October 14, 2024 • 57 mins
I am an Autumn.
We’ve reached the end and it’s bittersweet.
We loved Fall.
We are left with one big question … does Jess still have feelings for Rory?
We feel quite certain we know who the Daddy is.
Plus, a Wizard of Oz reference some of us missed.
And, that scene with Christopher has much more significance than you might have expected.
Scott has changed his mind about something that had really disappointed him, he thought.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
That's just you.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I am all in with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast one
eleven Productions. iHeart radio, iHeart media, iHeart podcasts. We are
gonna break down a year in the life Fall recap.
I'm joined by partial intrepid crew, but pretty darn intrepid
in their own right. Suzanne French, Tyre suit, Amy and
(00:42):
Danielle will be joining us momentarily. And uh, are we
gonna do a recap? Or you want to just get
right into this?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Should we start with overall thoughts?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Or should we Okay, So I'm going to chime in here.
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Yeah, I thought that it was
I always try to look at these as movies and
not to TV shows. It's an hour and a half.
(01:18):
It's a whole different structure, as I've said before. And
I thought Amy did a fantastic job of infusing all
of her influences, I mean, from Fellini to Fincher. I
saw her give a nod to so many different directors
in this film. I thought the Light and Death Brigade
(01:41):
stuff was magic. I thought the Luke and laurel ized
stuff was fraught with tension and just great. I thought
the Jess stuff was great. I thought a lot of it,
and I thought Alexis was great. I thought the entire
I thought the story or telling was spot on. I
(02:04):
think it's really hard and plus it didn't seem like
Gilmore Girls at all when it's in a film format,
because it's taking more time, it's breathing, it's more open.
You're getting close up of people reacting to things and
feeling things and emoting things. We can read thoughts without words.
(02:24):
And then at times it kicks in to our old
familiar Gilmour banter right to bring us back in to it.
It's like, oh, yes, this is but so it had
the DNA, but it also Amy infused it with her
love of dance, her love of cinema, because she's not
(02:44):
just a TV gal, right, I mean she's an erudite,
accomplished consumer of film and literature and anything pop culture obviously,
and it was all infused into this film. And I
thought as a film as a romantic comedy or a dramedy,
(03:07):
it worked on every level and I enjoyed every single
part of it. Blew me away Blew Me Away could
have stood alone if they released it as a film,
like here you go, fans, let's let's release it into
three thousand theaters. I bet it would have done pretty
darn well.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
No, and you watched it before, I mean no, you haven't.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Okay, Well, I had to do a dr on our
you know, my big speech in the kitchen with Laura
when she returns from wilding. So i'd seen that before, Okay,
but that's pretty much it. I think I did a
little a dr on the just scene when the when
the flower broke over me oh h covered flower. Yeah,
(03:51):
but I hadn't seen anything else, and I was I
was shocked, surprised and delighted by all of it. Yeah,
I mean in the first act, I was just like wow, Wow, Wow,
what an accomplishment. And I was so happy for Amy
Sherman Palladino because somebody had given her the money and
(04:15):
the means to make what really, you know, goes on
in her head in a film makes sense and get
it up on screen. She had free life, pretty much,
free license to do what she wanted. I thought she
did a beautiful job, a beautiful job. Yeah, And I
think a real contribution to the Gilmour Cannon. I don't
(04:36):
see it as my whole opinion of these episodes has changed.
You know, some are week better than others. But this
was just wow, krem de la creme, and actually kind
of it was almost like, I hate to use the term.
I don't want to say autopsy of the series or
(04:56):
a post mortem of the series, but it kind of
rightfully ended it in a way, you know what I'm saying.
It's like, it's like all the loose ends were tied
up pretty much, except of course you've got this, yeah,
the cliffhanger, the four words at the end, right which
opens it all back up again. But I just thought,
(05:18):
what a delight, and they kept honoring Richard appropriately and
those were big moments. And I really do like how
they did the elopement and the wedding, but there's still
more room for storytelling. I just loved it all. I
loved it all anyway, I'll shut up you guys chime in.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
I also loved it, and I also realized I hadn't
watched it in a really long time. I think I
kind of avoid it because it's like the end, like
the end, the end, kind of like how Amy avoided,
you know, the last episode of the series. But what
stood out to me, and again I agree with everything
(06:00):
you said, Scott, but I thought the directing, like the
camera work was so interesting that I actually looked up
and I noticed it was Amy who directed it, and
and the camera work was so interesting, the way like
it would turn or it was like kind of it
seemed like a handheld I don't know the like terminology of.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
A lot of those shots were on a dolly, which
is actually like a train track. It's a mini train
track for yeah, for the platform that the camera sits
on so you can can it smoothly move And.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
It's like my favorite scene and we'll get to it,
but was when Rory is alone in her grandparents' house,
Like that was my favorite scene, just the way it
was shot.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Are you talking about how this is the best episode ever?
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Amazing.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
I wrote out of text to you last night. I
deleted it because I was like, I need to wait,
but I was like I needed to know what you
thought of the just.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I feel like he redeems it.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I cannot handle this episode. It was everything I needed
and then some. And I just wish all four were
like this because it was so Gilmore Girls in every heart,
every scene was Gilmore Girls, and I, oh my god,
I'm just so happy it ended this way, like so
(07:23):
thrilled me too.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Me too. I think it's the you know, it gave
me this. I mean, it opened up a whole new world.
It's like, why is an Amy Sherman Paladina writing and
directing films? I think she likes the immediacy of TV
and the length and the width and the breadth and
(07:46):
the depth of the storytelling that she can accomplish in
a short period of time with TV because she does
it at such a high level. But what she would
be a great film director too. Oh, I mean just
some of those like the shots like Tara, that shot
of Rory opening up her laptop in Richard's office and
starting to write her boss. The lighting there, it was gorgeous.
(08:10):
It was like the beautiful movie shots.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
And there we was there was I feel like every
loop was closed, Like That's what I loved about it.
It's just every but then obviously left on a massive cliffhanger,
but it just felt like we got closure on a
lot on a loaned mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It was definitely the most cinematic of the four episodes,
and I have to also, you know, give props to
the set decoration, Like absolutely, the whole Life and Death
Brigade thing, I thought that was a little drawn out,
but visually lighting with it, it was so stunning. And
(08:53):
then the whole wedding scene that's kind of the Alice
in Wonderland theme, Like it just was like this magical Wonderland.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Did not take your breath away. When Rory went into
the stars Hollow Gazette at night and she was having
that you know, this felliniesque experience outside with the crow
talking to her, Yeah, you know all that, and the
guy going by on a unicycle predicting doom and all stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
It was good.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
It was It was so Italian noir.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
There was a lot of references to other things as well,
like at the end of should we just jump into it, guys,
because I feel.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Like I wrote them down, but I mean that when
she's inside and then she and then the camera comes
around and gets a little bit behind her and we
see three of the Light and Death Brigades coming emerging
from the mist, it was like, wow, it was so beautiful.
(09:56):
I'm gonna watch this again to you.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I already watched twice. I'm gonna watch it third, fourth, Ye,
I want.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
To watch it again.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
It was I mean, I have to admit I want
to watch episode one again, like of the whole series
right after because I was like, it can't end.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
This was like an hour and forty minutes. It was
the longest before. It felt like twenty It felt so short.
I don't know how to explain it. I was just
hooked and fully invested the whole.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
What a gift, What a gift to the fans, you know,
I mean, what a gift. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
Amy Sherman peld you know, for this brilliant piece of filmmaking,
brilliant on every level. It's like, as witty as the
banter she creates, as funny as she can write, as
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dramatic as she can write. She also knows what the
hell to do with a camera. She knows how to
move a camera. And it's like, wow, what a what
a what a talent? My gosh, my gosh. Anyway, should
we even bother synopsizing? Yeah, let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, okay, so gosh, there is so much to talk about.
So we start out. Lorelai is doing wild in air quotes.
She's got this crazy backpack that is practically a character
by itself. And then uh, so we see Jason Ritter.
(11:34):
He's the first park ranger and of course probably most
people know they work together in Parenthood. There were all
there were like a lot of connections to Parenthood and.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It is I think we talked about it. Parenthood had
just ended because we had May Whitman. Then you have
Peter Krause in this episode as well, and then.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
She's right, you also had Lauren's assistant. Yes, who was
who was the whale? Uh in the Whale Museum? Right.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I recommended the voice immediately because he was in that
other episode. He was the one that wanted the steel
cut oats. She's six sometime. Yeah, so lot lots of callbacks.
So okay, Booker movie, she doesn't have her permit. Oh
(12:23):
that's right. They were all going to start again the
next day because the conditions were bad for boot throwing,
So they all go back to their motel and then
this is the part that you were talking about, Scott,
where they're back at the Gazette and first Rory gets
that message on her computer like this is like pre
(12:44):
I am I guess she's she's got like the message
on her computer. Ready says ready, and then the pedal
the pig runs by, So you already know like, okay, something,
this is going to be like super literal. There's gonna
be some sort of fantasy elements here. And then we
(13:04):
go to the diner scene. I loved the diner scene
with Jess and Luke and everybody's on their laptops.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
And I said this after the last episode, where is
Jess and Luke that was missing and I'm finally.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I told you to stay tuned, Remember.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
You did, and it was a great payoff.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, it was. I love that scene. And you know,
Luke is all confused and off balance and funny little
thing about how the vegetable cult kicked out TJ because
they were two heard and then they have they have
that nice conversation about Lorelei, you know, what is her
(13:44):
ultimate intent with you know, leaving town and going out
on this hike, and so that was that was just
a great, a great moment between them, and so we
seen it.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
There was a lot that was in that scene though.
You you saw that Luke was come to terms that
with the fact that Laurla may leave him right because
you know, there was rockiness there and Jess can sniff
that out like a mile away that something was going
on with Luke, and Luke just revealed, you know, he
(14:17):
revealed his biggest fear, that Laura I was going to
leave him. I thought that was super powerful.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, And it was such a role reversal too, because
in the original series, it was always Luke trying to
help Jess, and now it's completely the opposite, Like Jess
is the adult and he's trying to help Luke through
think through this situation. I really love Jess in that scene.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
And then he like the Internet.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
That was so funny.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I'll also laugh about bagels split four ways.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Really yeah, just a great scene all around. And then
we go back to the motel where laurel I is
(15:08):
with the other hikers and they're sitting around the fire
pit talking about their stories. I really liked Lorelei's line
when they asked her what her story was and she says, oh,
there's no story, just a punchline like that kind of
sums up her story, like it how she kind of
uses humor to push other things away and to put
(15:30):
up that wall around herself, and it really just in
her mind, everything just boils down to a punchline. I
thought that was powerful.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I didn't even pick that up, but you're right, you're
very right.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, yeah, And let's see. So they all are talking about,
you know, they all want to get some insight from this,
which I think that's just the theme of Wild is,
you know, everybody wants to get some insight from that height,
whether it's you know, theoretical or physical. And just like
(16:07):
we saw in the last scene with Luke talking about
his fears, now we're seeing Laurel I talking about her fears.
You know, she thought she had everything figured out and
now she's not so sure anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You know, before we got your father's a little behind
the scenes stuff that I should have shared. While we're
talking about the Luke and Jess scene. How did how
did they get the flower on me? Oh? Yeah, there
was somebody back there. I forget who it was. It
might have been Robert Lee. Somebody was back there, and
they poured it on me every take. Gosh, I had
(16:43):
to try to close my eyes and then they dumped
it on you, and then I dacked forrassled walkout and.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Did you have to change your clothes. Hi, everybody, Sorry
I was late. Hi, I missed you all. Did you
have to change your clothes and restart the front part?
They got the flower off of you.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Uh well, I emerge with the flower on, so I
always have it on.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Go back there, okay, because we just hear you okay.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh gosh. I don't think we had to do it.
I only think we had to do it the one time,
maybe one or two times. It wasn't knocked right. I
mean it's like with the with the push in the
in the water, it's one take. With this was one take.
You know, it's all easy. It's all easy.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Ry sort of dryness. I don't know what the like
right where it is the dry sarcasm of the scenes
with you and Mila. They always have that sort of
like there's a sarcasm, there's sort of a it's very understated,
it's never overacted. And both of you play. I literally
(17:51):
remember when I was watching Fall, thinking these two are buds, right,
like you see it in the episode like and I
want to talk all about Milo in this episode. I
love Fall, It's my favorite one of all the movies.
But I because it made me think about the podcast
episode where we had Milo on the friendship and the
(18:15):
sort of like bromance between the two of you is
so obvious. It's obvious in this episode, and it's obvious
when we had him on just the love that you
guys have for each other.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
So jealous, I want a bromance with Milo.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
He also looked extra for Buff this episode. He was jazzed, I.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Think in the in this in the scene in the house,
I was like, man, he's.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
A real highlight to this episode, and I know, well,
I don't know what I missed. The scene at his
sort of final moment looking in on Rory.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
At it, real emotional.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
The whole episode was like that cried multiple times.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Really was better this time, Susanne, you were so right
watching it multiple times because for me when I whatever,
I don't know, I don't want to give the end,
but like I have a total different take on the
end now than I did eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
M hm. And the.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Writing of the new series in my head where the
baby is Logan's but Milo is the is the boyfriend
is just everywhere.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
For me right now, like we have to we have
to talk about it. I completely disagree. Oh, I feel
like that was that an actual spin off, Like, no,
I'm making it up to me.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
To me, the Logan is the baby daddy, but she's
reconcile with Jess and that is a series. I'm like,
I am, why do you hate that?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
No, I just I don't think. I think this is
going to say really weird, but I think Jess is
too good for Rorri. Now. I don't think he's going back.
I think he's moved on. I think he's on his path.
And say that except for the way he looks, I know,
but it's it's that look that he gave is. I
will always love her, but we're not meant to be.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I will always love her.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That. I don't know if I got the it's not
meant to be part.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
See, I agree with you, Scott, I got Yeah, I
love her and this is fun to speculate.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I did want to do that on this episode. I
wanted to speculate on what's next, Like what if if
there was one more uh year in the life, what
that would look like?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Well, I mean with a with a Logan baby and
being together with Jess. That's history repeating itself, right, That's
that's Christopher. And then Luke, and it's.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's Dean and Jess mirrors it's also Dean and Jess.
It's like, look, this show doesn't doesn't shy away from
trying right. It loves a triangle everything in the show,
which is like a whole psychology of this show. But
the triangle of Grandma, mother daughter, the triangle of Christopher, Lorli, Luke, Dean, Jesse, Rory.
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Like we had triangles throughout this series, and fans like triangles. Yeah, yeah,
the tale is oldest time. Guys. Wait what did I miss?
By the way, how far did we get?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Not that far?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Not that far.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We're just coming up to the scene where they were
the Life and Death Brigade.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And we were lavishing Fall with excessive praise to the
point where it all made us sick.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
So yeah, it was a significant amount of life.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
If you will indulge me, If you will indulge me,
I agree. Fall is great.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Great.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Fall is great from start to finish. The hair has
totally improved.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm sorry, except from my hair piece. I'm sorry that
it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's not great.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
The camera move around at the gazebo and the wedding,
and that looked like it fell from about ten thousand
feet and splatted on top of my head. I'm sorry,
not terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's not terrible that here.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I really noticed it though the other scene, right it
looked okay, but.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That Lauren Lorelei's hair is totally improved back to normal.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I looked like Earl Shibe, you know, selling paint. It
was it was. It was bad. Go ahead, all right.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Zan was.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Was leading the charge here.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Great, I was trying to We keep getting distracted though,
because we keep going off. I mean, that's just what
we do.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
We got It's what we do. It's Tangent City. Our
love for Fall makes us visit Tangent City so often
now so we have.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
We were talking about how there's so many throwbacks in
this episode to the original show, and I I realized
we already missed one of them. And that was at
the very opening scene where she's got the backpackage. She's
on the phone leaving a message for Luke and she
makes a comment about how all parts of the tree
are edible, and that was from she had a conversation
with Jess about that when he was cleaning out the gutters.
(23:17):
And I know that's a pop culture reference. It's from
her book. I don't we maybe.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Me?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
And then.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So in this scene we have the gorilla masks are back.
Remember R's in missile encounter with the Life and Death
Brigade was the girl and the gorilla mask in the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I will say, like with the computer and the pig
and like all that, I didn't piece it together that
they were coming back. But then when I saw them,
I was like.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, I need another Life and
Death Brigade like throw I needed that again.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, you know that some people don't love it, which
I think is look because I saw in the comments
when we were all talking about the musical that people
were like, I know, Amy's gonna love this part and
it's so cringey.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Whatever, I don't like this.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Some people don't. I mean that was my inference, if
that's a word inference, inference inference from their comments, because
they didn't come out and say it. They said, oh,
they're gonna like this or they're not gonna like this whatever.
I love it so much that I YouTube just this
scene all the time. I love the music, I love
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the dancing, I love the mist, I love.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
The dark miss.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
The way they yeah, the way they're revealed.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I love her.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I love that blue coat. I literally have been scouring
the internet for that blue.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Right. And it's stuff, it's film, it's cinema, it's actual
high level cinema or homage to high level cinema.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Right, fol Dancing with the Stars number.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
We were at the Tata Club a little too long.
It could have been a little I did. I did
love it.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I wanted Matt Zuger and Alexis to learn a full dance.
I could have stayed longer, Thank you, Scott.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I just thought I thought dance was so bad.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
They both looked awkward to me, like.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
World class dancers that were hired. How are they going
to shine? You know?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I love those.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, I love the jokes of their just like astonishing privilege, right,
just buying this and buying that, and then it ends.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
With my heartbreaking like.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Rory, It's almost like it's just painful. And even though
I'm like, yes, and even though he's such a cheater, cheater,
pumpkin eater, I'm so like forgiving of it. And she's
like they're both wrong, but like it's.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So right, and you just it takes on, you know
a lot of what Rory was doing what was going
on in this is it was taking on tragic proportions
and it's.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
So well done, so you just want one of them
so badly to be like can we be together? And
I feel like Rory gave that her shot by saying,
are you really going to.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Marry your debt?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Like, yeah, she tried to go there. She gave it
the shot that it needed. And I think that's why
she's so easily able to move on because she gave
it the shot and realized that it's not happening, that
that's that that's not happening.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I want to spend a second on that because I
always see on comments on social media people say things like, oh,
you know, Logan would have been Logan would have left
Odette if Rory had asked him to.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
She did then shed, and that to me, that was her.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Giving him an opening and she said are you really
going to marry her? That would have been the perfect
time for him to say something flip like, well, make
me a better offer or something like that, and he doesn't.
He says that's the dynastic plan. He to me, that's
totally a cop out, and you know he's in his
mid thirties. Now he doesn't have to marry who Mommy
(27:24):
and Daddy tell him to marry. If he wants to
be with Rory, he can leave Odette without her telling
him to, like, he can make that choice, and he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
But here's why that doesn't happen. Sorry, I don't want
to interrupt you.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Right to withdraw his stock options.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, no, God, he's got the best of both worlds
right now. He's got his cake and he's eating it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So storytelling wise, here's why I think that doesn't happen
because if he says to her, then I want to
be with you, we don't have our end of mom
I'm pregnant. It would be like I'm marrying Logan and
I'm pregnant. It's just a totally different mic drop. So
for me, it's all part of this story, right, and
(28:07):
we're left with a huge cliffhanger essentially. So I think
the storytelling is because he doesn't say like no, never,
It's like he sort of gives that answer Susanne. I
think you said it like that's the plan. That doesn't
mean yes, he said that's the plan.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And it doesn't mean no on Logan's part either. There's
still storytelling to be had there.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, right, you're right, You're right, And then we get
to this end because the end, everything is leading to
the end, right, we're heartbroken for her. Oh gosh, I
clearly he's the daddy, right, Like there's nothing It's never
been more obvious to me than on this rewatch that
he is the father. Yeah, but that's why we're left.
(28:51):
That's why she's so brilliant Amy, because that's why we
have that moment with Jess of him looking in the
window and all of us going, oh my god, he
because otherwise why would Luke say, is that is that over?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, that's over? And then he looks at her like,
we'll get into it, and and I do. At the
end of this, stew want to talk about what we
all think is coming up, because I think the we'll
talk about it. The scene with Christopher was very important too.
There's a lot in there. There's a lot in there
about Yeah, so we'll get.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Into this scene scene and then I want to let
you finish.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
What I love about about this part though, is I
I actually as a fake, as a as a viewer
who's been watching this in season one, I have never
liked Rory. I will be the first person to say
I have been saying that I loved her so much
in this scene because she was like, you know what,
I'm going to get my own car and I'm going
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to get the hell out of here and I'm going
to start doing things for myself. And I feel like
we finally saw the wheels start to turn in her
brain and this, and I really really love that. I
don't know, I just got to give like kudos to
Rory here.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
I just do.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, And she didn't take the keys and she's
the keys.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
And she fad and I love that she was like
I know where I want to write this, and I'm like,
where is she going to write this? And then we
get the payoff, you know, like there's oh god, Amy
is such a freaking genius. All this stuff is just.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Shows real growth as a character and real maturity as
as as a character. I mean, it's it's yeah, it's
wonderful to watch.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Think you also really feel like Amy Sherman Palladino loves
these characters right, because she did right by them all
pretty much, except for the one joke that I just
was like, he doesn't think that's how surrogacy works. But whatever,
we'll get to that. She really did not other than
(30:58):
that one line, she really didn't write by all the characters,
all of them, and I, frankly, we can argue this.
I'm not mad about how they get married. I thought
it was beautiful and I'm frank Yeah, so we'll get
to that. But anyway, Susanne, I wanted to let you
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finish your thought.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Still have a big wedding.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
They're having a party, the party is not canceled.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
There's more story to be told her. I I completely agree.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
They just needed that they ceremony to be so intimate
and just when you're and you're like, oh, Michelle's there
and Lane's there, this is It gives me chills. I
was so pleased. I was just like, this is and
that and she's walking through and then to not end
(31:52):
on that scene that you end on the morning after
before the big celebration with this bomb drop. But anyway, Susanne,
keep talking about because I don't want to not acknowledge
your frustration with logan, even though I saw great meaning
in it.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, I think I made my point. I just was
saying that, you know, a lot of people think that
Rory needs to tell Logan to leave Odette and then
he will be with her. But my point was really
that he is making a choice to be with Odette
and not Rory because.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Of the ball here he got. She was leading him
to water and he didn't take like she she was
doing it. I did want to say in this scene.
It was a callback that I wanted to bring up.
When she was saying bye to the three was Wizard
of Oz? Did anybody?
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
And I was literally I was like, this is she
was saying by the tin man and the lie exactly?
It was exactly it.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, that's dumb.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, guys, I did not get that.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Okay, really maybe watch it, watch it back Amy.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Just now maybe Susanne, I don't know if you have
the what she says, but natural when she's saying her yeah,
I know right where it is now and I'm now
getting it and the whole you know, I felt, you
can alsoy one thing really fast and then I'll shut
the hell up. This scene. I don't know if I
love it so much because it resonates so much with me.
Have you ever had that night, that that night with
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the person you love and you're surrounded by these like
the cool kids, and the whole thing's just firing on
all cylinders and you love this night, and yet you
keep looking at your watch because you're like, oh god,
we only have seven more hours. Oh god, we only
have six more hours. And I just felt that and
it's like, oh gosh, that was three nights.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
A week when I lived in New York City. I
mean that was like.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I just kind of blew my mind a little bit. Sorry,
But back to the whole Wizard of Oz thing. If
you think about uh, Wizard of Oz and Rory and
this is Dorothy, she's saying goodbye to these you know,
the line and the tin Man and the Scarecrow, and
she is going back home, right, So she's staying back,
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saying bye to this like beautiful land of Oz or whatever,
and is going back home. I feel like that is
literally what Rory's doing in the scene. She's saying goodbye
to the Life and Death Brigade but going back home
to write her book. Like there's a lot of something
there I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
And the whole point and we're getting a little bit
ahead because we're actually not at that scene yet, but
the whole point in the Wizard of Oz was that
Dorothy had the power the whole time. She didn't need
the Wizard, she didn't need to go on this whole
physical journey. She had the power the whole time. It's
kind of the same thing with Rory, like she's always
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had that internal power and now she's going to exercise.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
It and go, you know, you, guys, this is so good.
I can't even handle it.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, it's so good, so much.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Before we leave the tango club or the Yeah, the
tango club, I just wanted to club. So the cigarette
girl was Amy shrim Palladino's mom. I don't know if
that or not really, Yeah, And then the other thing.
I realized this last night for the first time. The room,
(35:23):
like the physical room at the studio where they shot
that scene, I realized last night is the same room,
a different end of it where Luke and LORLEI had
the I am all in conversation. One end of that
room was the restaurant where they went on that date
and said I am all in. And I figured it
(35:43):
out because when we were on the lot for the
coffee event back in January, we went in there and
you were, Scott, you were talking about how yeah, this
is where we filmed that scene. I took a picture,
and when I was watching the episode last.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Night, I'm like, wait a minute, did you go back
the same stairs?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And so I pulled up when Rory and Logan are
standing there like on a balcony and the ceiling is
really low and they're like leaning over the rail looking
out at the dancers, and then they go down the stairs.
I went back and looked at my picture. It's exactly
the same staircase.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Does that Did that room seem large enough to shoot
all that tango club scene?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Really, the dancing was from a different angle, so the
dancing may have been in a different place, but when
when they're coming down those steps, that was in that
same room as the restaurant.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
By the way, speaking of coffee events at Warner Brothers,
we just had another one to launch the Fall Blend
and it was eruptive. It was fantastic. I got the
surprise fifty fans from the tour. It was really great,
serve them all coffee.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
You can see the videos are so great.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
We had such a good time. Anyway back anyway, so
I just wanted to.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Say those two things about the Tango Club so then
they go to the inn, which, if you look closely,
that was the Dragonfly. They just repainted it and put
some furniture in some different places, but the inn in
New Hampshire that they all go to was the Dragon
dragon Fly.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
And then so then there was after that. They get
to the inn and they go up to Logan's room.
Then there was a short quick scene back at the
motel with Lorelei and her new friends that was just
kind of filler. They're all coming back out for the
next round.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You guys might have already said this, but I was
happily surprised because in my memory Wild took way too long,
but it actually doesn't.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
In my memory, I was like, oh, Wild, And now
I'm like, actually, Wild was fine. It was totally appropriately long.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And i'll tell you appropriately short. That phone call to Emily, Wow,
I know, wow, what a performance I know. I mean,
Gez Chock put that in the top five of of
Lauren Graham scenes. I mean, that was something that was
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some display of good.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
It was really amazing, and it was it was so real,
like you could tell the emotion was real.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I also think Amy and Dan wrote that or Amy
wrote it so well because you could picture it like
every like every word she said in that monologue, I
could like picture Richard and her as a little girl
and them at the mall and the pretzels, like it
was just so perfectly explained and it was a beautiful
story told.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I literally had chills talking about it. Again.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
That's so great that that Emily has. She just listens. Yeah,
that's how powerful it was.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
And they just hung up at the end, like there
there didn't she just knew.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
She just thank you, right, she just thank you for
telling me.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
And I do love that because I think Emily needed
that from Lauralai so bad.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
You know, they needed to another major on from that moment.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, it was it was like what she needed back
at the funeral, that she that's what that's the story
she wanted at the funeral.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
But she accepted it this time, which I feel like
in normal Emily what you know, uh, in her normal behavior,
she would have been like, Okay, Laura, I well you know.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
What, you should have told me this then?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yeah, yeah, how nice of you to bring this up now,
you know, like I some kind of backhanded remark. And
I feel like the fact that she accepted it was
so beautiful. There was just something really sweet to that moment.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
You know what was beautiful about this entire episode? It
was completely lacking and correct me if I'm wrong. It
was completely lacking in what we grew grew very used to,
which was all of this conflict. It was just it
was an entire hour and forty minutes of resolution and
(40:12):
coming to terms and accepting reality and letting things go
and opening your heart and new horizons opening up and
getting married, and it was just all a celebration. Uh,
wonderful style, just wonderful, shockingly great episode, shocking, shockingly great film.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I agree, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
So then we go back to the scene at the
end and this is this is where Rory and Logan
are in bed and she he gives, she gives.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Unsee that it's a dragon fly. Now I'm sorry, I
can I literally cannot keep going.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Had this is where the Wizard of Oz moment was.
Was when they're getting ready to leave the end and
they have their nice little moment. He puts the hat
on her, they kiss. Yeah, that was And I'm not
even a team Logan person, it was.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I was choked. But I mean, for those four three guys,
Finn and I'm sorry, the Dames, Sister and Robert, Robert,
Colin Finn just impeccable work. I mean, it was just
perfect that the blocking, the timing, the delivery of all
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the lines. It was just the.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Way that they move is so good but smooth, like yeah,
they were.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
It was like it was like a brilliantly rehearsed Broadway play.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I totally the five, all five of them, Matt, Alexis
and then the three guys. They really nail every moment.
And in my mind, I know it's not like that's this,
but in my mind it's one long, ongoing shot that
just never stops that it's just like here they come
in the mass and out she goes and oh my gosh,
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and into the car and the back of that rumble
seat and boom, boom boom, and we're in the club
and it's a damn And to me, it just was
like the whole thing flowed, like, oh, I just I
love that scene. I know people there's not but.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
I love magical about the Life and Death Brigade. There's
just some magic that it just brings to this show.
Even back in the original series, especially during this this episode.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
It's Yeah, I didn't really care for them in the
original series because they just to me, they just came
off like spoiled brats. But in this I loved them,
Like I totally love the scenes with them.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I loved them from the start, but I love them
in this And I love how they dragged in the
lady from the paper. Yeah they got her all flash light. Now,
Jackie's saying the scene took a few months to shoot,
But I don't see how that's possible since the whole
he guys only shot the whole series for a few months,
she says, because of schedule.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
I mean they did it intermittently.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
They know, they did it over throughout. They didn't shoot
it all like shoot a.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Piece here and a piece there and a piece there. Yeah,
it was a three and a half month shoot. By
the way, for all well, Matt.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Was really a part of this entire four movies, you know,
Like it wasn't like Matt was like Milo, right, It's
like Matt is really integrated into this whole thing, Like
I know how at the very end, it's like Lauren Graham,
Alexis Bludell, Scott Patterson, and Emily Bishop it's like Matt
(43:39):
really deserved to be right after that, and I know
you couldn't put him in there, but like he's very
major in these movies. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
So then after that, then it cuts back to this,
the the second attempt to hike the trail, and now
we see this Peter Krause. Yeah, yeah, as the park
ranger irritated me a lot.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Less this time. The first time I was so irritated
by this scene.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
I was like, yeah, she forgot her registration or whatever.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
It's just like it just goes on and on. But
this time I was like, that's kind of fine, and
I love Peter Krause.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Was cute.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Another another Parenthood reference. I always this scene always makes
me laugh because, like personal story here, my husband is
a scout master for our Boy Scout Troop. My oldest
is about to get his Eagle Scout and he goes
to the meetings. He puts on the boy Scout uniform.
I tell him he looks like a park ranger.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
And so every time is he's you.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Know, leaving the to go to the meetings and he's like,
you know, i'll be back in an hour. I'm like,
all right, park, and oh, it's just kind of that's
funny in our house. With both of the ranger scenes,
the physical comedy from Lauren, I thought was hilarious, Like
(45:13):
she's trying to wrangle this giant backpack and she bends
over and the whole thing falls over her head. I
thought those scenes were funny.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
I thought there was a lot of comedic value there,
a lot of comedic stuff on her own, just with
a backpack, right exactly, Yeah, yeah, she really pulled it off.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, and then uh so then she we.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
See the Halfway House cafe, which is another thing that
was from Parenthood. Actually when oh really yeah, when I
can't remember the daughter's name, May Whitman's character when she
ran away, that was where they found her.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Par It's a great show, by the way, I don't
know if aout that. I loved it so good, you'll
cry like a baby. It's kind of this is Us
before this is Us. Yeah, watched it could could fly
because Parenthood locked or whatever. The saying is like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
And so this is where where we have the scene
with the monologue about Lorelai and Richard the mall great moment.
We just talked about that. Oh, and she talked about
the one of the movies they watched was An Unmarriaged Woman,
which was a Kelly Bishop movie, so it was kind of.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Jill Clayburg.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Jill Clayburg, Wow, I didn't see it. Maybe it's from
that era. I laughed. When she goes up to the
cafe and she tries the door knob and it's locked,
and then she's like, I hate nature.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, she's doing wild.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
These scenes played much better this round than they did
for me when I watched it eight years ago. It's like,
all just better.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah, because the first time you watch it, you're just
so thrown off by how different it is, and then
the second time you're kind of like over that.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
And yes, yes, I.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Said, that's the first time I've seen it. I wasn't
thrown at all. I was. I was delighted by it.
I'm so happy for I was so happy for it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
And I love this scene like that whole, the whole.
Lauren was great in this scene. And then the one thing,
and I don't know that this scene would have been
the place to put it in, could have gone somewhere else.
The one resolution I feel like we didn't get was
any kind of acknowledgment from Emily of her role in
(47:40):
any of the problems with Laura.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
I oh, I think that's I think that's just at
this point, that would be cruel.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
I think we're just the I think that's asking to
be And that's what I said.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
I don't think this scene was the place for that.
But nowhere in the revival. I just mean, for me,
that's an unresolved.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Thing, correct, because she's not going to be different, Like
it's not like when we see these people again. It's
not like Emily is just suddenly going to be the
perfect mother to me. If there was some sort of
acknowledgment of it, it would just come across trite. The
most we got was in the we get a little
we get little glimpses of that, and then I think
we get a little glimpse of that when she wants
(48:22):
the money to expand the in But Emily's not going
to become a different person.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
That's not what I'm asking for. I don't want Emily
to become a different person. I just would have liked
for her to acknowledge that maybe she made lorealized life
difficult once in a while.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
I just don't think she would be the person to.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Yeah, it was like she's not the person to she'd
throw it under the rug. But I don't think she'd
ever come and be like it was my fault. I
just don't think.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Again, Okay, I.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Understand what you actually do. Understand what you're saying. I
think the moment with the phone call did that for me.
I think it kind of like made them at peace.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, and she says thank you, right, well, she I
mean she got an apology from Laura I, which is
basically what that whole call was was, you know, in
a kind of an apology from Laura I. Well, Carline
put all that out there, and then Emily said thank you,
which I guess is all we can expect from her.
(49:25):
But I didn't feel like she gave anything back to
Laura I.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
That's all I'm saying. I think the most we could expect,
I think it would even almost be too much, is
if we knew as an audience that she was beginning
to start that conversation or she was starting to open
up a little bit before she even said anything, and
then stopped herself. Right. I think that's I think that
stays true to her character. I do. I do agree
(49:50):
with you though, that it could have been a very
powerful moment had she done it. But it's like, where
is she going to do it? When is she going
to do it, because I think after she loses Richard,
you know, it's hard to you know, call her onto
the carpet and say, apologize for what you've been.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
We got what we could get.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, And you know, obviously I'm not the writer, so
I don't know where I would have put it, But
it just would have been nice to, you know, talking
about how this whole episode is about resolutions and closing
the loop.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
And I just would have liked to have just like
throw me a bone on that, like, just you know
a lot, I think.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
But I think that's what Laurel. I did it.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
It it.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Released. She was releasing Emily from any obligation to do
that in the future because of the intimate nature of
the and the length of that story and the emotion
attached to it. And I think that's the reaction gave
was one of pure delight and relief, and she was
completely moved and it was all sins are forgiven. That
(50:58):
that speech was all sins are forgiven on both sides
and now we can start anew You know, it's like
maybe the first moment I've ever seen those two, maybe
before the bad stuff happened when she was fifteen or sixteen,
where there it was a moment of just utter motherly
(51:20):
love and open heartedness toward her daughter. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I just have it different.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Incredibly and incredibly powerful moment, incredibly and great acting from
from Kelly. The nonverbal stuff is just the hardest, so great. Yeah. Wow,
all right.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
So then we go back to Luke and Laurelai's kitchen
and the scene where Luke is cooking the steak for this.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Is such an amazing scene. Scott, you are no good
in this.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Yeah, I know, I Scott. I'll let you talk about
the scene because this was probably some of the most
powerful Luke material in the entire series.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
I think the hard the hard part was on Lauren.
You know, the difficult part about like when Lauren would
deliver a speech to me, right, the many long speeches
she would she would deliver to me, What you don't
want to do as a scene partner is screw her up, right,
(52:35):
because you have a little word here and there that
can often She had.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Those sort of funny comedy relief moments, right, and and she.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
The balance of it and the timing of it is
all so crucial so as not to step on what
I'm saying and keep the momentum going, but also get
in you know, her intention, which is equally as important
as the you know, the chunks of dialogue that I
am saying. And she did it beautifully and it really
made the scene fly. So it's thank you for the
(53:06):
nice comments. It was a tough scene to do, you know,
it's a very emotional thing, but it was easy. It
was much easier because I knew I had a partner
who could knows what the shot is that I'm making
and hits the ball back where I can continue, We
can continue to volley the ball back and forth. And
(53:29):
that's what she's also so good at, which is why
those scenes really pop. So I commend her for being
so astute and so focused and so concentrated, because you
really have to focus harder not to trip the other
actor up when they have volumes of dialogue that they
have to execute, you know it.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
And they have to be in a certain like mindset
or place because it's so emotional and you feel like,
I just thought that scene is so good, and I
actually her little sort of like moments of it where
she's kind of being a little bit funny and like
it's just just so good.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
From thee From a technical point of view, what she
had to deal with was not get distracted by what
I was saying, but feel it because she has to
feel it as the character, but not miss her cues
because she had a bunch of cues in there where
she had to throw in a line or a look
or whatever. Right, And it's hard when somebody's you know,
(54:27):
delivering with with real intensity something coming at you, it's
easy to get caught up in that and get lost
and oh shoot, I forgot my line, so sorry, well
we'll have to do it again. You get that, So
it's able to split focus within how you're focusing and
and staying character, but while still being technical. It's it's
(54:49):
it's incredibly difficult, and she just did such a great job,
such a boat.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
How many times did you guys have to do that?
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Do you remember? It was a few, Yeah, it was
a few. I remember being quite aust after that. But yeah,
but you know Amy as a director, you know, you
know she knows which moments are going to be really
you know, the fireworks moments, and you really want to
nail those. And I don't know that we did it.
(55:19):
I think we did three or four takes, five takes
maybe at the most, because it was going well. I
remember it was going well right from the beginning. But
there's always little adjustments and things like that, you know. Yeah,
so there's some lighting things. There's always lighting issues and
that's to be expected. But it went very very smoothly,
very well that scene. Yeah, yeah, actually fun to do.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
And it's such a nice resolution in that scene, and
I'm so glad, like that's not the end of the show, right,
Like it's like it's so cool that you're like, oh,
what a relief, and then we get to have some fun,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (55:56):
Like that was sort of how I know, because at first,
like the first time you watch it, you don't know
what she's gonna say.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
You don't know, like here we go again.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
See I'm out of here, like I'm leaving, Like you
don't know what conclusion she has reached inside her head.
And so then when she says I think we should
get married, then you're like, yes, yeah, so yeah, that
was that was a great scene. And then he's got
he's still got the same engagement ring and he gives
it back to her and I thought that was cute
and he.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
Just had a handy yeah, right there waiting for that moment.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
All right, gang, we're loving Fall so much, we're gonna
split it up into two because we can't stop gab it.
So we're gonna we're gonna bring part one to an
end and stay tuned for part two. Hey, everybody tell again.
(57:12):
Follow us on Instagram at I Am all In podcast
and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
I am all in.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
That's just you.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I am all in with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcast one
eleven Productions. iHeart radio, iHeart media, iHeart podcasts. We are
gonna break down a year in the life Fall recap.
I'm joined by partial intrepid crew, but pretty darn intrepid
in their own right. Suzanne French, Tyre suit, Amy and
(00:42):
Danielle will be joining us momentarily. And uh, are we
gonna do a recap? Or you want to just get
right into this?
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Should we start with overall thoughts?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Or should we Okay, So I'm going to chime in here.
I thoroughly enjoyed this. Yeah, I thought that it was
I always try to look at these as movies and
not to TV shows. It's an hour and a half.
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It's a whole different structure, as I've said before. And
I thought Amy did a fantastic job of infusing all
of her influences, I mean, from Fellini to Fincher. I
saw her give a nod to so many different directors
in this film. I thought the Light and Death Brigade
(01:41):
stuff was magic. I thought the Luke and laurel ized
stuff was fraught with tension and just great. I thought
the Jess stuff was great. I thought a lot of it,
and I thought Alexis was great. I thought the entire
I thought the story or telling was spot on. I
(02:04):
think it's really hard and plus it didn't seem like
Gilmore Girls at all when it's in a film format,
because it's taking more time, it's breathing, it's more open.
You're getting close up of people reacting to things and
feeling things and emoting things. We can read thoughts without words.
(02:24):
And then at times it kicks in to our old
familiar Gilmour banter right to bring us back in to it.
It's like, oh, yes, this is but so it had
the DNA, but it also Amy infused it with her
love of dance, her love of cinema, because she's not
(02:44):
just a TV gal, right, I mean she's an erudite,
accomplished consumer of film and literature and anything pop culture obviously,
and it was all infused into this film. And I
thought as a film as a romantic comedy or a dramedy,
(03:07):
it worked on every level and I enjoyed every single
part of it. Blew me away Blew Me Away could
have stood alone if they released it as a film,
like here you go, fans, let's let's release it into
three thousand theaters. I bet it would have done pretty
darn well.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
No, and you watched it before, I mean no, you haven't.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Okay, Well, I had to do a dr on our
you know, my big speech in the kitchen with Laura
when she returns from wilding. So i'd seen that before, Okay,
but that's pretty much it. I think I did a
little a dr on the just scene when the when
the flower broke over me oh h covered flower. Yeah,
(03:51):
but I hadn't seen anything else, and I was I
was shocked, surprised and delighted by all of it. Yeah,
I mean in the first act, I was just like wow, Wow, Wow,
what an accomplishment. And I was so happy for Amy
Sherman Palladino because somebody had given her the money and
(04:15):
the means to make what really, you know, goes on
in her head in a film makes sense and get
it up on screen. She had free life, pretty much,
free license to do what she wanted. I thought she
did a beautiful job, a beautiful job. Yeah, And I
think a real contribution to the Gilmour Cannon. I don't
(04:36):
see it as my whole opinion of these episodes has changed.
You know, some are week better than others. But this
was just wow, krem de la creme, and actually kind
of it was almost like, I hate to use the term.
I don't want to say autopsy of the series or
(04:56):
a post mortem of the series, but it kind of
rightfully ended it in a way, you know what I'm saying.
It's like, it's like all the loose ends were tied
up pretty much, except of course you've got this, yeah,
the cliffhanger, the four words at the end, right which
opens it all back up again. But I just thought,
(05:18):
what a delight, and they kept honoring Richard appropriately and
those were big moments. And I really do like how
they did the elopement and the wedding, but there's still
more room for storytelling. I just loved it all. I
loved it all anyway, I'll shut up you guys chime in.
Speaker 5 (05:40):
I also loved it, and I also realized I hadn't
watched it in a really long time. I think I
kind of avoid it because it's like the end, like
the end, the end, kind of like how Amy avoided,
you know, the last episode of the series. But what
stood out to me, and again I agree with everything
(06:00):
you said, Scott, but I thought the directing, like the
camera work was so interesting that I actually looked up
and I noticed it was Amy who directed it, and
and the camera work was so interesting, the way like
it would turn or it was like kind of it
seemed like a handheld I don't know the like terminology of.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
A lot of those shots were on a dolly, which
is actually like a train track. It's a mini train
track for yeah, for the platform that the camera sits
on so you can can it smoothly move And.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
It's like my favorite scene and we'll get to it,
but was when Rory is alone in her grandparents' house,
Like that was my favorite scene, just the way it
was shot.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Are you talking about how this is the best episode ever?
Speaker 6 (06:50):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Amazing.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
I wrote out of text to you last night. I
deleted it because I was like, I need to wait,
but I was like I needed to know what you
thought of the just.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
I feel like he redeems it.
Speaker 4 (07:02):
I cannot handle this episode. It was everything I needed
and then some. And I just wish all four were
like this because it was so Gilmore Girls in every heart,
every scene was Gilmore Girls, and I, oh my god,
I'm just so happy it ended this way, like so
(07:23):
thrilled me too.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Me too. I think it's the you know, it gave
me this. I mean, it opened up a whole new world.
It's like, why is an Amy Sherman Paladina writing and
directing films? I think she likes the immediacy of TV
and the length and the width and the breadth and
(07:46):
the depth of the storytelling that she can accomplish in
a short period of time with TV because she does
it at such a high level. But what she would
be a great film director too. Oh, I mean just
some of those like the shots like Tara, that shot
of Rory opening up her laptop in Richard's office and
starting to write her boss. The lighting there, it was gorgeous.
(08:10):
It was like the beautiful movie shots.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
And there we was there was I feel like every
loop was closed, Like That's what I loved about it.
It's just every but then obviously left on a massive cliffhanger,
but it just felt like we got closure on a
lot on a loaned mm hmm.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It was definitely the most cinematic of the four episodes,
and I have to also, you know, give props to
the set decoration, Like absolutely, the whole Life and Death
Brigade thing, I thought that was a little drawn out,
but visually lighting with it, it was so stunning. And
(08:53):
then the whole wedding scene that's kind of the Alice
in Wonderland theme, Like it just was like this magical Wonderland.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
Did not take your breath away. When Rory went into
the stars Hollow Gazette at night and she was having
that you know, this felliniesque experience outside with the crow
talking to her, Yeah, you know all that, and the
guy going by on a unicycle predicting doom and all stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
It was good.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
It was It was so Italian noir.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
There was a lot of references to other things as well,
like at the end of should we just jump into it, guys,
because I feel.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Like I wrote them down, but I mean that when
she's inside and then she and then the camera comes
around and gets a little bit behind her and we
see three of the Light and Death Brigades coming emerging
from the mist, it was like, wow, it was so beautiful.
(09:56):
I'm gonna watch this again to you.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
I already watched twice. I'm gonna watch it third, fourth, Ye,
I want.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
To watch it again.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
It was I mean, I have to admit I want
to watch episode one again, like of the whole series
right after because I was like, it can't end.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
This was like an hour and forty minutes. It was
the longest before. It felt like twenty It felt so short.
I don't know how to explain it. I was just
hooked and fully invested the whole.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
What a gift, What a gift to the fans, you know,
I mean, what a gift. Thank you, thank you, thank you,
Amy Sherman peld you know, for this brilliant piece of filmmaking,
brilliant on every level. It's like, as witty as the
banter she creates, as funny as she can write, as
(10:46):
dramatic as she can write. She also knows what the
hell to do with a camera. She knows how to
move a camera. And it's like, wow, what a what
a what a talent? My gosh, my gosh. Anyway, should
we even bother synopsizing? Yeah, let's get into it.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Yeah, okay, so gosh, there is so much to talk about.
So we start out. Lorelai is doing wild in air quotes.
She's got this crazy backpack that is practically a character
by itself. And then uh, so we see Jason Ritter.
(11:34):
He's the first park ranger and of course probably most
people know they work together in Parenthood. There were all
there were like a lot of connections to Parenthood and.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It is I think we talked about it. Parenthood had
just ended because we had May Whitman. Then you have
Peter Krause in this episode as well, and then.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
She's right, you also had Lauren's assistant. Yes, who was
who was the whale? Uh in the Whale Museum? Right.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
I recommended the voice immediately because he was in that
other episode. He was the one that wanted the steel
cut oats. She's six sometime. Yeah, so lot lots of callbacks.
So okay, Booker movie, she doesn't have her permit. Oh
(12:23):
that's right. They were all going to start again the
next day because the conditions were bad for boot throwing,
So they all go back to their motel and then
this is the part that you were talking about, Scott,
where they're back at the Gazette and first Rory gets
that message on her computer like this is like pre
(12:44):
I am I guess she's she's got like the message
on her computer. Ready says ready, and then the pedal
the pig runs by, So you already know like, okay, something,
this is going to be like super literal. There's gonna
be some sort of fantasy elements here. And then we
(13:04):
go to the diner scene. I loved the diner scene
with Jess and Luke and everybody's on their laptops.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
And I said this after the last episode, where is
Jess and Luke that was missing and I'm finally.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I told you to stay tuned, Remember.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
You did, and it was a great payoff.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Yeah, it was. I love that scene. And you know,
Luke is all confused and off balance and funny little
thing about how the vegetable cult kicked out TJ because
they were two heard and then they have they have
that nice conversation about Lorelei, you know, what is her
(13:44):
ultimate intent with you know, leaving town and going out
on this hike, and so that was that was just
a great, a great moment between them, and so we
seen it.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
There was a lot that was in that scene though.
You you saw that Luke was come to terms that
with the fact that Laurla may leave him right because
you know, there was rockiness there and Jess can sniff
that out like a mile away that something was going
on with Luke, and Luke just revealed, you know, he
(14:17):
revealed his biggest fear, that Laura I was going to
leave him. I thought that was super powerful.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Yeah, And it was such a role reversal too, because
in the original series, it was always Luke trying to
help Jess, and now it's completely the opposite, Like Jess
is the adult and he's trying to help Luke through
think through this situation. I really love Jess in that scene.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
And then he like the Internet.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
That was so funny.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I'll also laugh about bagels split four ways.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Really yeah, just a great scene all around. And then
we go back to the motel where laurel I is
(15:08):
with the other hikers and they're sitting around the fire
pit talking about their stories. I really liked Lorelei's line
when they asked her what her story was and she says, oh,
there's no story, just a punchline like that kind of
sums up her story, like it how she kind of
uses humor to push other things away and to put
(15:30):
up that wall around herself, and it really just in
her mind, everything just boils down to a punchline. I
thought that was powerful.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I didn't even pick that up, but you're right, you're
very right.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
Yeah, yeah, And let's see. So they all are talking about,
you know, they all want to get some insight from this,
which I think that's just the theme of Wild is,
you know, everybody wants to get some insight from that height,
whether it's you know, theoretical or physical. And just like
(16:07):
we saw in the last scene with Luke talking about
his fears, now we're seeing Laurel I talking about her fears.
You know, she thought she had everything figured out and
now she's not so sure anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You know, before we got your father's a little behind
the scenes stuff that I should have shared. While we're
talking about the Luke and Jess scene. How did how
did they get the flower on me? Oh? Yeah, there
was somebody back there. I forget who it was. It
might have been Robert Lee. Somebody was back there, and
they poured it on me every take. Gosh, I had
(16:43):
to try to close my eyes and then they dumped
it on you, and then I dacked forrassled walkout and.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Did you have to change your clothes. Hi, everybody, Sorry
I was late. Hi, I missed you all. Did you
have to change your clothes and restart the front part?
They got the flower off of you.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Uh well, I emerge with the flower on, so I
always have it on.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Go back there, okay, because we just hear you okay.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Oh gosh. I don't think we had to do it.
I only think we had to do it the one time,
maybe one or two times. It wasn't knocked right. I
mean it's like with the with the push in the
in the water, it's one take. With this was one take.
You know, it's all easy. It's all easy.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Ry sort of dryness. I don't know what the like
right where it is the dry sarcasm of the scenes
with you and Mila. They always have that sort of
like there's a sarcasm, there's sort of a it's very understated,
it's never overacted. And both of you play. I literally
(17:51):
remember when I was watching Fall, thinking these two are buds, right,
like you see it in the episode like and I
want to talk all about Milo in this episode. I
love Fall, It's my favorite one of all the movies.
But I because it made me think about the podcast
episode where we had Milo on the friendship and the
(18:15):
sort of like bromance between the two of you is
so obvious. It's obvious in this episode, and it's obvious
when we had him on just the love that you
guys have for each other.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
So jealous, I want a bromance with Milo.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
He also looked extra for Buff this episode. He was jazzed, I.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
Think in the in this in the scene in the house,
I was like, man, he's.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
A real highlight to this episode, and I know, well,
I don't know what I missed. The scene at his
sort of final moment looking in on Rory.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
At it, real emotional.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
The whole episode was like that cried multiple times.
Speaker 2 (19:01):
Really was better this time, Susanne, you were so right
watching it multiple times because for me when I whatever,
I don't know, I don't want to give the end,
but like I have a total different take on the
end now than I did eight years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
M hm. And the.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Writing of the new series in my head where the
baby is Logan's but Milo is the is the boyfriend
is just everywhere.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
For me right now, like we have to we have
to talk about it. I completely disagree. Oh, I feel
like that was that an actual spin off, Like, no,
I'm making it up to me.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
To me, the Logan is the baby daddy, but she's
reconcile with Jess and that is a series. I'm like,
I am, why do you hate that?
Speaker 4 (19:56):
No, I just I don't think. I think this is
going to say really weird, but I think Jess is
too good for Rorri. Now. I don't think he's going back.
I think he's moved on. I think he's on his path.
And say that except for the way he looks, I know,
but it's it's that look that he gave is. I
will always love her, but we're not meant to be.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I didn't.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
I will always love her.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
I love her.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
That. I don't know if I got the it's not
meant to be part.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
See, I agree with you, Scott, I got Yeah, I
love her and this is fun to speculate.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
I did want to do that on this episode. I
wanted to speculate on what's next, Like what if if
there was one more uh year in the life, what
that would look like?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Well, I mean with a with a Logan baby and
being together with Jess. That's history repeating itself, right, That's
that's Christopher. And then Luke, and it's.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's Dean and Jess mirrors it's also Dean and Jess.
It's like, look, this show doesn't doesn't shy away from
trying right. It loves a triangle everything in the show,
which is like a whole psychology of this show. But
the triangle of Grandma, mother daughter, the triangle of Christopher, Lorli, Luke, Dean, Jesse, Rory.
(21:14):
Like we had triangles throughout this series, and fans like triangles. Yeah, yeah,
the tale is oldest time. Guys. Wait what did I miss?
By the way, how far did we get?
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Not that far?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Not that far.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
We're just coming up to the scene where they were
the Life and Death Brigade.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
And we were lavishing Fall with excessive praise to the
point where it all made us sick.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
So yeah, it was a significant amount of life.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
If you will indulge me, If you will indulge me,
I agree. Fall is great.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Great.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Fall is great from start to finish. The hair has
totally improved.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I'm sorry, except from my hair piece. I'm sorry that
it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
It's not great.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
The camera move around at the gazebo and the wedding,
and that looked like it fell from about ten thousand
feet and splatted on top of my head. I'm sorry,
not terrible.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
It's not terrible that here.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I really noticed it though the other scene, right it
looked okay, but.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
That Lauren Lorelei's hair is totally improved back to normal.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
I looked like Earl Shibe, you know, selling paint. It
was it was. It was bad. Go ahead, all right.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Zan was.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Was leading the charge here.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Great, I was trying to We keep getting distracted though,
because we keep going off. I mean, that's just what
we do.
Speaker 1 (22:46):
We got It's what we do. It's Tangent City. Our
love for Fall makes us visit Tangent City so often
now so we have.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
We were talking about how there's so many throwbacks in
this episode to the original show, and I I realized
we already missed one of them. And that was at
the very opening scene where she's got the backpackage. She's
on the phone leaving a message for Luke and she
makes a comment about how all parts of the tree
are edible, and that was from she had a conversation
with Jess about that when he was cleaning out the gutters.
(23:17):
And I know that's a pop culture reference. It's from
her book. I don't we maybe.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Me?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
And then.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
So in this scene we have the gorilla masks are back.
Remember R's in missile encounter with the Life and Death
Brigade was the girl and the gorilla mask in the bathroom.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I will say, like with the computer and the pig
and like all that, I didn't piece it together that
they were coming back. But then when I saw them,
I was like.
Speaker 6 (23:46):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, I need another Life and
Death Brigade like throw I needed that again.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, you know that some people don't love it, which
I think is look because I saw in the comments
when we were all talking about the musical that people
were like, I know, Amy's gonna love this part and
it's so cringey.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Whatever, I don't like this.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Some people don't. I mean that was my inference, if
that's a word inference, inference inference from their comments, because
they didn't come out and say it. They said, oh,
they're gonna like this or they're not gonna like this whatever.
I love it so much that I YouTube just this
scene all the time. I love the music, I love
(24:31):
the dancing, I love the mist, I love.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
The dark miss.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
The way they yeah, the way they're revealed.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
I love her.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
I love that blue coat. I literally have been scouring
the internet for that blue.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Right. And it's stuff, it's film, it's cinema, it's actual
high level cinema or homage to high level cinema.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Right, fol Dancing with the Stars number.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
We were at the Tata Club a little too long.
It could have been a little I did. I did
love it.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
I wanted Matt Zuger and Alexis to learn a full dance.
I could have stayed longer, Thank you, Scott.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
I just thought I thought dance was so bad.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
They both looked awkward to me, like.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
World class dancers that were hired. How are they going
to shine? You know?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
I love those.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Yeah, I love the jokes of their just like astonishing privilege, right,
just buying this and buying that, and then it ends.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
With my heartbreaking like.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Rory, It's almost like it's just painful. And even though
I'm like, yes, and even though he's such a cheater, cheater,
pumpkin eater, I'm so like forgiving of it. And she's
like they're both wrong, but like it's.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
So right, and you just it takes on, you know
a lot of what Rory was doing what was going
on in this is it was taking on tragic proportions
and it's.
Speaker 4 (26:14):
So well done, so you just want one of them
so badly to be like can we be together? And
I feel like Rory gave that her shot by saying,
are you really going to.
Speaker 6 (26:26):
Marry your debt?
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Like, yeah, she tried to go there. She gave it
the shot that it needed. And I think that's why
she's so easily able to move on because she gave
it the shot and realized that it's not happening, that
that's that that's not happening.
Speaker 2 (26:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
I want to spend a second on that because I
always see on comments on social media people say things like, oh,
you know, Logan would have been Logan would have left
Odette if Rory had asked him to.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
She did then shed, and that to me, that was her.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Giving him an opening and she said are you really
going to marry her? That would have been the perfect
time for him to say something flip like, well, make
me a better offer or something like that, and he doesn't.
He says that's the dynastic plan. He to me, that's
totally a cop out, and you know he's in his
mid thirties. Now he doesn't have to marry who Mommy
(27:24):
and Daddy tell him to marry. If he wants to
be with Rory, he can leave Odette without her telling
him to, like, he can make that choice, and he doesn't.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
But here's why that doesn't happen. Sorry, I don't want
to interrupt you.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Right to withdraw his stock options.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Well, no, God, he's got the best of both worlds
right now. He's got his cake and he's eating it.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
So storytelling wise, here's why I think that doesn't happen
because if he says to her, then I want to
be with you, we don't have our end of mom
I'm pregnant. It would be like I'm marrying Logan and
I'm pregnant. It's just a totally different mic drop. So
for me, it's all part of this story, right, and
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we're left with a huge cliffhanger essentially. So I think
the storytelling is because he doesn't say like no, never,
It's like he sort of gives that answer Susanne. I
think you said it like that's the plan. That doesn't
mean yes, he said that's the plan.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And it doesn't mean no on Logan's part either. There's
still storytelling to be had there.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, right, you're right, You're right, And then we get
to this end because the end, everything is leading to
the end, right, we're heartbroken for her. Oh gosh, I
clearly he's the daddy, right, Like there's nothing It's never
been more obvious to me than on this rewatch that
he is the father. Yeah, but that's why we're left.
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That's why she's so brilliant Amy, because that's why we
have that moment with Jess of him looking in the
window and all of us going, oh my god, he
because otherwise why would Luke say, is that is that over?
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah, that's over? And then he looks at her like,
we'll get into it, and and I do. At the
end of this, stew want to talk about what we
all think is coming up, because I think the we'll
talk about it. The scene with Christopher was very important too.
There's a lot in there. There's a lot in there
about Yeah, so we'll get.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
Into this scene scene and then I want to let
you finish.
Speaker 4 (29:31):
What I love about about this part though, is I
I actually as a fake, as a as a viewer
who's been watching this in season one, I have never
liked Rory. I will be the first person to say
I have been saying that I loved her so much
in this scene because she was like, you know what,
I'm going to get my own car and I'm going
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to get the hell out of here and I'm going
to start doing things for myself. And I feel like
we finally saw the wheels start to turn in her
brain and this, and I really really love that. I
don't know, I just got to give like kudos to
Rory here.
Speaker 6 (30:06):
I just do.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah, yeah, And she didn't take the keys and she's
the keys.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
And she fad and I love that she was like
I know where I want to write this, and I'm like,
where is she going to write this? And then we
get the payoff, you know, like there's oh god, Amy
is such a freaking genius. All this stuff is just.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Shows real growth as a character and real maturity as
as as a character. I mean, it's it's yeah, it's
wonderful to watch.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Think you also really feel like Amy Sherman Palladino loves
these characters right, because she did right by them all
pretty much, except for the one joke that I just
was like, he doesn't think that's how surrogacy works. But whatever,
we'll get to that. She really did not other than
(30:58):
that one line, she really didn't write by all the characters,
all of them, and I, frankly, we can argue this.
I'm not mad about how they get married. I thought
it was beautiful and I'm frank Yeah, so we'll get
to that. But anyway, Susanne, I wanted to let you
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finish your thought.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
Still have a big wedding.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
They're having a party, the party is not canceled.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
There's more story to be told her. I I completely agree.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
They just needed that they ceremony to be so intimate
and just when you're and you're like, oh, Michelle's there
and Lane's there, this is It gives me chills. I
was so pleased. I was just like, this is and
that and she's walking through and then to not end
(31:52):
on that scene that you end on the morning after
before the big celebration with this bomb drop. But anyway, Susanne,
keep talking about because I don't want to not acknowledge
your frustration with logan, even though I saw great meaning
in it.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
Yeah, I think I made my point. I just was
saying that, you know, a lot of people think that
Rory needs to tell Logan to leave Odette and then
he will be with her. But my point was really
that he is making a choice to be with Odette
and not Rory because.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Of the ball here he got. She was leading him
to water and he didn't take like she she was
doing it. I did want to say in this scene.
It was a callback that I wanted to bring up.
When she was saying bye to the three was Wizard
of Oz? Did anybody?
Speaker 5 (32:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
And I was literally I was like, this is she
was saying by the tin man and the lie exactly?
It was exactly it.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, that's dumb.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah, guys, I did not get that.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Okay, really maybe watch it, watch it back Amy.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Just now maybe Susanne, I don't know if you have
the what she says, but natural when she's saying her yeah,
I know right where it is now and I'm now
getting it and the whole you know, I felt, you
can alsoy one thing really fast and then I'll shut
the hell up. This scene. I don't know if I
love it so much because it resonates so much with me.
Have you ever had that night, that that night with
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the person you love and you're surrounded by these like
the cool kids, and the whole thing's just firing on
all cylinders and you love this night, and yet you
keep looking at your watch because you're like, oh god,
we only have seven more hours. Oh god, we only
have six more hours. And I just felt that and
it's like, oh gosh, that was three nights.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
A week when I lived in New York City. I
mean that was like.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
I just kind of blew my mind a little bit. Sorry,
But back to the whole Wizard of Oz thing. If
you think about uh, Wizard of Oz and Rory and
this is Dorothy, she's saying goodbye to these you know,
the line and the tin Man and the Scarecrow, and
she is going back home, right, So she's staying back,
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saying bye to this like beautiful land of Oz or whatever,
and is going back home. I feel like that is
literally what Rory's doing in the scene. She's saying goodbye
to the Life and Death Brigade but going back home
to write her book. Like there's a lot of something
there I don't know.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
And the whole point and we're getting a little bit
ahead because we're actually not at that scene yet, but
the whole point in the Wizard of Oz was that
Dorothy had the power the whole time. She didn't need
the Wizard, she didn't need to go on this whole
physical journey. She had the power the whole time. It's
kind of the same thing with Rory, like she's always
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had that internal power and now she's going to exercise.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
It and go, you know, you, guys, this is so good.
I can't even handle it.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Yeah, it's so good, so much.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Before we leave the tango club or the Yeah, the
tango club, I just wanted to club. So the cigarette
girl was Amy shrim Palladino's mom. I don't know if
that or not really, Yeah, And then the other thing.
I realized this last night for the first time. The room,
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like the physical room at the studio where they shot
that scene, I realized last night is the same room,
a different end of it where Luke and LORLEI had
the I am all in conversation. One end of that
room was the restaurant where they went on that date
and said I am all in. And I figured it
(35:43):
out because when we were on the lot for the
coffee event back in January, we went in there and
you were, Scott, you were talking about how yeah, this
is where we filmed that scene. I took a picture,
and when I was watching the episode last.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Night, I'm like, wait a minute, did you go back
the same stairs?
Speaker 3 (36:02):
And so I pulled up when Rory and Logan are
standing there like on a balcony and the ceiling is
really low and they're like leaning over the rail looking
out at the dancers, and then they go down the stairs.
I went back and looked at my picture. It's exactly
the same staircase.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Does that Did that room seem large enough to shoot
all that tango club scene?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Really, the dancing was from a different angle, so the
dancing may have been in a different place, but when
when they're coming down those steps, that was in that
same room as the restaurant.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
By the way, speaking of coffee events at Warner Brothers,
we just had another one to launch the Fall Blend
and it was eruptive. It was fantastic. I got the
surprise fifty fans from the tour. It was really great,
serve them all coffee.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
You can see the videos are so great.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
We had such a good time. Anyway back anyway, so
I just wanted to.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Say those two things about the Tango Club so then
they go to the inn, which, if you look closely,
that was the Dragonfly. They just repainted it and put
some furniture in some different places, but the inn in
New Hampshire that they all go to was the Dragon
dragon Fly.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
And then so then there was after that. They get
to the inn and they go up to Logan's room.
Then there was a short quick scene back at the
motel with Lorelei and her new friends that was just
kind of filler. They're all coming back out for the
next round.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
You guys might have already said this, but I was
happily surprised because in my memory Wild took way too long,
but it actually doesn't.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It doesn't.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
In my memory, I was like, oh, Wild, And now
I'm like, actually, Wild was fine. It was totally appropriately long.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And i'll tell you appropriately short. That phone call to Emily, Wow,
I know, wow, what a performance I know. I mean,
Gez Chock put that in the top five of of
Lauren Graham scenes. I mean, that was something that was
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some display of good.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
It was really amazing, and it was it was so real,
like you could tell the emotion was real.
Speaker 5 (38:27):
I also think Amy and Dan wrote that or Amy
wrote it so well because you could picture it like
every like every word she said in that monologue, I
could like picture Richard and her as a little girl
and them at the mall and the pretzels, like it
was just so perfectly explained and it was a beautiful
story told.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I literally had chills talking about it. Again.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
That's so great that that Emily has. She just listens. Yeah,
that's how powerful it was.
Speaker 4 (38:58):
And they just hung up at the end, like there
there didn't she just knew.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
She just thank you, right, she just thank you for
telling me.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
And I do love that because I think Emily needed
that from Lauralai so bad.
Speaker 1 (39:10):
You know, they needed to another major on from that moment.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Yeah, it was it was like what she needed back
at the funeral, that she that's what that's the story
she wanted at the funeral.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
But she accepted it this time, which I feel like
in normal Emily what you know, uh, in her normal behavior,
she would have been like, Okay, Laura, I well you know.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
What, you should have told me this then?
Speaker 4 (39:38):
Yeah, yeah, how nice of you to bring this up now,
you know, like I some kind of backhanded remark. And
I feel like the fact that she accepted it was
so beautiful. There was just something really sweet to that moment.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
You know what was beautiful about this entire episode? It
was completely lacking and correct me if I'm wrong. It
was completely lacking in what we grew grew very used to,
which was all of this conflict. It was just it
was an entire hour and forty minutes of resolution and
(40:12):
coming to terms and accepting reality and letting things go
and opening your heart and new horizons opening up and
getting married, and it was just all a celebration. Uh,
wonderful style, just wonderful, shockingly great episode, shocking, shockingly great film.
Speaker 2 (40:32):
I agree, it's so good.
Speaker 1 (40:33):
It's so good.
Speaker 3 (40:35):
So then we go back to the scene at the
end and this is this is where Rory and Logan
are in bed and she he gives, she gives.
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Unsee that it's a dragon fly. Now I'm sorry, I
can I literally cannot keep going.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Had this is where the Wizard of Oz moment was.
Was when they're getting ready to leave the end and
they have their nice little moment. He puts the hat
on her, they kiss. Yeah, that was And I'm not
even a team Logan person, it was.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
I was choked. But I mean, for those four three guys,
Finn and I'm sorry, the Dames, Sister and Robert, Robert,
Colin Finn just impeccable work. I mean, it was just
perfect that the blocking, the timing, the delivery of all
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the lines. It was just the.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Way that they move is so good but smooth, like yeah,
they were.
Speaker 1 (41:40):
It was like it was like a brilliantly rehearsed Broadway play.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I totally the five, all five of them, Matt, Alexis
and then the three guys. They really nail every moment.
And in my mind, I know it's not like that's this,
but in my mind it's one long, ongoing shot that
just never stops that it's just like here they come
in the mass and out she goes and oh my gosh,
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and into the car and the back of that rumble
seat and boom, boom boom, and we're in the club
and it's a damn And to me, it just was
like the whole thing flowed, like, oh, I just I
love that scene. I know people there's not but.
Speaker 4 (42:20):
I love magical about the Life and Death Brigade. There's
just some magic that it just brings to this show.
Even back in the original series, especially during this this episode.
Speaker 3 (42:32):
It's Yeah, I didn't really care for them in the
original series because they just to me, they just came
off like spoiled brats. But in this I loved them,
Like I totally love the scenes with them.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
I loved them from the start, but I love them
in this And I love how they dragged in the
lady from the paper. Yeah they got her all flash light. Now,
Jackie's saying the scene took a few months to shoot,
But I don't see how that's possible since the whole
he guys only shot the whole series for a few months,
she says, because of schedule.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
I mean they did it intermittently.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
They know, they did it over throughout. They didn't shoot
it all like shoot a.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Piece here and a piece there and a piece there. Yeah,
it was a three and a half month shoot. By
the way, for all well, Matt.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Was really a part of this entire four movies, you know,
Like it wasn't like Matt was like Milo, right, It's
like Matt is really integrated into this whole thing, Like
I know how at the very end, it's like Lauren Graham,
Alexis Bludell, Scott Patterson, and Emily Bishop it's like Matt
(43:39):
really deserved to be right after that, and I know
you couldn't put him in there, but like he's very
major in these movies. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
So then after that, then it cuts back to this,
the the second attempt to hike the trail, and now
we see this Peter Krause. Yeah, yeah, as the park
ranger irritated me a lot.
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Less this time. The first time I was so irritated
by this scene.
Speaker 4 (44:14):
I was like, yeah, she forgot her registration or whatever.
Speaker 2 (44:17):
It's just like it just goes on and on. But
this time I was like, that's kind of fine, and
I love Peter Krause.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Was cute.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
Another another Parenthood reference. I always this scene always makes
me laugh because, like personal story here, my husband is
a scout master for our Boy Scout Troop. My oldest
is about to get his Eagle Scout and he goes
to the meetings. He puts on the boy Scout uniform.
I tell him he looks like a park ranger.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
And so every time is he's you.
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Know, leaving the to go to the meetings and he's like,
you know, i'll be back in an hour. I'm like,
all right, park, and oh, it's just kind of that's
funny in our house. With both of the ranger scenes,
the physical comedy from Lauren, I thought was hilarious, Like
(45:13):
she's trying to wrangle this giant backpack and she bends
over and the whole thing falls over her head. I
thought those scenes were funny.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
I thought there was a lot of comedic value there,
a lot of comedic stuff on her own, just with
a backpack, right exactly, Yeah, yeah, she really pulled it off.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Yeah, and then uh so then she we.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
See the Halfway House cafe, which is another thing that
was from Parenthood. Actually when oh really yeah, when I
can't remember the daughter's name, May Whitman's character when she
ran away, that was where they found her.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
Par It's a great show, by the way, I don't
know if aout that. I loved it so good, you'll
cry like a baby. It's kind of this is Us
before this is Us. Yeah, watched it could could fly
because Parenthood locked or whatever. The saying is like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
And so this is where where we have the scene
with the monologue about Lorelai and Richard the mall great moment.
We just talked about that. Oh, and she talked about
the one of the movies they watched was An Unmarriaged Woman,
which was a Kelly Bishop movie, so it was kind of.
Speaker 2 (46:28):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Jill Clayburg.
Speaker 3 (46:32):
Jill Clayburg, Wow, I didn't see it. Maybe it's from
that era. I laughed. When she goes up to the
cafe and she tries the door knob and it's locked,
and then she's like, I hate nature.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
Yeah, she's doing wild.
Speaker 2 (46:49):
These scenes played much better this round than they did
for me when I watched it eight years ago. It's like,
all just better.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yeah, because the first time you watch it, you're just
so thrown off by how different it is, and then
the second time you're kind of like over that.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
And yes, yes, I.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Said, that's the first time I've seen it. I wasn't
thrown at all. I was. I was delighted by it.
I'm so happy for I was so happy for it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (47:18):
And I love this scene like that whole, the whole.
Lauren was great in this scene. And then the one thing,
and I don't know that this scene would have been
the place to put it in, could have gone somewhere else.
The one resolution I feel like we didn't get was
any kind of acknowledgment from Emily of her role in
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any of the problems with Laura.
Speaker 1 (47:42):
I oh, I think that's I think that's just at
this point, that would be cruel.
Speaker 2 (47:49):
I think we're just the I think that's asking to
be And that's what I said.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
I don't think this scene was the place for that.
But nowhere in the revival. I just mean, for me,
that's an unresolved.
Speaker 2 (48:00):
Thing, correct, because she's not going to be different, Like
it's not like when we see these people again. It's
not like Emily is just suddenly going to be the
perfect mother to me. If there was some sort of
acknowledgment of it, it would just come across trite. The
most we got was in the we get a little
we get little glimpses of that, and then I think
we get a little glimpse of that when she wants
(48:22):
the money to expand the in But Emily's not going
to become a different person.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (48:29):
That's not what I'm asking for. I don't want Emily
to become a different person. I just would have liked
for her to acknowledge that maybe she made lorealized life
difficult once in a while.
Speaker 4 (48:40):
I just don't think she would be the person to.
Speaker 5 (48:41):
Yeah, it was like she's not the person to she'd
throw it under the rug. But I don't think she'd
ever come and be like it was my fault. I
just don't think.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
Again, Okay, I.
Speaker 4 (48:54):
Understand what you actually do. Understand what you're saying. I
think the moment with the phone call did that for me.
I think it kind of like made them at peace.
Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, and she says thank you, right, well, she I
mean she got an apology from Laura I, which is
basically what that whole call was was, you know, in
a kind of an apology from Laura I. Well, Carline
put all that out there, and then Emily said thank you,
which I guess is all we can expect from her.
(49:25):
But I didn't feel like she gave anything back to
Laura I.
Speaker 1 (49:28):
That's all I'm saying. I think the most we could expect,
I think it would even almost be too much, is
if we knew as an audience that she was beginning
to start that conversation or she was starting to open
up a little bit before she even said anything, and
then stopped herself. Right. I think that's I think that
stays true to her character. I do. I do agree
(49:50):
with you though, that it could have been a very
powerful moment had she done it. But it's like, where
is she going to do it? When is she going
to do it, because I think after she loses Richard,
you know, it's hard to you know, call her onto
the carpet and say, apologize for what you've been.
Speaker 2 (50:09):
We got what we could get.
Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, And you know, obviously I'm not the writer, so
I don't know where I would have put it, But
it just would have been nice to, you know, talking
about how this whole episode is about resolutions and closing
the loop.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
And I just would have liked to have just like
throw me a bone on that, like, just you know
a lot, I think.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
But I think that's what Laurel. I did it.
Speaker 4 (50:30):
It it.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Released. She was releasing Emily from any obligation to do
that in the future because of the intimate nature of
the and the length of that story and the emotion
attached to it. And I think that's the reaction gave
was one of pure delight and relief, and she was
completely moved and it was all sins are forgiven. That
(50:58):
that speech was all sins are forgiven on both sides
and now we can start anew You know, it's like
maybe the first moment I've ever seen those two, maybe
before the bad stuff happened when she was fifteen or sixteen,
where there it was a moment of just utter motherly
(51:20):
love and open heartedness toward her daughter. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah, I mean, I guess I just have it different.
Speaker 1 (51:29):
Incredibly and incredibly powerful moment, incredibly and great acting from
from Kelly. The nonverbal stuff is just the hardest, so great. Yeah. Wow,
all right.
Speaker 3 (51:45):
So then we go back to Luke and Laurelai's kitchen
and the scene where Luke is cooking the steak for this.
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Is such an amazing scene. Scott, you are no good
in this.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Yeah, I know, I Scott. I'll let you talk about
the scene because this was probably some of the most
powerful Luke material in the entire series.
Speaker 1 (52:12):
I think the hard the hard part was on Lauren.
You know, the difficult part about like when Lauren would
deliver a speech to me, right, the many long speeches
she would she would deliver to me, What you don't
want to do as a scene partner is screw her up, right,
(52:35):
because you have a little word here and there that
can often She had.
Speaker 2 (52:39):
Those sort of funny comedy relief moments, right, and and she.
Speaker 1 (52:44):
The balance of it and the timing of it is
all so crucial so as not to step on what
I'm saying and keep the momentum going, but also get
in you know, her intention, which is equally as important
as the you know, the chunks of dialogue that I
am saying. And she did it beautifully and it really
made the scene fly. So it's thank you for the
(53:06):
nice comments. It was a tough scene to do, you know,
it's a very emotional thing, but it was easy. It
was much easier because I knew I had a partner
who could knows what the shot is that I'm making
and hits the ball back where I can continue, We
can continue to volley the ball back and forth. And
(53:29):
that's what she's also so good at, which is why
those scenes really pop. So I commend her for being
so astute and so focused and so concentrated, because you
really have to focus harder not to trip the other
actor up when they have volumes of dialogue that they
have to execute, you know it.
Speaker 2 (53:51):
And they have to be in a certain like mindset
or place because it's so emotional and you feel like,
I just thought that scene is so good, and I
actually her little sort of like moments of it where
she's kind of being a little bit funny and like
it's just just so good.
Speaker 1 (54:07):
From thee From a technical point of view, what she
had to deal with was not get distracted by what
I was saying, but feel it because she has to
feel it as the character, but not miss her cues
because she had a bunch of cues in there where
she had to throw in a line or a look
or whatever. Right, And it's hard when somebody's you know,
(54:27):
delivering with with real intensity something coming at you, it's
easy to get caught up in that and get lost
and oh shoot, I forgot my line, so sorry, well
we'll have to do it again. You get that, So
it's able to split focus within how you're focusing and
and staying character, but while still being technical. It's it's
(54:49):
it's incredibly difficult, and she just did such a great job,
such a boat.
Speaker 5 (54:53):
How many times did you guys have to do that?
Speaker 1 (54:55):
Do you remember? It was a few, Yeah, it was
a few. I remember being quite aust after that. But yeah,
but you know Amy as a director, you know, you
know she knows which moments are going to be really
you know, the fireworks moments, and you really want to
nail those. And I don't know that we did it.
(55:19):
I think we did three or four takes, five takes
maybe at the most, because it was going well. I
remember it was going well right from the beginning. But
there's always little adjustments and things like that, you know. Yeah,
so there's some lighting things. There's always lighting issues and
that's to be expected. But it went very very smoothly,
very well that scene. Yeah, yeah, actually fun to do.
Speaker 2 (55:42):
And it's such a nice resolution in that scene, and
I'm so glad, like that's not the end of the show, right,
Like it's like it's so cool that you're like, oh,
what a relief, and then we get to have some fun,
do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (55:56):
Like that was sort of how I know, because at first,
like the first time you watch it, you don't know
what she's gonna say.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
You don't know, like here we go again.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
See I'm out of here, like I'm leaving, Like you
don't know what conclusion she has reached inside her head.
And so then when she says I think we should
get married, then you're like, yes, yeah, so yeah, that
was that was a great scene. And then he's got
he's still got the same engagement ring and he gives
it back to her and I thought that was cute
and he.
Speaker 4 (56:24):
Just had a handy yeah, right there waiting for that moment.
Speaker 1 (56:32):
All right, gang, we're loving Fall so much, we're gonna
split it up into two because we can't stop gab it.
So we're gonna we're gonna bring part one to an
end and stay tuned for part two. Hey, everybody tell again.
(57:12):
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Danielle Romo
Scott Patterson
Tara Soudbaksh
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