September 17, 2025 • 38 mins
Our world is still reeling from the violence of last week, and processing that can be very complicated. What do you do when a monster of a man dies?
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Calls media.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Okay, so here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
The following podcast you were about to listen to was
recorded while there was a good amount of information that
has not been revealed or that we don't actually know.
This podcast you about to hear, and the attempt to
explain a position or an emotional state is not, which
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I'm sure is obvious to you necessarily. Where I stand,
I'm not giving us any particular advice. I think it's
grossly immature to police someone's emotions, especially around something as
visceral as a public execution. However, the said person who
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got publicly executed said we should bring back public executions,
which therein lies the issue. So this is not about
telling you how to feel about the death of a
deeply racist man.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
That's not about that.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's also not about humanizing a person who went out
of his way to dehumanize people like me and my
queer and trans brothers and sisters.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
This ain't about that.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm also not going to run up any receipts about
this man, because his receipts are so self evident.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
There are so many things.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Somebody, somebody with that many greatest hits of horrible things
to say you don't need to lie about them.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So it's not so.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Much i'm telling you you feeling bad for not feeling
no remorse. I'm also not telling you that if you
feel remorse, that you need to turn in your black cart.
That's not what I'm trying to say right now. The
following podcast is about the nuance, is about what about both.
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So I'm speaking to the people that might feel conflicted.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I'm speaking to.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
People who may feel that they had some sort of
warm feelings towards Charlie Kirk, which I'm pretty sure are
not my core audience, because, my lord, I just I
don't see any redeemable sentences that have come out this
man's mouth. This is about a visceral human emotion and
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about empathy, an empathy that this man apparently was against.
So that's what we're about to experience. And since we've
been recorded this, and I feel like only other people
who experience being in a marginal group understand this. A
sense of relief that the little boy that they found
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that assassinated this man was lily white, like I mean,
was a.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Just man as white.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I'm talking raisins in potato salad, white hight that shot
that boy Mormon white like I was like, that's a
white boy, you know. So the things that I'm going
to talk about in the complications and feeling conflicted about
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this might be a person that you might relate to
and my love, but also you have to reckon with
the fact that that man is deeply wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That's what you're about to experience. You feel me.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's just about the complications of emotions. And what I'm
trying to say is there's not a one to one,
but just I understand being conflicted. But here's my encouragement.
You gotta deal with it. My baby ain't never heard nobody. Actually, yeah, yeah,
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my baby ain't never heard nobody is a colloquial distilling
down of the quote from like Grandma and them at
the Little Gangster's funeral. It's the cry of a mother
who has, you know, lost their baby to the streets.
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The quote I'm pulling from specifically is from the I
mean it's really old, like I was a child during
like a really young child. We're all in the same gang,
don't you know.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We got to putts to get that.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
There was a time in the in the eighties late
eighties when hip hop decided that crack was stupid and
that people needed to not do that, and a song
called self Destruction where it's just like the idea that like, how.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Could you old school.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Rappers were, you know, understanding what like you know, cocaine
and crack was doing in our streets and was trying
to like teach the younglings to not do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
And obviously that is not.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
The stance hip hopposite now, but there's always has been
a tone of that within hip hop music. But it's
a reflection of the complication of what it's like to.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Grow up in some of are not so are not
so safe environments.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And I really think it is moments like this that, man,
it is hard to say but that the experiences of
our inner cities separate from I'm saying, I'm trying to
build a very specific metaphor here or comparison can help
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process for America. Right now, My baby ain't never heard nobody.
This is the inner city counseling session for dealing with
the amount of death we saw.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Last week politics, y'all.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So last week was eventful.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
A another school shooting, some Iberian ae babies in Colorado
was happening, and while that was happening, there was another
breaking news of another school shooting. Only this school shooting
was the shooting of right wing influencer activists Charlie Kirk.
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Our culture is conflicted, to say the least, and there
are a lot of I don't know. I'm recording this
in the past for you, so I don't know what
has happened since I know that the things could have
possibly gotten far worse in terms of what's going on
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in our zygeisten in our communities. As of this point,
I don't I have no awareness of who might have
been the perpetrator. I expressed on Friday my fears that
it might have been. If it is somebody black, or
Muslim or trans that means that there's somewhat of an
or an immigrant, or anyone that's not a white man,
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there will be a target on said group's head. That's
what I'm concerned about, because that's kind of how it
always goes. Because of the shooter was just a white
boyd he was either liberal or deranged. You know, there
was a trove of Trump memorabilia and passion towards the
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right in the possession of the young man that tried
to assassinate Donald Trump, And then we notice, how don't
nobody talk about that no more? Because sometimes it'd be
one of your own, you know. But he's dead now,
so it doesn't matter. I'm not I'm saying that to
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be very sarcastic here, but I do think that there
is a couple things we can take away from this.
This episode is more about raw motions. This episode ain't
about policies, per se. It's a political show, but you know,
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raw motions sometimes turn into political violence.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
My brother got fired from MSNBC for saying, you know,
hateful thoughts create hateful speech, would create a hateful actions,
you know, which some would feel is you know, victim blaming.
But I want to step back here and talk about
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the metaphor. First, I can personally attest in my own
life of leaning over the casket of my own loved ones,
my own cousins, one of my uncles per se.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, not per se. He's absolutely one of my uncles.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But the per se is like, we actually didn't get
to see the funeral he was buried. We had a
small service with me and my dad and with a
couple family.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Members, but my uncle was.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I mean, he was just not a stand up guy.
It just it is what it is. I loved him,
He's blood, but he.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Wasn't a stand up guy.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I think living in sort of an era where the
type of like sort of street level violence happens. Now
as I say this, I'm saying this as somebody who
people have experienced far worse than me. People have gone
through more than I have, you know, and a lot
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of times, you know, when we do stuff like this,
like you don't mean this to disrespect the legacy of
people actually outside, people who actually experience this gang violence.
I'm talking about being closely related to it. And this
is our experience where Mom, Grandma, you're leaning over the
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casket with a knowledge that you deeply love this person.
When you deeply love a person, there's this inner conflict
of feeling like there is still the consequences of their actions.
No one ever truly asked to be shot unless they
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ask to be shot, No one ever does that.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
This is not what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
But what I am saying is there are things that
we used to tell little young shooters, right, little y ens,
if you will, like, hey man, you know you you
you talk real tough for somebody that that ain't bulletproof.
You know, you keep talking that that gang. It's all
fun and games when you when you, you know, taking
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over a one of the corners, doing your little burnout sessions.
You know what I'm saying, like flying your flag? You
feel me like, you know, you stay down right, Like
somebody ask you where you're from, you you tell them
where you're from. You know what I'm saying, like, this
is what you signed up for. You signed up for
a very particular life that always has consequences.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So when we say, hey, litt hummy, like.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Someone's gonna take you serious, right, someone You're gonna talk
like that, You're gonna be waving that flag, somebody's gonna
gonna test your metal. We say that out of not
not because you want your loved one to shut up,
per se. It's out of an act of mercy. It's
a desire to say the recklessness of your actions. You
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are old enough to make your own decisions. Sometimes they
not odd enough to make your decisions, but you have
signed up to join into something where someone is going
to take you at your word, and oftentimes that means
you're going to lose your life. And in our experience,
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I'm welling up because I'm thinking about my own family.
You have to hold both of those things to be true.
You don't believe anyone deserves to die. A victim is
still a victim. The bullet that went through for me
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went through my family member's body on one of the scenarios.
Another scenario is just choosing the life that this family
member chose, although he later on got out of it,
had wrecked his biology so bad that the level of stress,
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the choices he's made, the fear he lived under even
after he was out that life. You know, the bruised relationships,
you know, the complicated relationships he's had with his own children.
You know, my who are like my second cousins, who
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they at the end of the day, that's they daddy.
You know what I'm saying. The choices he's made in
and out of jail, whatever the case the case may be,
this person is still my cousin. I am deeply still
feeling the rawness of this is years ago. I'm still
feeling the rawness of that loss, you know, and looking
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at my auntie and my particular auntie you know who
is his mother, who, like I mean to this day,
has issues with her sisters, you know over this particular cousin,
that feeling of you wanting to protect their legacy because
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while also knowing you understand what I'm saying that Like,
I don't know these people personally, but I know that
my cousin family members have ruined the lives of many people.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I know this for a fact.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Because of the way that he lived his life. Now
why he lived his life that way is a totally
different conversation. That's not the metaphor I'm looking for. He
might have been a true he might have actually believed
that this was the best choice for his family given
the circumstances that he grew up in. That might have
been his position. I can't speak to that, and that's
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not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the repast.
I'm talking about the funeral. I'm talking about us mourning
the loss of our level. It'd be so twisted in
the hood. Sometimes, man, it'd be like it'd be dudes
in the back know exactly who killed this person? You
know what I'm saying, you know? Or sometimes it'd be
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as crazy as like, look, sometimes it's the streets, like
niggas die every day, and then thinking sometimes dudes be
in the block, in the in the in the funeral,
be the shooter, and that person is there just to
make sure.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That person really dead, because they're.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Double checking because that person in that grave may have
killed Dahomie. It's complicated, but the instinct of the family
is to say, my baby ain't never heard nobody but granny,
yes he has.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
What is not being said is therefore he should have died.
That's not what's being said. What is being said is
you have to live with both. You have to live
with the reality that while I'm mourning the loss of
my family member, I am not celebrating his life. I
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have very fond memories of the three cousins that I'm
thinking of. I have very fond memories of them, of
them being very loving to me.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
What I'm scary, I ain't.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Gonna hold you like he just yeah, just that type
of voice, and like, you know, just you know, some
people like I'm actually like that too. Some people just loud,
Like you know, I feel like, in relation to my family,
I'm not that loud, but some people just their room,
their voice just pierces the sound in the room. So
he was that, you know what I'm saying of one
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of these, I mean, like these people like they why
love you know, hip hop. I remember, like, you know,
sitting on a porch with him while they was talking
today homies and just kind of being like a little
nervous because I knew that, like because I'm a lot
younger than my cousins, but like I knew that, like
the some of the dudes he was talking to outside
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on the porch while I was just you know, playing
my littlehigh wheels. It was like some some scary dudes,
you know. But one particular cousin just had like just
his smile, like he just had like the greatest, greatest smile.
Him and my sister were very close. They like, uh
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because of like like I said, like I mean, there's
a lot of like personal stuff, but like because but
I'm getting where because my since my family since like
I said, like I'm at the end at the end
of the tail end of the cousins, Like there's only
there's three at the end that like I am in
the group age group of and then there's like a
middle group that are like five to six years older
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than me, and then there's another group that like ten
years older than you know what I'm saying. So my
parents kind of had me kind of late. Uh, but
my sister was in that middle group. So she was
the baby for all of my oldest cousins and the
ones that were in that the upper edges of that
of that oldest cousin group, like a handful of them.
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Like God in the life, there's a there's another cousin
who completely reformed his life, who.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Went away.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Our family says he was on vacation for a while.
When I went on vacation, you know what I'm saying,
we saw when he was locked up. Who is a
one of the most gentle, loving, sweet kind men that
I like, I actually admire. You know, I actually don't
know the goon version of him. I don't know that version.
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You know again, I'm so much younger than him, but
I don't know that version. Version I know is just
this is like, is my big cousin. He's just so gentle,
you know what I mean, Like so kind. He you know,
he did what he had to do. He got out,
he moved away, started a new life, He raised his families,
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working man, you know what I'm saying, Like like he
did what he had to do. But even he knows
there was, like you know, consequences for his choices.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
But he's what you hope.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
He is what you hope. He made his choices, he
served his time. Yeah he's gonna have to live with that,
but he's truly a different man.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
That's what you hope.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You feel me so, but when you're looking, but when
you at the repast is a very black phrase. Eating
your fried chicken because for some reason that's what we
always do. You order and it's not even like you
ain't make it at home, like you order.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
That fried chicken.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You feel me like I feel like I could see
a plate. Somebody took a picture of a plate of food,
and it's also food.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I could tell you if it's if it's black stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I can tell you if it's Christmas, Thanksgiving or repass
because I don't know, just the plate looks different right anyway,
These sort of conflictions are things that if you grew
up like.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
We grew up, that we live with, and we have
been living with.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
A reality that we've had to face is that sometimes
dangerous people are deeply loved by somebody else and are
both victims and perpetrators.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
This is a reality.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Now we could fast forward this to the extreme and
just say, hey, look if you was alive when Hitler
got shot. You know, some of y'all apparently would be
trying to like say, I didn't like his ideas, but
you know, a man didn't need to die. We're not
talking about Hitler. Charlie Kirk can't hit Okay, Charlie Kirk
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is an influencer. Like let's influencer, you know what I'm saying.
Like he had me actual political power, he had sway
you feel me so like, but he wasn't. He ain't
the president, you know. So I do not want to
add hyperbole to this. I also don't want to sort
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of readjudicate.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
His moves, you know, his choices to really.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Rage bad and you know, in my opinion, borrow a
lot of Christian language to say very Unchristian things. And
I mean, like I said on Friday, look, Pat Robinson,
James Dobson, there's a lot of men who say they
Christians who have done irreputable harm to our world. I
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just I don't need to readjudicate that, but I do
want to say there are very relatable feelings that can
happen that if you if I could metaphorically say we
had an inner city board of elders that looked over
the entirety of the country, we would be able to
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share these experiences with you. I first understand the rest
and piss because of the suffering that this man's choices
has made, but not so much the choices that he's made,
but also the followers for which were convinced that empathy
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was weakness. But now you need empathy, you know. So
now we're the monsters, you know what I'm saying, The
people that are in the rest and piss thing that
are just like, look, I got no pasis for races,
no whatsoever. This man was making. This man was making
gen x maga, you know, miss me.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Altogether. There's that feeling.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
There's also the other feeling of people that like, look, man,
he was doing what he believed to be correct.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
He had a.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Mandate from God to defend the unborn and to move
our country back from you know, the moral destruction and
decay that the right wing or the conservative world believes
were in.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
He was one of the young soldiers.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
There's that, okay, But I think I'm more talking to
those that feel conflicted and have never had to feel
this type of confliction to where there's a part of
your soul that knows that it's something wrong with us
that this keeps happening in our nation. That's mourning the
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realities that gun violence is so normal that we didn't
even have time to process the babies that is so
used to experiencing rage bait, you know, provocateers that there's
you can have a twelve million dollar industry from yelling
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at stage Asian slurs. I could say, nigga, you know
what I'm saying, but I'm not finna say that the
one for the Asians to see one, you know what
I'm saying, Like there's just too many receipts, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
And those who again.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Who are people of faith that are like, well, he
but he was a believer and he was fighting for
you know, there are religious freedom.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You are going to have to square the.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Blatant racism and the stance that empathy was not is
a weakness? Like is that a modern term that that's
not a attribute of Christ. You're gonna have to square
that and then be empathetic. You feel me, Like, that's
for us who exist in the nuance, who are mourning
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the reality that like, listen, this is fascism.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
We're here.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
This is what I've been trying to This is what
I mean, gestures wildly to all the cool zoned.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
This is it. This is it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
For those of us who love history and our people
of color, we remember our assassinations of our leaders. We
remember Malcolm X, we remember Martin Luther King. We also
remember what they stood for. It's quite different for the
dignity of do you understand what I'm saying? So, but
we also know Martin Luther King was a conflicted individual
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who coped with the ladies. We have to live with that,
you know, but who desire to live in a world
where the ideas that Charlie Kirk and his movement were
pushing forward are not accepted.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That we don't think that.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
If you see a black pilot, you just wonder if
they're qualified. The questioning Michelle Obama, who didn't hold office
no lesson you know, Justice Kanji Brown, that she only
got there because affirmative action, which for him means she
wasn't qualified. Because you know, I don't need to adjudicate
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the things. But what I'm saying is, and like you
we have been so mentioned he was a father and
a husband. Don't need to card out the obvious rebuttals
of that, you know, don't need to do that. That's
not what I'm talking about. Y'all know the rebuttals of that,
you know. But what I am talking about is the
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reality that like we have been living in this dissonance
for a very long time, when a very dangerous man
whom you might love deeply has their life taken a
person for which you you might agree wholeheartedly with, and
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don't understand why somebody else doesn't. And even when that
other person shows you the receipts you like Grandma at
the funeral, my baby ain't never hurt nobody. And I
want you to I want you to say, or I
want you to understand that. Again, I don't believe anybody,
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especially in this in there, No one should have to
have seen that. I'm still even thinking about them college students,
the people there, that they're gonna have to live with
that site. That was gruesome, Yo, gruesome, And it sucks
because these are the same kids. Oh they've been going
they school's being shot up, their whole life.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I just.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I'm saying all this to say, even if this is
a fuck around and find out situation, my heart breaks
for you because I actually don't want you to find
out like this. I would have preferred, metaphorically speaking, that
mister Kirk follows the trajectory metaphorically of my cousin who
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realizes that the damaging power of his words and makes
a change. I would rather see that. I would rather
see a country that does not rage bait for content,
but really does dialogue with people. And if you are
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having a dialogue that you would have, they would be
you know, good spirited discussions of good faith, right, I
mean where you don't move the goalposts, where you do
accept like, hey, maybe that was too far. Maybe I'm
you know, skewing these facts. You feel me not just
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trying to dunk on each other.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
We don't, don't.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I don't want to live in a world like that.
I don't want to live in a world or Charlie
Kirk's is are pushed forward. But I also don't want
to live in a world where you're shot in public.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I don't want to live in a world like that.
It's sad.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I also don't want to live in a world where
our president chooses which one of these people he gonna
mourn because he showed ain't fly no flags. Have for
the Minnesota senators, you know the Department of Health and
Human Services in Atlanta, somebody unloaded five hundred rounds over there.
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You hear about that story, I know, or the idea
of saying that if anybody says anything wrong about him
that happens to be an immigrant, you might lose your visa.
That's that's that's fascist. Don't nobody talk about my baby.
I get it, though, is what I'm trying to say.
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I get the instinct I want to no, no, no, no,
y'all keep my baby's name out your mouth. I understand that.
Here's the thing about your baby, though, So I guess
what I'm trying to say is we have all had
to learn how to hold two conflicting ideas in the
same place. This is what it means to be a
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person of color in America. You hold very opposite things
in the same place at the same time. If you
don't want to lose your humanity, you just have to
do that. And doing that in this scenario is saying,
I mean personally saying you can miss me with the
he was a Christian thing. I mean, like I said,
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I cite to you, James Dobson.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
You know the.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Hurt, the deep damage that that man's teaching has done.
Also coupled with the way for which he may have
helped a lot of people. I understand that can't can't
can't can't, can't broad brush it. Just like I said,
this cousin, Some of these cousins I'm looking over over
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I have very fond memories of.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
But I also know he heard a lot of people.
He really did. I don't mean I don't love him.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Nobody's quoting Samuel L. Jackson here, at least I'm not
quoting Samuel. Lot of people quoting Samuel. Yes, they deserve
to die, and I hope they burning hell. But what
I'm not gonna do is be like Samuel L. Jackson
holding Leonardo DiCaprio in Django. That's what I'm not gonna do. Okay,
And I think maybe you're the one that's a little
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insensitive if you can't understand why the elective group of trans, queer, black, Latino,
Asian and everybody else that ain't a middle class white
man but don't have him feelings.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So while I'm not gonna hold that man like Samuel L.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Jackson did, I'm also not gonna go piss on his
grave because that's not who I am. Remember the I
talked about when we talked about the birthright citizenship thing,
when we said that the Constitution is not about who
you are, it's about who I am. For me, that's
the G Code. Now, the G code is short for
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Gangster code, and I am not a gangster. But I
understand the code and I do live by very a
code for myself and for me that's against the code.
My code of conduct is around understanding and peace building.
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But yeah, I don't think because you did, I'm gonna
speak highly of you. That don't absolve you, you feel me.
But just because I don't speak highly of you don't
mean I think you deserve to die. It's two conflicting
ideas that are actually in pretty good harmony. More and
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with those who mourn and you know, celebrate, with those
who celebrate. I leave you with this For my believers.
When I say believers, I mean like the few Christians
that still rock with me. You know, the beatitudes, Jesus says,
Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.
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He was not a merciful man. He just wasn't, dude.
It says, maybe that's why he's not being shown mercy. Now,
I don't know, I might be mangling that verse right,
but this year episode is me attempting to be merciful.
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My baby ain't never hurt nobody. Yes he did, and
I'm still sorry for your loss. You want to go
pick you up something to drink cold politics, y'all? All right, now,
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you understand politics.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
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next week.
Calls media.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Okay, so here's the thing.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
The following podcast you were about to listen to was
recorded while there was a good amount of information that
has not been revealed or that we don't actually know.
This podcast you about to hear, and the attempt to
explain a position or an emotional state is not, which
(00:32):
I'm sure is obvious to you necessarily. Where I stand,
I'm not giving us any particular advice. I think it's
grossly immature to police someone's emotions, especially around something as
visceral as a public execution. However, the said person who
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got publicly executed said we should bring back public executions,
which therein lies the issue. So this is not about
telling you how to feel about the death of a
deeply racist man.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
That's not about that.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's also not about humanizing a person who went out
of his way to dehumanize people like me and my
queer and trans brothers and sisters.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
This ain't about that.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
I'm also not going to run up any receipts about
this man, because his receipts are so self evident.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
There are so many things.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Somebody, somebody with that many greatest hits of horrible things
to say you don't need to lie about them.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
So it's not so.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Much i'm telling you you feeling bad for not feeling
no remorse. I'm also not telling you that if you
feel remorse, that you need to turn in your black cart.
That's not what I'm trying to say right now. The
following podcast is about the nuance, is about what about both.
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So I'm speaking to the people that might feel conflicted.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
I'm speaking to.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
People who may feel that they had some sort of
warm feelings towards Charlie Kirk, which I'm pretty sure are
not my core audience, because, my lord, I just I
don't see any redeemable sentences that have come out this
man's mouth. This is about a visceral human emotion and
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about empathy, an empathy that this man apparently was against.
So that's what we're about to experience. And since we've
been recorded this, and I feel like only other people
who experience being in a marginal group understand this. A
sense of relief that the little boy that they found
(03:07):
that assassinated this man was lily white, like I mean,
was a.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Just man as white.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
I'm talking raisins in potato salad, white hight that shot
that boy Mormon white like I was like, that's a
white boy, you know. So the things that I'm going
to talk about in the complications and feeling conflicted about
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this might be a person that you might relate to
and my love, but also you have to reckon with
the fact that that man is deeply wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
That's what you're about to experience. You feel me.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
It's just about the complications of emotions. And what I'm
trying to say is there's not a one to one,
but just I understand being conflicted. But here's my encouragement.
You gotta deal with it. My baby ain't never heard nobody. Actually, yeah, yeah,
(04:33):
my baby ain't never heard nobody is a colloquial distilling
down of the quote from like Grandma and them at
the Little Gangster's funeral. It's the cry of a mother
who has, you know, lost their baby to the streets.
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The quote I'm pulling from specifically is from the I
mean it's really old, like I was a child during
like a really young child. We're all in the same gang,
don't you know.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We got to putts to get that.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
There was a time in the in the eighties late
eighties when hip hop decided that crack was stupid and
that people needed to not do that, and a song
called self Destruction where it's just like the idea that like, how.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Could you old school.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Rappers were, you know, understanding what like you know, cocaine
and crack was doing in our streets and was trying
to like teach the younglings to not do it, you know.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
And obviously that is not.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
The stance hip hopposite now, but there's always has been
a tone of that within hip hop music. But it's
a reflection of the complication of what it's like to.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Grow up in some of are not so are not
so safe environments.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
And I really think it is moments like this that, man,
it is hard to say but that the experiences of
our inner cities separate from I'm saying, I'm trying to
build a very specific metaphor here or comparison can help
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process for America. Right now, My baby ain't never heard nobody.
This is the inner city counseling session for dealing with
the amount of death we saw.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Last week politics, y'all.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
So last week was eventful.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
A another school shooting, some Iberian ae babies in Colorado
was happening, and while that was happening, there was another
breaking news of another school shooting. Only this school shooting
was the shooting of right wing influencer activists Charlie Kirk.
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Our culture is conflicted, to say the least, and there
are a lot of I don't know. I'm recording this
in the past for you, so I don't know what
has happened since I know that the things could have
possibly gotten far worse in terms of what's going on
(08:04):
in our zygeisten in our communities. As of this point,
I don't I have no awareness of who might have
been the perpetrator. I expressed on Friday my fears that
it might have been. If it is somebody black, or
Muslim or trans that means that there's somewhat of an
or an immigrant, or anyone that's not a white man,
(08:28):
there will be a target on said group's head. That's
what I'm concerned about, because that's kind of how it
always goes. Because of the shooter was just a white
boyd he was either liberal or deranged. You know, there
was a trove of Trump memorabilia and passion towards the
(08:52):
right in the possession of the young man that tried
to assassinate Donald Trump, And then we notice, how don't
nobody talk about that no more? Because sometimes it'd be
one of your own, you know. But he's dead now,
so it doesn't matter. I'm not I'm saying that to
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be very sarcastic here, but I do think that there
is a couple things we can take away from this.
This episode is more about raw motions. This episode ain't
about policies, per se. It's a political show, but you know,
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raw motions sometimes turn into political violence.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
My brother got fired from MSNBC for saying, you know,
hateful thoughts create hateful speech, would create a hateful actions,
you know, which some would feel is you know, victim blaming.
But I want to step back here and talk about
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the metaphor. First, I can personally attest in my own
life of leaning over the casket of my own loved ones,
my own cousins, one of my uncles per se.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, not per se. He's absolutely one of my uncles.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
But the per se is like, we actually didn't get
to see the funeral he was buried. We had a
small service with me and my dad and with a
couple family.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Members, but my uncle was.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I mean, he was just not a stand up guy.
It just it is what it is. I loved him,
He's blood, but he.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Wasn't a stand up guy.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
I think living in sort of an era where the
type of like sort of street level violence happens. Now
as I say this, I'm saying this as somebody who
people have experienced far worse than me. People have gone
through more than I have, you know, and a lot
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of times, you know, when we do stuff like this,
like you don't mean this to disrespect the legacy of
people actually outside, people who actually experience this gang violence.
I'm talking about being closely related to it. And this
is our experience where Mom, Grandma, you're leaning over the
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casket with a knowledge that you deeply love this person.
When you deeply love a person, there's this inner conflict
of feeling like there is still the consequences of their actions.
No one ever truly asked to be shot unless they
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ask to be shot, No one ever does that.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
This is not what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
But what I am saying is there are things that
we used to tell little young shooters, right, little y ens,
if you will, like, hey man, you know you you
you talk real tough for somebody that that ain't bulletproof.
You know, you keep talking that that gang. It's all
fun and games when you when you, you know, taking
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over a one of the corners, doing your little burnout sessions.
You know what I'm saying, like flying your flag? You
feel me like, you know, you stay down right, Like
somebody ask you where you're from, you you tell them
where you're from. You know what I'm saying, like, this
is what you signed up for. You signed up for
a very particular life that always has consequences.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
So when we say, hey, litt hummy, like.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Someone's gonna take you serious, right, someone You're gonna talk
like that, You're gonna be waving that flag, somebody's gonna
gonna test your metal. We say that out of not
not because you want your loved one to shut up,
per se. It's out of an act of mercy. It's
a desire to say the recklessness of your actions. You
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are old enough to make your own decisions. Sometimes they
not odd enough to make your decisions, but you have
signed up to join into something where someone is going
to take you at your word, and oftentimes that means
you're going to lose your life. And in our experience,
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I'm welling up because I'm thinking about my own family.
You have to hold both of those things to be true.
You don't believe anyone deserves to die. A victim is
still a victim. The bullet that went through for me
(13:54):
went through my family member's body on one of the scenarios.
Another scenario is just choosing the life that this family
member chose, although he later on got out of it,
had wrecked his biology so bad that the level of stress,
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the choices he's made, the fear he lived under even
after he was out that life. You know, the bruised relationships,
you know, the complicated relationships he's had with his own children.
You know, my who are like my second cousins, who
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they at the end of the day, that's they daddy.
You know what I'm saying. The choices he's made in
and out of jail, whatever the case the case may be,
this person is still my cousin. I am deeply still
feeling the rawness of this is years ago. I'm still
feeling the rawness of that loss, you know, and looking
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at my auntie and my particular auntie you know who
is his mother, who, like I mean to this day,
has issues with her sisters, you know over this particular cousin,
that feeling of you wanting to protect their legacy because
(15:24):
while also knowing you understand what I'm saying that Like,
I don't know these people personally, but I know that
my cousin family members have ruined the lives of many people.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I know this for a fact.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Because of the way that he lived his life. Now
why he lived his life that way is a totally
different conversation. That's not the metaphor I'm looking for. He
might have been a true he might have actually believed
that this was the best choice for his family given
the circumstances that he grew up in. That might have
been his position. I can't speak to that, and that's
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not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the repast.
I'm talking about the funeral. I'm talking about us mourning
the loss of our level. It'd be so twisted in
the hood. Sometimes, man, it'd be like it'd be dudes
in the back know exactly who killed this person? You
know what I'm saying, you know? Or sometimes it'd be
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as crazy as like, look, sometimes it's the streets, like
niggas die every day, and then thinking sometimes dudes be
in the block, in the in the in the funeral,
be the shooter, and that person is there just to
make sure.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That person really dead, because they're.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Double checking because that person in that grave may have
killed Dahomie. It's complicated, but the instinct of the family
is to say, my baby ain't never heard nobody but granny,
yes he has.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
What is not being said is therefore he should have died.
That's not what's being said. What is being said is
you have to live with both. You have to live
with the reality that while I'm mourning the loss of
my family member, I am not celebrating his life. I
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have very fond memories of the three cousins that I'm
thinking of. I have very fond memories of them, of
them being very loving to me.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
What I'm scary, I ain't.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Gonna hold you like he just yeah, just that type
of voice, and like, you know, just you know, some
people like I'm actually like that too. Some people just loud,
Like you know, I feel like, in relation to my family,
I'm not that loud, but some people just their room,
their voice just pierces the sound in the room. So
he was that, you know what I'm saying of one
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of these, I mean, like these people like they why
love you know, hip hop. I remember, like, you know,
sitting on a porch with him while they was talking
today homies and just kind of being like a little
nervous because I knew that, like because I'm a lot
younger than my cousins, but like I knew that, like
the some of the dudes he was talking to outside
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on the porch while I was just you know, playing
my littlehigh wheels. It was like some some scary dudes,
you know. But one particular cousin just had like just
his smile, like he just had like the greatest, greatest smile.
Him and my sister were very close. They like, uh
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because of like like I said, like I mean, there's
a lot of like personal stuff, but like because but
I'm getting where because my since my family since like
I said, like I'm at the end at the end
of the tail end of the cousins, Like there's only
there's three at the end that like I am in
the group age group of and then there's like a
middle group that are like five to six years older
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than me, and then there's another group that like ten
years older than you know what I'm saying. So my
parents kind of had me kind of late. Uh, but
my sister was in that middle group. So she was
the baby for all of my oldest cousins and the
ones that were in that the upper edges of that
of that oldest cousin group, like a handful of them.
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Like God in the life, there's a there's another cousin
who completely reformed his life, who.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Went away.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Our family says he was on vacation for a while.
When I went on vacation, you know what I'm saying,
we saw when he was locked up. Who is a
one of the most gentle, loving, sweet kind men that
I like, I actually admire. You know, I actually don't
know the goon version of him. I don't know that version.
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You know again, I'm so much younger than him, but
I don't know that version. Version I know is just
this is like, is my big cousin. He's just so gentle,
you know what I mean, Like so kind. He you know,
he did what he had to do. He got out,
he moved away, started a new life, He raised his families,
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working man, you know what I'm saying, Like like he
did what he had to do. But even he knows
there was, like you know, consequences for his choices.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
But he's what you hope.
Speaker 3 (20:49):
He is what you hope. He made his choices, he
served his time. Yeah he's gonna have to live with that,
but he's truly a different man.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
That's what you hope.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
You feel me so, but when you're looking, but when
you at the repast is a very black phrase. Eating
your fried chicken because for some reason that's what we
always do. You order and it's not even like you
ain't make it at home, like you order.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
That fried chicken.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
You feel me like I feel like I could see
a plate. Somebody took a picture of a plate of food,
and it's also food.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I could tell you if it's if it's black stuff.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I can tell you if it's Christmas, Thanksgiving or repass
because I don't know, just the plate looks different right anyway,
These sort of conflictions are things that if you grew
up like.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
We grew up, that we live with, and we have
been living with.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
A reality that we've had to face is that sometimes
dangerous people are deeply loved by somebody else and are
both victims and perpetrators.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
This is a reality.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Now we could fast forward this to the extreme and
just say, hey, look if you was alive when Hitler
got shot. You know, some of y'all apparently would be
trying to like say, I didn't like his ideas, but
you know, a man didn't need to die. We're not
talking about Hitler. Charlie Kirk can't hit Okay, Charlie Kirk
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is an influencer. Like let's influencer, you know what I'm saying.
Like he had me actual political power, he had sway
you feel me so like, but he wasn't. He ain't
the president, you know. So I do not want to
add hyperbole to this. I also don't want to sort
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of readjudicate.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
His moves, you know, his choices to really.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Rage bad and you know, in my opinion, borrow a
lot of Christian language to say very Unchristian things. And
I mean, like I said on Friday, look, Pat Robinson,
James Dobson, there's a lot of men who say they
Christians who have done irreputable harm to our world. I
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just I don't need to readjudicate that, but I do
want to say there are very relatable feelings that can
happen that if you if I could metaphorically say we
had an inner city board of elders that looked over
the entirety of the country, we would be able to
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share these experiences with you. I first understand the rest
and piss because of the suffering that this man's choices
has made, but not so much the choices that he's made,
but also the followers for which were convinced that empathy
(24:34):
was weakness. But now you need empathy, you know. So
now we're the monsters, you know what I'm saying, The
people that are in the rest and piss thing that
are just like, look, I got no pasis for races,
no whatsoever. This man was making. This man was making
gen x maga, you know, miss me.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Altogether. There's that feeling.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
There's also the other feeling of people that like, look, man,
he was doing what he believed to be correct.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
He had a.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Mandate from God to defend the unborn and to move
our country back from you know, the moral destruction and
decay that the right wing or the conservative world believes
were in.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
He was one of the young soldiers.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
There's that, okay, But I think I'm more talking to
those that feel conflicted and have never had to feel
this type of confliction to where there's a part of
your soul that knows that it's something wrong with us
that this keeps happening in our nation. That's mourning the
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realities that gun violence is so normal that we didn't
even have time to process the babies that is so
used to experiencing rage bait, you know, provocateers that there's
you can have a twelve million dollar industry from yelling
(26:06):
at stage Asian slurs. I could say, nigga, you know
what I'm saying, but I'm not finna say that the
one for the Asians to see one, you know what
I'm saying, Like there's just too many receipts, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
And those who again.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Who are people of faith that are like, well, he
but he was a believer and he was fighting for
you know, there are religious freedom.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
You are going to have to square the.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Blatant racism and the stance that empathy was not is
a weakness? Like is that a modern term that that's
not a attribute of Christ. You're gonna have to square
that and then be empathetic. You feel me, Like, that's
for us who exist in the nuance, who are mourning
(26:59):
the reality that like, listen, this is fascism.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
We're here.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
This is what I've been trying to This is what
I mean, gestures wildly to all the cool zoned.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
This is it. This is it. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
For those of us who love history and our people
of color, we remember our assassinations of our leaders. We
remember Malcolm X, we remember Martin Luther King. We also
remember what they stood for. It's quite different for the
dignity of do you understand what I'm saying? So, but
we also know Martin Luther King was a conflicted individual
(27:36):
who coped with the ladies. We have to live with that,
you know, but who desire to live in a world
where the ideas that Charlie Kirk and his movement were
pushing forward are not accepted.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
That we don't think that.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
If you see a black pilot, you just wonder if
they're qualified. The questioning Michelle Obama, who didn't hold office
no lesson you know, Justice Kanji Brown, that she only
got there because affirmative action, which for him means she
wasn't qualified. Because you know, I don't need to adjudicate
(28:19):
the things. But what I'm saying is, and like you
we have been so mentioned he was a father and
a husband. Don't need to card out the obvious rebuttals
of that, you know, don't need to do that. That's
not what I'm talking about. Y'all know the rebuttals of that,
you know. But what I am talking about is the
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reality that like we have been living in this dissonance
for a very long time, when a very dangerous man
whom you might love deeply has their life taken a
person for which you you might agree wholeheartedly with, and
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don't understand why somebody else doesn't. And even when that
other person shows you the receipts you like Grandma at
the funeral, my baby ain't never hurt nobody. And I
want you to I want you to say, or I
want you to understand that. Again, I don't believe anybody,
(29:22):
especially in this in there, No one should have to
have seen that. I'm still even thinking about them college students,
the people there, that they're gonna have to live with
that site. That was gruesome, Yo, gruesome, And it sucks
because these are the same kids. Oh they've been going
they school's being shot up, their whole life.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
I just.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
I'm saying all this to say, even if this is
a fuck around and find out situation, my heart breaks
for you because I actually don't want you to find
out like this. I would have preferred, metaphorically speaking, that
mister Kirk follows the trajectory metaphorically of my cousin who
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realizes that the damaging power of his words and makes
a change. I would rather see that. I would rather
see a country that does not rage bait for content,
but really does dialogue with people. And if you are
(30:29):
having a dialogue that you would have, they would be
you know, good spirited discussions of good faith, right, I
mean where you don't move the goalposts, where you do
accept like, hey, maybe that was too far. Maybe I'm
you know, skewing these facts. You feel me not just
(30:53):
trying to dunk on each other.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
We don't, don't.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
I don't want to live in a world like that.
I don't want to live in a world or Charlie
Kirk's is are pushed forward. But I also don't want
to live in a world where you're shot in public.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
I don't want to live in a world like that.
It's sad.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
I also don't want to live in a world where
our president chooses which one of these people he gonna
mourn because he showed ain't fly no flags. Have for
the Minnesota senators, you know the Department of Health and
Human Services in Atlanta, somebody unloaded five hundred rounds over there.
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You hear about that story, I know, or the idea
of saying that if anybody says anything wrong about him
that happens to be an immigrant, you might lose your visa.
That's that's that's fascist. Don't nobody talk about my baby.
I get it, though, is what I'm trying to say.
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I get the instinct I want to no, no, no, no,
y'all keep my baby's name out your mouth. I understand that.
Here's the thing about your baby, though, So I guess
what I'm trying to say is we have all had
to learn how to hold two conflicting ideas in the
same place. This is what it means to be a
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person of color in America. You hold very opposite things
in the same place at the same time. If you
don't want to lose your humanity, you just have to
do that. And doing that in this scenario is saying,
I mean personally saying you can miss me with the
he was a Christian thing. I mean, like I said,
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I cite to you, James Dobson.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
You know the.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Hurt, the deep damage that that man's teaching has done.
Also coupled with the way for which he may have
helped a lot of people. I understand that can't can't
can't can't, can't broad brush it. Just like I said,
this cousin, Some of these cousins I'm looking over over
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I have very fond memories of.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
But I also know he heard a lot of people.
He really did. I don't mean I don't love him.
I don't.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Nobody's quoting Samuel L. Jackson here, at least I'm not
quoting Samuel. Lot of people quoting Samuel. Yes, they deserve
to die, and I hope they burning hell. But what
I'm not gonna do is be like Samuel L. Jackson
holding Leonardo DiCaprio in Django. That's what I'm not gonna do. Okay,
And I think maybe you're the one that's a little
(33:54):
insensitive if you can't understand why the elective group of trans, queer, black, Latino,
Asian and everybody else that ain't a middle class white
man but don't have him feelings.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
So while I'm not gonna hold that man like Samuel L.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
Jackson did, I'm also not gonna go piss on his
grave because that's not who I am. Remember the I
talked about when we talked about the birthright citizenship thing,
when we said that the Constitution is not about who
you are, it's about who I am. For me, that's
the G Code. Now, the G code is short for
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Gangster code, and I am not a gangster. But I
understand the code and I do live by very a
code for myself and for me that's against the code.
My code of conduct is around understanding and peace building.
(35:11):
But yeah, I don't think because you did, I'm gonna
speak highly of you. That don't absolve you, you feel me.
But just because I don't speak highly of you don't
mean I think you deserve to die. It's two conflicting
ideas that are actually in pretty good harmony. More and
(35:34):
with those who mourn and you know, celebrate, with those
who celebrate. I leave you with this For my believers.
When I say believers, I mean like the few Christians
that still rock with me. You know, the beatitudes, Jesus says,
Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.
(35:58):
He was not a merciful man. He just wasn't, dude.
It says, maybe that's why he's not being shown mercy. Now,
I don't know, I might be mangling that verse right,
but this year episode is me attempting to be merciful.
(36:25):
My baby ain't never hurt nobody. Yes he did, and
I'm still sorry for your loss. You want to go
pick you up something to drink cold politics, y'all? All right, now,
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don't you hit stop on this pod. You better listen
to these credits. I need you to finish this thing
so I can get to download numbers. Okay, so don't
stop it yet, but listen. This was recorded in East
Lost Boyle Heights by your boy Propaganda.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Tap in with me at prop hip hop dot com.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
If you're in the Coldbrew coffee we got terraform Coldbrew.
You can go there dot com and use promo code
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was mixed, edited, and mastered by your boy Matt Alsowski
killing the Beast Softly. Check out his website Matdowsowski dot com.
I'm a speller for you because I know M A
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T T O S O W s ki dot com
Matthowsowski dot com.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
He got more music and.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Stuff like that on there, so gonna check out The Heat.
Politics is a member of cool Zone Media, Executive produced
by Sophie Lichterman, part of the iHeartMedia podcast network. Your
theme music and scoring is also by the one and
overly Mattowsowski. Still killing the beats softly, so listen. Don't
let nobody lie to you. If you understand urban living,
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you understand politics.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
These people is not smarter than you. We'll see y'all
next week.
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