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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, I feel one coming on right now, another panic
attack inside, climbing up in my throat, and I'm starting
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to hyperventively all the classic science. Man, I gotta get
out of my head and pay attention or I'll miss
my transfer. I think I'm all worked up because it
was coming up tonight. I thought i'd be excited, but
it's just it's just too much. You know, what the
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hell am I inbuts oh god, God cool yo, Ruben,
It's all in my head. I know this, I know this,
but it feels so real. Sometimes it's overwhelming and I
cannot have an attack like this night. It will ruin
everything Marko and I have planned, Ruben. See, no one
wants to be a Hollywood celebrity anymore, no one my
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age anyway. I mean, we want to be Internet famous.
We want to be influencers, motivating our peers to become
followers of what's trending on Twitter, TikTok or Instagram. We
areddinkted to our follows and our likes. Man, I should know.
I remember when I was nine, I created a profile
on Vine. Remember ye that it doesn't matter, kind of
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like Instagram, but with just video. Anyway, I posted a
video and nearly broke the internet. Outloaded the post to
me freestyling off of Hello Marco, what man, are you
ready for tonight? My best friend Marco has a mischievous grind.
Oh he sees his upside. Try my best not to frown,
Try my best to mirror his expression. Yeah, I'm ready
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as I'll ever be. Believe it, bro, you gotta kill
it tonight. Trust me, my head is still in the
clouds when I try to focus on Marco was asking
me about I can't believe of really doing this. He
grabs me by the shoulders and stares me dead in
the eyes. Hey, I wanted you in this with me specifically.
You got this. Are you sure you don't want to
be on MIC for the interview yourself? You got the crid,
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You're the quote unquote influencer. Now I'm just a goof
making dumb TikTok videos. Man, this is bigger than that.
It's got to be its own brand. You got the depth.
You're practically an artist yourself. I see you lost in
your head all the time, scribbling your ideas out in class.
You need an outlet, let those creative juices flow. I
know you can connect here. Trust me. You're a guy
for this. I do trust Marco, but I am nervous
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as hell. All I really want to do is put
my headphones on and yeah, I get lost in my thoughts.
I don't want to think about doing an interview tonight.
I can't believe I'm sneaking into the city, lying to
my parents and doing what I've dreamed of doing forever.
Too sick when you think about it. I'm tripping, fraid
I can't do this. No, no, no, no no. Marco
was right, No need to psych myself out there. There's
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no turning back now. Did you tell your parents you're
staying at my place tonight? Yeah? They think they know,
They don't know. Jack Jack, Jack Jack. Hey, congrats man,
it's been a hell of a summer. We live large.
Now on to bigger and better things, right, meet me
back at the train station at seven. That's gonna be huge?
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Will it be huge? What if I mess up? Ship?
I'm more afraid of it being huge. And if it's
just some dumb, hoppy me and my friend of doom?
What did I get myself into? Okay, let's let me
stop tripping. I put in my earbuds and force myself
to focus on something other than myself. Doubt ready or not,
here it comes to break, of course, I'd be Marco
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back to the train station. He's always mad late, It's
like clockwork. And while I'm stuck waiting, my mind dripped
back to the same old training thought. The video that
blew up on Vine just me freestyling over a Kanye
type beat I found on YouTube. After I posted that video,
my likes my shares, they went through the roof. Next
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day at school, everybody stopped me in the hall in
class Wherever asked me to take selfies with him. The
biggest hip hop law share my post on their pages.
I was famous overnight in that famous anyways. I gained
fifty k followers in less than forty eight hours. Parents
didn't quite understanding the oven until Ellen, Yes, Dad, Ellen,
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the one with the TV show shared my video on
national television. Ellen itself didn't invited me on, but my
parents thought I was too young. They wouldn't allow me
to fly out to Los Angeles to be a guest
on the new shows at Ellen or or anyone else
hosted on television, radio or even podcasts. Parts right, my
parents thought my freestyle was cute, but they freaked out
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it all the attention I was getting, some of which
was negative. After monitoring the comments over the weekend, my
parents to leading my account on Monday morning before they
dropped me off as school. They were afraid of me
being cyper bullied or distracted by internet fame or worse.
I mean, I thought I was just having fun and
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being myself. It's never my intention to go viral or whatever,
but I did. But man, when it happened, what a rush.
I just I never quite stopped chasing that feeling. Fast
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forward eight years later to the here and now. My
friend Marco was a self made social media influencer and
he's only seventeen years old. He doesn't follow trends. He
sets him height beast monitors his social media pages for direction.
Dude has been a tastemaker his whole life without even trying.
Marco has a soil of three hundred thousand followers. He
gets invited to these exclusive events in the city and
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he's not even old enough to drink yet. Man, tonight
is one of those events. He got two tickets to
see Levega Jolie live at the Brooklyn Bowl. I mean,
this show was sold out leves from Newark, so you
already know the love of cool kids gonna be in
the building. Not that would even get closer to the the
stage to see her performance, probably won't even get to
shake her hand and meet her. But Marco's big ideas
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to maneuver our way onto the press list and score
an interview with her tonight. My doubts had me scrambling
for a way out. I can't deny that Marco knows me.
He knows what makes me tick. He knows I want
that rush the rest of he gets all the time,
one post, one sound bite, one selfie blowing up that
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next level rush. I do a gut check on my
nerves and to show this closer and closer. We're on
the train now heading into Brooklyn from our queen's neighborhood
and far rockaway into the A tram. Once we arrived
at the Brooklyn Bowl, Marco gives the woman behind the
ticket count of our names. She asked if we're on
the press list. Mirco gives her a slick smile and responds, yes,
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my stomach is doing backflips. This is the moment of truth.
The ticket lady frowned and she looks through the papers
on the clipboard, shaking her head, ready to turn us down.
I feel my throat tighten again. My head is dizzy.
Ship ship ship not now, man, not now. I can't
the race, and thoughts start flying around my mind. I mean,
what if she kicks us out for lying about the
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press list? What if I have an anxiety attack right
here in the lobby. Okay, I gotta chill. She want
to call my parents to take me home, which is
humiliating enough, But then they'll find out we're doing this.
I'll be crowning from not telling them in this podcast
interview we have planned would be over before it begins.
When I get caught up like this, I can see
the oncoming crash, and I feel like there's no turning
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away Marco Joseph. If it's not there, then there's been
a mistake. Just like Marco, this dude is too smooth. Meanwhile,
I'm trying not to throw up the ticket. Lady calls
Neveta's rep, who comes up front to greet us, and
without hesitation, Marco introduces himself with me. At least he
recognizes Marco's name, special Influencer, inviting all I'm still focusing
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on my breath, playing it cool and trying to hide
the fear of my eyes. Let it. Marco leads, really,
this is my creative partner, Ruben Robinson, my schedule to
an interview Nevea. But it looks like we're left off
the press list. Vea's rep looks amused, probably thinking these
kids got balls or we're out of our damn minds.
There's a long pause. You're right, you're not on the list.
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I checked my hands to make sure they aren't shaken.
I don't. We're about to get kicked out. I know it,
and if he sees my nerves, it'll be my fault.
I can't let Marco down like this, but I like
your hustle follow me. A sense of really floods my
veins like a cold shower. I held it together barely
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because we walked through the crowd. The rep asked if
we want to meet an available before the show. She's
got a few minutes and it will be our only chance.
The rep is talking about a meet and Greece, so
I kind of have to force the subject of the interview,
even in the green room. But of course we respond
yes in a nonchalant tone. Like it isn't a big deal.
MARCOA makes small talk smoothly drops that we got a podcast,
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and the rep loves the name. Here comes the break,
Only we don't have a podcast, not yet anyway. The
rep looks at us, smiles slightly. He's clearly amused with Marco.
My stomach has stopped doing flips, but now it feels
like there's a lead brick in there. I didn't think
this will work, but now we're here and there is
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no turning back. I'm seventeen and about an interview one
of the hottest up and coming artists in the city.
I've been waiting my whole life for this moment. I've
loved hip hop since I was little. I remember being
real young, like six, and hearing beats bleed through the
walls from my parents room. It was my dad who
introduced me the legendary artists like jay Z and Naas,
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who told me the stories behind each track, about their
lives growing up, fast money cars and beasts that cost
mcs like Biggie and packed their lives. He taught me
the hip hop was born in the South Bronx. He
exposed me the cool Hurt Run DMC and African Bambiden
through Death Jam and the rise of Gangster Rapp. They're
never in the story. I was obsessed with hip hop.
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I wanted to meet my favorite artists, dive into the culture,
and spread the gospel. The minute I started getting the platform,
my parents just shut all that down. I see my
parents frowning and alarmed at the side of the amount
of followers I gained overnight. I'm reminded of my parents discouragement.
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I get it on some level, particularly from my mom,
who's always extra alert to the dangers of me putting
myself out there as a young black man. She might
not disapprove this podcast I did now that I'm seventeen,
but she definitely won't be cool with me and Marco
sneaking into the city and night behind her back. I
can feel the tightness in my chest, the stack of
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breathing as I pull out my phone to review the
questions I prepared to ask Nova if we actually got
this far as if you couldn't tell. I have anxiety.
I was diagnosed with it at ten years old. I've
been taking medication ever since. Sometimes it works better than
other times. Honestly, until the night, I never thought of
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my angsty diagnosis that's connected to my board of fifteen
minutes of fame. But moments like this are triggering. I
should feel exhilarated, proud, and excited, but I'm preparing for
the worst. Something bad will happen, something will ruin this
moment for me, or maybe I'll ruin it for myself.
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In a weird way, I want that to happen to
take the pressure off. I know that on some level,
the real reason Marco insists that I joined him on
this adventure is because he wants to have a reason
to keep hanging out. My parents arranged for a transfer
to a stem Magnet school booker t Washington High when
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school starts. Marco and I don't want to lose our friendship,
and keep telling myself tonight doesn't have to be about
anything bigger than that we arrived closer in the Vedas
green room, Marco little ship that he is locked size
and smiles at those who aren't getting access backstage like
we are. We're being treated like v I peace and
it feels electric For a short shining moment, I don't
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feel like a snowball careening downhill. I feel all the
way up, like fat Joe and Remy my. The door
opens and the publicist woman needs Marco went out into
the green room and I swallowed the rise and pit
in my stomach. Novella. Great to see you, Marco, Joseph
Ruben Robinson, we're here for the interview. Holy shit, there's
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that adrenaline rush. When the ride a home. Marco can't
stop help the photos of us. When the he writes,
teasing captains to read a night to remember and new
project coming soon. Marcot was crazy. I'm happy you had
a great time, but I'm just trying to save her
every bit of day. Endorphin high and filing after that interview,
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but as we get back to town and head back
to Marco's place, I feel sad. All of a sudden,
the closest we've ever been tonight. But what if this
is the last time it's like this? What if changing
schools changes us. It's like on the trip home, I've
been able to fly all the stresses and fixations that
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was lashing onto in my panic. I left them way
down below me on the ground. All those issues seem
so small and manageable. All of a sudden, the thing,
the actual thing, the interview, We got it, but I'm
coming back to earth. Marco and I both knowing but
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not saying that this is the end of an era,
knowing but not saying this podcast it's our best shot
to make this the start of something new and great instead.
Marco may be in Internet sensation, but I'm the one
getting into a private stem school starting next week. He'll
still be back in public school in some ways. He
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needs to pop more than I do. You know, Marco
is addicted to every hit on his social media accounts.
That's just the world he lives in. I always tol
him that this goes well, and as if he's reading
my mind, he turns to me and says, hey, Ben,
thanks for doing this with me. Thanks for pushing me. Man.
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When we get back to Marco's house, it's at it
in time. It's pretty late and his parents are already asleep,
so we raided the catchen for snacks, takis and prettzels
and the red Bull. Each we rush up the stairs
to Marco's room so we could dig into the Neva interview.
Keep on riding that high. Yeah, and it's the last
weekend of the summer, so if we want to, we
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could stay up till dawn and sleep tomorrow away. I
was turning the interview over in my head on the
train ride back while Marcot was on his phone, So
once we're safely in his bedroom, we immediately snapped back
into mind. Mailed Mark, just leaving some of the casual
stuff on either end. Help things feel real intimate. Oh,
we're gonna want to score the opening and closing with
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the tight beat for now the job. On the girl
group question, she really opened up about her mom, and
I'm bringing the closer we get to complete in the pot,
the more I start to feel my anxiety return, just
bubbling up from within me. Oh shit, I just realized
I forgot to take my meds. I've been so distracted
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that it didn't even cross my mind. And to be honest,
my Clopin could put me to sleep, which I've been
too busy for. While the audio file renders, I pulled
the pill, bought a lot of my bag and duck
out to the bathroom and wash one down. When I
step back into the room, Marco was pulling the microphone
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from his closet and hooking it up to his laptop.
What are we recording? You've got to introduce yourself to
the masses. Bro queue up the interview with an intro
in a sign off. Damn, he's right. I've been so
focused on the interview itself. But there's another part of this.
I hadn't thought through the big picture. I don't want
to tell my parents, but if I'm the face of
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this project, then it gets the audience we want. I
can't keep pretending this is just gonna be a fun
amateur poty with my friend. If it hits, we're not
gonna be business man. We're gonna be a business man.
I can't hide that from my parents forever. The combination
of the long night in the city, the head trip
of success, the lack of sleep, and Miss Mad's it's
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got me tripping, and without thinking, I blurt out, can
we disguise my voice? Marco throws some serious I what, no, man,
We have to lay effects back over the whole interview.
The sun's coming up. It'll be worth it. Maybe it's
part of a stage name, a persona. The anonymity could
give us a little mistique. Okay, okay, that's interesting what
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you're having in mind. I scrambled for an idea, jittery
winging it, I suggested this out of panic, But now
I gotta keep my nerves about me and back it up.
How about mask on like a play on futures. Mask
Off could be a play on Corona culture too. I mean,
you know all right, it has potential. If I start
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on divorce distortion as soon as we lock down the
intro on autro, we could still post it today. And
I gotta record the central and noutre before that climb
up and kicks in the fact I fell off my
med schedule on his own and starting to freak me out.
You can throw off my mood for days. Not what
I need right now. I got a family dinner celebrateing
Mynday school tomorrow. Marcos starts to take with a tap
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on his track pad. Okay, mask On, step up to
the mic. We'll so we's set out there, podcast world.
We are coming at you, fresh from the van of
Joel Show at the Brooklyn Bowl after wrapping up an
interview with one of the hottest new artists in the game.
She's fly too. That's what we do here and here
comes to break. You get used to that. I'm your
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host mask on, and that's what those earbuds in and
enjoy our exclusive interview with Nevea Jolie. I don't know
where it comes from, but I feel way less anxious
and more confident behind this PERSONA killer first take and
I'll try to outro. That's our interview with the Veta. Hey,
the show was amazing. Showing some love like follow and
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I'm mask on. This is your place for the hottest
and breaking new artists. Ready or not, here it comes
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second episode lined up. The plug you worked around it.
Don't sweat it for now. I'll here comes to break
official accounts, cross posts on my accounts. We'll have artists
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coming to us once we hit some real numbers, and
until then, we just gotta step up our hustle going
out to shows rollsoving me like a wave. This thing
is real. Now the thought scares me. It's rattling around
my brain, throwing the elbows and the climb up and
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still doesn't feel like it's kicking in. Suddenly have a
panic thought and check my book back again. Shit, I
brought the wrong pill bottle. This is my adderall I
took an adderall by mistake. Oh, there's no way I'm
getting any sleep. Now, I'm going to be up all
day and walking in the family dinner tonight with raw nerves.
The big celebration to me starting a book of t
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and I'll be lucky if I'm a zombie on type
of line to them about why was tonight? Now I'm
gonna have to cover up my exhaustion and adrenaline and
they're gonna see if right through it. Oh, the voice
whispers inside of me. Oh no, here it comes all
my anxieties. They're coming together, and that big familiar blob
of fear. Now, Yo, Reuben, it's time to work. I
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step up to the mic. Adrenaline anxiety coursing through me.
Let's screw it. Here calms the break. We'll be right
back and now back to the show. In an industry
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that is constantly trying to define artists, can you tell
our listeners in your own words? Who is Novea Joe
Lee h Who is Novejoli Novego Lee. I am an artist,
a full on creative, crazy person, singer, songwriter, actress, future entrepreneur.
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I do a lot, but I'm still defining myself every day.
You get my own words. Wow wow okay, okay. You
know every artist has that when they step into a room,
when they walk, the way they dress, speak, sing. How
do you maintain to develop that? WHOA? My number one
role is to always keep it playing, so you know,
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I gotta stick to that definitely, and just being yourself
as an artist. The goal is to be entertaining, but
the goal is also to be able to express yourself
and the best way you can. So if people are
digging it, they're gonna dig it. You just gotta be
you keep it playing. Okay, Okay, I feel I feel
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you and you go right. And so you were eight
years old, So tell me what road is writing playing
your life? Writing is my expressions, my voice, pen and paper,
just typing it out and my notes is it's getting
that emotion out. It started off with a little colone
little songs. Since I was eight, I carried around a
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journal and I just whenever I thought of something, I
just wrote it down. It's kind of like just a release.
If I have built up energy, I can't sit on it.
I need it to get out of my system. So
I write every day, just trying to express myself. Did
you view it as a film a therapy? Definitely? Definitely.
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It's processing. It's ways to get out an emotion you
you have and you can't necessarily say it, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I'm not the best at articulating
my thoughts, so I'll have to write it out. I'll
have to because I'm better with that. The switching gears here.
How how have you built your following, especially on social media? Well,
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it's been it's been, you know, going up these past
like two years, and I've just been building relationships with
my plays and it's dope. It's dope. I really just
try to stay true to myself, try to post relatable content,
just try to reach out to people, talk to people,
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go live and just really use my platform to not
only advertise my music and advertise what I'm doing, but
just to be there for people, you know, and to
connect about current events like Black Lives Matter. Yeah, that's
what that's That's what it's there for. Definitely speaking about it.
Tell me, how how are you personally coping with all
the civil own rest. Well, it's always been there and
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always been a problem. It's literally one of my only
triggers that make me like angry or make me flustered.
Just racism, police brutality, all that nonsense. My first fight ever,
my first fight that I ever got into, was on
that topic and um, I got body slammed by a dude.
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It was in the army program in my high school. Yeah,
I'm just very passionate about that type stuff. And it's
so tiring. It's just tiring, it's exhausting. It's not gonna
stop anytime soon unless people actually wanted to and make
a difference. So you were in your first girl group
of tend called the Perfect Storm. When lessons did you
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learn from that experience? Oh, my gosh, rhythm definitely. Rhythm. Wow.
I was doing like choreography at ten and it would
get me so frustrated, but it helped. It helped a lot,
and it just it got me used to positive and
negative feedback, people telling you how it is to your
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face as a kid, like I'm getting nose left and right.
Because I used to audition for stuff on the side too,
because I was also acting. So I would just catch
the train to New York with my mom every day,
every weekend, anytime she got off of work, and it
was just audition after audition, So it just taught me
a lot about the industry, you know, But it was
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just me and my mom was not like the most
extreme mamager ever. But when I said that I wanted
to do music, she was like, if you want to
do it, we gotta get you on vocal lessons, we
gotta do this, we gotta get you doing theater, we
gotta do this that that. Well, what are getting that
support from your mom? Meaning you and mental lot? At
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first I wanted to be a scientist and she was
like super for that. But when I was like, Okay, no,
I really want to do this music thing. We've been
doing it for real, Let's do it for real, for real,
of course she was going to support me. I was
just so eager. There was no way that she was
going to stop me. You know what I'm saying. She
had to be there for it, and she believed in
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me entirely, and she still believes in me now and
she's definitely rooting for me. So that's amazing. What advice
would you get the families and parents about supporting a
teenager that wants to pursue the arts. If you see
their dedicated and you see that they really mean it
in their grades are good, then my thing doing, man,
I don't do it. Man. I kept my honor roll.
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But this is for all y'all aspiring artists. Keep your
grades good. If you're trying to convince your parents that
you got your life, figure it out. Keep your grades decent,
and then they'll they'll believe you. They'll believe your promise.
Keep your grades good. That's a going, that's a going.
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I know you're in the guide in meditation and drawing
and painting. What does your wellness routine look like if
you have them. I don't really have a routine. I
try to meditate as much as I can, like every day,
every other day. I try to draw a little bit
in my journal, right, a little bit of poetry or
a song. And final question, what would you like your
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legacy to be? Maybe just having a good personality, like
just being a good person. I just I just want
to be you know that cool old lady you know
everybody remembers. Well, I'm sure your jeans are great. You know,
I'm not gonna look like an old lady once you
become an old lady. You're right, I'm gonna still be
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on tour like Shoot, I'm gonna be out here yoke.
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