September 24, 2025 • 56 mins
Between Taylor Townsend gettin yelled at, Young Thug snitchin and black folks being conflicted about our participation in anti trump rallies. we needed to have a mid session meeting.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
All media. Okay, black people, we need to have us
are all hands on deck meeting. Okay, the rest of y'all,
I guess are welcome. Just don't say nothing. Okay, we
need to talk right now. So the following episode you
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about to see is me and Derek kind of have
an emergency stay to the blackness meeting. We need to
show up at the beauty part of barbershop. We gotta
talk about things that like we just out here catch
its straights now. I recorded this. This is the second
time Derek and I have started something and then the
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world completely changed by the time it came out. So
me and Derek recorded this two weeks ago. Derek is
in Derek Minor, who's like my real friend.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
He mixed and mastered all of my last four records,
all of the Terrorform albums. Like he's got a new
record out called Vigilanti right now. It's incredible him and
a hummy cannon. Derrek's one of the most talented brothers
I know. He is the epitome of Sophist the Ratchet
because that boy. Anyway, we did not know the first
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time the world blew up was me and him were
planning on touring from an album that we made, y'all
hear my microwave, that's my lunch. An album we made
in twenty nineteen called Nothing but a Word, and we
were planning on a spring tour the spring of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I'm gonna go ahead and let you do the math.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So when we recorded this, Yo, your new little martyr,
Charlie Kirk was alive when we recorded this, so.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
A lot has changed.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's not it's funny. I'm not laughing at Charlie Kirk's death.
And just you gotta you gotta get these people disclaimers
for they get before they get really hurt, you know.
I mean, let's not not to one up y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
But y'all don't remember tray vonning.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
As like a social media trend where you pretended like
you was dead on the ground with skittles and a
hoodie on.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Y'all don't remember that, so anyway I remember it anyway, like.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
George Zenneman wasn't on like a speaking towards signing the
gun he killed that young man with. But you mad
at us for acknowledging the words that came out of
Charlie Kirk's mouth. Okay, we got it anyway, that had
not happened, Like so this assassination had not happened yet. Uh,
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we just grossly overshot the time I mean of this thing.
But since Derek's one of one of my actual homies,
that's my ace boone coon, which I'm realizing is a
horrible phrase, so I'd rather say my man fifty grand.
We had some updates, right, So one of the updates
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is like, how is HBCUs having their funding challenge? Why
are they having a shut down out of caution because
of the death threats coming too?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
What we got to do with this? We did not.
It was almost like it with Derek was saying.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Derek was like, look man, it was almost like while
Trump and them was on Ice was on all the
immigrants ass, It's like when yo, mama's is whooping your
brother's ass. You know what I'm saying, He's staying in
trouble and you kind of maybe you forgot, maybe you
feel like you might be cool. Your mama look over
you and be like, I ain't forgot about you. I'm
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coming to you later. You're like, oh damn, Like how
you forgot about you?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Don't you start laughing over there, and you think, I
don't think you think your mama to forgot. How if
you got siblings, you watching your siblings get in trouble,
it might make you feel like maybe she gonna forget
my man. She I ain't forgot about you, man. That
is the most the shiver. It was almost like that's
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why with the black people, all the attention was on
the border, all the attention was on Gaza. We was
out there being good allies, and he said, I ain't
forgot about y'all.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
On some it was like we didn't even do anything well,
had nothing to do with that man death. What you
oh lord?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Then we were talking about Jimmy Kimmel and uh yeah,
if I mean, if they shutting down them rich white people,
I don't know how safe we think we is. You
ain't afraid of whoa anyway. So this is me and
my own boy, just shooting the breeze. We're in the
barbershop hood politics, ladies and gentleman hood politics with prop
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a special emergency Black meeting here. Oftentimes, emergency would mean
that there's a particular problem, and it's not so much
as there's a problem, it's just I feel like that
the issues are stacking up. And secondly, as someone who
listens back to their own work, I know a lot
of artists, a lot of people that be like, oh,
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I don't listen to my stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
After I'm done, I'll be listening to it, you know
what I'm saying, because I'd be like, I didn't allow it.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It took me.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It was real hard for me to do this, you know,
And a lot of times I need to be memorizing
the stuff, you know what I'm saying, especially when it
comes to like the hip hop or the music. Like
with the poetry record, I'm still like I was like, damn,
that's like eleven poems. Like I have to memorize these poles.
So I'm actually listening to myself of a lot right now.
But in listening back to our podcast, I kind of
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feel like, I don't know, it's almost like this. I mean,
there's no update. It's genocide in Gaza right now. They
being starved. I mean, what is real bombed another another hospital,
which you like, there's that's what's happening, you know what
I'm saying. I'm like, you want me tell you about
another civil right being removed from us? Like it did
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Trump is putting federal agents in our streets. That's that's
out of There's nothing. I don't know what else to
add to that. That is what's happening. So in the
midst of this, I thought I would bring my hoodiest, countryest,
citiest musicalist, hybridist friend on the pod Ladies and gentlemen,
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Derek Minor, what's up buddy?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And hell, what's had? I got the evil villain laugh
already know, but hey, let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Listen, listen, so Yo Sign of Shine. So Derek was
on one of the first politics episodes, uh, when we
were talking about putting respect on your name, Derek, Derek,
I think in a lot of ways, you know, me
and him are very similar in the sense that.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Like we navigate multiple worlds.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Derek is like equal parts Cashville and Detroit. So like
to have both of those inside him is just it's
already a feuding tempest inside which one of these versions
of hip is go show up and at the same
time man me and him can go enjoy some ramen.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, we we
like that we we he wanted the homies. I go
to Montana and fly fish with so that explains all that. So,
so Derek has.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Been more mature than all of us and deleted his
social media and has man, how's your nervous system?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So I haven't deleted it, but I just I really have.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Like my reset on Instagram because for people to.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Please tell please tell me about this, this was amazing.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Right, So I had one hundred and thirty three thousand.
I still I still got one hundred and thirty three
thousand on my original account, but man, it just the
count felt very cluttered and it felt very confusing. So
I just started over rather than just like so, I
was like, I'm following so many different people, and you know,
like if you unfollow people, it creates this weird thing
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like why they didn't follow me. Like I was like, man,
you know, I'm so to start a new account because one,
I actually want to know who the heck actually cares
about what I'm doing. I don't care it's thirty people.
I just want to know those thirty people are. And
then two I see it refreshed, and honestly, it was
the best thing that ever happened to me. Because I
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feel like I'm at I feel like I'm at how
ig was.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
At the beginning. I still get the ad and all
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I see a lot more of the stuff from the
people that I care about, you know what I mean.
Probably was actually just following too many people. Probably it
was so I saw the old account. I use it
to just like post clips. But the Derek you want
to hear my thoughts is at RMG. But all of
that to say, when I saw the fruit of like
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having a very concise and a very like focused like
everything else with the same exact way, like I just
don't like everything. We're just getting rid of if I
don't care about it is, we're getting rid of it.
And I'm just like, I'm gonna stay out of the
new cycle if it gets if it's important enough to
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get to me, then it's really really important. That's pretty
much where I'm at right now, what it is. I'm
not gonna jump on everything because it's literally if it's
like a hurricane.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Of feces, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
There's yeah, which which kind of like nah, this is
perfect because that kind of jumps into the stuff we're
kind of talking about because like a lot of times,
this is the the the the double edged sort of
just being black specifically, but being just a minority in
our country, is that like a lot of stuff, Being
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able to avoid things can be a privilege, you know
what I'm saying, Like, like, especially with like black issues,
it's like, man, we can't avoid this.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I wish I could unplug, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But like you know what I'm saying, But like the
reality is, like you know the truth of intersectionality and
the difference between you know, sort of class and race
and all this stuff, like how we exist in all
these things, Like to be real, you and I do
not live in the projects no more, yo, I'm saying, So,
like we make enough to have some financial sort of
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space to be like, yeah, I don't have to. There's
some stuff I can unplug from. You feel me like,
but that's but you know it, I know I always
exist in this tumoil to be like, damn, man, I
wish too bad. Too bad kids and guys that can't
unplug their internet. And you know what I'm saying, So
like is that something you think about though?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah? Nah, So my thought process in that sense is
this because I did have that initial thought, like am
I quitting like this idea? Because people know me for activism.
People know me for like my voice, and it's like,
am I quitting in a sense like I let them win?
Like all right, get out of the conversation. And for me, no,
I didn't because I feel like it's actually made me
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more intuned, but just in a different way, because I realized,
like a lot of times when you look at social media,
it's well crafted narratives by expert marketers. Yeah, and you can.
You have to be able to juggle. Is this an
actual news story or is this a well crafted narrative
by expert marketer.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I get all my dudes from the barbershop.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Now we're back on that.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
We're back on that. Look here, so this is no yeah. See,
this is why we had to have a black meeting.
It's like, nigga, you just go back to the hood.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, I'm at the barbershop. We're sitting there. I don't
want to go to I got two boys though, So
we're sitting there. I'm sitting there through two haircuts. I
called the whole hood. Bro. No lie a nigga. A
nigga pulled up to the barbershop. Was a white dude.
White dude pulled up to the barbershop with a trunk
full of ox tails that he was selling for ten dollars.
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Like it was like it was hottails. So it's like
he's like, I got ribbon steaks, I got chickens. I
went back there. It's the station wagon. He done. Put
a fan back there and make and the cooler's cooler.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm back. I'm like I'm back,
Like I'm back, Like I felt like I lost myself.
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I'm back though, like you know. So it's like, you know,
we learned about everything, we learned about young thug. We
learned about we learned about the Everything I needed to
know was in the barbershop. So it's like I feel
like I'm more in tune now, Like.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, I love it you you're more tapped in because
you had real conversations about see look community boys.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yes, because it matters. It's not like somebody saying something.
I'm like, oh, yeah, I heard about that. You know
what I'm saying. It's like, no, I'm genuinely being educated
by two sides of a conversation in the barbershop in
real time.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's like literal local news.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yes, it is like literally the local news I love
it so personally.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
You got far out dude. Everybody in the barbershop you
have to far out dude. This like he takes the
opposite side of every logical Yeah, I got what. I
just have one of him. I don't have like trolls
and bots that are doing that. You know what I'm saying.
It's just like the one guy.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Okay, good, well, let's do perfect or let's dive in.
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
That's what we're gonna call this shows Like I get
all the news I need from the barbershop.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So speaking speaking of speaking of Thugger, Okay, so Thugger
somehow beat his case in a way that like, in
some senses, I'm like, yeah, you know, like damn they
are just raps, right, but his rico case. What was
so unique about for y'all to I mean, we covered
this once before on the show, but for y'all to understand, like,
what was so unique about, uh, the whole Young's line thing,
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the whole young thug thing was that for the for
the most of hip hop history, especially like the street stuff,
you would be out in the streets pushing weight to
fund your exit out of it, and you fund your
exit out of that via music. So you start doing
music to get out the streets.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Or you use hip hop to clean it up.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Or you use hip hop to clean it up the money,
you clean the money the other What.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Was so interesting about thug is it was the other
way around.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It was like you was out the streets, you were
doing music, you made it, and then was using that
to go back in, and like it was just such
a bizarre thing.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
But anyway, we all had something to.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Say about Gunna and Gonna, who clearly told them something
to be able to get out early, right, And when
you build your career on being a street dude, like
it always gonna come back to you, especially because careers
in streets just the reality is they just don't mix.
So anyway, he got out, Thugger's now out, and now
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some tapes are coming out of him talking about look, man,
as long as y'all don't tell the public, I tell
the fizz whatever y'all want to hear. And then after
that was talking about how he paid for Gunner streams.
That ain't no way in the world that man was
gonna do better, gonna have a number one over the weekend.
So both of us are in music, both of us,
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whether we was, whether we were literally running the streets
like that, in which we wasn't, but we're very close
to those who were.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
H on this this the rise and Fall of Young Thug.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I got a couple thoughts. Okay, Number one, this is
the this is my most like this, this thought, it
permeates all of it. Who's releasing the tapes?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Number one?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I like who was?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Because a lot of them are between him or so.
I haven't heard everything, but I've only heard a lot
of conversations with him, between him and twenty one Savage.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, so this was Savage recording the tapes?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
And did his team drop them or did the Because
I mean, obviously, when you're in jail, everything that you
say is recorded, So are they dropping it like a mixsafe?
Because they don't got bro? No more like that's a
great because because we don't know where the tapes are
coming from.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
And the like. That was the other thing for me,
I was like, this could be Ai.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
This not Ai.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
This ain't no AI. Okay, that's the boys.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I don't believe. So the reason why I don't believe
so is because the AI has a certain sonic tent.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, it's a sonic tent to it.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah, and it's like, I don't hear it.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I don't hear I could be better, but it's too clean.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I felt the same way.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You can't use effects to make it sound like this.
It feels very long. But I could be wrong, like
because AI has come way further than I would have
imagined it would come. But the thing I'm saying is,
that's number one who is dropping these tapes? Yeah, and
for what reason? What? Like why are you doing this?
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Like yeah, I don't understand, y'all show me the play.
That's number one, number two. I'm sitting here like twenty
one Savage is the adult in the room, the nigga
with the knife on his forehead. When did this happen?
I listened to what tape and he said, see this
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the problem.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Niggas keep jumping the gun, keep jumping the gun. But
he's like, they gotta have some self control and some discipline.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I'm like, yeah, you damn.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Right, you can tell the London boy your tap.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He has really become the adult in the room of
that generation. When it's like when because he came in
the game. Oh see it then talk about this a
knife looking like a batman villain. So that's number one, uh,
number two, Number three. The tape that bothered me the
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most was Doug said at one point in time, he
was like, or the part of tape about me. He said,
at one point in time, I came out and I
wanted to come out, or I thought about coming out
telling everybody like, yo, this don't matter, like man, that
man just doing what you gotta do to take care
of his family. But he said by that time, little
Dirk and little Baby had already did they dis record?
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And he was like, how would he have looked if
he came out and said what he actually felt? Which
was true? Yeah, And that is the part that that
made me it hurt. It made me hurt for him,
and it made me hurt because, uh, you know, Baby
and Dirk might have jumped the gun and even but
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thugs just ran with it. Yeah that's what bother's like.
But at the same time, man was on trial for murders.
So he's done worse.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Things than yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
No organizations the way worse things than lie. But it's
just I think the thing that I hope and I
don't doubt it will happen. But the thing that I
hope that these little niggas realize is like this street
ship is lame. That's it's lame. If that's the lesson
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and all of this is like all these niggas y'all
look up to that y'all think is super gangsters. Ain't
none of them more gangster than the United States government?
They take all your kids and make them niggas snitch
because at the end of the day, don't nobody want
every a nigga not gonna go from smashing whatever girl
he wants to eating this high quality food to three
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hots and a cop. I don't care how real they is, bro,
they gonna try to get out. And I think that
that is the little niggas get is that all your partners,
all the dudes you look up to, the ones you
are here getting shot forward, you saying what what? What?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
What the do?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Them niggas is snitching.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
That's what they're I'm like, listen, listen.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
If you ain't listen, white people watching like just the
Epstein Files, I mean, is y'all are y'all not paying attention?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
It's the same.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
You're gonna start singing. Yeah, yup, they gonna start singing
when there's a problem. I love it, man. I think
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for the for the artists on the other side of that,
for the artists where Thugas said what we all knew,
which is like, no one's really.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
No one's really being.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Number one, Like you buy you buy them streams. Yeah, yeah,
it's bought and soul like, don't So if you're putting
out little albums whatever, and you know you got your
thousand monthly listeners, those are thousand. Those are actual, they're
actually listening to you.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Like, so when you see them like, oh they got
thirty million listeners, don't listen dude, Like we just saw
you just saw right now. Dolci who we all rock with,
but you know she had to cancel her cancel her
europe leg leg because she wasn't selling tickets.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Look, I on a record label, a distribution company, and
I'm an artist myself. I'm gonna break all of this
down for every last one. We'll tell you everything I
tell my artists, so you don't have to guess no more.
You're awaking some of you artists, Some artists are waking
up in the morning and they're frustrated because they look
at some artists on a major label who has looks
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like they go viral every week. You're posting every single day,
five times a day, and you only get three hundred
and fifty views per post. You want to know why?
It's just money here? It's all yeah, it's just the
algorithms are work. They work this way. They no longer
work in order for you to build air platform. They
work like the lottery now, So I don't care. I
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literally was on academic TikTok page and he had videos
that had one hundred thousand views, and this guy has
one point five million on TikTok. He has videos that
have one hundred thousand views. He has videos that have
six hundred views. That's just it is what it is.
Guys like we are in the lottery. So going to
the Dochy situation, people are saying, oh, all her influences
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just bots this, all this, and it probably is some
body in there. I'm not gonna she's a measure artist,
so we're not gonna say that. But the reason she
can't put butts in a seat is because she is
playing the lottery with us. So back my day when
we first started, you can actually talk to your followers.
So if you built the following, you can say I'm
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going on tour and all your followers will be like, hooray.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
It's people that probably love Don't She's music have zero
clue that She's on tour.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
And what I was gonna say is that they just
don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
They literally have no clue. Because hosts that you put
out goes to a brand new group of people. It
hits your like super duper, super duper diehard fans, but
outside of that, it doesn't hit anyone else. So that's
the reason why we don't have a bunch of new
acts that are actually killing it. In the mid market range.
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You have either people that are doing stadiums, Carbon D
the Weekend, Drake Right or in Jelly Row, or you
have the people that are doing the clubs. But that
when we were growing, it was like.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Middle like clubs, churches, theaters.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
You know, it would go seven hundred seed five fifteen hundred.
That's dead. So you can't grow like an act like
Don't She She needs that time to develop and.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Beneath that you play that you play those you play
the ginormous festivals in hopes to come back to that
city and do the thousand seater and do that and
then and then that's your tour.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
But yeah, you can't get to them.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So I was gonna say, like, I definitely like resented
the idea that like she was a meetiate, she was
like an industry plan. I resented that idea. I don't
believe that's true about her. Of course there's bots, you know,
it's botching everybody's things, but it's it's the reality of that.
Like I am still of the belief that there is
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no substitute for getting in a van and getting in
front of people like you just you just have to
do the shows, you know what I'm saying, you have
to do. You have to make your rounds and there's
no shortcuts, you know what I'm saying. You have to
make the rounds. And I'm not saying she hasn't. I'm
just saying, you can't go from the coffee shop to
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the stadium like without, like you said, a trillion dollar budget.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, And I hate to admit this because I know
we're on hood politics and we're talking about the blacknet.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
But the person that did it was for his frank
he did it correctly.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, for those of you that don't know, he's the
biggest Christian artist out right now. But I was talking
to his booking agent. We were on a retreat, and
I know is a person that's over his agency, and
they intentionally on his first tour, he had a viral moment.
Let's take viral moment.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
That good Day song that was on every every movie.
Yeah to be a good Day.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, crazy viral moment. Right they knew.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
They were like, I think we could probably do bigger venues.
We're gonna put him in seven, seven hundred to fifteen
hundred cap rooms and we're going to smoke this market.
And that's what happened was those tickets gold out pretty easy.
I'm sure DOCI can put seven hundred people.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You can put seven hundred people in the room.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
It's certain rooms. But when you've had such big moments,
sometimes you're like, oh, that's too little for me.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I'm gonna it's gonna be an embarrassment.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
But same thing happened with Tyler over in Africa, like
South Africa's same situation, Like she had a big viral moment,
but rather than build that story, that case study, gather
that data those core people. Sometimes we think that the
Internet is real life, and it's these moments like this
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that lets us.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Know it's not not real life.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It's not as it's not as connected as real life.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I'm very happy though, to see like even the moment
that she is having that like, you know, the dark
skins are back. You know, that's always a plus. It's
always a plus for brothers like you and me.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
She the truth. I love you.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
She's incredible.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Speaking of black women, it's with the next thing in
the state of the blackness situation is in the reality
that black women have been like shining in in tennis
for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
But this this current yo yup, yup, yup.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
H so so Taylor Townsend just recently had had a
viral moment when this Lavia tennis player Jelenna I'm not
even gonna try her last name, was caught on camera
like you know, screaming and pointing and being real like
aggressive towards towards her.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
And then at the end of it that the the
when she was the commentators were interviewing her and they
were asking her like yo, like what was she saying
to you, and she was saying, oh, she was saying
I had no class and that she could never beat me,
and you know, or I can never beat her, and
we'll see what happens when you go international. But she
was just being very incredibly out of pocket, like incredibly
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out of pocket. So I'm gonna read from this quote
from w or from twenty five BWB dot org, which
is like Black Women of Beauty twenty five Black Women
of Beauty dot org. She said, watching Lafia tennis player Jelena,
I'm not gonna try her last name scream at Taylor Townsend,
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a black woman from Smyra, Smyrna, Georgia, was triggering the
vitriol in her eyes, the finger pointing, the anger. Without
knowing what was actually said, one could dismiss this as
a competitive, child like tantrum that have come to define
the world of tennis. But when you realize what was
actually being said that in that childlike outburst, you realize
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it was very serious, very serious. You have no class, Wow,
you have no education? Say what now wait to see
what happens when you get outside of US security. Time
and time again, black women are targeted and harmed for
simply defending themselves for walking with their heads up high
for us to have the audacity to move with dignity,
and enough is enough.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
So let me ask, Okay, did was they were playing
tennis against each other?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah? They were done and and Taylor won. Yep, Okay,
this all sound like a black and white thing. This
sounds like you got your ass whooped and you can't
accept the whooping thing.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
That's exactly what happened. But what I'm trying, that's exactly
what happened.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
She beat your ass, right, she beat your ass.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It's very obvious, right, But I think the point she's
trying to make is, like you take her.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Do you think it like Ruby Bridges?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
You think about like you think of the vitriol that
Serena Williams got for just crip walking at the Super Bowl,
like where it's just like y'all always expect black women
to take the high road.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And she's praised about this.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I talked to Alma about this, who she's just like,
She's like, I wonder if it's like the the MLK
of it all, Like we as a country just like.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
He like MLK.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Got the got the uh got the holiday, but ain't no,
ain't no Fred Hampton holiday, man. You know what I'm saying,
Ain't no holiday for people that stand up for themselves
like that.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
You feel me.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
So it's just like she's just like why can't she
get because like you said, like we look at that
white lady and say, oh, you just got your ass kicked,
and like, I mean, it is what it is. You
threw a tantrum for that, but I get it. You
you know you were You're competitive. It's an important moment,
you know, stuff like that. Like, but it seemed like
black women don't get that benefit of the doubt often
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mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
You know, if you asked me this question probably maybe
even last year, or or if we talked about this
maybe last year, two three years ago, I had a
different answer. But you know the thing that I realized,
like with this situation, this lady just showed that she
was just just showing the reflection of herself. Yeah, like
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she was projecting what she doesn't have. Class. You didn't
lose with class, Like you didn't lose with class. You
were being belligerent, women, uneducated. You said all these different things,
and that woman did nothing but just beat you in
a sport by the rules. Like, so to me, when
I look at that situation, I'm glad that Taylor didn't
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come down to her level because that's where she's at,
that's her emotions. Like I think black people, we're gonna
have to stop prioritizing white emotions and like it's like
that's them, the kukus Klan, that the problem. It's only
becomes my problem. So when you come over on this
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side and then I have to deal with it. But
how you think about me, how you feel about me,
your emotional state towards me, it has zero to do
with me, but it has everything to do with you.
And it's the same thing with I say the same
thing for a black person, like white people don't want
to do this.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
White people don't. It's like you we have to, Like
I've just learned.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I've just found out with myself that much of my
torment was internal. And this woman that God on Taylor
in this way, it's clear that she has self confidence issues.
Why because somebody that had real confidence knows that I
might have lost. But if I see her again, I'm
a trainer, I'm probably gonna be there next time. That's
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what my mindset goes to when I lose, that's confidence.
This woman is insecure, and if Taylor was to, I
think this shows how powerful Taylor actually is because she
did let her insecurity rock her. She's like, well, you
have an adult temperotentium, you can have it. Go ahead
and have your adult temper potentium. Now she got to
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get online and apologize to you, She got.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
To get out of here and look like the fool
that she is.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Like and she and maybe she's a great woman, Maybe
she's a great person. Maybe this was just a moment
she let her ego overrun her. And I'm just like,
I don't have time for people's egos black, yellow, pink, purple.
If an alien has egos, I don't have time for
superman egos, Like I don't have any.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Time for Yeah, no, I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I think I think the point though that they're making
in this in the is a is more of a
systemic discussion, because you're right, the reality is she ain't
got The reality is that the why they ain't got
no class, Like you don't have no class. That's why
you're saying that about this person, because you're behaving. You
had a classless moment, you understand what I'm saying so,
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which is like, I guess, like I said, but the
pushback is like, why isn't that the story? Like why
is the story about the black woman and not about
this lady not having a classless moment?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
And what is the story about the story is?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I mean, it's the whole story, But like all the
interviews at least that are maybe it's because of my algorithm,
are about how she was able to hold her peace
in this situation. I flashed back to Dylan Ruth shooting
up the church in Charleston, and the story was about
how these old black people at this church was still
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forgiving to them, and everybody was inspired about how forgiving
they were to them.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
You know what I'm saying, I just I think I
think what.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I'm hearing hearing in this pushback is like we seem
to be as a culture Black people are rewarded when
we're docile, and I don't want to and I don't
know if docile is the right word I'm being using
as a triggering word, but just more like when we're calm,
Like when we're calm, you know what I'm saying, we're
applauded and that we took the high road, you know
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what I'm saying, And then when those that are being
out of pocket with us lose, they're cool, They're they're
given the benefit of the doubt, Like you just had
like a moment, you know, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm just like, I think I think that the
idea is like when when are we ever allowed to
just have a moment?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It's dope that she did, you know, the more mature thing,
but like, but what if she didn't, Like why can't
we give her the reality to be like, yeah, she
was in your face, you said, yeah, clap back, Like
you know what I'm saying, Like you're allowed to have
that too. I think that that's that's that's a question
that I often because you know, like the quick answer,
at least culturally, is like, well, we might die, like
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if we have a moment, you know what I'm saying,
especially when it comes to like the police, we might die,
you feel me?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
But like, why are we never allowed?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I just thought that was an interesting thing, And I'm
just like what you're saying, Like I said, what you're
saying is correct, you feel me?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I think I guess the point I'm making is everybody
knows I'm a Christian. So yeah, when I'm talking about faith,
is like God says that we know him in the
fellowship of suffering. And I think that that's why black
people know. That's why you see black people always talk
about God and everything his niggas. That's selling dope right now.
That's like listening to Fred Hammond.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
You know what I'm saying, God got me no weapon
for it, against.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Me, against me, prosper crazy. And the thing I'm saying is,
I think with us we have to come to grips
with the fact that we've just been called to a
greater standard. And I don't think that standard is by
white people. I honestly think that standard is by our
ancestors and by ourselves. Like I think that this is
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a culmination of who we are as a people. Is
that when we get out of when we get out
of pocket, because think about it, the world goes as
we go. Think about culture, no facts, we leave the culture,
see the culture. So I look at it almost I
used to look at it and think, like dang man,
we can't never get no moment or every time something
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happened we're always the ones that's the center of attention.
But that cost of being the center of attention, of
being elite culture is that people expect for you to
operate at such a higher level. And we've constantly done that.
That's the thing. The thing is, we've excelled at that,
you know what I'm saying, we've been sailed at. Not
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that we've excelled at giving being given half of what
someone else has been given, but but doing.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Double do you know what I'm saying, Like we said
that Plainton on the show, we've been the moral compass
of the country.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
It's what it is. It's what it is. So when
if that's the case, then this is no different. We're
not going to get the moment where everybody's like, oh,
he crashed out, he should have crashed out, you know
what I'm saying. But I think or I would say,
we have had those moments like during those George Floyd riots,
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people knew, people knew. Listen, man, we do push these
black folks to the limit. And there's people that was
trying to say stuff on the other side, but majority
wise it was a reason why everybody got together and
said this has to stop, because they like, you know,
black people, y'all, don't push them to the limit. This
is beyond Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah, it's too far.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Speaking of too far and being pushed, Like, I think
that there's a connection here with like the federal agents.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
In d C.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, and the ice raids in California. And I believe
it or not, I had Thistle on the show, uh
to talk about saying, Lewis, the fans are coming to
Saint Louis next, you know, they talking about Chicago. I
think it's very interesting that Trump keeps targeting cities ran
by black people.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
There's that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Come on, we know what it is. You know what
it is.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
We already know what it is. Right, he talking about
going to Baltimore. Baltimore's at a fifty year low of crime.
You know what I'm saying, because it ran by black people.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Like so obvious, right, Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
But I think that there was this interesting conversation happening
here in LA about I remember what the no Kings
like rallies. You know what I'm saying, Like a lot
of black people was like, look, man, we told y'all
not to vote with this man, you you are. The
Christian version is like, you know, God is not mocked
whatever a man.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
So with all he also.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Reap yourself said, you know the street shit was like
nigg okay, look fuck around, find out man.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
In a find out phase.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
We done told y'all, ass, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's y'all you asked for this, you know what I'm saying.
But then when the ice rates started happening, there was
like obviously out here just the Black and Latino Committee,
obviously something that's like the black and brown unity, something
is very personal for me, but also coming from like
a black panther like sort of understanding of like how
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institutional oppression affects us. All, there was still talk with
among black people about like that this ice shit, this
immigration shit may not necessarily be our fight and to
be like, look said this one now, this is not
our issue, you know. I My initial thought was like, okay,
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so you've never seen a Central American black person, like
you're telling me that Africans don't immigrate, you know what
I'm saying. But but there was talk around that that
they were like look, man, like seventy percent of Latinos
voted for him, like y'all chose this We tried to
tell you this man was a price album, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
And y'all got anti blackness in y'all's culture too.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Like we try to tell you, I don't wonder I'm
wondering if you had any thoughts around that too.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yeah, So I kinda I'm in the middle, okay, because
I understand the system of brou We told y'all y'all side, like.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
You know, fuck around and find out I'm on that side.
But then I'm also on the side of It starts
with the people. It starts with one group.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Of people, then it hits another group of yep, hits
another group of people.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
But the hard part, I think the hard part for
black people is we're constantly brought in to help everybody.
Then when we're asking for help or when we're sounding
the alarm, some of those same people they don't want.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
To jump and I struggle with us, I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
So it's one of the things where I understand how
black people was Like, all right, Latino brothers and sisters,
we stand up for y'all all the time. Y'all ain't
want to stand tall for us, so hey.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
We're just gonna yeah, you told us what it was.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
But and the same thing with the Asian community sometimes,
same thing with the Arabic community. I think black just
being honest. I think Black people are just tired or
you got to fake. We with George Floyd, We with
riots of police brutality, like tons of those joints, tons
of those joints, I mean. And and the thing is this,
(43:38):
that's like version three or four, because we had Detroit
Rias before that. You got the l A Rights, you
got the Civil Rights movement, you got the all the
riots after MLK. I think just black people have collectively
got to a place where they're just exhausted of activism
at the And I'm not saying and I'm not saying
(43:59):
that that's right. I'm not saying we should be exhausted. Yeah,
when I talk to the people that I talked to
in my community, they're like, yeah, I'm just trying to
get my bread.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Bro, and just exhausted.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
But what you don't realize is if you run out
of steam and you get exhausted, you're not gonna be
able to get your bread, because it's gonna be the
wrong people in office, and they're going to make it
exponentially harder for you to just put your head down
and get your bread. Like we're all in this together,
and that's white people included, white.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
People, your thing, toy.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
What you think you think they're not.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Gonna thank you, not next yet, not gonna.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Drive the joints to the trainer park too, like I guess.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
And not only that, like these people you they telling
you they're getting rid of these people so you can
have these jobs. First of all, you don't want these jobs,
and they still not gonna give them to you because
you would charge too much.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
So they're gonna put it, gonna build tech, they build
a robots to do it.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
These are not for you, right, so number one, and
and then lastly, like I to your point, like my
thing was, like you have to remember your oppressor. Don't
see y'all any different. You're all the same to your
pressor like black, Latino, Asian, Arab, you're all the same
to them. So like it's only us that sees the difference.
They don't see no difference. Y'all are in the way
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of the bread. So like to me, it's like I
need to take this serious because like I said, they're
not They're not making a distinction between us. So that's
that's that's that's very But like I think, yeah, that
deep exhaustion resonated to me. I felt like this is
me personally, is like we don't need to collectively lead this, yeah,
(45:50):
I'm saying, but we we better be outside with y'all,
like in the same way that like during the George
Floyd thing. To me, I was like, let us lead this,
you know what I'm saying, But I want to be
able to look behind me on the second row and
see y'all back there. You know what I'm saying, to
know that you understand that this affects you too, you
feel me, So like that sort of like solidarity, I.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
Think is is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I think again, like being again a you know, coming
up under the Fred Hampton of it all, like Palestine
was always a part of the Black Panther discussion too.
It's like as they go as out we go, like
we're absolutely we're experiencing the same thing, you know. So
I think that, Yeah, I think that I think that
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that's a good point though, is like sometimes the truth
is I'm.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
Tired, That's what I'm saying. And here's the thing. I
get tired. Here's what I don't and I condemn and
I'm like, y'all are wrong for this, Like it's terrible
to make videos making fun of people's plight and saying
I have the energy to help, but I'm not gonna
(46:56):
help because I want to let y'all suffer, but I don't.
That's the thing that I'm like, come on, man, Like
if you just like man, I ain't going to the rallies,
I ain't going to the marches, that's cool. But if
you're getting it online making videos about man, I ain't
got time to worry about guys. I ain't got to
you are op?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
That's yeah, Yeah, that's behavior.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Yeah, that's that's not like, Man, I'm tired. Man, I
can't do another one of these. I'm just getting my money.
That is, I want to I want to be commended
by oppression, like becoming an oppressor in a different way
like that. To me, that's what made me pissed, Like
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Ice Ray and then we're doing black people doing content
around Ice Rays cracking jokes about hispanics.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I'm like, what, that's our behavior. That's the best way
to say behavior.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Game.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Behavior.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah, that's a good way to put it, all right.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
So the last one would be about Jalen Hurts, Philadelphia
Eagles superstar, incredible quarterback. Is good to see another black quarterback.
A few things about him in spart especially about getting
them money, is that, like it's widely known that, like,
after having a two hundred and fifty five million dollar contract,
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a man lives in a house for two k a month,
which is like love it, yes, double claps standing ovation.
And it was also rumored that he turned down an
either ten million or twelve million dollar investment for some
luxury homes in Philly because it was going to displace
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a bunch of like low income families that he was like,
not all money is good money. Now there's an asterisk
next to this because the only source I've been able
to find was like social media was like Facebook and
a few the Internet barbershop, the Internet barbershop, and a
few black enterprise accounts.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
You know what I'm saying now, So I cannot verify
that this happened.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
I've been trying all morning to try to verify this,
but I've been hearing this story for a while. Uh,
if it's true, I'm like, we need more brothers like this.
You say what you said, right, if it's not true?
How come black people be falling from false information so easily.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
Because they be true?
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Because that's why we fall for conspiracies.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Bro, sometimes it be true. We just can't. You just
can't fall for all of them though, Like that's the
that's the problem. Sometimes you can't. You will fall for
all of them. Like it's like, bro, you can't fall
for all the conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I feel like.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
So the thing is like I feel like it's like
people say that niggas don't read.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Niggas read. Niggas read a lot.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
It's just I don't think niggas know how to cross reference.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Like that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Is like a nigga come out of jail and be like, yo,
I don't read all seventeen of these books, but without
ever like going okay, since you didn't have to write
argumentative essays in high school, you, since you didn't go
to college to be able to be like, well, let
me check this source, Let me find consenting voices. Let
me look to see who else is saying this. Is
this information verified? Where is this all they're from? What
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are they doing you know what I'm saying. I just
think like a lot of times that sort of like
media literacy. What I find is like a lot of
times was missing from our culture. So niggas are like, no,
I understand exactly what this book said, but I'll be
like my nigga, like who wrote it?
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Like who is this person? Like yo' saying like why.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
The source of it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Where are you getting this from?
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah? Where's their context behind their thoughts? Because some stuff
sounds just oh they wrote it, it sounds very scientific.
Butt's Oh, then you find out that this guy believed
that black people or monkeys, So it's like.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yes, that we came from another Yeah, we came from
another planet. And then white people were just there are science, experience, experience.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
Maybe we might need to scrutinize.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
This nigga come out of jail and argue you with
numbers and physics about how the Earth is flat, because
all this nigga did in jail was read and it's
like I'd be I'll be exhausted because he's still like
gang ganging on you.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
No, gang listen, You're like, my nigga.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
You don't let that, you don't let that white school
tell you what information is.
Speaker 4 (51:37):
And see, that's why I was gonna say that, right
there is the reason why conspiracy we fall into it,
and it's because that the institutions that are supposed to
be benign are actually malignant. Yeah, they're constant programming us.
So I always say this, the ven diagram of country,
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white people and hood niggas is not Yeah, it's the same.
It's just the ones that's.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Racist the opposite.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
It's out. Everything else is the same because because we
all are dealing with some of the same exact issues,
and most of it is the programming from elites who
actually have the information, but they take it, it's stew
it in a way that's trustworthy. So then when that
information is finally comes to light, when you see the
(52:35):
full picture, you like, see, I knew y'all was lying.
I knew something was off about that. You know what
I'm saying. Now, Now we out here and they're saying
the comment coming in November is that's about to take
over everything, NBA, young boy, Because that's the thing I
love about black people, bro. I don't care if it's
(52:56):
the end of the world, bro, Like, we're all gonna crack.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
A joke we're gonna crack a joke.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
I saw a video of this old spaceship. They took
a clip from Independence Day and they had audio of
like rid wave in the background. We're the speakers going
crazy laugh. It was like this one. It's like this,
what the alien is gonna be with us?
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Oh Lord, We're gonna be like, oh ship.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
Oh the aliens are are seven foot tall and dark skinned.
So now all the black women is like, oh work,
you've been looking for you content at the concept of
just that. I'm like, you know what, We're gonna laugh, laugh,
We're gonna laugh. Conspiracy theory, that's what we're gonna don't
(53:49):
believe one, that's what it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Oh man, man, Derek, thank you for your time.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Please plug whatever you need to plug right now and
tell everybody what's going on with you.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
I'm dropping a new album September nineteenth called Vigilante. Definitely
go pre saved. The link is in the bio, but
y'all already knew that that's the only place they let
us put links anyway, And uh yeah, that's it. That's
all I got got new music. We I mastered that
prop album, so if it sounds bad.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
I'm sorry, no, but yo, no, I can't thank you enough.
Probably all of the Terrorform stuff Derek mixed and mastered.
You know this new project, Derek uh mastered it. Man
so him and Matt you know Matt how Souski killing
the beat. Saucy Who's made all the music on this
episode is it's a diffredible dude, yeah man so yeah,
(54:43):
So thank you for your time. You know you stepped
away from the grill. You're gonna get back on that grill.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
I wish I was.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
There because listen, Derek, Derek turned into your uncle, your
uncle pleats man.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
He got leather sandals.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
When you get on that grill, boyd. All right, y'all uslug.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
All right, now, don't you hit stop on this pod.
You better listen to these credits. I need you to
finish this thing so I can get the download numbers. Okay,
(55:23):
so don't stop it yet, but listen. This was recorded
in East Lost Boyle Heights by your boy Propaganda. Tap
in with me at prop hip hop dot com. If
you're in the Coldbrew coffee we got Terraform Coldbrew. You
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(55:46):
and mastered by your boy Matt Alsowski Killing the beast softly.
Check out his website Mattosofski dot com.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
I'm a spell it for you because I know m
A T.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
T O s O W s Ki dot com Matthawsowski
dot com. He got more music and stuff like that
on there, so gonna check out. The heat Politics is
a member of cool Zone Media, executive produced by Sophie Lichterman,
part of the iHeartMedia podcast network. Your theme music and
(56:18):
scoring is also by the one and nobly Mattawsowski. Still
killing the beat softly, So listen, don't let nobody lie
to you. If you understand urban living, you understand politics.
These people is not smarter than you. We'll see y'all
next week.
All media. Okay, black people, we need to have us
are all hands on deck meeting. Okay, the rest of y'all,
I guess are welcome. Just don't say nothing. Okay, we
need to talk right now. So the following episode you
(00:27):
about to see is me and Derek kind of have
an emergency stay to the blackness meeting. We need to
show up at the beauty part of barbershop. We gotta
talk about things that like we just out here catch
its straights now. I recorded this. This is the second
time Derek and I have started something and then the
(00:50):
world completely changed by the time it came out. So
me and Derek recorded this two weeks ago. Derek is
in Derek Minor, who's like my real friend.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
You know.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
He mixed and mastered all of my last four records,
all of the Terrorform albums. Like he's got a new
record out called Vigilanti right now. It's incredible him and
a hummy cannon. Derrek's one of the most talented brothers
I know. He is the epitome of Sophist the Ratchet
because that boy. Anyway, we did not know the first
(01:23):
time the world blew up was me and him were
planning on touring from an album that we made, y'all
hear my microwave, that's my lunch. An album we made
in twenty nineteen called Nothing but a Word, and we
were planning on a spring tour the spring of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
I'm gonna go ahead and let you do the math.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So when we recorded this, Yo, your new little martyr,
Charlie Kirk was alive when we recorded this, so.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
A lot has changed.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
That's not it's funny. I'm not laughing at Charlie Kirk's death.
And just you gotta you gotta get these people disclaimers
for they get before they get really hurt, you know.
I mean, let's not not to one up y'all.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
But y'all don't remember tray vonning.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
As like a social media trend where you pretended like
you was dead on the ground with skittles and a
hoodie on.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Y'all don't remember that, so anyway I remember it anyway, like.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
George Zenneman wasn't on like a speaking towards signing the
gun he killed that young man with. But you mad
at us for acknowledging the words that came out of
Charlie Kirk's mouth. Okay, we got it anyway, that had
not happened, Like so this assassination had not happened yet. Uh,
(02:54):
we just grossly overshot the time I mean of this thing.
But since Derek's one of one of my actual homies,
that's my ace boone coon, which I'm realizing is a
horrible phrase, so I'd rather say my man fifty grand.
We had some updates, right, So one of the updates
(03:15):
is like, how is HBCUs having their funding challenge? Why
are they having a shut down out of caution because
of the death threats coming too?
Speaker 3 (03:27):
What we got to do with this? We did not.
It was almost like it with Derek was saying.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Derek was like, look man, it was almost like while
Trump and them was on Ice was on all the
immigrants ass, It's like when yo, mama's is whooping your
brother's ass. You know what I'm saying, He's staying in
trouble and you kind of maybe you forgot, maybe you
feel like you might be cool. Your mama look over
you and be like, I ain't forgot about you. I'm
(03:54):
coming to you later. You're like, oh damn, Like how
you forgot about you?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
Now?
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Don't you start laughing over there, and you think, I
don't think you think your mama to forgot. How if
you got siblings, you watching your siblings get in trouble,
it might make you feel like maybe she gonna forget
my man. She I ain't forgot about you, man. That
is the most the shiver. It was almost like that's
(04:21):
why with the black people, all the attention was on
the border, all the attention was on Gaza. We was
out there being good allies, and he said, I ain't
forgot about y'all.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
On some it was like we didn't even do anything well,
had nothing to do with that man death. What you
oh lord?
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Then we were talking about Jimmy Kimmel and uh yeah,
if I mean, if they shutting down them rich white people,
I don't know how safe we think we is. You
ain't afraid of whoa anyway. So this is me and
my own boy, just shooting the breeze. We're in the
barbershop hood politics, ladies and gentleman hood politics with prop
(05:18):
a special emergency Black meeting here. Oftentimes, emergency would mean
that there's a particular problem, and it's not so much
as there's a problem, it's just I feel like that
the issues are stacking up. And secondly, as someone who
listens back to their own work, I know a lot
of artists, a lot of people that be like, oh,
(05:38):
I don't listen to my stuff.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
After I'm done, I'll be listening to it, you know
what I'm saying, because I'd be like, I didn't allow it.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
It took me.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
It was real hard for me to do this, you know,
And a lot of times I need to be memorizing
the stuff, you know what I'm saying, especially when it
comes to like the hip hop or the music. Like
with the poetry record, I'm still like I was like, damn,
that's like eleven poems. Like I have to memorize these poles.
So I'm actually listening to myself of a lot right now.
But in listening back to our podcast, I kind of
(06:05):
feel like, I don't know, it's almost like this. I mean,
there's no update. It's genocide in Gaza right now. They
being starved. I mean, what is real bombed another another hospital,
which you like, there's that's what's happening, you know what
I'm saying. I'm like, you want me tell you about
another civil right being removed from us? Like it did
(06:25):
Trump is putting federal agents in our streets. That's that's
out of There's nothing. I don't know what else to
add to that. That is what's happening. So in the
midst of this, I thought I would bring my hoodiest, countryest,
citiest musicalist, hybridist friend on the pod Ladies and gentlemen,
(06:47):
Derek Minor, what's up buddy?
Speaker 4 (06:49):
And hell, what's had? I got the evil villain laugh
already know, but hey, let's get to it.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Listen, listen, so Yo Sign of Shine. So Derek was
on one of the first politics episodes, uh, when we
were talking about putting respect on your name, Derek, Derek,
I think in a lot of ways, you know, me
and him are very similar in the sense that.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Like we navigate multiple worlds.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Derek is like equal parts Cashville and Detroit. So like
to have both of those inside him is just it's
already a feuding tempest inside which one of these versions
of hip is go show up and at the same
time man me and him can go enjoy some ramen.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, we we
like that we we he wanted the homies. I go
to Montana and fly fish with so that explains all that. So,
so Derek has.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
Been more mature than all of us and deleted his
social media and has man, how's your nervous system?
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So I haven't deleted it, but I just I really have.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
Like my reset on Instagram because for people to.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Please tell please tell me about this, this was amazing.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Right, So I had one hundred and thirty three thousand.
I still I still got one hundred and thirty three
thousand on my original account, but man, it just the
count felt very cluttered and it felt very confusing. So
I just started over rather than just like so, I
was like, I'm following so many different people, and you know,
like if you unfollow people, it creates this weird thing
(08:33):
like why they didn't follow me. Like I was like, man,
you know, I'm so to start a new account because one,
I actually want to know who the heck actually cares
about what I'm doing. I don't care it's thirty people.
I just want to know those thirty people are. And
then two I see it refreshed, and honestly, it was
the best thing that ever happened to me. Because I
(08:53):
feel like I'm at I feel like I'm at how
ig was.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
At the beginning. I still get the ad and all
that stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
I see a lot more of the stuff from the
people that I care about, you know what I mean.
Probably was actually just following too many people. Probably it
was so I saw the old account. I use it
to just like post clips. But the Derek you want
to hear my thoughts is at RMG. But all of
that to say, when I saw the fruit of like
(09:23):
having a very concise and a very like focused like
everything else with the same exact way, like I just
don't like everything. We're just getting rid of if I
don't care about it is, we're getting rid of it.
And I'm just like, I'm gonna stay out of the
new cycle if it gets if it's important enough to
(09:44):
get to me, then it's really really important. That's pretty
much where I'm at right now, what it is. I'm
not gonna jump on everything because it's literally if it's
like a hurricane.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
Of feces, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
There's yeah, which which kind of like nah, this is
perfect because that kind of jumps into the stuff we're
kind of talking about because like a lot of times,
this is the the the the double edged sort of
just being black specifically, but being just a minority in
our country, is that like a lot of stuff, Being
(10:22):
able to avoid things can be a privilege, you know
what I'm saying, Like, like, especially with like black issues,
it's like, man, we can't avoid this.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I wish I could unplug, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
But like you know what I'm saying, But like the
reality is, like you know the truth of intersectionality and
the difference between you know, sort of class and race
and all this stuff, like how we exist in all
these things, Like to be real, you and I do
not live in the projects no more, yo, I'm saying, So,
like we make enough to have some financial sort of
(10:53):
space to be like, yeah, I don't have to. There's
some stuff I can unplug from. You feel me like,
but that's but you know it, I know I always
exist in this tumoil to be like, damn, man, I
wish too bad. Too bad kids and guys that can't
unplug their internet. And you know what I'm saying, So
like is that something you think about though?
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah? Nah, So my thought process in that sense is
this because I did have that initial thought, like am
I quitting like this idea? Because people know me for activism.
People know me for like my voice, and it's like,
am I quitting in a sense like I let them win?
Like all right, get out of the conversation. And for me, no,
I didn't because I feel like it's actually made me
(11:37):
more intuned, but just in a different way, because I realized,
like a lot of times when you look at social media,
it's well crafted narratives by expert marketers. Yeah, and you can.
You have to be able to juggle. Is this an
actual news story or is this a well crafted narrative
by expert marketer.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
I get all my dudes from the barbershop.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Now we're back on that.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
We're back on that. Look here, so this is no yeah. See,
this is why we had to have a black meeting.
It's like, nigga, you just go back to the hood.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, I'm at the barbershop. We're sitting there. I don't
want to go to I got two boys though, So
we're sitting there. I'm sitting there through two haircuts. I
called the whole hood. Bro. No lie a nigga. A
nigga pulled up to the barbershop. Was a white dude.
White dude pulled up to the barbershop with a trunk
full of ox tails that he was selling for ten dollars.
(12:35):
Like it was like it was hottails. So it's like
he's like, I got ribbon steaks, I got chickens. I
went back there. It's the station wagon. He done. Put
a fan back there and make and the cooler's cooler.
And I'm like, yeah, I'm back. I'm like I'm back,
Like I'm back, Like I felt like I lost myself.
(12:56):
I'm back though, like you know. So it's like, you know,
we learned about everything, we learned about young thug. We
learned about we learned about the Everything I needed to
know was in the barbershop. So it's like I feel
like I'm more in tune now, Like.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah, I love it you you're more tapped in because
you had real conversations about see look community boys.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Yes, because it matters. It's not like somebody saying something.
I'm like, oh, yeah, I heard about that. You know
what I'm saying. It's like, no, I'm genuinely being educated
by two sides of a conversation in the barbershop in
real time.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
It's like literal local news.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Yes, it is like literally the local news I love
it so personally.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
You got far out dude. Everybody in the barbershop you
have to far out dude. This like he takes the
opposite side of every logical Yeah, I got what. I
just have one of him. I don't have like trolls
and bots that are doing that. You know what I'm saying.
It's just like the one guy.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Okay, good, well, let's do perfect or let's dive in.
That's what I think.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
That's what we're gonna call this shows Like I get
all the news I need from the barbershop.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
So speaking speaking of speaking of Thugger, Okay, so Thugger
somehow beat his case in a way that like, in
some senses, I'm like, yeah, you know, like damn they
are just raps, right, but his rico case. What was
so unique about for y'all to I mean, we covered
this once before on the show, but for y'all to understand, like,
what was so unique about, uh, the whole Young's line thing,
(14:27):
the whole young thug thing was that for the for
the most of hip hop history, especially like the street stuff,
you would be out in the streets pushing weight to
fund your exit out of it, and you fund your
exit out of that via music. So you start doing
music to get out the streets.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Or you use hip hop to clean it up.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Or you use hip hop to clean it up the money,
you clean the money the other What.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Was so interesting about thug is it was the other
way around.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
It was like you was out the streets, you were
doing music, you made it, and then was using that
to go back in, and like it was just such
a bizarre thing.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
But anyway, we all had something to.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Say about Gunna and Gonna, who clearly told them something
to be able to get out early, right, And when
you build your career on being a street dude, like
it always gonna come back to you, especially because careers
in streets just the reality is they just don't mix.
So anyway, he got out, Thugger's now out, and now
(15:37):
some tapes are coming out of him talking about look, man,
as long as y'all don't tell the public, I tell
the fizz whatever y'all want to hear. And then after
that was talking about how he paid for Gunner streams.
That ain't no way in the world that man was
gonna do better, gonna have a number one over the weekend.
So both of us are in music, both of us,
(16:00):
whether we was, whether we were literally running the streets
like that, in which we wasn't, but we're very close
to those who were.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
H on this this the rise and Fall of Young Thug.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
I got a couple thoughts. Okay, Number one, this is
the this is my most like this, this thought, it
permeates all of it. Who's releasing the tapes?
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Number one?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
I like who was?
Speaker 4 (16:28):
Because a lot of them are between him or so.
I haven't heard everything, but I've only heard a lot
of conversations with him, between him and twenty one Savage.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Yeah, so this was Savage recording the tapes?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
And did his team drop them or did the Because
I mean, obviously, when you're in jail, everything that you
say is recorded, So are they dropping it like a mixsafe?
Because they don't got bro? No more like that's a
great because because we don't know where the tapes are
coming from.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
And the like. That was the other thing for me,
I was like, this could be Ai.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
This not Ai.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
This ain't no AI. Okay, that's the boys.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
I don't believe. So the reason why I don't believe
so is because the AI has a certain sonic tent.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, it's a sonic tent to it.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Yeah, and it's like, I don't hear it.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I don't hear I could be better, but it's too clean.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I felt the same way.
Speaker 4 (17:25):
You can't use effects to make it sound like this.
It feels very long. But I could be wrong, like
because AI has come way further than I would have
imagined it would come. But the thing I'm saying is,
that's number one who is dropping these tapes? Yeah, and
for what reason? What? Like why are you doing this?
(17:46):
Like yeah, I don't understand, y'all show me the play.
That's number one, number two. I'm sitting here like twenty
one Savage is the adult in the room, the nigga
with the knife on his forehead. When did this happen?
I listened to what tape and he said, see this
(18:08):
the problem.
Speaker 6 (18:09):
Niggas keep jumping the gun, keep jumping the gun. But
he's like, they gotta have some self control and some discipline.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
I'm like, yeah, you damn.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Right, you can tell the London boy your tap.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
He has really become the adult in the room of
that generation. When it's like when because he came in
the game. Oh see it then talk about this a
knife looking like a batman villain. So that's number one, uh,
number two, Number three. The tape that bothered me the
(18:47):
most was Doug said at one point in time, he
was like, or the part of tape about me. He said,
at one point in time, I came out and I
wanted to come out, or I thought about coming out
telling everybody like, yo, this don't matter, like man, that
man just doing what you gotta do to take care
of his family. But he said by that time, little
Dirk and little Baby had already did they dis record?
(19:07):
And he was like, how would he have looked if
he came out and said what he actually felt? Which
was true? Yeah, And that is the part that that
made me it hurt. It made me hurt for him,
and it made me hurt because, uh, you know, Baby
and Dirk might have jumped the gun and even but
(19:29):
thugs just ran with it. Yeah that's what bother's like.
But at the same time, man was on trial for murders.
So he's done worse.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
Things than yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
No organizations the way worse things than lie. But it's
just I think the thing that I hope and I
don't doubt it will happen. But the thing that I
hope that these little niggas realize is like this street
ship is lame. That's it's lame. If that's the lesson
(20:02):
and all of this is like all these niggas y'all
look up to that y'all think is super gangsters. Ain't
none of them more gangster than the United States government?
They take all your kids and make them niggas snitch
because at the end of the day, don't nobody want
every a nigga not gonna go from smashing whatever girl
he wants to eating this high quality food to three
(20:25):
hots and a cop. I don't care how real they is, bro,
they gonna try to get out. And I think that
that is the little niggas get is that all your partners,
all the dudes you look up to, the ones you
are here getting shot forward, you saying what what? What?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
What the do?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Them niggas is snitching.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
That's what they're I'm like, listen, listen.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
If you ain't listen, white people watching like just the
Epstein Files, I mean, is y'all are y'all not paying attention?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
It's the same.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
You're gonna start singing. Yeah, yup, they gonna start singing
when there's a problem. I love it, man. I think
(21:34):
for the for the artists on the other side of that,
for the artists where Thugas said what we all knew,
which is like, no one's really.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
No one's really being.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Number one, Like you buy you buy them streams. Yeah, yeah,
it's bought and soul like, don't So if you're putting
out little albums whatever, and you know you got your
thousand monthly listeners, those are thousand. Those are actual, they're
actually listening to you.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Like, so when you see them like, oh they got
thirty million listeners, don't listen dude, Like we just saw
you just saw right now. Dolci who we all rock with,
but you know she had to cancel her cancel her
europe leg leg because she wasn't selling tickets.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Look, I on a record label, a distribution company, and
I'm an artist myself. I'm gonna break all of this
down for every last one. We'll tell you everything I
tell my artists, so you don't have to guess no more.
You're awaking some of you artists, Some artists are waking
up in the morning and they're frustrated because they look
at some artists on a major label who has looks
(22:47):
like they go viral every week. You're posting every single day,
five times a day, and you only get three hundred
and fifty views per post. You want to know why?
It's just money here? It's all yeah, it's just the
algorithms are work. They work this way. They no longer
work in order for you to build air platform. They
work like the lottery now, So I don't care. I
(23:11):
literally was on academic TikTok page and he had videos
that had one hundred thousand views, and this guy has
one point five million on TikTok. He has videos that
have one hundred thousand views. He has videos that have
six hundred views. That's just it is what it is.
Guys like we are in the lottery. So going to
the Dochy situation, people are saying, oh, all her influences
(23:35):
just bots this, all this, and it probably is some
body in there. I'm not gonna she's a measure artist,
so we're not gonna say that. But the reason she
can't put butts in a seat is because she is
playing the lottery with us. So back my day when
we first started, you can actually talk to your followers.
So if you built the following, you can say I'm
(23:56):
going on tour and all your followers will be like, hooray.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
It's people that probably love Don't She's music have zero
clue that She's on tour.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
And what I was gonna say is that they just
don't know.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
They literally have no clue. Because hosts that you put
out goes to a brand new group of people. It
hits your like super duper, super duper diehard fans, but
outside of that, it doesn't hit anyone else. So that's
the reason why we don't have a bunch of new
acts that are actually killing it. In the mid market range.
(24:28):
You have either people that are doing stadiums, Carbon D
the Weekend, Drake Right or in Jelly Row, or you
have the people that are doing the clubs. But that
when we were growing, it was like.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Middle like clubs, churches, theaters.
Speaker 4 (24:48):
You know, it would go seven hundred seed five fifteen hundred.
That's dead. So you can't grow like an act like
Don't She She needs that time to develop and.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
Beneath that you play that you play those you play
the ginormous festivals in hopes to come back to that
city and do the thousand seater and do that and
then and then that's your tour.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
But yeah, you can't get to them.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
So I was gonna say, like, I definitely like resented
the idea that like she was a meetiate, she was
like an industry plan. I resented that idea. I don't
believe that's true about her. Of course there's bots, you know,
it's botching everybody's things, but it's it's the reality of that.
Like I am still of the belief that there is
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no substitute for getting in a van and getting in
front of people like you just you just have to
do the shows, you know what I'm saying, you have
to do. You have to make your rounds and there's
no shortcuts, you know what I'm saying. You have to
make the rounds. And I'm not saying she hasn't. I'm
just saying, you can't go from the coffee shop to
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the stadium like without, like you said, a trillion dollar budget.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Yeah, And I hate to admit this because I know
we're on hood politics and we're talking about the blacknet.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
But the person that did it was for his frank
he did it correctly.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Yeah, for those of you that don't know, he's the
biggest Christian artist out right now. But I was talking
to his booking agent. We were on a retreat, and
I know is a person that's over his agency, and
they intentionally on his first tour, he had a viral moment.
Let's take viral moment.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
That good Day song that was on every every movie.
Yeah to be a good Day.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Yeah, crazy viral moment. Right they knew.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
They were like, I think we could probably do bigger venues.
We're gonna put him in seven, seven hundred to fifteen
hundred cap rooms and we're going to smoke this market.
And that's what happened was those tickets gold out pretty easy.
I'm sure DOCI can put seven hundred people.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You can put seven hundred people in the room.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
It's certain rooms. But when you've had such big moments,
sometimes you're like, oh, that's too little for me.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I'm gonna it's gonna be an embarrassment.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
But same thing happened with Tyler over in Africa, like
South Africa's same situation, Like she had a big viral moment,
but rather than build that story, that case study, gather
that data those core people. Sometimes we think that the
Internet is real life, and it's these moments like this
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that lets us.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Know it's not not real life.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It's not as it's not as connected as real life.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
I'm very happy though, to see like even the moment
that she is having that like, you know, the dark
skins are back. You know, that's always a plus. It's
always a plus for brothers like you and me.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
She the truth. I love you.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
She's incredible.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Speaking of black women, it's with the next thing in
the state of the blackness situation is in the reality
that black women have been like shining in in tennis
for a very long time.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
But this this current yo yup, yup, yup.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
H so so Taylor Townsend just recently had had a
viral moment when this Lavia tennis player Jelenna I'm not
even gonna try her last name, was caught on camera
like you know, screaming and pointing and being real like
aggressive towards towards her.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
And then at the end of it that the the
when she was the commentators were interviewing her and they
were asking her like yo, like what was she saying
to you, and she was saying, oh, she was saying
I had no class and that she could never beat me,
and you know, or I can never beat her, and
we'll see what happens when you go international. But she
was just being very incredibly out of pocket, like incredibly
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out of pocket. So I'm gonna read from this quote
from w or from twenty five BWB dot org, which
is like Black Women of Beauty twenty five Black Women
of Beauty dot org. She said, watching Lafia tennis player Jelena,
I'm not gonna try her last name scream at Taylor Townsend,
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a black woman from Smyra, Smyrna, Georgia, was triggering the
vitriol in her eyes, the finger pointing, the anger. Without
knowing what was actually said, one could dismiss this as
a competitive, child like tantrum that have come to define
the world of tennis. But when you realize what was
actually being said that in that childlike outburst, you realize
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it was very serious, very serious. You have no class, Wow,
you have no education? Say what now wait to see
what happens when you get outside of US security. Time
and time again, black women are targeted and harmed for
simply defending themselves for walking with their heads up high
for us to have the audacity to move with dignity,
and enough is enough.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
So let me ask, Okay, did was they were playing
tennis against each other?
Speaker 4 (30:11):
Yeah? They were done and and Taylor won. Yep, Okay,
this all sound like a black and white thing. This
sounds like you got your ass whooped and you can't
accept the whooping thing.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
That's exactly what happened. But what I'm trying, that's exactly
what happened.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
She beat your ass, right, she beat your ass.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
It's very obvious, right, But I think the point she's
trying to make is, like you take her.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Do you think it like Ruby Bridges?
Speaker 1 (30:36):
You think about like you think of the vitriol that
Serena Williams got for just crip walking at the Super Bowl,
like where it's just like y'all always expect black women
to take the high road.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
And she's praised about this.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I talked to Alma about this, who she's just like,
She's like, I wonder if it's like the the MLK
of it all, Like we as a country just like.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
He like MLK.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Got the got the uh got the holiday, but ain't no,
ain't no Fred Hampton holiday, man. You know what I'm saying,
Ain't no holiday for people that stand up for themselves
like that.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
You feel me.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
So it's just like she's just like why can't she
get because like you said, like we look at that
white lady and say, oh, you just got your ass kicked,
and like, I mean, it is what it is. You
threw a tantrum for that, but I get it. You
you know you were You're competitive. It's an important moment,
you know, stuff like that. Like, but it seemed like
black women don't get that benefit of the doubt often
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mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
You know, if you asked me this question probably maybe
even last year, or or if we talked about this
maybe last year, two three years ago, I had a
different answer. But you know the thing that I realized,
like with this situation, this lady just showed that she
was just just showing the reflection of herself. Yeah, like
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she was projecting what she doesn't have. Class. You didn't
lose with class, Like you didn't lose with class. You
were being belligerent, women, uneducated. You said all these different things,
and that woman did nothing but just beat you in
a sport by the rules. Like, so to me, when
I look at that situation, I'm glad that Taylor didn't
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come down to her level because that's where she's at,
that's her emotions. Like I think black people, we're gonna
have to stop prioritizing white emotions and like it's like
that's them, the kukus Klan, that the problem. It's only
becomes my problem. So when you come over on this
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side and then I have to deal with it. But
how you think about me, how you feel about me,
your emotional state towards me, it has zero to do
with me, but it has everything to do with you.
And it's the same thing with I say the same
thing for a black person, like white people don't want
to do this.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
White people don't. It's like you we have to, Like
I've just learned.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
I've just found out with myself that much of my
torment was internal. And this woman that God on Taylor
in this way, it's clear that she has self confidence issues.
Why because somebody that had real confidence knows that I
might have lost. But if I see her again, I'm
a trainer, I'm probably gonna be there next time. That's
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what my mindset goes to when I lose, that's confidence.
This woman is insecure, and if Taylor was to, I
think this shows how powerful Taylor actually is because she
did let her insecurity rock her. She's like, well, you
have an adult temperotentium, you can have it. Go ahead
and have your adult temper potentium. Now she got to
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get online and apologize to you, She got.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
To get out of here and look like the fool
that she is.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Like and she and maybe she's a great woman, Maybe
she's a great person. Maybe this was just a moment
she let her ego overrun her. And I'm just like,
I don't have time for people's egos black, yellow, pink, purple.
If an alien has egos, I don't have time for
superman egos, Like I don't have any.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Time for Yeah, no, I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I think I think the point though that they're making
in this in the is a is more of a
systemic discussion, because you're right, the reality is she ain't
got The reality is that the why they ain't got
no class, Like you don't have no class. That's why
you're saying that about this person, because you're behaving. You
had a classless moment, you understand what I'm saying so,
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which is like, I guess, like I said, but the
pushback is like, why isn't that the story? Like why
is the story about the black woman and not about
this lady not having a classless moment?
Speaker 4 (34:51):
And what is the story about the story is?
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I mean, it's the whole story, But like all the
interviews at least that are maybe it's because of my algorithm,
are about how she was able to hold her peace
in this situation. I flashed back to Dylan Ruth shooting
up the church in Charleston, and the story was about
how these old black people at this church was still
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forgiving to them, and everybody was inspired about how forgiving
they were to them.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
You know what I'm saying, I just I think I
think what.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
I'm hearing hearing in this pushback is like we seem
to be as a culture Black people are rewarded when
we're docile, and I don't want to and I don't
know if docile is the right word I'm being using
as a triggering word, but just more like when we're calm,
Like when we're calm, you know what I'm saying, we're
applauded and that we took the high road, you know
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what I'm saying, And then when those that are being
out of pocket with us lose, they're cool, They're they're
given the benefit of the doubt, Like you just had
like a moment, you know, you know what I'm saying.
So I'm just like, I think I think that the
idea is like when when are we ever allowed to
just have a moment?
Speaker 3 (36:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
It's dope that she did, you know, the more mature thing,
but like, but what if she didn't, Like why can't
we give her the reality to be like, yeah, she
was in your face, you said, yeah, clap back, Like
you know what I'm saying, Like you're allowed to have
that too. I think that that's that's that's a question
that I often because you know, like the quick answer,
at least culturally, is like, well, we might die, like
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if we have a moment, you know what I'm saying,
especially when it comes to like the police, we might die,
you feel me?
Speaker 3 (36:38):
But like, why are we never allowed?
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I just thought that was an interesting thing, And I'm
just like what you're saying, Like I said, what you're
saying is correct, you feel me?
Speaker 4 (36:47):
I think I guess the point I'm making is everybody
knows I'm a Christian. So yeah, when I'm talking about faith,
is like God says that we know him in the
fellowship of suffering. And I think that that's why black
people know. That's why you see black people always talk
about God and everything his niggas. That's selling dope right now.
That's like listening to Fred Hammond.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
You know what I'm saying, God got me no weapon
for it, against.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Me, against me, prosper crazy. And the thing I'm saying is,
I think with us we have to come to grips
with the fact that we've just been called to a
greater standard. And I don't think that standard is by
white people. I honestly think that standard is by our
ancestors and by ourselves. Like I think that this is
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a culmination of who we are as a people. Is
that when we get out of when we get out
of pocket, because think about it, the world goes as
we go. Think about culture, no facts, we leave the culture,
see the culture. So I look at it almost I
used to look at it and think, like dang man,
we can't never get no moment or every time something
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happened we're always the ones that's the center of attention.
But that cost of being the center of attention, of
being elite culture is that people expect for you to
operate at such a higher level. And we've constantly done that.
That's the thing. The thing is, we've excelled at that,
you know what I'm saying, we've been sailed at. Not
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that we've excelled at giving being given half of what
someone else has been given, but but doing.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
Double do you know what I'm saying, Like we said
that Plainton on the show, we've been the moral compass
of the country.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
It's what it is. It's what it is. So when
if that's the case, then this is no different. We're
not going to get the moment where everybody's like, oh,
he crashed out, he should have crashed out, you know
what I'm saying. But I think or I would say,
we have had those moments like during those George Floyd riots,
(38:53):
people knew, people knew. Listen, man, we do push these
black folks to the limit. And there's people that was
trying to say stuff on the other side, but majority
wise it was a reason why everybody got together and
said this has to stop, because they like, you know,
black people, y'all, don't push them to the limit. This
is beyond Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Yeah, it's too far.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Speaking of too far and being pushed, Like, I think
that there's a connection here with like the federal agents.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
In d C.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Yeah, and the ice raids in California. And I believe
it or not, I had Thistle on the show, uh
to talk about saying, Lewis, the fans are coming to
Saint Louis next, you know, they talking about Chicago. I
think it's very interesting that Trump keeps targeting cities ran
by black people.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
There's that you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
Come on, we know what it is. You know what
it is.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
We already know what it is. Right, he talking about
going to Baltimore. Baltimore's at a fifty year low of crime.
You know what I'm saying, because it ran by black people.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (40:25):
Like so obvious, right, Uh.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
But I think that there was this interesting conversation happening
here in LA about I remember what the no Kings
like rallies. You know what I'm saying, Like a lot
of black people was like, look, man, we told y'all
not to vote with this man, you you are. The
Christian version is like, you know, God is not mocked
whatever a man.
Speaker 3 (40:48):
So with all he also.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
Reap yourself said, you know the street shit was like
nigg okay, look fuck around, find out man.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
In a find out phase.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
We done told y'all, ass, you know what I'm saying, Like,
that's y'all you asked for this, you know what I'm saying.
But then when the ice rates started happening, there was
like obviously out here just the Black and Latino Committee,
obviously something that's like the black and brown unity, something
is very personal for me, but also coming from like
a black panther like sort of understanding of like how
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institutional oppression affects us. All, there was still talk with
among black people about like that this ice shit, this
immigration shit may not necessarily be our fight and to
be like, look said this one now, this is not
our issue, you know. I My initial thought was like, okay,
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so you've never seen a Central American black person, like
you're telling me that Africans don't immigrate, you know what
I'm saying. But but there was talk around that that
they were like look, man, like seventy percent of Latinos
voted for him, like y'all chose this We tried to
tell you this man was a price album, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
And y'all got anti blackness in y'all's culture too.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Like we try to tell you, I don't wonder I'm
wondering if you had any thoughts around that too.
Speaker 5 (42:10):
Yeah, So I kinda I'm in the middle, okay, because
I understand the system of brou We told y'all y'all side, like.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
You know, fuck around and find out I'm on that side.
But then I'm also on the side of It starts
with the people. It starts with one group.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
Of people, then it hits another group of yep, hits
another group of people.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
But the hard part, I think the hard part for
black people is we're constantly brought in to help everybody.
Then when we're asking for help or when we're sounding
the alarm, some of those same people they don't want.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
To jump and I struggle with us, I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
So it's one of the things where I understand how
black people was Like, all right, Latino brothers and sisters,
we stand up for y'all all the time. Y'all ain't
want to stand tall for us, so hey.
Speaker 3 (43:13):
We're just gonna yeah, you told us what it was.
Speaker 4 (43:16):
But and the same thing with the Asian community sometimes,
same thing with the Arabic community. I think black just
being honest. I think Black people are just tired or
you got to fake. We with George Floyd, We with
riots of police brutality, like tons of those joints, tons
of those joints, I mean. And and the thing is this,
(43:38):
that's like version three or four, because we had Detroit
Rias before that. You got the l A Rights, you
got the Civil Rights movement, you got the all the
riots after MLK. I think just black people have collectively
got to a place where they're just exhausted of activism
at the And I'm not saying and I'm not saying
(43:59):
that that's right. I'm not saying we should be exhausted. Yeah,
when I talk to the people that I talked to
in my community, they're like, yeah, I'm just trying to
get my bread.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Bro, and just exhausted.
Speaker 4 (44:10):
But what you don't realize is if you run out
of steam and you get exhausted, you're not gonna be
able to get your bread, because it's gonna be the
wrong people in office, and they're going to make it
exponentially harder for you to just put your head down
and get your bread. Like we're all in this together,
and that's white people included, white.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
People, your thing, toy.
Speaker 4 (44:33):
What you think you think they're not.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
Gonna thank you, not next yet, not gonna.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
Drive the joints to the trainer park too, like I guess.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
And not only that, like these people you they telling
you they're getting rid of these people so you can
have these jobs. First of all, you don't want these jobs,
and they still not gonna give them to you because
you would charge too much.
Speaker 3 (44:56):
So they're gonna put it, gonna build tech, they build
a robots to do it.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
These are not for you, right, so number one, and
and then lastly, like I to your point, like my
thing was, like you have to remember your oppressor. Don't
see y'all any different. You're all the same to your
pressor like black, Latino, Asian, Arab, you're all the same
to them. So like it's only us that sees the difference.
They don't see no difference. Y'all are in the way
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of the bread. So like to me, it's like I
need to take this serious because like I said, they're
not They're not making a distinction between us. So that's
that's that's that's very But like I think, yeah, that
deep exhaustion resonated to me. I felt like this is
me personally, is like we don't need to collectively lead this, yeah,
(45:50):
I'm saying, but we we better be outside with y'all,
like in the same way that like during the George
Floyd thing. To me, I was like, let us lead this,
you know what I'm saying, But I want to be
able to look behind me on the second row and
see y'all back there. You know what I'm saying, to
know that you understand that this affects you too, you
feel me, So like that sort of like solidarity, I.
Speaker 3 (46:09):
Think is is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
I think again, like being again a you know, coming
up under the Fred Hampton of it all, like Palestine
was always a part of the Black Panther discussion too.
It's like as they go as out we go, like
we're absolutely we're experiencing the same thing, you know. So
I think that, Yeah, I think that I think that
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that's a good point though, is like sometimes the truth
is I'm.
Speaker 4 (46:36):
Tired, That's what I'm saying. And here's the thing. I
get tired. Here's what I don't and I condemn and
I'm like, y'all are wrong for this, Like it's terrible
to make videos making fun of people's plight and saying
I have the energy to help, but I'm not gonna
(46:56):
help because I want to let y'all suffer, but I don't.
That's the thing that I'm like, come on, man, Like
if you just like man, I ain't going to the rallies,
I ain't going to the marches, that's cool. But if
you're getting it online making videos about man, I ain't
got time to worry about guys. I ain't got to
you are op?
Speaker 3 (47:16):
That's yeah, Yeah, that's behavior.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Yeah, that's that's not like, Man, I'm tired. Man, I
can't do another one of these. I'm just getting my money.
That is, I want to I want to be commended
by oppression, like becoming an oppressor in a different way
like that. To me, that's what made me pissed, Like
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Ice Ray and then we're doing black people doing content
around Ice Rays cracking jokes about hispanics.
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I'm like, what, that's our behavior. That's the best way
to say behavior.
Speaker 4 (47:51):
Game.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:53):
Behavior.
Speaker 3 (47:54):
Yeah, that's a good way to put it, all right.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
So the last one would be about Jalen Hurts, Philadelphia
Eagles superstar, incredible quarterback. Is good to see another black quarterback.
A few things about him in spart especially about getting
them money, is that, like it's widely known that, like,
after having a two hundred and fifty five million dollar contract,
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a man lives in a house for two k a month,
which is like love it, yes, double claps standing ovation.
And it was also rumored that he turned down an
either ten million or twelve million dollar investment for some
luxury homes in Philly because it was going to displace
(48:42):
a bunch of like low income families that he was like,
not all money is good money. Now there's an asterisk
next to this because the only source I've been able
to find was like social media was like Facebook and
a few the Internet barbershop, the Internet barbershop, and a
few black enterprise accounts.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
You know what I'm saying now, So I cannot verify
that this happened.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
I've been trying all morning to try to verify this,
but I've been hearing this story for a while. Uh,
if it's true, I'm like, we need more brothers like this.
You say what you said, right, if it's not true?
How come black people be falling from false information so easily.
Speaker 4 (49:30):
Because they be true?
Speaker 3 (49:31):
Because that's why we fall for conspiracies.
Speaker 4 (49:37):
Bro, sometimes it be true. We just can't. You just
can't fall for all of them though, Like that's the
that's the problem. Sometimes you can't. You will fall for
all of them. Like it's like, bro, you can't fall
for all the conspiracy.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
I feel like.
Speaker 1 (49:51):
So the thing is like I feel like it's like
people say that niggas don't read.
Speaker 3 (49:55):
Niggas read. Niggas read a lot.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
It's just I don't think niggas know how to cross reference.
Speaker 3 (50:04):
Like that's the issue.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Is like a nigga come out of jail and be like, yo,
I don't read all seventeen of these books, but without
ever like going okay, since you didn't have to write
argumentative essays in high school, you, since you didn't go
to college to be able to be like, well, let
me check this source, Let me find consenting voices. Let
me look to see who else is saying this. Is
this information verified? Where is this all they're from? What
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are they doing you know what I'm saying. I just
think like a lot of times that sort of like
media literacy. What I find is like a lot of
times was missing from our culture. So niggas are like, no,
I understand exactly what this book said, but I'll be
like my nigga, like who wrote it?
Speaker 3 (50:41):
Like who is this person? Like yo' saying like why.
Speaker 4 (50:44):
The source of it? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (50:46):
Where are you getting this from?
Speaker 4 (50:48):
Yeah? Where's their context behind their thoughts? Because some stuff
sounds just oh they wrote it, it sounds very scientific.
Butt's Oh, then you find out that this guy believed
that black people or monkeys, So it's like.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Yes, that we came from another Yeah, we came from
another planet. And then white people were just there are science, experience, experience.
Speaker 4 (51:09):
Maybe we might need to scrutinize.
Speaker 1 (51:11):
This nigga come out of jail and argue you with
numbers and physics about how the Earth is flat, because
all this nigga did in jail was read and it's
like I'd be I'll be exhausted because he's still like
gang ganging on you.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
No, gang listen, You're like, my nigga.
Speaker 1 (51:32):
You don't let that, you don't let that white school
tell you what information is.
Speaker 4 (51:37):
And see, that's why I was gonna say that, right
there is the reason why conspiracy we fall into it,
and it's because that the institutions that are supposed to
be benign are actually malignant. Yeah, they're constant programming us.
So I always say this, the ven diagram of country,
(51:59):
white people and hood niggas is not Yeah, it's the same.
It's just the ones that's.
Speaker 3 (52:08):
Racist the opposite.
Speaker 4 (52:13):
It's out. Everything else is the same because because we
all are dealing with some of the same exact issues,
and most of it is the programming from elites who
actually have the information, but they take it, it's stew
it in a way that's trustworthy. So then when that
information is finally comes to light, when you see the
(52:35):
full picture, you like, see, I knew y'all was lying.
I knew something was off about that. You know what
I'm saying. Now, Now we out here and they're saying
the comment coming in November is that's about to take
over everything, NBA, young boy, Because that's the thing I
love about black people, bro. I don't care if it's
(52:56):
the end of the world, bro, Like, we're all gonna crack.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
A joke we're gonna crack a joke.
Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:59):
I saw a video of this old spaceship. They took
a clip from Independence Day and they had audio of
like rid wave in the background. We're the speakers going
crazy laugh. It was like this one. It's like this,
what the alien is gonna be with us?
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Oh Lord, We're gonna be like, oh ship.
Speaker 4 (53:29):
Oh the aliens are are seven foot tall and dark skinned.
So now all the black women is like, oh work,
you've been looking for you content at the concept of
just that. I'm like, you know what, We're gonna laugh, laugh,
We're gonna laugh. Conspiracy theory, that's what we're gonna don't
(53:49):
believe one, that's what it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Oh man, man, Derek, thank you for your time.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
Please plug whatever you need to plug right now and
tell everybody what's going on with you.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
I'm dropping a new album September nineteenth called Vigilante. Definitely
go pre saved. The link is in the bio, but
y'all already knew that that's the only place they let
us put links anyway, And uh yeah, that's it. That's
all I got got new music. We I mastered that
prop album, so if it sounds bad.
Speaker 1 (54:21):
I'm sorry, no, but yo, no, I can't thank you enough.
Probably all of the Terrorform stuff Derek mixed and mastered.
You know this new project, Derek uh mastered it. Man
so him and Matt you know Matt how Souski killing
the beat. Saucy Who's made all the music on this
episode is it's a diffredible dude, yeah man so yeah,
(54:43):
So thank you for your time. You know you stepped
away from the grill. You're gonna get back on that grill.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
I wish I was.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
There because listen, Derek, Derek turned into your uncle, your
uncle pleats man.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
He got leather sandals.
Speaker 4 (54:55):
When you get on that grill, boyd. All right, y'all uslug.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
All right, now, don't you hit stop on this pod.
You better listen to these credits. I need you to
finish this thing so I can get the download numbers. Okay,
(55:23):
so don't stop it yet, but listen. This was recorded
in East Lost Boyle Heights by your boy Propaganda. Tap
in with me at prop hip hop dot com. If
you're in the Coldbrew coffee we got Terraform Coldbrew. You
can go there dot com and use promo code hood
get twenty percent off, Get yourself some coffee. This was mixed, edited,
(55:46):
and mastered by your boy Matt Alsowski Killing the beast softly.
Check out his website Mattosofski dot com.
Speaker 3 (55:53):
I'm a spell it for you because I know m
A T.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
T O s O W s Ki dot com Matthawsowski
dot com. He got more music and stuff like that
on there, so gonna check out. The heat Politics is
a member of cool Zone Media, executive produced by Sophie Lichterman,
part of the iHeartMedia podcast network. Your theme music and
(56:18):
scoring is also by the one and nobly Mattawsowski. Still
killing the beat softly, So listen, don't let nobody lie
to you. If you understand urban living, you understand politics.
These people is not smarter than you. We'll see y'all
next week.
Host
Prop
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