EP 1,056 - Jorge Masvidal (UFC Superstar/Gamebred Bareknuckle) - I AM RAPAPORT: STEREO PODCAST

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Speaker 1 (00:11):
All right, Brandon Bing and I am Rapports Stereo Podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
This here, I am so excited.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
For today's special guest, the UFC Baddest motherfucker, the baddest
motherfucking title holder, Jorgey Masdaval aka game Bred aka Street Jesus,
one of the most charismatic, interesting, fantastic shit talking compelling

(00:41):
personalities in all of UFCMMA history.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
I have been at his fights, I have watched him.
He's great.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
He was discovered by the great Kimbo Slice Rip.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
This is a.

Speaker 1 (00:57):
Fantastic, fantastic interview with the one, the Only jor Hey
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That Dost brother. Start this puppy off for something real nice.

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Start this puffy off with something real loud, but most importantly,
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Speaker 2 (01:23):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
All right, or Hey, Mas Deval, game Bread Street Jesus,
fantastic fighter, fantastic career, fantastic shit talker. I know you'll
be a fantastic promoter and I'm a big fan. I'm
a big fan of big fan of your fighting, big
fan of your your whole persona. Well, I guess when

(01:55):
you're fighters, is it is it a persona? How much
of fighting nowadays is persona versus.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
It's some yet some No, I think in other things
like maybe w w F, it is more persona. I
think in fighting the fighters amplify their persona like that.
A lot of them are this way and then they're like,
amplify it for the camera. Some guys are complete fucking
wack job or skit that you could tell right off rip.
But I think most guys it's it's like a heighten

(02:23):
cel phone of themselves, you know, to promote yourselves, to
promote themselves. And also it's just like, you know, if
me and you were gonna have combat with each other,
there's like adrenaline pumping through me and you as we're
looking right here at each other. I'm sizing you up.
So I'm looking at your wrists, at your hands, all
this stuff. I'm like, how do they thinking? You know,
I mean when you look at when they're nice, which
is not a good compliment for fighting, man, they don't

(02:45):
look like fighter hands, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
No, they're not fighting. They're not fighter hands.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, civilian looking hands. You know, they don't have all
these cuts and bruises and mutations on them, so they
look you know, in that you get a little crazy, right.
So if we're like standing next to each other, it
might be more more than you usually might be on
a regular day. But that's because we're gonna have combat
with each other on top of that. It only sells,
So I think the characters getting amplified. But a lot

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of these guys are really like that in real life.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
You know, who is whacked out of their tree in UFC?

Speaker 1 (03:16):
Like, who are the guys who were like this guy
is like, you know, like I'm concerned about him outside
of fighting. Like who's like sort of on the edge
or retired guys that are on the edge at this point.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
There's a bunch of them. I just I can't be
a state informant and say the names. But there's a
bunch of dudes out there that are rowdy. Man, A
lot of people think I'm rowdy. There's a lot of
guys behind closed doors are like pretty damn rowdy. Tony
Fergus And I'll say a quick Tony story because I
love the guy he just fought. Man, he's a great fighter.
Me and him and Dominic Cruz one thirty five bnamweight champion,

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we were all hanging out one day and Tony was
It was after one of his fights, he had one,
and we're hanging out in a hotel like rooftop and
Tony started like placeballing with me, and I was like, oh,
just like, I don't really want to do this. You know,
everybody's drink and smoke and this is not something that
I want to do because they could escalate quick. So
I was kind of like, oh yeah, And he did
a couple punches and kicks, and he wanted to keep escalating.

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I was like, no, no, that that's cool, you know,
and I like sat out and Tony was still hyped,
you know, and he was doing the same thing with Dominick,
and they were starting to escalate more and more and more.
And then at some point Tony grabs like a cushion
of a seat and he tells Dominic, hey, give me
a give me a leg kick, you know. He told
me to give him leg kick first, let me let

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me let me feel when real quick. And then I
hit him with the cushion and then he took the
cushion off. He said, kicked me again, and I kicked
him again, but not like hard. He's like, no, come on,
kick me for real and I was like, no, that's
that's the way. He's like, come on, man, I just
I just want to feel a little pain. And I
was like, nah, it's okay, that's cool, and I sat down.
So he looks at Dominic Cruise and Dominic he tells
Dominic Cruz a come kick my leg. Dominic gets up

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and fucking mutilated hits him with like three of them
as heart as he fucking couldn him. He's like, oh,
it was pretty good, bro. Like there's some people out
there just built different. This is like twelve o'clock at
night too, Like what do you after a fight? After fight?
Why are you worried about low kicks and this? And that?
He's different, man, he's a different dude.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
If you were Ferguson's trainer, you're friendly with him, a
matter of how friendly. What would you say to do
with his career now? Because he had I believe it
was twelve straight wins and now it's six losses and
the losses are getting worse.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
I mean, it just happens to all of us. It's
easier for me to say now than it would have
when I was competing. But now that I'm retired, I
could look at him and be like, man, you're not
the same guy that you once wore. There's a lot
of guys beating you. They never would have beat you,
never would have held even your jogstrap in your prime.
Maybe that that time has come in and there's some
fighters that they can't ever let go of the sport.

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They just have to compete. It's in him. I just
wouldn't want to see Tony get hurt, man, because I'm
a huge fan of this guy, big support of this guy.
And though he had moments in this fight, he dropped
green and stuff and then he got he had the ipoke.
I just I don't see him how it used to be.
So I don't want to see guys beating him. They
could have never beat him in this prime.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
For you, you're out now, but you sort of seem
like you're still circling. Possibly you did a fantastic tweet.
Maybe that's why you were late. Maybe it took you
a long time to tweet that you did a good tweet.
I think it was saying I got cte man, I'm
just messing with you.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
But you did a tweet to Connor.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I think that was today, Yeah, that was today. That
I was today.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
What would get you back into fighting now?

Speaker 3 (06:32):
It's not necessarily even that Connor gave me back in
the fight. It would, uh, it would just have to
be something a lot crazier than I've ever seen in
the past on the money side, you know, And because
I'm doing well now and I just don't feel that
I have my same reflexes, the same endurance in some
of the departments, So why put a lesser version of

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myself out there unless the reward is so great then yeah,
you know, because I all the way up to like
thirty five, my reflexes in the gym remained the same
when I was like nineteen, all the way to thirty five.
Maybe small that I couldn't barely feeling dip, but it
was nothing really. But from thirty five to thirty eight
is when I started feeling it in the gym, like

(07:12):
I'm getting hit a lot more with things I'm not
seeing you you know yet, me notices.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
Like just like moving out of the way or rolling
like of it.

Speaker 3 (07:21):
So we're here, right, and as we get closer and
closer to each other, you have less time to process
whatever data you're giving me. Right, So those things i'd
be like very close and I could see everything coming.
Now it's like I don't see everything coming in the
same speed I used toe, you know, because there's a
lot of processes. Your shoulders are moving as you're moving
your head. I know what's coming what's not. And that's
kind of slowed up on me. Ever since I hit

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what like thirty five, thirty six, thirty seven, I started
feeling like it's not the same. So that's why I'm
not I'm not competing anymore because I know that that
part of me is not the same. There's some guys
that just fighters that are going to keep fighting through
no matter what the injuries or or anything they have.
I don't want to be that guy. And so if
I us just step in the ring again, it'd be
like be like a huge fucking paycheck running that I

(08:06):
could not say no to.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
And if you're fighting somebody, you know it's a huge paycheck.
Are you able to compartmentalize the danger or the reality
that your reflexes have changed a little bit, Like I
know you're not there right now, you're retired, but if
that came up, like how do you compartmentalize, Like I'm
putting myself more at risk, I'm not the same fighter,
or like you just gotta go and.

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Set up you gotta do if you're gonna fight, you
gotta switch it up.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Your mode.

Speaker 3 (08:34):
That there's a really real estate that I shouldn't be
involved in. There's real estate that should be involved in,
you know, like the distance where we're fighting. Maybe I'm
grappling more. Maybe maybe I'm striking from the clinch more.
Things like that. You could always adapt in fighting, but
for me personally, the paycheck is the only thing that
would make me adapt.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
You know, we talked about the Errol Spence Crawford fight.
What was your impression of that.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
I love Crawford. I think this guy's a beast. I
discovered Crawford because I was a huge following of EUROSA
Cuban gold medalists from from Cuba, Olympic gold medalist A
destruction path. I mean he he was mopping up everybody
he came across. Then he was fighting Terrence. Obviously I
was going for Gombo and when Terrence beat him, I

(09:21):
was like, who the fuck is this? So since that fight,
I followed all of Terrence's fights till now. I was
leaning towards Terrence, but I thought Spence was going to
be the toughest test of his career, giving the weight
to speed, the defense, and Spence is no slouch. Man.
This guy is like fucking good in every department. He
could throw every punch in the book. He sees everything coming.

(09:41):
I just thought this was gonna be a tough fight,
way more competitive. Terrence is from another planet. Man. He
reminds you of the guys from the sixties, seventies and eighties,
Like this guy's mean, athletic and is not scared, and
he's willing to put it on the line, you know,
from one to jump all the way to to fight
the best guy in the world, undisputedly. It shows the

(10:03):
line up here. He even wants to go to one
hundred and fifty four now, so this sky's a limit
for this guy. Man.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
If your Errol, would you, I mean, obviously when you
lose you want to rematch?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
Would you? Being a promoter, obviously it's gonna make money.
But do you think that.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Errol could beat Bud Crawford, but on what you saw
the other day, based on what it's other than they know,
he's just better than nobody's better than Crawford.

Speaker 3 (10:27):
But I don't also know the intricacy of it. Maybe
had a bad way. I don't know. I'm not trying
to make it not gotcha for Earl, But I just
don't know all the details. So maybe there is some
factors that could give a better outcome. But from what
I saw as a fan, I would say Terrence wins now.
As a promoter, yeah, I'd promote the crap out of
that second fight, But as like a coach for Spence,

(10:49):
I'd wait because when you lose, especially your first loss
is like like that devastating. You got to give the
guy time the race. You don't want to throw him
back into two three months later. His brain hasn't even healed,
you know, his his chin is the same because of this.
And then the top of everything is the confidence. So
from coaching standpoint, you know, they'd probably the best thing
would be set them out for some time, you know,
six months minimum.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Definitely explain to me what was your prime weight, like,
what was your most comfortable weight to fight?

Speaker 3 (11:16):
At so in MMA, we don't have as many weight
classes as boxing, So I used to compete at one
hundred and fifty five pounds and I started there from
eighteen all the way to like I want to say,
twenty nine years old. Towards a later end of my career,
it was very hard because I uh, since around like
twenty five years old, I'd walk around one hundred and
eighty pounds one hundred and eighty four and then cut
down a one fifty five. But when you're younger, losing

(11:38):
the water is easy, and when you put it back
you're not one hundred percent, but you're close to it.
So in the beginning part of my career it wasn't
It wasn't the craziest after like twenty four to twenty
five years old, when I put on more size, one
hundred and fifty five pounds was very, very demanding. So
the easiest weight cuts from me have been at one
hundred and seventy pounds.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
That's where you like, probably most comfortable.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Yeah, So by the time I started training, if I
train five six weeks, my weight comes down to about
one hundred and eighty four to one hundred and eighty two. Pounds.
Then the fight week, I'll be walking in there like
one seventy nine, one seventy eight something like this, maybe
as heavy as I'll get. It's like one eighty and
this is nothing, you know, I'll just I'll cut that
weight quick, make one hundred and seventy pounds, and like

(12:19):
two sessions of working out. You know, at one hundred
and fifty five, I'd died down from like one eighty
all the way down to like one seventy two, and
from one seventy two lose all the water to get
to one hundred and fifty five pounds.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
So when you guys talk about cutting the water weight
and all that stuff, and you're training, and I imagine,
and I want to ask you, like, when you're at
your best, when you're at your most fit, when you're
at your most focused, what a day is like. But
when you're working out and expending so much energy, training, sparring, running,
doing whatever the it is you guys do, and you're
you know, not giving yourself that amount of food because naturally,

(12:55):
after you work out, people want to eat. Is that
the wh when fighters talk about the sacrifice, I hurt.
Mike Tyson talk about something he said, you know, when
he was training, he was always in a bad mood,
and it was because of this that, but it was
also like, you know, we're starving ourselves and I've went
on diets. You see I look great, I look fantastic,
I look awesome. But you know, like when you're not

(13:15):
when you're depriving yourself of food, you know, you could
be ornery. You know, like if you're not giving or
even if you're like I'm not drinking coffee or whatever.
So is that one of the things when you guys
talk about the sacrifices, because that's always where fighters talk
about sacrifice.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Obviously it's a sacrific family and all that stuff, but
talk about that like that. I know. I asked a
few different things.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
The calorie intake every fighter is obviously different, but it's
also in what stage of the fight you're at. So
if you're like two weeks away, if you're a month away,
if you're a day awaits, it's very different. So I'll
give you like a rundown when I'm cutting water. If
if I was going to compete on Saturday Friday, would
be the waynes at like nine am, right, so I'd train,

(13:53):
you know, i'd get into where it. Let's say the
fight was in Las Vegas. I'd get in there either
the friday before or that weekend before, and I'd go
about my days regular. I'd maybe have one meal a day,
which would be kind of decent size me, you know,
maybe depending on my weight, some rice and salmon with
a lot of vegetables, and then just snacks throughout the day.
And I'll have one to two workout today and i

(14:15):
won't be cutting off the water. I'll be drinking as
much water at this point. So Monday, Tuesday and up
to Wednesday, and I'm drinking as much as I can.
I'm trying to get gallons in my system and I'll
have a minimum of one gallon a day without even blinking.
But if i could get to two, even better, because
I'm gonna it's gonna come back to me. I'm not
eating anything with salt or trying to have as little
sodium as possible. And right around Thursday afternoon five six

(14:40):
pm is when I'll start the weight cut. You know,
this is at one hundred and seventy pounds. At one
fifty five is a little bit different for me. And
let's say I'll lose anywhere from like six to eight pounds.
I'll get on the scale, I'll see where I'm at.
I'll drink some water. I'll go to seek because I
don't want to go to see dehydrated. So maybe I'll
drink like a pound a pound and a half of water.
I'll wake up Friday morning. The wains are at nine am.
We'll wake up like at six and maybe I'll have

(15:01):
like thirty pounds left to go, which I'll usually get
in the sauna or put the sauna sudan and just
you know, do jump rope until I switt the water off.
I'll get on the scale immediately. So as soon as
I made the weight, let's say I made the weight
that like eight fifteen in the morning. Now I'll just
wait for the official wings, get on the scale, and
then rehydrate and more or less, that was my process
for most of my career.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
And when you're rehydrating the day before a fight, because
obviously now like oh, we're gonna go get fucking ice
cream and cheeseburgers, Like what are you eating like that?

Speaker 2 (15:27):
You know, twenty four to thirty six hours before the fight.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
Carbs and protein, you know, and the cleaner the source,
the better. I haven't always followed those instructions. We want
to have like a good piece of sound, and maybe
say away from red meat because it just takes a
little bit more to process. You know, you eat a
big steak, you kind of want to go to sleep
and your body's just been through so much already. So
anything that's like the cleaning source. You know, if I'm

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gonna have carbs, maybe have like sweet potato or like
brown ride something like that, you know, just things that'll
be lighting my stomach and give me the few that
I need for the next day. And then before I
complet eat me personally, I fast. I don't want to eat.
I don't the day off, the day off, you know,
So I'll have a I'll wake up in the morning,
I'll have a little stretch or work out, get a
good thirty minutes of working out, and then I'll have

(16:12):
like a good sized breakfast, pancakes, whatever, whatever, if you're
like eating, especially if it's carbon filled. And then after
that that said, I want to eat again until so
after the fight, you know, and when.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
You fought during the pandemic, it was usman right, right,
and where was that fight Abu Dhabi, Jesus Christ and
how much weight?

Speaker 2 (16:31):
What was the breakdown of the amount of weight you
lost to the fight.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
So Usman will scheduled to fight Gilbert Burns. Right, Gilbert
Burns gets Corona and they notify me within six days,
Hey can you come to Abu Dhabi and fight this guy?
And you're with your life at that point, smoking weed,
watching fucking the craziest shit and this is Corona pandemic.
The whole world's going crazy. I'm just stuck in my house, like,

(16:55):
what's what's happening? Can we go out tomorrow? It's crazy.
It's like fucking the Twilight Zone. You know. Gyms are
closed left and right. So a lot of my working
out is just like running, you know, and things like that.
And they give me the call. I was like, fuck, yeah, let's.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Go and you do what? Like how much weight did
you have to cut?

Speaker 3 (17:14):
I cut from when they gave me the phone call
to the fight twenty pounds.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
God, So you're just like on your like on shutdown.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
As soon as they gave me the maybe because we
had to negotiate the numbers, right, I'm like, if you
guys make the numbers right, and I had the use.
This is one of the very first times in rare
in history somebody had the UFC by the balls like that,
because it's six days before their main event, and this
is huge. This is UFC fighter and they've been talking
about this forever. So I had a lot of negotiation power.

(17:42):
The UFC worked with me. We're able to come to
those numbers, and I took off the podcast.

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(19:45):
correctly game breadbare knuckle, Sir. You came from nothing. I
know your story. You came out fighting dudes in the backyard.
You made it to the top of the top. You've
had a great career. You've won, you've lost, but you've
You're are if, but you're also you're never gonna have
You're never not going to forget. I think I hope

(20:05):
that kid who wanted to make some money. Yeah, you're
You're always going to have the fight the point of
view of a fighter.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
So so what would you.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Do now that you're a promoter that you're calling the
shots For the most part, I know there's probably people
to protect fighters, and how do you not become the
asshole who's fucking over the fighters?

Speaker 2 (20:25):
How do you avoid that? But also, it's a business.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
It's a great question, you know. The UFC to a
lot of people seems like, man, they're kind of harsh
in these paychecks. But at the end of the day,
I don't take it personal because it's a business and
it's the same thing. We got to run a business.
But it's much money and as much sponsorships and as
much eyeballs as I could get on these fighters. So
with the bare knockle if you see what we pay
these guys out, it's considerably more than what guys paid

(20:48):
on the same level with gloves on. You know, we
do that for a reason. So these fighters are taken
care of. And one thing that we definitely want to
do is just keep bringing in sponsors for fighters as well.
Let them eat off that, you know, the pay or
will always grow as a sport grows. But one thing
that we could definitely offer the fighters coming into organizations,
especially the bigger name was is the sponsorships and then

(21:09):
eventually we'll get we'll be able to get everybody, the
mid entry guys to the young guys. But something I
definitely want to do is is keep these guys active
as well. You know. That's why as a fighter, especially me,
I always wanted to stay active. And it wasn't that easy.
I fought all over the world. I got fifty two
pro fights, and I will take fights in two weeks, notice,
seven days, notice, all types of notice. That's soone the

(21:32):
UC gave me that opportunity. I was like, I could
do this. I got into the UFC by taking short
notice fights. I could go for it. So something that
I did throughout my career, I want to be able
to tell guys, hey, you have three months to prepare
you un to fight in March, un fight in July,
and you're going to fight in September. And I think
that's something that gives so much security to me as
an athlete, specially and not knowing that I have this program,

(21:52):
like all right, I'll have a week in between these
things to like do my own thing and then get
right back to camp, because these are my days, and
I think for fighters they usually did love that type
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (22:02):
The card that's coming up, I want to do that
and then go back in your in your life, in
your world, September eighth, break down what's going to be
on that card and who's going to be on that
that card on.

Speaker 3 (22:11):
The eighth, this is our biggest card today. We have
Faica We're doing. You'll see x heavyweight champion versus Junior
Dosanto's another x UFC heavyweight champion. By coincidence, I happened
to train with JDS for the last seven years. We're
both at the American Top Team. He's a teammate of
mine and I've been watching him his whole career of MMA.
So I'm I'm very in awe and in shock that

(22:33):
we were able to pull this fight off bare knuckle,
bare knuckle, no gloves.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Tape.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, they'll have tapes on the on the hands and wrists.
It won't go on the knuckle, but they'll have their
hand protected so that they don't get Yeah, they'll have
the it'll be a good amount of support on the
wrists and the actual hand is just here. There's no padding,
no take, no nothing. Ship and missiles, it's your your
launching missiles that guys, when you do that. And now,

(22:59):
one thing that we noticed from putting on all these
shows is that the submissions also go through the roof.
It's not just the knockouts or cuts. But now you
don't have tape hand wrap, tape hand wrap and then
a glove. No, it's just like bare knuckles. So now
you don't have this extra three inches on top of
your hand, so it's easier to get into certain spots
to maneuver shertain grips. So the finishing rate goes up

(23:19):
through the roof as well in the submissions, so it's
just more action. The guys hit the floor in instead
of hugging so much, they're trying to choke the piss
out of each other because they know they could get
to these positions easier.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Now, why would anybody want a professionally fight bare knuckle?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
It seems so fucking crazy.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
It's crazy, but you ask the same thing one hundred
years ago, why would anybody want a box? Seems fucking crazier.
And then Moutai and then all this, you know, so
it's just to the fighters sudden. Them really liked the
realism of it, like this is the closest it gets
to a fight, and that's what draws them, like I
want to be the best fighter in the world. You know,
some people see exposure because you get a lot of
exposure fighting bare knuckle, even if it's somebody we've never

(23:59):
heard of. It's on YouTube and two people are fighting
bareknuckle on their professionals, You're just gonna stop and watch
because it's what two pros are taking the gloves off.
Let me see this, you know. So they know they
get a lot of exposure. Me personally, I did it
in kimball slices backyards. But that's when Kimbo was like
a megastar. He was a rockster. He was getting thirty
million views hit, you know, and he asked me, He goes, hey,

(24:20):
you want to fight in my backyard. I was like
fucking kidding me, of course, you know, I was fucking
nobody knew me, like, no, my the five people that
number where my family members lived in my house. Nobody
fucking knew me. And this guy asked me to come
fight in this platform. Millions of people know me. After that,
I have the fight and it goes. I remember like
within two weeks it was I got three hundred thousand
dollar views, and then within a month I was like

(24:42):
at a million views already. I was like what And
this is twenty something years ago on YouTube. It's the
crazy shit ever, and that exposure is still out there
for these guys in social media now more than ever.
So that's another big reason why why the bare knuckles?

Speaker 2 (24:54):
You know, how did Kimball find you?

Speaker 3 (24:57):
We were so I was fighting around Miami, You're ready,
and in the backyard. Yeah, not in his backyard, just
in different parts of Miami wherever I get offered to compete.
I already knew who came to money for money for everything,
but it wasn't like real money. It was like, you know,
you're my boy, and these guys here and everybody came
over with like thirty dollars and we're betting the other
guy over here two hundred dollars and you know, petty

(25:17):
stuff like that, you know, and like that, I kept training, competing,
going to gym's. Kimball was coincidentally at the same gym
that I was at, and they had seen me working out.
They thought I had a lot of problems. So they
spoke to one of the guys that was handling the gym.
He's like, hey, we'd like to have them on. They
asked me, Hey, would you like to fight? I said,
hell yeah, bro, it'd be a fucking This guy's getting
thirty million views and he wants me to fight. This

(25:38):
is fucking nuts. So back then, it was very legal,
very on the hush. You couldn't tell nobody, you couldn't
do anything about it. If you posted about it, it was
gonna get shut down the cops that we show up.
So they told me we're going to run it in
about six months time. You think you'd be good? Then
I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna have the
next one in six months. We're going to keep posting.
Time went by, It didn't call, nothing, nothing. I'm like,

(26:01):
they probably just bullshitting me. Right, I get a call,
random call, Hey, you think you'll be ready like by
next month, two weeks from now. I was like, fuck, yeah, Okay,
you don't know you're fighting. Give a fuck your fight.
I don't know who I'm fighting. You don't know someone
in your size rightone in my size range, and I, uh,
and I don't know where the fight's gonna take place
in the rules setting either, you know. So I get

(26:24):
a call again maybe after those two weeks. They're like, hey,
it's going down this week. We're gonna call you on
Wednesday with the location, you know, and just be ready.
So Wednesday came or whatever day was, and I had
completely forgot. I was at the drive through McDonald's about
to eat. They called me like, hey, we're ready. We're
gonna send you a location. Are you ready to go?
I was like hell yeah, canceled the order, went straight

(26:46):
over there, called up a couple of friends just in
case I need to back up. We get over there.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
You don't know what the fuck is.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
You don't know what the fuck's going on over that's
where the UFC is such a complete, like peaceful setting
as opposed to a backyard guys have guns knives. So
we get there and they tell me Kimbo's gonna fight first.
You're gonnaet to see him fight. I was like, helly, yeah,
he wants to see your fight. They tell me he
wants to see your fight, so he's gonna fight first.
So Kimber, I'm like warming up. Kimber literally pulls up
in a black escalator. Door opens, more smoke comes out

(27:14):
than you've ever seen your fucking life. Kimball comes out
with his chain. He looks at Icy Mike's manager, good
friend of mine, puts a chain on him and says
something like let's get it or give him my bread,
and goes in and fights no warm on nothing, knocks
the guy out and then calls me to fight next.
And it was fucking amazing. And that video ended up
doing that I did got like fifteen sixteen million views
in total, like nowadays, but back then it was like

(27:36):
right in two months time, it was like at a million.
It was crazy for me, you know. And in that
exposure I always said, this is crazy because it's from
the bare knuckles. So now when we do we see
we're doing the same thing for the guys, and it's
it's the best feeling. Man, It's like a food three sixty.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
At that point in your life, what did you want
to do?

Speaker 3 (27:53):
How old were you about to be? Eighteen?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
So what were you thinking your life was gonna be?

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Fighting bum? No? Man, I knew that this was just
a step in the right direction. I always knew I
wanted to do MMA since since twelve thirteen years old.
My mind was made like this is all I'm going
to do.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
And because of what you're like, what are you watching
at that point?

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Like that's getting you into it only and nothing but
MMA and boxing. So I discovered boxing around seven eight
and I was diagnosed with all types of ADHD and
add crazy amount of energy. My dad can never get
me to sit still unless it was like a come
ful marathon that you should play like on Saturdays. And
he noticed this is the only thing that comes this
guy that grew into like boxing and mixed martial arts.

(28:33):
But since since a young kid, I didn't even understand
what football was or basketball. I was looking at it
trying to figure it out, like I don't know what's happening.
But as soon as I saw fighting, I was already hooked,
you know.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
And you mentioned Kimbo was smoking weed. You said you
were smoking weed.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
No back then, though I didn't start smoking till like
later later on in life, like twenty seven to twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
After you were Hori Masabl the Fighter. Yeah, yeah, Now,
I said. The contradiction between being hood we all know
food in the hood.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
You know, we're talking about, like you know, from the
Chinese food spot to pizza, the tacos and all that shit.
The contradiction of being a fighter, which takes discipline, and
smoking weed and being in the hood is so fascinating
to me because you're talking about your smoking weed doesn't
mess with your staming up.

Speaker 3 (29:21):
I think the way you ingest the thc. You know,
like depending on the type of paper, I think matters
a lot what's going into your lungs. But I'll put
it like this, like if I go out on Saturday
night Sunday night and I fucking drink alcohol, I am
no good on Monday. It just I'm not worth anything.
I get smoke all I want Sunday, going to practice

(29:41):
Monday and kick everybody's eyes. It doesn't mess with your
Maybe I've gone to tolerance to it or I don't know,
but it doesn't necessarily, especially if you're doing it clean,
if you like smoking off a bong or a vaporize
or something like that, I don't think it really affects
your lungs. If you're putting in a lot of tobacco,
that's a different story, okay, because it's we have a
different I definitely fal a message with your reflexes slightly,

(30:04):
so it's not something you want to do with your
reaction time, you know, like that pause, you know, like,
oh I didn't see that, you know. So I definitely
wouldn't recommend people to be smoking, maybe before they have
a pro bow. But if you just training, it doesn't
really throw you off too much.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Kimbo, you said, you know, kind of gave you your
shot and all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Talk about what he meant to you.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
You're so sad, you know his passing because I feel like,
you know, he passed before social media. I mean, social
media's grown, like he would have continued to because he
had such a presence and legacy. And you know, I
was always tripped out by him because when he be
fighting it like this, and then when you hear him talking,
it's like, is this the same person? Like his on

(30:46):
and off switch with like two different people. But talk
about your memories of Kimbo.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Me personally is just a humbleized dude, you know, one
I always say to the interviews because it kind of
showed me also how you're supposed to be, how man
in the sports to carry himself. We went out to
have lunch, a random restaurant and everybody's staring Like I'm
telling you, if Michael Jackson was getting a million views
per episode, Kimba was getting like thirty million per fight.
It was the fucking crazy shit. We walk in the restaurant.

(31:13):
Everybody's just staring at him, but he's this big, fucking
mean looking gorilla and nobody wants to like make eye
contact your shirts is that Kimba? And you can see
everybody's like that, And then one guy with enough courage
finally goes, hey, can I get a picture? Kim was like, helly, yeah,
come on. That set off the whole restaurant. Maybe he
spent like an hour doing pictures after that, and guess
what he did it with a smile and his face,
shook everybody's hand, gave everybody like a minute or two

(31:35):
of his time, and had like as much as you
could have a genuine conversation for those two minutes with
everybody in there. That that's a picture. And that wasn't
at just that place. I was everywhere he went. It
is menacing. And he looked and as the forces you look,
treated everybody with respect, the janet in the building, that
it didn't matter who it was you talked to him,
and he talked to you right back like a human being.

(31:55):
You know. So I was always something that I loved
about him because like we see it all the time,
like fighters abusing and their power and shit. I don't
like that. You know, they just get crazy they you know,
or just think that somebody's uh you know, like I'm
sure you because you've been around your whole life like
celebrities treating like the help like shit or something that
things that I don't really like. You know, Kimball was
never like that either, you know, so something that I

(32:16):
loved a lot, you know that he was. Also he
comes from a very humble place. That's why he always
stayed hungry, I think, you know right.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I mean, I just think his success would and his
persona and the podcasts and the murder, he just would
have continued to thrive almost I think more after he
would have stopped fighting, yeah, because it would have just
been like almost how tight and you just get more beloved.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
Saturday Night was the fights? Pourier? Is it true?

Speaker 1 (32:40):
You bet one hundred thousand dollars break this down to me? Well,
I know that sucks to even have to say. I
felt the pain from you saying yes.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
So I've been friends with DP for like ten years,
you know, teammates I he got to American Top Team,
and uh, we were kind of like, we're already knew
who was We had high prospects from back back then,
and I got to know him more and more and
I was like, but this guy's dog, this guy's amazing,
you know. And through those ten years, we beating the
crap out of each other left and right, getting each
other ready for our biggest moments. So his first fight

(33:14):
in Connor, he lost some one, which I better on,
and the second fight I got paid because nobody thought
he was gonna win, So I bet it on that
one big and also better like on the third one.
So I'm kind of always betting on Dustin. You know,
this one, I put a lot of money up and
he was the favorite, so kind of even if I
would have won, you know, you don't make as much
as you put in. But there's other times that I'm

(33:36):
not mad. Bro, I'm not mad that I lost money.
You know, it just sucks. I'm mad that my boy
didn't win the fight. That's what really hurts. One hundred
thousand dollars money comes and goes and shout out to
my bookie dot Ag because nobody wanted to take the fight.
I called like four fucking people. Know nobody wanted to
take the bat, you know, and it was a little
bit sporadic. I was like, I got a little bit
of money. I feel safe about this fight. I've been

(33:56):
watching my boy in training camp. I've been talking to
the coaches. Everybody says he's in peak performance. I went
out there and put it and it didn't go my word,
But it's a fight game. Man. That first run it
looked like he was gonna take it home. Then all
of a sudden it's over.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
How surprising. I was surprised. I mean, but this, this
has become this trend. These kicks to the fucking head.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
Kicks don't forgive man. There's no patting on the shin bone.
This is the strongest part of your body. It's the
heaviest part of your body, so you'd be surprised. Sometimes
the kick is not even that hard, but it's got
so much mass behind it. It's just rex people. Man,
there's no coming back from a kick usually, you know,
a proper kick, you know.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
Because it also it seems like what it did with him?
Was it.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
It's almost like, I guess there's what is there something here?
An artery cut you off?

Speaker 2 (34:41):
I could? I mean, what do you want to do?
What are you want to do? I see you making moves.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
See when you get hit in the neck. It's also
like a delayed if that's what I'm saying. It looked
like that. Yeah, It's like you get hit and then
a second aight, you collapse. You know, all the vibration
ends up going to the head, but until it gets here,
that's where we see like that delay, you know, so
you get hit here and then it travels up and like, man,
it's just bad. You know. I'm glad that I hung
out with DP some considerable time after the fight and
he was fine. He wasn't slurring his words or anything.

(35:09):
He was no concussion, I think, definitely no concussion from
what the doctor says. So I was just happy that
he didn't get hurt. And I feel like if they
fought again, it could be the complete opposite.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (35:19):
Result you know, these are two of the finest dogs
in the sport. These guys go for the kill every time.
That's why this fight was so intriguing, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
When you say we beat each other, ask in practice,
you know, when you're training partners, what do you mean?
Like are you guys like are you I guess there's
no way to avoid it's not basketball, or like I'm
gonna bust your ass and I you know, I shut
you out.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
And hurt him, but you bust your ass. Yeah, I'm
fighting though, we're gonna you're gonna hurt each other to
an extent, Like okay, I'll give you point in example,
like me and Deep because we're both kind of like
very much a similar type of athlete in the gym,
Like if you're going controlled, we can go hard and
go controlled, or we could go fight speed like me
and Dustin were very known for doing that at the gym.

(36:00):
Like if you're throwing like it's a fight, I'm throwing
like it's a fight too.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
And are you guys talking about that beforehand or is
it kind of you feeling that it's.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
Always like the coaches, the coaches don't want you going
one hundred percent, right, So the coaches are gonna have
you work out with him and him today and me and.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Because him, I'd like to fuck him up this one.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
That one right there, we're taking him in the gym. Yeah, him,
I got a gym nearby.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
I mean particularly like, I mean, i'd like that.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
You know, the bodyguard, is it him?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
He's that's my muscle.

Speaker 3 (36:23):
That's that's the one that's on the video. That's a bodyguard.
That's my muscle. Right, Yeah, you gotta train him. You
gotta train him. But so go ahead, break that down
to me, so you know you're gonna get let's say
you're gonna do You're gonna get ready for fire round fights.
You're gonna do two rounds for him. He gonna do
two rounds for him, two rounds, do six rounds total, right,
to get you ready for this. So it's it's not
that the coaches want him to go one hundred percent

(36:45):
and then you're gonna get another fresh guy and they
wanting them to go one hundred percent with the strikes
and possibly hurt you with the grappling and wrestling. It's
a little different because you don't get hurt if somebody
like you just you know, you top and the striking,
if I hit you hard, you might get hurt, you know.
So it's not always a vies to go one hundred
and one hundred. But it does happen in the practice
because you know, we're both pros, and like you let

(37:06):
off a shot that was rather hard, and it's like, okay,
I'll give you that one. You know. Then we keep
going I'm getting the better of you. And then you
throw another shot full blast. Okay, that's that's number two.
You know, some guys right then and there will turn
it into a fight. Some guys might give you a
break and be like, all right, you know, if you
throw another one like that, it's on. We're gonna have
to go to war. And that's the type of guy
like like Dustin is like Dustin's actually you throw one

(37:27):
heart at him, he's gonna come take your head off.
He's just a known for being a mean guy in practice.
But we're getting practice just beat the crap out of
each other. But a good way though, you know, because
he would never he'd have chances to, like land a
very devastating blow to my head. He wouldn't throw it
to my head full blast, not to the body. He's
not taking it easy, and neither might because we're helping
each other build conditions, so it might seem like we're

(37:48):
trying to hurt each other, but you know what you're doing. Yeah, yeah,
you know, and it's pulling it some. It's exactly like
if I hit him in the head, I don't want
to do it over like a seventy eighty percent, you know,
because I want to take care of him and I
want to learn. Also want to beat him up because
I have to score as much as I can to
get better. So there's that fine line.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
You know, who else did you have his training partners?
There's guys that you trained with. What's his name, the fucking.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
The one you fought, the fucking Maga fuck up Kobe.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, your relationship, you guys were friends.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
We were friends. Man, He's not roommates. He was living
in my apartment, staying in your crip on your couch. Yeah.
He had just left the college circuit, you know, and
I was already established. Bro. I had like fifteen to
eighteen fights, and he broke his hand, his fucking girlfriend
dumped him. He was out living in the streets. And
we're in the same like program. You know, we're training

(38:40):
all day long at the gymnast, and I'm like, man,
I got an extra couch, you could say, there until
you figure the shit out. You know, and then when
it came time to fight each other, instead of like
we don't we don't have to go towards like talking
about each other's wives or kids or kids and things
like that, because not only do we have a background,
but you just don't have to like me and you're
gonna fight already. I don't believe in selling a fight.
I have to talk about your wife for kids, I

(39:00):
can talk about you, but like your technique sucks. You
ain't this that, but he took it to another line
just to sell pay per views, so that let me
know the type of person that he is.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
You know, how frustrating because I know you wanted that fight,
Like there's some fights where you know it's easy work
the ben ass grin.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
You know, you know you might not even have time
to you know, I.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Have you know, I don't know what your feelings were
with the time you thought Usman and Abu Dhabi. But
how frustrating was that to lose that fight because I
wanted you to kick his fucking ass.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
I wanted to kick his fucking teeth into Definitely frustrating man.
I had, uh, it's just the fight game, you know,
maybe like a month before, I had gotten a flu
so bad that I thought I had corona for the
first time in my life. So I went and got
tested and everything. I did all the tests and no,
I didn't have corona, but I did have the flu,
and I get I have this for about two weeks.

(39:53):
Then I got two weeks and boom, it's fight time,
you know. So my weight had shot up. It had
gotten very very low when I was sick. Then when
I got unsack, my weight shot up. So it was like,
it's always going to be bitter in my mouth because
I feel on that day I wasn't one hundred percent
what I could have given to that fight. And I
can't take it away from him because he is a
good wrestler. I need to be on point for the
the type of fight that he brings. He's not a fighter.

(40:13):
He's not gonna try to punch me in the face,
he's not going to try to near able, but he
is going to try to just hug it out literally
and stalemate it and not fight. And for that I
had to be a little bit more prepared and I
wasn't in that day. So it's always one that, uh,
maybe I had to come out every time and just
go bust his fucking face.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
You know that was me because I wanted you to
win that me too. Man, Explain to me.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
I know it's all different times, you know, but it's
such a foreign thing.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Explain to me.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
You're going the end of the fourth round, You're in
a war, You're you're fighting. Explaining the mentality of you
as a fighter. Are you in pain? Can you hear
the crowd? Are you thinking just tactical? Like what's going
on in between those rounds? When you know, like I'm

(41:00):
in a fight. This guy is no joke. I'm no joke,
and we're giving everything we hear, Like where's your head
at at that point? And like are you feeling pain
or is it varies?

Speaker 3 (41:10):
It varies? So let me say I away, I could
describe the pain. Let's say I throw a kick and
you checked it right, maybe at the time it hurt
a little bit, and then throw out the fight. It
stays with me, but it's just the way that I
see it. It's like something will be. It's not that I
can't walk or nothing like that, because at that time,
you're so focused. You've had these two three hours, you've

(41:31):
had the eight weeks of prepare and then three hours
back stage just going through every scenario in your head.
You're ready to go through any scenario. Now there's definitely pain, like,
oh he checked that Caick. I could feel my bone
like throbbing or whatever. But it's not gonna stop me
from like throwing your adrenals. The adrenaline is pumping. Crowd
is cheering. You know, they're cheering so loud. You can't
hear your corner until you go in the break. You

(41:52):
can't hear between the round because you're so loud. I
can't hear anything in my corner and they're saying. Then
when I sit down, it's really about forty five seconds.
I'll have to give you instructions because we get a minute,
but you can't be late, so they blow the whistle
like at thirty seconds. You got to get out of it.
So those instructions are like very small, And to me personally,
what really mattered was how tired I was, because then
I could like process that the information. So if I

(42:15):
was tired, it was more of an emotional thing. With
my coach would be like, suck it up. We gotta win.
You're better than this guy.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Suck it up. Let's go.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
And if it was a technical thing, then they talked
to me about like a technical thing. But me personally,
I always noticed the more prepared I was for that moment,
which is something that's always in your capacity. The only
thing that you could really do in a fight is
be in shape and be in the best shape possible,
because that's in your hands, right that if you ran
those mouths and did the jump rope and swimming and
all that, that's in your hands. That's in your control.

(42:41):
So that's something always that I would try to be
under control. And the more that I was in shape,
the more that I could solve this math problem. You know,
people are screaming. I could barely hear my coach. This
guy's landing in a couple of shots. But breathe, settle down.
It's a fight. It's what I love to do. And
what are the instructions? Okay, let me try and do
that nowroun things like that.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
How much instruction, I mean, you've you've done everything, you've
backyard foot, you've sparred, you've boxed, you mma'd, you fucking
you've won, you've lost. You know how much instruction can
actually help somebody at your level or at the championship level,
and like, what would you mean, like by instruction that
would actually register in between round three and four, that

(43:22):
would you be able to process.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Oh me personally? Again, going back to I've worked in
a lot of corners, depending on how tired the guys is,
how much instruction. If the guys like can't get it together,
you want to be simple things like hey, he keeps
hitting on the left hand side, heuse your left hands down,
keep your left hand up, stand the phone on this side.
Stand the phone, you know, like simple things like that.
The guy's like more, he has a good gas hanging

(43:45):
and he can tell everything that you're talking about. Maybe
you go back into the strategy. But even at this
level or at the lowest levels, it's tremendous, you know,
because it's a fighting and a split second it could change.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
You know.

Speaker 3 (43:54):
Let's say I hite you to the body a couple
of times, so now you have this like tendency where
you're like trying to block this body shot. And now
I'll be like, hey, in the start of the next run,
go hard to the body and then go hard to
the face, you know, and that might be the winning combination,
right there same thing in the grappling department. The guy
might be getting a lot of takedowns, but the way
he's doing it, he's leaving his neck out and the
coach tells him guillotine the next time he goes for

(44:16):
the double A give it all you got.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
And you're registering all this, and obviously whether.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
You could do it or not is something else. But
usually what I always see is the guys that are
in better shape, the guys that are like, Okay, I'm
not overwhelmed by this environment. I'm sitting down this another
day in the gym. What are the instruction coaches? Those
are the ones that could usually do better with that information.

Speaker 1 (44:51):
I'm asking you this with respect because I'm just such
a fan of boxing, such a fan of what you
guys do when you get knocked out.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
The Usmann punch him and that was a brutal funk
and it was so.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Quick, and I thought he was going for a takedown.
That's what really got me off. Card I didn't think
he was going for a punch. You Okay, why were
you thinking that? Because the way he moved the way
so it's the position of his level change in his head.
So I'll show you real quick on camera. You shoot
and you go like this, and I go for the legs.
So he does. He did that over and over in
the first fight, in the first round of the second fight,

(45:24):
and then he does it again. He goes like this, but.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
This time he comes up and you went down.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yeah, and I my immediate reaction is, Oh, he's going
for a takedown. Then I start to see no, he's
not going for a takedown. He's punching. So I start
to punch with him. The counter that punch, and it
was already too close, you know, by the time I
made that decision.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
And when you come through, are you cognizant of where
you are?

Speaker 2 (45:49):
What happened? Do you realize what you just showed me
just now?

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yes? No? No, At the time, I didn't know all
that At the time. When I first get woken up,
I'm looking around, I'm like, what did I win? Was
the first thing I said? They go, no, no, you didn't.
You look at the screen, my coaches are telling me,
and I look in real life hits you like, oh shit,
I've never been knocked out. That's me limp on the

(46:12):
fucking floor, And.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
Are you thinking what you're seeing on the screen is
like almost like a movie.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Yeah, well it feels like that one hundred percent, Like
I just walked up and just watching somebody. Yeah, like
I'm in the hospital watching TV or something, you know,
because the feeling is so weird and what's going on
and people are changing it. That took about a minute
and then it's like, yeah, this is real life, you know,
and I have I got lucky that I got submitted
Like fifteen years ago, I was winning all three rounds

(46:36):
a minute and a half to go. I get submitted
with a choke that ended up being choke of the year.
Something crazy. He got submission of the year Tobia mott
up And that was like the same feeding. The referee
woke me up and I was winning the whole fight,
So I did Did I win? They're like, no, man,
you got you got choked up? Put the sleep And
that was like that first time it happened, it was
so overwhelming that it only helped me out for the

(46:56):
second one because when it happened the second time, I
was like, all right, what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Do you is it?

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Because you're a tough motherfucker, You're a pride for motherfucker?
Are you processing a loss. Is it going through your
pride or is it just like it's happened to all
of us, everyone's lost comedy.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
I'm first and foremost. It hits a pride tank right away,
right like all these miles around, all the dieting I
did all the year into this guy I got knocked
out by. You know, you're dealing with that, and then
you gotta also analyze, like, but but why what did
I do? I did a technical mistake? Okay, cool, you
got me.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
You know, do you dream of fighting? Always give me,
give me something that you remember, good, bad, weird. I'm
sure it's like you know, it's like ballet fighting, Like
what what is? What are your dreams of fighting that
you could that you remember?

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Here's something that I always didn't fighting, and I do
it in life. Like let's say, if I have a
meeting or something, I'll go, I'll fall asleep, like thinking
about what I'm gonna do in the fight or what
I'm gonna do the next day as far as like
working out goes or whatever. But I've always done that,
Like you know, for let's say, like Nate Diaz, I
going into that fight I envisioned I went to sleep

(48:03):
dreaming thing and that I would kick him to the
body and I would drop him and it happened just
like that. And it's something that I in my brain
when I saw him fight, I go, oh, he's made
for this technique right here that I actually do very well.
So it's something that I would constantly see and right
before I go to see. But I'm like, I'm thinking
of all the setups I could do, so just land
that kick, you know. So I was like, Oh, I'm
pretty cool feeling when it happens in real life.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
I was at that fight, Yeah, I was.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
I was in New York.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Do you think if.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
The fight had kept going, I was rooting for Nate
and I'll tell you and I would go to our
last thing because I love both of you guys. But
I had to make an executive decision because your guy
was at that fight.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Uh Trump, and he was there for me.

Speaker 2 (48:41):
I fucking know that that.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
But that fight, obviously you're gonna say, no, if it
had kept going, were you how tired were you?

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Was it that it stopped in the third?

Speaker 3 (48:50):
I mean he was, no, No, I was, I was.
You know. I think they get clips of like my
hands being over my head like I do that every fight.
At a certain point, I'm just bringing my hands up
so I'd get it like more oxygen, just air, breathe,
stretch out. You know, I've never I've done numerous five
round fights. I've never like let off the gas pedal.
If strategy wise, a guy beat me, okay, you know

(49:11):
he was able to take me down and control me.
But I'm not going to get tired in my wheelhouse,
and my wheelhouse is striking. It's never happened. I've given
guys beatings for five rounds, for three rounds. I've never
gotten tired from giving out the ass open. Maybe I
haven't had my best performances when it's like a good
strong grappler. It's putting me on the defense the whole time,
and I might get tired in that department, But me

(49:32):
throwing hammers, it's it's not going to happen, especially somebody
took so much samorage. I always, for the life of me,
wish it would have let it go because I would
have gave him the proper barrier that he needed. You know,
I had done a lot of work to the body,
started in the first round, second round, and third and
that only catches up to you. So let's say that
I came in with a like if it was a
video game, a salmina bar of eighty percent, and nadas

(49:53):
came in with one of one hundred percent. By the
time we get to the third round, he's not got
forty percent two years of the body shots?

Speaker 1 (50:00):
Do you it seemed like you guys both, I mean
Nate's just you guys are so similar in terms of
like it's like you burial, like he's not going it
was fucking eyes hanging out.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah, he's going for it. He's going for it every time.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Did you enjoy that fight?

Speaker 3 (50:14):
Like?

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Do you do you enjoy? Like you? Do you respect Nadias? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Yeah, I respect him a fucking ton. Bro. We've been
different promotions, but like right there, very close to each
other our whole careers.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
You know, how do you process that? Is it like,
you know, the Lakers versus Golden State Warriors?

Speaker 3 (50:30):
Because me and you'll go play basketball. Are you gonna
take it easy?

Speaker 2 (50:34):
I mean, fuck no, I'm gonna bust your ass.

Speaker 3 (50:36):
War How many you're gonna put I'm gonna give you
like thirty thirty five. Maybe it's the same thing in
my sport. I'm gonna put as many points as I
can in your face. There's no real feelings involved in it,
you know, because because I'm gonna do it too. Not
just that, but this is what we've done our whole life.
So if it's like, uh, you know, I always when
I came into the sport, I uh, I didn't have

(50:56):
like no friends like that. And when I made all
these friends, it's like, I don't want to fight me friends.
But at the same time, I didn't get into the
sport to have friends. So it's like I'm fighting everybody,
you know, And and that's how it is in a
football game, they're gonna try to put fifty points on
your face. I have to knock you out to separate
myself from the pack, to show everybody, man I am
who I sam, you know, So I have no remorse
from fucking busting somebody's face up. You know. That's what

(51:20):
we all signed secure. You're in that mode. It's what
we all signed them for. And there's so much repetition
in practicing that you don't even think about it. You
just I'm just doing my coaches and me have been
doing for all this time, and just going out and
executing these moves.

Speaker 1 (51:34):
Because that was like that night was a trip because
number one was in the garden. Number two Trump was there,
which was bugged out. Number three they put me on
the other side because they knew Trump was gonna be
there because I don't fuck with Trump.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
I know.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
And and number four I mean Julie Biden, I mean
me and you would do better one yo, Mas deval
Rapaport on the twenty four.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
Yeah, we're both sides of the spectrum. Bro.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Well, it would be awesome. We get some funding, we
get a couple, we go on tour. You'll get me
in shape. We'll talk ship. If I got to kick
a little lass, I'll kick a little last, I'll kick
a little last. But that was a crazy night because
I was like Nate's like, it's like a scary move.
Was like, yo, your eyes hanging off. It was wild.
And the Derek Lewis fight that night, like it was

(52:25):
the whole thing. Was I think he fought that night?

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yes? Did he fight? Yes? I think he fought. But
it was you know, and the rock was there was
it was a wild night.

Speaker 3 (52:34):
On my favorite boxer, walk me out, Who.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Is it all right? It was and it's the Garden.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
Yes, he won his title against Iran Barkley there as well.

Speaker 2 (52:44):
That's a fighter. Whwaii.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
I mean this is a guy and I used to
from New York and I used to see you know,
his cousin is a Saquon Barkley, the football player. But
I used to see Iran Barkley after he retired, you know,
at clubs, you know, just like with a hoodie.

Speaker 2 (52:58):
And I was like, yo, it's a barking because that
was a fighter.

Speaker 3 (53:02):
Yeah, yeah, all be power aggressive, tough. Yeah, I remember.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
All right, let's are my final thing? Because I think
he tweeted at me once Trump, where are you at
with Trump?

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Where are you like?

Speaker 1 (53:14):
I didn't give a fuck about politics, And I'm assuming
you didn't give a fuck about politics before the Trump administration.

Speaker 3 (53:18):
No, I'll explain to you my thing on the politics.
So both my parents, my dad escaped from Cuba when
he was like fifteen years old. He got a tire tractor,
him and his best friend and his best friend's uncle.
They turned it into a wrath. They took off. Seven
days later they got to the Bahamas. From the Bahamas,
he got extradited to Miami to the projects over there
and eventually began his life. You know, my mom was

(53:41):
also in Peru during a bad, bad time during the
socialism and there was a lot of terrorism going on
because other organizations were gonna take it over. So it
wasn't that I was so much engraved in politics and stuff,
but it was just something that was so common in
my household since a young age, from kind of both
sides of the family, but more so the Cuban conservative side,
you know, like just hearing all these horror stories when

(54:04):
when I'm a kid and I'm like, yeah, but you know,
you're exaggerating this, and they're like, no, no, no, we seriously.
We only got two eggs for the whole family for
the month and that was it, and that was the
government would give. You know, my other aunt, Somo made
the base and here's the state of Cuba or whatever.
They have this strip of land filled with minds, right,

(54:26):
so all the imagine the US did that, like put
a bunch of minds from here to Canada so we
wouldn't escape.

Speaker 2 (54:31):
You know, that's crazy.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
And my aunt crossed this field and then crossing this field,
her titty blew up because you hit a mine. So
she's now known in the family as Biggie Smalls, but
she is still alive. And these are the people that
I grew up with, you know. So I heard this
throughout my whole freaking life of why this system of
oppression is the fucking worst and if you ever see

(54:54):
you have to fight for it because this is literally
the greatest country. I know people have a lot of
feelings about this, but I've been all over the world
world to me that this is a place like me,
a fucking immigrant fuck that they didn't have anything, could
be a multi millionaire and take care of my children
and their children, you know. So I love this country.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Man.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
That's where I'm not really like with the politics, you
know that I just feel that this is the best country.
I don't want to see the laws implicated in Mexico
or Venezuela or Cuba any of those places here, you know,
I want this to be America.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
You know, we could go down the trumpet and I
had a feeling like your stuff is, you know, like
on social media, and also the stuff we sort of
you know, lean into and there's fan bases and all
that shit. You know, it kind of gets blown up
with it. I just want to ask you last question,
your five favorite boxers of all time?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Your five favorite boxers of all time?

Speaker 3 (55:44):
Lang Muhammad Ali, Oh my gosh, I love Sugar Ray Leonard,
I love Sugar Ay Robinson said, by a load of time.
Just Parnell with it. Oh my gosh, bro, he used
to freaking just watch him for tapes and tapes like,
how does this guy do that? He's just stand in
front of you and you can't touch him. Aaron Pryor,

(56:07):
he was a motherfucker. My gosh, that's it.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
That's it to me.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
That's your wheelhouse is ship too? Like I look at
you like it's Aaron Prior.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
Type super athlete that was super fucking mean mean. Well
the one guy that lost him, what's his name, uh
Aguayo Guay, alexis ar Guay. Yeah, he was another freaking animal.
There's so many guys, man, those are your guys. Yeah,
he Van their holy Field, big holy Field fanimal too big.

(56:36):
Oscar de la Hoya had his freaking time.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Did you watch the Oscar de Hoya doc on HBO?

Speaker 3 (56:41):
No, No, the new one. You have to watch it. Okay,
you're gonna all the boxer documentaries. I always watch him.
You you.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
It's two parts.

Speaker 1 (56:47):
It's excellent, and there's a couple of parts you're gonna
be like, literally, go oh ship because.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
Oscar he the whole thing is about his whole life.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Oscar's whole thing is bullshit and that's why he made
the docum and I'm not he talks about that. You're
gonna watch him be like, oh shit, but you're gonna
love it. As a fighter.

Speaker 3 (57:07):
I'm gonna watch it tonight.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
It's really good at two parts watching it. Your five
favorite MMA fighters.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
One. This guy always inspired me and the UFC at
one point had had gotten rid of my weight class
one hundred and fifty five pounds. They had just dissembled this.
It's not making enough headlines whatever. They dissembled it. So
for a large time, like guys like me, like my
size didn't have like a good, good place to go to.

(57:35):
And there was a little guy who was going all
over the world kicking everybody's ass. And his name was
BJ Penn. You know it's not that little, but BJ
Penn was like one of my fucking all time favorite fighters.
He could strike. He was a president jury to world
champion that didn't care to use it. He would strike
and want to knock guys out and if he went
to the ground, he tried to Submitchell. So he was
he was always like that same spirit that I embodied,
like it's a fight, man, I'm trying to finish you,

(57:57):
you know. So Bjpen is definitely one of my favorite
one love Chuck Likedell Mighty Mouse. John Jones is so
fucking just ahead of the curve on so many levels.
Love that fucking guy too. There's so many on MMA.
It's always interchangeable that, Like God, there's so many guys
that are fucking I like Robert Whittaker a lot. Israel

(58:18):
I said, Sanya always messed up his name. Sorry is
There's a lot of dudes. GSP is a fucking bees
habib Abib is no Ji Dominic Cruz I was always
a big dominant CUZ fan because of the head moment,
the speed that angles, the way that he fought, Like
every coach advised against that, Like there's not a coach
ever that's looked at his video and said, yeah, this
is and he would do it and put it off

(58:39):
and beat the world's best back to back by doing
it in his own way. Henry said, who to another
one huge fan of his style, right, going for hours.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Who's gonna win the John Jones.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
Steeping Yes, okay me? And so let's say this. You
can't bet against John Jones, right, But I think the
toughest fight ever he's gonna have, he's gonna be Miltovitch.
He's naturally a bigger guy, and he can wrestle, and
he's gonna be able to wrestle back into John Jones.
John Jones's hands are not the best step It has

(59:14):
good hands, but then again, it is John Jones we're
talking about. He could help, but he could knee, he
could do the craziest takedowns from crazy and then when
it hits the ground, he's just a problem. They get
this s guy. He must weigh more than a building
because nobody gets away from him when he gets him down,
when he wants to hold somebody and beat him down.
You know. So I think it's gonna be John's biggest test,
to tell you truth, And if John could walk through him,

(59:37):
I mean that's scary. And also for for Steepe, if
he wins biggest fight of his fucking life, I mean,
it's in the garden, holy smoke. So the UFC heavyweight chan. Yeah,
I think I'll be there for that and for sure.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Okay, let's go Jorge mos Devel September eighth.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
It's gonna be a Is it okay to say a bloodbath?

Speaker 3 (59:57):
Oh, it's gonna be a If you're near ringside, bring
your fucking umbrella. Bro, it's gonna be get bloody, bro
from start to finish. Like that's the thing about Bare Knuckle. Yeah,
we have JDS doom, but like any one of these
fights just becomes so entertaining when you don't know how
I could in and take it in at any moment,
you know, if you're not doing anything. September eighth, jackson
But I might.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
I might be at that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I might be at that because my my mother in
law lives in Jacksonville. I would love to come down.
And if you ever need like as a promoter, are
you able to ship talk or do you have to
stay neutral, because if you ever need like a ship
talker to like sort of I really seriously want to
do that, but I just don't want any ramifications.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
No, no, So I I'll stir it up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
But then I go, okay, it's just we're just playing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I'm gonna put my bodyguards a little bigger than him,
so it'll take care of you a little better than him.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
And you all these because as a promoter, are you
allowed to talk ship or you have to remain.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Definitely allowed to talk shit. But if I if I
book two guys that fight each other, right, and I'm
leaning towards one more, I just you know.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
You have to keep it down in the middle.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Got to keep it down in the middle, knowing that
it's going to be a great Obviously, I'm a human being.
In the back of my mind, I'm always like, I
think this guy in this apartment said a little bit
of this guy's better in this apartment. Let's see what happens.
But you always just got to say like neutral because
I'm promoting the fight, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
But I would say this, or because in remaining neutral,
you should again remaining neutral, you should let your Intervince
McMahon push the business because you're a good shit talker
and you're you're you know, people like you for that
and you back it up and you know, without being
favored to another fighter, just for the business to keep

(01:01:33):
doing that, you know, like do your thing because I
think it'll help the business. Well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
In this one coming up between Verdom and uh JDS.
I do the math every that I talk to my
good friend and partner every day and we talk like
who do you got today? And every day like switches.
So on this one in particular, it's not even the
promoter me, it's I'm really like, fuck, I could see
this going both ways.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
You know, I might come on the eighth. That would
be we got.

Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
You, we got and you can stir up all the
pots you want, Bro. No ramification, ramifications? Bro, what is
it called when the politicians can do whatever they want to? Impunity?

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Impunity?

Speaker 3 (01:02:05):
Unity? Brother?

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
I need diplomatic compunity.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
I need game bread, granted, I need game bread bare
knuckle impunity.

Speaker 3 (01:02:11):
You're talking to supreme leader of game Bread International.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
We got you there, Okay. I just want to make
sure that that's on board the whole time. I appreciate
the time, God, but that's awesome

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