I can never pick you up here again. (S5 E6 "Norman Mailer, I'm Pregnant”)

We’re getting more of Logan… and three out of four of us love it!!
 
We are enjoying Dean in a cowboy hat too though.
 
Christopher returns.  Should he have called Lorelai for help and should she have gone over there? 
And, Rory confronting her Dad…wow.
 
Our critiques…the opening scene and Sookie vs Norman Mailer.  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
I's you, I am all in with Scott Patterson and
iHeartRadio podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in podcast one
of other productions I heard radio. He's in five, episode six,
Norman Mailer, I'm pregnant. I am joined by Danielle Romo
who's in another room, and Amy Sugarman, who is in
the same world. Ladies, welcome, how are you? How is
everybody wears Tara?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
She's late, but she's common.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
She's gonna be here. Okay, good.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
But I have like a couple of important updates for you.
Number one, I will say and I know that last
week's episode, meaning TV episode, was not your favorite. And
what I have learned from reading all the comments is
many fans agree with you. Yes. A lot of fans

(01:09):
actually said they when they're doing their rewatches they skip
that one.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Wow. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
And a lot of people agreed like it wasn't very
luke like how he was, So you should feel okay
that it wasn't your favorite.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
All of my self worth is tied up in this
podcast justice ever, so I'm going to have a good week.
This is good news, thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:40):
The other one was we you know, look we try hard.
We try hard, but we blow it. Sometimes we totally do.
We messed up. We forgot Kyle.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
What we did? We do that we do we forget?

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Have you forgot him? You just didn't really like chime
in when Tara and I come.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Look, I was dialing your line at midnight and it
wasn't going through it. Just I tried. I tried, like heck, so.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
We own our mistakes. I mean, I pride myself on
being very knowledgeable on many shows, not just this show.
And I did not place him. I screwed it up.
So our apologies and.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
We were you know how many times bab Ruth struck out.
He struck out more than anybody in major league history. Okay,
don't feel bad, Yeah, don't feel so bad.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
And he's like the best basill player of all time ever,
so it's like, yeah, you can't get one hundred if
you I love I love that everyone was reading Justice
for Kyle, Justice for Kyle, And I will tell you
this inside baseball story that could explain it. Many moons ago,
when Kyle made his first appearance, I did reach out

(02:52):
and try to book him because he's the kid from
the Sandlot and I can't remember why, but he wasn't available, right,
like he didn't want to do it or he doesn't
do interviews or whatever it was. For some reason he
couldn't do it. So I'm wondering did I purge him
from my mind? Like like, oh, he doesn't want to

(03:13):
come on our show?

Speaker 4 (03:14):
Okay, he doesn't exist.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
He doesn't exist, so that like I just forgot about him.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
So anyway, imagine not wanting to come on this show.
Can you just getting that call and saying no? I
can't imagine.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
It barely happens. That's the thing. The Gilmore stars love
Gilmore Girls, so pretty much everyone says yes. So I
think maybe that's why I was like, what he doesn't
want to come on? What? He didn't exist to me anymore?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Well, look, it was a very funny video. It still is.
Go check it out on Instagram account.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
And and Justice for Kyle Kyle does Exist.

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Again joined a movement hashtag out of it. We're going
to stand by.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
We should ask one more time, Danielle. Maybe we just
ask his name's Chauncey, right, yeah, let's ask him one
more time. Maybe we just try one more because now
it's justice for Kyle all.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Right, So listen, I'm going to do a little piece
of business here everybody. I'm going to be at Louisville
Popcorn middle of June, so go to Louisville Popcon website
get your tickets. I'm also going to be in Corpus
Christy at the end of July, and I'm working on
something for August and September as well. I'll let you know. Anyway,

(04:37):
let's get to this episode. Norman Mayler, I Am Pregnant,
Danielle synopsize us or four.

Speaker 5 (04:45):
All right, this is season five, episode six, Norman Mailer,
I'm Pregnant Air day, October twenty six, two thousand and four.
Lorlei and Suki are thrilled when a cultural icon starts
frequenting the Dragonfly in dining room in order to I
set some expenses. At the end, they have to stop
serving lunch. Dundune, Rory discovers an intriguing secret society at Yale,

(05:09):
Christopher resurfaces because he needs lorealized help, and Sukie realizes
she's pregnant.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Wow, I'll tell you and Tara, Hello, welcome, Hello, relate
than never. You're pretty early, so good. Good to see yourself.

Speaker 6 (05:27):
I made it right on time.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
You were right there. Yeah, no, no, you'll go right
on times. Yeah, yeah, I mean late. You're pretty early, Yeah,
you're pretty early.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
There's so much to talk about in this episode. I'm overwhelmed.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
It's I gotta tell you. My my reaction to this
episode was just give me more, Matt Secret, more and
more and more more. I've never seen I've rarely seen
a better introduction to a character in my whole life.
This is the way you introduced I agree.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
I know we talk about it when we go in order,
but like when he put that hat on, it said
press and he did that hit.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
I still.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
So awesome.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Genius, genius.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
I am obsessed with him. I agree.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
I think it was a television history and that that's
the thing that you would show, like I don't want
to be morbid, you know, but when we all croak,
you know, maybe they'll maybe they'll feature something for me.
I don't know, a cut like this is definitely Matt
will right like eighty years or whatever, it's going to
be sixty seventy years, they'll play that clip. That's that's

(06:39):
the beautiful clip. Sorry, Matt, I don't mean he's got
a lot, a lot of movie.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
So I have a question for you guys. And it's
not a criticism, it's not a compliment. I don't know
what it is. The opening scene for me was good,
but it was so frenetic it kind of made me uncomfortable,
Like I was like, oh, did anybody else feel that?

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Like there was you know what I think it is?
I think I think it's my fault. You know what.
I think it's my fault. I think it's my fault
as an actor because I got too caught up in
Lauren's speed and her rhythm and I didn't maintain my
own rhythm. Really, it wasn't really Luke like, was it.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
No, And now that you say it, something was like
it was a funny scene and kind of Laura I like,
but almost a lot.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
No, no, no. I thought she was great. She was fine.
She's doing her stick, that's what she does, and she's
great at it. I just don't think I served that
scene very well because I tried to speed everything up.
I tried to speed my speech up instead of just
sort of living in it and let it exist with me.
There's a way, there's but there's a way to pick
up your cues when you don't have to rush anything,

(07:47):
but you're not slowing the other person down. I don't
think I achieved that.

Speaker 6 (07:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
I thought it was funny when you said I can
never pick you up here again.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
It was just very frenetic with it, like with the
socks and then in the bites and the jeep on
because I was.

Speaker 5 (08:04):
Just like, nobody does that. No one puts their socks
in the oven.

Speaker 6 (08:10):
And I got distracted because then I was like, well,
now I know that the oven doesn't work, so they're
not warm.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Right.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
It was just I'm not saying it wasn't good. I'm
sure people.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Because you know how dared you, right, I mean, it's
this is this is us you're talking about. Man.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
It does not be critical anywhere.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I agree with you. I thought that. But there I
gave my reason, and there it is.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Yeah, that's an interesting reason because I don't know what
it was for me. It was just and I don't
know if I'm using the right word, but I think
frenetic is the right word.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
It's hard, it's hard not to get caught up and
and what she's doing, you know, but you can't let
yourself get get seduced so much. You got to maintain
who your character. Truth is, character truth is. Yeah, yeah,
it's just it's not a big adjustment. I just don't
think I made the I made the adjustment here and there,
but I just sort of let it. It was swept

(09:08):
away in it. It's not I was.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
Worried about the keys, and the keys are on the door,
those are little doors. The socks are the oven, and
then the corp light's broken. I was just like, ooh,
I don't feel good.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Yeah, was that the first time that Linke and Laurrela
have churned your stomach?

Speaker 3 (09:28):
But you know what I did like about the open What.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Did you have for dinner that night?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I have an ant acid. The thing I did like though,
that I thought was super cute was the door open,
because it started actually slow, door open, Hey, hey, back kiss,
and I'm like, they're a couple. Whoa, that's cute.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
And then it just well, he kept the door. He
kept the front door open, hoping to get her out fast,
and then when he realized it wasn't gonna happen, he
just gave up the closed door.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
So then I have another question. I usually press skip
on the credits, but this time, I didn't, and I
think there might have been some new footage. So next week,
can everybody watch because I've been skipping, so I'm not sure.

Speaker 6 (10:13):
Yeah, I usually skip too.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
So we got to watch the credits and just see
if there's some new things.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
More homework, I mean it never ends the emails, the
text can you do this? Can you do that?

Speaker 3 (10:23):
Now?

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Live on the air, you guys have more homework.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
To do that extra thirty seconds.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
So anyway, okay, then we get to First of all,
I did notice in the credits, not the opening credits,
but the you know, once the show starts, we knew
that Matt was back. I think he's like special guest
star or something in this. So I was thrilled Paris
had the dream about Rory. Rory really wants to get features.

(10:53):
Rory's in a pink, cute, pink sweater. That's sort of
what's happening.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
I like Rory in the what is it called the
al Daily News? What is it called it? Yeah, what
is the paper? What is it called? What is it called?
What's the newspaper called?

Speaker 3 (11:05):
We have to look that up exactly, and I mean
Savior letters. We know we should know it.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
All the topic at Yale Newspaper. It says, but I
love being in there, I love the action. I love Doyle.

Speaker 5 (11:16):
Yeah yeah, the Yale Daily News, Yale Daly.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
Did you know Doyle whose real names out of my
head right now, created that Michael Keaton show about the
opioid crisis? That guy is legit.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah he. I think he won or was nominated for
an Emmy for that, the Al Gore yeah election, the
Hanging Chad thing.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, and what's the opioid show with Michael Keaton? Someone
give me that.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
He did Empire too.

Speaker 6 (11:46):
It's Danny Strong he created.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
Yeah, and I didn't realize he also did that Michael
Keaton whatever it was. Somebody tell me the title. And
I saw him the dope Sick, Dope sick Yeah.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
He's been on the news a lot because ultimately he's
a writer, and so he's on strike with all the
writers right now, and so he's been on the news
quite a bit. But to me, he's Doyle prolific.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
He's a prolific writer. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (12:15):
So it's so nice to see Rory like not just
in her dorm like last freshman year, she was just
always in her dorm and I'm like, oh, she's like mingling.
Like finally, it's like a a whole year.

Speaker 3 (12:28):
You get here.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
I thought it would hurt the show, separating mother and daughter,
but it actually enhanced it. Yeah, they figured it out.
It's like I like her, Yeah, I like her. Now
she's now she's in the belly of the beast. She's
making a friends, she's doing stuff, she's interacting, and it's
all she's busy. I like to see it. I want
more to come.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Shout out to Glenn forgetting in the New York Times.
And then the bit with Doyle was.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Another another great Glenn appearance, totally like what's the big deal?
I don't care?

Speaker 3 (12:58):
And Rory trying to see the bright side for Doyle,
and then Doyle just flipping the script on her like oh, okay, really,
I'm the Muncie Messenger or whatever. He's a good character.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
He is.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
I didn't like him at first, but now I'd rather
enjoy Doyle.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Danielle, do you have any predictions for anything you see
with Doyle, Like just anything that comes off the top
of your head of what you might just predict a
Doyle prediction. Doyle prediction.

Speaker 7 (13:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
He's gonna ask Rory out to the dance.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
Oh good, I did not. That was not on my radar.
But now that you said it, we're.

Speaker 6 (13:37):
Not going to tell you.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
We're just wanting to know for the two virgins in
the group.

Speaker 5 (13:44):
On he is totally going to get a crush on Rory,
but then Rory's going to get a crush on Logan,
and then Doyle and Logan are going to hate each other.

Speaker 8 (13:59):
Are we close?

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Are We're not gonna answer that.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
I'm not saying.

Speaker 4 (14:03):
It got with the assist. I appreciate that. That was good.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
So then she goes home, goes down on the bed,
she's reading the paper. She's got Loralai on the phone. Oh,
Luke did a bit, which is I've seen this episode
a lot of times for some reason, this one and
the next one like two of my can't out. But
I'd never have loved the bit about Luke doing a

(14:31):
bit when he's in the oven and hitting his head.
But I don't know's I guess it's funny. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
She's just relax and love and enjoying herself and having
a grand old time. Life is good, the inn is open,
she's got her relationship going on, it's and she she
owned that, you know, and she was just sitting in
that chair talking to her daughter and raised her daughter
daughter's at Yale. Life is good, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:00):
I do love that she's so comfortable with Rory, with Luke,
do you know what I mean? Like, yeah, there's none
of this like not sneaking around like she had to
do before, but sneaking around like she had to do before.
It's very much like I'm here, Luke's here. This is
this is real.

Speaker 6 (15:17):
And even at the end when she's like you sound happy,
it's like yeah, like she is happy, and it was
kind of like not that she needs Rory's approval, but
I feel like it felt like that, like thanks, Like yeah,
I am very happy.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
I've never understood Rory better or empathized with her more
than this episode because she got to measure her upbringing
Luke versus Christopher in a very definitive way and it
was very touching and it was very sad. Actually I
got very very sad, and now I understood Rory more

(15:54):
and better because of this episode.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
It's a powerful moment. This episode, for being light and fun,
really actually has a lot of deep meaning.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
It'll punch into life there and give you some moments.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Like yeah, then I really I can't wait to talk
to you guys about it. So as we get there, because.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
We'll show because I really want.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
To talk about Sherry leaving and all of it. It's
like it's it's major in anyway. In the meantime, we
kind of get that Rory is sort of feeling a
little stressed because she didn't do an internship and she
feels behind and you know, so we're getting a little
of that, but it's a that's a really good scene

(16:38):
other than like morel laughing at Luke's head, hitting that.
I didn't think.

Speaker 6 (16:44):
That Rory wasted two months being in Europe, did you guys,
Because I was like, that's a whole experience that most
kids don't get at that age.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
That's experience. Yeah, I was time either, time all spent.
You know. You can you can be in a couple
of dozen riots. You can get back on your bike
keeping bike to another ryot.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
It's wonderful and good food, good drinks. Yeah, and she's
of legal age to drink. You know, lots of bros.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
I think for the rioters it's wonderful.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
I think Tar's point of spending that time with your
grandmother is invaluable. You may not see it in the moment.

Speaker 4 (17:26):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, no question.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
So then we meet Norman Mailer at the Inn, which is.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Fact, that's actually her getting your PhD and.

Speaker 9 (17:38):
Snooty yeah, or also I think you look back when
your grandparents aren't here and you're like, oh, thank god
I did that. Yeah, so we meet Norman Mailer at
the Inn.

Speaker 3 (17:53):
Now, did everybody know who Norman Mailer was?

Speaker 1 (17:58):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (17:59):
No, I thought he was a fictional character until now.

Speaker 3 (18:06):
Yeah, Well, so who is Norman Mayler?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Who is Norman may Well? I mean, yeah, he's the
guy who went to Harvard and graduated with a degree
in aeronautical engineering and was drafted into the war, volunteered,
and he fought in World War Two, and when.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
He came back A lot about Norman.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
When he came back, he wrote The Naked and the
Dead and it made him an instant literary star. When
when writers used to be the top of the food
chain and the entertainment business in America, he was the
shining light. He was the novelist. It was. It was
him and Philip Roth and John dos Passos and a

(18:54):
couple of others Updyke was up there and saw Bellow
and people like that. I mean he was a guy
who with a big ego and a big brain.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
And yeah, he wanted to be a little controversial.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Yeah, I mean there was. He he did a lot
of he did journalism too, and he kind of you know,
he blended the subjective complexity and artistry of the novel
with journalistic objectivity.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Now I don't be wrong, but allegedly he also stabbed
his wife with a pen in the heart.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Oh my god, apparently in the heart.

Speaker 3 (19:32):
Yeah that so was he not controversial when you all
had him on the show, like even though because he
allegedly stabbed the wife.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Like in the sixties, Yeah, he found his fame. I
mean I think they put Naked and the Dead was
published nineteen forty eight, so he was a star from
nineteen forty eight on. And then you know, the perception
was that he never matched The Naked and the Dead

(20:03):
and that and that by the time the sixties and
seventies rolled around, he know, he was publishing books that
didn't measure up according to some critics, and gore Vidal
went after the hardest. His friend, Well, I grew up
with with with Gurvidal and Norman Mailer. I mean, every
every man that graduated the Ivy League of the gi

(20:28):
Bill that was, you know, an English major wanted to
write the great American novel when they graduated, and he's
the guy that did it. My father included in that bunch,
and he never got the opportunity to do it until
later in his life. So right, interesting people used to
aspire to be writers. They wanted to be great novelists.
They did Hemingway. You know, everybody was so turned on

(20:51):
by Hemingway. Men, women, everybody wanted to be Ernest Hemingway.

Speaker 3 (20:55):
Interestingly, the person interviewing him is his son, So he's
not playing his son. He's playing the journalist interviewing him.

Speaker 6 (21:03):
But that is it's his real son.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yes, so that's played by Stephen Mahler. So you're welcome
for the history.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
But Mailer was controversial in that he was, you know,
pugilistic in his his academic style, his debating style. He
ran sure, he got physical with certain people, you know
New York mayor. He was kind of a tough guy.
He was, you know, he he went up, went went

(21:33):
against Gloria Steinem and the Women's movement, and he debated
them in very nuanced and interesting ways, but then got
labeled as a male chauvinist pig, which was yeah, yeah,
the phraseology of the time in male chauvinist pig, you're
a chauvinist.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
He had six wives, nine children, so it's kind of
interesting that he lived his life that Amy Sherman Palladino,
you know, wanted Norman Mayler. Yeah, because it's also like, okay,
if you think about this, when they're like Norman Mayler
is in the Inn, that only really had significance to
like the older viewers of Gilmore Girls back in two

(22:14):
thousand and four, right, Like, it wasn't like she came
back in and she's like Angelina Jolie is in the Inn,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah, Norman Mailer was to writing what Jackson Pollock was
to painting.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
He did learn that Billy Joel has come into the Inn.
We didn't get to see it, but we did learn
that Billy Joel came in and ate a lot of things.
But Norman Mayler just gets iced tea.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
So and Billy Joel barely hides it.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
Have you guys ever gone somewhere and you ordered like
just a drink, and then you feel bad and order
like a snack just because you're like like I've done that,
or you're like, I'll just get an appetizer because I
feel bad.

Speaker 5 (22:58):
I've never never just ordered a drink, unless it's like
at a coffee shop.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
That's what I was thinking, Like, I only order.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
There's always food on the table when goes there.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
But he's but he's there doing an interview. That was
the purpose of it, meet me at the Dragonfly interview.
He's not going to sit there and stuff.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
His face throw a flag on the play. If you
own an inn, right, you own an inn. There's lots
of people staying at the inn that will be coming
downstairs just for a drink, just for a cup of coffee.
So Suki maybe was totally overap, being kind of inappropriate,
Like who cares this guy. It's a it's an inn.

(23:38):
People can come down just to have a lemonade or
water or sit in the lobby if they want to.
They don't have to order even a drink. They already
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
It was manufactured sort of territorial sort of thing going on.
But it's Norman Mailer. I mean doesn't she know who
Norman Bayler is? And also the deal when that guy
comes and sits down in your restaurant, that's an icon
right there.

Speaker 5 (24:02):
So I think it would be different if her dining
room was full for lunch, you know, and Norman Mayler
was there and only getting icedy.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
I think she'd be like, I can't get a table,
taking the table.

Speaker 6 (24:13):
And she's getting her lunch taken away, So I feel
like it's just oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
So my point being, she wouldn't be bothered if there
was meant other people for her to cook for.

Speaker 4 (24:23):
But the fact that.

Speaker 5 (24:24):
He's the only one there and she's not serving him
food he only wants iced tea.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Well, and I they should be more bothered if he
was only getting iced tea if the room was full,
because he's like, like Scott said, he's holding the table.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
But then also, if I own an inn and the
chef is hassling somebody drinking tea, who's you know, a
major celebrity, I'm firing that totally.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
That's why Lorelai was sort of like a pom your
self down.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
It's like, what is going on? Man?

Speaker 3 (24:55):
They want learn it's because she's pregnant. We'll just get
to the punchline. There he learned then she's crazy in
acting nuts. So okay that Doyle gives out the assignments
and Rory gets features, Glenn gets crime, Paris gets religion.
This seems big to me that Rory got features when

(25:17):
it's like her she's so young on the paper.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
But cool, Well, let's see what she does with the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
I was on.

Speaker 6 (25:28):
I will say I was on my high school newspaper,
and I loved features because you could basically write about
like anything you wanted, like you just could. He didn't
have like sports or whatever. You got to fully pick
what you wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
And then it happens in walks logan into the newsroom
and just Doyle freaking out is just like the greatest
thing ever. And did you see, like he who's that girl? Now?
He had a girl and.

Speaker 4 (25:54):
He kind of a girl that he lanted planted a
speech on.

Speaker 3 (25:57):
Is that the same girl that he had in the
episode when they walked by the coffee cart?

Speaker 1 (26:02):
I think it was.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Can somebody from either our staff or the crack staff
figure out if that was the same girl? So that's
like somebody's mission for the next thirty minutes. So what
do you guys, I mean, I love him already, So
what did especially Scott and Danielle, what did you guys
think when here he comes and you see how studley

(26:24):
he is, and then you learn he's got this big,
rich father who's in the newspaper business.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
He's such a cool customer and to come into a
scene like that and just take over and be cool
and relaxed, and it just showed how how strong an
actor he is, and what a wonderful debut for him,
and what a great character. I just think, man, Amy
must have had a ton of fun writing that character.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Oh, I agree. So he's in the Gilmore Woldan he's
got that different rhythm right Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
Man, he's just this old guy and he I mean,
you know, is just reeking from him. It's just pouring
off him. Privilege and class and money. It's just pouring
off him. And he's not apologetic about it. You know.
He's ourgany kind of and he's distant, yet he's familiar

(27:15):
and i and warm at the same time. It's just
he's playing all these opposites. Wonderful, just wonderful to watch.

Speaker 5 (27:24):
I still don't like him.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Sorry, I still like him.

Speaker 7 (27:30):
But.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
I'm waiting. I still don't like him.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
I'm waiting for the episode to find him a little
more human, like the episode where you're like, oh, I
get it now.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
I'm still waiting for it. So I still don't like him.

Speaker 5 (27:45):
But what I will say is I do like what
he makes the people around him do. Like I do
like how Doyle is like flubbering around him like that
makes that made me laugh and I loved that scene.
And I also like how he's making Rory like call
him out, you know, like Rory is actually like like

(28:07):
not standing up to him, but she's kind of like,
you know, like hey, dude, what's up?

Speaker 4 (28:11):
You know that kind of It's.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Such a great point you're making there because so far
they're pretty much going toe to toe. It's like who
has the leg up? But I'm going to say it's Logan,
and I think it's the first time that that's ever happened.
Like they're going toe to toe, but like which we'll
get to. She has to agree to the conditions, right,

(28:35):
and when they kind of have that confrontation when she's
sort of stalking him and waiting for him, like he
won that so it's sort.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Of like, yes, yes, that's what she does.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yes, she's close and she's leveled up, right, so, which
I think he's intrigued by because most girls just kiss
him and don't don't even give him any kind of anything.
But it's still like point logan to me.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
Again, absolutely absolutely absolutely, and it's like he's in control.
She wants the info from him. He's going to have
fun with her totally. And then you know, and you
don't have to necessarily like a character to enjoy the character, right,
And he's so easy to enjoy. Are you not enjoying him, Danielle,

(29:22):
You're not like he comes on the screen. What is
your experience? Are you're not laughing? Or you know?

Speaker 5 (29:26):
Like I said, like I like what he's doing with
the people around how the people around him are responding
to him. Like I'm enjoying that a lot. So his
presence is giving me that, But him as a human
as and as a character, I'm not sold.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
I'm just sing Okay. So here's the thing. Here's the thing.
When we meet a new person, right and we don't
know them, and it's not like everybody's a little anxious,
but then they make you laugh out loud. You love
that person immediately, It's like, oh, I love this guy.
I love this girl. She's funny and and Logan does
that when he puts the hat on and he said,
you know the whole thing, I just I howled this is.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
I don't know, like just.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Like I love this guy. I don't care what he does.
You can cut a Dean all day and a cowboy
finger knoed Logan man entertaining.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
I mean, here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
When Dean first came to the picture, I was sold
within the first episode. Same with Jess, like just with
like you know, being mysterious and and different, like I
loved it right away.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
But with Logan, it's just taking me time.

Speaker 6 (30:42):
Is because he like came in hot. Is that why?

Speaker 4 (30:45):
Maybe I don't know. I'm just like he's just like
not it.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
For me right now.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
That's fine, But I appreciate his presence in the show
so far.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
I think Scott has a point too. It's like you
don't have to love like the care but you still
enjoy watching. That's such a great way of explaining it,
because that's how I felt like, I mean, clearly I
know what happens, but like even going back I'm like,
you know what, he is really fun to watch.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Oh god, he's so good. I mean, and just like
the way they dress him in the turtleneck with the blazer,
like you just know he's rich and he's handsome. And
I think it's the confidence. And what I haven't ever
figured out is is Matt Zukri playing Logan so confident
or is Matt Zugri also just so confident and natural

(31:35):
that he just can play Logan.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Let's ask him.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
We do need him on?

Speaker 1 (31:41):
We do? Oh yeah, we need to, we needed we
need We.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Get a little glimpse into Logan's sort of life and
that he like had Daddy's yacht and sunk it, and
we learn a little bit about Mitcham. Yeah, so we
learn we learn of Mitcham's existence and that Logan is
a Huntsburger, you know, and then the hat and the
whole thing. I just literally was like.

Speaker 7 (32:09):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, no, I mean, this character is taking us into
a completely new world. It's a portal that that that
Rory is going to walk through, and I am going
with her.

Speaker 10 (32:24):
Man.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
I mean, this is the best storyline in the show
in quite a while. It really truly is. I mean,
this is just the whole experience in and of itself.
This is a whole show in and of itself, right,
I think I think the spin off shows may be
inspired by this Light the Light Brigade.

Speaker 11 (32:44):
Is that what they call themselves, not to Life and Brigade,
Life and the Life and the Light Bride, you know,
And I just it's just a just a terrifically fun
fantasy experience that having you.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yeah, I was waiting for more scenes with Logan, like
let's go there.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
This new energy.

Speaker 6 (33:08):
Yeah, and this was kind of this episode was like
a tease of that.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yes, right, yeah, yeah, that's a great point. So we
go back to the inn and we've got Suki is
still going with her whole thing, which was entertaining, but
not my favorite part of the episode.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
It's like, it's a little shrill.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
It's a little shrill.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
I think I found myself turning the volume down.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Yeah, it was. And it was just sort of like
no one's doing that. No proprietor essentially is like yelling
at Norman Mailer, do you know what I mean? So
it was.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Funny when she went out and grabbed the book and said.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
It was all amusing and we understand that she's pregnant
once we get the payoffs, so it's like, okay, fine.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
But that was that was a great how she realized
that was a great real.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
We then learn that Doses is doing the what I
call the seven eleven special, having the hot dogs, the nachos,
the icy. First of all, I love an Icy, but
the hot dogs looked not good.

Speaker 4 (34:25):
I love a nacho, so I'll take the nachos.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
I love when Laura, I don't. I can't remember if
what happens to you. I think it's later when she's
like cruising down just eating. It's like so epic.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
I like how it's like the top of the town, like,
oh we got an icy machine and hot dog, Like
it's like a whole thing.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
I do love an Icy though, I do too. Now,
do you have a preference over Icy to Slurpee? And
are they the same to you guys? Or are they different.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
Like slurpies? Right?

Speaker 1 (34:56):
What's the difference? The brain freeze you get the higher
you get a quicker brain freeze with the Slurpee. With
the Icy, it's a little more subtle.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
I don't think there's a difference. Is maybe just the brand, just.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
The brand I think yeah, yeah, I don't know. ICs
are always at like the movie theaters.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Yeah, Surer have colder ice.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
I like the different it's the same products, but bold
under did anybody have the the at home? Slurpy won't
thank the makers, Like it's like an easy bake oven, but.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
But it's funny. They still sell the icy one and
thinking of buying it for the summer.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
So dope, but like it makes like one like you
have to work really hard to.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Make it a pool at your estate? Do you have
a pool?

Speaker 3 (35:44):
I mean there's like a community pool.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Well sure, I mean you can have your icy over there.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
So the easy bake oven literally we cooked cakes with
a light bulb.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
I know.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
But that's how the Slurpy, the slurping machine I'm talking
about it.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
It's like, but I Slurpy was like a social totally
now people we hang out with the seven eleven.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Yeah, there's seven eleven right by our house and we
go every day like literally slurpy every day. I'm sure
it's not good for you too, You're just like drinking.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Red sugar, red dye and sugar.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
But so that was kind of Dean looked adorable, don't
get me wrong, but they also are having sort of
a struggle because they can't schedule time. I'm not feeling
good about their future.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
No, not really.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
That went out the window a few episodes ago.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Life got in the way.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
There was sort of a funny line though, like when
he's like sex can do that also, and she's all, amen, brother, it's.

Speaker 6 (36:45):
I don't like it.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Why is it so weird?

Speaker 1 (36:49):
That's tough.

Speaker 6 (36:50):
I think it's weird because I don't know why. Like
I feel like it wouldn't be weird if it was
like at this rate, like Logan and Rory, but because
it's her in Dean, it just.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Go Yeah, he's getting all porny on her talking about
that marketing Gilmore. Girls don't do the porny talk.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
No, it's just weird. Like I get you guys.

Speaker 5 (37:14):
Had sex, but like yeah, like well you don't need
to talk about it.

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Oh god, Okay. So then we go to the meeting
with the accountant, which here's my question. If a inn
is seventy five percent occupied, that's like major.

Speaker 8 (37:30):
So there was a little bit of like huh because
she's like, when we get the profits up from what
I know, seventy five percent occupied is like amazing, like
I heard hotels, you don't even want to be like
ninety nine percent occupied because you're not able to handle that,
like when a hotel's book this goes down and all
these things.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
So they're just.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Probably so in the hole, you.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Know, Like I mean, they need to they need to
maximize profits to get back to even because they're Yeah,
they're in the rest, that's true.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
True.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
All that the big spend they did on breakfast.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
And dinners, it sounds like are going great, but lunch
is problem.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
No breakfasts, break even dinners are making some money.

Speaker 3 (38:08):
Did she say that? Yeah, oh I missed that, but great,
m and then I love that Michelle wants to deduct
his suits, but Suki's all.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Mad and my accountant would be able to deduct those suits.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
Well, your accountant might be better.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
I think he is, and I don't. I don't think
he auditioned for that part. Weirdly, so day from Delta Airlines,
I got a new they're still looking for my John.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
They still have not found it.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
They're giving it another two weeks and then they're giving up.
But they just wanted to. They just wanted me to
know they're working hard.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
When they give up, do you get any money or
is it just too bad?

Speaker 1 (38:52):
No, it's too bad. Oh you don't.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
I don't know that. So when you put your suitcase
on that thing, you're kind of like.

Speaker 6 (38:58):
I signed off.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
Just hope for the best.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I handed it to that guy. I should have just
said bye bye John, Bye bye Church. I don't want
to home now.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
And every day I think good choice on the no flying. Okay,
So then we go to Rory, who's trying to do
this boring feature, like the story she picked is so boring,
and we're in this random guy's room and he's trying
to explain like I don't know CDs or something. To her.

Speaker 6 (39:30):
I was like, he is trying to explain LimeWire.

Speaker 3 (39:33):
It was so boring, like and I think it was
intentionally boring. Like I was like, even I don't want
to hear anything this guy's saying right in his messy,
messy dorm room.

Speaker 6 (39:44):
The detail, by the way I was laying at when
that was his name, the detail in that scene of
just like I was looking in the room, like the
set design was amazing.

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Totally totally that was like a crazy, legit, kind of
geeky music y guy's dorm room yeah, but the bore
is so plainful. I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
So and then she's you were not entertained.

Speaker 3 (40:12):
So she goes to the bathroom because she lost her
train of thought because she was so boring. She goes
to the bathroom and then she sees the girl monkey
head and gorilla mask. Yeah, gorilla masks.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
How did that girl not see her in the mirror? Though?

Speaker 3 (40:27):
Great point, great point.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
I mean she's like raked off to the side. The
mirror has a pile of very wide you know the
things I notice.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
It did make me go and watch the Planet of
the Apes this weekend, though, it did make me want
to watch Planet of the Apes, which I did. I
finally watched the original nineties yeah boy, which is not bad.
It's not good, but I think it's not good in
twenty twenty three because like just the like the actual

(41:00):
effects is basically just turning the camera in circles, rightly,
what so bad? But it was like kind of amusing.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Yeah, let's put.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
It and it's like crashes in the water. But really
it's just like a camera going like this, and you're just.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
Like technique seventies techniques.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Yeah, so anyway, but.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
The ones are good, oh boy.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah, not the Mark Wahlberg one was like, yeah, that's
not great. But then the other ones.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Were put Mark Wahlberg in the jungle, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
And it was Tim Burton, but the yeah and the
different ending, right, I don't know if you've seen it,
but it's got the different ending.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
I mean I couldn't. I couldn't get through.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Now I'm doing a deep dive in Plant of the Ames,
probably thanks to Logan Huntsburger. But so Rory follows out
and she sees her get in there escalade or the you.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Know the.

Speaker 7 (42:03):
Es.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
Oh good, okay, and uh now she's intrigued.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
What did she say before she got in the car?

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (42:14):
She says in omnia. What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (42:20):
What does that mean?

Speaker 3 (42:21):
It means she looked it up? It means what does
it mean? It means we do we learned?

Speaker 5 (42:27):
Means ready for everything, for anything, ready.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
For anything, anyone in this.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
But if we were, we wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
If I'll admit it, if I can bet money, it
would definitely be amy you too.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I can't tell you what mine was, but yes, I
got a weird letter like in my mailbox and the
sorority and it said like go it was I think
it was even like I can't remember if it was
handwritten or it was like a professional like embossed letter
and it said be ready this time.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
No, No, this is so cool.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
So I know my parents and I was like, what
this weird letter? And where do they say?

Speaker 10 (43:16):
They're like, go, my dad's like it's skulling keys or
something like full secret society that's like a massive drinking thing,
which I'm like, it's definitely not that, like because I've
never even had a sip of alcohol in my life.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
But he's like, it's definitely a secret society. Just be ready.

Speaker 5 (43:33):
Was it something that he was a part of or
were you like that you were you inherited?

Speaker 3 (43:38):
Trying to figure out what I like, he was not
in it, but he knew of it. So he was
not in it because it was only girls. But he
once at the time he knew, like I wasn't going
to be murdered or something, you know, He's like, You're
not gonna be murdered. You're like, you're fine, do it. Yeah,
And my mom didn't know of it, but they still
went to the same college as me. So that's why

(43:59):
they would.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
So you did it?

Speaker 3 (44:00):
Oh I did it. Yeah, I'm in it. I can't
tell you what it is.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
That was the excitt that I got was sorority with
the secret handshake and words and things that you know.
But that this is a secret society is a whole
different level than that.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
What I can say is, so, for like I don't
know how many years, let's say fifty years, I think
probably fifty, there's a certain number of people in it,
and each person picks one in the class below. So
there's now a line of us that are in the
secret society in this one.

Speaker 4 (44:34):
So who picked you?

Speaker 3 (44:36):
She can't say answer.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Let me ask you this, Amy. I think I know
what you're talking about. Do you guys do get togethers
at the grove?

Speaker 3 (44:45):
At the grove? Well, because it's in Berkeley, it's in Berkeley.
Is there a secret thing at.

Speaker 1 (44:53):
The grove the grove? That's not it? Okay, you've answered
the question, thank you.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
And I do remember who picked me, and I remember
who picked her, and I remember who picked that person,
So I can go back that far.

Speaker 5 (45:07):
Do you call them like you're big and little, like
you're doing sorrity or no?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
No?

Speaker 3 (45:12):
And then I remember who I picked, but really I
want for me this was weird, and people listening are like,
so born.

Speaker 4 (45:20):
I was intriguing.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
It's that's why I'm saying. This whole thing is real
that they're doing. No, we didn't like do weird. We
didn't have to jump off you'll learn. But anyway, it
was very important to me the person too below me.
So when I picked the person, I said, I don't
mean to like overstep, but this is the person that
I really is. And that person did pick that person,

(45:44):
and then I don't know what happened from there.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
Do you still talk to these people who who the
one who picked you and the person who.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
Oh yeah, I definitely talked to the person the most
who's one, two, three, four above me, but we don't
talk about it very much, like forget like I can't
really remember.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
What we did, and do you do things like do
you do like?

Speaker 1 (46:04):
You do?

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Get an email every year that there's a luncheon for
the secret Society of all the people, but.

Speaker 5 (46:13):
It's only a year like a luncheon only I've never
gone to the luncheon. But what's the point of being
in part of the society if it's just a lunch
once a year, I think to because you need a party.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
I need like yeah, you get together and they help
each other out, and it's a thing.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
When you're in school. So you did, we did like
maybe five things when you're in school. But I think
it's also to be like cool, like you're in this thing.
Yeah yeah, yeah, I might need to like bring up
like are we supposed to be doing something? And it's secret?
Like I don't have a pin or any proof, like.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
There's nothing to prove too, very simple. Yeah, there's a
lot of their circles.

Speaker 5 (46:55):
Yeah, I wonder if they're at like every school because
like I don't remember that at my school.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
Well, what was that Paul Walker? Was it Paul Walker movie?
Was there a movie Skull and Bones or whatever? Wasn't
the key? What was that movie?

Speaker 1 (47:08):
And it was Matt da Was it mat and Skull
and Bones or was it not Paul Walker?

Speaker 3 (47:13):
It was some cutie with guys? What was that movie?
It's all about one of these secret societies, because even
they mentioned skull and Bones that was sort of I
think a famous one, right.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah that's what the Bush family. That's Yale, that's yeah.

Speaker 5 (47:29):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, skulling Bone, the Skulls has Paul Walker
and I knew. See, I'm sorry, it's about a secret society.

Speaker 6 (47:40):
Yeah, watch this.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
I got to do a secret society once in the
mountains where we're in a hot tub and I said,
you can get in if you get out and roll
around in the snow and freeze. And I did it,
and I realized it wasn't that big deal. They were
just joking with me. Couldn't skate it. Next he.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
We still need to talk about Logan more, but let's
dig into Christopher because this is where Christopher calls Laura
Lai and you know he needs help. I sort of
was like, oh my god, like, where the heck have
you been.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
I didn't expect him to come back.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
Oh really yeah, I didn't think he was coming, Like
I thought we were done with Christopher.

Speaker 1 (48:30):
Really well, they just had to bring him back so
Rory could knock him out.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Yeah, well, I do think.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
I do think he was working on another TV show
that obviously got canceled, so he's available for Gilmo Girls,
but he's still calling her lare Yeah.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
I have a question for everyone. Do you think that
it was wrong for him to call Laura l I
or do you think it was wrong for her to
go over there.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
But but thinking of the welfare of his child, so
he doesn't. It's it's always appropriate when the welfare of
your child is at stake, you call anybody in everyone.

Speaker 4 (49:10):
Yea, yeah, I can't pick.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Exactly it was inappropriate, but it was absolutely appropriate if
you look at it.

Speaker 5 (49:20):
Yeah, like he he shouldn't have, but he didn't have
a choice, so like I agree there, Like, yeah, from
a moral perspective, he shouldn't have called someone that he
left that, But.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
You know, it's the health of the child. The child,
I mean, that's kind of a dangerous situation.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
So empathy for Lurlai going because that is Rory's sister. Yeah,
and this is the father of her child who literally
needs help. It's like, what is she supposed to say?

Speaker 5 (49:56):
No, I do think that like Christopher and Laura I
have gone through so much together that they're always there
for each other no matter what, like, no matter how
ugly they they left.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Let me let me stop you right there. What have
they gone through together? Besides having a child at sixteen
and then I mean that's a massive thing to go
through and like that was when they were sixteen. What
have they gone through since well they've.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Really they've gotten back together, so god, so together.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
They've been there. He's been there all these all these years.
Who's been there for them? What have they gone through?
Very much?

Speaker 3 (50:35):
I mean they've gone through there.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
I'm sorry. He's a deadbeat dad. Let's let's call him
what he is. Let's call him out for what. He's
a deadbeat dad who abandoned his kid, and that's what
he is. So sorry.

Speaker 5 (50:50):
I have to if he was there, if he was
there for Rory, he would know how to help his
child exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Guys nailed it, and I'm done. That's a poster you
just got, Polister.

Speaker 3 (51:02):
He didn't actually abandon them. He was wanting to marry Larelai.

Speaker 6 (51:07):
She left, she left. I was about to say, she's
the one.

Speaker 3 (51:11):
She left so and she he didn't her after her
and go live in stars Hollow. But he wanted to
marry her.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
He was he didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
He was the child.

Speaker 5 (51:23):
He didn't He didn't want to marry her. He was
being forced by his parents to marry her. There's two
very different.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
He wanted to marry her though there's a way to
legally compel the other party. Uh to agree to include
the father in that child. He didn't do that.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
That was correct, And the reason he didn't do that
is because that would have meant Lorelai had to stay
in with the Gilmours, and he knew she wanted to leave.
She did not want to be with Richard and Emily anymore.
She wanted to take the baby and go out on
her own. So, yes, your argument is correct. It's another size.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Was he an alcoholic? Was he a drug addict? Was
he a criminal? No he was. He was not any
of those things. He could have fought for his child.
Sixteen years at least. I don't care how old he
was a child into the world.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
But you're missing the one point that was trying to do.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
He didn't try hard enough. He disappeared out of their lives.
Wait and then he comes floating back in and out,
and I'm glad he got.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
I agree that you can have angst and animosity towards Christopher,
but at the same time.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
It's no. It's anybody abandons their child and doesn't fight
for their kid.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
But then how come you're not mad at Lauren for
taking the kid, Loraly for taking Rory away. She took
Rory and left. He's sixteen, right, he's not even eighteen.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
There's because she did okay, because she did that for
her child. She Christoph thought what she did was best
for her.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Christopher did it for Lauralai. He was sixteen years old,
and Christopher's gotten His.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Obligation isn't to Laurel, it's to his child. No, but
it's to be around and be in her life, whether
it's at a distance or infrequent, but be in the
area so he's available. I don't, I don't.

Speaker 5 (53:12):
I don't think you can fault anybody for what Larelai did.
I don't think you can fault Christopher for what he
did at sixteen years old.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
But he had many years to figure it out and
he never did.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
He never did that.

Speaker 3 (53:25):
I agree he reas him. To be mad at Christopher
is not the first five years of her life. It's
the next you know, after that, And how now he's
got his himself together and he doesn't call and he
doesn't he isn't involved, So the being mad at Christopher

(53:45):
to me really comes later.

Speaker 6 (53:48):
Yeah, yeah, And I think I also think that Laurela
is not the person to say no if someone's asking
for like straight up asking for help, and I think
her going over there, like I don't think she wanted to,
but I think she knew that he's He's basically it's
him and the baby, and she's been through that by

(54:09):
herself with Rory, and she's like, well, I.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Also think there's something in Loralai who likes to be
the savior, right correct. So Christopher calls he needs her,
she goes running because she can fix everything and save everything.
I also think she said to Christopher, He's like, I
can't do this, and she basically said, in my opinion,
you have to because you didn't do it the first time.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
And I got I had the same takeaway Amy. I
thought the same thing. It's like she's like, I did
it on my own, so now you have to do
it on your own.

Speaker 3 (54:40):
Right, you blew it the first time, and now you
you you can't blow it this time.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
He's always worming out of God.

Speaker 5 (54:48):
It's just man, But now it's making me feel like
he should. Like to answer your question, Tara, I think
he isn't the wrong for calling her, Like, if I
had to pick one of the other scenario, it's that
because he left her to do.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
To raise Rory, by her herself.

Speaker 3 (55:05):
It was very selfish.

Speaker 4 (55:06):
So you know what, now it's time for him to
figure it out.

Speaker 5 (55:08):
Like, that's very like if I had to pick after
this conversation we had, it makes me feel like Teeter
on that side.

Speaker 6 (55:16):
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
Because he's feeling so whiny about it and yeah, feeling
so sorry for himself that he's in this. It's like
you just want to smack him and say, stop complaining,
stop whining, take a shower, shut up and raise your daughter. Yeah,
for God's sake, you know, really, stop stop acting this way.
Your life, the life you knew is gone. Now. It's

(55:42):
not about you, any part of you anymore. You take
care of that baby and you get act. I mean,
it's just like Laurel. I should have braced him a
little harder, but she couldn't have done it in front
of it.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Yeah, I think she did it the best way she could.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Like I think saying I did this by myself, you
can too.

Speaker 6 (56:00):
Yeah. I think the part that bothered me was that
he's like, well, I was traveling and then I came
back from being gone for so many months. Then she's
gone as if like he also didn't seem like he
was there for Gigi, right or yeah, or Sherry. So
it kind of is like, now he's like, oh, I
feel bad for me, you know, even though he also

(56:20):
wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
He can't avoid but.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
But he made it seem like he's never there, like
traveling for work. I understand if you're gone for like
a couple of days at a time, but it made
maybe I need to rewatch it the way he made
it seems like he was gone for like a chunk
of time.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:36):
I think now he's he's realizing he's stuck because Sherry's gone,
so now he has to like figure it out.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Well, and what do we think of Sherry leaving?

Speaker 6 (56:47):
I mean, I mean that.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Conversation Christopher, like she left with a note.

Speaker 6 (56:57):
With the nanny.

Speaker 3 (56:58):
Yeah, just unbelievable, And nobody really brings that up in
the episode, like wtf Sherry.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Yeah, well, it's just so shocking. How to even address
it in the moment. Yeah, that's right right there. She's poor,
poor kid, So the kid's the one that suffers.

Speaker 3 (57:21):
I guess we'll come back to talk about the scene
with Rory. In the meantime, we've got Doyle and Paris
having their moment about you know, you think he's going
to be so mad at her because she's being a lunatic,
but instead he's super happy about it. You know how
she's like offending essentially all the religious leaders. So then

(57:42):
Rory wants to change her story. And now she's digging
into the Secret Society and she learns about the life
and death Brigrade and the Umbrella Jump. We sort of
start to see the pictures. We learned that that Mitcham
was in it, or we assume Mitcham's in it because
the other the.

Speaker 6 (58:00):
Grandfather, yeah, Logan's grandfather.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:06):
We do get that funny scene where they go to
Friday night dinner and neither of the grandparents are there.

Speaker 6 (58:13):
I know, I was kind of excited to see Emily
and Richard and then I was like, oh yeah, and then.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
They want to like tear up the house and eat
pizza on the floor, and that's when she's like ready
for the gossip. Sherry left your dad Like that was.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
Sort of like that's when I felt horrible for Rory.
Did you sear your Yeah? She just yeah, I felt
all of her I felt all of her abandonment issues
with Christopher and all of her protective instincts for her
mother and this relationship come out in a couple of
different expressions.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
It was amazing acting by Alexis, right.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Because brilliant. Brilliant.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yeah, because I was very worried, and I knew immediately
that Rory was worried not about Christopher. Somehow she can
made in her emotions and faith. She was worried about the.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Pain that she of, that that void in her life. Right,
the pain of it would have been you know, what
would have been better off if he had just disappeared
and she'd never known him, Right, But the teasing of
it over the years and him letting them down constantly,
you know that that's a big hole inside her.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Yeah, you knew that this was much good she she
Alexis really did an amazing job. Because we all got that.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
We all were like, oh, yeah, she's very good. She's
very subtle, she's very lunch. She's very very good at this.
It's amazing somebody that didn't even study. She just has
all that intelligence and all those instincts. She's very easy
to watch if you just watch her face. You know,
every there's not a lot, you know, it's not histrionic.

(59:52):
It's not big facial movements or is. She's very controlled and.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Such a good That's such a great point because I'll
skip ahead when Logan and Rory are instant messaging, you know,
on the computer. There's no talking, and it's like one
of the best scenes ever because they're both like doing
amazing you know whatever, we like to call it face acting.

(01:00:17):
And then when they're doing that and then she says
I agree and he is, He's gone.

Speaker 6 (01:00:22):
I was just like, Oh, she loved that banswer too totally.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
She I think she's starting to love him.

Speaker 6 (01:00:31):
Yeah, I think she's feeling challenged by him.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
The only part I will call out from the episode
that I thought was weird is I think she would
have called him Logan, not Huntsburger. You know, when she's
stalking him and she's all, hey, Huntsburger.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
I was like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
But the thing I loved is it's the first time
Ace Ace. So remember Scott, in the beginning you did
not like it. But in the beginning of I was
doing this podcast, But now do you like it little
bit more?

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
When you love I love everything about it. I get
it now. I never saw the show, and then now
I get it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
He's like, Hay, and I'm like, I just died.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
It was so good. That's a total one ad on
my part.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
There wasn't a lot of Luke in this episode. There
was because he obviously.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Was in the opening scene and how much can you
really taske he's fixed.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
In the oven and then now he has the meltdown
over Kirk in the costume, which also made no sense
because it's like Sukie would never serve.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
But that but that was Kirk's disconnect and what a
crappy thing to do to Luke. Here is this this
this guy trying to destroy his base.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
He's dating the owner, right, that was weird.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
It was a weird move right, and we got the comedy.
It was funny as heck, But you know, also it
was like, as a community, why would you do why
would you try to missile somebody's business like that, you know,
to help somebody else?

Speaker 3 (01:02:03):
It was weird, totally agree, totally great and that was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
A strange, a strange.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
So then.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
I did see I did enjoy the visual kirkinghut, you
can't you can't live there.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Shout out to Sean Gunn because not only the Guardians,
he also just died on The Good Doctor. Just he
died so fast on the boiler alert, brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:02:28):
What is what is The Good Doctor?

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
The Good Doctor is an amazing show on ABC that
stars Freddie Hymore and it is really a good show.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
And he was on there as he was a guest star.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Just super fast, like he basically was in a car
wreck with the kids. It was gnarly, there was fog,
and then you think he's fine and then he literally
just like died.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
Well, he's got a big movie coming out to the Guardians.
I know, he's got a big part. This is like
kind of his coming out party.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
In this strench well, and his brother is like the director, right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
His brother's the writer director. And also the Marvel Studios.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
I mean, wow, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Hard to blow that addition, right studios. My dad's so sorry. Yes,
thank you, good catch, Hannah and jack thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Let's talk about the final scene.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Easton, Thank you, Easton, Thank you, Jackie. Just taking.

Speaker 3 (01:03:28):
What do you think about Rory going to see Christopher?

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Yeah, I never liked her more, I never liked him.
It's exactly what she needed to do. It was very
cathartic thing for her to do. She's probably been wanting
to do it off and on for her whole life,
and it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:43):
Needed to come from her, you know, like if Laura
I said I need you to stop, it wouldn't stop.
Like it needed to come from Rory.

Speaker 6 (01:03:52):
And I like when she said, you can call anyone,
you can call me, but don't call LAURAAI.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
Yeah, yeah, leave mom alone.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
She's protecting She's protecting everybody's heart there. She's protecting her
own because she doesn't have it. She doesn't really feel
much for him anyway. I mean she I think she
likes him because you know she likes him, right, she
gave him a hug and you know, I'm still going
to be in your life, but we don't rely on
you and don't you know, don't do this. I thought

(01:04:23):
it was a wonderful moment, her highlight. That was a
highlight for me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
And it just shows I know I always say this
and I'm so redundant, but it just shows the like
juxtaposition you can have in these episodes where it's like funny, funny, exciting, exciting,
you know, laughy, laughy, and then it's just like whah,
because it was like yeah, oh yeah, And not to

(01:04:50):
make light but those are. That is an instance when
it's okay to say leave mom alone. You don't have
to say leave my mom alone because the mom is related.
So I love this episode. I did too.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
It was Yeah, I mean, what's the what's the measuring stick?
You were going to choose, Tara.

Speaker 6 (01:05:19):
I'm going to give it nine point five iced teas?

Speaker 4 (01:05:23):
Of course, he said, iced tea.

Speaker 6 (01:05:24):
You're going to say it, fade off going first for
that one.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
Danielle oh Man, you know what I'm going to say?
Eight and a quarter uh sincd yachts off the coast
of Fiji.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
I love Daniels. Nine point seventy five Gorilla masks h
good one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
I'm going to give it. I think I'm gonna agree
with you. I'm gonna give it. I'm going to adopt
just a little bit for the opening scene of what
I took away from the episode. I'm gonna pin at.
I'm gonna put myself in the penalty box for a
little bit. I'm not gonna in criticism. I'm going to

(01:06:30):
agree with the nine point seventy five. You know what,
let's do a nine nine point What did you give it? Terror?
Nine five? Oh yeah, nine point five let's let's give
it a nine point six two five. What the difference
between YouTube five h a skull and crossbone key chains

(01:06:56):
inside of ten escalades or.

Speaker 6 (01:07:02):
I was just gonna be like hot Dog slurpy.

Speaker 3 (01:07:07):
Yeah, it's a good one, and you know it really
leads us to you jump I jump.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Jack episode I'm sorry, Season five, episode seven, you jump
you jump I jump Jack? I jump you jump Jack? Right, Yeah,
it's it's.

Speaker 3 (01:07:27):
I love next week.

Speaker 1 (01:07:29):
All right, So we're back in the high nines. Yeah, yeah,
I think if we average it out and what you
give it an eight seven five eight and a quarter
in a quarter, well, I think we're still in the nine. Sorry,

(01:07:49):
we're still like nineteen two ninety three. That yeah, I
think I think we're good. Anyway, that's gonna wrap it
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