You Know I Have Many Talents, OK (S5 E8 "The Party's Over”)

We're coming in HOT (just like Logan) right from the start!  And, Scott is on fire...
 
The debate begins...did the Gilmore's cross the line with the "Yale Alumni" party?
Dean or Logan?  Who would you pick?
Did Dean do the right thing by leaving Rory?
 
Luke and Lorelai...that delicious dinner interrupted by TJ's...and he's in ES KER ROW!
But, should Luke have been happier about his sister moving to Stars Hollow?
 
Zach confronted by Mrs. Kim!
Scott has strong feelings about Zach and he's not holding back.
 
Do you love Logan, hate Logan, love to hate Logan??!!?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I am all in.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
You, I Am all in with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey, everybody's Scott Patterson, I Am all in Podcast, iHeart
Radio one of them productions. Season five, episode eight. The
Party's over and we can't even see him on our
end to get the party started because Amy is having
a little bit of technical difficulty. She's in Los Angeles.
I don't know if you've got the breaking news that

(00:41):
Amy is in Los Angeles in her Los Angeles estate.
She's having to stay in the poolhouse because the estate's
being renovated. But she she's having a little difficulty logging in.
She's she's brought too many computers with her from northern California.

(01:03):
She has fourteen computers in front of version. She's getting confused.
But we're gonna we're going to dig into this episode.
What did everybody think? Oh wait a minute, before we
even get to that, Danielle, you have to synopsize all synopsize.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
So this is season five, episode eight, The Party's Over.
Air date November ninth, two thousand and four. Richard and
Emily throw a Yale alumni party in order to find
a suitable young man for Rory. After learning of her
relationship with Dean. Luke shows off his culinary talent on
a date night with Loralai, but their dinner is ruined

(01:38):
by Stars Hollows Newest Residents TJ and Liz Again TJ
with this episode?

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Right, Oh man, I sad?

Speaker 4 (01:48):
You good?

Speaker 1 (01:49):
What did everybody think? Tara? What'd you think of this episode?

Speaker 4 (01:52):
I loved it?

Speaker 3 (01:52):
It was fun, Danielle, I loved it. I thought it
was fun. I have so many things to dissect, but
I'll wait to go in order. Seems like Amy is
actually just joining us too, which is amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I really liked it too, and I thought it had
a good beat and I could dance to it.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
So I just want to try Luke's dinner. Like I
was hungry after this episode now.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I was actually wanting to try Emily's. I wanted to
be at Emily's dinner table to have that chicken that
she piled onto laurelized plate. They gave her about four pieces. Yeah.
I just thought it was a terrific episode, hysterically funny.
I was laughing a lot through this, I mean good
belly laughs throughout the whole thing. And this I think

(02:42):
this really flexed its comedy muscles more than anything, and
still propelled the drama forward. There was there was drama, rama,
but it was funny and it was a fun ride.
Actually one of my favorite episodes. It really again, and
I know I keep repeating mysel self, but this seems
to keep raising the bar on these episodes in terms

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of the entertainment value because.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
It was and anyone hear me, yes, yes, we.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Can hear you from your massive SANEMONI.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Because this is the best episode ever.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Johnny Depp is in the house, Johnny, how are you?

Speaker 5 (03:21):
Did you guys? Miss me? Did you guys? Miss me?

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yes? Terribly. Anyway, let's get back to it. Yeah, we'll
all need therapy to fill that void that you left.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
So much to discuss. We're going to go bit by bit.
Are you with the Gilmours or against the Gilmours Richard
and Emily.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
I'm with them. I'm with them.

Speaker 5 (03:49):
They knew, they knew better. That's okay.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
You're with them as in you agree with what they did.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
How many people in this world would give their left
arm to be in Rory's position, with grandparents like that,
who care that much, who want to give her the world?

Speaker 5 (04:13):
Well?

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Right, I think.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
I agree in the sense of, like, that's amazing. What
I hate about it is they know she has a boyfriend.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Yeah, that's like I was going to say.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
If that was removed from it, I'd be like, this
is still really old school and kind of like slightly
cringe that they're throwing a party to like help Rory
find a boy that is of a certain caliber. But
it would have been a little bit better if she
was at least single.

Speaker 4 (04:43):
But yeah, and it's after they knew that she was
back with Dean, so it's kind of like, let's get
her away from Dean and find her someone new.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Although I'm not not at Rory getting away from Dean, like, yes, hey, but.

Speaker 4 (04:56):
I meant the principal of it exactly.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
As grandparents, right, And you have to give the older.
Older people in our society have the ability to see
the future better than anybody. They can predict the future
better than anybody. So Richard and Emily have seen this
movie before in their own family with Laurelin, they've seen

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it with other kids. They know how things work. They
are mature, they are wise, and they are providing, in
my opinion, the necessary guidance to a girl who they
feel is under the tuttlage of somebody who they do
not trust.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
So here you want to step.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
In and fill the void and provide some really solid
guidance and give her a very clear choice. She can
choose to take it or not. But they want to
provide the choice.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yes, So here's the interesting rub of it. Although I
don't love that they sort of snakily did this. Right, Oh,
we're having Yale alumni over and really it's just all
eligible bachelor's college age.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
And it was a tiara like necessary.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
We'll get into that.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
We'll get into that point.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
But in the sense that they were right, like she
was having once Logan was around and kind of acclimated
her to the group, she was having a great time.
She totally forgot about Dean. She walks outside and like,
Dean dumpster right there. And you know, we'll get to
the debate about Logan within this.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
I think that moment for him was the light bulb moment. Uhha, yeah, yeah,
we do not belong together.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
And it's finally on his terms, Like every time it's
been on Rory's terms of like she's been interested in
someone else this or that, and it's finally he's like
I'm done.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I correct, But also I don't think it was him
being like I'm over you, I'm done and walking away.
I think it was our visions for what our life
should be like and will be like and what we
wanted to be like are not aligned.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Yeah, I agree, And.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
I think it was actually kind of mature of him
in a weird way to be like, I recognize what's happening,
I'm gonna He has so self respect.

Speaker 5 (07:18):
I think he had self respect going you're here with
all these guys, I don't what am I doing here?
And he was right, what was he doing there? Any
And he just took himself out of the race. He
grew a pair at the end and said what am
I doing here? I'm not doing this, because I actually
think it would have been worse if if he took

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her out, like after she's been like at this party
that he's not invited to with all these guys. Clearly
she's having the time of her life, she's tipsy. He's
growing a pair by being like, I'm out. This isn't
this isn't good.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, because in the past what we saw was him
getting a physical altercation with Jess. You know, they punched
each other, Like he could have really easily been like,
what are you guys doing with my girl?

Speaker 5 (08:03):
You know?

Speaker 3 (08:03):
And he was just like, dude, this is.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Telling you Rory is a wrecking ball. She's a wrecking ball.
She she she belongs with the logan, she belongs in
that world. Her grandparents know it. Her mother's trying to
fight it. I do agree the grandparents should have consulted
laural I. They had to go through the proper protocols,
but they knew what laural I would say, they knew.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
What about consulting Rory?

Speaker 4 (08:30):
Yeah, they did.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
They called her an invite. They called her and they
invited her to the party. Alumni, Hey, figure it out, Rory,
what do you think this is?

Speaker 4 (08:40):
I would I wouldn't have thought it would be like
a bachelor bachelor party.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Like she's invited to a party, she's dripping in diamonds
and they're presenting her. This is so what I think
she was support We feel sorry for Rory.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
No, no, no, I mean I think I think she
also respects did her grandparents in that, Like she she
was doing everything that they asked, like she was talking
to everyone. But I think it's just the principle of
that like they knew that she's with Dean, and so
it's kind of like they're focing her to break up.

Speaker 1 (09:13):
Dean had a shot he got you know, it's not
happening for Dean. I mean, yeah, go go to college,
Go get a life. She did everything she could for
you, you know, and you did everything and you loved her
and it was pure and it just didn't work out.
And yet just because you love each other doesn't mean
you're going to end up together. The grandparents realizes why
doesn't Laurel.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
I well, and it hasn't been unicorns and rainbows for
Dean and Rory of late. So I think this is
the straw that broke the camel's back. Yeah. Wait, I
wanted to ask you when you said Rory is a
wrecking ball? Is that a compliment or a dig? Because
I could take it both ways.

Speaker 1 (09:51):
I don't think it's an intentional wrecking ball. I think
it's a young girl, a young woman, you know, navigating
through her first relationships. And these relationships have a very
minor chance of working out long term. They're just sort
of you know, that's the education relationships. This is how

(10:11):
you learn what's right for you and what's wrong and
to function within a relationship, and they're all great, and
Dean's great on you know, in on his own terms.
It just doesn't It's it's like, how much punishment is
this guy going to take before he just finally he
realizes it and goes away. Yeah. Yeah, but he knew

(10:33):
it was coming anyway. He knew it was coming when
he can't have an intelligent conversation with Rory about the
article she wrote. She was wanting notes, specifics he couldn't
give them.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
I agree with so right there.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
That that relationship doesn't have a chance. Don't have a chance.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
I mean, Dean's not going to be the one. It's
definitely a Logan or even a Jess could have a
conversation with her about that article. It's just something that
Dean was never interested in anyway. And I think it
upsets her too that he's, like, you know, she wanted
It's kind of like, you know, when you're excited about
something and you want to tell your friend and you
want them to be excited with you. She wanted that,

(11:10):
and he didn't really give her anything.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
He couldn't.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, I don't know. He did the best he could,
you know, That's what I was.

Speaker 5 (11:20):
I was trying to find those.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Words he could. He did really well, he got married.
He you know, he cheated on his wife with her.
I mean, they love each other obviously, but it's like
it's it's not working out. It's just a mess. Thinks
a mess. It's a checkered past, it's a bad history
they have.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
So do you think he should have stayed with Lindsay?
Like forget Rory. Pretend he never cheated on Lindsay with
Rory and Rory never put herself back in the option,
Like what what would it right? Justice for Lindsay?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Or how you gonna how are you going to rehabilitate
a relationship when you're so young after something like that?

Speaker 5 (12:04):
But pretend that never happens.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
It's not like it's twenty thirty years into a relationship.

Speaker 3 (12:09):
Yeah, I think if it didn't happen and we're just
you know, they're they're married, he would have been just fine.
Like yeah, it's because of Rory, you know, like that's
the main thing, Like she's the reason why that happened.

Speaker 5 (12:22):
Although he was playing video games and wasn't hanging out
with her and that had nothing to do with Rory
I think it would have been just as enjoyable to watch,
like get rid of Dean two weeks ago and have
Rory lean in to this party, essentially because the party
was enjoyable to watch and Logan rolling in and arm

(12:42):
around the whole thing, like I kind of forgot about
Dean and wanted him to sort of not show up.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Yeah, it would have been totally different vibe if they
had broken up because they couldn't connect, like two weeks ago,
Like we could have watched her have some fun.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
I totally agree, Yeah, let her have some fun. I
was working hard. Why not just Dean, you know, showing
up looking through a window seeing that? Why why do
we need this? Like I'm not right for you? It
was just too much?

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Am I the only one I liked it? I really
liked it. I liked that he showed up at the
Gilmour's house and Rory comes out of the house like, oh,
it's eight forty five and fifteen minutes later.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
Wait, wait a minute, wait a minute, let's just re
let's rewind the tape. Here, Gang, Logan and all of
them are in Richard's the poolhouse getting plastered, right, Yeah,
he's plastered.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
I kind of wanted to be there.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
I was like, I did too, I did too.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
It looks like they're having a grand time.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
And then they decide that Rory, okay, this idea from Logan,
the master manipulator, saying, hey, well we got to meet
this guy, let's just go on out and see what's
going on. And I and you just know like that's
gonna be a disaster. Who's gonna deal with that? Why did?
And so my question you guys is, would if you

(14:05):
were in Rory's position, would you have allowed that?

Speaker 3 (14:08):
No?

Speaker 6 (14:09):
Absolutely not. It wasulous. How did that even happen? How
did she trapes out of that house, you know, with
a gaggle of young wealthy men behind her. It's just
sort of cockily staring.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
I want to know if you were Dean in that
situation and Rory comes out of a house tipsy with
ten rich ass dudes with her, You're in your pickup truck,
not invited. Also not invited.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
We would done at left too.

Speaker 5 (14:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
I think I know why I like this. I think
I know why I like the Dean moment. And we'll
get to the Lorelei moment at the end later. But
I feel like in this Episod said, we see two
people that are acknowledging that Rory is changing, and I
liked having both of them someone a boy from her

(15:08):
past and her mom two quote unquote pillars in her life.
I acknowledge that she's moving on from who they are.
I just liked it. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (15:20):
You know what the ninja you know what the ninja
Dean move would have been. Here's the here's the move. Okay,
and this this is what really he should have done right,
what a should have cut it right. We're getting into
that zone now. Hey, Roy, looks like the parties here.
Let's just stay here. I don't want to take you
away from this. Invite me in. I'd love to meet

(15:44):
your grandparents. Boom, that's the move. That's what a cool
guy would have done. And then they're in the poolhouse
with Dean. He's getting a little loaded. Boom, boom. You know,
maybe we get some fisticuffs with you know whoever, who's
the Finn guy, Finn.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Dean hunch Jess So, but I do think Scott you're
onto something. If Dean was the guy he would have,
he would have been like, look, you have a great
time here, I'll just come in, let's hang, and then
he would have been able to go like head off.
T Is that what they say, Dean?

Speaker 3 (16:20):
But I'm calling like a red flag because if Dean
went walked into that party, he would not be throwing
back a beer.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Or no invited in. After she comes out with those guys,
and he stands the situation and instead of going all like,
you know, tiny little nuts, he he he goes, uh.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
All right, tiny a little mutch.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
You know, and Steady and Steady goes, all right, you
know you want to deal with these bull balls. Let's go.
Let's go in the party. I'll show you how. I'll
show you how real dude parties. Okay, right, not that guy.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
He's not the guy.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Not that guy.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Here's my question to begin. If Logan the like king
of the popular guys like he is the head. So
we start in the yard of the pool house. Each
looked beautiful with the lights, which Emily being mad was hilarious.
So I mean, how funny that they wanted to eat
so bad those skewers. Like Emily comes out and they

(17:25):
quickly took the skewers like we know, she's gonna blow
her lid with these so I thought, great beginning. I
laughed at the skewers. I laughed at the bit that
it's appetizers. Then they're full they can't eat, And then
we do get that she's talking to the boy and
she says it's Dean.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
I actually in the most important part, she goes up
to Richard and says we need to talk. Yes, you know,
like because now you can see them coming back to
being on the same team.

Speaker 5 (17:55):
And I love the pool house. I'm obsessed with the Poolhouse.
So we then go to the diner and we have
Liz and we realize that she's moving to Star's Hollow
and how she has enough money to have its like
second home or but apparently she's gotten dough. Here's what
I'm wondering though. Do you think she got money when

(18:20):
you when you Luke's father died, Obviously Luke's dad had money,
so maybe you took over the diner and she got
some sort of a I don't know, a couple hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I can't imagine holmes are expensive there anyway.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
Right, So I don't know, but great fodder for us
that she's she's moved to Stars Hollow.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
I don't know it made me feel a little uncomfortable
that Luke was, you know, so demonstrably against this, and
that's a sister, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
I don't blame him though he's had such a toxic
relationship with his sister in the past. Right now, it's
great to that they won't it wasn't you know. He
was hesitant for her to come back into his life
to begin with, and now she's like coming back.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
I don't know the show. You know, it's a family show.
It's a family value show, and that's not a family
value that you want to promote, right, I mean, it's
like a brother rejecting his sister. Stay the heck away
from me. You're bad news, You're a lost cause I
don't want you in my town. I don't want to deal.
I mean, it's like, what.

Speaker 5 (19:30):
Not so aggressive? But what about a daughter rejecting her parents?
I mean, this show's got some conflict.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that's the basis of
the whole show, right, It's like, Luke's relationship with his
sister is not the basis of the show. It's not
the foundation of the show that is. So you accept
that because that's the start. That's the jumping off point
of the show.

Speaker 5 (19:56):
He wasn't so negative, Oh I thought he was.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It was uncomfortable for me to watch. I feel like
he was.

Speaker 5 (20:03):
Sort of like are you sure, because.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
More like he just dreaded her being around.

Speaker 5 (20:09):
But is there a chance that he was being like,
are you sure you want to do this, like put
all this money into this thing when you don't even
want to be here.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
It wasn't out of concern. It was out of his
selfish need to be away from his sister for some reason,
and we kind of know the reasons. But again, it
flies in the face of what the show is trying
to represent. Right, So it's like, what kind of conflict
is this? Like fake, fakey fake conflict they're trying to
generate for the sake of having conflict.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
You know, well, they do it because we get the
brilliance of TJ coming over and ruining the dates. So
to me, I think the writers are like, let's write
this little thing in that their move get him back in.
I could look at it as you were sort of
being a decent big brother without you don't have any
like softness about it, but you're just like, are you sure?

(20:58):
This is what you want.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
If he was a decent big brother about it, he
would have he would have helped them find a house.

Speaker 5 (21:07):
Hmmm, what's a MOUNTI hat?

Speaker 1 (21:11):
It's a Canadian Mounted Police officer that rides a horse,
you know, the big Oh, it's like a sombrero almost.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
You have them. Yeah, all right, So we learned that
Luke is a fabulous cook, and I got kind of
excited about that date. I'm not gonna lie like that
was a good sort of teaser where I'm like, hmm,
it's gonna be good. So Richard and Emily call Rory.
Did you especially Scott and Danielle did you know did

(21:41):
you know that?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah? Just the fact that they were so happy being
next to each other in the same room, Like, whatever
is going to happen on this call is not going to.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Be good, Like the first thing they agreed on and alone, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
They're scheming something.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah, Scott, did you think that too, that you're like,
what are they up to?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Yeah? But it's always good. It's nothing bad. And they're together,
they're you know, you're they're coming together. They're being a
couple again, which is good. That's a positive. They're helping
their granddaughter. They're you know, that's good debate.

Speaker 5 (22:17):
It's debatable. I love it, don't get me wrong, I
love it, but it is debatable.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
There is a point now with Laurel, is that anything
they do say, you know, it's going to trigger Laurel
I in a in a in a way that she's
going to pick up the phone and start screaming at people.
I mean, it's getting it's getting to be the same
old hat and it's like, get over it. You know,
they're they're doing the best they can for your daughter.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Well, but the same way, because he was right that
they were scheme in against you.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
So what they should, Oh.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
You are very team Richard and Emily where I love
them with a with a arms leg.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
It's who they are. I accept them. That's who they are.
But they don't try that hard with lor They don't
care about Lourle. I they've given up, they're but they're
not giving up on Rory. They even said it, said,
well you're a lost cause they find their own daughter
to be pathetic. They do, and they just tolerate her.

(23:21):
They don't they don't really respect her.

Speaker 5 (23:24):
I wouldn't use them. I don't think they think she's
put that.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Of course they do. They constantly ignore her. They mock her.
Put yourself in Emily and Richard shoes. Put yourself in
their shoes. Look at it from their point of view.
But these worlds are colliding, and that's what all this
conflict is about. But put yourself in Richard and Emily's shoes.
They've got an agenda. It's as legitimate as anything on
the TV show.

Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, I think with if I were to put myself
in their shoes. They look at Laura Lai saying she's
she's a wild horse. She's gonna do whatever she wants
when she wants. We can't. We have no influence over
her versus Rory is showing signs that she wants to
be a Gilmore going to Yale, you know, oh as

(24:09):
friends with the popular guy, a hunts Burger. You know,
like they're seeing these little clues that like she can
be who they are, and I think they feel like
they can mold her to that and get her there.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
Both correct. I just don't think they think she's pathetic.
I think they just think she's out of their control.
And I think on some level they actually admire her,
but they cannot control Listen.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
They are fighting for their Gilmore name, they are fighting
for their bloodline, they are fighting for the future because
Rory is their last best hope. She's their only grandchild one.
They have one grandchild. They had one daughter. They screwed

(24:57):
that up, okay, or it got screwed up. They have
one granddaughter to carry on the legacy of the Gilmore's
and all that tradition and all of that money and
all of that privilege. You think they're not going to
try their damnedest to keep Rory in the fold. They've
got her in the Fall, they got her in Yale.

(25:18):
They're paying for it. They're trying to push Laurel aside.
They don't take her seriously. They're little pockets of pride
they show.

Speaker 5 (25:27):
I think you're right. I also think that Rory, they
can sense that she likes their world. She's not opposed
to it and rebellious about it as Morel I was.
You know, probably through all her teen years. They can
see that Rory's into it. She's at Yale, she's you know,

(25:48):
so there is that element. I don't know, there's a
lot of what you're saying that actually does ring true
to me. I just think I think it would be
their dream if they could control Laurai and suddenly she's dating,
you know, some guy they love. I think that they
would love that, but they just know it's so unlikely.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
They're putting they're putting their focus on somebody that can
mold yeah, chances.

Speaker 3 (26:18):
I think they have to like reframe how they influenced
Laurli like Richard did last episode. Let's you know, franchise
Luke's Let's you know, do that? Like that is how
I think their strategy is with her now versus Rory.
They can formulate it, you know, they like, here are
the eligible men for you to date, Now pick one?

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Because why why do they not have a right to
manipulate their own destiny? Why why don't they have a
right to have pleasant family Christmases and Thanksgivings and and
you know, why do they have to concede the the

(27:00):
ground to laurel I When she's going to invite in
all manner of people who Emily and Richard considered to
be you know, unscrubbed, the unwashed, right, they don't want
to spend time with those people. They don't want to
spend time with Luke. Do they want to really spend
quality time with Luke. No, they're trying to get Luke

(27:20):
in shape so that he's acceptable at the country club,
so he's not an embarrassment to the family, and then
maybe spend a Christmas or two with him because Rory's
going to be there with her, you know, upwardly mobile
or privileged boyfriend or fiance.

Speaker 5 (27:36):
Selfish.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Of course, it's selfish. Why shouldn't it be selfish. They've
lived their entire lives this way. That is the patriarch,
and that is the patriarch, and this is how dynasties work,
and they want what they want.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
The element that is missing and I like Richard and Emily,
but the element that's missing is we're proud of you
no matter what you do. We're proud of you if
you do something you love. We want you to love
who you love. We want you to find the person
that's best for you instead of best for them. And
that's kind of my thing is like Scott, you would

(28:08):
never be like them. If your kid wants to have
some career, you would support it. If he brings home
some love of his life, you'll support it. So I
think that's where they are a little They just don't
let their kids be them and their grandkid. They're trying
to manipulate and mold in control.

Speaker 1 (28:30):
They don't understand larel I, You're right, they don't get it,
and they don't understand how Emily probably doesn't understand how
Loralai came out of her body. I mean, it happens
with certain children and their parents. It's like it's not
it doesn't click. It can happen, and it's sad.

Speaker 5 (28:53):
You think you have a very fair analysis of Richard
and Emily. I just think I.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
Have a question before you move on from that. Does
anybody find it like weird that when Emily first met Luke,
like at the hospital, she was so like into him
doesn't matter.

Speaker 5 (29:14):
I thought she had a kind of radar up like
doesn't but.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
She was, but she was like super into him.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
She's like suitable, he's unsuitable for the change.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
I think at the hospital it was like she she
hadn't seen Loralai with a guy before, so maybe it
was like, oh, like you know, this is this is
something and he's coming to the hospital. But then she
didn't think it would last this long.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
I think Tar is right, like she was maybe just
happy that she was with some dude.

Speaker 4 (29:47):
Yeah, I don't think I don't think it was because
it was Luke. I think it was just because it
was a guy.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
Okay, But then why did that change? Like why is
she not happy that she's with the dude?

Speaker 5 (29:56):
Well, because she doesn't want him with a guy that
owns a diner, drives a truck.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
But then why was that she knew she knew who
he was.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
She called him the iceman, right, but she didn't know
who he was.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
Yeah, but now he's still around now, it's like, right,
it's like four years later. I mean, when did that?
When did the Richard thing happen? When did the hospital
thing happen? Was that the season one? Season one? So
now here we are five four years later, five years later,
he's still around. Now now they're together. It's like, oh boy,
hit the panic button. You know, we knew, we knew,
Laurel I was going to go off the rails.

Speaker 5 (30:33):
And there's so much to discuss with because I really
want to spend time on the date and the party,
So quickly, let's talk about Lane and Zach and missus
Kim and the is it Lane's cousin who really change students? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:52):
It was so cringe. Every scene I saw that, I
literally was like, I need this to go away.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Wait which one I thought? Missus? Him attacking Zach at
the newsstand was classic?

Speaker 4 (31:02):
That was that was funny.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
I'm talking about then.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
That was at her best. I mean, just rocking.

Speaker 4 (31:11):
She does annoy me.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
She smoked Zach right there, but it wasn't how great
was Todd Low like waving his arms like what you know?
She's just like what.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
I liked about Zach is I'm home and told Lane
what happened. He didn't like hold it in and act
like it didn't happen. He was like, Lane, your mom
is crazy.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
And that was the funniest scene. That was hysterical.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Who annoys you? The exchange students.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I'm getting flamed by your mom. She's saying, dogs, you're
gonna eat my guts. That's not rock and roll. Man.
I'm the guy, like you know, I'm the back door guy,
jump out the window guy. I'm not that guy you
know with the girl with a mom yelling at him.

Speaker 5 (31:53):
What is that funny? Is he would weel served to
be more like that? That? Like I am who I am?
I am good with it. I like who I am
I'm totally confident I'm not taking this crazy lady yelling
at me like.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
It's likech you woke up and it's like what am
I doing? What I'm living with this girl and her
mother's a little bit thickets. She's like screaming at me.
He's like, what is happening?

Speaker 5 (32:24):
So no, indeed, Plane's trying to do a solid for
the exchange student and give her fries and the chili
fry and then.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
She mat after you guys, I'm sorry all those scenes
were such cringe.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
I you know, I kind of agree. I kind of agree.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
I could have definitely done without those scenes.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Like that whole storyline, the whole storyline.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, yeah, it was. It was what was it about that?

Speaker 5 (32:52):
That was?

Speaker 3 (32:52):
So it was incredibly racist, but beyond that, beyond that,
it was just really bad.

Speaker 1 (33:01):
So saying it's like, boy, is this stereotypical?

Speaker 5 (33:06):
Oh god?

Speaker 1 (33:07):
This like you know what, Danielle, that's you kind of
nailed it there.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
I've noticed this in the scene when missus Kim is
just railing on a mirror at the Newsstam is so
stressed in the back like an act because you see
Zach come up and he's with a mirror and he
wonders where is magazine that he hasn't finished reading it,
and then missus Kim just comes up crazy and you're

(33:43):
looking at a mirror in the background, and he is
like when background actors act like they're not hearing something
one feet from them, one from a mirror, amazing.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
He is like, you know what this this these last
two episodes maybe realized, did not take advantage of Zach
the character, and they did not take advantage of Todd
Lowe's ability. Yeah, create that character, because that's a really
fun character and you just have to wind him up
and let him go inside that show, and he could
have been a much bigger part of that show and

(34:17):
it would have really paid off. That would have paid
off as much as a Michelle or a Sean Gun
or that that character had such potential to grow.

Speaker 5 (34:27):
Well just wait, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
I will. I'm optimistic. But it's like we're in season
five already and we're just getting to know Zach a
little bit. Come on, I mean, there's so much more there.

Speaker 5 (34:38):
They really had hopes that Adam Brody was going to
be long for the Gilmour world, but I digress.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yeah, but wasn't wasn't Todd Low with the show from
the beginning.

Speaker 5 (34:48):
Is when the band formed. He came in when when
the band formed, just shortly after Adam Brody and.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
That was it was still season one, no season two,
I think, so yeah, okay, but still, I mean he's
given gold Man. It's it's funny stuff. He's funny. That's
such a funny character.

Speaker 5 (35:07):
They interviewed him because I want to hear what his
real voice is, and like when he's.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Watch his voice being exactly like Zach's.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
He's just like, hey, guys, it's not it's not like
it's it's you know, he's doing he's playing characters. He's
character actor is a good one. So he's putting on
a little bit of stuff. It's a it's it's a
little more maybe exaggerated or pulled back version of himself,
but it's working beautifully.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
Yeah, it's so good.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
It's so good. Oh, it's so funny.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
I'm only being annoying to keep us on tracks. So
we go to the date which we touched on a
little bit at Doci's, which was speaking of cringe.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Right, really cringe.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
It was like on like on like they did have
a weird candle and some weird flockers. Did you guys
hear when you want some chip pieces? Because it's like
the crumbly old chip bag. It's all the like yesterday
is junk. You're right when you analyze him not being
able to have a response to the article, I really

(36:18):
want to hear about that a little bit. It was
that was not great.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
I think he even read the article.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
I do, but I just think it's all sort of
not his world. Not his world.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Yeah, I mean he said it was. He's like I
thought it was great, but he wasn't able to like
actually know what she needed, Like she needed somebody to
like analyze the themes and the grammar.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
And you know, give her like yeah, give her, yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
Construct the criticism all that stuff. And he was just like,
looks good, babe, you know that.

Speaker 5 (36:52):
It was good, Like you tell your seven year old
they're they're being mosaics really good, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I can only imagine.

Speaker 5 (37:07):
I don't have a problem with any of it, except
for they aren't connected in this sort of way anymore.
They're not bonded, they're not vibing. I mean, look, I
have to say I'm team Jets way more than Team Dean,
because I do think Jess really was up to her level. Next,

(37:28):
I want to quickly review the menu of Luke and
laurelized date that I wanted to be on so badly.
I wanted to be on it so bad including TJ
showing up. So listen to what faith lamb and artichoke
stew hennay with pesto, potatoes, tomatoes with bread crumbs, goat

(37:53):
cheese on the tomatoes with bread crumbs, maybe roasted garlic
with rosemary, ficasha Amorado cookies with the coffee and the
ricotta cheesecakes. Literally are you kidding me? And I looked
to make sure the plate had those things on it,
and it sure as bleep did.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Like WOWSA what a goat like like Luke is such
a stud? Like that is legit?

Speaker 5 (38:25):
Yeah, and this is Look, Luke's apartment is not that
much better than the stock room at Doses. I'm not
gonna lie with me, do you want? I wanted to
be there because they are so comfortable with each other
and up to each other's level, you know, because he
doesn't he doesn't like when he's like stir and she's

(38:48):
a I can't sir, he doesn't like baby her. He's
like stir, like you can figure this out. You know,
they're so on the same level.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah, there's a heart as Yeah, she's the same way.
They're both you know, they're both uh tough people. I
guess I don't know, but yeah, but listen, that scene
really took off for me. As soon as TJ comes in.
I'm sorry, he's a he's a scrow. Have you ever

(39:17):
seen a guest star come on and just own the
set like that?

Speaker 3 (39:24):
I cannot take my eyes off.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
You literally cannot take your and and that's when that show.
That scene turned that show into a sitcom, because that
was a sitcom performance.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
You know, there's some critics television critics of which we
are not, that did not like that character, and I
was like, are you crazy, He's the best.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
It's because it changes the tone of the show so
much because he just takes it over. I mean, listen,
you got a day Lauise coming into the scene. It's like,
look out, man, you know, everybody's going to get white doubt.
That is so much talent and history walking into that apartment,
and it's, in my opinion, exactly what that show needs.

(40:10):
That's exactly what that show needs. And that's and that's
what the critics used to say too, is like, this
show can't decide whether it's a drama of comedy or drama.
Can't It's like, why does it happen? Why do you
have to categorize it? I agree, why why can't you?
Just because it all works? I mean, the drama enhances
the comedy vice versa. Right, do you think it?

Speaker 5 (40:31):
Said Escaro on the page.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Yeah, oh I thought he just did it.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
I was like, esc Esca, well, is he gonna come
on and talk to us? Because these these are the
burning questions, these are questions, Oh.

Speaker 5 (40:47):
Keep trying, he does. That's why we had David because
he doesn't Stephanie. But did you guys notice so Lorli
and Lucar at the apartment and they're getting sort of
the dinner, so go and this sweet way that Lauren
slash Loralai touches your neck. The physical gestures, I think

(41:10):
is also what draws me into their relationship.

Speaker 1 (41:13):
It's the little details. Yeah, it's a behavior. It's all behavior.
It's not the words, it's the behavior. You find the behavior, Yes.

Speaker 5 (41:22):
That's yeah, that's the gold athlete. So Okay. So TJ
comes in and Luke said, you gotta go, man, you
gotta go.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
Man. See, that's what I love so much about being
in those scenes because I've done several of those scenes
with Lauren where she comes in like a house on
fire and it's just monologue after monologue and you've got
a little line here and there, and you got to
you know, you can't, you can't. Your timing has to
be perfect or else you're gonna throw them off because

(41:56):
they've just got line after line after line, another chunk,
another chunk, now chunk, and they've they've they're saying it
all together. But you have to find just a tiny
little moment where you can slip in your line or
your word or you're gest your whatever. That's the hard
part about it. So I was really watching that scene
seeing if I was screwing him up at all. But

(42:18):
I think I supported him the way I wanted to support.

Speaker 5 (42:22):
Him, both of them. And how about the fact that
and we're sort of skipping, but we'll go back. There's
a portion where you two are this scene, right, Luke
and Lorelei are the scene and TJ and l are
fighting in the bathroom and we can hear them, but
it's not too much. I mean, you know what's happening,
and you two are conversing. I mean, I thought the

(42:43):
whole date from start to finish was amazing. Calling. She's
calling while you're talking to TJ. And somehow that we're
following it all.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
I meant, but how do you not I mean TJ
walks into a him, how do you not just light up?
I mean, it's just so great. He's weeping in the background.
I mean, it's just so bizarrely funny. It's surreal. I mean,
it's absurd. The whole thing's absurd. And that's what's so
great about this show.

Speaker 5 (43:14):
Yeah, I almost have myself together not to start over.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
That's the best the show is. That's s Gilmore Girls
right there at its best. When you've got and that's
what Amy and Dan do. They build up these very tender,
heartfelt moments, and then they'll throw a seawn gun, naked
sewn gun in there for the heck of it. And
then they'll throw a TJ in there.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Wild.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
That's wonderful, wonderful stuff.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
Go to the party. Now, what did you all think
when suddenly Emily takes Rory upstairs? To the hairdresser and
then we're putting diamonds on her? What I really want
to know what? Danielle and Scott were like.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Go ahead, daniel I'm like, I liked the diamonds.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
I was like, that's it's fun. That's fun for you know,
the Yale alumni. Mornie and when you put on the tiara,
was like, this is not an alumni party. What is happening?
The tiara just needed to.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
So why the tiara? It's like, I can't really imagine
like a twenty which is probably what twenty now twenty
year old girl wants to wear that as she's like
trying to find an eligible batch.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Yeah, it would have been like Grandma, sorry, are you.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Diamonds?

Speaker 5 (44:29):
You know?

Speaker 1 (44:30):
But that was that was a great line Emily had.
He says, you know, is that a diamond necklace? He said, yeah,
it's not doing anybody any good sitting in its box.
She had a point put it on?

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Did you guys, Richard say to Emily you did a
fine job. Sure, this was all playing.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Good, good good.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
That's like the highest compliment you can give Emily.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
So then how quickly Danielle and.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Scott one, so why wait a minute, Hang on, why
isn't it that scene as an act of love toward
their granddaughter. Why are we using these words manipulative, deceptive,
it's over it's over bearing. Why isn't it just like
they are loving that girl. They are giving all of
this pent up love that they wanted to give their

(45:23):
own daughter and missed out on the opportunity. These are
still two human beings. They're fighting for the relationship and
they are now they're joined, they are unifyed in loving
their granddaughter to this extent, opening up the doors for her,
like this should be your future. And sure that guys
were you know, of course, you know the guys were

(45:44):
going to be kind of you know, douche and you
just knew it, right right.

Speaker 5 (45:49):
I agree with you that you are right. It is
actually really cool what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (45:53):
I think.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
So they didn't tell her what they're doing. Like my so,
my niece's grandmother is saying to my niece, you're gonna
be in the debutante ball. We're gonna have this party
for you. You're gonna have this beautiful dress, we're gonna
have this dinner, blah blah blah. They're telling my names.

(46:15):
So the only thing that Richard and Emily didn't do
right and say to Rory, we want you, We wanted
you to come over. We're gonna have this beautiful party.
We're gonna dress you up, and we're gonna introduce you
to all these boys. I mean, Emily would have been
smarter she invited a couple of girls. But whatever, they're
just not telling her what they're doing because.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
She's gonna blab it to her mom and then her
mom's gonna make make an excuse as to why she
can't go.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Do you think it would have been better if she
did invite some girls and I would.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Have been like less no, because they didn't want a competition.

Speaker 5 (46:50):
I think it would have been less captain obvious though.
And you know, but how fun if you're a twenty
year old and you're at a party with all these
fancy parents and all these boys that are just only
giving you attention.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
I tell you it's a good situation for a twenty
year old person. Good situation, you know. I'll tell you.
Would you rather? Okay? So would you? Danielle Tara Amy
answer me this question honestly, please, not that you've never
been anything but honest with me. When I'm grilling you,

(47:26):
which is frequent, by the way, and you have no
idea once we're off the air. I'm just grilling these
people all the time. Danielle, Yes, would you rather have
grandparents like that or not?

Speaker 3 (47:39):
I'd rather not? Why too much pressure?

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (47:46):
I want my grandma and Grandfa to love me and
take me to dinner and like think everything I do
is awesome.

Speaker 1 (47:53):
So it was a confused who's who got her whole
life ahead of you. Don't want to be bathed in
diamonds and presented to the to the elite of the world.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
I just think that the pressure is too much. I
just want grandparents to love me for who I am.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Tara.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Honestly, I think there are certain aspects Tara.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
No Tara Tiara.

Speaker 4 (48:15):
I probably did when I was five. But there are
certain aspects of Emily and Richard that I like and
the way they treat Rory. But for this situation, and
I would not want no.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
I would not want to be two debutante knows Amy.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Amy is the debutante.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
I know she is, so the pressure's on here.

Speaker 5 (48:38):
Totally fine with it. I'm totally fine with all of it.
I like it. I think it's there's tradition, there's you know,
there's there's love there. The only difference is that my
grandparents told me what they were doing, and my parents
like it was never like I wasn't manipulated into it.
It wasn't done sneakily. And if I would have said,

(48:59):
like no, I don't want to go out with that boy,
I mean you know I had to. My grandpa would
ask me favors like oh so and so grandsons in town,
can you go out with them? And it was always
like horrendous, But I did it because it was like
my call me too, but he never they didn't trick
me into it.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
But did you have a mother like Laurlai? And did
your mother have a bad relationship with their parents? It's
not you know, that's a little personal.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Sorry, no, no, no, please, you can ask me anything.
I've nothing to had. My mom is not like Laurai,
but she did have a bit of She didn't have
the best relationship with her parents versus my dad and
his parents, and they were the fancy side, so like
my grandparents were very fancy on my dad's side, and
I was a den and all those things. My parents

(49:46):
were super into it. They loved it. And part of
the reason I did it is my dad wanted to
My parents wanted me to do it. So it's like fine,
It's not like horrible. It's like a fun party. You
get Tiffany boxes with weird heart jewelry you're never gonna
wear again, and some frames that you have to like polish,

(50:07):
which you're like, who wants a frame that you have
to polish? Well?

Speaker 4 (50:10):
I have a question, though, is it different if you
if your parents want you to do it for your grandparents?
Because Laurel I doesn't want Rory to do it for
her grandparents, but you said your dad wanted you to
do it, so you want to make your dad happy.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
To make your dad happy, And what's wrong with your
grandparents happy?

Speaker 4 (50:32):
There's nothing wrong with no, No, there's nothing wrong with it.
I'm just saying, in the situation of Rory, Laurel I
is not happy with it, so I feel like she's
stuck in the middle.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
Laurela is not happy with anything regarding her parents. We
know what Laurela is going to react.

Speaker 5 (50:48):
Like, I get what Tara's saying in that she has
to essentially choose. She can't make them both happy because
her mom doesn't like this life her grandparents do, and
Rory sort of getting pulled in both directions because I
think she likes both. I likes both really interesting. That's
a great point that she's conflicted because but look, so.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Wait a minute, so wait a minute, So so Rory's
out of the house now she's in college. Was she
a sophomore now at this point? Yeah, she's a sophomore.
She's her own woman. She can make her own decisions.
She doesn't have to consult with mommy anymore.

Speaker 5 (51:27):
Well Ry does, though, so she goes why why.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
Why would why does Rory? Why would you think Rory
feels obligated to consult with her mother to go to
a party their grandparents are throwing.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
I don't think she feels obligated, but she did it.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Why can't she have a separate relationship with her grandparents
and she's got to console her mother? And okay everything, she's.

Speaker 3 (51:47):
Twenty, okay, question for everybody.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
She lives on her own now and her grandparents are
paying for damn college.

Speaker 3 (51:53):
You just took my thing. Do you think Rory would
would would do all this stuff willingly and have without
any fuss if her parents her grandparents aren't paying for Yale.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Yes, but that changes the whole dynamic of the show.
Who's paying for her college? Her mother? If her mother's
paying for a college, this is a whole completely different dynamic.
Completely in the show. They set it up where you
need those grandparents, you need their money.

Speaker 3 (52:17):
I agree with you, Scott, I don't.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
She's not doing this and happy about it because they're
paying for college. She's doing it because she kind of
likes it.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Do you think she does kind of like it?

Speaker 4 (52:28):
I agree with any I think yeah, she does like it.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
Flora, now she knows she does go into Richard office
and called Laura Lai and says, oh, I'm at a
party with a bunch of boys. This is what they've done.
And Laura lies for Rory said, it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
Who said that, isn't?

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Rory said, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
I'm fine.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
Right, she kind of likes it, And you guys, we
haven't gotten to the most important part of the episode. Rory. Now,
at first, she's sort of just listening to them boringly
talk about a Mercedes minute the minute logan shows up
complete stud I really do want to spend ten minutes
talking about Logan. She loves it. Logan shows up. He's

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a complete stud. He saves her from the borne.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
How happy were you when Logan showed up?

Speaker 5 (53:21):
It was like, I want to do a flaw.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I did too. I actually stood up on a plot
and they're like, yes, my wife's going like, what's what
are you watching? I'm like gilmore girls. He goes really,
she goes, sit down.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
He's a sun dude. They're going to have a sub party.
That's how you make these parties fun. And you know
what she realizes, Oh my god, he knows my grandparents. Yeah,
and they love him.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Oh, he's the coolest dude ever. Logan huns Burger is
the coolest dude.

Speaker 5 (53:52):
They love Logan.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
He just handled everybody beautifully.

Speaker 4 (53:56):
It's funny watching this back. I've obviously mentioned this. I
was team Jess, but like I'm not team Logan. But
I really enjoy Logan, Like I could watch him all
day and like his little like banter with Rory, Like
it's so fun And I don't even think he needs
to be like team Logan whatever, but you can like

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enjoy watching him and like the way he makes Rory
feel like like you said, like it totally changed a
dynamic like she was a new girl.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
He's He's offering the kind of banter that only Gilmore's
can offer. Nobody else in Rory's life, outside of her
mother and her grandparents, can offer that level of banter.
And Logan steps in Bohm. They're hitting the ground running.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
At the scene at the end, Look what he did.
She he didn't. First of all, he didn't even know
she had a boyfriend, so he wasn't cause in trouble
right out, and the incident happens with Dean. Logan's not
in ass about it. He comes over and just the way,
that's why Matt Zewgree is so amazing. It's his face,
it's his mannerism.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yeah, and that had to hit him a little bit,
you know, in the heart. When she said I have
a boyfriend. He didn't flinch.

Speaker 5 (55:10):
No, when he says it'll be okay or he says
he'll I can't tell if he said it'll be okay
or he'll be okay. And he puts his arm around
her and takes her in. He's took a rescue. And
the boys aren't snarking. The boys look at her with sympathy, empathy.
They all were like they weren't being souls. They were
being so cool to this girl. I was into it.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I just think it's great. I mean, Logan just has
all these drunken wild animal friends and they're all rich,
just loosen their minds all over the place, and it's funny.
And then they go out to meet Dean. I mean,
what a pack of animals to confront this blue truck.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Oh it was so intimidated. But what a powerful scene.
The fine scene of this, the final scene of this
episode really sets us on our trajectory for the next
couple seasons. Because Laura Laia is home. Now, we had
a new angle. We were shooting her a couch at

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a new angle, and here's the ruckus outside, and she realizes,
my kids into this. My kid likes these guys. She
likes that Limo, she likes that tr she likes that life.
She likes this.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
She's not happy about it.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Why, it's like, let let her live her life. She's
not at home anymore. She's not at home.

Speaker 4 (56:39):
She's that's really hard for Lorelei to well, of.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Course it is, but she's got to grow up and
just let her daughter make her own choices. She's twenty.
You know, it's like it's time. I mean, it's like, look,
she's going to get her heart. She's going to get
her heart ripped out of her chest by you know,
Jess Sore or Dean or you know, maybe she can

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have a little fun the next time before it gets
ripped down a limo, some fun parties.

Speaker 4 (57:10):
Do you think you think it'd be different if she
was partying with like random friends at school. But because
she's partying with the people who Emily is friends with
their parents, she's more upset. Because that's why I think
that she was upset like.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
Or Li's upset, because she's Rory is in the Gilmour
world now and she's.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
She's exceeded everybody's expectations. She's at Yale a year, she's
in her sophomore year, and she's in the most exclusive
private club in the United States. She's in Skull and
Freaking Bones Man. But they're letting her into the inner Inner, Inner,

(57:53):
Inner sanctum. All of these lunatics in the Bullhouse. These
are going to be future Secretary of Defense. These are
going to be heads of the most powerful Wall Street
law firms. These are going to be the captains of
industry or even presidents of the United States, and she's
in that group. She's succeeded. She's succeeded Emily's and Richard's

(58:17):
expectations just by being there.

Speaker 4 (58:20):
But Amy has a point that even though she has,
that scene really set up Rory's future, and you'll see that,
but it's just it's you forget that it's such a
pivotal scene, like until you watch it back.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
You know what. I think. Here's what I think. You
know what I think, And nobody wants to say this,
and I'm gonna get smacked around. I don't care. I
think loyalie jealous. I think Loural is jealous of her
own kid. I do. I think that she sees what
she could have had and she's seeing it through her daughter,
and her daughter is serving it up on a silver platter.

Speaker 4 (58:54):
Yeah, I can see that, and I.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
Think that there's a little bit of jealousy here. So
there you go. I'm just gonna leave that for you guys.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
Yeah, there's something to what you're saying. And I think
I think she she doesn't know how to feel about
the fact that her daughter is really accepting the life
she rejected, and it's she's not aligned with Rory. They
don't see it the same way.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I don't have to be.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
I think she's said, I think she had her like
her partner in crime her whole life, you know, that
thought like her loved, loved doing takeout, love watching the
movies with her, loved doing all that stuff that she did,
and was just like her, you know, And she didn't.
She didn't have that with her mom. She was so
different than her mom, right, And so she's like, I'm
finally doing it right with my daughter. And now she's

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realizing her daughter is a lot like her mom, not
not like personality wise, but with what she.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
Enjoys or that she's not you know, that she's not
going to be with Rory the way she was. It's
different now, it's changing, it's evolving. It's like she's with
Luke now and her daughter's out of the house and
making her own choices. And that's yeah, it's gotta be hard, sure, Yeah,
Oh I.

Speaker 5 (01:00:14):
Just had a total aha, because she has just as
much of a hard time as Emily, in the sense
that Emily wants Laura I and Rory to be what
Emily wants them to be, and on some level, Laura
I wants Rory to be what she wants her to be.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
I don't think Emily cares much about what Laurel I
wants to be because she's given up hope. I think
she's really focused on her Granda back.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
In the day.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
Oh yeah, yeah, yes, absolutely, yeah no, we as we stated, yes,
I do.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Think Laurla is doing everything she can by telling Rory,
you know what they're trying to do, right, this is
what they're trying to do, But she's not saying but
come home now, you know, Like she's kind of like
giving her the warning but also being like, but you're there,
you know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
Does that?

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Do you get what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
She's trying to give her hints but trying to also
give her hints to make her own decision. But it's
Laurelized decision.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Does that make anymore?

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:01:15):
Any more? This is this is uh, this.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Is leaning her towards laurelized decision.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Worries. Just all right, what's our favorite lines?

Speaker 4 (01:01:27):
That's the line of the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Uh, Tara, what's your favorite line?

Speaker 4 (01:01:33):
I have to agree?

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Just escarow okay, so okay, so really okay, So my
favorite line was Emily screaming at the waiter when he said,
will you take a look at her? And then she
goes look at her? So that's Emily and said I
fell off my couch. I rewound that five times and

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laughed even harder every single time. Love it all right, Tara,
how many whatevers are you giving it? Announce your measuring
stick before your designation point designation.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Okay, so the item is going to be Tiaras, I'll
give it a eight point nine.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
That's pretty good. That's kind of a drubbing, though, that's
a little bit of a drubbing.

Speaker 5 (01:02:21):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
You're cackling uncontrollably throughout this episode as I was.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
I mean, I enjoyed that. I think the I think
the Lane stuff definitely took down some points for sure,
the miss Kim Laye that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Holds ye Danielle. I will say, what measuring stick?

Speaker 3 (01:02:44):
I will say, oh, stolen champagne bottles. There you go
eight point seventy five?

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Wow? Lower yeah, lower than.

Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Than yeah, Tara, I agree, the exchange student and even
some there's just a lot of cringe in this episode,
but also like the Luke and Laureliz stuff was so
good and TJ's that was so good. The Rory Dean
logan I like, I liked all that was too much
cringe in there for me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Gotcha, Amy, what's your measuring stick? And what is your point?
De good? Please? What is your pointsgitation? Please?

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
What stick? A k a skewers? Nine point nine?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Wow? Wow, I'm right there with your sister. Uh huh
uh huh okay, So I'm gonna use uh, I'm gonna
use logan smirks. I like the logan smirk, right, that
confidence smirk and Amy, I'm sorry, I'm gonna I'm gonna

(01:03:58):
do you one better. It's a perfect ten for me.
I'm sorry. And I gotta tell you, I was laughing
so much, so often, so hard that the cringey stuff
didn't bother me.

Speaker 5 (01:04:13):
Same same say.

Speaker 1 (01:04:14):
I recognized that it was cringey. Yeah, not, this isn't
going to make me chuckle. But at least they were involving,
you know, the second tier characters in a dramatic way
and at least going for the comedy. And I think
if you're in a different mood, or it's a different
time of day or whatever, you would crack up at

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that stuff too. But I thought, just very very strong
performances from everybody. This was for me, the funniest episode
I've seen in the fight.

Speaker 5 (01:04:45):
One of my favorites. Yeah, that is a fair rating.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
All right, kudz, that's gonna wrap this one up. I
don't know. This is top three episode for me. This
might be my favorite episode so far. Just the laughs alone,
I'll forgive it, the opening, I'll forget it, the cringey
I I don't care. It's a laugh riot, funniest, funniest.

Speaker 5 (01:05:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
It had more laughs per square inch than than any
episode I've seen, so uh. Quite quite a quite an episode. Anyway,
all right, all the best, thanks for downloaded. What's what's
the next episode? What do we got here? We got the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
Season five episode nine. Emily says hello.

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