Actor Keean Johnson in the studio!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From My Arm Radio, Common Enemy and Tendum with TV
The Pal Podcast Pal, Hey Pal with Jared and dab Dave?
Can you chew quieter? Oh gosh, here you go again.
I don't I don't know what that means. Okay, so
here we go. We have got a very unique episode.

(00:23):
We're doing very unique, very unique. We have our very
first in in studio Yes ever, yes, okay, we're stopping
for ever. We're making history. We're making history with that. Okay,
we're gonna get to that in a second. We've got
our chip everyone's eating Chipotle. Our sponsor we've got we
were gonna try to get a sponsor. I think like

(00:45):
that would be really cool. Thank you, Ken. That's our guests.
We're gonna introduce him in a second. Okay, we've got
our Chipotle bag. This is gonna be our first full
visual in studio episodes. You can watch this online. Kyle,
is that true? This is true? Okay? You just you
just corroborated. You've got Chipotle and then also Dave, as
you can see over there in the corner right, I's
got my own personal bodyguard. Yes, And why do you

(01:07):
why does someone with no credits need to bodyward? Well,
actually our guest key in which again we'll introduce it
a second. He's very familiar with my credits. Can you
can you tell everybody a couple of my credits? Well,
remember Jared bushes me off and he'll, you know, throw
one of my credits that I might not be too
proud about. I'll just text him two words in the

(01:29):
first word is hoodie and the second word is guy.
And if you go on IMDb you can find Jared
Einson playing hoodie. Guy is kind of his m O.
It's my m O. And not only that waiter number one,
thank you Keen for that. But Dave, now do you
see why? Do you see why I need bodyguard? Dave said,

(01:50):
this is a couple of weeks ago when you brought
your bodyguard. It's because you're such an asshole with people
that there's a possibility that you're you were wearing a
hoodie and that Lindsay Lohan one to well, whatever the reason,
it is, b A B A you got me right,
He's on it. He doesn't wait for at all. We've
got Chipotle going, We've got Keyan Johnson in the studio,

(02:10):
all right, so here here we go. We're just gonna
go straight into it. Let's get into it. I'm excited.
I'm excited about our first guest. I'm very by the
way you can look into that, Dave. I have to
teach Dave the ins and out. See, if you were
a hoodie guy, you would have already known the in
set that you don't. I was Driveway player number one
in basketball, so that is very true. Okay, So we're excited.

(02:35):
We want to let all the hay Power listeners know
a little bit about you, Kei. And so our next
guest has start in big blockbuster movies like Alita, Battle
Angel for James Cameron. He has appeared devo on hit
TV shows I Think, what is It? Nashville Nashville love
that show that is Dave's favorite. He called me last

(02:56):
night Keian just to like be like dude, Keen and
Nashville just so awesome. I love it. I love it,
and he killed it, he really does. But listen, here
is why we are here. This kid has been on
absolute fire. He stars in Cutthroat City, which has gone
to the number one spot on Netflix. Um, you know,
starring opposite people like t I Ethan Hawk, Wesley Snipes,

(03:22):
Terrence Howard to Meet your Ship Junior Denzel Whittaker. I
know we could go on and on, and Hulu released
his movie The Ultimate Playlist of Noise, which has gotten incredible,
incredible reviews. My Bodyguard included and Kyle Tequila. Let's big,
have a big just let's I'm okay My Bodyguard included

(03:46):
Kyle Tequila. Sometimes you get a second take for a
guy take ad Bye, um, let's give a big round
of applause. Yeah, I just dropped my first piece. It's okay,
It's okay, we'll have uh no, no, actually it's not okay.
Don't do that again. All right. So, Kian, this is

(04:09):
while you're eating, while everyone is eating, This is what
we wanted to dive in right away and talk to
you about. Dave and I, uh off offline, we've argued
a little bit about what is the difference between an
individual kind of sport and a team sport? Right correct,
And so we talked about football a bunch. I mean, Dave,
tell her what you think is an individual I do,

(04:29):
but tell everybody why you think is a team sport.
So I can take a bottom of my taco sponsored
well the perfect example of why it's a team sport
and the playoffs. This last weekend the Chiefs game, Travis Kelsey,
who's a tight end start tight end for the Chiefs,
made an incredible block that allowed one of their wide
receivers to make like a fifty seven yard game. So
had Travis not done that, it's it's a team. You

(04:51):
need the team to come together to make those special
plays happen. So, in my opinion, football as a team
sport all the way, Well, I think it's an individual
I won't get into it right now. I want to
hear from our guests, But do you think that acting
when you're on set, are you finding it's more of
an individual um sport so to speak, where you have
to like make sure you're on point and it's all

(05:13):
about you, know you, and then everyone else needs not
all about you in a vain way, but like you know,
you have to do your job and you have to
then make sure everyone else does their job, you know, individualistically,
or do you think that it's more of a team sport. Um,
we're hitting you with the herd, the hard hitter is
right away. Well, I don't think I'm at the place
in my career where I gonna make that decision. Um,

(05:37):
so I just kind of go on and I kind
of I see how you just kind of see what
it is if it feels like everyone's kind of I
think it just depends on if everyone's really excited about
the project, then it feels like a team effort. And
then if you know you can tell people are like
super not down with the project, it's obviously then you

(05:58):
just kind of have to go by yourself and just
you know, give your best performance in whatever field you know,
with your cinematographer, the director, or an actor. I think
that if you're feeling like everyone's like, you know, not
there as a team, you know, that's more of a
moral thing, so you so you do think so then
it's more of like a you think that people should

(06:18):
show up to set though, and it should be a
team sport because in my opinion, I just think, like,
you know, look, I've I've made a movie with you,
Kyle and I both have made movies with you, Um,
you know, and I just think that it's everyone has
to individually. It feels like to me more do their
job because you can't, so to speak in in like
basketball terms, you know, you can have a guy come

(06:40):
and set a pick for you. You can pick and roll.
If you miss the shot, they can get the rebound.
You know, they can have your back. They're playing offense
or playing defense. And that's why you know side note,
I didn't think that football is. You know, you can,
you can, you can contribute always. But guess what Keyan
Johnson can't do. Keenan Johnson can't show up to set
give this unbelievable performance, but then the next scene that
he's not in, like he can't then like, you know,

(07:02):
pick up that actor slack. And I'm not saying that
there's you know, it's your job too, but like that's
why I feel like it's more well, it's like offense
defense though, right it's like they're still sitting on the
sidelines when the when the other team is defending. I
think that's like, you know, that's that's why overall it's
kind of like the coach or the director who kind
of has to keep everyone in line and keep everyone

(07:24):
excited to like make something really special. Um, but yeah,
I think it's Yeah, it comes down to that. It's
like if it's like that, it should be a team.
But that kind of that can degrade and that can
he brings up a great point, though, I mean, it's
it's on a film set. It's the director's job. I mean,
the directors like a symphony conductor, right, and he's telling

(07:45):
everyone how to do their parts and how to how
to play their thing. And he's the one overseeing what
the cinematographers doing, overseeing what the actors doing, making sure
that hair and makeup is okay, making sure that continuity
is okay. So it's very much of a team team
after in my opinion, I mean, okay, I'll take I'll
take the l on this one. If both of you

(08:06):
think that it's a team sport, well, what about we
wanted to ask you. You're just such an individual in
your home, it's all about you all the time. What
you know you feel body bodyguard? Bodyguard? Yeah, he agreed, Dave.
Dave's Dave being dragged off the set right now, folks.
I'm sorry that the rest of the interview, I'm not concerned.
I feel that the bodyguard might be on my side,

(08:27):
and the bodyguard is getting getting paid handsomely. Um you know, so, well,
what about what are you paying in fruit roll ups?
Don't answer that? Um, what about what about the physicality?

(08:47):
You know, on this show, we do we do a
lot of parallels. We we like to try to you know, um,
compare sports and the entertainment industry. And you know, Dave
had a great, a great point of like you know,
for those who don't know, Keian Keen comes from the
h heavily from the dance world. Um, you grew up
a dancer, and and we were wondering, you know about

(09:07):
the different physicality or the or the you know, the
likeness of the physicality aspect of being a dancer and
having to get that sort of in shape and the
balance that you have to center yourself, you know with
and compared to, you know, with an athlete and what
they kind of have to have to do. Um, yeah,
for sure. I mean I think that the like the

(09:29):
base level of just like body awareness that I kind
of got from starting dancing at like five years old,
I think that over time, when I did decide I
wanted to start acting, just like like little stunt Choira
feel like there's a fight scene, I felt like I
could pick up that because it's just choreography at the

(09:49):
end of the day, it's not an actual fight. So
I felt like I could pick that up a lot
faster because it felt like a dance So I felt
like having that, you know, having that training uh beforehand,
just in like also character development to like just and
how your character walks and how you're um uh yeah,

(10:09):
I think all of that, I have to think because
of the early training that I had just in like
you know, crack Field dance studios and all over Colorado.
I mean there's a lot of similarities too real quick
by the way, Sorry, no, I think it's really cool
because you know, I was telling Jared this last night

(10:30):
that a lot of a lot of athletes, you know,
at a certain point their training became taking dance classes,
and especially on football and tennis, even because the footwork
and the amount of dexterity it takes your working different
muscles and just the awareness on the court or how
it helps you on the football field. That was a big,

(10:51):
big part of why a lot of a lot of
teams you know, have dance incorporate in some capacity. Um
and especially like some of the greatest running accident ever
played in the NFL, A lot of them trained as
dancers as well. Yeah, exactly, So I think it's it's
really really cool, and I think you brought up a
good point that you know, there's certain things that you

(11:11):
learn doing that, especially with discipline and how your body works,
and you know, movements and things that can translate very
well to film. So I think that's really cool. What
about the weights of it all, Like where did you
did you have to lift a lot of weights like
to be a dancer or did you feel like you did,
because obviously athletes usually feel like we have to lift weights.
You know, there's definitely there's there's no um. It's more

(11:33):
about flexibility and those type of things, right, Yeah, and
you gain you gain different muscles from I mean the
muscles you gain from ballet, Like it's all body strength
that lifting your arms and having just like complete control,
like just small movements like that. Really, but nothing is
sort of like you know, you never see any dancers
trying to like get gains, but not trying to like

(11:54):
yoke up for the next dance competition. Right. Well, what's
what's interesting, Dave, is actually nowadays I'll bet you it's
less it's it's less about weights and more about like
what Kien is saying about centering and balancing, like you know,
because of the eurostep in basketball and like just all
these guys that want to have more of a center balance,
you know, James Harden, like all these guys, Um, they're
probably all doing a lot more yoga, a lot more. Yeah,

(12:15):
it's pretty it is pretty interesting. Well, it's a more
modern way of doing things. And obviously, like I said,
like you know, the dance being and implemented with athletes
goes back you know, probably twenty thirty years. But now
yoga and and breathing and centering yourself because breathing is
a big part of dance too, right, Being able to
do the movements and be able to control your breath

(12:36):
and have your breath not get away from you. It
takes a lot of endurance. Yeah, And I think the
other parallel is like there's also also takes a lot
of endurance to be your partner in this ship. Well,
at least I have endurance. And like you, we can
call a few girls about that. Took a little by
it and you just got devour. That's usually how it goes.

(13:00):
Feel sorry for cutting right now, um are saying what
were we saying? Don't go anywhere, Hey, Pam will be
right back after a word for our sponsors. Yeah, there,

(13:24):
I think there's a there's like a there's only a
certain amount of years that you can, you know, be
an athlete, and there's a certain amount of years that
you can be a dancer too, And then I feel
like as an athlete, you either after that you either
start reporting right on ESPN or whatever like or then
or you become part of the team in some capacity

(13:45):
as a coach. And as a dancer you get to
that level where you're getting older and um, you're kind
of done also just learning other people's chography and taking
other people's art and you know, flushing that out for them.
So you you know, you see a lot of dancers
who want to stay in the industry, they become choifers

(14:05):
and then so it's kind of interesting that ever, you know,
you only have a finite of time where you're at
like your peak of dancing ability. Yeah, for sure. Well,
and that's one of the things that I think is
so incredible too, when you talk about like big performers,
like obviously one of the greatest of all time, Michael Jackson,
you know, for him to be able to sing and
dance and perform at the same time. You know, obviously

(14:28):
Chris Brown is as a modern version of that usher,
But the amount of the shape that those guys have
to be in to do that is pretty much the
same as the shape that a world class athlete has
to be in to be at the peak of their sports.
Is also the shape that me and you will never
be in because we're sponsored by Tripos. All right, So, UM,

(14:53):
I'm gonna go to this one. Um, the what do
you think makes a bigger impact or bigger friends? If
you're the first pick in a draft or if you
get picked in the second round. Like, if you're the
first pick and everyone you know knows, like Trevor Lawrence
right now, come out of Clemson into the NFL, everyone
knows that Trouble Lawrence is gonna be the number one pick,

(15:14):
and there's a certain amount of pressure that comes with that. Um,
what do you think if you're the number one pick
or if you're a second round pick that maybe not
as much as expected of you. What do you think
is harder to do to kind of prove yourself or
to kind of live up to the expectation. Yeah, I
guess you can take it into your own world, can
you know? Because you've been a lead in movies? Uh,

(15:34):
the ultimate playlist of Noise. I think you might be
in like every single frame, right basically, well, but I mean,
I mean you are, you know, but but you are
the leader of the movie, and then you have other
things where you're like a supporting right, So it's like
it's like, what is that different perspective is it? Is
it harder? Is it harder to be the lead? You know,

(15:55):
like Dave was just talking about, you are the first
pick in the draft, you know, and you know you
have to work that much harder to stay the lead
or is it harder to you know? Or what is
the difference in and when you're like more of a
supporting and you're like, gosh, I gotta prove something and
do my job. So the next time I am the
first round drop pick um. Yeah, I mean I don't

(16:16):
I feel like I don't know. I feel like there's
sometimes like you know, you have you have these great
like supporting characters, and like I mean, revolution revolutionary Road.
I always think of like Michael Shannon. He's only in
the movie for like five seconds, but he's the only
scene I remember in the whole movie. So for for
me personally, you don't remember Leonardo Dicavri on that movie.
I'll continue, um No, but I thought that, like still,

(16:39):
I think that that's just such a powerful it's just
such a powerful moment um and he's only in it
for such a short amount of time, so I don't
really think. I don't know if it equates, because obviously
you have um in and in like in like football
or you know, in these sports, I feel like you
have these these people who kind of like take the

(17:00):
way of the team when they do something extraordinary, and
I yeah, I mean I guess that you can kind
of equate that too, like you know, these small characters
in the film, because I feel like sometimes they can
carry it and you think about them, well, you talk
about people that like steal scenes. I mean, where you
have those certain actors that they just they do a

(17:20):
scene in a movie and they just steal it, you know,
and they have that moment that everybody talks about and
everybody brings up um And I think that's, you know,
something that's really really cool. So sorry, don't worry about it. Cancel.
We gotta for those that are listening, he's dropped a
lot of sport on the ground. Well, Kean, what about
what about for you. Just just take for you the

(17:42):
example of a lead as opposed to a supporting you
know which one which for you? Which one for you
makes you want to work harder? You know what I mean?
If you're you were just in an ensemble and cutthroat city, right,
does it does it? Uh? You know, we do kind
of on the sports terms on this on the show.
But does it does it make you uh leave that

(18:05):
that movie set? And even if you had a great time, go, man,
I just I want to go be a lead, you know?
Or does it make you go I had a great
time not having as many lines as I'm used to
and not having the camera on me as many times
as I'm used to, And I'm okay with that, you know,
I know it's different for actors. But what does it
make you feel like? I don't know if it's I
don't know, if I'm as competitive, I don't I don't

(18:27):
know if that like that the competitiveness with sports of
being like I want to be the best, the best.
I don't know if that comes with acting because it's
it says a subjective. It's so subjective. So I think
that parton I think that everyone, Um, I think that
I think that if uh, you know, some throughout my career,

(18:48):
some people might think I'm the best actor they've ever seen,
and some people might think that I'm absolute trash. But
in sports, you can't say that certain people are absolute
trash when they've obviously like there's yeah, there's statistics, there's
no real so so you're not you're not as competitive.
So when you when you do a supporting role, you
don't leave the set going, man, the next one's got
to be a lead. It's just what did you do

(19:09):
with that supporting role? It's what it wasn't a Heath
Ledger supporting in the Dark Night? But isn't that his movie?
You know what I mean? Like that, Like, I don't
think it answers for sure, Yeah that is. I mean, that's,
by the way, one of my favorite performances probably, I
mean a lot of people. You still need to get
that poster out of my ship. You don't know what
you're talking about, bodyguard. He's talking back to me. Can

(19:35):
we can we get rid of the guest Key and
John Kyle store a few movie posters about seventeen bags
in your house just for a couple of months, just
for a couple of months. And by the way, I
will say that that totally backfired on me. And the
reason backfired is because it's been there, key And how
long was it there for like two years? The bag
with all photos in it, So it was in there
for two years, right, So Keen's doing this great favorite.

(19:56):
So the other like right before Christmas, I'm like begging him,
can I just come over and get that bag and
like look through it. He's on his knees and so
I go over there, I get the bag and I'm like,
it's literally my bag with all my pictures from like
forever and they are just obviously because I'm a dummy,
I kept them in a in a shed, right, they're

(20:17):
all like destroyed of course, son, everything Like my first
my first girlfriend, you just kept him in a you
just kept him in like a sports bag. Yeah, I know.
That's why I'm telling a story. It's on the shed.
It's like, first of all, you justice because it's hot
and like, right, but if you but if you just
throw a bunch of or in a box. Even no
one told me that guy, maybe you just throw a

(20:37):
bunch of photos in a sports bag. I mean, look,
that is that is true Okay, well, look this leak,
this leads us to this leads us to our next thing.
And I think, I think I know what you're gonna say,
but we want to I think David, I c I
for this that we want to argue about it. But
it's it's a two part thing. You know, a lot
of people in acting they talk about the process and
the result, and they're they're very happy, you know with

(20:58):
the process. Just getting movie made is like an accomplishment,
you know, And as Kyle will attest to and and
anybody who who knows me, I hate that, you know,
I'm like, no, all that matters is the result. Was
the movie good? Was the movie not? Did the movie
make traction? Did the movie not? Right? Obviously we made
cut Throat City together. Cut Throat City just went number one.

(21:20):
I mean that's awesome. Like that means you know, the
people have spoken. Those are results. Those are kind of
like the stats in sports. Right, we can even say,
like maybe we want a championship with that, you know,
we summon the darkness. I think went to what did
it go? Like top seven or top four or five
on Netflix as well, which also Key and Johnson uh
loves his character and that starring starring talking about stealing scenes. Yeah,

(21:40):
Alexandra Dadario, Oh yeah, that's right. You did about that.
You called me and you said that you're like Key
and just steals the scenes, and uh, you know, so
those are results for you? What is it? What is
it like? Because for me, it's like, I don't care
about the process. Obviously I'm gonna put in all the
work I need to in the process, but but I
care about the result. I don't care about you know,
how hard we practice, going back to basketball terms, how

(22:02):
hard we played in the games. We didn't win the game.
You don't win the game. So what are what are
your thoughts? Um? I mean, personally, I hate it because
I don't like because yeah, once again I'm at I'm
not at a level in my career, Like I'm at
the level of my career where I need these films
to do really well so I can keep working. Um,

(22:24):
So which part do you hate? Though you're saying You're
saying I hate it that that it had like that
it is kind of about whether it's number one or
whether results. Yeah it is, you know, because because that
means okay, then this person, we're gonna give this person
another chance to make a movie. And for the longest,
I mean up until like three years ago, no one
hadn't even given me a chance to make one movie.

(22:45):
So and then you met a producer who gave you
a lot of chances. Right, Well, I lived in a
producer's house and I did a lot of things for
rent money. Well, you're saying in Hollywood, don't go anywhere, Hey,

(23:06):
Pam will be right back after a word from our sponsors.
Uh no. I yeah. So I think that I like,
I like the process whatever, because it's like if I
have I'm going to learn something on this, but like,
hopefully I'm gonna do this for you know, the rest

(23:26):
of my life. I'll be like, you know, what's his name,
Christopher Palmer is Christopher Palmmer won his first oscar eighty
something years old. Like that's amazing. He's been working his
entire life and so unlike an athlete, like there's longevity
to this and if you enjoy it, you can do
it literally forever. Um. So, so is the process more important? Though?
I learned? I learned something on every on every process,

(23:49):
like I and I like being on set a lot,
and I like, you know, seeing how shots are ultimately made,
and then I remember that and then I see it
how it's cut together, and I'm like, Okay, I see
like what they needed, what what they took, and then
what they ultimately needed in the end. I think also,
he's a true artist. And and even if you know,

(24:10):
if you guys look at his instagram, like the photographer
that he does, the pictures that he takes and all
that stuff, he's like, he's a true artist. So his
perspective is gonna be a little bit different than your
regular you know. That's why, hey, pal show we don't
have any wrong answers, right, it's his opinion, your opinion.
It's it's I just know that. Like, look, I've made
movies with you, Kian, Uh, Kyle and I both actually

(24:33):
and we've you know, we've made movies with with other people.
And for me, uh and maybe it is just my
competitive spirit and Dave, I would love for you to
speak on this for a second, but for me, I
don't care. Look, I remember me and you being on cutthroat, right,
I will give everybody an example because it's just it's
it's current right now, with it with it being out
and doing really well. Me and you went down there.
You got this incredible role right where you're like have

(24:56):
to braid your hair and and man, you were so
in character where you got down there. And I remember
going to your hotel room for the first time and
it was like it was like blackout, right, you covered
all the mirrors. You did like all you're smiling right
now because you probably were like, Jared, why are you
telling you? Everyone is? But you know, look, hey, we
we give people and a first inside look with Keyan
Johnson here on the hay Pal podcast show. Okay, they

(25:19):
get to know things that you won't tell other people.
But so you covered your you covered your you know,
your mirror and you you know, it was blackout and
all this stuff. And I remember walking in the room
and going, what the hell are you doing? I was like,
what is going on? And you looked at me and
you said, you know, look, I'm taking this very seriously.
If I see myself in the mirror, I might see

(25:39):
Keyan Johnson and I don't. And you didn't talk to
the third person, but you know what I'm saying. But
you're like, I might I wanted to. Yeah, You're like,
I might see myself and I don't. Want to see myself.
I want to be you know, my my character right now,
and I don't want to come out of that. And
it was very method of you, and I love that, right,
But if the movie the reason I tell the people
that is you took it very seriously, you know, I

(26:00):
took it very seriously. But if the movie is not
good at the end of the day and it comes
out and doesn't perform right, then I don't care that
you did that. And and it's not that I don't
care in a way of like you know, I don't
care about you. I don't care about I don't think
that I did my job. Then I don't think that
you did your I think I could have done a
better job with you. I think there's just so many

(26:20):
other things that I can do. And I don't want
the audience to be confused because because the movie business
is different, you know, like you you can think it's
good and I can think it's bad. But if it
comes out to the masses and they think it's bad,
then they win. And if they think it's good, then
then yeah. But at the same time, like I've never
been to New Orleans before, I'd never know I didn't
know what second line was, Like, I like basically got

(26:42):
paid to like see a completely different culture to live
in the ninth ward understand what that was like, Like
I don't give a ship if the movie like did
nothing because I I mean, I guess you're the producer
and you paid me to do that. So no, this
is like perspective people, It's like from from me. It's
like people see my performance, they'll like what I did
in the movie, or they won't. But at the end

(27:03):
of the day, it's like, yeah, I had like one
of the most amazing experiences working with like uh rizk
who I basically started dancing to his music when I
was five six years old. Uh, I'm sure my uh
you know, my parent mom got a pretty literally liberal um.
But you know, it was just like it was like
a pretty amazing dream. Good of the process, like everything

(27:27):
of like being in that um, being in that city
and learning about so many different Like that's that's the problem.
Like if that's if you're talking about the process, not
like where you get to go and like you know,
we get to like go to like the coolest places
and be on like weird sets and like I was
in a I was in a weird strip club with

(27:47):
like fake strippers were extras like doing it like it's
just like you you're in a wacky world that you
don't like. It's just it's it's it's weird, like it's
it's you know, and we're it's I think that the
process is is like, you know, who cares if anything else?
But at the end of the day, it's money. And
I know that maybe from a producer's perspective, you think

(28:08):
that you've done a good job if it hits that level,
because that you're you're from that money. You're well half
creative but half money side of like that, you're also
thinking of that. I come in not thinking of that
at all. Well, I also know that, look, we just
had a number one together and that's really really cool
and a baby. I don't care. Wait a minute, I

(28:29):
don't care if it's number one, but I do care
if like the masses out there or like this is
a bad movie or a good movie. Yeah, but at
the end of the day, don't you want to be
proud of your work? And if you feel that you
left it out all out on the field and you
did the best that you could, aren't you proud of
that whether you like it or he likes it, or
he likes it or she likes it, because I feel
like me and you've talked to him about this before,

(28:50):
and you you care about the result, which is what
I care about. Well, I care about the result. But
there's a lot to be said for the process and
having that experience, and like what can and said for
like to be able to Resa, for example, he's a
friend of a pal of ours, you know, that directed
the film. To have that experience of having that person
that most people think of as a musical artist first,

(29:12):
they don't think of him as a director first, to
be able to have that experience, like that's so freaking cool,
you know what I mean? And and just to learn
from that. So even if for him if the movie
didn't do anything, you know, just to have that that
moment in time that experiences is awesome. And I've been
on sets of movies that we knew were gonna be
huge successes. What were you doing? I've been on sets

(29:39):
and um, you know, I've been on sets where you know,
we didn't know if if a project was gonna do
well or not, and it did. And again, it's it's
all about being in the moment. And I think his
answer it's a lot different Rikian because he's such, like
I said, he's such an artist. He looks at things differently,
so for him, it's a learning process. So like he said,

(29:59):
whether or it succeeded or not wasn't really as important
to him as having the experience. I mean, I'm sure
if I was a studio executive, like I'd be like,
it's not it's all about the it's all about the money.
It's all about the results. And I feel like that's
why it looks it's weird business be it's like half
art half fight. Yeah, And it's strange because that's you
hear about these like these low budget projects that end

(30:22):
up blowing up, Like when Blair, Witch and Blair which
came out. It turned the industry upside down because it
cost X amount of dollars to make. It was like
how much was it? And it did like millions? Yeah,
I mean, it just completely flipped, you know, and those
filmmakers they were just doing it for the love of

(30:43):
the process. In the film. They didn't There's no way
on earth they could have thought I was gonna do
a billion dollars, you know, I'm not Look, I'm not
trying to belittle the process, like I think you still
have to enjoy. But I just think, you know, I
think and and I feel like me and you are
cut from the same cloth here, like when we come
from the sports you know background, Dave, is that uh
you know, I'll enjoy the process. But if I if

(31:05):
I lost, I still lost, and I care a lot
about I care more about that than enjoying the process. Um,
for me, it's about results, yeah, I mean on the field,
it's it's I feel I feel like you've gotten soft
on me here, like I did. I think inspired me
a little bit in a little We've got a movie
star in our a pell studio and you've already gone
soft to me, and he's he's wearing off and you

(31:26):
I think he inspired me a little bit, just to
look at it a little bit different. But again, I
hope you just keep eating your chipoli so we're gonna
have to hear from you again. Um, would be a
pleasant surprise for everybody. But um, you know again obviously
on the on the playing field, like you want to win, okay,

(31:46):
like as a fan, all right, I do not want
my seventies sixers to make it the NBA Finals and lose.
I want them to win. That's the result that I want.
And to be honest, I don't think I wanted to
make the finals if they don't. Ken, I'm just gonna
be honest with you for a second. I'm I'm gonna
expose everyone. I'm chewing. Dave's trying to act like he

(32:08):
doesn't care. This comes from a guy. When the Philadelphia
Eagles made to the Super Bowl and after they won, Okay,
he was easy crying. He was crying the guys. This
is a true story. Tell everyone who you wrap the
Super Bowl with Julius Irving, dor Dr Kevin Hart, Yes, yes,
who else? Jamie Fox? Jamie Fox? And he is in

(32:31):
the middle in a row with these guys and they
win the Super Bowl and he he couldn't even move.
He's sitting there going, oh my god. He just starts crying.
And there's video, by the way, guys online if you
go to Dave boss cost there is Instagram, there is Okay,
Kyle's gonna put this least to but do do we
also talk about the reason that I was so emotional.

(32:51):
I don't want to talk about that right now. Okay,
because you're gonna feel bad, right it makes me, well,
obviously makes me sad, no context, at the of the day,
At the end of the day, I do actually love
you and care about you, even though I try to
act like but yes, it is. It is sad. You
can tell that, you know. It's not sad. It was
just it was it was beautiful. I was I was
crying out of joy because my team want but the

(33:12):
beauty of my father passed away and Philly sports was
like our thing. So having that moment to see our
team win was like, I was overwhelmed. It was. It
was awesome that that family connection. And that's one of
the differences between I think sports and and and film
is you know, in that moment, there's there's that connection

(33:32):
of oh my god, our our our team did this.
And you might have that in movies when you know,
you win the Oscar or something like that, when you
have that award. But again, our our genius guests put
in perspective because it's all subjectives about it's all subjective.
It's it's you know, some people, like he said, some
people might love his performance and something and one thing,
and they might think it sucks in another thing. So

(33:54):
it's yeah, we have to believe. We have to believe
that one out Kyle, just because um Kean never cusses
and we want to keep the good boy image. I don't.
So he's changing, Yeah, exactly, he's changing, right. You see,
you inspired him inspired, you inspired him, he started cussing.
So the last part of that question is, Dave and

(34:16):
I love Tom Brady. We respect him so much. And
Tom Brady obviously was a famous quote, but he was
He was just quoted in saying this a couple of
times that they're there. He was saying do or don't
there is no trying. So obviously with that quote, you're
going to say there is trying, right or well, yeah,
well that's what I'm saying. I said it was a
famous quote. No, no, that's what I'm saying. I'm just

(34:38):
saying he's not no, no no, no, no, no, I said
it was. Yeah, I think we're in trouble here. They
have all podcast because our producing he gave up no
like so so it's cute. So there he is trying

(34:58):
for you, right, Kim. Oh yeah, he's obviously speaking from
like a sports perspective, right, not as a jedi guess
has a little green guy. Alright, we're onto the next thing.
Don't go anywhere, hay Pam will be right back after

(35:19):
a word from our sponsor. UM. In the NBA, when
you make the All Star Game or even in the
NFL or whatever all star games where you've been selected,
you're one of the best in your sport. I performed
at the All Star Game? Did you? Did you really?

(35:40):
In Denver? Yeah? For the little we were called the
little Busts. I shuk yumming and Shock's hand and everything.
That's awesome. Wait, can we get my mother used to be?
I mean this is on camera like a little it's exactly.
It's like I don't need to Yeah, so we're good
at UM. So when an athlete makes it to the

(36:02):
altar game, I feel like there's a moment where they
take it all in. They take a deep breath and
they look around them because it's all of the best,
you know, a peers in their sport, and they have
this moment where like maybe they don't say it out loud,
they've made it right, like they've made it like, Wow,
this is cool. Being in a movie with Terrence Howard,
t I Ethan Hawk Wesley Snipes. I mean that's so cool.

(36:26):
Like we said, Issa Gonzalez, um to meet your ship Junior,
all like Cat Graham, there was Shamik Moore. You know,
there were so many people, all stars we should say.
You know that was a big one, right And so
was there ever a moment where you were on that
set in New Orleans and you look around, you know,
and it's like just five years ago you were, you were,
you know, just making the move out to l A

(36:47):
and all that, and like now, all of a sudden,
do you have one of those moments where you're like
I've made it or what what what sinks in for you? Yeah?
I mean there, I mean probably I'm not. I don't
get like starstruck. But there's there's this like a mens
respect act of like when I would when I the
first time I saw Rizzo, the first time I saw
Wesley or Terrence. It's just kind of this like immense

(37:08):
respect of like they don't know like that they had
an impact on you and whether whether and they and
I'm not going to tell them that. And I never
told risk of that except for when I made him
sign my thirty six Chambers Vinyl. I was like the
weirdest fan. I came up to my director and I
was like, can you sign my vinyl? Who are you?

(37:32):
Just started? I was like I had corn rows? Remember
I have regularly? U No, so uh yeah. There's like
just so many moments like that where yeah, I felt
just like so blessed to be amongst these people. And
like then when they say action and then I get
to like look at them and like we're like in character.
It's like kind of this like fun thing where like

(37:52):
in character together like putting this facade facade whatever that means.
I don't I don't want to use the word facade,
but we're like probably pretend with these people that I
watched as a kid on the screen. I think it's
just like pretty powerful. Yeah, it is cool to be
a fan. I mean Dave, Dave gets a chance to
be around a lot of actors of note and and

(38:12):
I have to, and it is cool to be able to.
I think it's you have to have that balance. I
think we talked about this with Mark Cuban, you know,
because where we were saying, like the reason that Mark
Cuban is like the most beloved ownor and people just
wanted is because he is a fan too, Like he
loves his Mavericks, you know, so he has to do business,
and but he also you know, loves them. And so
I think it's cool when an actor like you gets
to go on set and like you know, like you

(38:34):
just said, when they say action, it's business right, But
when they don't, it's like you take a deep breath
and and you get to go like wow, like you know,
but it's also cool. And I think he experiences to
where you realize that these people are just human just
like you are, you know what I mean, And there's
really no difference, you know, except for the certain things

(38:54):
that they've accomplished. But yeah, well the only yeah, the
only thing say is that it that. Yeah, it's just
like when you when you can see, you know what
car they drive up in? Now an important they are, no,
they like just because they have such experience and such knowledge,
they just like throw out little stories here and there.
Like I remember when I was doing my like first

(39:16):
big film, which was Alida in Austin, there was one
night where it was like seven hours or eight hours
of shooting where we were really just capturing one shot.
It was this really important shot and it was me
Christoph Waltz and Jennifer Connelly like by a heater and
we're just like freezing, freezing our asses off by this heater.
And they were just talking about like there like their

(39:38):
start in acting. They were kind of like talking to
me a little bit about it. And then we're talking,
you know, Jennifer was talking about her first set with
David Bowie. Uh. Kristof was talking about, um, you know
when when he started like in Germany and when he
came to New York and worked with Lee Strassburg, and
I trained Strasbourg the method. Uh um, when of my

(40:00):
where am I thinking? Method? Um? When you were when
you were studying what is it? You know? What is
it called technique? Like I said, I studied the method
technique And and Christof is talking about stories of working
with the guy who created his technique. So so these
these little things where he's talking about it like it's
just like past stories, and I'm taking it in as

(40:21):
like knowledge that I am like a forever And course
I'm playing it cool and just acting like it's like
he's saying nothing. But there's these things that all these people,
because of their experience, they'll throw these little things out
especially Rizza, like countless times where he would say things
that we're just so powerful and you kind of keep forever.
Now he's he's incredible when we talked to him, like
there's things come out of his mouth and you're like, wow, yeah,

(40:42):
you know he's That was a cool That was a
really cool episode before we get to the playoffs. You know,
there's a lot of super teams now in the NBA. UM.
You know, people the stars teaming up with the other
stars to try to win a championship. If you got
to create your own super team, right, and you could
team up with one actor and one actress, you know,

(41:03):
maybe it's an older actor who gets to play your dad,
and maybe the actresses opposite you, Like who would be
your super team in a movie? Um, I'm just like anyone.
But you're saying, like a certain specific age whatever, whatever,
you get to create it. You get to create the
super team just like these guys are doing. You know,
I mean, whatever you would want, what would be what

(41:24):
would that look like for you? I mean the first
name that definitely comes might be like Anthony Hopkins, like
a legend, So and what kind of a role would
you see him in opposite you. I know that puts
you on the spot. But I mean any anything, just anything, Yeah, yeah, Anthony,
I would be playing the tree. Um, so who else

(41:48):
would you pack in that movie? I mean it's like
like Meryl Street, like you just go. I feel like
when you, like, if I had like the choice to
just yeah, you're shrugging, you you get to create yourself
because yeah, but then but then, but then I'm thinking
that it would look like one of those like Valentine's
Day movies where it's like all the stars and you're
like too many. So it's like you just choose one.

(42:11):
It's about It's not it's about are we trying to
get a number one movie here? I'm done with the
number one movies. I get it. It's all about the process. No.
I mean yeah, Tom Hardy, Um, Christian Bale, oh yeah um.
But those are a coupletis. You have to you have

(42:33):
to build an actual super team for a movie here.
So who are you gonna Because that was a good point.
He even said, I don't want to make like a
Valentine's Day because me and you've talked about this day.
You go too hard and then there's not there's not
enough to go around. Yeah, so so build it for us.
It's you starring opposite Anthony Hopkins. Do you want to
fill the rest of out with just talented unknowns or
do you want to plug one more brilliant actor in

(42:54):
there that you're gonna get to play opposite of? And
who is it? I'm just like I have like maryl
and Anthony be my parents. Okay, that is a good one.
It's a great one. That's a pretty great dream team.
Can we make that happen to It's possible. Anthony is
one of I mean he's awesome. I mean, he's incredible.

(43:14):
He's awesome in no. She she's amazing too. I mean
every like, literally every part she's ever played, she's just
like it's not acting. I mean, it's just such a strange.
They're on such a different level. The u is it
was it Sarkin's recent film that was on the boat
The Queen Elizabeth. Yeah, have you seen that on SPO

(43:34):
I mean just that it's just so it's such a
simple film, but she is absolutely captivating in every It's
every single moment that she's on the script. And it's
not like one or two moments where you're like, wow,
that was really interesting. It's every choice that she makes
that and that's maybe it's like she's done it for soul.
I mean when you're like, when you've not when even
nominated for like fourteen oscars, I'm way maybe it's not

(43:55):
even a choice anymore. Well, no, it's something that pilot.
I've talked to actors that have been on set, like
Samuel L. Jackson or Morgan Freeman or somebody like that,
and they just said, when it's time for their scenes,
it's just a different level. It's like there's a different
energy in the on set, there's a different mood. And
they said organically, it just raises their game without even

(44:18):
wanting to, Like they don't make a conscious choice to
raise their game. It's just by being in those people's presence.
They sometimes they at the same time they get to
read the best words written of that year. You know
that goes with it too, Like sometimes you see like
films with really good actors and the writing is just
not quite there and it's a little awkward. Um, but

(44:40):
I don't know, I feel Mary could still kill it
that she definitely can. Don't go anywhere. Hey, Pam will
be right back after a word from our sponsors. Well,
my friend Mr Key and Johnson, you have made it
to the end of the hay Pal podcast show, so

(45:02):
we have that means what has he made it to Dave, Well,
he's made it to the playoffs. Playoffs, hey pal? Play
playoff so Keian Cutthroat City. We won't give too much away,
but it's basically, you know, a disaster happens and then
it's about these four boys that you know, so these
teams that are on a mission. Um, So what we

(45:23):
decided to do for your playoffs where we took eight
films that are sort of like that about teens on
a mission. We always we always exclude the guests, uh,
you know work, so we will not have any of
your work in there. And we let you pick who's
gonna advance. We let you pick because I would choose
my work. Yeah, we let you pick he's gonna make
it to the finals, and we let you pick who

(45:45):
is going to be crown champion. So Mr Dave taken away. Alright,
So playoffs seating, hey pal. The number one seed for
this bracket is on a Mission Teams on a Mission
Amazing film Number one super Bad versus the number eight seed,
the Lost boys. That is a good that's a good

(46:06):
matchup teens on a Michian Johnson who is advancing. Oh,
it's only one advance. Yes, I mean, Kenneth, I'd say,
I'd say, I mean, I'd say that they're Yeah, they're
they're both incredible. But I just know every word of
super Bad. The number one seed, alright, the number one

(46:27):
seed holds court, it advances. Okay, so now we've got
we don't look a little bit. I mean, I just
I love super Bad. You got this, sister. So now
we've got the two seed versus the seventh seed, which
is clueless versus dazed and confused Johnson who is advancing.

(46:49):
That's it, that's a good one. What were taste confus? Again? Well,
I guess clueless is advancing and the post and confused
is the big smiley face. Yea, So should we take

(47:15):
that back? So then, or we'll cut that out? I
know it out, but cut it out alright, So we're
keeping that alright? Wait, so who advanced though clueless or confused?
I know, yeah, it's just like i'd known that, you know,
when you just can't think of we listen, we're all human,
we have a blank every time. That's that's an every summer,

(47:36):
every now, every shirt has blanks every time. Boy, do
it to yourself. You can do this, I really do. Alright,
Onto the next the next seating. Alright, the next seating.
We have the number three, which I basically modeled my
life after this movie. H Ferris Bueller's Day Off, you

(47:57):
take every day versus the numbers six. Back to the
Future like the franchise, No, like the cologne just the
first film. Back to the Future versus Paris Bueller's Day Off.
Teens on a mission. Well, the I feel like I

(48:24):
feel like Back to the Future is like a team
and it and is like fucked up, like weird old
friend on a mission. It's not really teams. And I
feel like the Paris Buelers. It's definitely too that it's
just team. That's true teams all. I'm good with that.
And the last seeding to get to the next round

(48:45):
is the four verse five seed Mr Key and Johnson.
The four seed comes in at none other than Greece
and the five seed comes in at Breakfast Club. Who
is advancing to the final four. Um, I feel pretty
like about both of those. Oh, I like that, I

(49:06):
like that. Do we just eliminate them. We just we
just eliminate them. For all the others. I mean, I
feel like, yeah, listen, I don't want to lose any
fans listeners and the fans and the listeners opinion who
built this list? Okay, So don't tweet at Pal, tweet
at Keian Johnson. Don't. Wow, just gonna eliminate. He just
got rid of them eliminating Breakfast Club. There does Breakfast

(49:35):
Club doesn't do it for him. It doesn't do it.
I had to read scenes from a Breakfast Club for
a movie. Um, and he hated book book And because
of the director didn't want me to read any of
the scenes from the film. Wow. What character breakfast character? Um,
it's a blond kid's name, uh Amelia Estevez. Yeah, it's

(49:56):
like that long, that long monologue that he has. And
I'm like, but how do you go in an audition
with a monologue that's been already very much done before.
Yeah you've seen. Yeah, I get that very interesting. All right, Well,
we're eliminating both of them for the first time in
the hay Pal Okay, Like you know, we've got the Dave,

(50:17):
We've got the one seed versus the uh seventh seed,
which is gonna be What a matchup. Wow, it's a
great matchup. We have match super Bad at number one
versus Days and Confused at number seven, which Keyan was
the first time he heard that he was he was?
He was? He might have been in character at least Stroburg,

(50:45):
christof Walton all comes froll, certain super Key and Johnson.
Who is it in terms of in terms of like
what movies ultimately better? There is no rules here. This
is just for fun. It's your playoffs. You get too
stress involved. There's no stress. There's no stress involved. How
I've already eliminated from one one bracket that we're playing

(51:10):
each other. That's amazing. I'm gonna seen it go with
I want to go with U. I'll go with I'll
go with super Bad because I've seen it so many
times Superman. Okay, Number one seed keeps its spots. Number
one one has done, it's home has done, it's it's
job kept on court. And now we have a forfeit

(51:30):
in the next round, Dave where Ferris Bueller's day off
does not even get to play. Russians Club moves on moves.
I like that. I would have chosen Paris but he's
got a bye week. He really really, he really does
have a boy. So you know what do we put
Do we put key in I'm gonna let Dave decide this.
Do we put Keyan Johnson in the penalty box? Almost definitely?

(51:50):
Or do we Okay, so he deserves to be in
the penet absolutely no idea something that happens in a hockey.
But we're gonna ask you a series of questions. You
just answer the first thing that comes to mind, super easy,
super simple, simple questions. Favorite cartoon of all time? Oh, shoot, movie, cartoon, movie,

(52:10):
anything you want? Anything you want, any cartoon? Rick and Morty,
Rick and Morty. Okay, that was a really good one. Yeah,
that was a good one. It's too It's to be
honest time. Um, cargo shorts or quart roy pants? Great question, Um,
really great question. We made keen smile. Does it make

(52:32):
me seem really poor or dumb that I need to
know what quarduroys are? It just means you're young. Let's
ask the bodyguard, bodyguard, can you tell can you tell
our guests what it is? So that's not the only
one one. How our bodyguard, who is you guys, doesn't

(52:57):
know what desc how could you just skuye couarto roy
pants that textured? Yeah, pants that have like lines John
Bryan Andrews and well thin lines. I like the lines
instead of cargoes. The penalty boxes was made to be quick.
So we're gonna do it. We're gonna do a different question.

(53:18):
It's fine. They don't know what it is. They'll do
a different question the next question for Keen just doing
he just the penalty boxes and just slash the playoffs,
just got rid of two film Johnson does what he can.
When you have movie and he's in the hardest state,
O man, you have the number one movie in the
United States. You do whatever those shorts or couter right

(53:40):
pants and he's like, what are the quarter right pants?
It just means he's young, alright, he's Keen Johnson. You
can invite two people to dinner, living or dead. You're
not Keenan Johnson. I know I'm listening living or dead.
Who are the two people you would invite to dinner? Uh?
Sour Dolly and And by the way, that's what I

(54:01):
was just there there you guys are getting a very
inside look on who who Mr Johnson, And I'd just
like to tell him that that's just be like, hey,
you know we share a birthday, Like, I like that.
What is it? What is keen? Honestly, what is the
one question you would ask either of those guests if

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you could look them in the face. What is the
one question? One question, one question that you would just
like be dying to ask. How Like, how did it?
How do you define your aesthetic? It's a great question,
very deep. I like it. I like it all right, Um,
we know that how do I define my aesthetic? Well, Corduroys,

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of course you booked honey guy. And then it was yeah,
all right, we know that you know you're not your
traditional sports fan. But if you could only play one
sport is a professional out of all the sports that
are available, what would it be? Mm hmm like chess master? Wow,

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grand master. Again, that sheds a lot of light on
who we're talking. I love it. I love it. All right,
we're gonna keep out of the penalty box. He's back
on the ice, and now we are to the finals.
Dave said, Okay, pal cabal. He said, you've just got

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out of the okay, pal cabal. Alright, So the playoffs
we're down to. We're in the finals. This is the finals,
the finals, number one seed super Bad against the number

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three seed Fair Spieler's day Off. Who is the winner?
Who is Keen Johnson crowning the Chimp? I mean, I
feel like you can't. I feel like I feel like
Seth Rogan had to have gotten some inspiration from Ferris
Spieler's day Off. I feel like that that, you know, no,
I feel like that that team I don't know. I

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feel like that was I feel like Ferris Spieler hits
that like comedic, like best friend comedy. But then it
also feels like a huge movie, like The Parade for
No Reason and going Er feels like he's going, Yeah,
he's going, He's going on incredible movie. John Hughes just

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crushed it. It's so good. It's so good. Well, Keian Johnson,
you not only made it out of the hay Pal
penalty box, but you also crowned a champion in the playoffs.
And it's completely left me das contented in all syrias. Um, Oh,
you know what I want to ask you? One more
one more question, one more one more quick penalty box
type of question, ready Chipotle or anything else? And can

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you look into the camera. When do I say Chipotle
or anything else? No, No, I'm ask you Chipotle or
anything else? Well, which is better? And look into the
camera when you answered. Just get to the point when
I finished. When I was just a wee young kid,
I was doing a show called Billy Elliott, and twice

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a day, going to the theater to Chicago, I would
get not one, but two Chipotle bulls, and I say
both of them. I would eat one before the show,
and then I'd eat one during the show. And I
was so obsessed with Chipotle that they actually sponsored a
party for me my last my last performance, and they

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brought us a bunch of burritos to my apartment with
no furniture in it because we were leaving, and we
all h poll and who else? Wait, and who else
should they sponsor? Key Johnson, you don't have a Chipotle card.
I'm gonna have to work on that. Look at that.
It's gonna I'm gonna work to Dave Bosco coming through. Okay,

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in all seriousness, Dave take us out. This is an
awesome interview. What a deep and great deep And again
it's so cool, especially you know somebody of your age
to see you look at things so differently. Um, I
think it's really refreshing and really cool and uh, proud
of being your presence and proud of everything that you do. Yeah,
Studio guests Studio guests both calls. Hey Pal is a

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