March 23, 2021 • 21 mins
The star of Netflix #1 new show FATE: A Winx Saga ABBEY COWEN is an old friend of the guys and a much bigger star than Jarod will ever be.
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From my arm Radio Common Enemy contenderm with TV. It's
they Pal podcast Pal, Hey Pal with Jared and oh
oh oh all right, everybody stop it at professional bro?
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What is this? You have a whole like set up?
Are you an influencer in an Airbnb right now? Like
I'm not at my place? Oh you? Oh you are? Yeah?
Oh my gosh. Is that awesome? That's commit that is
that's the type of pals that we have. Pals. We
(00:57):
have no no, I totally got to be on your podcast.
It yes, this green wall behind me, I mean it's
like it's a nice green walk goes good with the
red hair. Uh, Dave? Are you ready? I am ready?
So I would like to ensure our next guests. I
think you should share. Okay, I think that I will.
(01:18):
Are you ready for me? I'm ready? Pal? Okay. So
our next guest is actually a very very special one
to the hay Pal podcast. She actually, Dave has a
lot of Haye Pal ties. I know she does you
do Yeah, okay, why don't you take over the year.
I'd rather you do it because you do so much
prep earlier. Okay, very's very excited about this episode. I'm
very excited about this episode. So. She played Jeremy Piven's
(01:41):
daughter in the Wisdom of the Crowd, one of our guests.
She's got a movie coming out with DJ Caruso that
he directed called Redeeming Love. She played Dorcas in Chilling
Adventures of Sabrina and is now starring in her very
own show on Netflix called Fate the Winks Saga. Please
welcome to the hay Pal Podcast, Abby Cohen Abbey. How
(02:04):
are you doing everyone? Hey pal, Hey pal? How are you? Hey?
I am great. How are you? We're doing good. We're
doing good. Other than sitting next to our pal Jared,
I'm doing great. It's it's just it's it's getting old
at this point. You can't say it every episode, you
got it. You have to come up with new material. Alright, alright,
(02:24):
let's get to the interview every episode, every every episode, Abby,
can you get all right? Well, see that was new,
that was a little that was that was new. I'm
an Eagles fan, you're a cowboy fan. It's it's challenging,
all right, get to the interview. Alright, Holy hell, you've
you have totally butchered this now. Abby. In sports on
Draft Day, Draft Days, in an incredibly exciting day um
(02:47):
for NBA players, NFL players, Major League Baseball players, it's
it's a once in a lifetime experience the day that
they get drafted. Their families are there, there's all sorts
of excitement surrounding it. As an actress, when you get
booked different roles, you you get drafted more than once,
so you get to experience that feeling five six, seven times.
(03:11):
So is it exciting every time you get drafted for
a new project? Or after a while, does it start
to wear off and you get more used to it?
What's that? What's that? Like? You know, I in the
beginning I got I mean it was it's exhilarating. Like
it's a crazy, crazy feeling to get the call and
(03:31):
to hear that you booked the project um or just
even like in the beginning a call back, it's like
the craziest feeling. I mean, like I always say, in
this industry, their high highs and their low loos, and
you've got to be able to like take both bump.
But with the high highs then come the lowls. So
I have found that, like the more time that has passed,
(03:55):
I will be so excited for a project I will
find out that, Okay, I'll book it, but for some reason,
I kind of like distance myself from it, if that
makes sense, until literally I am sitting at the premiere
watching it it has come out, and then I let
myself get excited, which may not be the best like
(04:19):
way to go about it, but the you know, things
are so up and down in the industry, Like you
could book something and then you can find out that
like oh the project fell through or whatever. So yes,
it is exciting, but it's so exciting that I have
to keep myself from being excited. I understand that now.
Generally when that happens, especially when you got your first
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couple of rolls. What's the first phone call you made?
What do you mean, like, who's the first person that
you called? You got the news for my first ever role? Oh, gosh,
my mom. I mean, it's my mom every time I
(05:01):
it will always be. And how are her reactions now,
because now she's getting kind of used to it. I mean,
you're you're starting to work a lot. So has her
reaction changed over the years. No, No, not at all. Literally,
I mean, and I mean I say that I distanced
myself from it. I get excited. I mean when I
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when I booked, I mean when I I mean every
project I've I've cried when I booked it, but and
then afterwards I kind of have to be like, okay,
like talk myself down and be like, you know, this
may not work out. You never know. But um, I mean,
especially when I booked Fate and Redeeming Love. Redeeming Love
I had wanted for so long and I fought for
(05:43):
and I just like it. It's just a passion passion
project of mine. And um, I remember when I got
the call, I literally like, it's so traumatic, but I
like collapsed and just started crying. And immediately I was like,
actually no, I was in the car on the way
home from work. I was in Ireland filming driver. It
(06:07):
was like I was like, like I fell over in
the seat. I was like, oh my god, I picked it. Yeah,
and the driver was like freaking out and be like
are you okay, Like do you need me to get
you like a water like like I like like just breathe, Abigail, breathe,
plating crying, But yeah, no, my mom did the same
(06:28):
thing for sure. That's incredible. Well, staying on on draft
day themes and by the way, I mean, there there's
your answer. She she cries and she gets drafted. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. You cry each each time you get drafted,
you cry. Yeah, there you go. Which is which is
a really beautiful thing, so so abby, like you know,
on this on this show, obviously we we hybred a
(06:49):
lot of a lot of sports stuffs and and the entertainment.
So so sticking on the on the drafting um side
of things, when when a team doesn't draft a player, right,
you've got that player who has been kind of overlooked
and he'll eventually get drafted by another team and so
then as he's practicing with his new team, he kind
(07:09):
of has a bull's eye you know, for that for
all those teams that have passed him up. And what
we're wondering with you is on the auditions you don't
get drafted for, do you kind of well, a what
are the emotions there? And be do you keep a
bull's eye so that when that movie comes out, you're
like the first in the theater because you want to
watch what that actress is doing, or maybe you want
(07:29):
to just like compete, like, well, what is it like
for you when you don't get drafted. You know, that's
a that's a really good question. I mean, you learn
how to deal with rejection in this in this industry,
and it takes it takes a bit because you know,
in the beginning, like it's every every know is heartbreaking,
(07:53):
and you know, I mean I would call you, Jared
and I would be like literally bawling my eyes out
and be like I want to quit. I mean I
just can't, and you literally like, do not quit. You
cannot quit. You're going to book something, I promise, and
like that also was so helpful as well, but like, yeah,
(08:14):
I mean you learn and the nose it just ends
up not being as personal and you realize that you know,
it may not be something that you did wrong. It
just honestly might be that that person is just better
for the role. And then when that movie comes out,
you see it and it's just it makes so much sense. Right,
(08:36):
So that that's what I was gonna ask this because
I know how competitive you are, So do you ever
do you ever and you don't have to give specific
project names or or parts or people, but do you
ever you know you got passed up on, you know,
a project, and then do you ever make kind of
a bull's eye. Do you ever go, Okay, when that
movie comes out or that show, I need to make
sure I watched that, and I want to see and
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like the kind of emotions of like oh, like you said,
oh wow, it makes sense, or no I could have
done better. Um, I wouldn't say no I could have
done better. I would never. I don't think I've ever
felt that feeling. I think it's almost like I equate
it to like, Okay, you get broken up with do
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you want to see what your ex is doing? Or
do you want to just like move on with your life?
The two wrong guys ask that question? Are the two
wrong guys to ask that question. I'm usually the one
that wants to see what my ex is doing. Well, no,
we're the I'm the same way. And I actually had
a good cry on the way over here because I
did that. Is this turning into just a crying podcast?
(09:44):
I had a really good cry. Well that's okay, so
so so abby. Then that's true. If you want to
see what your ex is doing, so then that means
that you kind of do put a put a little
bull's eye and you and you take notes and you
you know you secretly or and quietly or are are
watching what's going on? Right? But is it painful? Like
of course I want to cheer you know, we're all
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artists here. I want to cheer them on. It's but
it's still like, wow, what could have been? And that's
just honest truth. But like you know, and that's why
this industry is kind of I mean, it's hard. It's
it can be heartbreaking and it can't and it does
like it never goes like you know, you'll be driving
(10:26):
down the highway and see a freaking billboard for the
thing that you were like neck and neck for for
and then that person is on like you know, and
you're like that movie is coming out. I mean, I'm
not gonna lie and be like it doesn't no, no, no no,
I yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. But it's
a difficult thing because you know, as an actor, you
do want to root for your fellow actors and like
(10:46):
you're happy for them, but you're not going to throw
a parade. It's it's similar. You know, we had this
question a couple of weeks ago with a guest. It's similar.
I always laugh at the Oscars because everybody's nominated and
then they announced the winner. And what's everybody's favorite thing
to watch is the people that were nominated but lost.
You want to see their reaction and jump all over that. Yes,
(11:09):
exactly exactly, so I I totally abby. Can we get
a commitment from you on the Haypal podcast if you're
ever nominated for an oscar and you lose, you just
stand up and you go bo. That would be awesome.
Wait this painting all my life? Not like not at all.
(11:32):
You're being very supportive. You were very supportive. That. No,
it's very it's very true. It's like I mean, she
said it, you know so so well of like you know,
you you do always We're humans, right, so you you
always do wonder what what could have been? I mean
Aaron Rodgers sat there and had to wait to be
what he was passed up number one. He grew up
in San Francisco. San Francisco, the numb wanna pick, they
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don't draft him. And now it's fifteen years later, Ball
came over. But even he says, you know, I was
listening to an interview with him the other day and
even he he says, what could have been? Oh? Man?
Like what what? What you know? And I know a
lot of people, actors and actresses that all say like, oh, hey,
you want to go see Black Panther and they're like, no,
I don't want to go see Black Panther. I'm like,
why don't you want to go see Black Panther? And
they're like, well, I I was up, I auditioned for it,
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and I didn't get it, So I don't want to
see it. I want nothing to do with it. And
that's not the way to be either, because I think
I think you do learn a lot from from watching
those roles that you were so close to and not getting.
There's a lot that you can learn that will help you,
you know, in the future, and you've obviously been able
to accomplish that, so yeah, yeah, and you get to
see like, oh wow, what did that person do that
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won the role? And that's also the point is like
you know, sometimes you just you see that person in
that role and you're like, oh my gosh, that makes
so much more sense, Like Okay, I would have of
course not don't go anywhere. Hey, Pat will be right
back after a word for our sponsors. H Abby, you've
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been a part of of an ensemble, you know, you've
got Sabrina and now with with with fate Um. And
you've also been the the lead of of a movie
with your you know, new movie Redeeming Love that's gonna
be coming out soon. So we we liken it to
like the lead of the movie. Okay, you and the
other actors. Like playing golf, it's just you and the caddy.
(13:24):
You know, it's just the focus is here. I gotta
be you know, in sync with you, and we gotta
be one the whole movie. And the ensemble is like
playing basketball or football team, you know. And so what
we want to know is like kind of in sports,
you know, it's the ensemble. You can have a bad game,
but you can have your teammates pick you up, right,
So like you could be in an ensemble and you
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could have be having a bad day and and maybe
some of your supporting cast is like there this person
over there, that person over there, and they're there to
pick you up, and then it kind of lifts you
up to where is you know, in the in the
golf analogy, you know, where you're the lead. It's just
you and him, and if one of your you know,
both of you have a bad day, maybe it's which
one to you is more attractive A to play and
(14:08):
be what like just what are kind of the different
emotions of that of having the support or just you know,
having it be the lead. Yeah, I mean they're kind
of two different animals, I would say, because when you
are in an ensemble, you know, you it's interesting because
(14:31):
it's I mean you're still either way you are, you're
forced to be creative in different ways, if that makes sense.
Like when you're in an ensemble, you know that like
you know there everyone has their part, everyone is contributing,
and like how can you also contribute to just like
make it even more uh just a beautiful piece of art,
(14:56):
you know. But then when you're when you are kind
of on the solo end, it's um, I mean it's
a it's a lot of pressure and you kind of
have to just i mean zone in if that makes sense,
and and just trust your instinct and and put the
work in as well. Like ensemble, I feel like it's more, Yeah,
it is, it's more team playing. Like you're you know,
(15:18):
you get to get close with people, you get to
have fun, you get to um bounce off of people
and have that because you know, not all like all
the pressure isn't on you. It's kind of space out
if that makes sense. Um, which then also allows for
just a fun Um, I wouldn't say fun. Actually like
(15:39):
it allows it is fun. That's what I'm saying. I'm
not saying what is fun and the other isn't. I'm
saying it allows for that like creative you know, free environment,
and then when you're you know, it's just again there
are two different animals because it is a creative free
environment when you're in that solo position, but it's way
more um. Yeah, I mean it's just a lot more Yeah,
(16:03):
it's a lot more pressure. And I and you know,
we know you, we know you personally here on on
our show, and you are such a team player, right,
but you also have that you know d n A
and you where again we go back to sports with
everything where you want the ball with one minute left
and the game is on the line because we know
that you're gonna perform. You know, we've been watching you
(16:24):
act now for you know, quite a few years, and
we know that you can come through in the clutch.
So it is interesting to like, you know, you're right,
one is one is just it's probably fun all the time.
To be around your teammates, and the other one is like, okay,
we can't. I can't zone out for one. Yeah. Yeah,
it's like it's all on me. It's like I mean,
I mean, I would equated. I played volleyball and soccer
(16:44):
and then I ran track. So it's like it's again,
they're just they're just two different animals and you have
to pull out a different competitive side of yourself and
a different level of focus and a different level of
but you know, yeah, they're just completely different. There's different
there's different levels of winning. And I think sometimes like
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you look at a show like an ensemble cast like
Friends or Seinfeld, and each of those characters they all
knew their roles so well, and we as an audience
knew their roles so well, and we we knew like
where things were gonna go. And they would do scenes
where you're like, oh my god, like that's amazing how
they pulled that off. But then when you take an
actor that has an individual performance and has an individual scene,
(17:28):
you know, that's so powerful. They're just different type of winds,
you know what I mean, Because that's just equally as satisfying. Yeah,
it's true. Well, here if you could drop into in
in any time era if you if I could tell
you that you could go and just drop in. Would
you drop in on a cat like an ensemble cast
and be a part of that like a friends or something,
(17:48):
or would you want to drop in and be I,
I know I always go to this, but like and
be in the notebook. Alright, alright and crying again again.
I get so emotional, all right. Now. Athletes a lot
of times in high school they talk about, you know,
(18:10):
when they're able to see professionals, like if it's a
an NBA or Major League Baseball players. So in high
school they're watching the people that they looked up to,
and in their mind they know like I can play
with these guys, Like I'm good enough to play with
these guys. And then they actually have to do it,
and and and they see what happens and how that
change happens. So for you as an actress, um, what's
(18:32):
it like when you have a scene opposite somebody that
you've watched for years or you've known their work for
years and to and to have that scene with them.
What's that feeling like for you? Terrifying? Yeah? Is that? Is? That?
Is that because you you go in already knowing like, oh,
(18:52):
I've seen you on TV and I watched you and
you were in the big leagues, and now wow, here
I am in the big leagues, Like Wow, this is
really happening. Yeah, you know, it's a mixture. It's like
a big um. I was actually talking about this today.
It's it's just like it's imposter syndrome, if that makes sense.
I And I don't know if I'll ever get out
(19:13):
of that either. I was talking to another actor today
and he's been doing it for years and he's like,
you know, he's like I still and he's been on
so many, you know, huge projects, and he's like, you know,
I still battle with that to this day. He's like,
I I will be on a set and just feel
like I don't belong here, and I definitely, I mean
(19:35):
I'm also very new in my career, so it makes
sense to feel that way. But um, yeah, I mean
it's imposter syndrome, you know, mixed with just complete and
utter fear because an amazing actor is standing right in
front of you and you've looked up to them for
so long. So but what's what's crazy is in a
(19:57):
couple of years. You know, people are going to be
coming in, moving out to Hollywood and getting a bit
role or even like a supporting role, and it's going
to be opposite you, and they've been watching you, so
like that's that's kind of like that's what I like
to do, is like put myself in the other shoe.
So if you yeah, and then I'm gonna still be
having imposters. I don't know why I'm here. I don't know,
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From my arm Radio Common Enemy contenderm with TV. It's
they Pal podcast Pal, Hey Pal with Jared and oh
oh oh all right, everybody stop it at professional bro?
(00:36):
What is this? You have a whole like set up?
Are you an influencer in an Airbnb right now? Like
I'm not at my place? Oh you? Oh you are? Yeah?
Oh my gosh. Is that awesome? That's commit that is
that's the type of pals that we have. Pals. We
(00:57):
have no no, I totally got to be on your podcast.
It yes, this green wall behind me, I mean it's
like it's a nice green walk goes good with the
red hair. Uh, Dave? Are you ready? I am ready?
So I would like to ensure our next guests. I
think you should share. Okay, I think that I will.
(01:18):
Are you ready for me? I'm ready? Pal? Okay. So
our next guest is actually a very very special one
to the hay Pal podcast. She actually, Dave has a
lot of Haye Pal ties. I know she does you
do Yeah, okay, why don't you take over the year.
I'd rather you do it because you do so much
prep earlier. Okay, very's very excited about this episode. I'm
very excited about this episode. So. She played Jeremy Piven's
(01:41):
daughter in the Wisdom of the Crowd, one of our guests.
She's got a movie coming out with DJ Caruso that
he directed called Redeeming Love. She played Dorcas in Chilling
Adventures of Sabrina and is now starring in her very
own show on Netflix called Fate the Winks Saga. Please
welcome to the hay Pal Podcast, Abby Cohen Abbey. How
(02:04):
are you doing everyone? Hey pal, Hey pal? How are you? Hey?
I am great. How are you? We're doing good. We're
doing good. Other than sitting next to our pal Jared,
I'm doing great. It's it's just it's it's getting old
at this point. You can't say it every episode, you
got it. You have to come up with new material. Alright, alright,
(02:24):
let's get to the interview every episode, every every episode, Abby,
can you get all right? Well, see that was new,
that was a little that was that was new. I'm
an Eagles fan, you're a cowboy fan. It's it's challenging,
all right, get to the interview. Alright, Holy hell, you've
you have totally butchered this now. Abby. In sports on
Draft Day, Draft Days, in an incredibly exciting day um
(02:47):
for NBA players, NFL players, Major League Baseball players, it's
it's a once in a lifetime experience the day that
they get drafted. Their families are there, there's all sorts
of excitement surrounding it. As an actress, when you get
booked different roles, you you get drafted more than once,
so you get to experience that feeling five six, seven times.
(03:11):
So is it exciting every time you get drafted for
a new project? Or after a while, does it start
to wear off and you get more used to it?
What's that? What's that? Like? You know, I in the
beginning I got I mean it was it's exhilarating. Like
it's a crazy, crazy feeling to get the call and
(03:31):
to hear that you booked the project um or just
even like in the beginning a call back, it's like
the craziest feeling. I mean, like I always say, in
this industry, their high highs and their low loos, and
you've got to be able to like take both bump.
But with the high highs then come the lowls. So
I have found that, like the more time that has passed,
(03:55):
I will be so excited for a project I will
find out that, Okay, I'll book it, but for some reason,
I kind of like distance myself from it, if that
makes sense, until literally I am sitting at the premiere
watching it it has come out, and then I let
myself get excited, which may not be the best like
(04:19):
way to go about it, but the you know, things
are so up and down in the industry, Like you
could book something and then you can find out that
like oh the project fell through or whatever. So yes,
it is exciting, but it's so exciting that I have
to keep myself from being excited. I understand that now.
Generally when that happens, especially when you got your first
(04:41):
couple of rolls. What's the first phone call you made?
What do you mean, like, who's the first person that
you called? You got the news for my first ever role? Oh, gosh,
my mom. I mean, it's my mom every time I
(05:01):
it will always be. And how are her reactions now,
because now she's getting kind of used to it. I mean,
you're you're starting to work a lot. So has her
reaction changed over the years. No, No, not at all. Literally,
I mean, and I mean I say that I distanced
myself from it. I get excited. I mean when I
(05:22):
when I booked, I mean when I I mean every
project I've I've cried when I booked it, but and
then afterwards I kind of have to be like, okay,
like talk myself down and be like, you know, this
may not work out. You never know. But um, I mean,
especially when I booked Fate and Redeeming Love. Redeeming Love
I had wanted for so long and I fought for
(05:43):
and I just like it. It's just a passion passion
project of mine. And um, I remember when I got
the call, I literally like, it's so traumatic, but I
like collapsed and just started crying. And immediately I was like,
actually no, I was in the car on the way
home from work. I was in Ireland filming driver. It
(06:07):
was like I was like, like I fell over in
the seat. I was like, oh my god, I picked it. Yeah,
and the driver was like freaking out and be like
are you okay, Like do you need me to get
you like a water like like I like like just breathe, Abigail, breathe,
plating crying, But yeah, no, my mom did the same
(06:28):
thing for sure. That's incredible. Well, staying on on draft
day themes and by the way, I mean, there there's
your answer. She she cries and she gets drafted. Yeah yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. You cry each each time you get drafted,
you cry. Yeah, there you go. Which is which is
a really beautiful thing, so so abby, like you know,
on this on this show, obviously we we hybred a
(06:49):
lot of a lot of sports stuffs and and the entertainment.
So so sticking on the on the drafting um side
of things, when when a team doesn't draft a player, right,
you've got that player who has been kind of overlooked
and he'll eventually get drafted by another team and so
then as he's practicing with his new team, he kind
(07:09):
of has a bull's eye you know, for that for
all those teams that have passed him up. And what
we're wondering with you is on the auditions you don't
get drafted for, do you kind of well, a what
are the emotions there? And be do you keep a
bull's eye so that when that movie comes out, you're
like the first in the theater because you want to
watch what that actress is doing, or maybe you want
(07:29):
to just like compete, like, well, what is it like
for you when you don't get drafted. You know, that's
a that's a really good question. I mean, you learn
how to deal with rejection in this in this industry,
and it takes it takes a bit because you know,
in the beginning, like it's every every know is heartbreaking,
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and you know, I mean I would call you, Jared
and I would be like literally bawling my eyes out
and be like I want to quit. I mean I
just can't, and you literally like, do not quit. You
cannot quit. You're going to book something, I promise, and
like that also was so helpful as well, but like, yeah,
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I mean you learn and the nose it just ends
up not being as personal and you realize that you know,
it may not be something that you did wrong. It
just honestly might be that that person is just better
for the role. And then when that movie comes out,
you see it and it's just it makes so much sense. Right,
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So that that's what I was gonna ask this because
I know how competitive you are, So do you ever
do you ever and you don't have to give specific
project names or or parts or people, but do you
ever you know you got passed up on, you know,
a project, and then do you ever make kind of
a bull's eye. Do you ever go, Okay, when that
movie comes out or that show, I need to make
sure I watched that, and I want to see and
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like the kind of emotions of like oh, like you said,
oh wow, it makes sense, or no I could have
done better. Um, I wouldn't say no I could have
done better. I would never. I don't think I've ever
felt that feeling. I think it's almost like I equate
it to like, Okay, you get broken up with do
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you want to see what your ex is doing? Or
do you want to just like move on with your life?
The two wrong guys ask that question? Are the two
wrong guys to ask that question. I'm usually the one
that wants to see what my ex is doing. Well, no,
we're the I'm the same way. And I actually had
a good cry on the way over here because I
did that. Is this turning into just a crying podcast?
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I had a really good cry. Well that's okay, so
so so abby. Then that's true. If you want to
see what your ex is doing, so then that means
that you kind of do put a put a little
bull's eye and you and you take notes and you
you know you secretly or and quietly or are are
watching what's going on? Right? But is it painful? Like
of course I want to cheer you know, we're all
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artists here. I want to cheer them on. It's but
it's still like, wow, what could have been? And that's
just honest truth. But like you know, and that's why
this industry is kind of I mean, it's hard. It's
it can be heartbreaking and it can't and it does
like it never goes like you know, you'll be driving
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down the highway and see a freaking billboard for the
thing that you were like neck and neck for for
and then that person is on like you know, and
you're like that movie is coming out. I mean, I'm
not gonna lie and be like it doesn't no, no, no no,
I yeah, yeah, I get what you're saying. But it's
a difficult thing because you know, as an actor, you
do want to root for your fellow actors and like
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you're happy for them, but you're not going to throw
a parade. It's it's similar. You know, we had this
question a couple of weeks ago with a guest. It's similar.
I always laugh at the Oscars because everybody's nominated and
then they announced the winner. And what's everybody's favorite thing
to watch is the people that were nominated but lost.
You want to see their reaction and jump all over that. Yes,
(11:09):
exactly exactly, so I I totally abby. Can we get
a commitment from you on the Haypal podcast if you're
ever nominated for an oscar and you lose, you just
stand up and you go bo. That would be awesome.
Wait this painting all my life? Not like not at all.
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You're being very supportive. You were very supportive. That. No,
it's very it's very true. It's like I mean, she
said it, you know so so well of like you know,
you you do always We're humans, right, so you you
always do wonder what what could have been? I mean
Aaron Rodgers sat there and had to wait to be
what he was passed up number one. He grew up
in San Francisco. San Francisco, the numb wanna pick, they
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don't draft him. And now it's fifteen years later, Ball
came over. But even he says, you know, I was
listening to an interview with him the other day and
even he he says, what could have been? Oh? Man?
Like what what? What you know? And I know a
lot of people, actors and actresses that all say like, oh, hey,
you want to go see Black Panther and they're like, no,
I don't want to go see Black Panther. I'm like,
why don't you want to go see Black Panther? And
they're like, well, I I was up, I auditioned for it,
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and I didn't get it, So I don't want to
see it. I want nothing to do with it. And
that's not the way to be either, because I think
I think you do learn a lot from from watching
those roles that you were so close to and not getting.
There's a lot that you can learn that will help you,
you know, in the future, and you've obviously been able
to accomplish that, so yeah, yeah, and you get to
see like, oh wow, what did that person do that
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won the role? And that's also the point is like
you know, sometimes you just you see that person in
that role and you're like, oh my gosh, that makes
so much more sense, Like Okay, I would have of
course not don't go anywhere. Hey, Pat will be right
back after a word for our sponsors. H Abby, you've
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been a part of of an ensemble, you know, you've
got Sabrina and now with with with fate Um. And
you've also been the the lead of of a movie
with your you know, new movie Redeeming Love that's gonna
be coming out soon. So we we liken it to
like the lead of the movie. Okay, you and the
other actors. Like playing golf, it's just you and the caddy.
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You know, it's just the focus is here. I gotta
be you know, in sync with you, and we gotta
be one the whole movie. And the ensemble is like
playing basketball or football team, you know. And so what
we want to know is like kind of in sports,
you know, it's the ensemble. You can have a bad game,
but you can have your teammates pick you up, right,
So like you could be in an ensemble and you
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could have be having a bad day and and maybe
some of your supporting cast is like there this person
over there, that person over there, and they're there to
pick you up, and then it kind of lifts you
up to where is you know, in the in the
golf analogy, you know, where you're the lead. It's just
you and him, and if one of your you know,
both of you have a bad day, maybe it's which
one to you is more attractive A to play and
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be what like just what are kind of the different
emotions of that of having the support or just you know,
having it be the lead. Yeah, I mean they're kind
of two different animals, I would say, because when you
are in an ensemble, you know, you it's interesting because
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it's I mean you're still either way you are, you're
forced to be creative in different ways, if that makes sense.
Like when you're in an ensemble, you know that like
you know there everyone has their part, everyone is contributing,
and like how can you also contribute to just like
make it even more uh just a beautiful piece of art,
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you know. But then when you're when you are kind
of on the solo end, it's um, I mean it's
a it's a lot of pressure and you kind of
have to just i mean zone in if that makes sense,
and and just trust your instinct and and put the
work in as well. Like ensemble, I feel like it's more, Yeah,
it is, it's more team playing. Like you're you know,
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you get to get close with people, you get to
have fun, you get to um bounce off of people
and have that because you know, not all like all
the pressure isn't on you. It's kind of space out
if that makes sense. Um, which then also allows for
just a fun Um, I wouldn't say fun. Actually like
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it allows it is fun. That's what I'm saying. I'm
not saying what is fun and the other isn't. I'm
saying it allows for that like creative you know, free environment,
and then when you're you know, it's just again there
are two different animals because it is a creative free
environment when you're in that solo position, but it's way
more um. Yeah, I mean it's just a lot more Yeah,
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it's a lot more pressure. And I and you know,
we know you, we know you personally here on on
our show, and you are such a team player, right,
but you also have that you know d n A
and you where again we go back to sports with
everything where you want the ball with one minute left
and the game is on the line because we know
that you're gonna perform. You know, we've been watching you
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act now for you know, quite a few years, and
we know that you can come through in the clutch.
So it is interesting to like, you know, you're right,
one is one is just it's probably fun all the time.
To be around your teammates, and the other one is like, okay,
we can't. I can't zone out for one. Yeah. Yeah,
it's like it's all on me. It's like I mean,
I mean, I would equated. I played volleyball and soccer
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and then I ran track. So it's like it's again,
they're just they're just two different animals and you have
to pull out a different competitive side of yourself and
a different level of focus and a different level of
but you know, yeah, they're just completely different. There's different
there's different levels of winning. And I think sometimes like
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you look at a show like an ensemble cast like
Friends or Seinfeld, and each of those characters they all
knew their roles so well, and we as an audience
knew their roles so well, and we we knew like
where things were gonna go. And they would do scenes
where you're like, oh my god, like that's amazing how
they pulled that off. But then when you take an
actor that has an individual performance and has an individual scene,
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you know, that's so powerful. They're just different type of winds,
you know what I mean, Because that's just equally as satisfying. Yeah,
it's true. Well, here if you could drop into in
in any time era if you if I could tell
you that you could go and just drop in. Would
you drop in on a cat like an ensemble cast
and be a part of that like a friends or something,
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or would you want to drop in and be I,
I know I always go to this, but like and
be in the notebook. Alright, alright and crying again again.
I get so emotional, all right. Now. Athletes a lot
of times in high school they talk about, you know,
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when they're able to see professionals, like if it's a
an NBA or Major League Baseball players. So in high
school they're watching the people that they looked up to,
and in their mind they know like I can play
with these guys, Like I'm good enough to play with
these guys. And then they actually have to do it,
and and and they see what happens and how that
change happens. So for you as an actress, um, what's
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it like when you have a scene opposite somebody that
you've watched for years or you've known their work for
years and to and to have that scene with them.
What's that feeling like for you? Terrifying? Yeah? Is that? Is? That?
Is that because you you go in already knowing like, oh,
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I've seen you on TV and I watched you and
you were in the big leagues, and now wow, here
I am in the big leagues, Like Wow, this is
really happening. Yeah, you know, it's a mixture. It's like
a big um. I was actually talking about this today.
It's it's just like it's imposter syndrome, if that makes sense.
I And I don't know if I'll ever get out
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of that either. I was talking to another actor today
and he's been doing it for years and he's like,
you know, he's like I still and he's been on
so many, you know, huge projects, and he's like, you know,
I still battle with that to this day. He's like,
I I will be on a set and just feel
like I don't belong here, and I definitely, I mean
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I'm also very new in my career, so it makes
sense to feel that way. But um, yeah, I mean
it's imposter syndrome, you know, mixed with just complete and
utter fear because an amazing actor is standing right in
front of you and you've looked up to them for
so long. So but what's what's crazy is in a
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couple of years. You know, people are going to be
coming in, moving out to Hollywood and getting a bit
role or even like a supporting role, and it's going
to be opposite you, and they've been watching you, so
like that's that's kind of like that's what I like
to do, is like put myself in the other shoe.
So if you yeah, and then I'm gonna still be
having imposters. I don't know why I'm here. I don't know,
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we don't know why we're here. Where Where am I
right now? Don't worry? Part two of Abby cohen Air's
This Thursday See You Then. Hey Pals is a production
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