November 18, 2025 • 21 mins
It’s a headline three decades in the making. The executor of the O.J. Simpson estate has publicly acknowledged it owes $58 million dollars to the family of Ron Goldman, but the most the family might ever see would be between $500,000 and $1,000,000, and even that might be a long shot. The Goldman’s have to essentially “get in line” with other creditors, including the IRS, following the death of Simpson last year. This all stems from the civil case where Simpson was found liable for the deaths of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson, the jury awarding the families $33.5 million dollars at the time. Right now, Simpson’s estate is auctioning off Simpson’s remaining memorabilia to try and raise enough cash to pay down its debts, but turned down a very high profile offer from Kim Kardashian, who was looking to purchase a very sentimental item for her family.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey there, everybody. It's Tuesday, November eighteen, and a big
headline for Ron Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, thirty one years
after the death of his son O J. Simpson's estate
finally agrees to pay him and with that everyone, welcome
(00:23):
to this episode of Amy and TJ. This is a
man who has been for three decades talking about pursuing
trying to get some sort of justice for the death
of his son, and it seems as though he may
get a part partial justice, perhaps is what we might
(00:45):
call it?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is that what we call this If he'd have gotten
every single dime of that money that initial judgment thirty
plus million.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Would that it felt like justice?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I would argue, No, like you said, some semblance of
some little I guess something that you could say you
had a win. I mean, the win was in court.
Him paying isn't the win, I guess, But I guess
that judgment originally was the only thing they had, which
was a legal court proceeding that said that O. J.
(01:16):
Simpson was responsible for killing Ron Goldman. That was the
biggest moment probably for this family.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yes, and you think about it, This is a family
that has been dealt a series of somewhat wins and
obviously a significant loss when OJ Simpson was found not
guilty for the murders of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson.
But then yes, they get the civil judgment with a
huge payout that they never received. Then OJ Simpson finally
(01:43):
does go to prison, but not for the crime of murder,
but for burglary for sealing back his own stuff. So yes,
he goes behind bars, but not for the reasons why
the Goldman family would have wanted. And then he dies
before any of this actually happens in his lifetime. So yeah,
(02:03):
it's like some wins but a lot of losses. But
today or at least this headline has to be some
sort of a victory for the family.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I mean, it seems weird to talk about it in
wins and losses. I know what you're saying, but yes,
to your point, it was that moment in court that
everybody saw right when he was not guilty was the
biggest possible loss. But still, even today we are thirty
plus years later, O J. Simpson has never been criminally
held responsible for the deaths of his ex wife and
(02:34):
Ron Goleman. That is just a fact that will stand
for all time for this family. So when they can
get something, when they can get a victory in court,
when I guess when he went back to prison, when
I mean, I don't want to say that anybody celebrated
his death, but there was anybody on the planet who
(02:57):
I could imagine hurt least in hearing that old J.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Simpson was dead. It might have been that family.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Agreed, agreed. And so this latest headline is that OJ
Simpson's estate has accepted a claim for fifty eight million dollars.
Ron Goldman originally had wanted one hundred and seventeen million.
That's what he had done, the math he had done
with all the interests he said had accrued. OJ Simpson's
estate said, yeah, we think your math might be a
(03:23):
little off, so we will agree to fifty eight. However,
and there is a big however, we don't even have
even anywhere close to that amount of money in the
estate to give you. I think they're saying they might
be able to scrape together anywhere between five hundred thousand
and a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Now I saw this as well. He said scrape together.
That might be all they got. And that doesn't mean
they're going to get every dime of it. If they
document every single dime to OJ Simpson's name that's left over,
there's a whole bunch of people in line ahead of
the Goldmans who need to get paid first.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Including the irs. I believe they said the OJ Simpson
estate owes around six hundred and forty thousand dollars in
taxes to the state of California, and that would have
to be the priority. Makes sense.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
This is what happened, right the headline and I get it.
It is a major headline that the Simpson of state.
It almost sounds like there is an admission of guilt
or we're saying, okay that this is no What this
is is what so many people in this country go
through every single day having to do with probate court.
This is really a civil matter where they're trying to
(04:33):
hunt down the estate of someone who has died. They're
essentially a creditor at this point, and everybody's coming after
this estate because he's died and we want our money,
and this is a part of the process. Ropes this
almost I know the headlines are where they are. This
seems like even a bigger headache, like, oh my god,
they got to deal with this now.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Now, now we're finally hearing that you are acknowledging that
you owe us money, and you're saying you're going to
try to pay us what you can. But yeah, we're
in line, and we're at the back of the line. Look,
Fred Goldman and his family, they I mean, when I
was working at the Today Show sometimes I felt like
they were on once a month trying to continue putting
(05:14):
a spotlight on OJ Simpson almost in a weird way,
publicly shaming him for not actually giving the money to
them that they are owed that a court mandated he
paid them back, and would complain about how he basically
found a way to live off of other people, like gifts,
things that weren't financially trans like that weren't transactions that
(05:36):
he could say, oh, I earned this money, now I
owe this to you, So he found ways to get around.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
They couldn't touch his NFL pension.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
He could not touch his NFL pension.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Du spoke a cigars. They see him playing golf. You
owe us thirty plus million, and he is seemingly at
least was going about his life. So this moment, for
that reason is a significant one headline wise, but in reality,
I don't know how much of a difference this now makes.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, I do think in tone it was striking to me.
And look the initial response from the executor of OJ
Simpson's estate the day after his death. I actually read
what he said, and it's pretty remarkable given that he
said this in April of twenty twenty four, and now
we have the headline we have to day. His statement was,
(06:29):
it's my hope that the Goldmans get nothing, get zero
them specifically, and I will do everything in my capacity
as the executor or personal representative to try and ensure
they get nothing. That was what he said the day
after O. J.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Simpson died, and that could still stand. I mean, this
does not mean a check book is about to get
opened up at all. So to your point, he might
not have gone too far from that. And again there
was a timeline after his debt was an April.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Year, April of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Okay, he died April last year.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
This put a whole bunch of things into motion, and
that's why we are at this point. It's not like
the Goldmans, this is some renewed effort. They have not stopped.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
They never let go the moment we.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Found out about the death of Ron Goldman. This family
has had one mission and is to go after oh J. Simpson,
and they have not stopped for that. I give them
all the credit in the world.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's pretty remarkable. Yes, it is three decades unrelenting, and
I do I do want to point out that same
executor because that was quite the statement, he said. A
short time later, he did express regret for speaking so forcibly,
and so he said, in hindsight in response to that statement,
it's my hope they get zero nothing. I think that
(07:48):
was pretty harsh, he admitted, and he said, now that
I understand my role as the executor and the personal representative,
it's time to tone down the rhetoric and really get
down to what my role is as a personal represent
It's interesting because it felt as though, and look, yes,
the Goldmans and Fred Goldman specifically and the sister were
very very aggressive in their media campaign against OJ Simpson,
(08:13):
trying to get some sort of justice, but there seemed
to be a real personal hatred not just from Fred
Goldman and family towards OJ Simpson, but reciproably as well
OJ Simpson, and certainly hearing that from his executor. Clearly
that was the tone in which he said he did
not want to give a dime a nickel to Fred
never ever. So this there was an emotional feud going
(08:38):
on between those two.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And look, by his death changed some things, right, it
changed They didn't have that target. Necessarily, you don't have
a human being to direct your focus. So now it's
the estate, and I think, look, these are the executor
has a specific job, and it's not to defend a legacy.
It's not to offend oj Simpson criminally. It's essentially to
(09:05):
handle your personal financial affairs. And this estate has things
it has to answer for legally or it's going to
be in trouble. His job is to make sure it's
handled one of those things. All these creditors came running
after his death. One of them was Ron Golman. Do
you acknowledge this debt or not? They officially acknowledged yep,
(09:28):
we owe money.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Is what happened, and.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
They have officially acknowledged we legally. Oh, mister Goldman, this
money is he gonna get it? Don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But this it's funny how something that is that so
many Americans are dealing with day in, day out having
to do with trying to track down money. You're old
in probate court now has ballooned into this headline making
thing that is in a lot of ways mundane and routine.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
In a lot of ways, it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is historically significant to one of the biggest cases we
have maybe ever watched in this cause you.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Were just rewatching a fascinating documentary about this case and
we still are learning things that we didn't know at
the time, even though this trial was on television every
single day, from the police chase and the White Bronco
to the actual day in and day out with Judge
Edo with Marsha Clark and Johnny Cockran. I mean, there
(10:30):
was never a trial like this, the attention to focus
the details that we all think we know. There's still
still information that we're finding out.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Courage, everybody watch that documentary with the people. You know
which one is it. It's called It's on Netflix now,
it's the most It's the latest O. J.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Simpson documentary. And I was, you know that we were
in Sweden.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I was watching it every morning as I was taking
a shower and was going to it while.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You were playing it and coming and going, wait, what
did they just say?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And I swear to you in the first forty five minutes,
I came to you, I said, oh my god, he
absolutely did it.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I have no quo, there's nothing to talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I came back to you the next episode and I said, Sweetart,
I don't know if he did it. It was you
heard so many things that it was wild. So I
encourage everybody to listen to it. But Robes, one of
the most striking parts of that was Ron Goldman's sister,
who everybody you know her face, We're so familiar with
her at this point, but she said the reason she
was doing the documentary is because if I don't, none
(11:29):
of you all are going to talk about my brother.
It'll all be about OJ and Nicole. To hear her
say that, now combined with this story, lets you know
this is a family who would not let it go.
And more power to them. And if this is another
moment where they can say we got a victory, knock
yourself out. I don't think they ever gave a damn
(11:51):
about the money.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Oh I don't think they'll probably end up donating it
to charity. What would you do with that money? Don't
blood money.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
What do you want?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, what do you want? Donated to the domestic violence
something or the other. They would probably do. So it's
not about that at all. It is just an acknowledgement
that this man has been held responsible and he never
paid for it, right, paid with jail time?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So how can he pay for it? He'd have to
literally pay with money. This is the only option now
if they get some money. This is the first time
that wow, he's paid for his crime.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And so we've heard from the executor of the Oja
estate that they are and have been over since he died,
trying to auction off many of his items, some of
the memorabilia, to try and raise funds to pay off
the irs and eventually perhaps to pay off the gold Men's.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Would you keep one if you had an opportunity, if
somebody said the OJ heisman, would you keep any part
of OJ Simpson sports memorabilia?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I personally would not, would.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
You seems weird? It seems weird if.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You have gobsmacks of mine and you're having a house
party and you want to say, hey, look what I got.
We've all met those people. They have a treasure trove
in their palatial house somewhere, and they want to show
you the room they have with pictures of them with
famous people and memorabilia from people who did far greater
things than they did, to say, look what I got,
Look what I bought, Look what I paid for.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Then they take you down to the basement and then
a room off to the side of the back of
the basement. You go into that and then they punch
in a code and then the wall opens up and
you go, holy shit, you got that?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Or the time when they ask you to leave the
room while they open the safe just in case you
might see you.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Remember that, Yes, these people, so you know those.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
People, We aren't those people.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
What we're saying, what anybody this memorability we're talking about
he's trying to sell?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Who would you do?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
There is someone who wanted to buy a piece of
the memorabilia for very personal reasons and was turned down,
and she talked about it in one of the latest
episodes of Keeping Up with the kr Dash and continuing
(14:10):
our conversation about one of the biggest most recent headlines
regarding OJ Simpson since his death, Truly, his estate has
finally agreed to pay Ron Goldman's family some of the
money they owe from that civil judgment that was from
back in what nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety six, ninety seven,
(14:34):
so thirty one years since Ron Goldman's death, the Goldman
family is finally getting word from the OJ state that yes,
we acknowledge we owe you money somewhere around fifty eight
million dollars. They're probably at best, if ever, going to
get around five hundred thousand to a million according to
the executor of the will. But that's about as good
(14:57):
as it gets.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Right, do I have it right?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
That's all he's worse, right, That's all they're saying he's worth,
is that if they gave him every dime, the most
they get is a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Read it seemed to be. That's what it seems to
be the case. And they are in the process of
auctioning off what was in this estate. In OJ's estate
and among the prized possessions was a Bible. And it
wasn't just any bible. It was a Bible gifted to
OJ Simpson by his attorney, Robert Kardashian Senior, and of
(15:30):
course the father, the late father of Kim Kardashian the
Kardashian clan, so they sold the Bible. But before when
Kim Kardashian heard, Hey, they're selling the Bible my father
gave to OJ, she says she wanted to buy it
for her sister for a birthday present, because they wanted
to bring the Bible back into their family, and she
(15:50):
says the OJ estate rejected her offer period. She offered
to buy the book, she says, for fifteen thousand dollars,
and says she was willing to negotiate. She was turned out.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I'm pretty sure she could have gone higher than the
fifteen She.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Said she was willing to go up to thirty thousand,
but was never even given the opportunity to negotiate. And
that's what upset her. She said, I guess I had
a little too much faith in humanity, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And she's the only one we got an answer for.
We haven't got an official reason from the estate.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
For well, I've had an official reason from the state,
the executor said, in response to Kim's complaint, which again
she just last week said this all on keeping up
with the Kardashians. So here's the deal. The Bible ended up
being sold in auction for eighty thousand dollars plus. Again,
pretty sure Kim Kardashian could afford that, but she offered
(16:47):
fifteen to thirty, said that she was willing to negotiate.
She also was upset that that somehow got leaked online
that she didn't want that to be out there. So
somehow someone put it out there that she made an offer,
and maybe they were trying to embarrasser because it was
so low compared to what it actually ended, showing that
for I.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Don't like all that's petty, But point being, does that
not make sense? If they understood it, they could get
more than the fifteen? Why not wait for auction?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Correct? So that's basically what the executor said. He said,
why would I spend fifteen thousand dollars of estate money?
Why would I spend fifteen thousand dollars in attorney's fees
to sell it to Kim for fifteen thousand dollars. I
don't know that attorney's fees are that much money to
negotiate a sale, but that's what he said. And he said,
that's a zero sum game and it's a bad business model.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I don't understand that part with the I don't understand
that part.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I don't know what he was saying that it would
cost him fifteen thousand dollars to sell it to her
for fifteen thousand dollars. That makes no sense to me.
I don't know how these sorts of things go and
what the fees are attached to it. But that doesn't
seem to make a lot of sense. But he said
basically he would end up with nothing if he sold
it to her for fifteen so he didn't even entertain
the offer.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Wait, there's no explanation for how that goes down with
the No, I haven't known a sale. If there's a
you know sometimes broker's fees when it comes to auctions.
Is that a party it was going through there?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, I don't understand it because usually when I sell something,
I say do you want this? They say yes, I
want this much. They say I'll give you this much,
and then we're done. It usually can be wrapped up
in a tax exchange.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yes, so this is where it is. But it was
interesting Kim actually talked about especially why this Bible was
important to them. Her father actually wrote an inscription in
the Bible to oj that it said this is after
the verdict. God has a definite plan for your life.
You are his child, and he will use you again.
(18:36):
And she just thought that it was really special. But
her father wrote that and they wanted it back in
their family. I don't know if there was a consideration
that should have been given. I think it would have
been the right thing to do to negotiate with her
and say, hey, this is probably going to go for X,
Y and Z. Can you match that? Obviously she could
have if she wanted it, But she claims he never
(18:57):
even negotiated with her.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And again I don't know how much more of that,
how much I don't know anything personal. If there is
anything untoward, anything behind the scenes or personal related to that,
or it was just a business decision, I don't know.
And again, that was Oj Simpsons. This was OJ's Bible,
It was in his possession. This is his thing. It's
not her da. She has no right or entitlement to it.
(19:21):
Now from a human standpoint, there's nobody in his family
who has a use for it.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Now do they who.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Would want or maybe they would I assume everything in
his estate they would get first DIBs on.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I would think unless they know that they owe enough
people enough money that they can't justify handing out memorabilia
for emotional reasons or emotional attachments. They actually need to
find the highest bidder or the highest price that would
be paid, and she would in order to meet the
obligations that are clearly there.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I hear that. Or maybe she's rugal.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Maybe Kim Kardashian, you don't get that rich by throwing
away money. We see a lot of stuff she does,
and oh wow, she's spending money on that, But she's, hey,
fifteen as high as I'm going to go.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I respect that.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I would think one of her dresses in her closet
is more than that. But that's just a guess.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
This just leans more into my new public discovery that
I have a parasocial relationship with Kim kardaction.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's for another podcast, but I would like to get
into that a little bit more deeply. That would be
of great interest to me. But look, this was a
fascinating story. It's a it's a case that has captivated
this country for three decades and this is the latest
development and certainly for the Goldman family, and it's interesting.
We didn't hear anything about the Browns that they have
(20:39):
not They're not a part of this. I think they have.
We haven't heard from them trying to get their share
of the money. I haven't heard one case of that. Actually,
oh oh they didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
This was all this was the Goldman. This was the
Goldman family that went this route against him. So now
they're not. You know, I haven't heard a whole lot
about the Simpson, the gold Brown Simpsons family years. But
this is just to think thirty years later, this is
still making headlines for even the most minute things like
something like this, which is literally a legal technical process
(21:15):
that they're going through, but it's a very big deal
because of what we're talking about. This is the OJ
Simpson case, and anything will make a headline. And the
headline here is that the old J.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Simpson is.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Acknowledging that he owes a debt to the family of
Ron Goldman.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Period.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
They're looking for a crumb of justice period at this
point after all these years, and we will continue to
follow this because this is not, as you pointed out,
over yet. We have to wait and see if the
money is there and if that money will actually be
handed over. But in the meantime, we thank you for
listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes.
We'll talk to you soon.
Hey there, everybody. It's Tuesday, November eighteen, and a big
headline for Ron Goldman's father, Fred Goldman, thirty one years
after the death of his son O J. Simpson's estate
finally agrees to pay him and with that everyone, welcome
(00:23):
to this episode of Amy and TJ. This is a
man who has been for three decades talking about pursuing
trying to get some sort of justice for the death
of his son, and it seems as though he may
get a part partial justice, perhaps is what we might
(00:45):
call it?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Is that what we call this If he'd have gotten
every single dime of that money that initial judgment thirty
plus million.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Would that it felt like justice?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
I would argue, No, like you said, some semblance of
some little I guess something that you could say you
had a win. I mean, the win was in court.
Him paying isn't the win, I guess, But I guess
that judgment originally was the only thing they had, which
was a legal court proceeding that said that O. J.
(01:16):
Simpson was responsible for killing Ron Goldman. That was the
biggest moment probably for this family.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yes, and you think about it, This is a family
that has been dealt a series of somewhat wins and
obviously a significant loss when OJ Simpson was found not
guilty for the murders of Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson.
But then yes, they get the civil judgment with a
huge payout that they never received. Then OJ Simpson finally
(01:43):
does go to prison, but not for the crime of murder,
but for burglary for sealing back his own stuff. So yes,
he goes behind bars, but not for the reasons why
the Goldman family would have wanted. And then he dies
before any of this actually happens in his lifetime. So yeah,
(02:03):
it's like some wins but a lot of losses. But
today or at least this headline has to be some
sort of a victory for the family.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
I mean, it seems weird to talk about it in
wins and losses. I know what you're saying, but yes,
to your point, it was that moment in court that
everybody saw right when he was not guilty was the
biggest possible loss. But still, even today we are thirty
plus years later, O J. Simpson has never been criminally
held responsible for the deaths of his ex wife and
(02:34):
Ron Goleman. That is just a fact that will stand
for all time for this family. So when they can
get something, when they can get a victory in court,
when I guess when he went back to prison, when
I mean, I don't want to say that anybody celebrated
his death, but there was anybody on the planet who
(02:57):
I could imagine hurt least in hearing that old J.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Simpson was dead. It might have been that family.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Agreed, agreed. And so this latest headline is that OJ
Simpson's estate has accepted a claim for fifty eight million dollars.
Ron Goldman originally had wanted one hundred and seventeen million.
That's what he had done, the math he had done
with all the interests he said had accrued. OJ Simpson's
estate said, yeah, we think your math might be a
(03:23):
little off, so we will agree to fifty eight. However,
and there is a big however, we don't even have
even anywhere close to that amount of money in the
estate to give you. I think they're saying they might
be able to scrape together anywhere between five hundred thousand
and a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Now I saw this as well. He said scrape together.
That might be all they got. And that doesn't mean
they're going to get every dime of it. If they
document every single dime to OJ Simpson's name that's left over,
there's a whole bunch of people in line ahead of
the Goldmans who need to get paid first.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Including the irs. I believe they said the OJ Simpson
estate owes around six hundred and forty thousand dollars in
taxes to the state of California, and that would have
to be the priority. Makes sense.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
This is what happened, right the headline and I get it.
It is a major headline that the Simpson of state.
It almost sounds like there is an admission of guilt
or we're saying, okay that this is no What this
is is what so many people in this country go
through every single day having to do with probate court.
This is really a civil matter where they're trying to
(04:33):
hunt down the estate of someone who has died. They're
essentially a creditor at this point, and everybody's coming after
this estate because he's died and we want our money,
and this is a part of the process. Ropes this
almost I know the headlines are where they are. This
seems like even a bigger headache, like, oh my god,
they got to deal with this now.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Now, now we're finally hearing that you are acknowledging that
you owe us money, and you're saying you're going to
try to pay us what you can. But yeah, we're
in line, and we're at the back of the line. Look,
Fred Goldman and his family, they I mean, when I
was working at the Today Show sometimes I felt like
they were on once a month trying to continue putting
(05:14):
a spotlight on OJ Simpson almost in a weird way,
publicly shaming him for not actually giving the money to
them that they are owed that a court mandated he
paid them back, and would complain about how he basically
found a way to live off of other people, like gifts,
things that weren't financially trans like that weren't transactions that
(05:36):
he could say, oh, I earned this money, now I
owe this to you, So he found ways to get around.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
They couldn't touch his NFL pension.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
He could not touch his NFL pension.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Du spoke a cigars. They see him playing golf. You
owe us thirty plus million, and he is seemingly at
least was going about his life. So this moment, for
that reason is a significant one headline wise, but in reality,
I don't know how much of a difference this now makes.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, I do think in tone it was striking to me.
And look the initial response from the executor of OJ
Simpson's estate the day after his death. I actually read
what he said, and it's pretty remarkable given that he
said this in April of twenty twenty four, and now
we have the headline we have to day. His statement was,
(06:29):
it's my hope that the Goldmans get nothing, get zero
them specifically, and I will do everything in my capacity
as the executor or personal representative to try and ensure
they get nothing. That was what he said the day
after O. J.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Simpson died, and that could still stand. I mean, this
does not mean a check book is about to get
opened up at all. So to your point, he might
not have gone too far from that. And again there
was a timeline after his debt was an April.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Year, April of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Okay, he died April last year.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
This put a whole bunch of things into motion, and
that's why we are at this point. It's not like
the Goldmans, this is some renewed effort. They have not stopped.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
They never let go the moment we.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Found out about the death of Ron Goldman. This family
has had one mission and is to go after oh J. Simpson,
and they have not stopped for that. I give them
all the credit in the world.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
It's pretty remarkable. Yes, it is three decades unrelenting, and
I do I do want to point out that same
executor because that was quite the statement, he said. A
short time later, he did express regret for speaking so forcibly,
and so he said, in hindsight in response to that statement,
it's my hope they get zero nothing. I think that
(07:48):
was pretty harsh, he admitted, and he said, now that
I understand my role as the executor and the personal representative,
it's time to tone down the rhetoric and really get
down to what my role is as a personal represent
It's interesting because it felt as though, and look, yes,
the Goldmans and Fred Goldman specifically and the sister were
very very aggressive in their media campaign against OJ Simpson,
(08:13):
trying to get some sort of justice, but there seemed
to be a real personal hatred not just from Fred
Goldman and family towards OJ Simpson, but reciproably as well
OJ Simpson, and certainly hearing that from his executor. Clearly
that was the tone in which he said he did
not want to give a dime a nickel to Fred
never ever. So this there was an emotional feud going
(08:38):
on between those two.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And look, by his death changed some things, right, it
changed They didn't have that target. Necessarily, you don't have
a human being to direct your focus. So now it's
the estate, and I think, look, these are the executor
has a specific job, and it's not to defend a legacy.
It's not to offend oj Simpson criminally. It's essentially to
(09:05):
handle your personal financial affairs. And this estate has things
it has to answer for legally or it's going to
be in trouble. His job is to make sure it's
handled one of those things. All these creditors came running
after his death. One of them was Ron Golman. Do
you acknowledge this debt or not? They officially acknowledged yep,
(09:28):
we owe money.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Is what happened, and.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
That's a big deal.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
They have officially acknowledged we legally. Oh, mister Goldman, this
money is he gonna get it? Don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
But this it's funny how something that is that so
many Americans are dealing with day in, day out having
to do with trying to track down money. You're old
in probate court now has ballooned into this headline making
thing that is in a lot of ways mundane and routine.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
In a lot of ways, it.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Is historically significant to one of the biggest cases we
have maybe ever watched in this cause you.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Were just rewatching a fascinating documentary about this case and
we still are learning things that we didn't know at
the time, even though this trial was on television every
single day, from the police chase and the White Bronco
to the actual day in and day out with Judge
Edo with Marsha Clark and Johnny Cockran. I mean, there
(10:30):
was never a trial like this, the attention to focus
the details that we all think we know. There's still
still information that we're finding out.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Courage, everybody watch that documentary with the people. You know
which one is it. It's called It's on Netflix now,
it's the most It's the latest O. J.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Simpson documentary. And I was, you know that we were
in Sweden.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I was watching it every morning as I was taking
a shower and was going to it while.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
You were playing it and coming and going, wait, what
did they just say?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And I swear to you in the first forty five minutes,
I came to you, I said, oh my god, he
absolutely did it.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
I have no quo, there's nothing to talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I came back to you the next episode and I said, Sweetart,
I don't know if he did it. It was you
heard so many things that it was wild. So I
encourage everybody to listen to it. But Robes, one of
the most striking parts of that was Ron Goldman's sister,
who everybody you know her face, We're so familiar with
her at this point, but she said the reason she
was doing the documentary is because if I don't, none
(11:29):
of you all are going to talk about my brother.
It'll all be about OJ and Nicole. To hear her
say that, now combined with this story, lets you know
this is a family who would not let it go.
And more power to them. And if this is another
moment where they can say we got a victory, knock
yourself out. I don't think they ever gave a damn
(11:51):
about the money.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Oh I don't think they'll probably end up donating it
to charity. What would you do with that money? Don't
blood money.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
What do you want?
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Yeah, what do you want? Donated to the domestic violence
something or the other. They would probably do. So it's
not about that at all. It is just an acknowledgement
that this man has been held responsible and he never
paid for it, right, paid with jail time?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Nope?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Nope?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
So how can he pay for it? He'd have to
literally pay with money. This is the only option now
if they get some money. This is the first time
that wow, he's paid for his crime.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
And so we've heard from the executor of the Oja
estate that they are and have been over since he died,
trying to auction off many of his items, some of
the memorabilia, to try and raise funds to pay off
the irs and eventually perhaps to pay off the gold Men's.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Would you keep one if you had an opportunity, if
somebody said the OJ heisman, would you keep any part
of OJ Simpson sports memorabilia?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I personally would not, would.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
You seems weird? It seems weird if.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
You have gobsmacks of mine and you're having a house
party and you want to say, hey, look what I got.
We've all met those people. They have a treasure trove
in their palatial house somewhere, and they want to show
you the room they have with pictures of them with
famous people and memorabilia from people who did far greater
things than they did, to say, look what I got,
Look what I bought, Look what I paid for.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Then they take you down to the basement and then
a room off to the side of the back of
the basement. You go into that and then they punch
in a code and then the wall opens up and
you go, holy shit, you got that?
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Or the time when they ask you to leave the
room while they open the safe just in case you
might see you.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Remember that, Yes, these people, so you know those.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
People, We aren't those people.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
What we're saying, what anybody this memorability we're talking about
he's trying to sell?
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Who would you do?
Speaker 1 (13:46):
There is someone who wanted to buy a piece of
the memorabilia for very personal reasons and was turned down,
and she talked about it in one of the latest
episodes of Keeping Up with the kr Dash and continuing
(14:10):
our conversation about one of the biggest most recent headlines
regarding OJ Simpson since his death, Truly, his estate has
finally agreed to pay Ron Goldman's family some of the
money they owe from that civil judgment that was from
back in what nineteen ninety seven, nineteen ninety six, ninety seven,
(14:34):
so thirty one years since Ron Goldman's death, the Goldman
family is finally getting word from the OJ state that yes,
we acknowledge we owe you money somewhere around fifty eight
million dollars. They're probably at best, if ever, going to
get around five hundred thousand to a million according to
the executor of the will. But that's about as good
(14:57):
as it gets.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Right, do I have it right?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
That's all he's worse, right, That's all they're saying he's worth,
is that if they gave him every dime, the most
they get is a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
Read it seemed to be. That's what it seems to
be the case. And they are in the process of
auctioning off what was in this estate. In OJ's estate
and among the prized possessions was a Bible. And it
wasn't just any bible. It was a Bible gifted to
OJ Simpson by his attorney, Robert Kardashian Senior, and of
(15:30):
course the father, the late father of Kim Kardashian the
Kardashian clan, so they sold the Bible. But before when
Kim Kardashian heard, Hey, they're selling the Bible my father
gave to OJ, she says she wanted to buy it
for her sister for a birthday present, because they wanted
to bring the Bible back into their family, and she
(15:50):
says the OJ estate rejected her offer period. She offered
to buy the book, she says, for fifteen thousand dollars,
and says she was willing to negotiate. She was turned out.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
I'm pretty sure she could have gone higher than the
fifteen She.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Said she was willing to go up to thirty thousand,
but was never even given the opportunity to negotiate. And
that's what upset her. She said, I guess I had
a little too much faith in humanity, okay.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
And she's the only one we got an answer for.
We haven't got an official reason from the estate.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
For well, I've had an official reason from the state,
the executor said, in response to Kim's complaint, which again
she just last week said this all on keeping up
with the Kardashians. So here's the deal. The Bible ended up
being sold in auction for eighty thousand dollars plus. Again,
pretty sure Kim Kardashian could afford that, but she offered
(16:47):
fifteen to thirty, said that she was willing to negotiate.
She also was upset that that somehow got leaked online
that she didn't want that to be out there. So
somehow someone put it out there that she made an offer,
and maybe they were trying to embarrasser because it was
so low compared to what it actually ended, showing that
for I.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Don't like all that's petty, But point being, does that
not make sense? If they understood it, they could get
more than the fifteen? Why not wait for auction?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Correct? So that's basically what the executor said. He said,
why would I spend fifteen thousand dollars of estate money?
Why would I spend fifteen thousand dollars in attorney's fees
to sell it to Kim for fifteen thousand dollars. I
don't know that attorney's fees are that much money to
negotiate a sale, but that's what he said. And he said,
that's a zero sum game and it's a bad business model.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
I don't understand that part with the I don't understand
that part.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I don't know what he was saying that it would
cost him fifteen thousand dollars to sell it to her
for fifteen thousand dollars. That makes no sense to me.
I don't know how these sorts of things go and
what the fees are attached to it. But that doesn't
seem to make a lot of sense. But he said
basically he would end up with nothing if he sold
it to her for fifteen so he didn't even entertain
the offer.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Wait, there's no explanation for how that goes down with
the No, I haven't known a sale. If there's a
you know sometimes broker's fees when it comes to auctions.
Is that a party it was going through there?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Maybe?
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, I don't understand it because usually when I sell something,
I say do you want this? They say yes, I
want this much. They say I'll give you this much,
and then we're done. It usually can be wrapped up
in a tax exchange.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yes, so this is where it is. But it was
interesting Kim actually talked about especially why this Bible was
important to them. Her father actually wrote an inscription in
the Bible to oj that it said this is after
the verdict. God has a definite plan for your life.
You are his child, and he will use you again.
(18:36):
And she just thought that it was really special. But
her father wrote that and they wanted it back in
their family. I don't know if there was a consideration
that should have been given. I think it would have
been the right thing to do to negotiate with her
and say, hey, this is probably going to go for X,
Y and Z. Can you match that? Obviously she could
have if she wanted it, But she claims he never
(18:57):
even negotiated with her.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
And again I don't know how much more of that,
how much I don't know anything personal. If there is
anything untoward, anything behind the scenes or personal related to that,
or it was just a business decision, I don't know.
And again, that was Oj Simpsons. This was OJ's Bible,
It was in his possession. This is his thing. It's
not her da. She has no right or entitlement to it.
(19:21):
Now from a human standpoint, there's nobody in his family
who has a use for it.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Now do they who.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Would want or maybe they would I assume everything in
his estate they would get first DIBs on.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Is that fair to say?
Speaker 1 (19:32):
I would think unless they know that they owe enough
people enough money that they can't justify handing out memorabilia
for emotional reasons or emotional attachments. They actually need to
find the highest bidder or the highest price that would
be paid, and she would in order to meet the
obligations that are clearly there.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
I hear that. Or maybe she's rugal.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Maybe Kim Kardashian, you don't get that rich by throwing
away money. We see a lot of stuff she does,
and oh wow, she's spending money on that, But she's, hey,
fifteen as high as I'm going to go.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
I respect that.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
I would think one of her dresses in her closet
is more than that. But that's just a guess.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
This just leans more into my new public discovery that
I have a parasocial relationship with Kim kardaction.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
That's for another podcast, but I would like to get
into that a little bit more deeply. That would be
of great interest to me. But look, this was a
fascinating story. It's a it's a case that has captivated
this country for three decades and this is the latest
development and certainly for the Goldman family, and it's interesting.
We didn't hear anything about the Browns that they have
(20:39):
not They're not a part of this. I think they have.
We haven't heard from them trying to get their share
of the money. I haven't heard one case of that. Actually,
oh oh they didn't.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
This was all this was the Goldman. This was the
Goldman family that went this route against him. So now
they're not. You know, I haven't heard a whole lot
about the Simpson, the gold Brown Simpsons family years. But
this is just to think thirty years later, this is
still making headlines for even the most minute things like
something like this, which is literally a legal technical process
(21:15):
that they're going through, but it's a very big deal
because of what we're talking about. This is the OJ
Simpson case, and anything will make a headline. And the
headline here is that the old J.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Simpson is.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Acknowledging that he owes a debt to the family of
Ron Goldman.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Period.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
They're looking for a crumb of justice period at this
point after all these years, and we will continue to
follow this because this is not, as you pointed out,
over yet. We have to wait and see if the
money is there and if that money will actually be
handed over. But in the meantime, we thank you for
listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes.
We'll talk to you soon.
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