September 28, 2023 • 19 mins
Gilmore Girls inspires us all … in different ways!
Meet Micol Ostow.
Find out how and why GG inspired her to write a children’s book based on the relationship between Lorelai and Rory.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I Am all In.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I Am all In with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one
eleven productions, iHeart Radio. One on one interview. We have
a very special guest, Micole Austo, who is a children's
book editor for nearly a decade and began writing professionally
in two thousand and four. She's written a children's book
about Gilmore Girls, or Gilmore's Book that's geared toward children.
(00:46):
McColl welcome, Thanks for coming on. We're real excited to
have you tell us a little bit about your book,
Gilmore Girls at Home in Stars Hollow.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It is entitled I would be so happy to so
Gilmore Girls at Home and Stars Hollow is actually a
children's picture book, and it's a storybook that tells a
little bit about Lorelei and Rory and their origins in
Stars Hollows.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So it's a storybook.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's a picture book meant for Gilmore Superband, meant for everyone.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Really, it's a.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Story for mothers and daughters, and it's a chance for
everyone to revisit all their favorite characters and Stars Hollow
and just spend a little time with all their favorite
people in their favorite place. It was so much fun
to write. It was such a good time. I had
such a blast.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So why did you choose Gilmore? Girls?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You know I will tell you the truth. So I have,
as you just said, I've been an editor. I started
my publishing career in editing, and I worked in mostly
very commercial, pop culture driven books. I was the editor
of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Charmed and Angel and
the original Sabrina the Teenage which upon a time with
Melissa Joan Hart. So I got my start in Media Italians,
(02:04):
and then when I began writing, I started writing in
Media Italians as well. And then when I left working
as an editor and started writing full time, I have
done a lot of original work, but I also get
a lot of solicitations for Media Italians because I'm very
obsessed with pop culture and I love reading and writing
pop culture stuff too. So a couple of years back,
(02:27):
I think it was The Office picture Book that sort
of led the charge of this new wave of what
seems like a trend in pop culture picture books that
seemed a little bit kind of discordant, like what a
strange idea Michael Scott Dunder Mifflin as Children, but it
was extremely successful and since then there have been a
(02:47):
bunch and I've also written.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
The Friends picture books.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
There are two out now and another one coming out tomorrow,
and a few Roman Holiday for the same editor who
who edited me for Gilmore Girls. And when they called
about Gilmour, they were so excited that they were able
to secure the.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
License, and I was so thrilled that they came to me.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
It was just not it was a no brainer, obviously,
Like I had watched the show in its original incarnation
live with my friends, like every Tuesday night we would
cook dinner together post college.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
That was That was how I learned to cook. I'll
tell you honestly.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
We would play off who was in charge of cooking,
and we would watch the show together on Tuesdays, and
then we would rewatch it long after the fact binging,
and then of course we watched the Netflix revival.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
And so I mean, how could I say no? Who? How?
Like there was no chance in how I.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I
guess you couldn't.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So let me ask you this, why do you think
the call? Why do you think the show is such
a cultural staple for TV fans, and it seems to
still be growing globally.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It is.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I wish that I could tell you why trends take
off when they do, because obviously we'd all be, you know,
phenomenally successful.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It's much more than a.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Trend twenty three years and it's getting stronger. It's snowballing.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I don't know exactly why it feels like there's something
happening right now, but maybe it's because it's on Netflix
right now, and so the youngsters are watching it right now.
Like I have an eleven year old daughter, and everyone
her age is now binging it with their moms. And
I learned this because a couple of mom friends I
have we're watching it with their daughters a year or
(04:32):
two ago. So now my daughters are old enough to
watch it, and we've been watching it when we've been
watching it because I've been working on the book, but
we would have been watching it at this age anyway.
And I think it's just it's so heartfelt, first of all,
So there's so much earnestness in there underneath all of
the fast talking and all of the screwball comedy and
(04:53):
all of the wit, and that to me, that always
gets me that no matter how much you're laughing out
and you're always laughing out loud, there's really a gut punch,
whether it's sentimental or whether it's agonizing, depending on the
episode or often within the same episode. There's always so
much emotion and then there's also there's so much intelligence
(05:17):
to it. It's such a sharply written show and there's
so much to pay attention to, and no matter how
many times you watch it. Oh, we watched the episode
where Rory meets Christopher's parents just the other day, and
there's that moment just after she's introduced.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Where she curtsies and Laura Lai whispers to her, she just.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Curtsy and I had missed that, and my daughter and
I almost fell off the couch laughing. I have seen
that episode so many times, but somehow that moment between
the two of them killed me all over again, and
the two.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Of us died. So it just it begs for constant rewatching.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It hits you in all your fields and it just
challenges you. But also it's so soothing, so it really
is perfect for all ages and all occasions.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
You know, it's very healing isn't it. I mean, I
think about the mother, the estranged mother and daughter and
they're not talking, and they've had a huge fight and
they've moved out of the house or they're still living
in the house, but they're just really acting in the
rebellious way. And they sit down watching Gilmore's Up Girls
episode and they laugh and laugh, and at the end
(06:25):
of the episode they look at each other and say,
what the heck were we mad at about? Yeah, we've
just bonded again. You know, we're close again. We appreciate
each other again. So I think it's true for mothers
and it's true for daughters. So it's a very powerful
salve that people apply on a weekly basis, and now
they can binge it every day. And I mean, it's
(06:47):
a wonderfully therapeutic show. It really truly is. All Right, So,
since your books were written for all ages, what topics
does your book cover from the show?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's really about finding your place and finding your home
and making your home and making your family. And I
think it's really really the same themes that the show
covers in terms of Lorala finding her strength or coming
into her strength, because it was always there obviously, and
(07:22):
making her way and sort of growing into herself and
understanding that home and family is what you make of it.
And certainly we all love watching her reconcile and make
peace with Emily and make peace with her family, but
(07:42):
we also I think so many people what they love
about the show is the understanding that we all have
our different experiences of family and it doesn't necessarily have
to look like that traditional, really outdated idea of the
nuclear family, and that what Laura and Rory built for
themselves in Stars Hollow as a home is so much
(08:03):
more than that nuclear family that was sort of fed
to us once upon a time, And that's the book
is really about what a family and a home is
and how and how we all define it for ourselves
and just what that home was and Stars Hollow and
how we all, like you said, I think the reason
it's too thing is because we all feel like it's
our home. Like when we're having a bad day, we
(08:24):
come home to Stars Hollow, or.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
At least we wish it. Well, yeah, we're like our home. Fascinating,
absolutely fascinating. So you worked in editing for how long
before you got the idea to write this book?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I was an editor for about ten years, but it's
been I mean, I left in Oh gosh, I'm always wrong.
I want to say two thousand and seven, but I
bet you I'm off by a few years. And I've
been writing. My first published novel came out in two
thousand and five, I think, and I've been public since then,
(09:01):
so there's been a lot of overlap.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So these types of picture books aimed at all audiences,
but maybe specifically kids, that they're really popular. They sell
really well. So the publishing business is pretty happy about
that because they find so what doesn't sell well in
terms of celebrity books or you know, I know a
(09:23):
lot of celebrities they want to write novels, or they
you know, they want to write tell alls and all
this stuff. Do those things sell?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yes? I think most It's a complicated equation.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Celebrity books do sell well, but you have to factor
in that they also get paid so much that you're
still probably taking a loss at the end of the day.
Most publishers, I think, are probably making most of their
money from their backlist, from the things like Catcher and
The Rye that are just selling over and over and
over again into.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Libraries and schools, and things like that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Maybe not libraries because they're only buying the one or
two copies a year, but they're Yeah, they're selling off
of they're making their profits off of their backlist because
the things that generate the most money are often the
things that cost.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Them the most.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
But the celebrity titles and the pop culture titles are
the ones that make the biggest splash these days, for
better or for worse.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So they have to have them, even though they're losing
money on They have to.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Have them because that they're always losing money on them.
It's really a question of the license costs a lot
of money. The author does not always cost a lot
of money in the and the art usually comes from
the licenser. It depends on the project. It's it's not
always it depends on the project.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Plus depending on the celebrity, you got to pay an
upfront bonus, which is probably problematic.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, are you are you looking for a ghostwriter, Scott
or a co writer? Is this?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know what they're right? Would
I write?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Well, that's what I'm for, that's my job.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
This is a section we called You've been gilmoord uh
oh All right, you ready? What is your favorite episode
and why?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
My favorite episode?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I'm a real sucker for a holiday themes. So I
love is the deep Fried Korean Thanksgiving where they go
to Lane's family and they have to do like four
Thanksgiving dinners. I love anything where they have to do
anything anything holiday related. Whenever there's a holiday lurking, I
make my family watch nothing but holiday themed episodes of
(11:36):
our favorite TV shows. So so I love that one.
I love the Festival of Living Art.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I love that one.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I obviously love Why don't have a spoiler alert? When
Lorelai proposes? That killed me?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I almost yeah, we already, uh we already we just
did that one.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, no that that kills me every time.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Did you like that proposal? Did you like that she propos?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Did I like it? That's a good question. I mean,
I definitely was very moved by it. I wasn't I
didn't see.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
It coming, and I was so upset at what was
going on with Rory.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I felt very.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I felt very protective of Lorelei in that moment, and
I really wanted her to have what she needed and
what she deserved, which I thought was luke. So I
liked it in that, I was like, Oh, good for you.
But I guess I would have liked I would have
liked her to have to be taken care of more
(12:37):
like to you know. But I think I think everything
in the end it worked out the way. I was
happy with the finale, let's put.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
It that way.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I haven't a lot of.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
The complaints that a lot of people have in terms
of how things were handled toward the end of the series,
but I understand what was going on.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Who's your favorite Gilmore Girls character?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
That is a really tough question. I mean, I love
them all for so many different reasons. I think Laurelize
the one I associate the most with. And probably the
best compliment that I ever got as a writer was
when one of my editors told me that my manuscripts
are like a Gilmore Girls script and she feels like
(13:24):
she has to go look up all the pop culture references.
She said, it's like reading the note the liners from
the Gilmore Girls DVDs that she used to have. And
I didn't even know that that was a thing, but
it was so flattering. So but also, I mean, everyone's amazing,
Like Suki is so amazing and Lane.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It was just Adam Brodie, Come on, this cameo was fabulous.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
So mm hmmm, is Luke the best match for Laurel?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I I think so, I think so.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I mean, is there any doubt? Yeah, I mean there's
some doubt, you have some doubt.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
No, I just I get a little bit gas lit
by everyone else's questions, like I mean to me, yeah,
I mean, I was like, do you think so?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I hope so right?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah? Yeah, I thought so. Who's your favorite boyfriend for Rory?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
None of the above.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
We were talking about this at breakfast. I think my
daughter was like Lane Lane, but I don't know. I
I think maybe Dean out of the out of the Dean,
Jess and Logan projecta, I would say Dean was maybe
the least problematic in his first iteration. But also I
(14:41):
would definitely definitely have fallen for Jess and Logan, even
though I don't think they were great for her.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
In the long run.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Mm hmmmm hmm. Do you have a favorite season of
the series. I liked the.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yale the early Yale years, so maybe like season four ish,
and I was happy with the way things were wrapped
up at the end of season seven, Like I was
glad that Luke and lore. I.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
You know, I would have liked more confirmation.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I would have liked like another proposal, But but I
don't have a favorite.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It's too much. It's too hard to choose.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Okay, Uh, what was your favorite part of the series.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Favorite part of the series, do you know? I will
say I liked. It's not a favorite.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Again, it's too hard to choose, But I really liked
in the revival, the wave of the show handled Richard's absence.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I thought that that was.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Pretty impressive, and I really appreciated the fact that the
actors had a chance to mourn him. It's a weird
thing to say as a favorite, and it's not a favorite,
but I thought that that was like his absence was
really palpable and they acknowledged it.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
So that was that was pretty impressive to me, right.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Okay, what is your favorite Gilmore Girls era era? If
you were to divide them up into eras, I guess seasons.
Maybe it's maybe, maybe it's what's your favorite season?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Well, I guess season. I liked.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I liked anything to do with hep Alien. I loved
when Lane went on her Christian tour with her rock band.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I loved I loved when Dean built Rory a car,
so the beginning of their relationship was great. But I
also loved when Jess came in and ruined that.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
So you know that era, the Jess ruins everything between
Lauri and Dean, Rory and Dean, and when Luke and
Laura Lifers got together, I lost it. So that, yeah,
did not like when April came along.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That was the opposite of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, all right, well, look great talking to you. That's
all the time we have with you.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Thank you so long.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But it was it was a real blast. And uh,
your book is called Gilmore Girls at Home in Stars
Hollo by mccol ostro. Is that Ostro or.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Astro aus Stow?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Ah, you're in such good company, don't worry McCole austow.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, and so pick up a copy everybody. It's a fascinating,
fascinating book. We've had a wonderful time getting to know
you a little bit. And uh, thanks so much for
coming on for your time.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Thank you, and let me know when we're going to collaborate.
I'm right here.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well let's do it. Yeah, yeah, let's collabse let's do it.
I'm getting idea. Okay, yeah, that'd be great, that'd be great.
I'm really interested. I did a go around once and
I never made a deal with anybody. Uh, but I
got some you know, fifty to fifty offers and some
ninety ten offers, and I just you know, nothing really
(18:06):
seemed to write for me. It wasn't the right book
in the whole thing. But yeah, so let's talk about yeah, yeah,
all right, cool, all right, all right, great, talking to
you all the best. I take care hey everybody, and
(18:51):
talk forget. Follow us on Instagram at I Am all
In Podcast and email us at Gilmore at iHeartRadio dot com.
I Am all In.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
I Am all In with Scott Patterson, an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I Am all In Podcast one
eleven productions, iHeart Radio. One on one interview. We have
a very special guest, Micole Austo, who is a children's
book editor for nearly a decade and began writing professionally
in two thousand and four. She's written a children's book
about Gilmore Girls, or Gilmore's Book that's geared toward children.
(00:46):
McColl welcome, Thanks for coming on. We're real excited to
have you tell us a little bit about your book,
Gilmore Girls at Home in Stars Hollow.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
It is entitled I would be so happy to so
Gilmore Girls at Home and Stars Hollow is actually a
children's picture book, and it's a storybook that tells a
little bit about Lorelei and Rory and their origins in
Stars Hollows.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
So it's a storybook.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
It's a picture book meant for Gilmore Superband, meant for everyone.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
Really, it's a.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Story for mothers and daughters, and it's a chance for
everyone to revisit all their favorite characters and Stars Hollow
and just spend a little time with all their favorite
people in their favorite place. It was so much fun
to write. It was such a good time. I had
such a blast.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So why did you choose Gilmore? Girls?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
You know I will tell you the truth. So I have,
as you just said, I've been an editor. I started
my publishing career in editing, and I worked in mostly
very commercial, pop culture driven books. I was the editor
of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and Charmed and Angel and
the original Sabrina the Teenage which upon a time with
Melissa Joan Hart. So I got my start in Media Italians,
(02:04):
and then when I began writing, I started writing in
Media Italians as well. And then when I left working
as an editor and started writing full time, I have
done a lot of original work, but I also get
a lot of solicitations for Media Italians because I'm very
obsessed with pop culture and I love reading and writing
pop culture stuff too. So a couple of years back,
(02:27):
I think it was The Office picture Book that sort
of led the charge of this new wave of what
seems like a trend in pop culture picture books that
seemed a little bit kind of discordant, like what a
strange idea Michael Scott Dunder Mifflin as Children, but it
was extremely successful and since then there have been a
(02:47):
bunch and I've also written.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
The Friends picture books.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
There are two out now and another one coming out tomorrow,
and a few Roman Holiday for the same editor who
who edited me for Gilmore Girls. And when they called
about Gilmour, they were so excited that they were able
to secure the.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
License, and I was so thrilled that they came to me.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
It was just not it was a no brainer, obviously,
Like I had watched the show in its original incarnation
live with my friends, like every Tuesday night we would
cook dinner together post college.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
That was That was how I learned to cook. I'll
tell you honestly.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
We would play off who was in charge of cooking,
and we would watch the show together on Tuesdays, and
then we would rewatch it long after the fact binging,
and then of course we watched the Netflix revival.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
And so I mean, how could I say no? Who? How?
Like there was no chance in how I.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Don't know, I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, I
guess you couldn't.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
So let me ask you this, why do you think
the call? Why do you think the show is such
a cultural staple for TV fans, and it seems to
still be growing globally.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It is.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I wish that I could tell you why trends take
off when they do, because obviously we'd all be, you know,
phenomenally successful.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
It's much more than a.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Trend twenty three years and it's getting stronger. It's snowballing.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
I don't know exactly why it feels like there's something
happening right now, but maybe it's because it's on Netflix
right now, and so the youngsters are watching it right now.
Like I have an eleven year old daughter, and everyone
her age is now binging it with their moms. And
I learned this because a couple of mom friends I
have we're watching it with their daughters a year or
(04:32):
two ago. So now my daughters are old enough to
watch it, and we've been watching it when we've been
watching it because I've been working on the book, but
we would have been watching it at this age anyway.
And I think it's just it's so heartfelt, first of all,
So there's so much earnestness in there underneath all of
the fast talking and all of the screwball comedy and
(04:53):
all of the wit, and that to me, that always
gets me that no matter how much you're laughing out
and you're always laughing out loud, there's really a gut punch,
whether it's sentimental or whether it's agonizing, depending on the
episode or often within the same episode. There's always so
much emotion and then there's also there's so much intelligence
(05:17):
to it. It's such a sharply written show and there's
so much to pay attention to, and no matter how
many times you watch it. Oh, we watched the episode
where Rory meets Christopher's parents just the other day, and
there's that moment just after she's introduced.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Where she curtsies and Laura Lai whispers to her, she just.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Curtsy and I had missed that, and my daughter and
I almost fell off the couch laughing. I have seen
that episode so many times, but somehow that moment between
the two of them killed me all over again, and
the two.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Of us died. So it just it begs for constant rewatching.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
It hits you in all your fields and it just
challenges you. But also it's so soothing, so it really
is perfect for all ages and all occasions.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
You know, it's very healing isn't it. I mean, I
think about the mother, the estranged mother and daughter and
they're not talking, and they've had a huge fight and
they've moved out of the house or they're still living
in the house, but they're just really acting in the
rebellious way. And they sit down watching Gilmore's Up Girls
episode and they laugh and laugh, and at the end
(06:25):
of the episode they look at each other and say,
what the heck were we mad at about? Yeah, we've
just bonded again. You know, we're close again. We appreciate
each other again. So I think it's true for mothers
and it's true for daughters. So it's a very powerful
salve that people apply on a weekly basis, and now
they can binge it every day. And I mean, it's
(06:47):
a wonderfully therapeutic show. It really truly is. All Right, So,
since your books were written for all ages, what topics
does your book cover from the show?
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's really about finding your place and finding your home
and making your home and making your family. And I
think it's really really the same themes that the show
covers in terms of Lorala finding her strength or coming
into her strength, because it was always there obviously, and
(07:22):
making her way and sort of growing into herself and
understanding that home and family is what you make of it.
And certainly we all love watching her reconcile and make
peace with Emily and make peace with her family, but
(07:42):
we also I think so many people what they love
about the show is the understanding that we all have
our different experiences of family and it doesn't necessarily have
to look like that traditional, really outdated idea of the
nuclear family, and that what Laura and Rory built for
themselves in Stars Hollow as a home is so much
(08:03):
more than that nuclear family that was sort of fed
to us once upon a time, And that's the book
is really about what a family and a home is
and how and how we all define it for ourselves
and just what that home was and Stars Hollow and
how we all, like you said, I think the reason
it's too thing is because we all feel like it's
our home. Like when we're having a bad day, we
(08:24):
come home to Stars Hollow, or.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
At least we wish it. Well, yeah, we're like our home. Fascinating,
absolutely fascinating. So you worked in editing for how long
before you got the idea to write this book?
Speaker 3 (08:41):
I was an editor for about ten years, but it's
been I mean, I left in Oh gosh, I'm always wrong.
I want to say two thousand and seven, but I
bet you I'm off by a few years. And I've
been writing. My first published novel came out in two
thousand and five, I think, and I've been public since then,
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so there's been a lot of overlap.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
So these types of picture books aimed at all audiences,
but maybe specifically kids, that they're really popular. They sell
really well. So the publishing business is pretty happy about
that because they find so what doesn't sell well in
terms of celebrity books or you know, I know a
(09:23):
lot of celebrities they want to write novels, or they
you know, they want to write tell alls and all
this stuff. Do those things sell?
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Yes? I think most It's a complicated equation.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Celebrity books do sell well, but you have to factor
in that they also get paid so much that you're
still probably taking a loss at the end of the day.
Most publishers, I think, are probably making most of their
money from their backlist, from the things like Catcher and
The Rye that are just selling over and over and
over again into.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Libraries and schools, and things like that.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Maybe not libraries because they're only buying the one or
two copies a year, but they're Yeah, they're selling off
of they're making their profits off of their backlist because
the things that generate the most money are often the
things that cost.
Speaker 4 (10:12):
Them the most.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
But the celebrity titles and the pop culture titles are
the ones that make the biggest splash these days, for
better or for worse.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
So they have to have them, even though they're losing
money on They have to.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Have them because that they're always losing money on them.
It's really a question of the license costs a lot
of money. The author does not always cost a lot
of money in the and the art usually comes from
the licenser. It depends on the project. It's it's not
always it depends on the project.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Plus depending on the celebrity, you got to pay an
upfront bonus, which is probably problematic.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Yeah, are you are you looking for a ghostwriter, Scott
or a co writer? Is this?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know what they're right? Would
I write?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Well, that's what I'm for, that's my job.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
This is a section we called You've been gilmoord uh
oh All right, you ready? What is your favorite episode
and why?
Speaker 4 (11:13):
My favorite episode?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
I'm a real sucker for a holiday themes. So I
love is the deep Fried Korean Thanksgiving where they go
to Lane's family and they have to do like four
Thanksgiving dinners. I love anything where they have to do
anything anything holiday related. Whenever there's a holiday lurking, I
make my family watch nothing but holiday themed episodes of
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our favorite TV shows. So so I love that one.
I love the Festival of Living Art.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
I love that one.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
I obviously love Why don't have a spoiler alert? When
Lorelai proposes? That killed me?
Speaker 1 (11:50):
I almost yeah, we already, uh we already we just
did that one.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, yeah, no that that kills me every time.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Did you like that proposal? Did you like that she propos?
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Did I like it? That's a good question. I mean,
I definitely was very moved by it. I wasn't I
didn't see.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
It coming, and I was so upset at what was
going on with Rory.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
I felt very.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I felt very protective of Lorelei in that moment, and
I really wanted her to have what she needed and
what she deserved, which I thought was luke. So I
liked it in that, I was like, Oh, good for you.
But I guess I would have liked I would have
liked her to have to be taken care of more
(12:37):
like to you know. But I think I think everything
in the end it worked out the way. I was
happy with the finale, let's put.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
It that way.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
I haven't a lot of.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
The complaints that a lot of people have in terms
of how things were handled toward the end of the series,
but I understand what was going on.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Who's your favorite Gilmore Girls character?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
That is a really tough question. I mean, I love
them all for so many different reasons. I think Laurelize
the one I associate the most with. And probably the
best compliment that I ever got as a writer was
when one of my editors told me that my manuscripts
are like a Gilmore Girls script and she feels like
(13:24):
she has to go look up all the pop culture references.
She said, it's like reading the note the liners from
the Gilmore Girls DVDs that she used to have. And
I didn't even know that that was a thing, but
it was so flattering. So but also, I mean, everyone's amazing,
Like Suki is so amazing and Lane.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
It was just Adam Brodie, Come on, this cameo was fabulous.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
So mm hmmm, is Luke the best match for Laurel?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I I think so, I think so.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
I mean, is there any doubt? Yeah, I mean there's
some doubt, you have some doubt.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
No, I just I get a little bit gas lit
by everyone else's questions, like I mean to me, yeah,
I mean, I was like, do you think so?
Speaker 4 (14:10):
I hope so right?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah? Yeah, I thought so. Who's your favorite boyfriend for Rory?
Speaker 4 (14:17):
None of the above.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
We were talking about this at breakfast. I think my
daughter was like Lane Lane, but I don't know. I
I think maybe Dean out of the out of the Dean,
Jess and Logan projecta, I would say Dean was maybe
the least problematic in his first iteration. But also I
(14:41):
would definitely definitely have fallen for Jess and Logan, even
though I don't think they were great for her.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
In the long run.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Mm hmmmm hmm. Do you have a favorite season of
the series. I liked the.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Yale the early Yale years, so maybe like season four ish,
and I was happy with the way things were wrapped
up at the end of season seven, Like I was
glad that Luke and lore. I.
Speaker 4 (15:08):
You know, I would have liked more confirmation.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
I would have liked like another proposal, But but I
don't have a favorite.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It's too much. It's too hard to choose.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Okay, Uh, what was your favorite part of the series.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Favorite part of the series, do you know? I will
say I liked. It's not a favorite.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Again, it's too hard to choose, But I really liked
in the revival, the wave of the show handled Richard's absence.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
I thought that that was.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Pretty impressive, and I really appreciated the fact that the
actors had a chance to mourn him. It's a weird
thing to say as a favorite, and it's not a favorite,
but I thought that that was like his absence was
really palpable and they acknowledged it.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
So that was that was pretty impressive to me, right.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Okay, what is your favorite Gilmore Girls era era? If
you were to divide them up into eras, I guess seasons.
Maybe it's maybe, maybe it's what's your favorite season?
Speaker 4 (16:16):
Well, I guess season. I liked.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I liked anything to do with hep Alien. I loved
when Lane went on her Christian tour with her rock band.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
I loved I loved when Dean built Rory a car,
so the beginning of their relationship was great. But I
also loved when Jess came in and ruined that.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
So you know that era, the Jess ruins everything between
Lauri and Dean, Rory and Dean, and when Luke and
Laura Lifers got together, I lost it. So that, yeah,
did not like when April came along.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
That was the opposite of my favorites.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah, all right, well, look great talking to you. That's
all the time we have with you.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Thank you so long.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But it was it was a real blast. And uh,
your book is called Gilmore Girls at Home in Stars
Hollo by mccol ostro. Is that Ostro or.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Astro aus Stow?
Speaker 3 (17:22):
Ah, you're in such good company, don't worry McCole austow.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, and so pick up a copy everybody. It's a fascinating,
fascinating book. We've had a wonderful time getting to know
you a little bit. And uh, thanks so much for
coming on for your time.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
Thank you, and let me know when we're going to collaborate.
I'm right here.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Well let's do it. Yeah, yeah, let's collabse let's do it.
I'm getting idea. Okay, yeah, that'd be great, that'd be great.
I'm really interested. I did a go around once and
I never made a deal with anybody. Uh, but I
got some you know, fifty to fifty offers and some
ninety ten offers, and I just you know, nothing really
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seemed to write for me. It wasn't the right book
in the whole thing. But yeah, so let's talk about yeah, yeah,
all right, cool, all right, all right, great, talking to
you all the best. I take care hey everybody, and
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