November 10, 2025 • 30 mins
Matt Newton, who played Jack Springsteen — the Harvard alum’s son who met Lorelai and Rory — joins Scott to break down Season 3, Episode 4!
You’ve got to hear the story on how Scott can relate to Lane’s wild and drastic hair change!
Plus, Matt gets the behind the scenes details on Scott running his lines for all the banter with Lorelai in this episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in again.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio
podcast Hey.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcasts. What a
lot of productions. iHeartRadio media. iHeart podcasts. We're gonna recap
One's Got Class, the Other One Dies, episode four, Season three,
and very special guest Matt Newton, who appeared in the
episode prior to this one. If I've got that right.
(00:44):
He's an actor, filmmaker, acting coach. Grew up in New Haven, Connecticut,
and appeared in TV guest roles for shows like Kimore
Girls Ugly Betty. Around twenty ten, he shifted toward coaching
a found MN acting studio in New York City. As
coached actors from major series like Jessica Jones and films
like av A Duverna's when they what I can't see
(01:09):
what it's doing when they see us and the Daverna's
when they see us. Matt, Welcome Todays. Nice to have you,
and we are going to get into an air date
here of October fifteen, two thousand and two. Man, that's
a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We have.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We have a lot to talk about. I was an
acting coach as well before I got killed, so we
can compare four Gilmore Girls. Yeah, anyway, all right, here's
here's the synopsis. Students bombard Laura I with questions about
her teenage pregnancy at the school's career day, embarrassing the
PTA moms, and Rory helps Lane dye her hair purple
to assert her independence. Director Steve Robin, writer Dan Palladino.
(01:55):
Before we get into it, Matt, what do you think
of the episode? Overall?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I liked him, and you know, I it's funny, like I,
you know, the experience of being on the show, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Luckily, I think I didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So I went in and had my first experience with
Gilmergirls on the set of Gilmergirls. So now to come
back and watch the episodes and see the style and
the tone and storylines and what makes it so special
is amazing. So so I, you know, I love anything
that has sort of a higher level banter like this,
like Aaron Sorkin kind of banter, Palladino banter. So so
(02:34):
I love it. Yeah, I became a fan after filming it.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Ye, yeah, it's it's it's it's on. I I hadn't
watched the shows really at all. And then when I
started doing the podcast almost five years ago, I had
the same kind of reaction.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Like like I didn't remember that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I don't remember it. I said, boy, this is really good,
and exactly how the hell did I get this job? Anyway,
So larela I gets a call from Dead and the
PTA and agrees to talk to stars Tyler High School
class for career Day about being a local business owner.
They want Luke as well. Laurele I says she will
convince him to come over. The banter matt between Luke
(03:14):
and Laureles front and center in this episode, establishing how
they fit perfectly together, at least verbally psychologically perhaps, And
I guess, you know, running those lines with her and
doing that kind of a witty, quick back and forth
(03:37):
banter is really, you know, it's the soul of the show.
It gives it the octane, it gives it the fuel.
It's moving forward at a dizzying pace. And I think
that's what thrills the audience is they really have to
pay attention. They really can't look off, they can't look
at their phone, they can't turn and answer a question.
(03:58):
They're gonna miss you know, two lines and three jokes right,
because it's so compact.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, we had a sixteen hour day running this dinner
scene around the dinner table and where the you know,
we're all quizzing each other, and you know, it was
it was all about the perfection of those lines. And
something I'll never forget as an actor and something I
heavily bring into coaching, which is this idea of memorizing
it as if it was Shakespeare. I think, you know,
(04:26):
we've learned as actors to get most shows aren't on
that level of strict you know, punctuation. And that was
my first experience with that since college, since I was
doing Shakespeare, and I thought, Okay, this can be on
the same level and can be a hyper speed like
this and can still be real and you could put
the thoughts in the lines instead of between the lines.
And I really love that idea, and you know, to
(04:48):
sort of spend the day doing it then to see
that they even cut it even tighter, it's just pretty
amazing and something that you know, it's very special about
my experience on it now.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I mean I've said it many time on this podcast
before that it is very Shakespearean and that there's a
rhythm and the music to it. There's an't even an
iambic to it. Yeah, and it's you really just have
to open your mouth, let the words fall out, and
the thoughts, feelings, emotions, even the blocking will be dictated
(05:19):
to you. It will arrive you just really need it.
Really is the mechanical job of just memorizing the line
so cold that you can't get them wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Which we've a lot of people have forgotten how to
do right, you know, and this it's a and if
that you weren't getting the line right, Amy and Dan
would tell you, and we wouldn't. We wouldn't move on
until we got it. I was always someone who wrote
down my lines. That's how I memorized. I learned it
in my high school drama teacher, and so I knew
I had a system, you know, from back in the day,
(05:51):
where I would be letter perfect on everything, even a
soap opera set. You know where the words are, so
you know, I had a system. But for for other people,
you know, I can see how that would be tricky.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Was it hard for you?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I mean, did you have to sort of lock yourself
down or was it again you just inhabited the language
knew the character.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It was written for you.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I force fed, you know, in the in the years prior,
I force fed myself as much Shakespeare as I could
stand great, and I found very quickly that it was
far easier to remember large speeches written by a master
(06:33):
than it is short paragraphs written by somebody with far
less talent. And I just there was there's this emotional
logic to it, much like I find in this writing
with Amy and Dan and their staff. And it was
it was shocking to me initially. It was like, this
can't be this easy.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
And you're, yeah, what you're saying is when it's written, well,
it's really easy to memorize because it flows off the tongue.
And when it's challenging, and I'm sure you know I
both experienced that, it's sort of like, well, these lines
don't really make sense, so I have to do it
in a beat and everything, but the lines and the
beats are built, you know, everything's built into the Palladino stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And I love that.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And it's very few beats and when they are, their
micro beats, and you know, again, I don't know any
of this stuff. When I went into audition, I was
just someone who kind of talked fast anyway, So I
think it kind of made made a lot of sense.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But now I realize it's a thing.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's such a thing because I've never experienced it again
on a set on that level.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, yeah, nor have I not even close.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I'm sure, and I'm sure you miss it too.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I'm sure it's like, oh, I want to say that
kind of language again, desperate to get back to it.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Or you know, do a Shakespeare play absolutely yeah, at
l Chicago, New York, Miami, wherever, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I coached someone on Aaron Sorkin was adapting Camelot for Broadway,
I believe. So people are coming in with, you know,
eight pages of Sorkin adapted Camelot language, and it was
a It was a very challenging coaching session because I
knew it had to be you know, it had to
be perfect.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, I'm going to debut you Hamlet at my age,
but I can't can't play the lead role. It'll kill me,
pus or somebody here exactly. Anyway, Uh, Loralai in the
class able to defend her choices even against a group
of moms with bad haircuts and Jesus sweaters. She points
(08:30):
out she doesn't want to gloss over oncomfortable topics with
her kids. Do you agree with her parenting style?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I agree with Lawrence's parenting style. I'm not glossing over. Yeah,
I mean, I you know, I have two kids.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I I yeah, of course, I'm so protective, you know,
But but I also am like, you know, what are
they what can we let them hear?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
And what are we protecting them from? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I did's something I'm It's funny very recently also like
dealing with that, like my kids play travel basketball and
like just kind of going to do it and seeing
different people with different parenting styles in that competitive world
of sports makes me rethink how I am.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But yeah, I do. I do agree with her style.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's kind of like a game time call whether you're gonna,
you know, include them in the decision or to Yeah.
I do. Every day with my son.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
How old your son?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
He's eleven, but he's you know, he's eleven going on
forty five eight eight, You can handle most things. Ye,
He's like, yeah, I know that, and then he'll explain
the facts.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Of life to me exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Was this storyline to showcase the juxtaposition of the different
versions of suburban moms. I think we know the answer
to that. You know, yeah, probably it shows how outside
the group, right Lorelei is.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, I mean I live in Connecticut, you know, I
grew up kind of in this world a little bit.
And the different kinds of people you see, and the
different kinds of moms, and you know that, of course
that they hit it right in the head with that.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I was just in Connecticut for a weekend and I
stayed at a very nice hotel and I was out
in the posh suburbs, and it's.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It's just beautiful. It's different.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
It's different. It's beautiful. But I recognize it because I'm
a Northeast guy, so I get it.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, where'd you grow up?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I grew up in Philadelphia and southern New Jersey and
in New York City, So I've been to all of
these places. They're all they're all recognizable. They just have
sort of their different sort of colloquialisms and traditions exactly
a little bit different, but it's Northeast. Now we're gonna
(11:02):
get to a subject, Matt that you're dying to get to.
I'm dying to get to. When I woke up this morning,
I was extremely excited to get to this topic. Lane's
hair makeover to rebel against her mom. I mean, here
we are. This is the moment in our careers where
we're gonna discuss something that just I know so much about.
(11:29):
All Right, I'm gonna not big sar guest. Lane's band
has started rehearsing and she's learned four songs, but they
can't play loud because of Lane's mom. They're complaining they
need a real practice space. They're in uh Sophie's shop
downtown News and Lane wants to talk about band practice
(11:50):
in Hartford, but her mom has applications to fill out
for religious colleges. Lane starts freaking out, wants to dye
her hair to rebel against her mom, and they run
it to Justice girlfriend at the beauty store where Rory
and Lango to buy the hair dye. Uh So, Rory
dies Lane's hair very purple. By the way, I very
(12:11):
I have a very funny story about dyeing my hair
as well, so, but I'm not going to share that today.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
For the show.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
For a different thing, No life just for Life.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
To play Rock Hudson for an audition to So.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
You died for the audition?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I did well played.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
No no no I no. I dyed it for the
network audition at the Flying Flying me out to LA
to compete with the other guy, and I dyed my
hair black and it turned blue?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Did someone tell you to do it?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Or do it? No? That genius that I hatched that
bit of genius on my.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
So they hadn't seen you with the hair yet, and
before you want.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
To know, they had in the initial audition redet right,
it was like a brown night brownish and then all
the time blue hair showed up. Right. Yeah, not not
a move, not a good move. Very first audition by
the way.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Wow really yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Hit it out of the park on that one. Anyway.
She hers is very purple, and she freaks out as
we're returning to the beauty store to diet back to
Black Roy's at the beauty store and she yells at Shane,
that's Jess's girlfriend, the blonde miss miss Kipper. I believe
her name is for her for her bad customer service,
because she was on the phone with Jess and Rory
(13:33):
got a little jealous so she seems to be out
of character for Rory just to lose it on someone.
So I guess her jealousy is taking over for her
to act out and listen no more to fellas more
qualified to talk about this teenage stuff going in here.
So let's let's just dig into it.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Is that? Is that what it's going to be like
for my daughter? Like when she gets to be She's
six right now, So in ten years, is she gonna
be rebelling like this?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
So, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I don't think. I don't know. I don't know. It's
purple hair in your future. I do not know.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I dyed my hair manic panic blonde in college. I
wanted to look like Eminem. I caught it a Caesar
cut and that was a vibe man. And I was
also doing God's Spell at the time, so I had
this hair thing going on, and then I was also
playing the World of Jesus in Godspell at Faster College.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Wow. Wow, you know, it was kind of it was
kind of nice to see Lane's character highlighted. You know,
we get to see more of her. Were there constant
struggle against your mom and figuring out what she really wants.
Why do you think Lane couldn't go through with the
rebellious purple hair.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I don't know, because it's too some. It's like embarrassing, right,
It's it's too much. It's it's like you're making a statement,
but you're you're it's like overkill. So so I think
Lane was just feeling like, maybe, you know, maybe I
don't need to be so so rebellious, pull back a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
A little bit of respect, a little bit of fear.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, yeah, sure, I get it right.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Right, right, Well, it was quite a thing, and it
kept coming at you and waves, the lame hair hysterics
was coming at you in wave after wave after wave,
and we are the better for it. Luke and Jess.
Jess is still Shane and has her in the closet
when Laurel I came over to get Luke to dress
(15:32):
up for his business daily speech at the school that
he's accompanying her to. Jess sort of smirks at Luke
and Laurel's antics and bickering, and Luke tries to have
a talk with just about the way to treat women.
He hates the way he treats Shane's but Jess defends
himself because she treats him like trash too, and he
(15:54):
doesn't really care for her. And this shows a side
of Luke that I particularly like, you know, being fly,
being responsible and saying, hey, this is not how you
treat a girl. Okay, there are dues and don'ts, and
there's so many don'ts here, and just fires back at him,
saying the girl he cares about doesn't care about him.
(16:15):
Rory he's speaking of, and then Luke, and then he
called Then he calls Luke a golden retriever over the
Laurel I, saying he's waiting around for her to notice
him in that way. This is why there are so
many red flags with Jess. There's so much aggression, there's
(16:37):
so much bitterness, there's so much dysfunction, and I'm seeing
it more and more and and you know, five and six,
especially six, and I just watched him. We're gonna recap that,
I think tomorrow. But man, I mean when I say
these three guys are bombs, I mean it because you know,
(16:59):
you know, people don't change that much. Yes, And if
he's got that kind of sort of grifter bad boy
in him at sixteen seventeen it's still gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's gonna stick with it, but it's always gonna be
a part of him that's gonna feel like that, right,
like just that that power.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Right, Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Like you see you see like kernels of it, right,
you see you see it there, and you think about
what he's going to be like later, and it's you know,
it's how much do people change nature versus nurture all
that stuff? You know?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yeah, I think about this a loud like kids.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Sure again, Well, it's it seems like everyone's pointing out
Luke and Laureli's chemistry. Right, Emily did it to laurel I.
Now Jess is saying something to Luke. Why do you
think Luke can't admit to him himself that he has
these deep feelings for Laurele I? And why is that
such an interesting dynamic in this show.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
That he can't be open and up front with it, right.
Why He's probably intimidated. He's probably scared of being hurt.
He's he doesn't want to be uncomfortable. Again, I totally
get it. I was I was probably the same way
(18:18):
around girls. I think he's just holding on a lot
of feelings and doesn't know how to express it is
where it will come out the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And that's it. He's kind of harboring that, you know,
And we see that with him.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Fear of rejection. The more you want somebody more, your
fear of the rejection, so you just clean out. Yeah. Yeah,
well I never got anybody to first base, I'll tell you.
So Luke is trying to parentst and give advice when
it comes to women, and it appears and this is
a question, is he's just just too stubborn to listen
(18:50):
to anyone else. I mean, he really is the quintessential
no pseudo know it all, just has all the answers
for everything, like a narcissist.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And yeah, it doesn't want anyone piercing that veil. And yeah,
that's you know, we all know someone like that.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Right, Matt. That is the first time I've ever had
a guest come on and describe Jess using the narcissist work.
That's very insightful. What are what are some of the
characteristics of of of his narcissist personality that jump out
to you.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I Mean, he's just it's it's him first, you know,
It's it's just the way he sort of responds to
influence around him and just deflex and defends and just
kind of doesn't give people the time they deserve. And
you know, it's it's the way you could describe many
(19:47):
different people, but that's you know, evident in the show
as well.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
No accountability. Yeah, just will not take responsibility for anything.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, poor kid. It's tough to see that in a teenager.
It's just for developed to develop that early. It's just
it's so tragic to say it. It's kind of why
you love them, you know, you just want to reach
out and help them because there you just do. You
really do feel the potential in him. And he's smart
(20:19):
kids smart, he's quick, and he's he's crying out for help.
He really but but but the but the issue is
is he ever going to accept it? And the answer
has always come back now. I mean you try to,
you try to get somebody like that and to get
get them help and act like you're concerned and you're
(20:40):
truly concerned. They use that against you. Yeah, it's yeah,
it's it's tough, tough sledging.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Closing scene here Laane and Roy are walking and stars hollow,
but feel accomplished because they dyed her hair back to
black and have photo proof of it. Over well, they
of the purple and they consider it a victory. They
see shanea Jess, She calls her a freak and she
walks by. R calls her a freak. Laurela runs into
(21:20):
Lane Roy and Rory shows her the purple hair photo.
Roy asks about her speech at school and she filters
on what happened. They walked to Alice Pancake World for
dinner arman Arm reflecting on her speech. The show ends
with Roy and Larelai just going along with their normal
lives with their woody banner, almost like reassuring that she
(21:43):
made the right choice when she was sixteen years old.
What did you think of the ending?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Mat, It's great.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I mean, you know, the coming back to the bond
between them like that is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
It's what it's what we watch it for.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
It's it's they're gonna be okay, that they can sold
her through any thing and you know they still have
each other. It's what makes them so beautiful. So I
loved it. I love rewatching it.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
M M.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, it was a simpler time, you know, So you
know it's it just be you know, you watch it
with such a nostalgia.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I mean, that's why people love it so much.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right, I don't think any other show had more drama,
more comedy, more complications amongst the characters, more distinctive voices,
and an incredibly safe environment where nothing really that bad
can happen. Yes, your terror of losing your loved one
(22:37):
or you know, losing a family connection, which is which
is real?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, exactly, that never goes away, that fear.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Right, all right, Matt, Now we're going to talk about
your talk about you. You were one of the kids
of the Harvard alum Springsteen family who Laurala and Rory
go visit while she's applying to Harvard. What was it
like filming that episode?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It was great, you know, I, Like I was saying earlier,
it was my first time on a set. I've done
a bunch of acting jobs, but this was my first
time on a set like that, of that level, where
every detail mattered and every shot mattered, and we did
many takes. There's most takes I've ever probably done of
coverage on any guest star situation, because there was a
(23:19):
lot of care in it. And I remember sitting around
that dining room table, just absolutely running that line the
scene over and over again. Were requising each other and
and I got to talk to Lauren and Alexis and
and it was it was like my first time meeting them,
and it was amazing. It was like a like a family.
And I became friends with the stand ins, and I
(23:40):
was there for a few days that week, and uh,
they were very long hours and but very satisfying, beautiful.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Thing people still come up to me for.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And as I know, you understand, and you know, it's
one little thing that became a big thing. And I
love that just because of that one time, and you know,
being on that show that one week like it, you know,
it's great. It's great that we were talking about it.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just amazing. Uh yeah,
this the banter so quick? How'd you get used to it?
You're already prepared for it? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I think I was, And you know I was.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I had my lines down wrote, and I was, you know,
anticipating rewrites and stuff, but that didn't really happen. You know,
it felt pretty locked. And I did, you know, same
thing I did in the audition and the callback and
on set many times on set, and you know, everyone
seemed kind of happy with the where it was going,
so I just made sure I did my job. I
mean those situations, you just feel like we have so
(24:39):
much to do in so many pages to get through
because they speak so fast that you.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Know it's a tall order.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So you get into that day with a mindset of like,
you know, I'm going to stay really focused and get
some rest and just be ready for the marathon.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
And it was. It was a marathon.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I tell you, if you can get through the closet
scene hamlet, you can do anything. You're an acting teacher. Now,
did you take anything you learn from the set of
Gilmore Girls into your teachings?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah? Sure, I always do one. You know, I teach
four week classes.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
In one of the weeks out of four, I sort
of do heightened language week, and it might be from masol,
or it might be from newsroom. And so the point
being the how do you sort of approach auditioning for
something like that? And now, because it's all on tape,
but when I coach people for Amy shows particular, it
says on the appointment sheet fast and perfect. So it
(25:33):
used to be you would hear that in the room,
and now they're telling you beforehand, when you tape this scene,
don't even think about not being fast and perfect. So
I take a lot of that into my classes, just
in terms of preparing them for readiness. And you know,
I hope they get to experience that kind of situation,
you know, where you get to say these beautiful words,
and you know a lot of actors don't get to
do that that often.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
So you and I are lucky, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Very much. So I really never thought I had a
shot at this script was too good, and you know,
movie actors were migrating into film at that time. I
really started and I just thought, what, you know, I'll
just do another solid audition and move on.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, and then look at this. I mean, that's amazing.
I know, how many times did you have to go back?
One time?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I was the guest star in the pilot?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I was a guest the pilot. Guests are in the pilot.
You didn't even one audition?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Great, and then I threatened and bribed my way into
the cast. That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I mean, you'd be crazy not to write and yeah,
of course that shows but uh, all right, what would
you say, is the best advice for anyone wanting to
get into this profession acting.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I think you have to treat every audition like it's
your first one in terms of readiness, and that you
have to treat every audition like it matters. You don't
know what that audition will lead to. It's not really
for that role, it's for many roles in many things
(27:14):
that that casting person does. And so you know, acts
like you're already on the set and you know you're
doing a rehearsal. Like that's the way I thought about auditions,
like we're already there, let's just play Easier said than done.
But that's the biggest advice I have for people.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Great, great advice, great advice, and in real world terms,
it's it's true. I remember my first audition for a
huge feature casting director, and I was very nervous because
I figured, Hey, I'm probably not getting this job, but man,
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if I can nail this and make an impression, she's
going to keep bringing me back in. She was. She
was like the goat, She's the go to casting director
for a massive director.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
And I was just like, man, and you know that,
it's yeah right.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It messes with you a little bit.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I've had about four auditions, so hopefully one day I
can break through. But you're you're one hundred percent right, Yeah,
you know you can. It will it will be beneficial
going forward. The better you're auditioning is. And it's really
you know, flipping the psychology in the room and not
(28:32):
being needy and just going in and taking command of
that room. And how you do that is your business.
I have my technique. Other people have their techniques to
just take command and get their focus on you, you know,
because they're even if they're sitting there and they're looking
at you, their minds are somewhere else usually and you
(28:55):
got to do something different.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
You've got got to surprise them, you do. You know,
you take like a half second longer and a pause
than they're used to hearing. You sort of shake them,
you know, and uh yeah, that's that can be a
really powerful thing.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, it's sure anyway, Matt so enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, man, thank you, thanks for.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Coming on the great insights. Good luck with your your
your career as an acting age. You are getting the
next generation of brilliant actors and actresses ready right unleashing
them on the world. We appreciate it. It's it's it's
a noble activity. I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
It's thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Hard work, and it's caring work, and it's deep work.
So uh yeah, good, good on you for that. Anyway,
thanks to appreciate the time and hope to see you again.
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One's Got Class, the Other One Dies, episode four, Season three,
and very special guest Matt Newton, who appeared in the
episode prior to this one. If I've got that right.
(00:44):
He's an actor, filmmaker, acting coach. Grew up in New Haven, Connecticut,
and appeared in TV guest roles for shows like Kimore
Girls Ugly Betty. Around twenty ten, he shifted toward coaching
a found MN acting studio in New York City. As
coached actors from major series like Jessica Jones and films
like av A Duverna's when they what I can't see
(01:09):
what it's doing when they see us and the Daverna's
when they see us. Matt, Welcome Todays. Nice to have you,
and we are going to get into an air date
here of October fifteen, two thousand and two. Man, that's
a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
We have.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
We have a lot to talk about. I was an
acting coach as well before I got killed, so we
can compare four Gilmore Girls. Yeah, anyway, all right, here's
here's the synopsis. Students bombard Laura I with questions about
her teenage pregnancy at the school's career day, embarrassing the
PTA moms, and Rory helps Lane dye her hair purple
to assert her independence. Director Steve Robin, writer Dan Palladino.
(01:55):
Before we get into it, Matt, what do you think
of the episode? Overall?
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I liked him, and you know, I it's funny, like I,
you know, the experience of being on the show, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Luckily, I think I didn't know anything about it.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So I went in and had my first experience with
Gilmergirls on the set of Gilmergirls. So now to come
back and watch the episodes and see the style and
the tone and storylines and what makes it so special
is amazing. So so I, you know, I love anything
that has sort of a higher level banter like this,
like Aaron Sorkin kind of banter, Palladino banter. So so
(02:34):
I love it. Yeah, I became a fan after filming it.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Ye, yeah, it's it's it's it's on. I I hadn't
watched the shows really at all. And then when I
started doing the podcast almost five years ago, I had
the same kind of reaction.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Like like I didn't remember that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I don't remember it. I said, boy, this is really good,
and exactly how the hell did I get this job? Anyway,
So larela I gets a call from Dead and the
PTA and agrees to talk to stars Tyler High School
class for career Day about being a local business owner.
They want Luke as well. Laurele I says she will
convince him to come over. The banter matt between Luke
(03:14):
and Laureles front and center in this episode, establishing how
they fit perfectly together, at least verbally psychologically perhaps, And
I guess, you know, running those lines with her and
doing that kind of a witty, quick back and forth
(03:37):
banter is really, you know, it's the soul of the show.
It gives it the octane, it gives it the fuel.
It's moving forward at a dizzying pace. And I think
that's what thrills the audience is they really have to
pay attention. They really can't look off, they can't look
at their phone, they can't turn and answer a question.
(03:58):
They're gonna miss you know, two lines and three jokes right,
because it's so compact.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Yeah, we had a sixteen hour day running this dinner
scene around the dinner table and where the you know,
we're all quizzing each other, and you know, it was
it was all about the perfection of those lines. And
something I'll never forget as an actor and something I
heavily bring into coaching, which is this idea of memorizing
it as if it was Shakespeare. I think, you know,
(04:26):
we've learned as actors to get most shows aren't on
that level of strict you know, punctuation. And that was
my first experience with that since college, since I was
doing Shakespeare, and I thought, Okay, this can be on
the same level and can be a hyper speed like
this and can still be real and you could put
the thoughts in the lines instead of between the lines.
And I really love that idea, and you know, to
(04:48):
sort of spend the day doing it then to see
that they even cut it even tighter, it's just pretty
amazing and something that you know, it's very special about
my experience on it now.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
I mean I've said it many time on this podcast
before that it is very Shakespearean and that there's a
rhythm and the music to it. There's an't even an
iambic to it. Yeah, and it's you really just have
to open your mouth, let the words fall out, and
the thoughts, feelings, emotions, even the blocking will be dictated
(05:19):
to you. It will arrive you just really need it.
Really is the mechanical job of just memorizing the line
so cold that you can't get them wrong.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Which we've a lot of people have forgotten how to
do right, you know, and this it's a and if
that you weren't getting the line right, Amy and Dan
would tell you, and we wouldn't. We wouldn't move on
until we got it. I was always someone who wrote
down my lines. That's how I memorized. I learned it
in my high school drama teacher, and so I knew
I had a system, you know, from back in the day,
(05:51):
where I would be letter perfect on everything, even a
soap opera set. You know where the words are, so
you know, I had a system. But for for other people,
you know, I can see how that would be tricky.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Was it hard for you?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I mean, did you have to sort of lock yourself
down or was it again you just inhabited the language
knew the character.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
It was written for you.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I force fed, you know, in the in the years prior,
I force fed myself as much Shakespeare as I could
stand great, and I found very quickly that it was
far easier to remember large speeches written by a master
(06:33):
than it is short paragraphs written by somebody with far
less talent. And I just there was there's this emotional
logic to it, much like I find in this writing
with Amy and Dan and their staff. And it was
it was shocking to me initially. It was like, this
can't be this easy.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
And you're, yeah, what you're saying is when it's written, well,
it's really easy to memorize because it flows off the tongue.
And when it's challenging, and I'm sure you know I
both experienced that, it's sort of like, well, these lines
don't really make sense, so I have to do it
in a beat and everything, but the lines and the
beats are built, you know, everything's built into the Palladino stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
And I love that.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
And it's very few beats and when they are, their
micro beats, and you know, again, I don't know any
of this stuff. When I went into audition, I was
just someone who kind of talked fast anyway, So I
think it kind of made made a lot of sense.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
But now I realize it's a thing.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
It's such a thing because I've never experienced it again
on a set on that level.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, yeah, nor have I not even close.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I'm sure, and I'm sure you miss it too.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I'm sure it's like, oh, I want to say that
kind of language again, desperate to get back to it.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Or you know, do a Shakespeare play absolutely yeah, at
l Chicago, New York, Miami, wherever, I don't care.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I coached someone on Aaron Sorkin was adapting Camelot for Broadway,
I believe. So people are coming in with, you know,
eight pages of Sorkin adapted Camelot language, and it was
a It was a very challenging coaching session because I
knew it had to be you know, it had to
be perfect.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, I'm going to debut you Hamlet at my age,
but I can't can't play the lead role. It'll kill me,
pus or somebody here exactly. Anyway, Uh, Loralai in the
class able to defend her choices even against a group
of moms with bad haircuts and Jesus sweaters. She points
(08:30):
out she doesn't want to gloss over oncomfortable topics with
her kids. Do you agree with her parenting style?
Speaker 3 (08:37):
I agree with Lawrence's parenting style. I'm not glossing over. Yeah,
I mean, I you know, I have two kids.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
I I yeah, of course, I'm so protective, you know,
But but I also am like, you know, what are
they what can we let them hear?
Speaker 4 (08:55):
And what are we protecting them from? I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I did's something I'm It's funny very recently also like
dealing with that, like my kids play travel basketball and
like just kind of going to do it and seeing
different people with different parenting styles in that competitive world
of sports makes me rethink how I am.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
But yeah, I do. I do agree with her style.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Yeah, mm hmm.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It's kind of like a game time call whether you're gonna,
you know, include them in the decision or to Yeah.
I do. Every day with my son.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
How old your son?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
He's eleven, but he's you know, he's eleven going on
forty five eight eight, You can handle most things. Ye,
He's like, yeah, I know that, and then he'll explain
the facts.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Of life to me exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Was this storyline to showcase the juxtaposition of the different
versions of suburban moms. I think we know the answer
to that. You know, yeah, probably it shows how outside
the group, right Lorelei is.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Yeah, I mean I live in Connecticut, you know, I
grew up kind of in this world a little bit.
And the different kinds of people you see, and the
different kinds of moms, and you know that, of course
that they hit it right in the head with that.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I was just in Connecticut for a weekend and I
stayed at a very nice hotel and I was out
in the posh suburbs, and it's.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
It's just beautiful. It's different.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
It's different. It's beautiful. But I recognize it because I'm
a Northeast guy, so I get it.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, where'd you grow up?
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I grew up in Philadelphia and southern New Jersey and
in New York City, So I've been to all of
these places. They're all they're all recognizable. They just have
sort of their different sort of colloquialisms and traditions exactly
a little bit different, but it's Northeast. Now we're gonna
(11:02):
get to a subject, Matt that you're dying to get to.
I'm dying to get to. When I woke up this morning,
I was extremely excited to get to this topic. Lane's
hair makeover to rebel against her mom. I mean, here
we are. This is the moment in our careers where
we're gonna discuss something that just I know so much about.
(11:29):
All Right, I'm gonna not big sar guest. Lane's band
has started rehearsing and she's learned four songs, but they
can't play loud because of Lane's mom. They're complaining they
need a real practice space. They're in uh Sophie's shop
downtown News and Lane wants to talk about band practice
(11:50):
in Hartford, but her mom has applications to fill out
for religious colleges. Lane starts freaking out, wants to dye
her hair to rebel against her mom, and they run
it to Justice girlfriend at the beauty store where Rory
and Lango to buy the hair dye. Uh So, Rory
dies Lane's hair very purple. By the way, I very
(12:11):
I have a very funny story about dyeing my hair
as well, so, but I'm not going to share that today.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
For the show.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
For a different thing, No life just for Life.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
To play Rock Hudson for an audition to So.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
You died for the audition?
Speaker 3 (12:25):
I did well played.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
No no no I no. I dyed it for the
network audition at the Flying Flying me out to LA
to compete with the other guy, and I dyed my
hair black and it turned blue?
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Did someone tell you to do it?
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Or do it? No? That genius that I hatched that
bit of genius on my.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
So they hadn't seen you with the hair yet, and
before you want.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
To know, they had in the initial audition redet right,
it was like a brown night brownish and then all
the time blue hair showed up. Right. Yeah, not not
a move, not a good move. Very first audition by
the way.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Wow really yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Hit it out of the park on that one. Anyway.
She hers is very purple, and she freaks out as
we're returning to the beauty store to diet back to
Black Roy's at the beauty store and she yells at Shane,
that's Jess's girlfriend, the blonde miss miss Kipper. I believe
her name is for her for her bad customer service,
because she was on the phone with Jess and Rory
(13:33):
got a little jealous so she seems to be out
of character for Rory just to lose it on someone.
So I guess her jealousy is taking over for her
to act out and listen no more to fellas more
qualified to talk about this teenage stuff going in here.
So let's let's just dig into it.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Is that? Is that what it's going to be like
for my daughter? Like when she gets to be She's
six right now, So in ten years, is she gonna
be rebelling like this?
Speaker 1 (14:02):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
So, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
I don't think. I don't know. I don't know. It's
purple hair in your future. I do not know.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
I dyed my hair manic panic blonde in college. I
wanted to look like Eminem. I caught it a Caesar
cut and that was a vibe man. And I was
also doing God's Spell at the time, so I had
this hair thing going on, and then I was also
playing the World of Jesus in Godspell at Faster College.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Wow. Wow, you know, it was kind of it was
kind of nice to see Lane's character highlighted. You know,
we get to see more of her. Were there constant
struggle against your mom and figuring out what she really wants.
Why do you think Lane couldn't go through with the
rebellious purple hair.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I don't know, because it's too some. It's like embarrassing, right,
It's it's too much. It's it's like you're making a statement,
but you're you're it's like overkill. So so I think
Lane was just feeling like, maybe, you know, maybe I
don't need to be so so rebellious, pull back a
little bit.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
A little bit of respect, a little bit of fear.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
Yeah, yeah, sure, I get it right.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Right, right, Well, it was quite a thing, and it
kept coming at you and waves, the lame hair hysterics
was coming at you in wave after wave after wave,
and we are the better for it. Luke and Jess.
Jess is still Shane and has her in the closet
when Laurel I came over to get Luke to dress
(15:32):
up for his business daily speech at the school that
he's accompanying her to. Jess sort of smirks at Luke
and Laurel's antics and bickering, and Luke tries to have
a talk with just about the way to treat women.
He hates the way he treats Shane's but Jess defends
himself because she treats him like trash too, and he
(15:54):
doesn't really care for her. And this shows a side
of Luke that I particularly like, you know, being fly,
being responsible and saying, hey, this is not how you
treat a girl. Okay, there are dues and don'ts, and
there's so many don'ts here, and just fires back at him,
saying the girl he cares about doesn't care about him.
(16:15):
Rory he's speaking of, and then Luke, and then he
called Then he calls Luke a golden retriever over the
Laurel I, saying he's waiting around for her to notice
him in that way. This is why there are so
many red flags with Jess. There's so much aggression, there's
(16:37):
so much bitterness, there's so much dysfunction, and I'm seeing
it more and more and and you know, five and six,
especially six, and I just watched him. We're gonna recap that,
I think tomorrow. But man, I mean when I say
these three guys are bombs, I mean it because you know,
(16:59):
you know, people don't change that much. Yes, And if
he's got that kind of sort of grifter bad boy
in him at sixteen seventeen it's still gonna be there.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
It's gonna stick with it, but it's always gonna be
a part of him that's gonna feel like that, right,
like just that that power.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Right, Yeah, that's funny.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Like you see you see like kernels of it, right,
you see you see it there, and you think about
what he's going to be like later, and it's you know,
it's how much do people change nature versus nurture all
that stuff? You know?
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Yeah, I think about this a loud like kids.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
Sure again, Well, it's it seems like everyone's pointing out
Luke and Laureli's chemistry. Right, Emily did it to laurel I.
Now Jess is saying something to Luke. Why do you
think Luke can't admit to him himself that he has
these deep feelings for Laurele I? And why is that
such an interesting dynamic in this show.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
That he can't be open and up front with it, right.
Why He's probably intimidated. He's probably scared of being hurt.
He's he doesn't want to be uncomfortable. Again, I totally
get it. I was I was probably the same way
(18:18):
around girls. I think he's just holding on a lot
of feelings and doesn't know how to express it is
where it will come out the wrong way.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
And that's it. He's kind of harboring that, you know,
And we see that with him.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
Fear of rejection. The more you want somebody more, your
fear of the rejection, so you just clean out. Yeah. Yeah,
well I never got anybody to first base, I'll tell you.
So Luke is trying to parentst and give advice when
it comes to women, and it appears and this is
a question, is he's just just too stubborn to listen
(18:50):
to anyone else. I mean, he really is the quintessential
no pseudo know it all, just has all the answers
for everything, like a narcissist.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
And yeah, it doesn't want anyone piercing that veil. And yeah,
that's you know, we all know someone like that.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Right, Matt. That is the first time I've ever had
a guest come on and describe Jess using the narcissist work.
That's very insightful. What are what are some of the
characteristics of of of his narcissist personality that jump out
to you.
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I Mean, he's just it's it's him first, you know,
It's it's just the way he sort of responds to
influence around him and just deflex and defends and just
kind of doesn't give people the time they deserve. And
you know, it's it's the way you could describe many
(19:47):
different people, but that's you know, evident in the show
as well.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
No accountability. Yeah, just will not take responsibility for anything.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, poor kid. It's tough to see that in a teenager.
It's just for developed to develop that early. It's just
it's so tragic to say it. It's kind of why
you love them, you know, you just want to reach
out and help them because there you just do. You
really do feel the potential in him. And he's smart
(20:19):
kids smart, he's quick, and he's he's crying out for help.
He really but but but the but the issue is
is he ever going to accept it? And the answer
has always come back now. I mean you try to,
you try to get somebody like that and to get
get them help and act like you're concerned and you're
(20:40):
truly concerned. They use that against you. Yeah, it's yeah,
it's it's tough, tough sledging.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Closing scene here Laane and Roy are walking and stars hollow,
but feel accomplished because they dyed her hair back to
black and have photo proof of it. Over well, they
of the purple and they consider it a victory. They
see shanea Jess, She calls her a freak and she
walks by. R calls her a freak. Laurela runs into
(21:20):
Lane Roy and Rory shows her the purple hair photo.
Roy asks about her speech at school and she filters
on what happened. They walked to Alice Pancake World for
dinner arman Arm reflecting on her speech. The show ends
with Roy and Larelai just going along with their normal
lives with their woody banner, almost like reassuring that she
(21:43):
made the right choice when she was sixteen years old.
What did you think of the ending?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
Mat, It's great.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I mean, you know, the coming back to the bond
between them like that is fantastic.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
It's what it's what we watch it for.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
It's it's they're gonna be okay, that they can sold
her through any thing and you know they still have
each other. It's what makes them so beautiful. So I
loved it. I love rewatching it.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
M M.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Yeah, it was a simpler time, you know, So you
know it's it just be you know, you watch it
with such a nostalgia.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
I mean, that's why people love it so much.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Right, I don't think any other show had more drama,
more comedy, more complications amongst the characters, more distinctive voices,
and an incredibly safe environment where nothing really that bad
can happen. Yes, your terror of losing your loved one
(22:37):
or you know, losing a family connection, which is which
is real?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Yeah, exactly, that never goes away, that fear.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Right, all right, Matt, Now we're going to talk about
your talk about you. You were one of the kids
of the Harvard alum Springsteen family who Laurala and Rory
go visit while she's applying to Harvard. What was it
like filming that episode?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
It was great, you know, I, Like I was saying earlier,
it was my first time on a set. I've done
a bunch of acting jobs, but this was my first
time on a set like that, of that level, where
every detail mattered and every shot mattered, and we did
many takes. There's most takes I've ever probably done of
coverage on any guest star situation, because there was a
(23:19):
lot of care in it. And I remember sitting around
that dining room table, just absolutely running that line the
scene over and over again. Were requising each other and
and I got to talk to Lauren and Alexis and
and it was it was like my first time meeting them,
and it was amazing. It was like a like a family.
And I became friends with the stand ins, and I
(23:40):
was there for a few days that week, and uh,
they were very long hours and but very satisfying, beautiful.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Thing people still come up to me for.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
And as I know, you understand, and you know, it's
one little thing that became a big thing. And I
love that just because of that one time, and you know,
being on that show that one week like it, you know,
it's great. It's great that we were talking about it.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just amazing. Uh yeah,
this the banter so quick? How'd you get used to it?
You're already prepared for it? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
I think I was, And you know I was.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
I had my lines down wrote, and I was, you know,
anticipating rewrites and stuff, but that didn't really happen. You know,
it felt pretty locked. And I did, you know, same
thing I did in the audition and the callback and
on set many times on set, and you know, everyone
seemed kind of happy with the where it was going,
so I just made sure I did my job. I
mean those situations, you just feel like we have so
(24:39):
much to do in so many pages to get through
because they speak so fast that you.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Know it's a tall order.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
So you get into that day with a mindset of like,
you know, I'm going to stay really focused and get
some rest and just be ready for the marathon.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
And it was. It was a marathon.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I tell you, if you can get through the closet
scene hamlet, you can do anything. You're an acting teacher. Now,
did you take anything you learn from the set of
Gilmore Girls into your teachings?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah? Sure, I always do one. You know, I teach
four week classes.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
In one of the weeks out of four, I sort
of do heightened language week, and it might be from masol,
or it might be from newsroom. And so the point
being the how do you sort of approach auditioning for
something like that? And now, because it's all on tape,
but when I coach people for Amy shows particular, it
says on the appointment sheet fast and perfect. So it
(25:33):
used to be you would hear that in the room,
and now they're telling you beforehand, when you tape this scene,
don't even think about not being fast and perfect. So
I take a lot of that into my classes, just
in terms of preparing them for readiness. And you know,
I hope they get to experience that kind of situation,
you know, where you get to say these beautiful words,
and you know a lot of actors don't get to
do that that often.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
So you and I are lucky, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Very much. So I really never thought I had a
shot at this script was too good, and you know,
movie actors were migrating into film at that time. I
really started and I just thought, what, you know, I'll
just do another solid audition and move on.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Yeah, and then look at this. I mean, that's amazing.
I know, how many times did you have to go back?
One time?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
I was the guest star in the pilot?
Speaker 4 (26:23):
I was a guest the pilot. Guests are in the pilot.
You didn't even one audition?
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Great, and then I threatened and bribed my way into
the cast. That's awesome.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
I mean, you'd be crazy not to write and yeah,
of course that shows but uh, all right, what would
you say, is the best advice for anyone wanting to
get into this profession acting.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
I think you have to treat every audition like it's
your first one in terms of readiness, and that you
have to treat every audition like it matters. You don't
know what that audition will lead to. It's not really
for that role, it's for many roles in many things
(27:14):
that that casting person does. And so you know, acts
like you're already on the set and you know you're
doing a rehearsal. Like that's the way I thought about auditions,
like we're already there, let's just play Easier said than done.
But that's the biggest advice I have for people.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Great, great advice, great advice, and in real world terms,
it's it's true. I remember my first audition for a
huge feature casting director, and I was very nervous because
I figured, Hey, I'm probably not getting this job, but man,
(27:49):
if I can nail this and make an impression, she's
going to keep bringing me back in. She was. She
was like the goat, She's the go to casting director
for a massive director.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
And I was just like, man, and you know that,
it's yeah right.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
It messes with you a little bit.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
I've had about four auditions, so hopefully one day I
can break through. But you're you're one hundred percent right, Yeah,
you know you can. It will it will be beneficial
going forward. The better you're auditioning is. And it's really
you know, flipping the psychology in the room and not
(28:32):
being needy and just going in and taking command of
that room. And how you do that is your business.
I have my technique. Other people have their techniques to
just take command and get their focus on you, you know,
because they're even if they're sitting there and they're looking
at you, their minds are somewhere else usually and you
(28:55):
got to do something different.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
You've got got to surprise them, you do. You know,
you take like a half second longer and a pause
than they're used to hearing. You sort of shake them,
you know, and uh yeah, that's that can be a
really powerful thing.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Yeah, it's sure anyway, Matt so enjoyed it.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Yeah, man, thank you, thanks for.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Coming on the great insights. Good luck with your your
your career as an acting age. You are getting the
next generation of brilliant actors and actresses ready right unleashing
them on the world. We appreciate it. It's it's it's
a noble activity. I'll tell you.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
It's thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
Hard work, and it's caring work, and it's deep work.
So uh yeah, good, good on you for that. Anyway,
thanks to appreciate the time and hope to see you again.
All right, and that's going to wrap us up here.
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