A HMT Special Report: Coronavirus

Brooks and Gavin speak candidly about Coronavirus.

Carl joins us, a man from California with Coronavirus, currently quarantined in Nebraska.

Dr. Todd gives us direct advice and answers to our Coronavirus questions.

Rik (who is working in Dubai) and Hana (who is studying abroad in Barcelona) share their current experiences living and traveling abroad.

This episode was recorded on March 2nd, 2020, information and facts on COVID-19 have changed since the airing of this episode.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is how men think with growths like and Gavin
to grop and I heard radio podcast. Hello everybody, welcome
to the show. My name is Brooks, like and that
is Gavin to Cross. I never know how you're gonna
jump in. I just never know how you're gonna jump
Sometimes you just don't even know if you're gonna be here.
Sometimes I'm not sure I'm gonna be here. That's true. No,

(00:23):
you always show up, buddy, and I'm always happy to
see your face. And I feel like we should intro
today's show. Like as a news anchor, I like it.
Welcome to the show. We have a breaking report. I
like this angle. Yeah, sounds serious. Do you want to
do it? Not particularly because it's serious. It's a little
too serious for me. This is a really serious one.
And it was actually, you know, it's kind of hard

(00:46):
for me to uh. I think it's gonna be hard
for me to get funny because this topic is so serious.
This topic is very serious, super super serious, something that's
been I think on a lot of people's minds, most
everybody's minds. We're doing something extremely current today. Today we're
talking about the coronavirus, which the media has started to
blow upward. We're hearing about this every single day. We're
seeing new cases every day, We're seeing deaths, uh from

(01:09):
the coronavirus, and I think they're making a bigger deal
out of it than it is. Possibly we're going to
dig into that today. We have a gentleman who currently
has coronavirus coming on the phone with us today, so
we're gonna hear from Carl. We also have Dr Todd
who's going to weigh in with us later to give
his take from a medical standpoint on what he believes
about the coronavirus. But it's something that's honestly, Gavitt's got me.

(01:32):
It's I don't know if it's got me scared. It's
got my attention, and it's got me alert. Yourself, you
don't look that scared now. I believe you don't even
look too too. I mean, you always look alert, but
this doesn't seem like it's made you any more alert
than you usually are, because you're just an alert guy.
You're an aware guy. You always are aware, You're always present.

(01:56):
So I feel like guys like you, you're gonna do
what you think? Are you know, at least the pragmatic
things that need to be done, the handwashing, the whatever.
But you're not freaking out. I'm not gonna lie. I
don't do any of that. I probably do less of
that than anybody. I believe my immune So let you
share a sandwich of it at any point. He wouldn't
share a bite anyway. I believe my immune system is

(02:19):
a beast, and I just trust in my immune system.
But that being said, a good thing. I'm not that
ignorant or arrogant to think that I'm immune to everything.
If you think that, I couldn't possibly get this. But um,
I am watching closely. I'm reading on it, I'm watching
TV on it. Um, I'm trying to find out. Unless
I follow Twitter. Twitter is a great resource for what's breaking, um,

(02:40):
new cases in New York, some new deaths. Um. So
I am very much up to date on it. See
I fear. I fear the magnification of something through the
many different opinions of what the news is, you know
what I mean. So I just I worry about the

(03:00):
social media element of just about just about everything sort
of you know. It's uh the yeah, and I get that.
But that being said, I'd rather dedicate some time to
try and UM, and you can filter some of that out,
like there there are reputable places. There's some people I
found that are reputable that just distribute facts. Because distributing

(03:22):
your your opinion, unless in your work, unless you're working
for the Center for Disease Control the CDC or something.
If you're like throwing your opinion out there, I don't
know if there's much validation. I mean, you're probably the
best doctor in the world, so i'd probably trust your
great doctor. I'm one of the best. I'm one of
the greatest doctors I know, so I mean the most

(03:43):
humble too, but the most humble doctor that I know.
I do like paying attention to facts though. I do
like when there are verified facts about where cases of broke,
how many people UM currently are on record having it,
Where there's been the latest deaths UM, where the new
cases are popping up, what's the what's the demo graphic.
It seems to be older people UM that are passing

(04:04):
away from the disease. Kids seem to be surprisingly immune
to it. So just this kind of stuff I like.
I like paying attention to patterns is what I would say. Yeah,
I think that's smart. So UM, I can't wait to
dive into this and I can't wait to talk to Carl.
I can't imagine finding out that I had coronavirus and
what that would do to me, And like what he's

(04:26):
going to when when particularly early early on, Yeah, when
when we don't have a real understanding of what this is. Yeah,
without without the information to begin with. Oh man, it's
going to be a heavy show. Um So Eastern are exceptional,
exceptional engineer. Here Eastern with a beautiful beige colored sweater
today he's layered up. It's fantastic, but it's very Irish.

(04:49):
Thank you. It's going to like a fisherman kind of vibe.
I like it. I like it. Do you own a pipe?
Are you a pipe man? Well, when I'm off the clock, maybe,
I like if you enjoy now? And again said work.
Do you have an Irish setter? Are you a dog man?
You know, I don't have a setter, but but I
can dance a good jig, can you? Yeah? Fancy Michael
flet dancer exactly. How beautiful some of my faves. It's

(05:13):
incredible how this podcast went from a news report to
Gavin talking about um SO. Also, I want to commend
producer Amy and producersolutely, Um, this is one of the
first times we've done like a super current episode of

(05:34):
How Men Think, So I'm really looking forward to this day.
We're also going to check in with two of our
other How Men Think, Um, well, Brick, one of our
co hosts, and then Hannah who used to be our intern.
So Rick is in Dubai right now, and then Hannah
is in Spain. She's studying abroad and she might have
to come back home. Yeah. Also, is she coming home

(05:55):
because of the virus. Yeah, so apparently all of her
um what is it called, like other friends at school
that are studying about in Italy right now all got
sent back home. There was a no kidding, Like about
a week ago, there was a town of fifty thousand
people in Italy that was like quarantined like they were, um,
it was basically shut down Italy is Italy is Like,

(06:17):
that's crazy. It spot here right now. So we'll hear
from her just from like a student perspective, because she's
kind of freaking out right now too, you know, being
so young and being in Europe and having to deal
with us is kind of crazy. Preve bracking. They also
they also two days ago they just announced the cancelation
of six International Ice Hockey Federation World Championship tournaments. You're kidding,

(06:41):
They're just not six Internet i h F World Hockey Championship.
I played in this tournament back in two thousand twelve
or thirteen, um, competing for a World champion for for
World championship, for gold medal. And they've canceled six of
those tournaments. Wow, that's incredible. Yeah, it's heavy news. So UM,
I'm interested to see what goes on with the Olympics,
the upcoming Olympic with this. I mean, but I guess

(07:01):
before Brazil there was a Zeker virus. Zeker virus, correct, right,
there was some scare there. So I just there's so
much uncertainty with the coronavirus. What are the possibilities And
we're not trying to scare people. Um. Carl is going
to come on and share his story about being quarantined
and what he's going through, how he experienced the virus,
and then Dr Todd later is going to give us
a medical perspective on the virus. So Eastern queue up

(07:26):
our our first guest, Mr Carl Um. Mr Carl Goldman,
who currently has coronavirus. So, Gav, we have an incredible
guest on today. Our producers Amy and Danielle have done
an exceptional job, a very current job, and they've got

(07:50):
us a gentleman who currently has coronavirus, and he's on
the line with us. Carl Goldman, are you on the
phone with us? I am. I wish I was on
the do you here with you? But I think I
have a less chance of infecting you if I talk
on the cell phone. Hi, Carl, I appreciate you coming on,
Thank you so much. I would love if you were
in the studio with us as well, just not today,

(08:12):
but we'd love to. We would love to. Uh. I
prefer to speak with people and converse with people face
to face, so know that, but also know that. UM,
I know you have an immense amount going on in
your life and I super appreciate you. Gavin and I
both incredibly appreciate you for taking the time to jump
on with us today to share your experience with coronavirus.

(08:33):
So can you first tell us where you're currently at
right now? I am quarantined in Omaha. I came here
thirteen days ago, actually fifteen days ago. Now it all
becomes a blur. And I was first put into the
bio Containment Center in Omaha. It's one of three centers

(08:54):
in the country that was set up during the anthrax
scare never used for anthrax, and then they used it
for the Ebola crisis when the virus hit. So I'm
patient number two in that bio containment center since then.
Last since I was there twelve days Wednesday, I got
moved over to where I am now, which is more

(09:16):
like a single room dormitory in a building about three
blocks away. This is a huge campus here, and there
were fifteen patients that came from the Diamond Princess. We
were all part of that cruise in Japan. Fifteen of
us arrived here and the good news is there's only
twelve of us left. The other three have gone home.

(09:38):
They have not become a statistic fantastic um. I want
to dive into how about the cruise. I want to
ask you some questions about that. But first off, how
are you feeling personally? How are you feeling right now? Today?
I'm feeling okay. I have a cost still, But if
this were you know, if I wasn't contagious, I would

(10:00):
have been back and work at work forty eight hours
after I hit the high fever and everything. So so
this I'm one of the lucky ones that ended up
getting a mild case of it. And it sounds like
about of the people who do get this have a
mild case. So you would have you think you would
have in the first forty eight hours, you probably would

(10:21):
have missed two days of work just based on how
you were feeling there, and then you would have gone
back to work. Yep. Absolutely, Wow, okay, Um, And yet
yet it's humbling because you know, we just learned there
are six deaths now in the United States. We had
six deaths on that from the Diamond Princess. We have
over seven hundred of us are now positive with the virus.

(10:45):
So we left a floating Petrie dish there. Wow, Carl,
thank you so much for sharing your story. Um. Can
you take us back to the cruise? Can you take
us um back on board the cruise? Is a couple
of weeks ago you were in China, I believe it was,
Is that what you said? Yeah, we actually never went

(11:06):
to China. I had bought a cruise on Princess, the
Diamond Princess from my wife for her birthday and Christmas.
We flew to Tokyo, Japan. The cruise was through Southeast Asia,
not going through China. We did stops in Hong Kong, Taiwan,
and Vietnam along with stops in Japan, and then it

(11:29):
was a fifth wonderful fifteen days. On the sixteenth day,
the last day of the cruise, we learned a passenger
had gotten off. He was a Chinese passenger, had gotten
off in Hong Kong and had tested positive four days
later with the coronavirus. The captain doubled his speed back

(11:49):
to our final destination of Yokohama. We anchored in the harbor.
Japanese health officials came on and announced that we would
be stuck there for twenty four hours, passed our scheduled departure.
So we scrambled and they change arrangements. Everything had full
use of the ship for those twenty four hours as
they went through testing everybody day. Then the next morning

(12:13):
we woke up and we're told over the loudspeaker that
we were now quarantine for fourteen days on the Diamond
Princess and could not leave our cabins. WHOA, you couldn't
leave the cabins. No, we were stuck in the cabins
for fourteen days. We ended up being there in their
twelve or fourteen before the US government flew us back

(12:37):
to the States. How big is your cabin? You know?
No complaints. We we've got a mini suite, and we've
traveled with two of our very close friends who had
a mini suite next to us, so they ended up
we had our balcony door unlocked between us, so we
were able to go back and forth. I met a couple.

(12:58):
I met a couple from Atlanta. They were in their eighties.
On one of our stops. Their grandson had given them
a gift of the cruise. The grandson, along with the
two the elderly couple and a friend of the grandsons,
was inside an inside cabin, probably about half the sides
of hours, no windows, no balcony. I talked to someone else.

(13:21):
They were there with two kids in an inside and
they imagine that. So anytime we started feeling even a
little bit sorry for ourselves, we just thought of their
plight and shut ourselves up. Well. Um, back to the
original person that had coronavirus, do they have any insight
as to where they would have got it or how

(13:43):
that person would have got it, and then they obviously
brought it on board. It might have been from one
of the stops you guys had. But have they clarified
any of that information, No, except they was Chinese so
and and of course back you've got to go back
to rewin the tape to January seventeen. When we first traveled,
the coronavirus was non news in the States. It was

(14:04):
the Chinese have been suppressing information. And when we got
to Tokyo they were about the people on the streets
were wearing masks. So I that was a little clue
for me to go on Google and see what was
going on. It wasn't until then that that the media
started to begin picking up information the Chinese. I had

(14:26):
had the Chinese been forthright with stuff early on, a
lot of this could have been contained a lot, a
lot better than it has been. Um, it's I mean,
it's it's retrospective. But do you believe if you would
have been aware of it, if that information would have
been out and present in the media in the US,
that you and your wife would have canceled your CRUs No.

(14:48):
I think we would still would have taken the cruise,
I think all of us would have been a little
more cautious. And I know it's particularly with the Japanese
health officials who were amazing. They would have Nitor and
anyone who was going on the cruise who had been
to China, so that that's how it could have been
sealed off. Um So as I understand that Carl, you

(15:11):
you have tested positive for coronavirus, but your wife Jerry
has not. Am I correct there? Yes, and that's what
so boys are so out of the four of us
now three of the four. Three of the four of
us have the coronavirus, my wife does not. The one
who first contacted the coronavirus was our friend who was
also named Jerry, Jerry Jorgensen. She was taken off the

(15:33):
ship two days before we left and was convalescing in
a hospital about four hours outside of Tokyo. She has
just been released from that hospital and is waiting for
a flight back to the States, which I believe will
be a couple of days away. It's so interesting, so
of the four of you, three tested positive and your

(15:54):
wife who was with you, all did not. I know,
It's really just totally baffling. Also the big healthiest of
all of us was Jerry Jorgensen. She's the first to
have gotten it. Her husband Mark was the reason they
did the swap test to begin with, because he's a
double kidney transplant. He didn't he didn't get the virus

(16:18):
until after we landed at Travis Air Force Space. He
did that twelve days of his quarantine and they tested
him to release him and he came out positive. Had
no signs of the virus. Yeah, no signs of the violence,
no fever, no cough, nothing. And has their experience been
like yours with the illness or were you the most

(16:39):
quote ill from it? No, the majority of people were
kind of like me, including Jerry Jorgensen. And do you
feel great and then all of a sudden you're hit
with a high fever In my case, we left the
ship we were on board. It was an experience to
get onto these two cargo seven forty seven's that the

(17:01):
military and State Department had set up in Tokyo. We're
an isolated, isolated part of the airport. We set on
buses without bathrooms for six hours. That was probably the
worst experience of this entire journey. And got on the
plane I went to sleep because we had been pulling
an all night or woke up two hours later and

(17:22):
realized I had a high fever. I went and checked it.
My wife looked at me and said, you're very flush,
and and I had known from Jerry Jordan's and that's
what chead experienced. The high fever for about eight hours
and then it disappeared. I went up to we We
didn't have any stewardesses on the plane. There were only
three Air Force personnel, all in hazmat suits. One was

(17:44):
a doctor, the other two medical personnel. They took my
temperature and confirmed that it was above a hundred and three,
and they put me in a quarantine area on the plane.
There were nine of us already in that eight others
in the quarantine are on the plane and we flew
then the rest of the way to Travis Air Force Space.

(18:06):
I buckled my seatbelt, fell asleep and slept for eight hours.
What's weird about the virus is unlike a cold, I
had no chills, no sweats with that higher fever. I
didn't have any sneezing, no sniffles. The only thing that
I have had then that started and has now stayed

(18:28):
with me as the dry cough. So you went from
the cruise to California to Travis air Force Space and
then they took you to Nebraska. Yeah, that was a
weird experience. So we landed at Travis. They were about
a hundred and fifty of us on the plane and
by the way, there are about three hundred and sixty
Americans on the ship. Four it by the time we left,

(18:50):
forty had already contact at the virus and we're in hospitals.
Like our friend Jerry Jorgensen twenty stupidly decided to stay
on the ship and we can talk about that later.
And then three hundred of us went on buses to
the Tokyo Airport and to transport cargo. Planes were there

(19:11):
for us. One went to Blackland, Texas outside of San Antonio,
and the one we were on ended up at Travis.
Who stay on the ship, Well, you want that, you're
gonna have to interview them. I call them, you know,
part of the stupid ones, because they there was no

(19:31):
reason for them to stay in the ship. Perhaps they
had a spouse in a Japanese hospital already and they
didn't want to leave. But but I know one couple
that just decided to stay on because we were talking
to them from balconies, and we said that was stupid
because the State Department in the U. S. Embassy had
sent us UH emails that said, hey, if you don't

(19:55):
get on board, if you don't get on the plane,
your quote on your own. There's no Yeah, so so
you that was just a stupid decision. What I understand
now is I believe Princess has chartered a plane that
will leave on March fourth, and so that's in two days.

(20:17):
But then there's no guarantee when they get back. What
the State Department cit C officials are going to do.
They may keep them quarantined in additional fourteen days when
they get back, even if they get on that plane. Um. Yeah,
our situation was, once we landed at Travis, we sat

(20:37):
there for about two hours. Some other people and has
met outfits got on, they checked everybody, decided that the
majority of people could get off the plane. So just
everybody except three of us who were in quarantine, got
off the plane. So you were in California, almost home, know,

(21:00):
just an hour flight from home, But then you had
to go to Nebraska to be quarantined. Correct, And where
is your wife. So that's a good question. My wife
is actually en route right now back to California. They
released her today and she'll land this evening and uh
get to be home. She's she's been negative this whole time. Yea,

(21:23):
somebody needs to be don't you guys have a puppy
or a dog at home? Yeah, we've got two dogs.
And more importantly, we owned the local radio station in
Santa Greena so and we're hands on owners. So being
away now since January seventeen has been a real challenge.
But our staff has pulled up their sleeves. They've been unbelievable.

(21:43):
I started writing a blog about my third day into
quarantine and posting it. Well, that's how I found you
was through the article I think you did for the
Washington Post, and it was it was very well written
and it was a great article. That's how I tracked
you down because you were so transparent and about your
experience with the virus. Right and they they you have

(22:05):
the Washington Post article. We've been been with our blogs
on KHTS on hometown station dot com. I've been a
little lighter with it during the humorous side to all this,
trying to make lemonade of lemons. This is you know,
this is experience that's out of our control. You can
only live for the day to day and and take

(22:26):
what we have on a daily basis. And I think
that's that's the way I've tooked with it. Can I
ask you in your opinion, what's the worst part about this,
the actual illness or the quarantine. I think the quarantine
for me being away from home and not now not
even look out my window, and I guess it's snowed

(22:49):
a little here in Omaha, but night I missed that,
but I haven't been able to step outside, and so
that that's part of it. I'm hooked up to the
internet obviously, my I'm talking to you on my iPhone,
so I'm still plugged into the rest of the world.
It's and I have a television set in years you
can watch the newsn Who is who is a better

(23:12):
speaking voice? Me or Brooks? Do you know what you
guys are gonna have to wait. You're gonna have to
wait for me to get back to your studio. I'll
give you a full analysis questions. Will Gavin and Brooks
hug you? Yes, yeah, we'll do the Japanese bowing for

(23:35):
quite a while. Okay, Yeah, Also, uh, Carl, we'd love
to have you come into the studio when you're back
in California to your health. That would be a fingerfoods only,
no sinks, no pull I will wear my hts have
matt suit. Gavin is very brave. I feel like he

(23:57):
might share a straw with you. Carl, would you sure
a shake? Yeah? I'm not worried about this at all. Exactly.
Gavin's not worried about this at all. I think it's
I've been following it from the first time the media
mentioned it. I'd fascinated, super calm about it. I was
like Gavin a week ago, and last night I ordered

(24:18):
a ten pound bag of rice I don't know why,
a hundred gloves, and I'm trying to get pure l
but it's so it's literally sold out everything. I have
some of the house amylium scouching. You can't do that, Carl. Yeah, Carl,
what are you gonna do when you get back to
what do you think we need to do? Yeah? In

(24:40):
all seriousness, I've been recommending a few things. Number One,
purchase a good digital thermometer, because that's going to be
the best comfort tool you could possibly have. The people
who I've been exposed to hear and from other stories
have the similar thing of that high fever jump up
from nowhere, and and so if you have the sniff

(25:04):
almos or sneeze, you don't want to freak out over that,
and the thermometer is going to be the best tool.
The other thing I've learned through this and reading and
talking to C d C folks is this virus, like
other viruses, doesn't do well in the heat, which is
a good thing in southern California because it's going to
get warm soon. But so what I've been doing is

(25:24):
drinking warm water all the time. The other thing I
know from the homeopathic side is ginger pushes the body
temperature up. So I'm doing tea with ginger in it
and then walking around exercising to keep my body temperature.
Gonna have to go to Mexico to hear to the coronavirus. Yeah, yeah, Um, Carl,

(25:45):
I have a question for you. Can I take you
back to when you first found out that you had
tested positive for coronavirus? What was your what was your
initial reaction, what was your like anxiety with like, oh
my god, I have tested positive for coronavirus. What was
that initial reaction? Like A great question? Sure, Well, when

(26:07):
Jerry Jorgensen tested positive for it and they removed her
to Fukushima, we my wife and I. My wife, Jerry
and I decided to take the swab test there on
the spot. They came up and gave us swap tests,
so that was two days before we left. We never
got the results of those swab tests. In fact, I
didn't get those those and catch up to me to

(26:29):
about four or five days ago. Turns out that was positive,
but I didn't know about it until I came to Omaha.
They gave me a test. They have a lab here
in Omaha, so we got the results four or five
hours later and they told me I was positive. By
the time I had the fever on the plane, I
knew psychologically I had the virus, so that would be

(26:53):
the first time and I needed For Jerry Jorgensen, it
was an easy situation for her, so I kind of
felt the same way. I was exhausted and with the
high fever, I fell asleep, so I I it didn't
impact me psychologically. When I got to Omah, they gave
me the test when they came back four or five

(27:14):
hours later and said, you're positive. I would have actually
been surprised if I was negative. So I think I
had psyched myself out the other way. So it wasn't
that bad and experience. By then, three passengers had already
been tested positive on the Diamond Princess, so more than
almost half. So at least a third of the passengers

(27:35):
tested positive. And when the question when you were by
the time you were uh, kind of going through your
your fever and realizing that you had this virus, did
you already sort of know the statistics as far as
what the mortality rate was and that type of inst survival, right, yes,

(27:58):
And and all the macities at that time were elderly
people with pre existing conditions, so I didn't feel that
that threatened even the ones in the United States right now,
the six who have died are all coming from that
that one senior home. So so again, the other interesting
thing is today the CDC said, with all the cases

(28:20):
out there, there's no documentation of young kids having Yeah,
they say that, you know, kids are a walking cesspool
of germs and re spewing the cells all the time,
and they must have some kind of resistance to this
that adults do not have. There's also they aren't sure

(28:41):
if you can get a second time. Correct, they're looking
into that, right, if you've had it once and then
if you've if you've survived that. I don't believe they're
sure yet whether or not you can acquire the virus again.
They're assuring us that we can go many months without
getting it, will be immune for for many months, but
is no guarantee, just like the yeah, the reality is, yeah,

(29:04):
the reality is they don't know that much about the virus.
I landed and was put in this bio containment area
that was like a scene out of out of a movie.
And and uh I they couldn't give me an even
an antibiotic. They gave me one day of ib profin
and a lot of Gate and a lot of gatorade.

(29:25):
Gatorade And wait, are they letting you take pictures of
where your blog and we will follow at home? Is
a hometown station dot com? Yes it is, and yes
I've been taking pictures. I got busted one day and
I understand that I took a picture of a nurse
in the in their hasma. The nurses and doctors here

(29:46):
by the way I've been unbelievable, But being the media
guy I am, I made sure she was turned around
so she couldn't be identified. And then and I posted
that on our blog about the second day, I was
in the biop entertainment area and and uh, yeah, they
busted me and said, up, that's a no now. So
I promised not to do that anymore. In fact, I

(30:08):
was doing you know. That's so I purposely not doing
that and honoring their request because they've been they've just
been stellar. Here did you tell her? I? Did you
tell her that if she didn't want pictures taken, she
shouldn't have warned. Such a hot has met suits around you?
Exactly exactly. Gavin can find the humor in literally anything, Carl,

(30:32):
literally anything. Gavin, You're such a talented person. I in
my blog the other day, thank you an original. I
thought this was an original thing, but I guess it's
already been done. But but the song my Sharona, so yeah,
weird ol should be doing my corona. That's perfect. Can

(30:57):
you maybe before we hang up, you good saying a
line or tune for me that would make my day?
How can you tell Carl? No? Is that? How the
Beatlet me let me ask you a question, a serious

(31:17):
question that sounds like a joke, but it's a real question.
Go for it. Will you ever eat from a salad
bar again? This is a real question. You know. People
are asking either emailing me and saying, we'll have a
cruise again, And absolutely I would cruise. Yes, I would
do a salad bar when we get back. Well, you
know we're not gonna do that. California hugs and kisses

(31:39):
will be a joke around during the Japanese bowing. But
but no, we'll get you know, all of us will
get through this, absolutely, and at some point, at some point,
whether it's you know, twelve months, eighteen months, twenty four months,
they'll find a vaccine for this or some kind of
cure and this will become a distant memory, like the

(32:03):
gas shortage during the Jimmy Carter administration. Oh I remember it,
I do. I remember which you had to get gas
on your based on your license plate? Aging myself too.
I follow this very closely. The more I see media
and watch this, I reminded of the movie Contagion. I've
been thinking about Outbreak, remember that way. Have you guys

(32:25):
seen Contagion? And even in contagion. The wife dies of
the disease. I think it's Gwyneth Paltrow. She dies of
the disease. But the husband, Matt Damon, doesn't get it.
Was he immune? He was immune. So somehow the daughter,
what I'm thinking, Carl's wife, somehow has an immunity. Her
immune system is just like exceptional monster. Well, look, the

(32:52):
ship was a walking Petrie dish, as I said. And
what's so pervasive about this virus is as was the
truth for me. I went were five days being positive
because I got the Japanese results back, as I said,
for long after I was already in Omaha, and that
also said I was positive. So I walked around the

(33:12):
ship for four or five three days whatever that is
being positive. And and uh I could touch touch a railing.
And apparently the buck and the Germans can live for two, three,
four or five hours on a surface. So that's how
the ship, that's how the ship passed everything on that.

(33:33):
You know that ground zero guy that got off in
Hong Kong, he was all over the ship. And you
could touch a railing, go in an elevator, go on,
you know, walk on deck. That's a movie because that
patient zero was passing it and passing it and then
and that's how it just goes. Carl. We're so happy
you're doing well though, Thank you so much. Absolutely, What

(33:59):
do you think is like some because some people stateside
here are really buying into this and some people aren't.
What do you think of the media coverage and the
response to this because to miss, to me, this is
very real, this is exceptionally real. You're a case of that.
But do you think the media has overblown it or
underplayed at that we're underestimating what this virus could potentially become. Well,

(34:21):
I think, first of all, social media is a disaster,
and there's so much misinformation on there and hysteria that
doesn't need to exist. I think the media now is
beginning to do a good job of it as I
get a better understanding of it. I think they I
think both President Trump might might parents and all the

(34:42):
c d C and all the government officials now are
staying totally on top of this, And you see that
from the news and the press conferences. We're seeing it
from the way the c d is operating with us
on the inside, that they're taking this very very seriously,
that they've gotten a jump on this, but there's still
so many unknown answers. There's no guarantee that this isn't

(35:05):
going to become a major outbreak out there out here
in the States. The good news is it looks like
only two of the people getting it are dying or fatalities,
and most of those are elderly or have a pre
existing condition. So even with a major outbreak here, it's

(35:27):
not going to be that horrendous. Accept if the you know,
if a significant portion of the population gets it and
two percent or dying, that's a significant number. We don't
want anyone to be dying. Carl Um, thank you so much.
I just want to say thank you. I mean the
the amount of the amount of stress and things that
you have going on in your life that you came
on to share your story to enlighten our listeners and

(35:50):
share some valuable information on how to maybe protect ourselves
and what to be aware of of this virus which
has now become very prominent in media. Um, we can't
thank you enough, and we just want to send you
all the love and prayers and thoughts for a speedy
recovery and hope you get back home to your wife
and your radio station very soon and your dog just
sending you nothing but love, my friend. We appreciate you

(36:10):
so much. Thank you, guys. I'll take you up. I'll
take you up on your offer in the studio, Gavin,
you start practicing my corking. Hey, I got one more,
one more food question for you, because you were in
Japan and now you're in Omaha. Kobe or wegg you um,

(36:31):
I would say, and you pronounced it Kobe. I thought
it was Kobe. Kobe. Gavin's Vin, Carl, Carl. Gavin is
very much a foodie. He's been eating this sandwich the
whole time we've been doing this interview the entire time.
I'm not going to tell you the brand of sandwich,

(36:52):
but it rhymes with a Jersey Mike. Carl, Thank you, Carl,
thank you much, wishing you all the best and sending
thanks so much. And we got you, buddy, Thank you,
thank you. Okay, back from break. That was an amazing

(37:17):
discussion with Carl. Wow, that was that was so real.
And when actually going through a quarantine, I mean on
top of the an illness, like the actual quarantine factors,
I would have a panic attack. That would be worse
for me than the actual being sick. Yeah. Um so,
now I want to we have another guest, he's been
on the show before. We have Dr Todd with us.

(37:39):
Dr Todd, welcome back to the show, buddy, Hello, thank you.
Um so, Yeah, we wanted to get you on to
follow up the discussion from carl Um to give us
some insight from a from a medical, a qualified medical standpoint,
because Gavin just gave his insight on this, on this coronavirus,
and I don't know how reputable that is, but that's

(38:00):
why we wanted to have you come on. Dr Todd.
Can you give us your insight to what you know
so far about the coronavirus? Sure. I mean there's a
lot of information out there that people are trying to digest,
and at this point, it seems like the social disruption
that's being caused by this is probably greater than the

(38:21):
disruption to human beings health. It's not to say that
this is not trying to be a minimize er, but
when we look at the total number of cases that
have been documented, it's not a huge number, yet it
very well could become a huge number. And if there
were in fact the two to three death rate, in

(38:42):
particular in people who are chronicallyerly elderly. That and everybody
in the world was inspected. It could lead to some
very high numbers the world's population were in fact, it
could lead to some very high numbers absolute numbers. Um.
But right now, you know, really what we're looking at is,
you know, let's say a D eighties total cases that

(39:05):
have been documented. We don't know exactly how many cases
there have been me and the denominator could be quite
a bit larger than and so therefore the death rate
could actually be lower than two. We just don't know yet.
That number is still fluid. But there's been a lot
of discussion of this, a lot of headlines, and people

(39:26):
are pretty wrapped up. So is it crazy that I
was totally calm and then last night I had the
tipping point and I ordered a ten pound bag of rice.
I don't know why, because somebody else was buying rice.
Then I ordered pasta gloves non latex because I'm allergic
to latex and pure l. Like I've gone off the rails,

(39:46):
Like what am I doing? I don't know what that
you're a prepper. I don't know if it's in fact
crazy to be prepared. But it's not that this is
going to be a natural disass I think in a
work earthquake, not the coronavirus. Maybe I'm with you though,

(40:10):
like I'm thinking about this. If this starts going wild,
I'm going to our lake house and to contained and
I can fish, and I can hunt, and I can live.
It's a big sting, Okay, So why is everyone buying rice?
Is that just so that if we're like at home
we have food? What is the right? Why am I
buying rice? I literally just called the gang at show

(40:32):
time because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing.
Dr Todd, you know, there are no recommendations about rice
at the CDC that I have seen that. Speaking of fluid,
how is this thing spread exactly? So it's a respiratory virus.
So typically it's spread by aerosol particles, meaning and when

(40:54):
you cough or sneeze that those viral particles are suspended
in the air and then they land on surfaces and
people will put their hand on them and then often
touch their mouth or their eyes or put their finger
in their nose or whatever it might be, and get
a viral load that way. Either might be that someone

(41:15):
costs your sneezes in your general vicinity, and there's some
particles to spend it in the air and you inhale
them and they take seat in your respiratory extract for instance,
that there was a doctor who died in China and
he probably experienced an extraordinarily high viral load because he
was a round a bunch of these sick people, didn't
know what it was, and was constantly inhaling numerous particles.
And that's the hypothesis. Um, you just the hand sanitizer

(41:41):
all over our hands? Is that doing anything? I would say?
You know, I can't comment because I don't know the
specific hand fantizers. The Typically, the recommendations we're making are
that if you were to get on the plane or
you were going to go to a restaurant and you
wanted to wipe down the table you were sitting out
with an alcohol swap and wash your hands before eating,

(42:02):
that would probably a really good idea. Um, there are
some recommendations out there. People are recommending against avoiding um
dense crowded places like subways, but that is not a
recommendation from the CDC as of yet. Okay, how about
me up for disease control. And how about what's your

(42:22):
opinion of people walking around who are not infected walking
around with little medical masks on. I'm told from people
that that's simply silly because the first of all, don't
know how to wear the masks begin with UH, and
it's not they're not sealing it properly, etcetera. What is
your opinion on that, because I just get a lot
of hearsaye from people there. I mean, again, I don't

(42:46):
think that wearing a mask, a non well fitting mask,
is really going to prevent you from getting uh this
respiratory illness um. The mask that me to be that
really we think do the best job are these really
tightly fitted masks are very hard to breathe, and they're
not really incatible with wearing for a long period of

(43:09):
time or walking around with and these massive You see
people maybe it gives them a sense of security, but
I have not seen any recommendations anywhere that those are
gonna be helpful for the general population. If you were
sick and you were wearing one because you wanted to
minimize if you were coughing or sneezing, they might actually
help with that. But I don't think that the reverse

(43:31):
is true. And I haven't seen any recommendations suggesting anywhere
that that is anything other than people trying to assuage
their anxiety. Because because I put one of those masks
on about a week ago, a friend of mine gave
me one. It was black, it looked really cool. It
made me feel like a ninja, but made me feel
like made you feel like Baine or feel like Baine
from the Dark Knight Rises? Yes, Dr Todd? Are you

(43:54):
going to the movies? And are you going to the
grocery store? And are you going out to dinner like
everybody else? What are you do it? Yeah? So I
I am always finding my tendency to be a minimizer
um and I'm fighting it in this capacity. So yes,
I do still plan to travel. I do plan to

(44:14):
still to go out until I hear recommendations otherwise. And
people are asking me, well, what do you think could happen?
I mean, hypothetically, I could go to a destination and
there's a high number of cases and flights from that
destination to my home could be delayed or restricted, so

(44:34):
I might get stuck somewhere. But personally, as a healthy
person without chronic respiratory disease. My personalness of worry about
myself is not terribly high. Um, if I had if
I was elderly with multiple medical problems, multi system, organ failure, etcetera,
and I was thinking of taking an elective vacation, I

(44:54):
might think about delaying it. You know, but I've had
people get real sick traveling for elderly in a time
when this wasn't present. So you know, it is just
being around a lot of people and multiple disease papages
that is that puts people at risks. So I'm not
taking any travel precautions at this time or isolation precautions
because there are any recommendations to support that. All right,

(45:17):
Another question? Alright, this sounds silly, but if this is
a real question, I always I always ask about food. Question.
So there are some high end restaurants that fly in
uh seafood or fish from Japan? Right would you order
sushi from one of those types of restaurants? Right now?

(45:41):
I would? I? I again, I mean, just thinking about
it intellectually and making medical decisions the way I always
make them, I would. I mean one of my patients
went to an ethnic restaurant that's notorious for cooking and
with high salt, and he called me worried that he
might get coronavirus, and the truth of the truth of
the answers, he was likely to go into hard failure

(46:02):
load and he was of you know, developing a viral
infection from you know, being in this ethnic restaurant. So again,
I would not have a problem eating sushi flown in
from Japan or you know, the same respect. Because I

(46:23):
know this is gonna sound crazy for most of you listening.
You're going to roll your eyes, but some people don't know.
I ordered this ring, see this new ring from and
three of them, big old one, and in the envelope
it came from the People's Republic of China, and I
am wearing it because you cannot get coronavirus from a

(46:43):
ring that came through the mail, right, I washed it.
I know that you can't. You should have seen John
Oliver last night doing the funny, weird questions that people
are asking because they just don't know. I heard stocks
for Corona beer plummeted. You can't fix about the ring.

(47:03):
I do not think that that ring is right if
you wanted to swab it with alcohol I live dangerous.
Dr Todd, I just wore it. Yeah, Jr. Tod, I
have I have a question for you. Um, Sure, the
thing that scares me about this isn't so much the virus.
It sounds to be like a common flu of flu

(47:25):
kind of thing. It sounds like most people overcome it.
So it's not the virus so much that really scares me,
but it's how easily it's transmitted that really disturbs me. Um,
do you think that we, and by we, the c
d C in general, everybody in general, all the doctors,
the specialists on this truthfully have an understanding of this virus?

(47:48):
And I believe someone in your practice is an infectious
disease doctor as well. Do they think that we we
truly know what this is? Like, Hey, it is exactly
what it's shown to be, or is this still very
much unpred I would say that it is predictable. Um.
It is a novel coronavirus, meaning we know a lot
about the coronavirus strain which causes the common cold. This

(48:11):
is a more a typical coronavirus, and we've seen things
like SARS or MIRVs, systemic inflammatory response syndrome, etcetera. That
that are related to these type of viruses. So we
are used to the way virus is spread and this one,
you know why, it's a little more virulent in inflammatory.

(48:32):
I don't think I know the answer to that yet. Um,
but but I'm not I don't know. I don't want
to speak out of school here because I don't think
we know everything there is to know about this yet.
But it's not provided behaving an unpredictable way. Could say. So,
we had carl On moments ago who was on the
Princess cruise and he has coronavirus and is in quarantined

(48:56):
in Nebraska. So Daniel is kind of pulling up the numbers.
But I think he said there was seven people on
the ship and three hundred tested positives. Oh, seven hundred
Americans and three hundred tested positive something like that. Is
that similar to if there was a flu or? Is
this spread quicker and stronger and faster? Does that question

(49:17):
make sense? Or would if it for influenza A would
that many people have it in close quarters like that
on a cruise? You know, I I don't know the
answer to that, because I also I don't know how
many of the absolute number of people that were on
that ship. What proportion. I mean, there's certainly have been
epidemics in the past on cruise ships people in close quarters. Um,

(49:41):
but you know, seven hundred people have just imagined there's
both doesn't have fifty people, and maybe it's a couple
of thousand. It does seem like a pretty high penetration
that people would you know that people are getting sick
at a pretty high rate. Let's say it's if there's
people on the ship. UM. I think, just to clarify
for our audience, I think I got the numbers wrong,

(50:01):
But just for the sake of the conversation, let's pretend
it's I'm close. Yeah. I mean again, there's about eighty
five thousand or so cases worldwide right now, maybe a
few more. You know, there's forty five thousand cases or
so in China. I think I have to look at
the numbers are changing so quickly. Those are not huge

(50:24):
absolute numbers, and it's been around since the end of December. Um.
But I not to say that this isn't contagious. It's
very contagious. But is it behaving in an unpredictable or
more virulent way? I don't think I could say that
with confidence right now, Um, what about this Dutch? Do
this like the birth of a new virus fascinates me,

(50:44):
Like how that comes into our world just fascinates me.
Do you have any knowledge or understanding on how a
new virus begins? Well a lot of times I I do.
I do. It's sell my expertise. But there are spontaneous mutations, right,
that's just evolution that you believe in that which I
tend to um that DNA DNA mutation, you know, new

(51:08):
new life, you know, new versions of things happen. That's
how viruses or humans or any or living organisms evolved
through DNA mutations. And then the second is that you
might have a virus that's more common in another animal
species that then becomes infectious in human mammals. And so

(51:29):
like the correct yes, I don't want to go too
much further into that because I just don't have the
expertise to really everything. And we're all trapped in this
room and Daniel's coughing, have here, dude out here. It's
also just being being having the title of a doctor.
We just like, look at you that you know everything

(51:49):
that you know everything about all of this. Do you
just put us at ease with whatever you say. Well,
I I am. I I will say that I have
been feeling a lot of questions, and part of the
reason I was interested in having this form is actually
to have a somewhat rational conversation about this and not
to minimize and say I'm not worried, not to say

(52:10):
that I don't think this is a big deal, because
I do think it's a big deal. But you know,
does it warrant lines at costco? I don't think so.
I don't think so. I don't know if that's the
right answer to this, UM And I think that the
idea is that, look, if we are in a situation
where the diseases spreading rapidly in communities and people can't

(52:31):
necessarily get the supplies that they need, they should have
adequate supplies so that they may not have to run
out to the market for toilet paper or something like
that anyone needs. So I have a question, right, I
have a question. So years ago there was not that
many years ago, wasn't there a version of coronavirus in
the Mediterranean that killed Actually the more taliate was like
incredibly high, um and it was around right, and so

(52:57):
why didn't we hear about that at all, Uh when
and that was happening, and and the and the death
rate was so high, but we're hearing about this. It
was a death rate that's so utterly low. I think
that this one tended to go further faster than the
MERV which is UM which is what you're referring to,

(53:19):
and the r S And I just think that that
one dwindled a little bit faster. The numbers were declining
pretty quickly. Like the virus came into bloom. It affected
a bunch of people that have just sort of disappeared.
This one seems to be spreading in the community. UM
cases are popping up. We're not really sure how you

(53:39):
know it's not it doesn't it's not magic. I mean,
somehow the virus is traveling and in facting different communities
and people. I don't know if it's I just don't know.
I think it's about fourteen days that people are potentially
incubating this. But again there's probably I don't know what

(53:59):
the person you were speaking to on the phone before me,
but I don't know what their experienced with the virus was.
But I imagine they're talking to you. He has the coronavirus.
What was his new this is just an end of one.
What were his explanation of the symptoms, Like he basically said, it's, uh,
he's feeling fine one day and then uh, you know,

(54:21):
the next day, suddenly he has a fever, like an
eight hour long high fever. And then after this he
slept through it essentially, and it woke up and it
had subsided and a bit of a persistent cough. Yeah.
But I mean, I was actually quite fascinated by it
because it sounded it sounded, or at least seemed like
the quarantine was the worst part of the illness, not

(54:43):
the illness itself. So but but of course, you know,
obviously precautions have to have to be taken, but you know,
from everything that he was saying, it really sounded more
like the quarantine is ultimately the worst part of the
illness if you if you don't die from it, right
and right, and so there's not a high penetrant of
you know, like a lot of people are comparing this

(55:05):
to the influenza epidemic, and that was obviously at a
different time in history where we had less medical technology,
we knew less about infectious disease. We had less therapies
at our disposal. People were living in a little bit
more densely populated areas, especially in cities, there might be
eighteen people living in one and two room households. Um

(55:29):
this one. I do think that the social component of it.
In the digital age, where there's a really rapid dissemination
of information, that twenty news cycle, it's hard to verify.
Facts are kind of from a lot of different places.
I think that people are, you know, I mean, the
social contagion and element of this is actually pretty interesting.
I mean, if you think about it from an evolutionary

(55:49):
perspective of your ancestors heard about something going down in
the village a couple of miles away that was killing
you know, five ten percent of the people, they would
want to isolate themselves from that village and not let
people either go to the village or come visit from
that villa. And that that is a natural instinct of
human beings. It's about self preservation. And I think we're

(56:10):
just seeing this on speed basically, like it's happening is
so fast, and people don't really know how to react
to the news. I don't always know how to react
to the news. And I'm constantly fact checking stuff, constantly
getting questions. So part of that is I think right now,
the disruption that we're seeing to the fabric of society
as a result of this is probably more significant than

(56:33):
the actual illness. Would go on to say that, you know,
maybe there there could be if people will doomsday thinkers
are like, well, are we prepared for an illness of
effects to percent of the population brands among ventilators. I
think that would be hard to imagine that we are
prepared for that because it would be so unprecedented. And
another question, Um, so this is just just for compare

(56:56):
compared comparison's sake, um so versus influenza, just the common
the flu as we knew it. Um what percentage of
the of of people who get infected from the flu
dive versus what percentage versus this coronavirus. Yeah, I think,

(57:17):
if I'm not mistaken, I think that it's around point
six percent of documented influenza. UM is approximately what it is.
And the numbers for this are between two I've heard
between you know, I would say one to two percent,
and let's just say, let's say call it two to

(57:38):
three percent. So that's you know, a couple hundred times
higher the multiple you know, four acts of influenza. Um.
But you know also the number of people that have
influenza currently is much higher than the number of people
who have this. I want to ask you one more question, Todd,
Dr Todd Um. And this is a little bit far

(57:59):
out there. I'll even preface it with this, this is
my mind. This is a little bit far out there.
But I believe the word the Earth has about I
think roughly almost eight billion people on it today, and
I believe that we are putting so much pressure on
the Earth and it's finite resources. There's only so much food,

(58:20):
there's only so much water. I believe we're just putting
so much pressure on the Earth and that population continues
to grow and grow that I believe at some point
the Earth is going to push back and that something
is going to always have just believed this for like
ten years, that something is going to come around and
just push back against the rapid expansion of population on

(58:43):
the Earth. And so when something like this comes up,
I actually get scared. I'm like, what could this be?
That thing? And this is just in my brain right,
this is this isn't so this is just a thought
I have. But I can't see us as humans continuing
to put so much pressure on the Earth and it's
finite resources with the Earth pushing back at some point.
Does that have any relevance in your mind? Are you

(59:04):
just like Brooks? You crazy? You're crazy Canadian? Huh No.
I think that there is a natural balance to populations.
I think that makes a lot of sense. And I
think that with dense populations of human beings, the likelihood
of rapid spread of an infectious disease is more likely.

(59:28):
And as the population density of the Earth increases, than
the likelihood of spread of disease increases, and it is possible.
I don't think that this cv I D s v
I D nineteen is the doomsday virus. But you can
imagine a much more virulent virus than this that has
a you know, really that's a respiratory virus that causes

(59:49):
pneumonia and death. And if that's ten or fatality rate
across all population, independent of comorbidity, its something like that
is not beyond It's not beyond my imagination. But I
don't think that that's what this is. But but you
can see how something expects quickly around the world. Yeah, yeah,

(01:00:12):
so yeah, I just I feel that's in the realm
of possibility. I don't think I'm crazy with that. You've
been watching too much walking I've never Walking dead, thinking
about walking Dead, I'm very prepared for the zombie apocalypse,
but not that. See I I I disagree in some ways.
I mean, I understand the that angle. I think it's
an interesting angle, but there's there's a couple of holes

(01:00:35):
in that. In that I feel like if we double
the population, will have twice as many geniuses to figure
out the problem, and and and twice as many people
can come like adding to the problem with litter, with waste,
with not recycling. But I view I view the genius
and an industry as the as a solution. Um. But

(01:00:59):
you know, other guys, you know, what are we gonna do.
You're gonna throw your phone out, You're gonna get rid
of your electric car. I mean, you know what I mean.
So until we're all ready to do that, which I'm not, um,
then I say, let's get let's increase the population with
geniuses so we could solve the problems. Dr Todd, I
want to thank you for coming on. Man, We're losing

(01:01:21):
gab here not not a problem. I hope that this
was helpful and very useful information to anybody who's listening.
Thank you so much, man, look forward to seeing you
be well. Thanks a lot. Thanks helpful doctors only wanted
him to help all of us. That's my point. Thank you,

(01:01:41):
take care of good bye bye. So we're reaching out
to Rick. Rick, we got you on buddy. Where you
at you there, Rick? What's up? Brooks? I am actually
on a work trip right now in Dubai, United Arab
Emirates country. I've never been before but always wanted to go,
and it's pretty amazing. Actually, then, is it the You're

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right in du buy the city of Dubai. Yes, I
am in the city of Dubai currently. So I am
in the it's actually the city that I'm in. The
area of the city that I'm in, Dubai is called
the Internet City, which is where all the tech companies
are located. So I'm working on a job right now
with one of my clients in the tech center, sort
of like Silicon Valley. Rick. So when you look at

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your window right now, what do you see. I actually
have a pretty decent hotel room and I'm looking onto
Palm Island, so I'm stay seeing the water. Um. It's
a beautiful country, super warm, it's very pleasant right now.
But I'm looking out on Palm Island, which is sort
of the famous man made islands that they created where

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you can buy homes, and it looks like a giant
palm from the sky. It's pretty cool. Okay, So tell
me about traveling there. What was it like at the
airport when you left San Francisco and what was it
lie when you arrived? And like, we're referencing coronavirus, so
did you see people in mass like describe when you
left to travel internationally and when you got there? Yeah, no,

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poem um. So I actually flew out of Los Angeles.
So I took a regular flight from Oakland to Los
Angeles l a X. And I came on a direct
flight from l a X to Dubai. And I was
tracking coronavirus. I travel a lot for workbooks and and
I was tracking the coronavirus quite a bit, and it

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was still in sort of the infancy stages that in
the U S and sort of abroad aside from the
obvious areas of like China and South Korea and iran Um,
and right before I left, I was tracking everything on
like my in the UAE area, and I was looking
at they had the UAE and Dubai had actually banned

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all flights from iran So to and from i ran
Um Tehrans especially, and so that was a little concerned
for me. But when I got to l A x
Um kind of did my normal, you know, walk through
the airport, did everything. People were wearing masks, but nothing
nothing like I would say probably ten percent of the

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people were wearing masks. It wasn't where I was expecting
everybody to wear masks or every and I was not
wearing a mask at the time, but everything was just
a little bit more heightened. So wherever I was going,
I'm I'm sort of antial anyway, as you know, but
I was sort of you know, I always washed my hands,
I always looked for the clean feed, I always looked

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for areas in the airport that maybe cleaning than others.
And so that to me is more heightened than it
ever had been before. So I was continually washing my hand.
I was looking at the people that I was standing around,
looking to me, what I could be sneezing or coughing,
like heightened on that side of things. So it was
it was it was a little nerve Vackum. To be

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honest with you, Rick, how are you feeling right now?
Being that you're in another country, you're not back at home?
Are you scared? How you feeling right now? Um? I
feel actually, you know what? I feel pretty good. Um. Again,
I'm sort of just continuing to watch the news. I'm
watching the I'm reading a lot of news articles right

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now and kind of like how to prevent it, how
to you know, maintain things are really sort of like
being in check with my body. How do I feel? Um?
Being here? I feel fine, I feel great. Um. I
don't see that anybody here is super concerned about I
mean there, I went to the mall or because I
had some downtime. Um, there's a really cool mall in

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Durvide where they have like the indoor skiing thing. I'm sure, Gavin,
you're a skier, so that would be something that you
would be doing. Um. But I didn't notice many people
wearing masks. And there was a certain point while I
was at that mall that I was kind of sitting
there and I was walking around, and all of a
sudden they got later on in the afternoon, I eat

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munch there and more people flooding into the mall, and
I was like, you know, what of all the things
that are the checklist that thinks of what not to
do for basically to catch the coronavirus, I was basically doing.
I was traveling out along are Airline International for sixteen hours.
I was you know, in ubers, in public transportation. UM.

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I was staying in a hotel, which I had never
stayed that before, so I'm not sure the cleanliness of
that or how they you know, it was obviously a rated,
nicely rated hotel. I was going into large public areas
which were basically like a mall. Um And so once
I started to feel that or acknowledge that internally with myself,
like on the first day, because I had kind of

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an off day, I started peeling it all back. So
I was like, you know what I'm gonna I'm not
gonna go out and look anymore. If I had through town.
I'm just because I really sort of started like I mean,
I think quarantines maybe a little extreme of or word,
but I sort of like started quarantining my self and
just hanging out in my hotel, just doing certain things.
I was washing my hands every time I would come

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back up from breakfast or i'd have lunch, I'd washed
my hands obviously before I washed my my hands after.
I was paying attention to the silver ware that was
being you know, the plates that were putting down in
front of me, because I'm eating out every single time, right,
so I was really paying attention and I am paying
attention to everything that I'm like doing, and it's really annoying,
quite frankly. It's it's it sucks because you don't realize

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how many times you pick up your phone and your
phone's in your pocket, your phone's on the seat in
the cab, your phone's on the airline seat, um, and
you're touching your phone constantly, and then you're grabbing like
a piece of bread and dipping it into the the
hummus or the able all we're eating it. And it's
like those all things that because of this outbreak, which
is very unfortunate going on. Um, I'm paying attention to

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looked on on this trip. So it's crazy, Rick, Man,
I appreciate you calling this, dude. I know, I know
you have a lot going on over there, but just
work wise, but also just taking the time to chat
with us about this. My friend, I stay safe, travel
safe and and get home. Well, buddy, we miss you,
Eastern Uh can you call Hanna now? So Hannah used

(01:08:15):
to intern with us, a young lady over in Spain studying,
and we're gonna get her take on this coronavirus and
what's going on in her life right after the break, Hannah,
are you there? We miss you? Are you there? Hello?
How are you guys? How are you? So? Tell us

(01:08:37):
what's happening? Oh my god, it's kind of like a nightmare,
and I kind of feel like the world is and
then because everything is so chaotic, like everyone has masks
on the airport, on the streets, like everyone's freaking out.
It's just such a nightmare. So, Hanna, you're in Spain
right now. Can you give us little insight to what
it's like over there. That's actually not the worst here

(01:09:01):
right now. But I flew back from France this morning,
and in the time that I was on the plane
for an hour and a half, there had been twelve
new cases. Because I like refresh my web page every
twenty seconds to see how many people have it, and
it went at by twelve people in an hour and
a half. Thank so, what's the plan? You don't know

(01:09:21):
when you're coming home or what's happening. No, so, our program,
the program I'm with, keeps emailing us and saying that
basically will be recommended to go home if it reaches
a level two, which means over two hundred cases, and
right now it's a little over a hundred, So as

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of now we're staying here um and then if it
reaches a level three, we like have to go home.
But our program just has to figure out how we
can complete our classes or else all the classes that
we're taking we don't get credit for, and that would
put all the these kids that are brought like a
whole semester behind. So our program has to figure that out,

(01:10:05):
and they're scrambling and like everyone's panicking. It's such a nightmare.
How's your how's your little Hannah? Is our little Hanna
and she gets a little anxious. How's your anxiety about
it all? Oh my gosh, Amy, you would literally be
so proud of me. I'd go in elevators, I explained,
and I and my anxiety has been so good. I

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think I needed this experience to come abroad. And I
feel like I'm the most chill out of all my
friends here about the whole thing, because I know my
parents were so proud of me, and they follow me
this weekend, so they were like, you're growing up, so
you feel pretty safe and are you doing any like
are you wearing a mask or gloves or what are

(01:10:46):
you doing over here? I have a mask, Um. I
wore it like through the airport and on the plane,
just because there's so many people there, and I have
like handwipes, but I wiped my hands with twenty four seven. Um.
But I just try not to go in like super
crowded places. It was hard this weekend in Paris, and
actually it was crazy because we went to the Louver

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Museum and then the next day they shut it down.
They weren't letting anyone else, and because of Corona, because
there's so many people that go in it. Hey, Hannah,
so in the US you can't even find Pureux are
they are they sold out there too? Yeah? So before
I flew to France, I went to the pharmacy on
my street to ask their face mask, and the woman

(01:11:30):
like literally laughed in my spaceies like there are no
face masks here, and my parents brought me and my
friends for from home and now we have them here. Yeah,
so we finally have some facetoffs. But I've been trying
to get them for two weeks and they're like, there's
none in Barcelona's crazy. So I've heard that some of
the programs, the study abroad programs, are sending their students

(01:11:52):
back home back to the US. Is that the case
with any of your friends right now? So s m U,
s m U and Boisy are the only two schools
that I know for sure that have told all of
their kids from Barcelona. And we've been trying to get
in contact and like call San Diego. But I think
they're just so stressed out of the year because they

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don't really know what to do right now. Oh my god. Yeah,
I don't know what I would do. I think I
would come home, I know, I think I would wait
until they're like you gotta go. That shows the difference
between me and Daniel. I'm like, I'd come home. Daniel's
like I'm write it out well. I was talking to
my parents about it, and my dad is like, I

(01:12:34):
give you maybe two more weeks. But my friends who
are studying brought in Florence, they're already home, and my
friends that are in Madrid are like getting sent home
this week. They haven't until Friday to move out. We'll
be safe. We're here. Well, yeah, if you need anything,
and we'd love to have you come start working once

(01:12:55):
you've been. Once you've been. The fourteen days we just
talked to Rick was in Dubai and we told him
he's not allowed to come for fourteen days. But well,
hang in there. We'll see you soon. You guys soon,
I miss you, guys. By who that was? That was

(01:13:18):
our first like breaking news edition of how Many Fake podcast? Um,
I loved it, though I loved it. It was usually
we have discussions about topics. This was. This was about
a current and relevant and prominent topic present in the
world today. So I liked it. I think we all
need to try to stay away from our potential freak

(01:13:39):
out mode. Though with all that info, you know what
a man m I don't know. I don't know gaff.
I don't want to I don't want to undersell the people,
but I also don't want to cause panic. But I
do hope that through Carl through Dr Todd. You're listening
to Hannah through Rick that you guys have a little
more information at least today on on the coronavirus and
what to do to there for yourself or your family

(01:14:01):
and where to find out more information about it. But um,
next time we do a breaking news report, I want
to see you in like a suit and tie gave.
Oh yeah, I'm a suit and tie kind of man.
I got a clip on. You got a clip on.
I got like multi versions of clip on. I actually
see you as like a bow tie guy. I have
a clip on boat ties. Okay, there you go too.
That's it for this week. Thank you everybody for listening
to My name is Brooks. Like til next week, take

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care of one another, love one another, and we'll see
you back here for another episode of How Men Think