May 24, 2021 • 44 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in. I am all in with Scott
Patterson and I heart Radio podcast. A right everybody, Scott Patterson,
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I am all in podcast. Welcome back. UM, let's get
right into Kill Me Now. This is episode three, Kill
Me Now. Every date, October nineteenth, two thousand, Rory goes
golfing with her grandfather and surprisingly has a good time
at Lora lies in a wedding? Is stressing everyone out?
My initial thoughts, I mean, Emily Gilmore, Wow, what a
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puppet master? Right? I agree, this brilliant woman. You really
learn that she is controlling things because Richard was surprisingly
hesit tend to play golf, Yes he was, and she
was like, you will do this and you will make
it great and make sure she has dessert. He wanted exactly.
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He wanted lunch, lunch. He wanted no part of lunch.
He wanted no part of it at all. And man,
I don't think that was like why did he initially
not want to hang out with his granddaughter. I don't know.
I just think he probably knew that it was going
to cause a lot of stress with Laurela and it
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would get back to her and then she would, you know,
talk to Richard about it, and he just wanted to
do He just wanted to go play golf with his buddies,
you know, and and cackle and have a beer and
have a cocktail and have a nice lunch and shoot
the breeze. And you know, he didn't want to do that.
He's not used to it. He's not he's not in
the flow of the family thing. I mean, he's so
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he's so settled into his you know, it's just me
and Emily, and they've ignored us for all these years,
and so those feelings get very hardened right over time.
So now he's got to open up all of a
sudden and like share his sacred free time away from Emily,
you know, with with the grand door. And it's like,
oh god, it's like for him, it's opening up a
can of worms. That's a great point. He had to
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do something uncomfortable. And also, like the golf club that
he was a part of was very hoity toity, like
you can tell, and bringing in your you know, your
granddaughter who has never played golf before. You saw in
those first couple of takes at the golf course where
she's just hitting the ground and the grass is flying
up and he was mortified. There's nothing worse, by the way,
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and I have been a member of a hoity toity
golf club, country club, and there's nothing worse than playing
with somebody who can't play. Not saying I'm an a
player at all, but when you have somebody like taking
up the turf like that, You're like, oh, this is
gonna be a long, slow day, slow day. Um. This
episode is so important because because of that golf, Rory
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and Stared fully bond and that becomes essential to the
rest of the series, right, because this is where he
realizes she's smart. They have so much in common, and
she is very drawn to him, and they become so connected,
which causes all kinds of problems with Laura lit Right.
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So it's about control, right, It's it's about who's going
to control the video here. It's gonna be Emily, is
gonna be Laura, And you know, it's like, you gotta
do what's best for your kid. And that came you
know that Laura I came around to that she realized
this was going to be ultimately beneficial for her and
that she was going to have to suffer through this
and just swallow her ego you know, and let Emily win.
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What was a great line. Um how when they're fighting
about their boots with the irrational anger, you might have
to think you just did what I mean, you can
carry it. It's like may you you may use but
I know I can't. I never would. Um. Yeah, that
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was major that they had that big old yes yes.
And it's it's the fear of losing your daughter. It's
the fear of losing you know, that closeness. I mean,
there's there might be a bit of an unhealthy aspect
to that mother daughter relationship. I mean, if we really
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want to psychoanalyze it, it's like if you're that close,
I mean, is it is it choking? Is it choking?
Alexis is it? Is it? Is it too much? Right?
And who's the mom and who's the daughter? Because a
lot of times Rory has the clear head and right right.
So ultimately she was well raised. But is it too
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much of a you know, too much of a cage
she's put her in into. Is it too much friends?
Mother daughter? You all to realize that Emily, we started
to talk about this is totally in control. One. She
says to Richard, you will go, you will do this.
And remember when she when Laura Lai goes into the
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like whatever that side room is on the Friday night
dinner and Emily convinces Laura la that the gulf is
the right thing. And it worked. So Emily, really, like
you said, is the puppet master. She's got everybody either
doing what she wants, are doing the right thing unclear
which it is? Um, yeah, and it ultimately, and both
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women are displaying an extraordinary level of selfishness. But like,
who's got Rory's best interest at heart ultimately? And I
think it's Emily, And I think she wins that round.
I mean, let's give it to her because that is
the best thing for her. And all families go through this,
especially when there's grandkids, right, and there's maybe some some
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tension between the husband or the wife and and and
one parent and there's bitterness and resentment going back and
it hasn't been resolved and it gets on the kid
and the grandkid and oh my god, it's just a
circle jerk at that point. Everybody. Everybody goes through this.
This is every family, which is why the show is
so appealing. This is universally experienced through all families and Uh,
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it's just you know, the way the way they do
it on Gilmore Girls is especially satisfying because it is
so clearly mapped out. It's so you know, you can
really feel the beats. You can not so much you
can anticipate it. But man, it is so rife with humor.
What was the line that uh Laurel I had that
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was so funny in the kitchen? She says, uh, yeah,
what are you, Bob Barker? It's like, it's what are
you trying to win? Like? What's going on? Emily says,
if Roy goes and has a great time with you,
then I win. Okay, Burger. So let's quickly before we
move on from this scene. This is where the mistake happens.
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They talk about Laura Lai the first and you could
interpret that she has passed away. They say was like
three times. But we know those of us that have
seen it or we're there that Mrs cunney Ham later
plays Grandma, great grandma, whatever you wanna call it, Loreli
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the first Mary and Ross, who to many people is
known as Mrs cunney Ham. So I don't know. Here's
the question for you. Is it a mistake or do
they later change their mind when they're writing and they realize, oh, hey,
you know what, we should have Mary and Ross come
in and play Richard's mother and we've got this whole
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storyline with her, and do they sort of just like
hold people forgot what happened in episode. I think that
it's like it's it's you know, what are we gonna
what are we going to get out of this? We're
gonna get so much more out of Amary and Ross
coming on than you know, some fans being a little
irked at right a couple of Reddit threads where people
are like the right because there's so much It just
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deepens the show and gives it so much more dimension.
I mean, it's like the Kirk thing, right, It's like
he didn't have a name. It's like Amy trying to
figure out where he fits in and how he fits in,
you know, and and uh, you know Laura La referring
to him as that go help that guy over there,
not Mick, not Nut Kirk, just that guy over there.
So yeah, I think in the beginning, you you get,
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you get forgiven, You get forgiven a little bit at
the beginning because they obviously felt and we all felt
it was going to be a long run anyway, so
it's like, what the hell, just go for it. You know.
What else do you realize in this episode is how
good Laura Lae is at her job with that wedding
with the twins on the Twins and they. I think
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that I would assume that's intentional because you really realized, Man,
she's a pro at this, even the super salad. Let's
have both, Like she's putting out fires, you know, and
solving all those problems. What's your take on that? I
think I think that's where her breeding. Okay, that's where
her d n A kicks in, because that's where she's
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more familiar because that's what she's used to and that's
what she grew up with. The country club. She knows
what great services she because she's she's demanded it, and
she's seen Richard and Emily demanded when she was a child.
Can you imagine somebody coming like Richard asking for a
drink at the country club, give me a Scotch on ice,
and the kid brings it without the ice, and Richard going,
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excuse me, you know what I mean? And then the
kid brings him a glass of ice, and then Richard says,
excuse me, So it's breeding. So she's not in her
comfort zone raising a child. She's figuring it out. But
with the the end, no, that comes naturally. There's also
the scene when they were at the dinner table and
there's this awkward exchange with the maid that was taking
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care of them, and she said, oh, it's my new cook, Mira,
who turns out to really be Sarah, but Emily misheard
the name. And it just becomes established that Emily goes
through many cooks and maids often. So that kind of
was like a big red flag for me. I was like, oh,
there's something there. Yeah, well yeah, that's they demand snap
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a finger kind of service and don't screw it up
or you're gone and you can't know it. And unless
you've grown up that way. Because when the mother of
the twins is like worried about this, worried about this,
worried about this, and lower Lae just has it solved,
Has it solved? Has it solved? You're like, Wow, she
runs this in like a box. She's a classy, educate,
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well somewhat educated, very very intelligent, well bred person who
has made some choices that run counter to her upbringing, right,
and that's the show. Another perspective I think is it's
the one thing more like can control. Like she can't
control Rory, she can't control Emily, So all these things
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at the end is something that she can control, and
that's why she's so good at it. Yeah, yeah, and
what a great who's the actress that played that? Was it?
Mrs Scales? Megan Faye, the mom of the twins. Yes,
she was brilliant and uh a perfect counter lare and
and sending up and being so on it where I
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will send you somebody up for a massage. It looks
amazingly similar to Antonio bandair. So, I mean every week,
how dense these episodes are. There isn't thirty seconds wasted
on this show. All right, let's take a quick break, gang.
When we come back, we'll talk about the club. Okay,
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we're back. We're talking about the country club. The very tony,
very expensive monthly fees and huge initiation feed, the hundreds
of thousands of dollars. So I kept going through my
mind was how rich are the Gilmore You know, I
think his stock options are probably I mean back then,
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I mean a hundred million, fifty million I've had some
you know, I've friends that are CEOs and x CEO
is a big, big corporations, and uh, and they're doing
a couple million a year in salary. It's not it's
not really the salary, right. The salary is good, right,
and maybe up to five million a year in salary,
but it's the stock options well. And Richard, I don't think,
grew up struggling. It seems like there was family money
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and family money on families, right, exactly, exactly. So okay,
so the club. What did you think of the scenes
at the club? Specifically, I'm obsessed with the steam room.
The most odious woman in the world, not just at
the club. I mean, that's the funniest part of it
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because when she rolled up and I thought, I thought, oh,
here's something. That's why Richard didn't want to go. Maybe
there's something going on here, you know, maybe he didn't
want to be disturbed or found out that he was
maybe having somewhat of an emotional affair with somebody else,
you know, because but no, of course, you can't do
that to that character. You lose respect for him. So
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he I liked that Richard bonded with Rory over the
you know, her travels to Fez and books, but also
her sort of gossipy stories about what was going on.
He really was on her level, and I think all
of a sudden you realize these two are besties now.
And what he probably doesn't realize and doesn't want to
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admit because he's still angry, is at Laurel I probably
did a heck of a job raising her. Good job.
She knows, she's aware of she's literate, she's reading the
right books. You know, she's saying the right thing. She's
a very proper young lady and very respectful. She can't
play who cares. But that's you know, he's going to
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have to admit to himself at some point he can
play against that. And that's that's gold for actors. Is
that maybe Laurel E isn't such a screw up. I mean,
if you can raise a daughter that's that spectacular, you
did something right, you know that just doesn't happen. Yeah,
that's a great, great point. So, yeah, what is your
take seeing that relationship between Richard and Rory, Like, how
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important is what we're seeing developed? Well? Well, I think
it's important for both of them. I think it's uh.
It enriches Rory's life. It gives her a father figure,
I mean somewhat of a five father figure that isn't
Luke um and it's a it's a it's a man
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that is her blood, that she can trust, who has
her best interested hearts, and that could re really you know,
affect some very positive change within her, which I think
we see immediately in the in the conflict with Laurel
I that fight when he calls her right away at
the end, right, which is a hilarious line. Yes, I
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don't know how many people call you dad when Laurela answers,
but right he called he never called the inn and
calls Rory. It's like, why would anybody admit that that
they're your father? And then at the very end, you
see the three of them go into the library to
look at the books and Laurela is left in the
I don't know what room that is the living room
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or the sitting room room. Yeah, that's yeah, that's the
main living room. Yeah. We we we shot a lot,
We shot a good amount in the revival in that
living room. It's it's a very large area. Um. Yeah,
and I think you know and the cooler Alexis was,
the cooler Rory was. And that fight scene, the boob scene, Um,
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the the angrier she got Laurel I got, and and
and it's and it also shows that on a certain
level that Rory is far more mature than her mother.
So there in lies that dynamic in that conflict too,
because I mean she just was very cool about it,
a very matter of fact about it. And she wasn't
and there's nothing diabolical about it. She wasn't even thinking
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about how it affected Laurel I personally, right, how she
must be feeling, because who thinks that way? Right? Who
on Earth thinks that way? So it's that dysfunction that
fractured relationship with their parents. That is, that is, you know,
providing all of the fuel for this, and and and
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and the Paladinos really cashed in on that. I mean
that is just like the nuclear fuel of the show.
Was anyone else surprised that Rory was late date attempt
at sabotage? They gave Richard some funny lines like when
he said it was cooler at eight, But I was
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surprised that she was late. Um, yeah, I mean it's typical, right,
It's like I didn't set the alarm and sorry, and
maybe you just can't go. You'll miss it and he'll
leave and because he's not gonna miss his tea time, right,
you don't miss your tea time in places like that,
you don't make people work. It was just about to
say that you can't miss your tea time if you're late.
You don't got it. Yeah, you you forfeit it. And
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uh so, yeah, that was an attempt at sabotage that
wasn't scripted, but it's implied. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Well
should we dig into Jackson and Suki for a session?
Daniel has some thoughts. I just I thought that that
debacle was probably like my favorite part of the episode.
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Like I love seeing Suki and Jackson fight fight over
the strawberries and the blueberries, and at the very end
Suki got her way with the strawberries. I just loved
all of it. I thought it was fantastic, uh to
to to to put an exclamation point on that and
to have um a Suki go after him down the street.
I mean, that is wacky, stars, hollow, harmless, a little
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hamlet at its finest. That is that is as dangerous
as it gets there. I mean, that's that That just
defines what Stars Hollow is. It was a perfect love
that because of the strawberry debacle, it teas up the
fact that it's blueberry shortcake that then Rory and Laura
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li I bring over to Emily and she says, you
brought me used blueberry and then Lauraa goes, no, it's
left over dessert. As if there's a difference, like that
is the genius that if there wasn't that, we wouldn't
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have the bit at the end that makes you laugh.
That was intention and all that was intentional. That was like,
I'm sure that was not her lack of breeding. It
was like, deal with it. I don't like you right
here you go. It's just so funny that that may
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be one of the funniest moments of the entire thing
that that entire episode that was that was fantastic. Um um,
what else can we get into? Well, okay, so the
twins on Twins, this is the crazy thing. So we've
learned in television there's like an A plot line, there's
like a B plot line and a C plot line.
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So would like the A would be the golf and
the father the grandfather, tranddaughter. Then the B is the
twins on twins and you've got this ridiculous wedding and
the whole thing. And then the C would be maybe
the strawberry controversy. But the thing that's so amazing about
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this show they're all tied together. Um well, when you
have that many characters, you pretty much have to create
multiple storylines or else you know, what are you gonna
do with them? And you've got so many of these
great actors and the great characters that were created for
this reason. Um you know, not to utilize them as
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a crime, but uh yeah, when they're that distinct, when
when the voices are that distinct, it's kind of easy
to develop storylines if you just think in terms of
stars Hallow, like, how can we make a wacky, funny
thing And imagine how much fun Amy and Dan had
creating the blueberry versus strawberry thing and then they're chasing
down the street at the end of it. I mean,
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it's just like you know, the roaring with laughter developing
that stuff, because that's the fun of writing. It's like
collaborating with your partner who happens to be your husband
or your wife and making this funny stuff. Well, can
you talk about that? Because on one end we have
this very serious stuff, you know, Julie, the relationship between
Emily and Lorelei and Rory is very serious and emotional.
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Then you have these two other things that are completely
outlandish and over the top. Of the twins marrying twins
with the mother that sort of can't stand their twin daughters,
and then Jackson and Suki brawling over the strawberries. It's like,
you can they go outlandish? Another stab like that's over
the top and wacky. That's what makes the drama portion
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of it so powerful because when you return to that,
you know you're not you're but there's still an element
of wacky in in Emily Laureli. There's all those little lines,
all those little funny lines, but it's so much more
fraught with with conflict, right, and it's always so well
placed because the one thing that I know about screenwriting
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and not so much about television, uh, is that if
you're gonna put a scene of conflict, dialogue scene of conflict,
not an action scene, but a dialogue. If you're gonna
talk conflict, it's got to be late in the second
act and it's got to be extreme conflict and that
propels it into the third act. And they do that
very well in this show. And I think television is
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broken up into I don't know, five or six acts.
I know I never I never wrote it. I wrote screenplays,
but I never wrote television series. It's I don't understand
the dynamic of the structure of it. It's a it's
a different structure, but um, there are similarities. But but
that's those are the big moments in the kitchen, when
they're going at it and it's really serious. That's when
you can do it. You do it kind of two
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thirds uh into the piece or two thirds into the air,
so about forty minutes you do it minutes, um. But yeah,
you can't have that impact. So you can't land hit
so hard unless you have the wacky And that's the
beauty of the show because you know you're gonna get
the comic relief after. You know you're gonna get the
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build up after. So you're just sort of playing with
everybody's emotions and you're giving them all these laughs and
all these waggy characters and it's all harmless, harmless, harmless,
So it seems so much more pronounced, so much more
serious between mother and daughter when they're really going at
it and they're both lions, right, I mean, these are
these two women are not backing down and they're really
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delivering big shots. So it's and plus I mean, look,
let's let's let's put it in a boxing terminology. You
get that one to punch with the with Emily and Laurel,
and then the punches keep coming with all those thirty
other characters, and it's overwhelming. I mean, it's just like
it's a joy. It's a joy to watch. I mean,
if you were be happy if somebody were beating you.
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But maybe a bad analogy. Uh, let's think of something
else besides sports. So but that, but that's really the point.
It's like they know structure, They know where to put
the scenes of the most conflict um and then know
how to set them up because all that other stuff
is just set up. It's set up. And I wouldn't
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say window dressing. It's not that that would be insulting.
It's just color. It's there. There's so many different colors
to this, this this canvas. So there you go. Yeah,
all right, everybody, we're back. It's Scott Patterson with I
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Am All in podcast on My Heart. We are joined
by the illustrious Valerie Campbell, who worked in the wardrobe
department on Gilmore Girls. So your forte on Gilmore Girls,
as you have stated before, UH is less about fashion
and more about the behind the scenes stuff and what
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it was like working on the show. And you took
care of the actors on the set and there was
um and from their season one episode ten until the
very end, including the reboot where you were the costume
supervisor UM and you were responsible for breaking down the
scare ups and hiring crew, making a budget and make
sure everything in the costume department happened. UM. So tell
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us a little bit about how you got the job
and what the experience was like. Well, you remember Brenda.
Brenda was our costume designer towards the end from season
three on. He called me up one day and she said, Hey, Valerie,
I've got I got this show I want you to
help me on. It's called Gilmore Girls. But I swear
to god, I thought she said Gibson Girls, which is
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more of a relation to like a period film. And
I'm like thinking, oh, it's a period film, and I'm
looking at the TV guide and I think it was
the golf episode with Richard that was in the TV
guide and I'm like, huh. And then I get to
set and I'm like, this is not a period film
in no way. Now, you mentioned the golf episode. That
was the first time I got to work with rich
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with with Ed, the first time I actually when Rory
took him. Okay, right, okay, but yeah, do you remember
in the golf episode and it might have been your episode,
or it might have been the time that he took
um Chris golfing. Um, there was a medic off in
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the distance and they swung a golf the Ed swung
his thing and it went off, he says, four, and
it hits the set medic in the head and she
ended up getting a head injury that day. It went
through this like she was sitting behind the lattice work
right right, because everybody was hiding because it was like
you saw everything. Oh boy, photos, I mean I still
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have all my photos from continuity from that. Could not
have felt good. He was a big, powerful guy, you know.
Oh boy, Well, I hope she's okay. So bad? She
was right, she was all right. She just you know,
it luckily was buffered a little bit for it to
go through where she was sitting, right, it was crazy, right.
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So the thing that I'm marveled at the most, and
I think the toughest job on the reboot especially was
keeping all of those costumes organized because we were block shooting.
I mean we would shoot. I mean describe that experience
because we had to shoot four different episode costumes in
one day sometimes. Unlike the original show, we had all
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the scripts so we knew exactly what was going on,
whereas when we shot the original, we'd get the script
like as we were shooting, so you had a better
chance to prep on the Yeah, so we had a
lot of prep time. But the big problem was casting.
They wouldn't cast everyone until I mean I'd be on
the phone at ten o'clock at night talking to Jamie, going, Jamie,
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can you please give me a hint as to casting
through tomorrow? And and sometimes and then the person would
like come in and I would call them and I'm like,
bring whatever you have in your closet because I go anywhere,
and we would have to run around getting stuff. But
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you know, we broke down the scripts, got it, hired
the crew, but The most amazing thing was walking in
the costume department the first my first day on the revival,
and I don't I don't know if you remember been inside.
There was the wall of everyone's head shot and I
walked in and I was just like, oh my god,
this is weird. Seeing Lauren on the back lot. You
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just walk her and we would both just be like,
this is so weird. I mean, it just was so
much fun. Yeah, they really, um, you know, I don't
know if the fans know this, I'm sure they've read
about it, but that's set on the reboot was extra special.
I mean there was I think you know, there was more.
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There was just I think more money involved there. And
they built some magical They built this magical set. I
mean even Luke's diner was popping with color. And they
had spongy floors because I guess the sound apartment. And
I said, hey, you know, we get a little we
have to do a lot of a d R and
loop a lot of the lines because of the creaky floor.
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So they put in a spongy floor and it was
really nice to work. I didn't, you know, I didn't
get a chance to hang out on set like I
did in the original, because the original I was there
seven every moment you guys were shooting. Um and so
I was stuck in the office and I walk into
set and I'd have like the memory of what it
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was like. And then I'd walk in and I'm like, oh,
that's different. Like the entire structure of like Loyalized house
was set up slightly different. Um Ed's house, you know,
the Gilmore House became bigger, a little bit bigger, and
they added a couple of rooms and but it was
wild how close everything was. And the most amazing memory
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was walking in to the Gilmore Mansion and seeing the painting. Yes,
I don't know if you walked in there at all,
but yeah I did. You know, I had some things
in there was powerful. Took my breath away. It made
me I was crying, like, I mean just silently crying,
but I was crying because Ed and I were we
were really close friends. We would I mean we hung
(30:19):
out years after and um, I even like a month
before I had gone an email from him because we've
had these parties and I did invite him to the
parties and he, uh, he was like, oh, I'm sorry,
I'm going to not be able to make it. I
had no idea he was about to pass or very
close to, you know, at the time, and I felt
(30:40):
I felt so bad. I didn't know until they called
me a couple of days before he passed, and I
was just in shock. I was like, oh my god, special,
So let's do some questions. Okay, and uh, we're gonna
we call this a little rapid fire, so I'm going
to just fire at you. So give me your first
impressions and memories of the following. Alexis, Oh, just so sweet.
(31:06):
I remember her little dog. She would always bring it
to set towards the end, and she was just so
shy and Okay, here we go. The next one. Lauren.
Lauren so smart, I mean, memory like a steel trap.
She could here's something once and repeat it back like
(31:26):
she had no problem. Sean Gun a man, his jobs,
all the jobs that he did. We just we just
talked to him. We did the Kaiko Kiko her glasses.
There was an episode where she didn't have her glasses on.
We had to reshoot the scene. Oh god, the whole thing.
(31:50):
It was with Liza. It was at the Yale. I guess,
I guess, I guess she was. Liza was happy. Jeez,
the best work she ever did. Got to do had it?
But you know, Lies is such a pro. They actually
shot that scene really quickly and it was the first
scene back Steve was directing purpose Steve Clancy are steady camp. Yes, yeah,
(32:13):
he was directing that. He directed. He was the first
shot back from Christmas. Right. Okay, Wow, you have a
great memory, Dean. Jared Jared, Uh, there was a scene
where he didn't wake up and show up for work
that day. It was all about him and it was
I think he was with Lindsay at the time. They
(32:35):
had just gotten married, I think, and they had to
break into his apartment. But he was a sweetheart. I
love Jared kids. Uh, Luke Jaynes me who Yes, let's see.
I remember you would come to set sometimes randomly when
(32:58):
it wasn't your day on and you would be like
taking a little like cancer patients or people like make
a wish and you would give him a tour of
Starr follow And I remember that and I was like, oh,
that's so sweet. Yeah, that's that was Those were Those
were tough ones, you know, because a lot of those
kids didn't make it. So those were those were tough ones,
but always great to do that. Um all right, uh,
(33:22):
I want to get into a debate, like you know
and kill me. Now I wore denim, right, I wore
that then. I'm sure I liked that denim. Sure. And
I remember coming to you guys, say why am I
not working? Like in season two or three or four,
It's like, why am I not? So? What was the
deal between the denim and the flannel? Let's get into
that a lot. I don't you know what. It's more
of a brand of question. I've got to say because
I wasn't. I wasn't there when you initially got put
(33:45):
in the denim. And I just remember you always had plaid.
You had you had your uniform, and it was like
a uniform. You know, you had your hat, you had
your plaid shirt, you had your either a T shirt
or thermal. I remember it used to be you just
wore thermals under that plaid. And you were like, it's
getting so hot. Can actually sleeps? I have to wear
(34:07):
him down? And I'm like, okay, let's figure it out.
You tried to make it comfortable, and then I remember
at one point you were like, can I get this
a little bit more fitted. I don't really like the
fit of this. And so we went through every single
plaid shirt you had, and you told me which one
you liked, made piles on your on your on the
(34:30):
bed in your trailer, took him away. I got rid
of the other ones, retired them, and I think there
was like a moment where you had to wear one
of the old ones because there was like maybe we
had to reshoot something like with someone, and so you
had to wear it, and uh, and I was just like,
I'm so sorry. But the opposite occurred because I was
(34:52):
I was in really good shape back then, and I
didn't want to look like I was overweight and was covering.
And then when I came back for the reboot, you know,
I was like, I think I was asking for oversized
shirts because I wanted to cover. I wanted to coverage.
We pulled out those old ones from from I do
I remember that. I remember this. I remember the thermals
(35:13):
under but you had to do it because it's you know,
it's winter, but it's a hundred and ten in Burbag.
Sure now. I also remember originally you had two hats
and one day we lost one of them and we
were down to one hat, and I was freaking out
because my job is a set cat from first of all,
(35:33):
where the hell is the hat? So it must have
been like you put it on a chair, the prop
guys grabbed the chair and somehow it went somewhere someone
grabbed it. I mean there was a lot of thievery
at Warner Brothers, like in the back lot. People just
walk into those sets and stuff. And so I'm freaking
out and I was like, Okay, we gotta make you
a new hat. And so Brenda was like, I don't
(35:54):
have time to find a hat or you know what,
the hats we're not the exact same color and it
had to be exact. So we found fabric, we got it,
died to match, we found a company to make a hat.
And I was like, I don't usually that's not really
part of my job at that time for that specific
part of that episode. And I got handled with doing
(36:14):
it because I had lost the hat or it was
dull lost on my watch, and man, I had that
done and I was like, oh okay, and so now
we had ten hats. I don't know what could have
happened to that that original hat. I mean, I have
some suspects. I'll make some phone calls. I just I
(36:35):
just don't know. I think that you might have taken it. No,
you did not me. I would know you wouldn't have
taken off, but I no, no, I wouldn't have done that. Um. Anyway, listen,
we are so pleased that you could visit. We'd love
to have you back down the road. Thank you for
coming on. This was great. It was great catching up
(36:56):
and um and ladies, since gentlemen, uh one of the uh,
the very very important uh people on the set. Uh
that pretty much ran that set. I mean, nothing really
happens without wardrobe. And if there's a change or if
there's something a little bit off, everything stops in. Valerie
(37:18):
and Brenda and um, Sasha, Yeah, how's she doing? How's
she is she around? She's good, She's she's working on
Picard Actually, Okay, tell her. I said hello, um, um,
and you guys would come in and save the day. UM.
So thank you so much for spending a little time
(37:38):
with us, and we'll talk to you soon. Valerie, thanks
for coming on. Okay, take care all right, bye bye,
Hey everybody, we're gonna get into uh fan questions. We're
gonna do this every week, So let's let's get into this. Hi.
How you doing. Huh? You're on the podcast. What's your name? Amber?
(38:05):
Nice to meet you, Amber. I'm Scott. Hello. Hi, Scott.
Is so great to meet you. It's great meeting you.
Where where are you right now? I am currently in
New York. Oh gosh? Okay, and you're wearing a Luke sweatshirt.
Let me say, is that? Is that what I'm saying that?
It's not like coffee with my okay, with my oxygen.
(38:29):
I did think about wearing my Luke and that might
be pushing it. Okay. So Amber, you have a question.
What was it like working with Edward Herman? Oh? My god,
it was it was. It was great. You know, ed
he cast you know, he was such a dynamic figure
(38:51):
in the world of acting a and then when he
was on the show, it was like you're working with
this sort of living legend from all from his resume,
all the work that he's done. And you know, I
was aware of him growing up. I've seen him in
a million things. And then when I found out I
got the show and it became a series regular. Eventually, um,
(39:11):
I realized that I was going to be working with
a living legend and Ned Herman and I remember that
first day working with him in a scene was at
the golf his golf course, and we went golfing the
whole thing, and it was just it was just just
this wonderful day. You know, you were off the set,
you were at an actual golf course, and and I
was playing golf with that Herman and he it was
(39:33):
just it was a really wonderful experience of marvelous day. Um.
But it was a lot cooler than sitting in those
tone hall meetings, uh as it was. Yeah, they were
very hot, sweaty affairs. Um, but yeah, fun to do
a lot of fun. They took. They took a long time,
but it was fun to do. So whenever you went
out for the part of Luke, did they tell you
(39:55):
how your character was going to be or did you
just read the script kind of know it's probably a
little grumpy and just kind of go with it and
stuff like. Was that just your take on the character?
You know, there wasn't a lot of um, you know,
in the script, there wasn't a lot of information descriptive
information provided. It was a pretty pretty bare um which
(40:20):
is good. I mean that's you don't really want to
read a lot of scenic descriptions when you're reading a script.
I mean a lot of the better scripts don't have that,
and they allow for the actor to sort of fill
it in and you know, just reading the script. And
I did get the script to read, um, you know,
it was there was so many very light and very
(40:42):
sort of perky, happy, sunny characters in it, um that
I thought, boy, this needs this needs an anchor, This
needs a little different kind of energy, you know, or
else it's just the whole show is going to float
away and it won't be believable, um or as believable.
So I thought, okay, I think this character is a test.
(41:06):
You know, they're they're testing me out to see if
I am aware of this and of what the show needs. Uh.
And so that's how I prepared it and went in
and performed it in the audition. You know, it's a
little a little bit of a crank and you know,
playing against what you know, the normal small town kind
of friendly you know guy is I just thought, boy,
(41:28):
that would be redundant and kind of boring, and and uh,
you know, you got to take risks in these auditions
and um, you know, so that's that's what I did
and it worked out to my to my amazement, to
my utter amazement. So anyway, all right, so we're gonna
say goodbye, and I thank you so much. Amber. It
(41:50):
was great having you on and good luck with your
renovations in your home, you know. Okay, so thanks for
visiting us, and there's a pleasure having you. Okay, alright,
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(42:52):
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(00:22):
I am all in podcast. Welcome back. UM, let's get
right into Kill Me Now. This is episode three, Kill
Me Now. Every date, October nineteenth, two thousand, Rory goes
golfing with her grandfather and surprisingly has a good time
at Lora lies in a wedding? Is stressing everyone out?
My initial thoughts, I mean, Emily Gilmore, Wow, what a
(00:48):
puppet master? Right? I agree, this brilliant woman. You really
learn that she is controlling things because Richard was surprisingly
hesit tend to play golf, Yes he was, and she
was like, you will do this and you will make
it great and make sure she has dessert. He wanted exactly.
(01:08):
He wanted lunch, lunch. He wanted no part of lunch.
He wanted no part of it at all. And man,
I don't think that was like why did he initially
not want to hang out with his granddaughter. I don't know.
I just think he probably knew that it was going
to cause a lot of stress with Laurela and it
(01:29):
would get back to her and then she would, you know,
talk to Richard about it, and he just wanted to
do He just wanted to go play golf with his buddies,
you know, and and cackle and have a beer and
have a cocktail and have a nice lunch and shoot
the breeze. And you know, he didn't want to do that.
He's not used to it. He's not he's not in
the flow of the family thing. I mean, he's so
(01:49):
he's so settled into his you know, it's just me
and Emily, and they've ignored us for all these years,
and so those feelings get very hardened right over time.
So now he's got to open up all of a
sudden and like share his sacred free time away from Emily,
you know, with with the grand door. And it's like,
oh god, it's like for him, it's opening up a
can of worms. That's a great point. He had to
(02:12):
do something uncomfortable. And also, like the golf club that
he was a part of was very hoity toity, like
you can tell, and bringing in your you know, your
granddaughter who has never played golf before. You saw in
those first couple of takes at the golf course where
she's just hitting the ground and the grass is flying
up and he was mortified. There's nothing worse, by the way,
(02:35):
and I have been a member of a hoity toity
golf club, country club, and there's nothing worse than playing
with somebody who can't play. Not saying I'm an a
player at all, but when you have somebody like taking
up the turf like that, You're like, oh, this is
gonna be a long, slow day, slow day. Um. This
episode is so important because because of that golf, Rory
(02:59):
and Stared fully bond and that becomes essential to the
rest of the series, right, because this is where he
realizes she's smart. They have so much in common, and
she is very drawn to him, and they become so connected,
which causes all kinds of problems with Laura lit Right.
(03:22):
So it's about control, right, It's it's about who's going
to control the video here. It's gonna be Emily, is
gonna be Laura, And you know, it's like, you gotta
do what's best for your kid. And that came you
know that Laura I came around to that she realized
this was going to be ultimately beneficial for her and
that she was going to have to suffer through this
and just swallow her ego you know, and let Emily win.
(03:44):
What was a great line. Um how when they're fighting
about their boots with the irrational anger, you might have
to think you just did what I mean, you can
carry it. It's like may you you may use but
I know I can't. I never would. Um. Yeah, that
(04:07):
was major that they had that big old yes yes.
And it's it's the fear of losing your daughter. It's
the fear of losing you know, that closeness. I mean,
there's there might be a bit of an unhealthy aspect
to that mother daughter relationship. I mean, if we really
(04:27):
want to psychoanalyze it, it's like if you're that close,
I mean, is it is it choking? Is it choking?
Alexis is it? Is it? Is it too much? Right?
And who's the mom and who's the daughter? Because a
lot of times Rory has the clear head and right right.
So ultimately she was well raised. But is it too
(04:50):
much of a you know, too much of a cage
she's put her in into. Is it too much friends?
Mother daughter? You all to realize that Emily, we started
to talk about this is totally in control. One. She
says to Richard, you will go, you will do this.
And remember when she when Laura Lai goes into the
(05:11):
like whatever that side room is on the Friday night
dinner and Emily convinces Laura la that the gulf is
the right thing. And it worked. So Emily, really, like
you said, is the puppet master. She's got everybody either
doing what she wants, are doing the right thing unclear
which it is? Um, yeah, and it ultimately, and both
(05:36):
women are displaying an extraordinary level of selfishness. But like,
who's got Rory's best interest at heart ultimately? And I
think it's Emily, And I think she wins that round.
I mean, let's give it to her because that is
the best thing for her. And all families go through this,
especially when there's grandkids, right, and there's maybe some some
(06:01):
tension between the husband or the wife and and and
one parent and there's bitterness and resentment going back and
it hasn't been resolved and it gets on the kid
and the grandkid and oh my god, it's just a
circle jerk at that point. Everybody. Everybody goes through this.
This is every family, which is why the show is
so appealing. This is universally experienced through all families and Uh,
(06:26):
it's just you know, the way the way they do
it on Gilmore Girls is especially satisfying because it is
so clearly mapped out. It's so you know, you can
really feel the beats. You can not so much you
can anticipate it. But man, it is so rife with humor.
What was the line that uh Laurel I had that
(06:48):
was so funny in the kitchen? She says, uh, yeah,
what are you, Bob Barker? It's like, it's what are
you trying to win? Like? What's going on? Emily says,
if Roy goes and has a great time with you,
then I win. Okay, Burger. So let's quickly before we
move on from this scene. This is where the mistake happens.
(07:09):
They talk about Laura Lai the first and you could
interpret that she has passed away. They say was like
three times. But we know those of us that have
seen it or we're there that Mrs cunney Ham later
plays Grandma, great grandma, whatever you wanna call it, Loreli
(07:31):
the first Mary and Ross, who to many people is
known as Mrs cunney Ham. So I don't know. Here's
the question for you. Is it a mistake or do
they later change their mind when they're writing and they realize, oh, hey,
you know what, we should have Mary and Ross come
in and play Richard's mother and we've got this whole
(07:51):
storyline with her, and do they sort of just like
hold people forgot what happened in episode. I think that
it's like it's it's you know, what are we gonna
what are we going to get out of this? We're
gonna get so much more out of Amary and Ross
coming on than you know, some fans being a little
irked at right a couple of Reddit threads where people
are like the right because there's so much It just
(08:15):
deepens the show and gives it so much more dimension.
I mean, it's like the Kirk thing, right, It's like
he didn't have a name. It's like Amy trying to
figure out where he fits in and how he fits in,
you know, and and uh, you know Laura La referring
to him as that go help that guy over there,
not Mick, not Nut Kirk, just that guy over there.
So yeah, I think in the beginning, you you get,
(08:36):
you get forgiven, You get forgiven a little bit at
the beginning because they obviously felt and we all felt
it was going to be a long run anyway, so
it's like, what the hell, just go for it. You know.
What else do you realize in this episode is how
good Laura Lae is at her job with that wedding
with the twins on the Twins and they. I think
(08:57):
that I would assume that's intentional because you really realized, Man,
she's a pro at this, even the super salad. Let's
have both, Like she's putting out fires, you know, and
solving all those problems. What's your take on that? I
think I think that's where her breeding. Okay, that's where
her d n A kicks in, because that's where she's
(09:19):
more familiar because that's what she's used to and that's
what she grew up with. The country club. She knows
what great services she because she's she's demanded it, and
she's seen Richard and Emily demanded when she was a child.
Can you imagine somebody coming like Richard asking for a
drink at the country club, give me a Scotch on ice,
and the kid brings it without the ice, and Richard going,
(09:43):
excuse me, you know what I mean? And then the
kid brings him a glass of ice, and then Richard says,
excuse me, So it's breeding. So she's not in her
comfort zone raising a child. She's figuring it out. But
with the the end, no, that comes naturally. There's also
the scene when they were at the dinner table and
there's this awkward exchange with the maid that was taking
(10:03):
care of them, and she said, oh, it's my new cook, Mira,
who turns out to really be Sarah, but Emily misheard
the name. And it just becomes established that Emily goes
through many cooks and maids often. So that kind of
was like a big red flag for me. I was like, oh,
there's something there. Yeah, well yeah, that's they demand snap
(10:25):
a finger kind of service and don't screw it up
or you're gone and you can't know it. And unless
you've grown up that way. Because when the mother of
the twins is like worried about this, worried about this,
worried about this, and lower Lae just has it solved,
Has it solved? Has it solved? You're like, Wow, she
runs this in like a box. She's a classy, educate,
(10:45):
well somewhat educated, very very intelligent, well bred person who
has made some choices that run counter to her upbringing, right,
and that's the show. Another perspective I think is it's
the one thing more like can control. Like she can't
control Rory, she can't control Emily, So all these things
(11:05):
at the end is something that she can control, and
that's why she's so good at it. Yeah, yeah, and
what a great who's the actress that played that? Was it?
Mrs Scales? Megan Faye, the mom of the twins. Yes,
she was brilliant and uh a perfect counter lare and
and sending up and being so on it where I
(11:28):
will send you somebody up for a massage. It looks
amazingly similar to Antonio bandair. So, I mean every week,
how dense these episodes are. There isn't thirty seconds wasted
on this show. All right, let's take a quick break, gang.
When we come back, we'll talk about the club. Okay,
(11:58):
we're back. We're talking about the country club. The very tony,
very expensive monthly fees and huge initiation feed, the hundreds
of thousands of dollars. So I kept going through my
mind was how rich are the Gilmore You know, I
think his stock options are probably I mean back then,
(12:21):
I mean a hundred million, fifty million I've had some
you know, I've friends that are CEOs and x CEO
is a big, big corporations, and uh, and they're doing
a couple million a year in salary. It's not it's
not really the salary, right. The salary is good, right,
and maybe up to five million a year in salary,
but it's the stock options well. And Richard, I don't think,
grew up struggling. It seems like there was family money
(12:42):
and family money on families, right, exactly, exactly. So okay,
so the club. What did you think of the scenes
at the club? Specifically, I'm obsessed with the steam room.
The most odious woman in the world, not just at
the club. I mean, that's the funniest part of it
(13:04):
because when she rolled up and I thought, I thought, oh,
here's something. That's why Richard didn't want to go. Maybe
there's something going on here, you know, maybe he didn't
want to be disturbed or found out that he was
maybe having somewhat of an emotional affair with somebody else,
you know, because but no, of course, you can't do
that to that character. You lose respect for him. So
(13:26):
he I liked that Richard bonded with Rory over the
you know, her travels to Fez and books, but also
her sort of gossipy stories about what was going on.
He really was on her level, and I think all
of a sudden you realize these two are besties now.
And what he probably doesn't realize and doesn't want to
(13:48):
admit because he's still angry, is at Laurel I probably
did a heck of a job raising her. Good job.
She knows, she's aware of she's literate, she's reading the
right books. You know, she's saying the right thing. She's
a very proper young lady and very respectful. She can't
play who cares. But that's you know, he's going to
(14:09):
have to admit to himself at some point he can
play against that. And that's that's gold for actors. Is
that maybe Laurel E isn't such a screw up. I mean,
if you can raise a daughter that's that spectacular, you
did something right, you know that just doesn't happen. Yeah,
that's a great, great point. So, yeah, what is your
take seeing that relationship between Richard and Rory, Like, how
(14:33):
important is what we're seeing developed? Well? Well, I think
it's important for both of them. I think it's uh.
It enriches Rory's life. It gives her a father figure,
I mean somewhat of a five father figure that isn't
Luke um and it's a it's a it's a man
(14:53):
that is her blood, that she can trust, who has
her best interested hearts, and that could re really you know,
affect some very positive change within her, which I think
we see immediately in the in the conflict with Laurel
I that fight when he calls her right away at
the end, right, which is a hilarious line. Yes, I
(15:16):
don't know how many people call you dad when Laurela answers,
but right he called he never called the inn and
calls Rory. It's like, why would anybody admit that that
they're your father? And then at the very end, you
see the three of them go into the library to
look at the books and Laurela is left in the
I don't know what room that is the living room
(15:36):
or the sitting room room. Yeah, that's yeah, that's the
main living room. Yeah. We we we shot a lot,
We shot a good amount in the revival in that
living room. It's it's a very large area. Um. Yeah,
and I think you know and the cooler Alexis was,
the cooler Rory was. And that fight scene, the boob scene, Um,
(15:59):
the the angrier she got Laurel I got, and and
and it's and it also shows that on a certain
level that Rory is far more mature than her mother.
So there in lies that dynamic in that conflict too,
because I mean she just was very cool about it,
a very matter of fact about it. And she wasn't
and there's nothing diabolical about it. She wasn't even thinking
(16:23):
about how it affected Laurel I personally, right, how she
must be feeling, because who thinks that way? Right? Who
on Earth thinks that way? So it's that dysfunction that
fractured relationship with their parents. That is, that is, you know,
providing all of the fuel for this, and and and
(16:44):
and the Paladinos really cashed in on that. I mean
that is just like the nuclear fuel of the show.
Was anyone else surprised that Rory was late date attempt
at sabotage? They gave Richard some funny lines like when
he said it was cooler at eight, But I was
(17:07):
surprised that she was late. Um, yeah, I mean it's typical, right,
It's like I didn't set the alarm and sorry, and
maybe you just can't go. You'll miss it and he'll
leave and because he's not gonna miss his tea time, right,
you don't miss your tea time in places like that,
you don't make people work. It was just about to
say that you can't miss your tea time if you're late.
You don't got it. Yeah, you you forfeit it. And
(17:28):
uh so, yeah, that was an attempt at sabotage that
wasn't scripted, but it's implied. Oh yeah, oh yeah, Well
should we dig into Jackson and Suki for a session?
Daniel has some thoughts. I just I thought that that
debacle was probably like my favorite part of the episode.
(17:48):
Like I love seeing Suki and Jackson fight fight over
the strawberries and the blueberries, and at the very end
Suki got her way with the strawberries. I just loved
all of it. I thought it was fantastic, uh to
to to to put an exclamation point on that and
to have um a Suki go after him down the street.
I mean, that is wacky, stars, hollow, harmless, a little
(18:13):
hamlet at its finest. That is that is as dangerous
as it gets there. I mean, that's that That just
defines what Stars Hollow is. It was a perfect love
that because of the strawberry debacle, it teas up the
fact that it's blueberry shortcake that then Rory and Laura
(18:35):
li I bring over to Emily and she says, you
brought me used blueberry and then Lauraa goes, no, it's
left over dessert. As if there's a difference, like that
is the genius that if there wasn't that, we wouldn't
(18:55):
have the bit at the end that makes you laugh.
That was intention and all that was intentional. That was like,
I'm sure that was not her lack of breeding. It
was like, deal with it. I don't like you right
here you go. It's just so funny that that may
(19:17):
be one of the funniest moments of the entire thing
that that entire episode that was that was fantastic. Um um,
what else can we get into? Well, okay, so the
twins on Twins, this is the crazy thing. So we've
learned in television there's like an A plot line, there's
like a B plot line and a C plot line.
(19:38):
So would like the A would be the golf and
the father the grandfather, tranddaughter. Then the B is the
twins on twins and you've got this ridiculous wedding and
the whole thing. And then the C would be maybe
the strawberry controversy. But the thing that's so amazing about
(20:00):
this show they're all tied together. Um well, when you
have that many characters, you pretty much have to create
multiple storylines or else you know, what are you gonna
do with them? And you've got so many of these
great actors and the great characters that were created for
this reason. Um you know, not to utilize them as
(20:21):
a crime, but uh yeah, when they're that distinct, when
when the voices are that distinct, it's kind of easy
to develop storylines if you just think in terms of
stars Hallow, like, how can we make a wacky, funny
thing And imagine how much fun Amy and Dan had
creating the blueberry versus strawberry thing and then they're chasing
down the street at the end of it. I mean,
(20:41):
it's just like you know, the roaring with laughter developing
that stuff, because that's the fun of writing. It's like
collaborating with your partner who happens to be your husband
or your wife and making this funny stuff. Well, can
you talk about that? Because on one end we have
this very serious stuff, you know, Julie, the relationship between
Emily and Lorelei and Rory is very serious and emotional.
(21:07):
Then you have these two other things that are completely
outlandish and over the top. Of the twins marrying twins
with the mother that sort of can't stand their twin daughters,
and then Jackson and Suki brawling over the strawberries. It's like,
you can they go outlandish? Another stab like that's over
the top and wacky. That's what makes the drama portion
(21:31):
of it so powerful because when you return to that,
you know you're not you're but there's still an element
of wacky in in Emily Laureli. There's all those little lines,
all those little funny lines, but it's so much more
fraught with with conflict, right, and it's always so well
placed because the one thing that I know about screenwriting
(21:53):
and not so much about television, uh, is that if
you're gonna put a scene of conflict, dialogue scene of conflict,
not an action scene, but a dialogue. If you're gonna
talk conflict, it's got to be late in the second
act and it's got to be extreme conflict and that
propels it into the third act. And they do that
very well in this show. And I think television is
(22:15):
broken up into I don't know, five or six acts.
I know I never I never wrote it. I wrote screenplays,
but I never wrote television series. It's I don't understand
the dynamic of the structure of it. It's a it's
a different structure, but um, there are similarities. But but
that's those are the big moments in the kitchen, when
they're going at it and it's really serious. That's when
you can do it. You do it kind of two
(22:36):
thirds uh into the piece or two thirds into the air,
so about forty minutes you do it minutes, um. But yeah,
you can't have that impact. So you can't land hit
so hard unless you have the wacky And that's the
beauty of the show because you know you're gonna get
the comic relief after. You know you're gonna get the
(22:57):
build up after. So you're just sort of playing with
everybody's emotions and you're giving them all these laughs and
all these waggy characters and it's all harmless, harmless, harmless,
So it seems so much more pronounced, so much more
serious between mother and daughter when they're really going at
it and they're both lions, right, I mean, these are
these two women are not backing down and they're really
(23:19):
delivering big shots. So it's and plus I mean, look,
let's let's let's put it in a boxing terminology. You
get that one to punch with the with Emily and Laurel,
and then the punches keep coming with all those thirty
other characters, and it's overwhelming. I mean, it's just like
it's a joy. It's a joy to watch. I mean,
if you were be happy if somebody were beating you.
(23:40):
But maybe a bad analogy. Uh, let's think of something
else besides sports. So but that, but that's really the point.
It's like they know structure, They know where to put
the scenes of the most conflict um and then know
how to set them up because all that other stuff
is just set up. It's set up. And I wouldn't
(24:00):
say window dressing. It's not that that would be insulting.
It's just color. It's there. There's so many different colors
to this, this this canvas. So there you go. Yeah,
all right, everybody, we're back. It's Scott Patterson with I
(24:22):
Am All in podcast on My Heart. We are joined
by the illustrious Valerie Campbell, who worked in the wardrobe
department on Gilmore Girls. So your forte on Gilmore Girls,
as you have stated before, UH is less about fashion
and more about the behind the scenes stuff and what
(24:44):
it was like working on the show. And you took
care of the actors on the set and there was
um and from their season one episode ten until the
very end, including the reboot where you were the costume
supervisor UM and you were responsible for breaking down the
scare ups and hiring crew, making a budget and make
sure everything in the costume department happened. UM. So tell
(25:06):
us a little bit about how you got the job
and what the experience was like. Well, you remember Brenda.
Brenda was our costume designer towards the end from season
three on. He called me up one day and she said, Hey, Valerie,
I've got I got this show I want you to
help me on. It's called Gilmore Girls. But I swear
to god, I thought she said Gibson Girls, which is
(25:29):
more of a relation to like a period film. And
I'm like thinking, oh, it's a period film, and I'm
looking at the TV guide and I think it was
the golf episode with Richard that was in the TV
guide and I'm like, huh. And then I get to
set and I'm like, this is not a period film
in no way. Now, you mentioned the golf episode. That
was the first time I got to work with rich
(25:51):
with with Ed, the first time I actually when Rory
took him. Okay, right, okay, but yeah, do you remember
in the golf episode and it might have been your episode,
or it might have been the time that he took
um Chris golfing. Um, there was a medic off in
(26:12):
the distance and they swung a golf the Ed swung
his thing and it went off, he says, four, and
it hits the set medic in the head and she
ended up getting a head injury that day. It went
through this like she was sitting behind the lattice work
right right, because everybody was hiding because it was like
you saw everything. Oh boy, photos, I mean I still
(26:36):
have all my photos from continuity from that. Could not
have felt good. He was a big, powerful guy, you know.
Oh boy, Well, I hope she's okay. So bad? She
was right, she was all right. She just you know,
it luckily was buffered a little bit for it to
go through where she was sitting, right, it was crazy, right.
(26:59):
So the thing that I'm marveled at the most, and
I think the toughest job on the reboot especially was
keeping all of those costumes organized because we were block shooting.
I mean we would shoot. I mean describe that experience
because we had to shoot four different episode costumes in
one day sometimes. Unlike the original show, we had all
(27:22):
the scripts so we knew exactly what was going on,
whereas when we shot the original, we'd get the script
like as we were shooting, so you had a better
chance to prep on the Yeah, so we had a
lot of prep time. But the big problem was casting.
They wouldn't cast everyone until I mean I'd be on
the phone at ten o'clock at night talking to Jamie, going, Jamie,
(27:45):
can you please give me a hint as to casting
through tomorrow? And and sometimes and then the person would
like come in and I would call them and I'm like,
bring whatever you have in your closet because I go anywhere,
and we would have to run around getting stuff. But
(28:05):
you know, we broke down the scripts, got it, hired
the crew, but The most amazing thing was walking in
the costume department the first my first day on the revival,
and I don't I don't know if you remember been inside.
There was the wall of everyone's head shot and I
walked in and I was just like, oh my god,
this is weird. Seeing Lauren on the back lot. You
(28:30):
just walk her and we would both just be like,
this is so weird. I mean, it just was so
much fun. Yeah, they really, um, you know, I don't
know if the fans know this, I'm sure they've read
about it, but that's set on the reboot was extra special.
I mean there was I think you know, there was more.
(28:51):
There was just I think more money involved there. And
they built some magical They built this magical set. I
mean even Luke's diner was popping with color. And they
had spongy floors because I guess the sound apartment. And
I said, hey, you know, we get a little we
have to do a lot of a d R and
loop a lot of the lines because of the creaky floor.
(29:12):
So they put in a spongy floor and it was
really nice to work. I didn't, you know, I didn't
get a chance to hang out on set like I
did in the original, because the original I was there
seven every moment you guys were shooting. Um and so
I was stuck in the office and I walk into
set and I'd have like the memory of what it
(29:34):
was like. And then I'd walk in and I'm like, oh,
that's different. Like the entire structure of like Loyalized house
was set up slightly different. Um Ed's house, you know,
the Gilmore House became bigger, a little bit bigger, and
they added a couple of rooms and but it was
wild how close everything was. And the most amazing memory
(29:58):
was walking in to the Gilmore Mansion and seeing the painting. Yes,
I don't know if you walked in there at all,
but yeah I did. You know, I had some things
in there was powerful. Took my breath away. It made
me I was crying, like, I mean just silently crying,
but I was crying because Ed and I were we
were really close friends. We would I mean we hung
(30:19):
out years after and um, I even like a month
before I had gone an email from him because we've
had these parties and I did invite him to the
parties and he, uh, he was like, oh, I'm sorry,
I'm going to not be able to make it. I
had no idea he was about to pass or very
close to, you know, at the time, and I felt
(30:40):
I felt so bad. I didn't know until they called
me a couple of days before he passed, and I
was just in shock. I was like, oh my god, special,
So let's do some questions. Okay, and uh, we're gonna
we call this a little rapid fire, so I'm going
to just fire at you. So give me your first
impressions and memories of the following. Alexis, Oh, just so sweet.
(31:06):
I remember her little dog. She would always bring it
to set towards the end, and she was just so
shy and Okay, here we go. The next one. Lauren.
Lauren so smart, I mean, memory like a steel trap.
She could here's something once and repeat it back like
(31:26):
she had no problem. Sean Gun a man, his jobs,
all the jobs that he did. We just we just
talked to him. We did the Kaiko Kiko her glasses.
There was an episode where she didn't have her glasses on.
We had to reshoot the scene. Oh god, the whole thing.
(31:50):
It was with Liza. It was at the Yale. I guess,
I guess, I guess she was. Liza was happy. Jeez,
the best work she ever did. Got to do had it?
But you know, Lies is such a pro. They actually
shot that scene really quickly and it was the first
scene back Steve was directing purpose Steve Clancy are steady camp. Yes, yeah,
(32:13):
he was directing that. He directed. He was the first
shot back from Christmas. Right. Okay, Wow, you have a
great memory, Dean. Jared Jared, Uh, there was a scene
where he didn't wake up and show up for work
that day. It was all about him and it was
I think he was with Lindsay at the time. They
(32:35):
had just gotten married, I think, and they had to
break into his apartment. But he was a sweetheart. I
love Jared kids. Uh, Luke Jaynes me who Yes, let's see.
I remember you would come to set sometimes randomly when
(32:58):
it wasn't your day on and you would be like
taking a little like cancer patients or people like make
a wish and you would give him a tour of
Starr follow And I remember that and I was like, oh,
that's so sweet. Yeah, that's that was Those were Those
were tough ones, you know, because a lot of those
kids didn't make it. So those were those were tough ones,
but always great to do that. Um all right, uh,
(33:22):
I want to get into a debate, like you know
and kill me. Now I wore denim, right, I wore
that then. I'm sure I liked that denim. Sure. And
I remember coming to you guys, say why am I
not working? Like in season two or three or four,
It's like, why am I not? So? What was the
deal between the denim and the flannel? Let's get into
that a lot. I don't you know what. It's more
of a brand of question. I've got to say because
I wasn't. I wasn't there when you initially got put
(33:45):
in the denim. And I just remember you always had plaid.
You had you had your uniform, and it was like
a uniform. You know, you had your hat, you had
your plaid shirt, you had your either a T shirt
or thermal. I remember it used to be you just
wore thermals under that plaid. And you were like, it's
getting so hot. Can actually sleeps? I have to wear
(34:07):
him down? And I'm like, okay, let's figure it out.
You tried to make it comfortable, and then I remember
at one point you were like, can I get this
a little bit more fitted. I don't really like the
fit of this. And so we went through every single
plaid shirt you had, and you told me which one
you liked, made piles on your on your on the
(34:30):
bed in your trailer, took him away. I got rid
of the other ones, retired them, and I think there
was like a moment where you had to wear one
of the old ones because there was like maybe we
had to reshoot something like with someone, and so you
had to wear it, and uh, and I was just like,
I'm so sorry. But the opposite occurred because I was
(34:52):
I was in really good shape back then, and I
didn't want to look like I was overweight and was covering.
And then when I came back for the reboot, you know,
I was like, I think I was asking for oversized
shirts because I wanted to cover. I wanted to coverage.
We pulled out those old ones from from I do
I remember that. I remember this. I remember the thermals
(35:13):
under but you had to do it because it's you know,
it's winter, but it's a hundred and ten in Burbag.
Sure now. I also remember originally you had two hats
and one day we lost one of them and we
were down to one hat, and I was freaking out
because my job is a set cat from first of all,
(35:33):
where the hell is the hat? So it must have
been like you put it on a chair, the prop
guys grabbed the chair and somehow it went somewhere someone
grabbed it. I mean there was a lot of thievery
at Warner Brothers, like in the back lot. People just
walk into those sets and stuff. And so I'm freaking
out and I was like, Okay, we gotta make you
a new hat. And so Brenda was like, I don't
(35:54):
have time to find a hat or you know what,
the hats we're not the exact same color and it
had to be exact. So we found fabric, we got it,
died to match, we found a company to make a hat.
And I was like, I don't usually that's not really
part of my job at that time for that specific
part of that episode. And I got handled with doing
(36:14):
it because I had lost the hat or it was
dull lost on my watch, and man, I had that
done and I was like, oh okay, and so now
we had ten hats. I don't know what could have
happened to that that original hat. I mean, I have
some suspects. I'll make some phone calls. I just I
(36:35):
just don't know. I think that you might have taken it. No,
you did not me. I would know you wouldn't have
taken off, but I no, no, I wouldn't have done that. Um. Anyway, listen,
we are so pleased that you could visit. We'd love
to have you back down the road. Thank you for
coming on. This was great. It was great catching up
(36:56):
and um and ladies, since gentlemen, uh one of the uh,
the very very important uh people on the set. Uh
that pretty much ran that set. I mean, nothing really
happens without wardrobe. And if there's a change or if
there's something a little bit off, everything stops in. Valerie
(37:18):
and Brenda and um, Sasha, Yeah, how's she doing? How's
she is she around? She's good, She's she's working on
Picard Actually, Okay, tell her. I said hello, um, um,
and you guys would come in and save the day. UM.
So thank you so much for spending a little time
(37:38):
with us, and we'll talk to you soon. Valerie, thanks
for coming on. Okay, take care all right, bye bye,
Hey everybody, we're gonna get into uh fan questions. We're
gonna do this every week, So let's let's get into this. Hi.
How you doing. Huh? You're on the podcast. What's your name? Amber?
(38:05):
Nice to meet you, Amber. I'm Scott. Hello. Hi, Scott.
Is so great to meet you. It's great meeting you.
Where where are you right now? I am currently in
New York. Oh gosh? Okay, and you're wearing a Luke sweatshirt.
Let me say, is that? Is that what I'm saying that?
It's not like coffee with my okay, with my oxygen.
(38:29):
I did think about wearing my Luke and that might
be pushing it. Okay. So Amber, you have a question.
What was it like working with Edward Herman? Oh? My god,
it was it was. It was great. You know, ed
he cast you know, he was such a dynamic figure
(38:51):
in the world of acting a and then when he
was on the show, it was like you're working with
this sort of living legend from all from his resume,
all the work that he's done. And you know, I
was aware of him growing up. I've seen him in
a million things. And then when I found out I
got the show and it became a series regular. Eventually, um,
(39:11):
I realized that I was going to be working with
a living legend and Ned Herman and I remember that
first day working with him in a scene was at
the golf his golf course, and we went golfing the
whole thing, and it was just it was just just
this wonderful day. You know, you were off the set,
you were at an actual golf course, and and I
was playing golf with that Herman and he it was
(39:33):
just it was a really wonderful experience of marvelous day. Um.
But it was a lot cooler than sitting in those
tone hall meetings, uh as it was. Yeah, they were
very hot, sweaty affairs. Um, but yeah, fun to do
a lot of fun. They took. They took a long time,
but it was fun to do. So whenever you went
out for the part of Luke, did they tell you
(39:55):
how your character was going to be or did you
just read the script kind of know it's probably a
little grumpy and just kind of go with it and
stuff like. Was that just your take on the character?
You know, there wasn't a lot of um, you know,
in the script, there wasn't a lot of information descriptive
information provided. It was a pretty pretty bare um which
(40:20):
is good. I mean that's you don't really want to
read a lot of scenic descriptions when you're reading a script.
I mean a lot of the better scripts don't have that,
and they allow for the actor to sort of fill
it in and you know, just reading the script. And
I did get the script to read, um, you know,
it was there was so many very light and very
(40:42):
sort of perky, happy, sunny characters in it, um that
I thought, boy, this needs this needs an anchor, This
needs a little different kind of energy, you know, or
else it's just the whole show is going to float
away and it won't be believable, um or as believable.
So I thought, okay, I think this character is a test.
(41:06):
You know, they're they're testing me out to see if
I am aware of this and of what the show needs. Uh.
And so that's how I prepared it and went in
and performed it in the audition. You know, it's a
little a little bit of a crank and you know,
playing against what you know, the normal small town kind
of friendly you know guy is I just thought, boy,
(41:28):
that would be redundant and kind of boring, and and uh,
you know, you got to take risks in these auditions
and um, you know, so that's that's what I did
and it worked out to my to my amazement, to
my utter amazement. So anyway, all right, so we're gonna
say goodbye, and I thank you so much. Amber. It
(41:50):
was great having you on and good luck with your
renovations in your home, you know. Okay, so thanks for
visiting us, and there's a pleasure having you. Okay, alright,
good meeting YouTube Ali everybody. That's it. We're gonna wrap
it up. Thank you for downloading and the numbers that
(42:10):
you are it's amazing and we are astounded and are
humbled before your loyalty to this wonderful show, which I
am becoming increasingly obsessed with. I cannot wait, And it's
my my favorite night is when I get to watch
another episode and I'm I'm resisting watching them every night
(42:31):
because I don't know. It's it's like I really want to,
but I don't want to get to I don't want to,
you know, I want to watch episode five and six,
and it's like I'm kind of stomping around being a
little moody sometimes, like why can't I watch another episode? Why?
Why am I limited to four? Why? Why don't you
watch episode four? And I go to my wife, is
I want to watch five? Why can't I watch five?
(42:52):
So now I'm in like online support groups and it's
because you can really forget what's happening. Yeah, darn it,
darn it, I boxed myself in one per week. Um.
But anyway, so we will be back next week, uh
with the deer Hunters. So we'll see you then. Take care,
(43:13):
be safe, God bless me. Hey everybody, and don't forget.
(43:45):
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