April 12, 2021 • 39 mins
Before she was a fan-favorite “Housewife,” the wildly successful entrepreneur, best-selling author, and mom Bethenny Frankel had a very different kind of job... Paris’ nanny! They’ve known each other forever but now Paris gets to ask Bethenny all the juicy questions and what it was like taking care of Paris and Nicky growing up. You won’t want to miss some of the childhood stories that only Paris’ former nanny Bethenny has!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, Paris, Hi, how are you feeling great? Another week
of the podcast. I feel like it's just getting better
and better. I know, I'm loving this. It's so much fun.
I'm so happy to have you here with me. It's
been fantastic. And you you My birthday was this week
and you sent me a lovely, lovely little message that
I got to play on Nightly Pop and the one
(00:23):
comment was that, all of a sudden, I've got a
lot of star power and that's never happened before. So
I you know, I have to thank you. You made
me look really cool to my coworkers. It was very hot.
Speaking of hot people, Uh, today's guest is someone who's
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been in your life for a very long time, and
she's seen you grow from the very beginning. She's seen
that's hot girl from the very beginning. Who is today's guest.
Today's guest is Bethany Frankel. Yeah. How long have you
known Bethany? I've known Bethany since I was a little girl. Wow.
And it's because you was your nanny, right? Yes? How crazy?
Is that? Very strange? It's weird that like even even
(01:07):
the people who worked in your life also became mega
television stars. Yes, I have the golden touch. I really hope, So,
I really hope. So No, I'm not going to take
credit for that. I'm joking. But she's just brilliant. She's funny,
she's smart, she's a go getter, she's strong, and she's
(01:27):
such a character. I love her. I think we'll have
a fun time with Bethany today. And Bethany just got engaged,
so congrats to her. That's amazing. Hopefully we get to
meet the guy at some point. Looks like everyone's getting engaged.
But you yeah, you know what I just did the
instead person, I just got a dog. I adopted a
dog yesterday. Yeah, so once, once she becomes potty trained,
(01:50):
maybe you'll meet her. But I'm not gonna let her.
As much as as cool as it would be to say,
my dog pooped in Paris Sultan's house, I'm not going
to do that. What kind of dog. Um, She's two
years old and she's some sort of sheep dog mix
and she's so sweets, the most loving dog in the world,
which is a great transition back to our guests. What
type of nanny was she? Was? She? You know, easy going, strict,
(02:14):
definitely not strict. She was like really cool and fun
and I was just always excited when she would pick
us up at school and like take us to the
pet store McDonald's. She was a lot of fun. She's
always been fun. She just like has this personality that's
just like fun and she just likes to live life
and have a good time and make jokes and just
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has always had that personality forever. I think outgoing and
relaxed is like the ideal nanny you can have. And
then the fact that she became a TV superstar is
just an added bononous. But of course, you've surrounded yourself
with really cool, really successful people your entire life, and
I'm excited to meet this one. It's Bethani Frankelin. This
(02:57):
is Paris, all right. Welcome Ethany. Thank you. You already
know Paris more than most people might know. You were
Paris Is nanny originally. Yeah, I mean Kathy sort of
(03:20):
called it that. I feel like it's given me a
better title than it was. But after school, I would
I would pick them up from school and take them
to school, and then we do activities and we go
to Century City and I would take you girls to
get like you always wanted to go to the pet
store and get ferrets, and Nikki always wanted to go
to rampage to get closed or not. It was a rampage, yeah,
(03:42):
like a rampage and Judy's and like, yeah, to get closed.
Yeah exactly. But so and I worked at their mom's
store called the Staircase, wrapping presents. So yeah, I guess
that's sort of nanny It's right, nanny adjacent. Yeah, that's
pretty close. So what ages was this between for Paris? Um,
(04:04):
how old were you at Kyle's wedding? No idea. So
I feel like that was you maybe were like thirteen.
I mean she was twenty six, I think so. I mean, yeah,
you were probably like thirteen fourteen, and um, it was
probably like three years prior to that. They were young.
(04:26):
I mean they were little little you know, from when
they were little girls. I mean, uh, your brothers were
the babies, and I remember when, um, I think one
of your brothers was born or not. You know, they
were little kids. They didn't really interact with as much
as Paris and Dicky. Um, but they were fun and
they were very different back then. And Paris was running
sort of the show at Kyle's wedding. I'll never forget
(04:49):
you had like an entourage at Kyle's wedding of all
the other young kids or cousins. I wish I paid
more attention now, but there was a crew you had
in place. I don't remember any of that. Yes, I
would love to hear about it. Yeah, yeah, you just
you know, you were just you just had a presence
even in within that wedding, Like you were taller and
(05:09):
seemed older than all these little kids, but they were
sort of all following you. How would you describe me
as a child. Um, you were very sweet, and you
loved I mean, like now, you loved animals. You really
really really loved animals. I think I sort of knew
you thought about modeling, but I didn't. It didn't seem
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that way from my perspective, that makes any sense, like
it you just seem sort of free spirit, like a
free spirit. But you were both pretty quiet. I have
to say you and Nikki were both pretty quiet. But
I mean I was so native, I didn't know who
anybody was or anything. I just met Um. I was
working at Lascala as a hostess, and that's how I
met Kyle through a crazy story and met Kathy through
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Kyle who needed someone to help her in the store,
and then it led to helping her out with Paris
and Nikki, which is who I was, one who would
do ten different jobs, didn't matter. And at that same
restaurant with Scala. I didn't know what that restaurant was.
It was just the first place that gave me a job,
and I walked in and asked for a job to
be a hostess for like eight dollars an hour. I
also got a job looking for Jerry and Linda Bruckheimer
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in their home, but they I didn't know who they
were either. So Paris and Nicki and Kathy, I mean
the Hilton's where I guess like later I realized a
big deal. And your parents had met in high school,
and obviously I've heard of the hotel, so that seemed
like a big deal. But like they, I had no
idea that this trajectory to Calm or that Harris was before.
(06:35):
Like people cared who people's kids were that were wealthy.
It just wasn't a thing like that, Like socialites weren't
really a thing like that, So I make any sense.
People cared about celebrities and who people already famous, but
that sort of thing. And I remember this so later
when I heard about all this, I ran into your
mom in the handsons of Nikki, and Nikki was like sixteen,
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and I was like, take her out tonight. I'm like,
take her out tonight. And I've been going to night
since four teens. Don't get it twisted. But I wasn't
looking to give anybody else my crazy childhood where I
was like what And I didn't realize because that was
all those sort of Hampton's magazines and New York glossy
magazines of people's being taken pictures at parties like but
these girls were like it girls. I didn't understand what
any of that was. My head was down. So later
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I was like what is going on? Like what are
what is this? That these are the girls I would
take for the Parrets. So it was all a surprise
to me. I mean, you know, when I think about
Paris having a posse at Kyle's wedding, it's not but
overall it was a surprise. Did her did her like
life surprise you along the way or did you kind
of were you like it must have to a degree,
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like is this what you expected? For Paris. Who would
it not surprise? Who would it not prise? It's not
it's not it's not a life of any other human being.
It's ever lived, So who would it not surprise? Like saying,
did Julius Caesar's life come over here and say hello? Hello?
You know, let'm say hi, this is my this is
my little peanut. Hi. She's big on TikTok. By the way,
(08:03):
so Paris I kind of started selfies and social media
and all this, like TikTok dances. It's all kind of
because of her in a way, like you know what
I mean, do all the glam and all that stuff,
and she looks like a barbe and she does all
that kind of girly stuff, which she's really smart. But
um to think that I meant, I mean, Nikki had
to be the stage maybe even younger blue eyes my
(08:26):
little blind for those listening right now, this is your daughter,
but then you just pulled in. This is my daughter.
Name is Bryn and she is ten and she does
really she's very going to show your sneakers, goes to
your sneakers and show them what you made. She's very
into art and she is Um loves TikTok. I loves dancing.
She's very creative. She's very free, not unlike the way
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Paris was. I would That's how I would describe her.
She was very free. She did not she did not
she looked free, she seemed free. She wanted to be free.
So this is bring just made these cool. I love that. Wow,
just made them. She decided she was going to do
really cool it. She's very artistic. She sketches. Yeah, she's
very artist like fred or something. Yeah, she's she's very talented.
(09:09):
So anyway, um that yeah, I was. It's very surprised.
It was shocking because it was a whole new world
that I didn't understand, and then it was people that
I knew, So it was crazy. Who is more well behaved,
Nikki or me? Nikki was always sort of poise. I
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feel like I always a little cold. She always was
like sort of like that. If you know her, she's
really funny and she has a you know, a very
interesting and my sense of humor, and she's gonna drives
sense of humor. But she was always very serious from
my perspective, and she was always into fashion. You loved animals,
she really loved fashion. I don't think you liked fashion
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and modeling, but in a different sort of way. I
think she you appreciated it for its beauty and like
as it pertained to you, But I think she cared
about as an art form. But I don't that for
a fact. It just seemed like that that accurate. Yeah,
And I felt Nikki was always the more girly one
and I was like more of a tomboy where animals
and I didn't really care about fashion like the way
(10:12):
Nikki did at all. When did that change? So it
was different When I move to New York, then I
realized I had to start dressing up, So that's my
started copying Nikki style. Well what's crazy and that no
one realizes, um, is that I remember when I used
to take you guys to school and pick you up
(10:32):
after and would hang out with Kyle. She used to say,
Kathy really wants to keep them young. That was like
a big goal, that's the biggest l O L of
all time. But really Cathy wanted to keep them young,
Like that was the You can't blame this on Rick
and Cathy, is what I'm saying. This whole thing that
went down is not Rick and Cathy, it's nicky. They
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just did their own they were running their own show.
They were so strict, and I think when you're parent
and you are strict, it makes you want to rebel.
I think it's normal. But I don't think most people
would really believe that they're strict. That's what I'm saying, Like,
really that's their goal when yeah, it's true, when Paris
and Nikki were doing their rebelling, was Kathy did Kathy
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say to you anything? Was she like, hey, what how
do I you have any advice would we do? Was
it like something or is it pretty insulated to the family.
I think I was pre rebellion. I think I was
pre rebellion. I think they were just young girls that
came from, you know, a privileged family and they lived
in you know, bel air. But it's like you know,
(11:41):
la la land, you know, so um, they had a
great life. But I don't think the proverbial ship hit
the fan for a couple of years and after that.
But you went that school that I used to take
you to the least say it was at a really
strict school. That wasn't like that was just because she
wanted you to go to that school. That wasn't any
sort of reaction to something else, right, That wasn't like
(12:02):
a discipline everything. It was just a good school. It
was normal Francaid to Los Angeles. It was just like, Yeah,
it was just like a normal, good private school. Yeah,
fancy sounding school I've ever heard of my entire So
did you see the documentary, Bethany? Uh? Yes, Yeah, what
do you think I saw that. I loved it. I
couldn't believe it. I thought it was excellent. I thought
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it was revealing. I thought it was interesting. I thought,
you know that the the nuance and the sort of
the stuff with Kathy was really interesting. I thought Nikki
was really great. I thought Harris was very honest, and
it was you know, I thought it was really great
and sad, and to think of, you know, I've had
some crazy things happen in my childhood, and when you're
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a kid, you don't really have a voice, and you
also not that it's sad that people won't really listen,
but also things happened so quickly with adults and kids
just sort of say things, and people have many kids,
they say things and they're running by and you kind
of like take it with a grain of salt. And
for example of my daughter, you know, I can tell
in something sort of bothering her, but I really have
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to find my way into finding out exactly what that is, because, um,
it's a certain skill set as a parent. And you know,
and I know, Paris, congratulations, you just got engaged and
you want to have kids. It's a skill set as
a parent to really find your way to make your
kids talk to you in a way where they feel
like it's their idea, where that they don't feel like
you're prodding and asking them a question, and you have
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to make them feel like there's a safe space. It's
definitely a dance. There's definitely a dance to getting kids
to say something. So I can absolutely see, based on
a lot of the crazy things I've seen as a child,
how that message didn't get related about what was going
on in Paris at that school. I can see how
that happened. And it's crazy that, you know, such big
things can happen without people realizing it, but I can.
(13:50):
I can see it. Yeah, it's hard, intense, it's crazy
that so many people so close to you, I just
had no idea what was going on. Yeah, I didn't
talk about it with anyone. That was something I just
promised myself I would never tell anyone. So I think
when you go through something traumatic in life, like everyone
probably has, you don't really like to think about it
(14:11):
or talk about it off. Yeah, you just blow it
off and you just try to forget. Yeah. Yeah, and
then you sort of do forget, and then you wonder
if you were if you're being dramatic and thinking about
it back the way that it was, even though you
know that it was because you have all the memories
that it but you kind of your mind place tricks
on you when you've had traumatic childhood experiences. I have
(14:32):
that exactly, not that I have experiences like that, so
I know, But doesn't doesn't your mind play tricks on you? Definitely?
Do you open up to your kids at all about
those from Like at what age do you tell your
because at some point Paris, you're gonna have to, you know,
tell your kiddos about a lot of stuff you went through. Um,
have you had any of those conversations Bethany with like, Hey,
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this is some of the hard stuff that I dealt with. Um,
you do it in a little in pieces, you know,
you do it in pieces and my daughter has to
meet my mother, and why hadn't she, which she did recently,
but to talk about you know, it wasn't exactly the
same child that you experience, and you kind of bring
it back to them and how lucky they are and
I had it different and and not. You know, you
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don't give them the whole, You give them little pieces
to you at a time, versus the whole, entire the whole,
entire meal, because it would be completely overwhelming and alienating.
And you know, you just want to keep kids as
pure as you possibly can, which is exactly the thing
that didn't happen with you, Paris or me. But you
try to have the best experience for them that you
can while also having them realize that bad things happen
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in the world. And there's something to be said for
surviving something. You know, there's something to be said for
getting through something and being a person who has survived
something and the strength that that you know gives you
mm hmm. Speaking of kind of being that good influence, you,
I think are setting a very good example for a
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lot of women everywhere as an entrepreneur and an advocate
and really kind of there's nothing you haven't done and
done well, at least from what I saw. How do
you kind of pass that stuff on to your daughter?
What are you telling her? Um? I mean, I don't
know that I want that stuff for my daughter, per se.
You know, I don't actually know that. I like, you know,
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I would not have done these speakers the way she
she just did that. And I'm not as free as
she is, and I like that for her. I want
her to fly and I want her to have that freedom.
You know, I nurtured. She's very sweet. She's a very
good person. I am strict indulgent, so with her, you know,
she she I don't want to say she spoiled, because
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she's not spoiled at all. But she has a privileged life.
But she never crosses the line because if she comes
even close to the line, she gets checked. And it's
not a joke, like she's scared and there's a healthy
fear that she has of me. And that's okay. I
don't negotiate with terrorists, so I don't play games, and
I don't I don't bluff, so so with her, it's
a very interesting combination of her having this amazing life
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and these great experiences. But if she takes it too far,
it all gets shut down. And I literally said to
a couple of years ago, it was the day before
New Year's Eve, I said, this next year is going
to go to one or two ways. I said, we
could do it the easy way of the hard way,
and she said, what's the hard way? So the hard
way is you're challenging and you you do do things
that you know that mommy is not gonna like, and uh,
(17:23):
it will not be very easy year. And I've taken
on because she was happy. She was the first and
only really bad, sort of bitchy mood she's ever been in.
And I said I had taken on. You know, women
a lot more challenging than you. And she said, what's
the easy way? And I said, you'd just be a sweet,
sweet little peanut because I call her peanut and a
good person. And life's gonna you know, life with me
is gonna be really really easy. She said, all do
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the easy way. I said, okay, right, yeah, yes, So
she's she's you know, she's into what she's into and
I think it's great to nurture that. And no one's
looking for another me. This is Paris, This is Paris,
(18:11):
so you were on Real House as in New York
City and you quit because you just said it was
exhausting and stressful. What do you think of it now? Um?
You know, when I went on, I was broke. I
got paid seven thousand, two fifty dollars for this season,
which is presumably less than what your mom is probably
gonna be getting paid, if that rumor is true. And
(18:31):
we could talk about that if you want, um, but uh,
I went on. I was in a studio, I keia
furnished apartment. I was broke. I at everything. I had nothing.
I didn't mean to have anything to lose, and I
really wanted to be something and do something and create something,
and I had I've always looked at the board like
a check, like a chessboard, just the moves, several moves ahead,
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like you talked about, you were thinking on simple life.
And so I left after three years because I just
I don't do some think if I don't like it
or it doesn't make me feel good about myself or
depending upon the part point in my life on that.
So I left, which was surprising to people because you
don't usually leave something that's ascending. And then years a later,
I was offered UM a number I couldn't refuse. I
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felt that I couldn't refuse to connect back with this audience,
and I went back and still man. Then was interesting
because I managed to go back on very different terms
literally legal, different terms legally, and also just I had
accomplished something. I had turned a brand for. You know,
I've been on the cover of Forbes, So I was
able to have this other career and still do that.
But there got to be a point where it didn't
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really make much sense why I was there anymore. I
was literally there because of the money. It was just
a lot of money at that point for me, you know,
a very big number. I was being paid and UM
and I had left in the ratings had significantly changed,
and I'd come back and they said changed back. So
it was it was good at a good street cred there,
and I just left because, um, it came not who
(20:00):
I really was anymore. And you know, you can't stay
somewhere or you can't do something out of fear just
because it was a really good paycheck. I just wanted
to sort of not be It's just not what I
wanted to be doing anymore. I didn't want to be
having those conversations. I didn't want to be arguing about
things that really don't matter to me. And uh, I
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think it's changed. So I was there in the beginning
when it was something that none of us really even
knew what it was, and now it's something that is
uh preeky. People have a pre you know, preconceived notion
about it and they know what they think what's going
to happen. I mean, how many charity events can we
go to, how many friends can we not support on
vacations and how much drama do we want to avoid
(20:42):
and then go right into the drama on the vacation.
So I just you know, the time had come. Yeah,
that was What do you think about your mom doing it?
If that's true? Um well, my sister and I were
just talking about this my mom when we first found
out about it. She was like, no, I'm not doing it,
and she was like just not telling us the truth basically.
(21:03):
Um So I think my sister and I we just
you know, we love our moms so much, We're so
close and that show is just like what you're saying,
there's just a lot of drama. There's a lot of
like unnecessary arguments and you know that's drama is what
gets ratings and what cells. So just we just don't
really want our mom being involved in that drama. Nicky
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and I were talking about it, like, if there was
not a pandemic happening right now and she wasn't so
bored at home, there's no way that she would have
said yes to this. You know. Also she's at a
different age, her kids are grown. You know, some women,
a lot of the women that do that. You know,
Kelsey Grammer's wife was going through a divorce then came
onto the show. Um, some people go on and you know,
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Yolanda add I guess was having issues in her relationship
and marriage and probably only she really knew that, and
so you come onto the show. Uh, some people do it.
Dorinda had a you know, her husband had died years before,
and you come onto the show. Sometimes it's just someone
wants the next chapter. So it could be that you are,
you are all grown, you have you're engaged, nick he's
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got kids, the boys are getting older. Everyone's got their
own life. And she and Rick are great. But you know,
she hasn't had like a quote unquote traditional career path.
Let's just say maybe she wants to just like do
something or be something, or you know, maybe she is
a little bored. Maybe it's just like something to define
her in some way. Yeah, what do you think your
(22:31):
mom wants out of this? Just entertainment probably, And I
don't think that she'll get involved in the drama hopefully. Well,
I don't think, you know, she necessarily needs to. I
feel like sometimes maybe that is an inclination because you're, like,
I want to be the star of the show, and
so maybe you're willing to step into this a little
bit more. What whatever Bethany did obviously worked because not
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only is it you know, your organization, but also be
Strong is like you've turned what was, you know, not
always the most positive experience into helping so many people
tell us a little bit about be Strong. Well, be
Strong is great because, um, it's very unique. It's a
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relief initiative. We are now. Um we've now distributed more
than eighty million dollars in aid in three years with
literally me and a partner and the tiniest staff you
can imagine, they're probably they're one to two full time people.
That's it. Of all of the aid and money raise
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goes directly to the people. So it's a no BS,
totally rogue UH disaster relief initiative where we've we've given
over twenty million dollars in ppe UH intern internationally and
hit all fifty states with hospitals and police stations and
fire stations. We have been to. We've been to Guatemala,
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to Australia, to North Carolina, dozens of times, to Puerto
Rico and back with fifty three planes there and fifty
three planes back filled with aid and patients and barge
barges and cruise ships and cargo ships and the Bahamas
same thing, many planes in and out and we have
just done um. We're in the midst of a seven
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figure UH relief effort in Texas. So the point is
it's like it's now become like business, where I can
I have tried, I've I've proven myself in this space,
so I can just come up and raise money and
we have a sixty thou script of warehouse that year
round is filled with aid. Just today, Bird's Bees reached out.
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Every week it's some major company that reaches out and
wants to help us with aid, and some major celebrity
that wants to give us you know, hundreds of thousands
of dollars. So it's a real um, it's a real
effort now where it used to be like literally couldn't
get hot be honest to give me twelve pairs of
rainbow for Hurricane Harvey in Texas, literally that, And now
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we can get millions and millions of dollars of water
and hydration kits and ppe and just everything. So we
are not political. We uh, we take money from Republicans, Democrats.
We don't complain, we don't blame. The second something hits
disaster like hurricanes could be still hitting a place like
the Bahamas, and we're ready in motion, We're ready on
(25:26):
the ground. We already you know where the needs are.
We have the trust of the people. Were completely transparent
about exactly where every dollar is going in the moment,
in real time. So we're doing something that no one
else is doing and and has really never been done
in this way because we don't screw around. We don't
hold rubber chicken dinners to raise money. We don't do
bureaucratic red red tape. It's called just like figure it
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out immediately and get it done. So it's really rewarding
and gratifying, and we have saved thousands and thousands of lives.
That's incredible. I really applaud me for that and really
admire you for that. It's amazing. Also, I wanted to
ask you another question because you have just built this
incredible empire and brand, and I know a lot of
(26:09):
our listeners would love to hear your advice on how
to do that. Well, it's like Game of Thrones, you
protect the realm. I know you and I had this
conversation in Paris when we were on when you were
on my podcast, and it's funny because I don't talk
this much on my podcast and you're talking less than
you came when you were the guests. You know, Um,
(26:30):
you know what I'm saying. Like I I talked, I
don't talk about myself on my own and you you're
not talking about yourself. Uh So it's interesting. Um, But
we did talk about this in Paris and I both
know what it means to look at the board as
a chess board, and you know, because you may not
always accomplish each thing the way that you're planning it,
but that you're aware there are several moves ahead and
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you're trying to do things right now to make those
moves happen. In that way, if you're seeing the Queen's gambit,
you have to be thinking fifty steps head um that
it is protecting the realm, it's protecting the brand that
you know, it's hard to build a real business without
a big group of people. But it's hard to be
a public personality and have so many people around you
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because trusting people is difficult. And that's part of protecting
the realm, which I know Paris does also UM agree
with because we had a good talk about that on
my show. UM. And it's really old school hard work,
just the way that anybody worked in the fifties without
cell phones or before fax machines or social media or
any of this. Like, it's old school hard work. And
(27:36):
I do find I have a new show, The Big
Shot with Bethany about finding um my number two in
my operation. And you know, it's astounding how much people
really just want shortcuts to success. And if you really
understand what you're doing, and you have a drive and
a passion and a determination and a focus which could
change because your brand could change, you cannot imagine how
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far you will go by just being a person who's
willing to do what other people aren't and work hard
like other people aren't. It's really about old school hard work.
What network does that come out on? Again? Atrio Max,
April nine, Nice, I can't wait to watch that. This
is Paris, This is seven Next Living Questions. Where did
(28:24):
sliving come from? I made it up? Um. It's a
word that I made up on Halloween like two years ago,
and it basically means slang and living your best life
into one word. Oh, okay, slang and living your best life. Okay,
I like it, adopt it? Okay, I don't think I'm
(28:47):
young enough to adopt it, but I don't know. We'll
say you say you're pretty hip. I've listened to you
on the podcast. Don't you refer to yourself as a gangster? Yes?
I don't even I may be. Yeah, I mean I
am a half a gangster, but yeah, but I'm not.
I don't protect I just don't know. Like Nikki says
(29:08):
dope all the time, I'm I don't think you're allowed
to say dope. How old do you nick? You have
two children? You're rough child? I don't say that's dope.
Was dope? But like you sound like a dope saying dope.
So yeah, so Nikki is like very cool and says dope,
and I just I don't think I get away of
saying dope by other things. Yeah, but um, I'm you know,
(29:28):
I'm only cool in certain ways. I'm not cool. I
don't understand anything about social media. I'm a dinosaur. I
don't even own a computer and I've had everything is
on the phone. So I'm not good at certain things
that are hipped. They're dope. Cool world saying dope. You
can get away with it. You get away with it perfect,
(29:53):
all right. What is your spirit animal? What is my
spirit animal? My daughter? My daughter, and my dogs Biggie Smalls.
They're my spirit animals, Biggie Smalls. I love that there
are two dogs, Biggie and Smalls. They're one. I know
you love dogs. They lick each other, they clean each other.
So and he used my baby. They're my spirit animals. Anyway, Sorry,
(30:17):
we're sliving living. I like it. Well. I think you
should say this is slivin. This is slivin living babies.
You used it great, by the way, that felt really good.
I felt really natural. It added a lot to the
word thank you. Inside and I got into my character.
I felt good inside. It was dope in a good way. Okay,
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what is your sign? And are you like your sign?
I am a Scorpio and you already know the answer
to that. I do sting. I am intense, I am passionate,
and it is said to be the most sexual sign
in the zodiac. So I'm a sexual person. That doesn't
mean quantity, that just means quality. Are you dating anybody
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right now? Paul, who I've been together with for a
few years now, lucky guy, huh loves that scorpio. He's
a good guy. First kiss, you have one minute to
tell us everything. My first kiss Mark Rosenbloom Hot Skates,
roller Rink and limb Brook. We see that square awesome
(31:26):
Celantano's frozen pizza in the orange booth and we kiss
on roller Skates's good Kisser roller skates. First kiss is
awkward enough, But on roller skates, I could do anything
on roller skates. There's not much I couldn't do on
roller skates. That is not a joke. I was. I
was in I lived in this roller skate link in Limbrook,
(31:47):
New York, closed and the owner sent me pictures of
myself there. I used to emailed me like I was
a fixture there because again back to my challenging childhood,
I would be dropped off at the roller rink at
nine o'clock in the morning, had picked up at nine
o'clock at night. So there's really not that much. I
was once trying to get into a club in New
York and you would know exactly the club, Halo club
(32:08):
in New York City called Halo. It was it stairs, stairs,
stairs to go. So it was Halloween. Back to Halloween.
I was dressed up as roller roll and I was
on roller skates and the guy said, you can't come
in because the skates and I said, excuse me, I said,
what are you talking about? Like it's not safe. I go,
I can I can do more on these skates and
I kind of my feet I could do. I could
do a car wheel. He was prove it. I did
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a car wheel on the street in front of Halo.
When he let me in, I'd walk all down those stairs.
And I love that story. When I was like seventeen
or no, when I was eighteen, when I started going
to clubs in l A, I would wear these shoes
that you press a button and like the roller skates
would pop out and I would call myself like roller
roller girl of the two thousands, and I would every
Wednesday at this club last Palmise always wear my roller
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skate shoes and was so much fun. I love them.
My daughter has them. They're called roll Yes they were
talking about like, yes, that's awesome, so fun. So I
brought back memories. Okay, Um, what is the most rewarding
part of your job? The most rewarding part of my
(33:12):
job is definitely the relief work, the amount that we're
able to accomplish just based on me working so hard
for all this time. And then, Um, I just like
accomplishing things. I like executing ideas. I like being good
at something. I like proving to myself and other people
that if you work really hard, there's really not much
that you can get done. And so I come from
place of yes in that way, like if I say
(33:34):
I can get done, it can get done. So I
like the rewarding aspect of that, just hitting new goals
and and setting new goals and then accomplishing them. I agree.
What is your top beauty secret? This is not I
never I'm wearing makeup today because I did hs and
oh the glasses you like, Paris. I told everybody love
(33:57):
your sunglass line. I'm gonna send you all that the
thirtys and they look like they're two Emerald Green sending
you up. I'll send you every pair. But there's amazing.
I'm saying, yeah, the first, this is the first, Bethany,
you have a brand called Paris. My brand is not
has been Skinny Girl. I've never launched a Bethany product
of Verse. This is Bethany, thank you. So I'm never
(34:21):
in makeup, and I mean I'm not. I don't just
say that I'm always in pajamas that I'm never in makeup.
I just don't like it. I don't like my hair.
I just like to be free. So my good my
best beauty tip. It's not about a brand, because I
don't believe that only one brand is better, because I
think it's really marketing. I think it's about being consistent.
So uh, using like a good grainy exfoliating scrub if
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you don't have very sensitive skin, once or twice a week,
especially if you're wearing makeup um on just slightly damp skin,
like not really what skinned, because it's like really becomes
a good exploliator, and then right after that putting like
a hydrating sheet mask or a face alan. I believe
in that. And then I believe then whenever you're in
(35:04):
a hotel, like a wash cloth, like a good sort
of almost cheap wash cloth or like baby wash cloths
are just good because they get all of this makeup
on them, so you don't want them to do your
fancy towels, but they're such good exfoliators and um like
just good clay clay masks. So I believe like just
cleaning out your skin really well and then really feeding
and hydrating in particularly when you get older. And there
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was one thing you just said that that made me
think of what another good beauty timp was, and I
just had it. I'll think of it a second. It
was some oh girls, because you have you have a
young audience, clean your makeup brushes. It's gross. It's how
you break out, and nobody does it enough. Clean your
damn makeup brushes. And when after you clean them, it
could be with just shampoo or whatever, lay them on
(35:47):
the side because if you lay them in a cut
like the water will seep down and rock the brushes.
And then if you in between the big cleanings. Just
use good good wipes to clean them off every time
you put them on your face. So just sitting outside
and collecting bacteria that I can say, that's really good.
Don't ever go to bed with that. Don't ever go
to bed without without cleaning your makeup ball. That's yeah,
(36:09):
that's like the number one I. I can't do that ever.
I'm like obsessed with skin here alright, what's your favorite
my favorite beauty secret? My favorite one was when I
was like eight, my mom taught me to stay out
of the sun and then also about everything to do
with skincare, like washing your face and putting on the
(36:29):
I creams and neck creams and serums and like this's
like twelve step process. So I've been literally doing that
since I seven. It's good. It's a good feeling, and
it's your alone time in the bathroom too, Like it's
just your little ritual, right Yeah. And now I like
love like the lights, like the red lights and like
light stem this other light that's really amazing. And just
(36:50):
like I've gotten more technical and like obsessed with just
finding all the new like gadgets, Like yes, like the
thing that you put on your face that has light.
You think it really makes a difference. It really does, really,
that mask thing that the light goes on. Yes, the
good ones. There's a lot of crappy ones right now
I've seen online, but like the light stem is like
(37:11):
insane and the Dennis Gross one is like a really good. Well, Bethany,
we know you need to leave very soon, so we're
gonna ask these last two sliving questions quick slivers. Okay,
what is your definition of success? My definition of success
is sleeping get you know, being rested, feeling healthy, feeling
(37:34):
like I'm being nice, Feeling like I have a handle
on things I didn't like. I've spent good quality time
with my daughter and done good work, and like there's
just a good general balance in my life that feels
that feels like success. I agree, that's nice. And what's
a relationship deal breaker for you? Relationship deal breaker for
(38:00):
me is somebody that wants to be famous, hungry tiger, somebody, Yeah,
somebody that likes the light. I just have never I've
never even really been in relationship with people who even
had a social media account because I would never have
a social media account if I were not a public person.
I find the idea of telling people what I'm doing
(38:21):
and wearing and where I am. Dreadful. Yeah, I hate
guys who are hungry tigers. It's just embarrassing and beyond
I know, and it's hard to tell sometimes it is.
This is some good advice. I feel like this living questions.
It's a it's a lot for us to soak in.
But Bethany, we know you need to leave. So thank
you so much for talking with us. Thank you so much, Bethan.
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Thank you, good luck and congratulations and congratulations on your engagement.
And I can't wait to meet him. Yes, I know
it's all do Dinnerson, I would love it. Awesome, alright,
cool with with the dope with your dope sister, Yes, exactly.
All right, let's go out of your dope sister. We'll
have a triple date. I love it. Alright, have a
good day. This is Paris. Thanks for listening to This
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Hello, Paris, Hi, how are you feeling great? Another week
of the podcast. I feel like it's just getting better
and better. I know, I'm loving this. It's so much fun.
I'm so happy to have you here with me. It's
been fantastic. And you you My birthday was this week
and you sent me a lovely, lovely little message that
I got to play on Nightly Pop and the one
(00:23):
comment was that, all of a sudden, I've got a
lot of star power and that's never happened before. So
I you know, I have to thank you. You made
me look really cool to my coworkers. It was very hot.
Speaking of hot people, Uh, today's guest is someone who's
(00:43):
been in your life for a very long time, and
she's seen you grow from the very beginning. She's seen
that's hot girl from the very beginning. Who is today's guest.
Today's guest is Bethany Frankel. Yeah. How long have you
known Bethany? I've known Bethany since I was a little girl. Wow.
And it's because you was your nanny, right? Yes? How crazy?
Is that? Very strange? It's weird that like even even
(01:07):
the people who worked in your life also became mega
television stars. Yes, I have the golden touch. I really hope, So,
I really hope. So No, I'm not going to take
credit for that. I'm joking. But she's just brilliant. She's funny,
she's smart, she's a go getter, she's strong, and she's
(01:27):
such a character. I love her. I think we'll have
a fun time with Bethany today. And Bethany just got engaged,
so congrats to her. That's amazing. Hopefully we get to
meet the guy at some point. Looks like everyone's getting engaged.
But you yeah, you know what I just did the
instead person, I just got a dog. I adopted a
dog yesterday. Yeah, so once, once she becomes potty trained,
(01:50):
maybe you'll meet her. But I'm not gonna let her.
As much as as cool as it would be to say,
my dog pooped in Paris Sultan's house, I'm not going
to do that. What kind of dog. Um, She's two
years old and she's some sort of sheep dog mix
and she's so sweets, the most loving dog in the world,
which is a great transition back to our guests. What
type of nanny was she? Was? She? You know, easy going, strict,
(02:14):
definitely not strict. She was like really cool and fun
and I was just always excited when she would pick
us up at school and like take us to the
pet store McDonald's. She was a lot of fun. She's
always been fun. She just like has this personality that's
just like fun and she just likes to live life
and have a good time and make jokes and just
(02:34):
has always had that personality forever. I think outgoing and
relaxed is like the ideal nanny you can have. And
then the fact that she became a TV superstar is
just an added bononous. But of course, you've surrounded yourself
with really cool, really successful people your entire life, and
I'm excited to meet this one. It's Bethani Frankelin. This
(02:57):
is Paris, all right. Welcome Ethany. Thank you. You already
know Paris more than most people might know. You were
Paris Is nanny originally. Yeah, I mean Kathy sort of
(03:20):
called it that. I feel like it's given me a
better title than it was. But after school, I would
I would pick them up from school and take them
to school, and then we do activities and we go
to Century City and I would take you girls to
get like you always wanted to go to the pet
store and get ferrets, and Nikki always wanted to go
to rampage to get closed or not. It was a rampage, yeah,
(03:42):
like a rampage and Judy's and like, yeah, to get closed.
Yeah exactly. But so and I worked at their mom's
store called the Staircase, wrapping presents. So yeah, I guess
that's sort of nanny It's right, nanny adjacent. Yeah, that's
pretty close. So what ages was this between for Paris? Um,
(04:04):
how old were you at Kyle's wedding? No idea. So
I feel like that was you maybe were like thirteen.
I mean she was twenty six, I think so. I mean, yeah,
you were probably like thirteen fourteen, and um, it was
probably like three years prior to that. They were young.
(04:26):
I mean they were little little you know, from when
they were little girls. I mean, uh, your brothers were
the babies, and I remember when, um, I think one
of your brothers was born or not. You know, they
were little kids. They didn't really interact with as much
as Paris and Dicky. Um, but they were fun and
they were very different back then. And Paris was running
sort of the show at Kyle's wedding. I'll never forget
(04:49):
you had like an entourage at Kyle's wedding of all
the other young kids or cousins. I wish I paid
more attention now, but there was a crew you had
in place. I don't remember any of that. Yes, I
would love to hear about it. Yeah, yeah, you just
you know, you were just you just had a presence
even in within that wedding, Like you were taller and
(05:09):
seemed older than all these little kids, but they were
sort of all following you. How would you describe me
as a child. Um, you were very sweet, and you
loved I mean, like now, you loved animals. You really
really really loved animals. I think I sort of knew
you thought about modeling, but I didn't. It didn't seem
(05:32):
that way from my perspective, that makes any sense, like
it you just seem sort of free spirit, like a
free spirit. But you were both pretty quiet. I have
to say you and Nikki were both pretty quiet. But
I mean I was so native, I didn't know who
anybody was or anything. I just met Um. I was
working at Lascala as a hostess, and that's how I
met Kyle through a crazy story and met Kathy through
(05:54):
Kyle who needed someone to help her in the store,
and then it led to helping her out with Paris
and Nikki, which is who I was, one who would
do ten different jobs, didn't matter. And at that same
restaurant with Scala. I didn't know what that restaurant was.
It was just the first place that gave me a job,
and I walked in and asked for a job to
be a hostess for like eight dollars an hour. I
also got a job looking for Jerry and Linda Bruckheimer
(06:14):
in their home, but they I didn't know who they
were either. So Paris and Nicki and Kathy, I mean
the Hilton's where I guess like later I realized a
big deal. And your parents had met in high school,
and obviously I've heard of the hotel, so that seemed
like a big deal. But like they, I had no
idea that this trajectory to Calm or that Harris was before.
(06:35):
Like people cared who people's kids were that were wealthy.
It just wasn't a thing like that, Like socialites weren't
really a thing like that, So I make any sense.
People cared about celebrities and who people already famous, but
that sort of thing. And I remember this so later
when I heard about all this, I ran into your
mom in the handsons of Nikki, and Nikki was like sixteen,
(06:56):
and I was like, take her out tonight. I'm like,
take her out tonight. And I've been going to night
since four teens. Don't get it twisted. But I wasn't
looking to give anybody else my crazy childhood where I
was like what And I didn't realize because that was
all those sort of Hampton's magazines and New York glossy
magazines of people's being taken pictures at parties like but
these girls were like it girls. I didn't understand what
any of that was. My head was down. So later
(07:17):
I was like what is going on? Like what are
what is this? That these are the girls I would
take for the Parrets. So it was all a surprise
to me. I mean, you know, when I think about
Paris having a posse at Kyle's wedding, it's not but
overall it was a surprise. Did her did her like
life surprise you along the way or did you kind
of were you like it must have to a degree,
(07:38):
like is this what you expected? For Paris. Who would
it not surprise? Who would it not prise? It's not
it's not it's not a life of any other human being.
It's ever lived, So who would it not surprise? Like saying,
did Julius Caesar's life come over here and say hello? Hello?
You know, let'm say hi, this is my this is
my little peanut. Hi. She's big on TikTok. By the way,
(08:03):
so Paris I kind of started selfies and social media
and all this, like TikTok dances. It's all kind of
because of her in a way, like you know what
I mean, do all the glam and all that stuff,
and she looks like a barbe and she does all
that kind of girly stuff, which she's really smart. But
um to think that I meant, I mean, Nikki had
to be the stage maybe even younger blue eyes my
(08:26):
little blind for those listening right now, this is your daughter,
but then you just pulled in. This is my daughter.
Name is Bryn and she is ten and she does
really she's very going to show your sneakers, goes to
your sneakers and show them what you made. She's very
into art and she is Um loves TikTok. I loves dancing.
She's very creative. She's very free, not unlike the way
(08:46):
Paris was. I would That's how I would describe her.
She was very free. She did not she did not
she looked free, she seemed free. She wanted to be free.
So this is bring just made these cool. I love that. Wow,
just made them. She decided she was going to do
really cool it. She's very artistic. She sketches. Yeah, she's
very artist like fred or something. Yeah, she's she's very talented.
(09:09):
So anyway, um that yeah, I was. It's very surprised.
It was shocking because it was a whole new world
that I didn't understand, and then it was people that
I knew, So it was crazy. Who is more well behaved,
Nikki or me? Nikki was always sort of poise. I
(09:29):
feel like I always a little cold. She always was
like sort of like that. If you know her, she's
really funny and she has a you know, a very
interesting and my sense of humor, and she's gonna drives
sense of humor. But she was always very serious from
my perspective, and she was always into fashion. You loved animals,
she really loved fashion. I don't think you liked fashion
(09:50):
and modeling, but in a different sort of way. I
think she you appreciated it for its beauty and like
as it pertained to you, But I think she cared
about as an art form. But I don't that for
a fact. It just seemed like that that accurate. Yeah,
And I felt Nikki was always the more girly one
and I was like more of a tomboy where animals
and I didn't really care about fashion like the way
(10:12):
Nikki did at all. When did that change? So it
was different When I move to New York, then I
realized I had to start dressing up, So that's my
started copying Nikki style. Well what's crazy and that no
one realizes, um, is that I remember when I used
to take you guys to school and pick you up
(10:32):
after and would hang out with Kyle. She used to say,
Kathy really wants to keep them young. That was like
a big goal, that's the biggest l O L of
all time. But really Cathy wanted to keep them young,
Like that was the You can't blame this on Rick
and Cathy, is what I'm saying. This whole thing that
went down is not Rick and Cathy, it's nicky. They
(10:55):
just did their own they were running their own show.
They were so strict, and I think when you're parent
and you are strict, it makes you want to rebel.
I think it's normal. But I don't think most people
would really believe that they're strict. That's what I'm saying, Like,
really that's their goal when yeah, it's true, when Paris
and Nikki were doing their rebelling, was Kathy did Kathy
(11:16):
say to you anything? Was she like, hey, what how
do I you have any advice would we do? Was
it like something or is it pretty insulated to the family.
I think I was pre rebellion. I think I was
pre rebellion. I think they were just young girls that
came from, you know, a privileged family and they lived
in you know, bel air. But it's like you know,
(11:41):
la la land, you know, so um, they had a
great life. But I don't think the proverbial ship hit
the fan for a couple of years and after that.
But you went that school that I used to take
you to the least say it was at a really
strict school. That wasn't like that was just because she
wanted you to go to that school. That wasn't any
sort of reaction to something else, right, That wasn't like
(12:02):
a discipline everything. It was just a good school. It
was normal Francaid to Los Angeles. It was just like, Yeah,
it was just like a normal, good private school. Yeah,
fancy sounding school I've ever heard of my entire So
did you see the documentary, Bethany? Uh? Yes, Yeah, what
do you think I saw that. I loved it. I
couldn't believe it. I thought it was excellent. I thought
(12:22):
it was revealing. I thought it was interesting. I thought,
you know that the the nuance and the sort of
the stuff with Kathy was really interesting. I thought Nikki
was really great. I thought Harris was very honest, and
it was you know, I thought it was really great
and sad, and to think of, you know, I've had
some crazy things happen in my childhood, and when you're
(12:45):
a kid, you don't really have a voice, and you
also not that it's sad that people won't really listen,
but also things happened so quickly with adults and kids
just sort of say things, and people have many kids,
they say things and they're running by and you kind
of like take it with a grain of salt. And
for example of my daughter, you know, I can tell
in something sort of bothering her, but I really have
(13:05):
to find my way into finding out exactly what that is, because, um,
it's a certain skill set as a parent. And you know,
and I know, Paris, congratulations, you just got engaged and
you want to have kids. It's a skill set as
a parent to really find your way to make your
kids talk to you in a way where they feel
like it's their idea, where that they don't feel like
you're prodding and asking them a question, and you have
(13:28):
to make them feel like there's a safe space. It's
definitely a dance. There's definitely a dance to getting kids
to say something. So I can absolutely see, based on
a lot of the crazy things I've seen as a child,
how that message didn't get related about what was going
on in Paris at that school. I can see how
that happened. And it's crazy that, you know, such big
things can happen without people realizing it, but I can.
(13:50):
I can see it. Yeah, it's hard, intense, it's crazy
that so many people so close to you, I just
had no idea what was going on. Yeah, I didn't
talk about it with anyone. That was something I just
promised myself I would never tell anyone. So I think
when you go through something traumatic in life, like everyone
probably has, you don't really like to think about it
(14:11):
or talk about it off. Yeah, you just blow it
off and you just try to forget. Yeah. Yeah, and
then you sort of do forget, and then you wonder
if you were if you're being dramatic and thinking about
it back the way that it was, even though you
know that it was because you have all the memories
that it but you kind of your mind place tricks
on you when you've had traumatic childhood experiences. I have
(14:32):
that exactly, not that I have experiences like that, so
I know, But doesn't doesn't your mind play tricks on you? Definitely?
Do you open up to your kids at all about
those from Like at what age do you tell your
because at some point Paris, you're gonna have to, you know,
tell your kiddos about a lot of stuff you went through. Um,
have you had any of those conversations Bethany with like, Hey,
(14:52):
this is some of the hard stuff that I dealt with. Um,
you do it in a little in pieces, you know,
you do it in pieces and my daughter has to
meet my mother, and why hadn't she, which she did recently,
but to talk about you know, it wasn't exactly the
same child that you experience, and you kind of bring
it back to them and how lucky they are and
I had it different and and not. You know, you
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don't give them the whole, You give them little pieces
to you at a time, versus the whole, entire the whole,
entire meal, because it would be completely overwhelming and alienating.
And you know, you just want to keep kids as
pure as you possibly can, which is exactly the thing
that didn't happen with you, Paris or me. But you
try to have the best experience for them that you
can while also having them realize that bad things happen
(15:36):
in the world. And there's something to be said for
surviving something. You know, there's something to be said for
getting through something and being a person who has survived
something and the strength that that you know gives you
mm hmm. Speaking of kind of being that good influence, you,
I think are setting a very good example for a
(15:56):
lot of women everywhere as an entrepreneur and an advocate
and really kind of there's nothing you haven't done and
done well, at least from what I saw. How do
you kind of pass that stuff on to your daughter?
What are you telling her? Um? I mean, I don't
know that I want that stuff for my daughter, per se.
You know, I don't actually know that. I like, you know,
(16:18):
I would not have done these speakers the way she
she just did that. And I'm not as free as
she is, and I like that for her. I want
her to fly and I want her to have that freedom.
You know, I nurtured. She's very sweet. She's a very
good person. I am strict indulgent, so with her, you know,
she she I don't want to say she spoiled, because
(16:40):
she's not spoiled at all. But she has a privileged life.
But she never crosses the line because if she comes
even close to the line, she gets checked. And it's
not a joke, like she's scared and there's a healthy
fear that she has of me. And that's okay. I
don't negotiate with terrorists, so I don't play games, and
I don't I don't bluff, so so with her, it's
a very interesting combination of her having this amazing life
(17:01):
and these great experiences. But if she takes it too far,
it all gets shut down. And I literally said to
a couple of years ago, it was the day before
New Year's Eve, I said, this next year is going
to go to one or two ways. I said, we
could do it the easy way of the hard way,
and she said, what's the hard way? So the hard
way is you're challenging and you you do do things
that you know that mommy is not gonna like, and uh,
(17:23):
it will not be very easy year. And I've taken
on because she was happy. She was the first and
only really bad, sort of bitchy mood she's ever been in.
And I said I had taken on. You know, women
a lot more challenging than you. And she said, what's
the easy way? And I said, you'd just be a sweet,
sweet little peanut because I call her peanut and a
good person. And life's gonna you know, life with me
is gonna be really really easy. She said, all do
(17:44):
the easy way. I said, okay, right, yeah, yes, So
she's she's you know, she's into what she's into and
I think it's great to nurture that. And no one's
looking for another me. This is Paris, This is Paris,
(18:11):
so you were on Real House as in New York
City and you quit because you just said it was
exhausting and stressful. What do you think of it now? Um?
You know, when I went on, I was broke. I
got paid seven thousand, two fifty dollars for this season,
which is presumably less than what your mom is probably
gonna be getting paid, if that rumor is true. And
(18:31):
we could talk about that if you want, um, but uh,
I went on. I was in a studio, I keia
furnished apartment. I was broke. I at everything. I had nothing.
I didn't mean to have anything to lose, and I
really wanted to be something and do something and create something,
and I had I've always looked at the board like
a check, like a chessboard, just the moves, several moves ahead,
(18:54):
like you talked about, you were thinking on simple life.
And so I left after three years because I just
I don't do some think if I don't like it
or it doesn't make me feel good about myself or
depending upon the part point in my life on that.
So I left, which was surprising to people because you
don't usually leave something that's ascending. And then years a later,
I was offered UM a number I couldn't refuse. I
(19:15):
felt that I couldn't refuse to connect back with this audience,
and I went back and still man. Then was interesting
because I managed to go back on very different terms
literally legal, different terms legally, and also just I had
accomplished something. I had turned a brand for. You know,
I've been on the cover of Forbes, So I was
able to have this other career and still do that.
But there got to be a point where it didn't
(19:36):
really make much sense why I was there anymore. I
was literally there because of the money. It was just
a lot of money at that point for me, you know,
a very big number. I was being paid and UM
and I had left in the ratings had significantly changed,
and I'd come back and they said changed back. So
it was it was good at a good street cred there,
and I just left because, um, it came not who
(20:00):
I really was anymore. And you know, you can't stay
somewhere or you can't do something out of fear just
because it was a really good paycheck. I just wanted
to sort of not be It's just not what I
wanted to be doing anymore. I didn't want to be
having those conversations. I didn't want to be arguing about
things that really don't matter to me. And uh, I
(20:21):
think it's changed. So I was there in the beginning
when it was something that none of us really even
knew what it was, and now it's something that is
uh preeky. People have a pre you know, preconceived notion
about it and they know what they think what's going
to happen. I mean, how many charity events can we
go to, how many friends can we not support on
vacations and how much drama do we want to avoid
(20:42):
and then go right into the drama on the vacation.
So I just you know, the time had come. Yeah,
that was What do you think about your mom doing it?
If that's true? Um well, my sister and I were
just talking about this my mom when we first found
out about it. She was like, no, I'm not doing it,
and she was like just not telling us the truth basically.
(21:03):
Um So I think my sister and I we just
you know, we love our moms so much, We're so
close and that show is just like what you're saying,
there's just a lot of drama. There's a lot of
like unnecessary arguments and you know that's drama is what
gets ratings and what cells. So just we just don't
really want our mom being involved in that drama. Nicky
(21:27):
and I were talking about it, like, if there was
not a pandemic happening right now and she wasn't so
bored at home, there's no way that she would have
said yes to this. You know. Also she's at a
different age, her kids are grown. You know, some women,
a lot of the women that do that. You know,
Kelsey Grammer's wife was going through a divorce then came
onto the show. Um, some people go on and you know,
(21:49):
Yolanda add I guess was having issues in her relationship
and marriage and probably only she really knew that, and
so you come onto the show. Uh, some people do it.
Dorinda had a you know, her husband had died years before,
and you come onto the show. Sometimes it's just someone
wants the next chapter. So it could be that you are,
you are all grown, you have you're engaged, nick he's
(22:10):
got kids, the boys are getting older. Everyone's got their
own life. And she and Rick are great. But you know,
she hasn't had like a quote unquote traditional career path.
Let's just say maybe she wants to just like do
something or be something, or you know, maybe she is
a little bored. Maybe it's just like something to define
her in some way. Yeah, what do you think your
(22:31):
mom wants out of this? Just entertainment probably, And I
don't think that she'll get involved in the drama hopefully. Well,
I don't think, you know, she necessarily needs to. I
feel like sometimes maybe that is an inclination because you're, like,
I want to be the star of the show, and
so maybe you're willing to step into this a little
bit more. What whatever Bethany did obviously worked because not
(22:56):
only is it you know, your organization, but also be
Strong is like you've turned what was, you know, not
always the most positive experience into helping so many people
tell us a little bit about be Strong. Well, be
Strong is great because, um, it's very unique. It's a
(23:16):
relief initiative. We are now. Um we've now distributed more
than eighty million dollars in aid in three years with
literally me and a partner and the tiniest staff you
can imagine, they're probably they're one to two full time people.
That's it. Of all of the aid and money raise
(23:38):
goes directly to the people. So it's a no BS,
totally rogue UH disaster relief initiative where we've we've given
over twenty million dollars in ppe UH intern internationally and
hit all fifty states with hospitals and police stations and
fire stations. We have been to. We've been to Guatemala,
(24:01):
to Australia, to North Carolina, dozens of times, to Puerto
Rico and back with fifty three planes there and fifty
three planes back filled with aid and patients and barge
barges and cruise ships and cargo ships and the Bahamas
same thing, many planes in and out and we have
just done um. We're in the midst of a seven
(24:22):
figure UH relief effort in Texas. So the point is
it's like it's now become like business, where I can
I have tried, I've I've proven myself in this space,
so I can just come up and raise money and
we have a sixty thou script of warehouse that year
round is filled with aid. Just today, Bird's Bees reached out.
(24:44):
Every week it's some major company that reaches out and
wants to help us with aid, and some major celebrity
that wants to give us you know, hundreds of thousands
of dollars. So it's a real um, it's a real
effort now where it used to be like literally couldn't
get hot be honest to give me twelve pairs of
rainbow for Hurricane Harvey in Texas, literally that, And now
(25:04):
we can get millions and millions of dollars of water
and hydration kits and ppe and just everything. So we
are not political. We uh, we take money from Republicans, Democrats.
We don't complain, we don't blame. The second something hits
disaster like hurricanes could be still hitting a place like
the Bahamas, and we're ready in motion, We're ready on
(25:26):
the ground. We already you know where the needs are.
We have the trust of the people. Were completely transparent
about exactly where every dollar is going in the moment,
in real time. So we're doing something that no one
else is doing and and has really never been done
in this way because we don't screw around. We don't
hold rubber chicken dinners to raise money. We don't do
bureaucratic red red tape. It's called just like figure it
(25:47):
out immediately and get it done. So it's really rewarding
and gratifying, and we have saved thousands and thousands of lives.
That's incredible. I really applaud me for that and really
admire you for that. It's amazing. Also, I wanted to
ask you another question because you have just built this
incredible empire and brand, and I know a lot of
(26:09):
our listeners would love to hear your advice on how
to do that. Well, it's like Game of Thrones, you
protect the realm. I know you and I had this
conversation in Paris when we were on when you were
on my podcast, and it's funny because I don't talk
this much on my podcast and you're talking less than
you came when you were the guests. You know, Um,
(26:30):
you know what I'm saying. Like I I talked, I
don't talk about myself on my own and you you're
not talking about yourself. Uh So it's interesting. Um, But
we did talk about this in Paris and I both
know what it means to look at the board as
a chess board, and you know, because you may not
always accomplish each thing the way that you're planning it,
but that you're aware there are several moves ahead and
(26:52):
you're trying to do things right now to make those
moves happen. In that way, if you're seeing the Queen's gambit,
you have to be thinking fifty steps head um that
it is protecting the realm, it's protecting the brand that
you know, it's hard to build a real business without
a big group of people. But it's hard to be
a public personality and have so many people around you
(27:13):
because trusting people is difficult. And that's part of protecting
the realm, which I know Paris does also UM agree
with because we had a good talk about that on
my show. UM. And it's really old school hard work,
just the way that anybody worked in the fifties without
cell phones or before fax machines or social media or
any of this. Like, it's old school hard work. And
(27:36):
I do find I have a new show, The Big
Shot with Bethany about finding um my number two in
my operation. And you know, it's astounding how much people
really just want shortcuts to success. And if you really
understand what you're doing, and you have a drive and
a passion and a determination and a focus which could
change because your brand could change, you cannot imagine how
(27:59):
far you will go by just being a person who's
willing to do what other people aren't and work hard
like other people aren't. It's really about old school hard work.
What network does that come out on? Again? Atrio Max,
April nine, Nice, I can't wait to watch that. This
is Paris, This is seven Next Living Questions. Where did
(28:24):
sliving come from? I made it up? Um. It's a
word that I made up on Halloween like two years ago,
and it basically means slang and living your best life
into one word. Oh, okay, slang and living your best life. Okay,
I like it, adopt it? Okay, I don't think I'm
(28:47):
young enough to adopt it, but I don't know. We'll
say you say you're pretty hip. I've listened to you
on the podcast. Don't you refer to yourself as a gangster? Yes?
I don't even I may be. Yeah, I mean I
am a half a gangster, but yeah, but I'm not.
I don't protect I just don't know. Like Nikki says
(29:08):
dope all the time, I'm I don't think you're allowed
to say dope. How old do you nick? You have
two children? You're rough child? I don't say that's dope.
Was dope? But like you sound like a dope saying dope.
So yeah, so Nikki is like very cool and says dope,
and I just I don't think I get away of
saying dope by other things. Yeah, but um, I'm you know,
(29:28):
I'm only cool in certain ways. I'm not cool. I
don't understand anything about social media. I'm a dinosaur. I
don't even own a computer and I've had everything is
on the phone. So I'm not good at certain things
that are hipped. They're dope. Cool world saying dope. You
can get away with it. You get away with it perfect,
(29:53):
all right. What is your spirit animal? What is my
spirit animal? My daughter? My daughter, and my dogs Biggie Smalls.
They're my spirit animals, Biggie Smalls. I love that there
are two dogs, Biggie and Smalls. They're one. I know
you love dogs. They lick each other, they clean each other.
So and he used my baby. They're my spirit animals. Anyway, Sorry,
(30:17):
we're sliving living. I like it. Well. I think you
should say this is slivin. This is slivin living babies.
You used it great, by the way, that felt really good.
I felt really natural. It added a lot to the
word thank you. Inside and I got into my character.
I felt good inside. It was dope in a good way. Okay,
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what is your sign? And are you like your sign?
I am a Scorpio and you already know the answer
to that. I do sting. I am intense, I am passionate,
and it is said to be the most sexual sign
in the zodiac. So I'm a sexual person. That doesn't
mean quantity, that just means quality. Are you dating anybody
(31:04):
right now? Paul, who I've been together with for a
few years now, lucky guy, huh loves that scorpio. He's
a good guy. First kiss, you have one minute to
tell us everything. My first kiss Mark Rosenbloom Hot Skates,
roller Rink and limb Brook. We see that square awesome
(31:26):
Celantano's frozen pizza in the orange booth and we kiss
on roller Skates's good Kisser roller skates. First kiss is
awkward enough, But on roller skates, I could do anything
on roller skates. There's not much I couldn't do on
roller skates. That is not a joke. I was. I
was in I lived in this roller skate link in Limbrook,
(31:47):
New York, closed and the owner sent me pictures of
myself there. I used to emailed me like I was
a fixture there because again back to my challenging childhood,
I would be dropped off at the roller rink at
nine o'clock in the morning, had picked up at nine
o'clock at night. So there's really not that much. I
was once trying to get into a club in New
York and you would know exactly the club, Halo club
(32:08):
in New York City called Halo. It was it stairs, stairs,
stairs to go. So it was Halloween. Back to Halloween.
I was dressed up as roller roll and I was
on roller skates and the guy said, you can't come
in because the skates and I said, excuse me, I said,
what are you talking about? Like it's not safe. I go,
I can I can do more on these skates and
I kind of my feet I could do. I could
do a car wheel. He was prove it. I did
(32:29):
a car wheel on the street in front of Halo.
When he let me in, I'd walk all down those stairs.
And I love that story. When I was like seventeen
or no, when I was eighteen, when I started going
to clubs in l A, I would wear these shoes
that you press a button and like the roller skates
would pop out and I would call myself like roller
roller girl of the two thousands, and I would every
Wednesday at this club last Palmise always wear my roller
(32:51):
skate shoes and was so much fun. I love them.
My daughter has them. They're called roll Yes they were
talking about like, yes, that's awesome, so fun. So I
brought back memories. Okay, Um, what is the most rewarding
part of your job? The most rewarding part of my
(33:12):
job is definitely the relief work, the amount that we're
able to accomplish just based on me working so hard
for all this time. And then, Um, I just like
accomplishing things. I like executing ideas. I like being good
at something. I like proving to myself and other people
that if you work really hard, there's really not much
that you can get done. And so I come from
place of yes in that way, like if I say
(33:34):
I can get done, it can get done. So I
like the rewarding aspect of that, just hitting new goals
and and setting new goals and then accomplishing them. I agree.
What is your top beauty secret? This is not I
never I'm wearing makeup today because I did hs and
oh the glasses you like, Paris. I told everybody love
(33:57):
your sunglass line. I'm gonna send you all that the
thirtys and they look like they're two Emerald Green sending
you up. I'll send you every pair. But there's amazing.
I'm saying, yeah, the first, this is the first, Bethany,
you have a brand called Paris. My brand is not
has been Skinny Girl. I've never launched a Bethany product
of Verse. This is Bethany, thank you. So I'm never
(34:21):
in makeup, and I mean I'm not. I don't just
say that I'm always in pajamas that I'm never in makeup.
I just don't like it. I don't like my hair.
I just like to be free. So my good my
best beauty tip. It's not about a brand, because I
don't believe that only one brand is better, because I
think it's really marketing. I think it's about being consistent.
So uh, using like a good grainy exfoliating scrub if
(34:44):
you don't have very sensitive skin, once or twice a week,
especially if you're wearing makeup um on just slightly damp skin,
like not really what skinned, because it's like really becomes
a good exploliator, and then right after that putting like
a hydrating sheet mask or a face alan. I believe
in that. And then I believe then whenever you're in
(35:04):
a hotel, like a wash cloth, like a good sort
of almost cheap wash cloth or like baby wash cloths
are just good because they get all of this makeup
on them, so you don't want them to do your
fancy towels, but they're such good exfoliators and um like
just good clay clay masks. So I believe like just
cleaning out your skin really well and then really feeding
and hydrating in particularly when you get older. And there
(35:26):
was one thing you just said that that made me
think of what another good beauty timp was, and I
just had it. I'll think of it a second. It
was some oh girls, because you have you have a
young audience, clean your makeup brushes. It's gross. It's how
you break out, and nobody does it enough. Clean your
damn makeup brushes. And when after you clean them, it
could be with just shampoo or whatever, lay them on
(35:47):
the side because if you lay them in a cut
like the water will seep down and rock the brushes.
And then if you in between the big cleanings. Just
use good good wipes to clean them off every time
you put them on your face. So just sitting outside
and collecting bacteria that I can say, that's really good.
Don't ever go to bed with that. Don't ever go
to bed without without cleaning your makeup ball. That's yeah,
(36:09):
that's like the number one I. I can't do that ever.
I'm like obsessed with skin here alright, what's your favorite
my favorite beauty secret? My favorite one was when I
was like eight, my mom taught me to stay out
of the sun and then also about everything to do
with skincare, like washing your face and putting on the
(36:29):
I creams and neck creams and serums and like this's
like twelve step process. So I've been literally doing that
since I seven. It's good. It's a good feeling, and
it's your alone time in the bathroom too, Like it's
just your little ritual, right Yeah. And now I like
love like the lights, like the red lights and like
light stem this other light that's really amazing. And just
(36:50):
like I've gotten more technical and like obsessed with just
finding all the new like gadgets, Like yes, like the
thing that you put on your face that has light.
You think it really makes a difference. It really does, really,
that mask thing that the light goes on. Yes, the
good ones. There's a lot of crappy ones right now
I've seen online, but like the light stem is like
(37:11):
insane and the Dennis Gross one is like a really good. Well, Bethany,
we know you need to leave very soon, so we're
gonna ask these last two sliving questions quick slivers. Okay,
what is your definition of success? My definition of success
is sleeping get you know, being rested, feeling healthy, feeling
(37:34):
like I'm being nice, Feeling like I have a handle
on things I didn't like. I've spent good quality time
with my daughter and done good work, and like there's
just a good general balance in my life that feels
that feels like success. I agree, that's nice. And what's
a relationship deal breaker for you? Relationship deal breaker for
(38:00):
me is somebody that wants to be famous, hungry tiger, somebody, Yeah,
somebody that likes the light. I just have never I've
never even really been in relationship with people who even
had a social media account because I would never have
a social media account if I were not a public person.
I find the idea of telling people what I'm doing
(38:21):
and wearing and where I am. Dreadful. Yeah, I hate
guys who are hungry tigers. It's just embarrassing and beyond
I know, and it's hard to tell sometimes it is.
This is some good advice. I feel like this living questions.
It's a it's a lot for us to soak in.
But Bethany, we know you need to leave. So thank
you so much for talking with us. Thank you so much, Bethan.
(38:44):
Thank you, good luck and congratulations and congratulations on your engagement.
And I can't wait to meet him. Yes, I know
it's all do Dinnerson, I would love it. Awesome, alright,
cool with with the dope with your dope sister, Yes, exactly.
All right, let's go out of your dope sister. We'll
have a triple date. I love it. Alright, have a
good day. This is Paris. Thanks for listening to This
(39:09):
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