February 2, 2025 • 26 mins
Jason Timpf reacts to the shocking trade sending Luka Doncic to join LeBron James' Los Angeles Lakers and Anthony Davis to team up with Kyrie Irving, Klay Thompson, and the Dallas Mavericks. Jason breaks down why Dallas decided to move off Luka and what lies ahead for both teams for the rest of this NBA season.
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4:15 - Introduction
7:00 - Why Mavericks dealt Luka
11:00 - What this means for Lakers
26:00 - What this means for Mavericks
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Well.
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I am in Breckinridge on vacation, and Luca Dots has
just got traded to the Los Angeles Lakers, and all
hell is breaking loose, and I wanted to make sure
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Of the year.
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So I had a kind of a late flight into Breckenridge.
Wasn't supposed to be southwest to later our flight four
hours a couple of months ago for like no reason,
and so we ended up getting in pretty late, and
we finally settle down for some dinner. And you know
how it is when you're traveling on a ski trip.
You're bringing bags, you're bringing skis, you're running cars, you're
shuttling everywhere it's just a logistically very complicated process. And
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so we finally sit down for some dinner at Ali's
here and Breck it's a pub, and the trade comes
down right when we're finally about to relax, and I'm
just like, you've got to be kidding me, And Paul
sent me the text Messageaul's our lead producer here, and
I just assumed it was a hack, right, and then
Sham's the second tweet is like, yes, this is real,
which is like exactly what you would say if you
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hacked Sham's account, right, So I'm like, Okay, this is
definitely fake. And then all of a sudden, I start
getting a couple more text messages. I see a couple
other reports, and it's like, oh my god, this is
actually happening, And I couldn't think straight the rest of
the night. It was funny. I was watching I'm in
this like kind of chaotic bar, and I'm seeing Brian
Winhorse's face. I can't hear his voice, but I see
him up there working and I'm like, what do you
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even say right now? Like I needed time to process this.
It's so funny. Even if I wasn't completely exhausted and
out of position to work last night. I still probably
would have waited for this morning because I just needed
time to process this, get more information before I could
really give any sort of strong opinion about what happened.
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And it still is quite possibly the craziest thing that
I've ever seen in my time as a sports fan.
For the Dallas Mavericks, less than eight months away from
them being in the NBA Finals, three wins away from
hoisting the trophy, Trading a consensus top three NBA player
to the Los Angeles Lakers, I just I can't believe it.
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I still am barely wrapping my brain around this, but
I have some thoughts about both teams. I want to
kind of get into it from a bunch of different angles.
I want to start with the idea of MAVs bailing
on Luca. According to all the reporting I've seen, the
company line here is that the MAVs were concerned about
Luca's inability to stay in shape and they did not
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want to commit super max money to him. Now, upfront,
I have shared many of the same concerns on this show.
I thought his defensive performance in the NBA Finals last
year was the most embarrassing defensive performance I've ever seen
from a star in a playoff series. I talked all
summer about how Luca is trending in the wrong direction
in terms of taking care of his body. He needs
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to get that right. I do stand by all of
those things, but it still makes absolutely no sense for
the MAVs, regardless of those factors. And here's why. So
your alternative to building around this guy that you don't
think has the ability to stay in shape and keep
his body in position to give you his best every night,
so you build your future around Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis,
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two guys that aren't exactly the hallmark of availability. Now,
Anthony Davis is a lot more available than his reputation
would lead you to believe, but he does miss time
and he's kind of an inconsistent motor player, which is
something we'll get into in a little bit. And then
Kyrie Irving hasn't played in more than sixty games in
a season since twenty nineteen, so I don't see if
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that was the thing. I need a more reliable, more
dependable franchise cornerstone. This direction doesn't make any sense. And
as for Luca, regardless of his issues with conditioning, regardless
of his physical health. He is twenty five years old.
He's twenty five years old, and he just led his
team to within three wins of an NBA championship eight
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months ago. So like, regardless of your concerns, it's just
way too soon to give up on him. I don't
know about you, guys, but I wasn't exactly a super
mature and disciplined person when I was twenty five years old.
None of us are. It's totally normal for people to
take a little bit of time before they learn how
to better take care of themselves, how to better reach
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their potential. Is this somewhat of an extreme case, sure,
but it's not as bad as some other cases. There
are worst cases like Zion Williamson, like joe El Embiid,
and those teams are still hanging on to hope. And
aside from that, even a fat, out of shape Luca
is a bona fide top five player in the NBA
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and you just gave him to the Lakers. I do
not get it. All this really accomplishes for Dallas is
it creates a really interesting, imposing defense that is a
threat to upset some teams in the West. But does
not have the offensive ceiling to win the title, to
win four playoff rounds, and you just shortened your window
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because instead of being built around a twenty five year old,
top tier superstar, you're built around older, more fragile maybe
not more fragile than Luca, but more fragile compared to
other franchise cornerstones, guys that have a much shorter window
here for you to capitalize them. Anthony Davis turns thirty
two in March, and he's an old thirty two. He
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doesn't move nearly as well as he did when he
joined the Lakers. Just go watch highlights of Anthony Davis
in the bubble when they won the title. I'm a
huge believer in Anthony Davis's talent, and we'll get further
into that here in a minute, but I don't view
him as a long term solution as a foundational superstar.
As a matter of fact, I've talked on my show
about how if the like I thought, the Lakers after
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Lebron retired, should trade Anthony Davis because he's not the
kind of guy you should build around at that point
in his career, in his mid thirty so you get
rid of your championship upside and you shorten your window
to content. I just don't understand it, and frankly, I
think there's no case for it, and I think MAVs
fans have every right to be very upset about this.
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I legit feel terrible for MAVs fans. I am sorry, guys,
this is absolutely crazy. I can't even imagine what you
guys are thinking. On that note, I want to take
some time to go through what this means for both teams.
Let's start with the Lakers. So they did pay a
pretty penny in this deal, not enough really for Luca Donschitz,
but they did give up a lot. They lost one
of their two first round picks that they have tradable
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this year. And they lost Max Christie, who just played
a great game last night against the Knicks, and MAVs
fans like he is a I think he projects to
be a high level two way starter in the long run.
I think he's a few years away from being super
rock solid as a playoff player, but I think he's
a high level two way role player. You guys are
going to like Max Christy. Lakers give up Max Christy.
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He just had a great game against the Knicks last night.
That the funniest thing about all of this. I was
watching the Knicks game as we were driving from Denver
into the Breckenridgeeria last night, and I was literally thinking
to myself, like, this team is becoming fun for me
to watch again. It had become a miserable team for
me to watch earlier in the year. And here, right
when they're starting to play some of their best basketball,
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right when I'm really starting to enjoy watching them, they
blow it all up. It's just super bizarre. But like,
let's be clear, they did give up a lot, giving
up Anthony Davis, giving up Max Christy, giving up a
first round pick, even if we all agree that that
shouldn't be enough for Luka Dunggich. My first thought last
night was, if you follow a path of rational thought
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through to conclusion, you should trade Lebron now. Right he's
forty years old. You need to keep Luca happy in
LA by surrounding him with talent, and Lebron might be
the best short term solution, but he's not the best
long term solution because of his age, and when he
retires or when he ages to the point of decline,
he has no trade value at that point. But there
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were two things that made me think a Lebron trade
would never happen. One, Rob and Jeanie are just much
more Hollywood than they are competent. And I'm sure they're
just giddy about the idea of partnering Lebron James with
Luka Doncic. I'm sure they'd love to just tell everybody
about that, So, like, I have a feeling they'll keep him.
And then two, Lebron is forty. He probably doesn't want
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to move across the country. He does have retirement leverage.
If Lebron decided he wanted to stay with the Lakers,
him and Rich could just call the other twenty nine
teams and be like, hey, if you trade for Lebron,
he's going to retire. I think Lebron has enough leverage
to stop that from happening. So I just had a
hard time believing that was the direction that they go next.
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And then we ended up getting a report from Chris
Haynes today that Lebron wants to stay with the Lakers. So,
as far as I'm concerned, Lebron's staying with the Lakers
unless some sort of magical trade materializes. That Lebron would
actually want and would benefit the Lakers, but I view
that as very very unloe. So we can move forward
with Lebron staying. That leaves the roster as Luka, Doncic,
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Lebron James, Austin Reeves, Ruey, Hachi Mura, Dorian Finney Smith,
Gabe Vincent, Jared Vanderbilt, Maxi Kleiba who came back in
the deal, Dalton Connect, Cam Retis, Jackson, Hayesen, some end
of the bench guys. A bunch of things fundamentally change
about the team. One, you suddenly go from a very
weak shot creation team relative to the top teams to
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possibly the best shot creation team in the league. You're
not doing better in half court initiation than Luka, Doncic, Lebron, James,
and Austin Reeves anywhere in this league. But there are
other problems, right, I would say another upside is that
you're super deep at forward.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You have Lebron, Luca technically is a forward on defense,
Ruey's a forward, Dorian Phinney Smith is a forward, Bando
is a forward, Maxi Kleeba is a forward. That's a
logjam there. You have six forwards, right, But this opens
up holes elsewhere. You're now sooper thin. In terms of
guards who can defend on the perimeter, Austin and Gabe
are basically the only two you have. Both of them compete,
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both of them do their jobs. They're good game plan
discipline guys, but both of them both of them have
physical limitations. Austin's a little skinny and not overly athletic,
and Gabe is short right. Not to be clear, Jared
Vanderbilt can be deployed as a perimeter defensive guard. Cam
Reddish can, but he shouldn't really be in an NBA rotation.
I view him as like a break glass in case
of emergency guy, like an end of the bench guy.
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So they could definitely use a piece in terms of
a guard who can defend on the perimeter. And now
you're god awful at center. Jackson Hayes, in my opinion,
isn't even good enough to be a backup center on
a serious team. Christian Wood is more of a power
forward to me, and he's always hurt. I think Maxi
Kleba is fine as a backup center or small ball center,
but he can't be your starting center, so that has
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to be addressed. And I'm just a tiny bit worried
about off ball play finishing because assuming they use Ruey
in a trade for a center, they don't have much
in the way of spot up shooting. Beyond the stars.
You have Dorian Finney Smith, you have Gabe Vincent, who's streaky,
and you have Dalton who probably can't be in a
playoff rotation because of his defensive shortcomings right now. So
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you have a dire need at the center spot. You
really need a guard that can defend on the perimeter
and just guys that can in those two spots finish
plays on the offensive end as Lebron, as Luca as
Austin create advantages. So I would be looking around at
guys like Robert Williams. I would be seriously considering trying
to facilitate that Miles Turner deal from the Pacers that's
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been kind of floating around in the ether, and like,
it's one of those things where it's difficult to find
something that addresses all of the flaws. So more likely
than not, it's gonna be one of those things where
Rob does the best he can, but we still are
looking at some flaws on this Lakers roster. When it's
all done. I tried to find a deal that makes
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some and here's just one example that I came up with.
What if you call the Pacers and the Bulls, and
the Pacers we know are looking for a center that
doesn't want a long term deal like Miles Turner, right,
they want just like a different center option that's cheaper.
I like the idea of you calling up the Pacers
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and Bulls and you offer Austin Reeves and Dalton connect
to the Pacers. In return, you get Miles Turner and
Aaron Nesmith from the Pacers. So you get a starting
center who is an excellent play finisher, a guy who
can run, pick and pop, a guy who can finish
on the roll, a guy that will help them on
the offensive end finishing those advantages. And Aaron Nismith, by
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the way, is a guy who can really defend on
the perimetery, can knock down, catch and shoot shots. That
kind of solves those two roles, and both guys can
be play finishers. You give up Boston Reeves, so now
all of a sudden you need a ball handler. But
that's where you could look at the buy out market,
Like let's say San Antonio does pull off a deer
in fox trade. That's where a Chris Paul trade or
excuse me, Chris Paul could get bought out, and then
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you could be looking at Chris Paul as your backup
point guard that you sign at the veteran minimum pro
rated for the end of the season as your backup
point guard right now. In order to make all this
deal work, you'd have to send a center to Indiana,
so you'd call up the Bulls and you'd have the
Bulls send Nikola Vusovich to the Pacers. Nikola Vusovich has
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two years left on his deal right around twenty million dollars.
He is older, so he's much more likely to take
a discount after this deal, and he's a legitimate pick
and pop big that will maintain the integrity of Indiana's
offense as they move forward with their goals. The Bulls,
in order for this to work, would get Ruy Hachimura
from the Lakers, and they get Ben Matherin from the Pacers,
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so every team kind of gets to shuffle the deck
a little bit. The Bulls would get Ruy Hachimura and
a guy in Ben Matherin who's twenty two years old,
and who keeps getting better. He's at fifty eight percent
for shooting this year. Ben's on the You get a
talented young player if you're Chicago. If you're Indiana, you
get Austin Reeves. That's a really good player to bring
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in at a discounted contract. Now, in order to make
the deal work, you'd either have to include a minimum
contract with a draft pick, probably that first round pick,
or you'd have to include Dalton Connect in the deal
and you just leave that up to Indiana. Would you
rather have the first round pick? Would you rather have
Dalton Connect? You can figure that out. If you didn't
send Dalton, you'd send someone like a Christian Wood to
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facilitate that deal. Right, So the Bulls would get Ruytcha
Mura and Ben Mathn, the Pacers would get Austin Reeves,
either Christian Wood or Dalton Connect, and they get Nikola
Vusovich from the Bulls, and then the Lakers would get
a guy like Miles Turner and an aaron Ne Smith.
That's just an example of a trade. To be clear,
it's extremely unlikely. It's a long shot. I think it's
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more likely that the Lakers end up having to patch
one of those holes. If you have to patch one,
you patch the center hole. If you have any opportunity
to get a guy like Robert Williams, if you can't
make some sort of larger deal, you've got to take
that Robert Williams opportunity because then it's like you can
at least patch things up with what you've got in house. Okay,
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we might have to use Jared Vanderbilt as a perimeter
defender more often. Right, we're gonna have to stagger things
so that we keep shooting on the floor as much
as possible. Right, there's a bunch of different things that
get complicated in that process. But if you're gonna patch
a hole, you gotta patch that center hole as best
as you can. And then if you can get a
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guard that can shoot and defend on the perimeter, that
is the best way to go about trying to maximize
this roster in the short term, regardless of what happens.
The Lakers had to do this again. It's hilarious because
they were starting to play well. But if the Dallas
Mavericks call you up and they offer to give you
Luka Doncic, you have to take that offer and just
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figure out the rest later, even if you end up
losing this season in the process, and the last thing
I'll say about it on the Lakers front as a fan,
I'm really curious to see what it's like rooting for Luca.
I have had the same concerns with Luca that Nico
Harrison has had. I've been very critical of Luca. I'm
interested to see what it's like rooting for him and
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getting to know his game on an even more intimate level.
In that way, I'm hoping that he takes this embarrassment
from the franchise that drafted him dumping him. I'm hoping
he takes that as a wake up call and goes
out for revenge this year. That would be the most
fun outcome. That's what I'm hoping to see from.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Him onto Dallas.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I want to start by just giving you guys my
personal impression from rooting for Anthony Davis over.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The last half decade.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Eighty ceiling is still every bit as high as the
best play in the world. He is still even though
he's not as fast a devastating defensive player, I think
he's the best defender in the world when he wants
to be. He's got excellent ability to switch, and he's
got excellent ability to come up to the level of
the screen. He can run a deep drop coverage, you
can protect the ram. He's an awesome defensive rebounder. Eighty's
just a monster. Don't let anybody tell you differently. He's
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the best defender in the world when he wants to be,
in my opinion. And he's a very useful offensive player.
There are certain types of guys that he can absolutely
fry in one on one situations. Look at that forty
point game he had the other night. And then if
in ball screens, if teams leave him open in the pocket,
he can destroy teams just as like a vertical spacer.
He's got a great floater in the lane. Like He's
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just a really useful offensive player there. He's great at
drawing fouls there. He's got a lot of upside there
on the offensive end. But there are two things that
lead to his inconsistency. The reputation Anthony Davis has of
being inconsistent comes from these two things. On offense, he's
a bit matchup dependent. There are certain types of front
court players who are both big enough to not be
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overpowered by ad but quick enough to prevent him from
getting around him. In those situations, ad has to shoot
shots over the top, like hooks, step back jump shots,
things along those lines, and he's inconsistent as an over
the top score. Some nights you'll catch him and he
looks like Kevin Durant. Other nights he can't make anything.
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The other thing on offense is he does struggle to
handle double teams in the post. That's something that just
never really came together for him as an offensive player.
And then on defense, he's always just been a very
weird motor player. Like when he's going, he's just absolutely devastating,
even on the Knights when he doesn't have it on
offense and he only has seventeen like I've seen games
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with Anthony Davis where he has seventeen points, fifteen rebounds
and he completely dominates the game. The offense is just like,
when it's there, he looks like the best player in
the world. When it's not, it's matchup dependent. It is
what it is. But when he's going on defense he's devastating.
But he will have many nights where it just kind
of looks like he's going through the motions. All Laker
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fans will tell you this, which is why it's hilarious.
Of all the guys that Nico Harrison wanted to bail
on Luca for that, this is the guy they that
they chose. But to be perfectly clear, I think Anthony
Davis at his best is a clear top ten guy
in the league, and he makes for a very interesting
MAVs roster, even though I don't think they have the
same Even though though I don't think they have the
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same offensive ceiling they had with Luca, it's a very
interesting team with a really interesting defensive set of personnel.
They have the potential to be pretty frightening on defense.
I've talked a lot about the too big dynamic with
the Lakers. One of the things that's happened in recent
NBA history is teams have gotten really good at bringing
their ball screen defender up to the level of the
screen to do a better job of containing ball handlers
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and putting the onus on the playmaker to be able
to make that skip pass to the corner or to
thread the needle to the role man in the middle
of the lane. But teams are bringing the lowman over
and they're tagging that guy. It's just a really difficult
job to come over into the lane and tagger roller,
but also have the athleticism and ground coverage to get
back out to the corner. The two big look what
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makes it appealing is you put Anthony Davis instead of
as the ball screen defender. You put him at the
four on the back line. So now you can imagine
a scenario with Derek Lively coming up to the level
of the screen, but Anthony Davis is the guy that's
running that bracket, splitting the difference between the role man
going downhill and that skip pass to the corner. I
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couldn't even imagine a better option for Ady to work
with in that sort of context as a role player
than a guy like Derek Lively. Both guys can switch
when they need to. They should have a devastating defensive
connection between those two guys, and they won't be a
slouch offensively because of the work that Nico did this
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summer to bring in extra ball handling, something I've talked
about a Ton bringing in Spencer Dinwoodie, bringing in Naji Marshall.
Even they're off ball guys, guys like Quinton Grimes, guys
like Klay Thompson that could run action coming off of screens.
They are a lot deeper in their ball handling than
they were in years past. And as we know, Kyrie
Irving is a damn good basketball player who specifically thrives
in tight spaces. That's the kind of upside that I
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see in terms of the ad Kyrie fit. In order
to thrive in these tight space situations, you have to
be an excellent pull up jump shooter, and Kyrie is
the front court Spacing won't be pretty. It will be
hard to get to the rim with this group, which
is why a guy like Kyrie becomes more valuable and
is over the top shooting, and they will have a
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ton of stops with their defense that buys them margin
for error on offense. I think they need to be
hunting ball handling before this Thursday. The trade that I
found that I really liked this morning was from the
Utah Jets. I'd call them up and I'd offer Daniel
Gafford and Nauji Marshall for Colin Sexton. I believe they
have too tradeable first after this deal. If I'm reading
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the tea leaves properly, and they could probably get this
done for a lightly protected first. Colin's playing really well.
He's everaging twenty two points and six assists per game
on forty eight percent from the field, forty one percent
from three to eighty nine percent from the foul line.
In this recent chunk of games, it's like fifteen games
or so that he's been playing at this level. So
I think he would be a little bit expensive, But
I think he's gettable, and he addresses a very specific
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need in terms of shot creation on this team that
can really guard. I think that type of team has
real upset potential in the Western Conference. Their defense will
overwhelm certain teams. They would give major problems to a
team like Minnesota, for instance, when they can pack the paint,
they'd be dangerous versus like an Oklahoma City, a team
that has struggled against teams that have packed the paint
before when their shooters go cold. But I don't think
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that Dallas offense is capable of reaching the level necessary
to win four playoff rounds, and that ultimately is what
makes this trade so absurd. It doesn't feel like there's
a championship ceiling anymore with that team. I've talked a
lot about this MAVs roster this year. I was really
excited about what this team would look like post deadline.
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Luca comes back, they make a run at it because
they have so many useful, talented role players anchoring two
of the best advantage creators in the league, and Luca
and Kyrie. I wanted to see it, and that's why
I mean, it's gonna be fun. I'm excited to watch
the new look MAVs. I would encourage you guys to
give Anthony Davis a fair shake on the nights when
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he's got it. You will love that guy. But I
just don't understand why they did it. I totally get
why MAVs fans are super upset. I would be two.
I feel bad for you guys. I'm genuinely sorry that
this is happening. We're gonna cover it every step of
the way. I'm gonna try to take a take a
break now and decompress a little bit before I get
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back in town on Wednesday. If something else goes down,
I got my stuff. I'll make sure that I'm here
and we will cover these things in detail on Wednesday
and Thursday surrounding the trade deadline again. I sincerely appreciate
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I am in Breckinridge on vacation, and Luca Dots has
just got traded to the Los Angeles Lakers, and all
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Of the year.
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So I had a kind of a late flight into Breckenridge.
Wasn't supposed to be southwest to later our flight four
hours a couple of months ago for like no reason,
and so we ended up getting in pretty late, and
we finally settle down for some dinner. And you know
how it is when you're traveling on a ski trip.
You're bringing bags, you're bringing skis, you're running cars, you're
shuttling everywhere it's just a logistically very complicated process. And
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so we finally sit down for some dinner at Ali's
here and Breck it's a pub, and the trade comes
down right when we're finally about to relax, and I'm
just like, you've got to be kidding me, And Paul
sent me the text Messageaul's our lead producer here, and
I just assumed it was a hack, right, and then
Sham's the second tweet is like, yes, this is real,
which is like exactly what you would say if you
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hacked Sham's account, right, So I'm like, Okay, this is
definitely fake. And then all of a sudden, I start
getting a couple more text messages. I see a couple
other reports, and it's like, oh my god, this is
actually happening, And I couldn't think straight the rest of
the night. It was funny. I was watching I'm in
this like kind of chaotic bar, and I'm seeing Brian
Winhorse's face. I can't hear his voice, but I see
him up there working and I'm like, what do you
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even say right now? Like I needed time to process this.
It's so funny. Even if I wasn't completely exhausted and
out of position to work last night. I still probably
would have waited for this morning because I just needed
time to process this, get more information before I could
really give any sort of strong opinion about what happened.
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And it still is quite possibly the craziest thing that
I've ever seen in my time as a sports fan.
For the Dallas Mavericks, less than eight months away from
them being in the NBA Finals, three wins away from
hoisting the trophy, Trading a consensus top three NBA player
to the Los Angeles Lakers, I just I can't believe it.
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I still am barely wrapping my brain around this, but
I have some thoughts about both teams. I want to
kind of get into it from a bunch of different angles.
I want to start with the idea of MAVs bailing
on Luca. According to all the reporting I've seen, the
company line here is that the MAVs were concerned about
Luca's inability to stay in shape and they did not
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want to commit super max money to him. Now, upfront,
I have shared many of the same concerns on this show.
I thought his defensive performance in the NBA Finals last
year was the most embarrassing defensive performance I've ever seen
from a star in a playoff series. I talked all
summer about how Luca is trending in the wrong direction
in terms of taking care of his body. He needs
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to get that right. I do stand by all of
those things, but it still makes absolutely no sense for
the MAVs, regardless of those factors. And here's why. So
your alternative to building around this guy that you don't
think has the ability to stay in shape and keep
his body in position to give you his best every night,
so you build your future around Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis,
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two guys that aren't exactly the hallmark of availability. Now,
Anthony Davis is a lot more available than his reputation
would lead you to believe, but he does miss time
and he's kind of an inconsistent motor player, which is
something we'll get into in a little bit. And then
Kyrie Irving hasn't played in more than sixty games in
a season since twenty nineteen, so I don't see if
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that was the thing. I need a more reliable, more
dependable franchise cornerstone. This direction doesn't make any sense. And
as for Luca, regardless of his issues with conditioning, regardless
of his physical health. He is twenty five years old.
He's twenty five years old, and he just led his
team to within three wins of an NBA championship eight
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months ago. So like, regardless of your concerns, it's just
way too soon to give up on him. I don't
know about you, guys, but I wasn't exactly a super
mature and disciplined person when I was twenty five years old.
None of us are. It's totally normal for people to
take a little bit of time before they learn how
to better take care of themselves, how to better reach
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their potential. Is this somewhat of an extreme case, sure,
but it's not as bad as some other cases. There
are worst cases like Zion Williamson, like joe El Embiid,
and those teams are still hanging on to hope. And
aside from that, even a fat, out of shape Luca
is a bona fide top five player in the NBA
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and you just gave him to the Lakers. I do
not get it. All this really accomplishes for Dallas is
it creates a really interesting, imposing defense that is a
threat to upset some teams in the West. But does
not have the offensive ceiling to win the title, to
win four playoff rounds, and you just shortened your window
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because instead of being built around a twenty five year old,
top tier superstar, you're built around older, more fragile maybe
not more fragile than Luca, but more fragile compared to
other franchise cornerstones, guys that have a much shorter window
here for you to capitalize them. Anthony Davis turns thirty
two in March, and he's an old thirty two. He
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doesn't move nearly as well as he did when he
joined the Lakers. Just go watch highlights of Anthony Davis
in the bubble when they won the title. I'm a
huge believer in Anthony Davis's talent, and we'll get further
into that here in a minute, but I don't view
him as a long term solution as a foundational superstar.
As a matter of fact, I've talked on my show
about how if the like I thought, the Lakers after
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Lebron retired, should trade Anthony Davis because he's not the
kind of guy you should build around at that point
in his career, in his mid thirty so you get
rid of your championship upside and you shorten your window
to content. I just don't understand it, and frankly, I
think there's no case for it, and I think MAVs
fans have every right to be very upset about this.
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I legit feel terrible for MAVs fans. I am sorry, guys,
this is absolutely crazy. I can't even imagine what you
guys are thinking. On that note, I want to take
some time to go through what this means for both teams.
Let's start with the Lakers. So they did pay a
pretty penny in this deal, not enough really for Luca Donschitz,
but they did give up a lot. They lost one
of their two first round picks that they have tradable
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this year. And they lost Max Christie, who just played
a great game last night against the Knicks, and MAVs
fans like he is a I think he projects to
be a high level two way starter in the long run.
I think he's a few years away from being super
rock solid as a playoff player, but I think he's
a high level two way role player. You guys are
going to like Max Christy. Lakers give up Max Christy.
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He just had a great game against the Knicks last night.
That the funniest thing about all of this. I was
watching the Knicks game as we were driving from Denver
into the Breckenridgeeria last night, and I was literally thinking
to myself, like, this team is becoming fun for me
to watch again. It had become a miserable team for
me to watch earlier in the year. And here, right
when they're starting to play some of their best basketball,
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right when I'm really starting to enjoy watching them, they
blow it all up. It's just super bizarre. But like,
let's be clear, they did give up a lot, giving
up Anthony Davis, giving up Max Christy, giving up a
first round pick, even if we all agree that that
shouldn't be enough for Luka Dunggich. My first thought last
night was, if you follow a path of rational thought
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through to conclusion, you should trade Lebron now. Right he's
forty years old. You need to keep Luca happy in
LA by surrounding him with talent, and Lebron might be
the best short term solution, but he's not the best
long term solution because of his age, and when he
retires or when he ages to the point of decline,
he has no trade value at that point. But there
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were two things that made me think a Lebron trade
would never happen. One, Rob and Jeanie are just much
more Hollywood than they are competent. And I'm sure they're
just giddy about the idea of partnering Lebron James with
Luka Doncic. I'm sure they'd love to just tell everybody
about that, So, like, I have a feeling they'll keep him.
And then two, Lebron is forty. He probably doesn't want
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to move across the country. He does have retirement leverage.
If Lebron decided he wanted to stay with the Lakers,
him and Rich could just call the other twenty nine
teams and be like, hey, if you trade for Lebron,
he's going to retire. I think Lebron has enough leverage
to stop that from happening. So I just had a
hard time believing that was the direction that they go next.
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And then we ended up getting a report from Chris
Haynes today that Lebron wants to stay with the Lakers. So,
as far as I'm concerned, Lebron's staying with the Lakers
unless some sort of magical trade materializes. That Lebron would
actually want and would benefit the Lakers, but I view
that as very very unloe. So we can move forward
with Lebron staying. That leaves the roster as Luka, Doncic,
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Lebron James, Austin Reeves, Ruey, Hachi Mura, Dorian Finney Smith,
Gabe Vincent, Jared Vanderbilt, Maxi Kleiba who came back in
the deal, Dalton Connect, Cam Retis, Jackson, Hayesen, some end
of the bench guys. A bunch of things fundamentally change
about the team. One, you suddenly go from a very
weak shot creation team relative to the top teams to
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possibly the best shot creation team in the league. You're
not doing better in half court initiation than Luka, Doncic, Lebron, James,
and Austin Reeves anywhere in this league. But there are
other problems, right, I would say another upside is that
you're super deep at forward.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
You have Lebron, Luca technically is a forward on defense,
Ruey's a forward, Dorian Phinney Smith is a forward, Bando
is a forward, Maxi Kleeba is a forward. That's a
logjam there. You have six forwards, right, But this opens
up holes elsewhere. You're now sooper thin. In terms of
guards who can defend on the perimeter, Austin and Gabe
are basically the only two you have. Both of them compete,
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both of them do their jobs. They're good game plan
discipline guys, but both of them both of them have
physical limitations. Austin's a little skinny and not overly athletic,
and Gabe is short right. Not to be clear, Jared
Vanderbilt can be deployed as a perimeter defensive guard. Cam
Reddish can, but he shouldn't really be in an NBA rotation.
I view him as like a break glass in case
of emergency guy, like an end of the bench guy.
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So they could definitely use a piece in terms of
a guard who can defend on the perimeter. And now
you're god awful at center. Jackson Hayes, in my opinion,
isn't even good enough to be a backup center on
a serious team. Christian Wood is more of a power
forward to me, and he's always hurt. I think Maxi
Kleba is fine as a backup center or small ball center,
but he can't be your starting center, so that has
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to be addressed. And I'm just a tiny bit worried
about off ball play finishing because assuming they use Ruey
in a trade for a center, they don't have much
in the way of spot up shooting. Beyond the stars.
You have Dorian Finney Smith, you have Gabe Vincent, who's streaky,
and you have Dalton who probably can't be in a
playoff rotation because of his defensive shortcomings right now. So
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you have a dire need at the center spot. You
really need a guard that can defend on the perimeter
and just guys that can in those two spots finish
plays on the offensive end as Lebron, as Luca as
Austin create advantages. So I would be looking around at
guys like Robert Williams. I would be seriously considering trying
to facilitate that Miles Turner deal from the Pacers that's
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been kind of floating around in the ether, and like,
it's one of those things where it's difficult to find
something that addresses all of the flaws. So more likely
than not, it's gonna be one of those things where
Rob does the best he can, but we still are
looking at some flaws on this Lakers roster. When it's
all done. I tried to find a deal that makes
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some and here's just one example that I came up with.
What if you call the Pacers and the Bulls, and
the Pacers we know are looking for a center that
doesn't want a long term deal like Miles Turner, right,
they want just like a different center option that's cheaper.
I like the idea of you calling up the Pacers
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and Bulls and you offer Austin Reeves and Dalton connect
to the Pacers. In return, you get Miles Turner and
Aaron Nesmith from the Pacers. So you get a starting
center who is an excellent play finisher, a guy who
can run, pick and pop, a guy who can finish
on the roll, a guy that will help them on
the offensive end finishing those advantages. And Aaron Nismith, by
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the way, is a guy who can really defend on
the perimetery, can knock down, catch and shoot shots. That
kind of solves those two roles, and both guys can
be play finishers. You give up Boston Reeves, so now
all of a sudden you need a ball handler. But
that's where you could look at the buy out market,
Like let's say San Antonio does pull off a deer
in fox trade. That's where a Chris Paul trade or
excuse me, Chris Paul could get bought out, and then
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you could be looking at Chris Paul as your backup
point guard that you sign at the veteran minimum pro
rated for the end of the season as your backup
point guard right now. In order to make all this
deal work, you'd have to send a center to Indiana,
so you'd call up the Bulls and you'd have the
Bulls send Nikola Vusovich to the Pacers. Nikola Vusovich has
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two years left on his deal right around twenty million dollars.
He is older, so he's much more likely to take
a discount after this deal, and he's a legitimate pick
and pop big that will maintain the integrity of Indiana's
offense as they move forward with their goals. The Bulls,
in order for this to work, would get Ruy Hachimura
from the Lakers, and they get Ben Matherin from the Pacers,
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so every team kind of gets to shuffle the deck
a little bit. The Bulls would get Ruy Hachimura and
a guy in Ben Matherin who's twenty two years old,
and who keeps getting better. He's at fifty eight percent
for shooting this year. Ben's on the You get a
talented young player if you're Chicago. If you're Indiana, you
get Austin Reeves. That's a really good player to bring
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in at a discounted contract. Now, in order to make
the deal work, you'd either have to include a minimum
contract with a draft pick, probably that first round pick,
or you'd have to include Dalton Connect in the deal
and you just leave that up to Indiana. Would you
rather have the first round pick? Would you rather have
Dalton Connect? You can figure that out. If you didn't
send Dalton, you'd send someone like a Christian Wood to
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facilitate that deal. Right, So the Bulls would get Ruytcha
Mura and Ben Mathn, the Pacers would get Austin Reeves,
either Christian Wood or Dalton Connect, and they get Nikola
Vusovich from the Bulls, and then the Lakers would get
a guy like Miles Turner and an aaron Ne Smith.
That's just an example of a trade. To be clear,
it's extremely unlikely. It's a long shot. I think it's
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more likely that the Lakers end up having to patch
one of those holes. If you have to patch one,
you patch the center hole. If you have any opportunity
to get a guy like Robert Williams, if you can't
make some sort of larger deal, you've got to take
that Robert Williams opportunity because then it's like you can
at least patch things up with what you've got in house. Okay,
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we might have to use Jared Vanderbilt as a perimeter
defender more often. Right, we're gonna have to stagger things
so that we keep shooting on the floor as much
as possible. Right, there's a bunch of different things that
get complicated in that process. But if you're gonna patch
a hole, you gotta patch that center hole as best
as you can. And then if you can get a
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guard that can shoot and defend on the perimeter, that
is the best way to go about trying to maximize
this roster in the short term, regardless of what happens.
The Lakers had to do this again. It's hilarious because
they were starting to play well. But if the Dallas
Mavericks call you up and they offer to give you
Luka Doncic, you have to take that offer and just
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figure out the rest later, even if you end up
losing this season in the process, and the last thing
I'll say about it on the Lakers front as a fan,
I'm really curious to see what it's like rooting for Luca.
I have had the same concerns with Luca that Nico
Harrison has had. I've been very critical of Luca. I'm
interested to see what it's like rooting for him and
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getting to know his game on an even more intimate level.
In that way, I'm hoping that he takes this embarrassment
from the franchise that drafted him dumping him. I'm hoping
he takes that as a wake up call and goes
out for revenge this year. That would be the most
fun outcome. That's what I'm hoping to see from.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Him onto Dallas.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I want to start by just giving you guys my
personal impression from rooting for Anthony Davis over.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
The last half decade.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Eighty ceiling is still every bit as high as the
best play in the world. He is still even though
he's not as fast a devastating defensive player, I think
he's the best defender in the world when he wants
to be. He's got excellent ability to switch, and he's
got excellent ability to come up to the level of
the screen. He can run a deep drop coverage, you
can protect the ram. He's an awesome defensive rebounder. Eighty's
just a monster. Don't let anybody tell you differently. He's
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the best defender in the world when he wants to be,
in my opinion. And he's a very useful offensive player.
There are certain types of guys that he can absolutely
fry in one on one situations. Look at that forty
point game he had the other night. And then if
in ball screens, if teams leave him open in the pocket,
he can destroy teams just as like a vertical spacer.
He's got a great floater in the lane. Like He's
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just a really useful offensive player there. He's great at
drawing fouls there. He's got a lot of upside there
on the offensive end. But there are two things that
lead to his inconsistency. The reputation Anthony Davis has of
being inconsistent comes from these two things. On offense, he's
a bit matchup dependent. There are certain types of front
court players who are both big enough to not be
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overpowered by ad but quick enough to prevent him from
getting around him. In those situations, ad has to shoot
shots over the top, like hooks, step back jump shots,
things along those lines, and he's inconsistent as an over
the top score. Some nights you'll catch him and he
looks like Kevin Durant. Other nights he can't make anything.
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The other thing on offense is he does struggle to
handle double teams in the post. That's something that just
never really came together for him as an offensive player.
And then on defense, he's always just been a very
weird motor player. Like when he's going, he's just absolutely devastating,
even on the Knights when he doesn't have it on
offense and he only has seventeen like I've seen games
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with Anthony Davis where he has seventeen points, fifteen rebounds
and he completely dominates the game. The offense is just like,
when it's there, he looks like the best player in
the world. When it's not, it's matchup dependent. It is
what it is. But when he's going on defense he's devastating.
But he will have many nights where it just kind
of looks like he's going through the motions. All Laker
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fans will tell you this, which is why it's hilarious.
Of all the guys that Nico Harrison wanted to bail
on Luca for that, this is the guy they that
they chose. But to be perfectly clear, I think Anthony
Davis at his best is a clear top ten guy
in the league, and he makes for a very interesting
MAVs roster, even though I don't think they have the
same Even though though I don't think they have the
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same offensive ceiling they had with Luca, it's a very
interesting team with a really interesting defensive set of personnel.
They have the potential to be pretty frightening on defense.
I've talked a lot about the too big dynamic with
the Lakers. One of the things that's happened in recent
NBA history is teams have gotten really good at bringing
their ball screen defender up to the level of the
screen to do a better job of containing ball handlers
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and putting the onus on the playmaker to be able
to make that skip pass to the corner or to
thread the needle to the role man in the middle
of the lane. But teams are bringing the lowman over
and they're tagging that guy. It's just a really difficult
job to come over into the lane and tagger roller,
but also have the athleticism and ground coverage to get
back out to the corner. The two big look what
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makes it appealing is you put Anthony Davis instead of
as the ball screen defender. You put him at the
four on the back line. So now you can imagine
a scenario with Derek Lively coming up to the level
of the screen, but Anthony Davis is the guy that's
running that bracket, splitting the difference between the role man
going downhill and that skip pass to the corner. I
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couldn't even imagine a better option for Ady to work
with in that sort of context as a role player
than a guy like Derek Lively. Both guys can switch
when they need to. They should have a devastating defensive
connection between those two guys, and they won't be a
slouch offensively because of the work that Nico did this
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summer to bring in extra ball handling, something I've talked
about a Ton bringing in Spencer Dinwoodie, bringing in Naji Marshall.
Even they're off ball guys, guys like Quinton Grimes, guys
like Klay Thompson that could run action coming off of screens.
They are a lot deeper in their ball handling than
they were in years past. And as we know, Kyrie
Irving is a damn good basketball player who specifically thrives
in tight spaces. That's the kind of upside that I
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see in terms of the ad Kyrie fit. In order
to thrive in these tight space situations, you have to
be an excellent pull up jump shooter, and Kyrie is
the front court Spacing won't be pretty. It will be
hard to get to the rim with this group, which
is why a guy like Kyrie becomes more valuable and
is over the top shooting, and they will have a
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ton of stops with their defense that buys them margin
for error on offense. I think they need to be
hunting ball handling before this Thursday. The trade that I
found that I really liked this morning was from the
Utah Jets. I'd call them up and I'd offer Daniel
Gafford and Nauji Marshall for Colin Sexton. I believe they
have too tradeable first after this deal. If I'm reading
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the tea leaves properly, and they could probably get this
done for a lightly protected first. Colin's playing really well.
He's everaging twenty two points and six assists per game
on forty eight percent from the field, forty one percent
from three to eighty nine percent from the foul line.
In this recent chunk of games, it's like fifteen games
or so that he's been playing at this level. So
I think he would be a little bit expensive, But
I think he's gettable, and he addresses a very specific
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need in terms of shot creation on this team that
can really guard. I think that type of team has
real upset potential in the Western Conference. Their defense will
overwhelm certain teams. They would give major problems to a
team like Minnesota, for instance, when they can pack the paint,
they'd be dangerous versus like an Oklahoma City, a team
that has struggled against teams that have packed the paint
before when their shooters go cold. But I don't think
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that Dallas offense is capable of reaching the level necessary
to win four playoff rounds, and that ultimately is what
makes this trade so absurd. It doesn't feel like there's
a championship ceiling anymore with that team. I've talked a
lot about this MAVs roster this year. I was really
excited about what this team would look like post deadline.
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Luca comes back, they make a run at it because
they have so many useful, talented role players anchoring two
of the best advantage creators in the league, and Luca
and Kyrie. I wanted to see it, and that's why
I mean, it's gonna be fun. I'm excited to watch
the new look MAVs. I would encourage you guys to
give Anthony Davis a fair shake on the nights when
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he's got it. You will love that guy. But I
just don't understand why they did it. I totally get
why MAVs fans are super upset. I would be two.
I feel bad for you guys. I'm genuinely sorry that
this is happening. We're gonna cover it every step of
the way. I'm gonna try to take a take a
break now and decompress a little bit before I get
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back in town on Wednesday. If something else goes down,
I got my stuff. I'll make sure that I'm here
and we will cover these things in detail on Wednesday
and Thursday surrounding the trade deadline again. I sincerely appreciate
you guys for rocking rocking with me and supporting the show.
If anything else happens, let you guys know, just keep
an eye on my Twitter feed and then if not,
I will see you guys for an episode either on
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Wednesday or Thursday. I'll see you guys then.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
The volume. What's up guys.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
As always, I appreciate you for listening to and supporting
Hoops tonight. It would actually be really helpful for us
if you guys would take a second and leave a
rating and a review. As always, I appreciate you guys
supporting us, but if you could take a minute to
do that, I'd really appreciate it.
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