie Dolan. Earlier that
year in March, Lorie Dolan died of an overdose of cocaine,
morphine and codeine at Cookies West Hollywood condo. Because he
has a known connection to Heidi, the press start speculating

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that Laurie Dolan was one of Heide's girls. Cookie Organd
is an Israeli ecstasy kingpin who allegedly employs Hasidic Jewish
teenagers as drug mules and couriers. He also was part
of an electronics store called J and J Imports with
a guy named Judah Alza. Alza and Orgad dissolved the partnership,

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and Alza went on to run a successful pager and
electronics store called J and J Beeper, whose billboards show
him wearing a king's crown and robe surrounded by bikini girls.
In one, a lingerie clad girl straddles a giant beeper.
I'm J J and I'm the King of Beeper's j

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J King of Beeper's a k a. Judah Alsta. Cookie
Orgad was supposedly just a small time coke dealer until
Heidi Flies came in to buy a big screen TV
from him. One day, Cookie brought the TV two Heide's
Tower Grove estate, and from there he became part of
the operation, working as Heidi's new enforcer. Heidi told everybody

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that Cookie was in mussade, which he wasn't, but it
scared people into complying. Cookie also became Heidi's main recruiter
of new talent. He made himself useful and got a
kickback for recruits. Cookie or Goad moved up the ranks
of drug dealing as well, becoming a major player in
the burgeoning ecstasy trade. He moved out of his shitty

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apartment into a swanky twelfth floor high rise in West Hollywood.
While Cookie or God might not have been Massad, he
was looped in with some Israeli mob families who were
smuggling M d m A tablets from labs in the
Netherlands and Belgium to Los Angeles, using a pre existing
model they'd set up to smuggle diamonds. This way, ecstasy

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tablets were sewn into the shoulder pads of women's jackets
and shipped overseas. Hi Walk nine, an Israeli American racketeer
from Van Nuye's, and Cookie or Goad we're both getting
the ecstasy from the same supplier, an Israeli mob boss
known as its Ac Big Friend Abergil, sometimes called the

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Man from the South. I had a lot of enemies.
Sometimes I needed to find out something about a girl,
and he'd helped me. Laurie Dolan was a young party
girl from the San Fernando Valley. In many ways a
carbon copy of Heidi from a few years prior. Dolan
waitress at the Sagebrush, Cantina and Calabasas and started run

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with a fast crowd that liked to go clubbing and
do hard drugs. On the night of her death, Dolan
went to a club that Heidi also frequented called Tattoo
and called her dad, whose name is coincidentally the same
as Heidi's dad, Paul. She told Paul Dolan she was
going out late with friends but would be fine. They
went to Bar One next which Cookie co owned, and

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Cookie showered his guests with buckets of expensive champagne. Then
everyone went back to Cookies Place in West Hollywood, where
Lorie Dolan did the fatal cocaine cut with heroin. Her
so called friends freaked out when everyone woke up hungover
the next morning except Lorie, who didn't wake up, so
they didn't take her to the e R until five

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pm that day, where she was pronounced brain Dad. Three
days later, her family took her off life support. Then
the connection between Cookie, Yvonne Nage and Heidi Flice was reported,
and suddenly Lorie Dolan was being dragged into the Heidi
scandal as well. The media loved this angle because it
played into their narrative that sex work led to automatic

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ruin for anyone who so much as dabbles. The l
A p d even declared that the investigation would now
look into whether Lorie Dolan was a Heidi associate. The
problem was that it wasn't true. The only clear connection
between Heidi and Laurie Dolan was that they ran in
overlapping circles, frequented the same clubs, and bought drugs from

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the same dealer. But the news cycle ran with the
story anyway because everyone was now waiting with bated breath
for more salacious news to emerge from the Heidi news cyclone.
Whether Laurie Dolan was or wasn't a Heidi girl hardly
mattered to the l A. Times. They had already written
the copy high school girl gone bad, sucked into a

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world of drugs and prostitution, leading right to death Cookie
bills town After the story breaks and j J. The
Beeper King takes his deeper empire to Las Vegas. After
busting Yvon and Julie Connister, the cops also bust another
West Side escort service run by two women named Thomasina
as Formis and Alicia Radkey in an attempt to make

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a big show force of cracking down on vice, particularly prostitution.
After the embarrassment of Heidi Fl's running her empire right
under their complicit noses was made public, l ap D
S administrative Vice Captain Glenn Ackerman says they are waging
a full scale war on organized commercial prostitution on l
A's West side, adding there will be further shoes to fall.

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A warning to some of the big money wrestlers whose
names had not come out. Von Nage, out on bail
for his own pandering charges, retaliates against Heidi by leaking
what he alleges is a stolen page from the Black
Book to the New York Post. It runs on August
six and introduces a couple of new names to the public.

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It quote Barry with a phone number that leads to
producer Barry Josephson's All Fists, and a Canton, which is
allegedly probably Mark Canton, who did Last Action Hero as
head of Columbia. Heidi tells the press that the page
was stolen from her against her will and doctored before
going to print. It's just an old calendar, she says.

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My battle isn't going to be in the media. My
battle is going to be in court. Columbia Pictures, parent
company Sony gets dragged into the scandal. Sony higher up
Michael Mickey Schulhoff, rounds up everyone powerful at the company
in his office one at a time and tells them
they'll be protected if they confess or destroyed if they

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try to keep any information they have about Heidi Flics
and Columbia from him. Sony Columbia make no public statement,
but the story spreads through legitimate magazines as well as
tabloids like Wildfire. While the tabloids and newspapers openly named
Sony and Columbia Pictures as the center of the Heidi
fly sex scandals, warm the studio decides they will attempt

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to just wait it out. Peter Goober, who runs Sony,
demands Nathanson's head on a platter. A previously planned corporate
retreat becomes a Sony brand strategizing session, where the decision
comes down that they will demote Nathanson to the do
nothing job of vice president and appoint Lisa Henson, a
thirty three year old Warner Brothers executive who is the

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daughter of legendary puppeteer Jim Henson, as the new head
of production at Columbia. This decision had supposedly been in
the works prescandal, but the optics were clear. Nathanson would
be punished for sullying the studio's name and reputation, and
he would be replaced with a woman with clear ties
to a clean cut, family oriented brand, Jim Henson's Muppets.

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The studio orders an internal investigation to cut all the
scandal tainted weight dropping and blacklisting Yvonnage, just as Heidi
had hoped they would, even though his pandering charges and
actually stick. They do a budget audit of recent films
like Last Action Hero, looking for suspicious expenditures. The public
announcement is made that Lisa Henson will replace Nathanson. According

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to Heidi, Barry, Josephson, and Michael Nathanson were not the
biggest culprits by any means. They were punished to protect
other people higher up at Sony who were involved with Heidi,
people like allegedly John Peters. Barry and Michael were fall
guys big time. They were both innocent, but they were

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practically the only ones who were, and not just in Columbia,
at every studio. Heidi is out on bail awaiting her
court hearing Monday, she hires a lawyer named Anthony brook
lyre more on him. Later. Her lawyer says Heidi has
been flooded with offers for book and screenplay deals while
she awaits her first hearing. There's a rumor that a

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rich Italian man wants to buy Heidi's house from her.
Newspapers make reference to leaked recordings that have two high
profile producers offering to pay for Heide's legal bills, but
they never named the producers in question. Heidi tells a
reporter she'll sell her story to Hollywood for a cool million.
Anthony Pellicano continues to deny that Nathanson paid flights for

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call girls, but admits that Van Nage did once have
a deal in two with Columbia for a movie with
Brad Wyman producing called Twice Seduced. Pelicano claims the development
deal had been comboshed and the movie put in turnaround.
This would mean that Van Nage never received any money
from the studio at all, let alone money that would

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have been in compensation for drugs and escort services. I
have no involvement in any escort services, no gambling it's
a lie. These are vicious, vindictive people. Nage has let
out on a dollar bail and claims complete innocence. He says,

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other than bookmaking charge, he pled no contest too. He
has a perfect angel who has never so much as
set foot outside the law. Heidi Flice is just trying
to drag him into her own dirty laundry. Madam alex
is overjoyed that Heidi is suffering consequences and offers to
help the police. The tapes are going to be important.

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Anthony brook Laer, attorney in law. A private investigator and
FBI informant named Dan Hanks has mysterious access to a
tape of calls wire tapped directly from Heidi's phone. Hanks
says he thought he could catch Heidi with someone famous
and sell photos to one of the tabloid news magazine

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shows like a Current Affair. Instead, he ends up with
these Heidi tapes of unknown origin. Hanks claims that he
didn't tap the calls himself, but that they mentioned some
prominent names Aimes. Some reporters here the tape, but no
one has the cohonas to actually publish the contents, which
may have been obtained extra legally, Heidie buys the tape

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herself to use as part of her defense. There are
some tidbits about these phantom tapes in a two thousand
four book written by uh Andrew white Bart called Insanity
Chic in Babylon, The Case against Celebrity. Now look the
margins between like TMZ and the far right are razor.

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Then I do not vouch for anything, Andrew Breitbart says, ever, obviously,
but in this book he claims that a tape existed
of Robert Evans and Heidi Flights talking about an underage
girl who Evans wanted to order from Heidi, referred to
in the alleged recordings as quote the little Girl you.

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The book claims that Hanks bugged the recordings to sell
them to a tabloid, but then sold them to Heidi instead.
Some people think the cops bugging Heidi themselves, and that
Hanks was working with them or just hacked the feed.
It's obviously possible that Heidi was also bugging her own
clients in case she needed blackmail. The cops didn't find

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the tape at Heidi's house during their police sting because
Heidi had cleverly hidden it in a VHS box for
Shirley Temples seven movie Heidi. While her famous clients are
eager to run away from her in public, they all
reach out to her behind the scenes. Heidi, here's from
a laundry list of former clients Rock Impresario's financiers, a

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list actors, producers, directors and real estate airs, all of
whom are eager to express fealty and frustration over Heidi's
turn and fortunes. All of them are trying their hardest
to stay on Heidi Flice's good side. Should she be
tempted to start ratting out her powerful clientele, I have

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warned her cannot mention John's not even privately. It ruins careers.
Alex Fleming Madam, a Heidi girl using a pseudonym, tells
the l a time she was recruited outside a check
cashing office on Hollywood Boulevard by a man claiming to
be a photographer who was actually a talent scout for Heidi.

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A year later, the girl who goes by Karen in
the story was desperate to move out of her mom's
apartment and called Heidi, who sent her to London on assignment.
Karen tells of middle aged men and elderly chiks who
pay for her company at fight nights in Vegas and
steak dinners at Morton's. She recalls being gifted to a

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famous young actor at his birthday party whose name might
rhyme with Barley Bean. Then she quits, but that doesn't
fit the L a p. D. S narrative for prostitution
is always dehumanizing and always life ruining. Another name comes
out of one of the girls who was part of
the Beverly Hilton bust, Brandy McLean. Brandy starts talking to

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the press. Immediately, I realized it was illegal, but I
never thought anything could happen to me. Brandy McClean. Heidie's
habit of spending more than she makes finally comes around
to get her, as she has no real assets when
she's arrested. Besides the house, most of the money has

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seemingly gone towards drugs, clothes, and lavish partying at the
mansion where the rest of the money went. Also, the
Tower Grove mansion is technically owned by her father, Paul Flice,
who co signed This brings Paul Flice, the mild mannered pediatrician,
into a burgeoning I. R. S. Investigation into Heidi's finances.

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My parents were very supportive and left real nice messages
on my answering machine, but I just told them to
stay away. The mountain stress of getting her father involved,
letting down the girls who trusted her, and the realization
that she might really be in big fucking trouble now
causes Heidi to feel crushing, intense, all encompassing guilt, but

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also anger at those who betrayed her and fear at
what might happen. Heidi has talked her way all to
the top, only to hit a brick wall that she
probably cannot talk her way out of. I've been bankrupted.
I have no money, none, Heidi streams of income have

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been cut off at the moment that she suddenly needs
a robust amount of savings to pay for lawyers. But
Heidi Fleis's name and brand have become cultural currency. Her
name now more than ever, carries cashe but her life
is hell. Four of her employees have flipped on her
after the bust and a ratting her out to the cops.

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Late night hosts and magazine headlines make every conceivable Heidi
pun Heidi ho jokes about Wendy Washerstein's play The Heidi Chronicles,
which was coincidentally running in l A. Rep theaters at
the time the Heidi Fly story broke, leading me personally
to wrongly believe it was a play about Heidi Fleiss
until I finally read it and found out it's about
feminism in the seventies and eighties. Heidi is saturating the

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news cycle, and the glamorous high rolling myth of the
Heidi Girls has surpassed even the reality, but Heidi Fleis
herself isn't making any money off of it yet. Next

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time on Heidi World, Heidi's high end escort empire comes
crashing down around her in front of the entire world
when the Los Angeles and Beverly Hills police departments decided
to team up to make a big show of busting
her because she refuses to play the game and bribe
them m