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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yes, have No Fear of the Iron.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Rapaport Stereo podcast is here on today's I Am Rapaport
Stereo podcast. One of my favorite boxers of all time
from Philadelphi, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Crazy life, crazy story, charismatic, great storyteller,
(00:35):
great shit talker, great perspective on the world, great perspective
on being one of the greatest fighters of all time.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Be hop the Alien.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Bernard Hopkins is my guest on today's I Am Rapaport
Stereo podcast. This is a two parter because it's so
much to just so much shit talking, so many great
stories about Just trust me Bernard Hopkins. Museum quality Championship
(01:11):
podcasting with the Great Bernard Hopkins. Coming up right now,
Miles Jordan Ak The Bleach Brothers aka the Dust brother
Start this puppy off something real nice. Start this puppy
off it something real nice, but most important, start this
puppy off with something real funky.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
This is the I Am Rappaport Stereo podcast. B hop
the Executioner, the Alien.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Unified the middleweight division, one of the greatest fighters of
all time, one of the greatest middleweight boxers of all time,
Philly's finest on the iron wrap Port stereo podcast looking fantastic.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
But listen, ducking pays off. I mean you have to.
You have to pay.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It pays off man and and of course you know
taking care of yourself in between those those victories and defeats,
and you must be conscious of that to be successful
long term twenty eight years, almost three decades, and again
twenty eight years starting eighty eight, nineteen eighty eight, fresh out,
fresh out of penitentiary.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
See you're gonna get me. I'm not gonna We're gonna
get We're gonna jump around. We're gonna jump around.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I started twenty five a is pro, but I started
boxing through a generation of mother and father, brothers, uncles
on each side of defense, basically your parents. I started
boxing like seventy eight years old, Golden Gloves, aau coming
to New York on an Ohio State Fair.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
That was the big thing. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
There's no way I'm gonna be able to take on
the life in times of Bernard Hopkins. In one podcast,
so like said, I'm gonna jump around, We're gonna move,
We're gonna roll a shoulder, We're gonna throw a jab,
I'm gonna duck I'm gonna throw this. It's gonna be
like that, correct, because I can't get the life and
times you were telling me before we started. Your daughter
just graduated college.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Pace University.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Absolutely, I didn't want to blow you up Pace University,
which I would be so proud of.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, I am, I am.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's not only a great thing for her, but it's
a great thing for the legacy that I'm building and
I've built now, and this is to pass the baton
through the family and be the first one in the
family to be able to establish going into generations whether
I'm here or not, to enjoy it started here with
(03:45):
me on this level.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
In your darkest hours before fighting, you mentioned being in prison.
A lot of people know your story. I want to,
you know, get into it somewhat, But like I said,
I can't take on your whole life because even though
you look third five, thirty four, maybe thirty some I
say thirty.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Six years hold thirty four ish, you feel thirty four ish?
How old you now? I'll be fifty nine January fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Can't do an entire Bernard Hopkins life in Times in
one podcast. In your darkest hours of your life, the
darkest times darkest months years of your life. Did you
ever imagine you'd say, my daughter just graduated Pace University.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
No? Why not?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Because I didn't think I was going to be actually alive,
let alone successful, until I went through certain stages of
my life and I wanted to prove people wrong, which
became a habit. It became really a good habit for me,
not only in my personal life, making the right decisions
to not go back and repeat.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Or validate a parole.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I use that as as a voice in my ear
saying you can't, and I'm gonna show I can.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I'm gonna show the world I can.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
One of the things that I know a lot of
people are and certainly fascinated by it. When you were fighting,
you always stayed in shape, You never got too far
off of weight. You still talk about, you still show
and prove taking care of yourself. Some say you live
a monk's life existence. I don't know if it's the
(05:17):
same now.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
You know when you're training four pounds over my fighting weight,
which was almost seven and a half years ago, which
is crazy. So two of that to say water, So
I'm right on weight. I'm right on weight. If it
was a week from today to fight. I'm right on
weight based on narrow down the weight three to four
(05:39):
pounds a week before the fight, come on, and most
of that is water.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Like I said, two and a half of that four
is water.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And that's good, living good, eating good jeans is a lifestyle,
is everything. It's all the ingredients you just said for
success in my world. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Now, you're always chill, You're always calm.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You were at the Gervanti Ryan Garcia, he popped off to.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You, I've always seen you as chill.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You've you've even in the ring, your your persona, your history,
your sort of executioner.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You know, he's from Philly, this was his history. But
you've always you're always in control and that is a
strategy Or were you always like that?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
No? So who was the guy and what was the
guy like before you were able to get yourself into
self discipline, controlling your emotions, controlling your actions, and really
it's controlling the emotions which will dictate the actions and
so for and so on. So when you were at
your wildness, was your temperament different?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What was your deal when you were you know, to
get you into the trouble that you got.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Into aggressive very aggressive with no thought behind it. I'll
say that again, very aggressive, were no thoughts behind it,
and that is really a quick exit to the grave, girl,
is a quick re entry into the graveyard or the
penitential for rest of your life because you reacting off
(07:08):
of emotions, right. You want to prove that you know,
and it might be justified. But the way you did it,
the way you approached it, just like business, it caused
you more harm or your life than anything.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So I learned to Actually it took a while.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I learned through time and situations that I have to
control because I do have a really a fight in
me to fight all the time when the battle is
not even right now, or the battle don't need to
be right now.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
You still have that.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I still have that, but I picked those battles different
now than before.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
A because lawyer is expensive.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's very expensive for everything, and then anything and then
second a lot of things. You just can't It won't
never go away for life and you can't take that back.
So I learned how through years that wait a minute,
the fight with Davis.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
A lot of people see what's in you.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
They might not ever tell you that, even in your opponent,
but while I'm chilling, I'm cool.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I let them think about what they see, what they see.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I might not know that until I ask them, but
I know because I feel what they see and I
want them to see it. And that's where I learned
how to use that more than use action.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Moment. That moment.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That moment was a stair down moment. We on D
block right now, and Ryan are staring down. We on
D block right in my mind. We on D block
right now, and I'm looking at you coming down the block,
and you look at me. We know something going on.
It's been brillant already two days ago, three days ago,
four days ago. Right, you see my demeaning right now,
just got lottle in his eyes. These are the things
(08:47):
that I use from that part of life and injected
and mastered it through boxing. I see through those guys.
They looking at me on the stair down. We're in
the middle of the ring. Refies that come come and
they give us the last rules, which I call the
last right before we fight. I'm looking through them. They're
(09:08):
looking at me. There's a difference, and that's why they
have us stand there. When you look somebody a man
in the eye, Uh, huh. When you look at person
in the eye. They didn't have to speak verbally from here.
They body language, the nonverbals, the way they look. And
that doesn't mean you say, oh, I ain't got a train,
i'ma he gonna lay down once the bell ring, right, No,
(09:29):
you put that work ethics behind that makes you even
more dangerous.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But when Javante turned around and popped off for you
before his fight with Ryan Garcia, this is a young guy,
a kid.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
This is a kid that I understood why he was
doing that. Why was he doing that? Because I'm fighting you,
Ryan Garcia, which I my team is fighting you.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Also there's Golden.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Boy Promotion and there's PBC right right, yes, right, that
is the company. And you got also Flow Mayweather involved,
so you have that chemistry rival even in the ring
when Oscar and Mayweather.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So you have that energy going around. You have that
all week.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's been crazy, like all week lean up to that fight,
it's been crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I couldn't they try.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
To have a seat for me at the table, So
I made a table, told my security grabbed the seat.
I made a seat at the table. Then they turned
around and saying no, you can't get in the ring.
They try to get me banned from the stadium, but
the commissions wouldn't go for that because they said Bernard
is trying to help them from not They looked at
the video they see I'm trying to trying to stop
(10:39):
them from moving closer to the edge, which is six
feet down to the ground.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
No fight would have happened.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Everybody got sued or something that happened, and they couldn't
stop me from being in a ring, or they couldn't
stop me from being in the stadium. But they was
doing all kinds of shannigas. Now this ain't calling something
that I wouldn't do myself. It's all mind games.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Know how I got to VOT so I understood it.
The presence of power is not always money. That's your
backup when they see somebody's coming in. As authentic as
I've been and consistent, which most people are not, there
wasn't too much worried about Oscar, right. It's not that
(11:23):
he's the opposite or he is.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's just as a position.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It's just it's like he's going to come in and
Bernald's going to get the man respect and not asked
for it.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
But I'm not going to walk around like Deebo like
a bully.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I'm not going to walk around and try to But
when I see that's trying to be you know, injected
to me or at least presented to me, I had to.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
React to it.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So I feel like I was taking taking up for
my family, which I was, even though it was the company. Like,
I felt like I was the most aggressive one and
in control thought out of the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But that's the reason why I was bringing up that
moment with Javonte pre Ryan Garcia fight was because you
didn't react and you didn't say anything like I respect Vonte,
but you didn't say you bitch, asked whatever you know,
you ain't.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Shit, you can't hold my you didn't. You just stood
there and you asked me why. And because they wanted
me to react, and I didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I knew the game.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Say if I reacted what they dictated previous years when
I was fighting to Tito to flagged and all that,
he's gonna do some crazy and then we would have
a legitimate excuse to him. I mean, it could be this.
He could be the addicant. Were they gonna come at
me with something especially if they got the act on tape.
Everybody got phoned. They wanted me to react, and that's
(12:44):
when I recognized that from the day one I was there,
the week before the fight, I was there, they wanted
me to react, and I didn't react the way they
wanted me to react. So they tried other days and
it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Now pre Bernard Hopkins, the professional fighter, pre be Hop,
the alien, be Hop, the executioner, pre all that, how
we tore.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That stage up. Everybody was out.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I might have been one of the victims too, and
that chaos would have been problem. There was something where
you were not as in control of your ship. It
would have been on and popping. Everybody had been fighting.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
The reason why it would have been a problem, it
would have been I mean, you've seen my behavior and
I'm just used that word behavior prior to retiring, right,
Tito Trenidad.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That was calculated, very smart, very right. We didn't know
who you were, like the layman boxing fan didn't know.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
But they knew who.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And I wanted to make it clear you don't know
me now, but you'll know me later. And these are
the things of saying it and then doing it and
then letting people understand that, y'all. My biggest motivation, My
biggest motivation is when people say I cannot do what
I know I can, and that's what I wanted to establish.
But that there, that moment, that moment of history here
(14:05):
nine to eleven in New York City, right, It's part
of my documentary.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I was here. So it was a lot going on
for me not to.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Win that fight when it comes to what, when it
comes to being focused, when it comes to the act
of the San Juan Puerto Rico with the flag, with
the Tito in the moment we are here in New
York City, let alone, you know, America. It was one
of my greatest the greatest night, not one. I had
a lot of them over the twenty eight years of boxing,
(14:35):
but that night here down in Madison Square Garden, the.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
World's most famous arena, where I'll leave fought Fraser for
fifteen long ones. Come on, where here comes Willis, Here
comes Willis, where Kennedy gave his inauguration, where Andre the
Giant Body slammed Hulk Holgan respectfully.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yes, Hall Holgen, I mean, and here's me like I
got in this history. I got the DNA history of
previous events that went on, historic events that went on,
and I'm part of that catalog that you just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Right, I'm not done yet.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Now I go up and fight Tarvor at light heavyweight,
which Ray Robinson only because of the heat They kept
him from finishing the last two rounds of a fifteen
round fight back then. So I wanted to make history
because one of my idols a Lei Ray Robinson. Ray
Robinson couldn't come out for the fifteenth round because the
(15:43):
heat exhausted. That's one of the reason he lost to fight.
I'm going up to the light heavy They said, you
can't beat Tarvor. What are you talking about. This man
just did the last Rocky movie and kick the hell
out of Kick the hell out of rock I said,
give me Tarvor.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I'm going up to one seventy five.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Wait a minute, but now you're going up from sixty
one one hundred and sixty pounds from one sixty fifteen pounds.
You going up the one seventy five, which no one haven't.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Done in boxing.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yes, Ray Robinson, they said, didn't achieve it, but he
tried it. So I said, okay, if I'm gonna stay
in the game. I gotta have something to chase. Listen, Financially,
I'm cool. I'm living off the interest and not the principal.
I'm good, But what's gonna keep me in the game
if I wasn't fighting for just more than money?
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Speaker 2 (18:07):
Do you miss physically having that challenge, having that something
to shoot for, having that five am six am run,
having you know your training with your late great trainer Fisher?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Do you do you miss all that?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Only thing that's cut out of all that is I'm
not in the ring, but the training, the preparation of
getting ready for any kind of battle, whether it's business,
whether it's real estate, whether it's somebody trying to play me.
You understand it could be all those things so to fight,
and it's in a different arena. With the reform for
(18:46):
boxing that I instigated, I want to get to over
fifteen years. So I understand that this is over for
me right. But far as stand in shape, far as
my lifestyle, my lifestyle has been through boxing. My lifestyle
has been what eat to live, not to die? And
(19:09):
do the things eat to live not to die? And
the most important thing is do for self. When you
can do for self and you can fall and get
up and still continue to do for self and do
with self, Listen, people respect that I don't care where
you live, which you represent. When you do for self
(19:30):
right and you're capable of doing for self. We talk
about those people, we talk about people to do for self.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I learned to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But the lifestyle on top of that, the way I live,
the way I lived even when I was active, right,
the only thing is out of that. I don't get punched.
I don't go to the gym. I have to have
gloves on. I haven't sparred with nobody, noning. I haven't
done none of that clown stuff. I'm not paying a
circus act once I said I was done. Looks how
(20:00):
I planned my life. Look how I played my life.
When I got out, I was going back and forth
to the juvenile burnt that out. Got certified at fifteen
years parole. Now at fifty five or fifteen, I had
but nine to ten years to walk off.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
In Philadelphia in eighties, you.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Know how New York was. Listen, We're in New York
right now. You know how it was in New York City.
You know how it was in any big city, especially
in Philadelphia in the eighties. And I'm coming home with
nine years parole, twenty felonies, fifteen convictions, and I'm coming
home talking about and I lost my first fight in
the Atlantic City resort casino and you mean.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
To tell me that you thought I was gonna be
a Hall of Famer as of June of last year.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Like, the only thing I can say is that the
lifestyle that I've portrayed through my physical career right most
of the time, we dropped that when the career is
over and it gotta mentioned no names, but it could
be football player, basketball play, it could be boxes. They
swell up.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That the Beaties, you would to just lists long to
get died. You a kind of enjoy your labor. I
was conscious of that then. I always had a plan rapping,
I listen. I always had a plan once I got
of knowledge. I didn't have a plan earlier. I was
just running wild, just like everybody else. I come home
in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It was eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Nineteen eighty eight was the time I came home. It
was out there.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
My first fight was in eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I was so fast thinking and quick to get in
the ring so I won't get caught up in a
drug trade game and fill up your car cracked cocaine
that swept through the nation. I took one to fight.
Oh no, Clinton Mitchell was none to Oh that's how
(21:54):
bad it Now? That doesn't look like a fair on paper.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Right, I lost it, said it was cool, but I
ain't like it. Eighty nine now ninety. I rebooted with
Buoy Fisher. I ain't got to tell you what I
did with your guy, buy Fisher, who you met many
times these and God Wrestle Soul. He would not be
missed in this documentary one day when it's put together,
because look, there's so many you mentioned it before we started.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
We don't have enough time to go here and here
and here. Yeah, no, don't. But I'll tell you one
thing for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I am a testimony of not only doing for self,
and I had help from people. But when it comes
down to the grit and balls to the ground, I
had to be that man, right, I had to be
that man.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
There's a lot to unpack from what you just said.
I mean, you said eat to live, eat to live
and not to die. So are you on some vegan
shit like what you were?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I was. I was vegan right before COVID. Right, Well,
then why'd you stop because it became hard to be vegan? No?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Why the nutrients I wasn't getting and the supplements because
people want to hear this podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Nigga say, oh, you know, I'm a professional.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
And everybody's gonna but hold he could have do just
because he just I did, but I wasn't getting the nutrients.
I'm still really even though I'm always in ninety percent
shape when I I don't run as much, but I
do get my cardio.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
In a lot. What's your cardio game? My cardio game
is is rope jumping rope?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Also stop, hold on, hold on? Are we doing rounds?
Are we doing twenty minutes?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
We do?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Minutes? We're doing how many minutes we do? Minutes? Half
hour straight? See you just you just ship it on
my my But it don't seem like half hours, like
fifteen minutes to me. You could jump rope for a
half an hour street Yeah, god damn it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, I'm talking crossing, hold on yards having fun. We dancing.
We call it dancing because when you jumping rope, you
jumping rope. Look it got boring. This is yeah, it
could be I can't do that the jump rope. We
jump rope like we dance. Or I was taught to
jump rope like I'm dancing, right, I jump rope to
be funny I'm looking at nobody's in this situation.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm not dancing for a media crowd with the you
know fight.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Come in, they watching it at the gym and you
jumping and you you're showing off a little, be having fun.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
To do that when nobody's in the room.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Do that when you working out at home in the basement, right,
do that when you had some gym whatever working out
and they got a rope. Right, this is the cardio
where I ain't got to run outside for five or
six miles. Long as that got that heart rate up,
long as I'm on that bike. I love bike riding right,
not inside.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I hate that.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Now I need to move, gotta go somewhere. What's some
Newsy I'm exerbed.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I want to look at stuff I want to I'm
on so I fully got a lot of bike trails,
just like New York. I get on that bike, I
might I don't even know. It's like two hours you
out there, four hours, you stop making coffee, you might
see somebody wrong, and next thing you know, you know,
on the other side of West Philly, right, starting from
North Philly.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You just broke my heart, though, Bernard, when you said
the thirty minute jump rope because I'm on some three
round ship and you probably don't remember this, nor should you.
I had the honor of watching Bernard Hopkins workout, get
in the jar at the wild card boxing.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
The car and the wild card, and it was sir
Freddy Roach, the beauty, great Freddy Roach, the movement.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I've seen it, and now you tell me because I'm like,
oh yeah, I'll tell my wife, Bernard, Babe, I did
three rounds of three minutes each, and now I have to.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Have you banging your chest. I just three No, I'm
not fair, I'm not just bad. I'm on internet, you
fucking sucker.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I just did three minutes, three minutes each, and now
you're telling me at.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
How was seventy six? I'm getting close to it. You're
doing thirty minutes of jumping rope.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, that's when the alien came in. That's when the
second car that came in. See the executioner, then the alien.
Why the alien? The media kept asking me over and
over a fight at the fight. At the fight, these
guys are twenty five years old, top contender, some champions
at that time.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I'm in my forties.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Why are you doing I because I'm an alien. So
I came over with another brand. I told my attorney,
I said, Eric, I said, listen, you expandon, I said,
I want to use that alien.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I started getting these hot halloweens around the corner. At
that time. I told my.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Guys, I said, look, I'm gonna pay you extra, I said,
And I got pictures. I got content of this stuff.
Because I collected everything. I kept everything known this moment
one day was going to come. I got these green
masks kneeling.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You've seen it.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Look the eyes slanted up like like an alien, which
it is. And I said, this is what we're going
to do, because I'm you know what this here, And
it's not only in sports. This here the mind, the brain,
this control, not their harm, it's not there.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I'm sorry. This here, not the mouth.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You can get you in trouble, and it might bluff
a lot of people, right, but this here, this mine
right here right, And the mind in general, if it's
used right, and it's understood and trained right, and you
realize what you have, no matter what happens, no matter
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what they do, you ain't gonna surrender to it. You
look experienced, like you understand the movie business. To any
business or that you're dealing with where you gotta have
this even if the weight out and be patient, and
that's what I've done in my career. Then we start
getting big pay days untilbody what mid thirties.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You know, when it was correct and Tito and then
Oscar and then it.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Was it was over there because I promoted and manage
myself to our team up with Oscar.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
If you didn't wave that flag with Tito, our done you.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Might have just had you'd been one of those guys,
you'd have been like a fighters fighter.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's okay, is extremely blue collar. He's great, but he's great.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
We don't know Joe Schmo doesn't know exactly, and that
would have been in that thing. So I had to create,
of course, controversy. I had to say things, do things
to get their attention. I was attention seeker, right like so,
but not by your fighting style, not by my fighting style,
because I had to beat that and keep that tension
seeker in the back of your head. I had to
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do that because the lack of respect with belts right,
and I had title defenses under these belts.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Tito was coming to get my title.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Don King had the two other pieces, William Joppy, Keith
Holmes right, he didn't have me.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Did you have any comings and goings with Don King
in terms of business dealings with him?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Most promotives? If not?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Don is the first one Federal court three times you
went to federal court. Yeah, undefeated three and oh you're
three and o federal courts three and oh wow? See
do you do contracts right? And I got all. I
paid for all the depositions, so I kept them right
for listen and again I got so much content that
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I kept. Anybody that's in and it can save me
pitching it. And I'm just saying to you, anybody that's
in the storytelling business, then you're not in the business
of what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
What what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Well, I'm gonna flip the storytelling business into a life
of Bernard Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
It won't a story, it was a fact. It was real.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And when I look at these depositions, thanks to my
assistant Joy Tate and my sister Marcian, they've been helping
me in these two rooms in Delaware that literally I
got plastic bends of audio tape VCRRD tape still interviews
on radio shows in Philadelphia, New York, depositions of this, that, this, this,
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that fighting just do what to say. It might have
happened to the other guys back in the seventies, eighties, seventies.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
And in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
But if it's a million dollars here and I'm getting
three hundred thousand, I want to know where all the
money's at.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Right, And I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I wouldn't advanced like I am now, But I had
enough sense to know that if it's a million dollars
and my tax is an't even paid yet, see we
didn't get into that, damn, then you have to understand
that everything came being right off of for expenses. We
know that old trick. I didn't know that back then, Right,
you can expense everything three hundred thousand dollars. You're gonna
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expense three hundred thousand dollars out on clothes, foods, everything,
to say the justification of why you didn't get this,
But I understood that I had to learn the business
real fast, real fast.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
You know why why it's gonna be broke as correct.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And another thing is when in case you didn't know,
and I'm glad we're saying, I'm saying this now because
people be able to go research, because I like to
do this. I like to say, look at that and
then ask you questions. But I can you know, we
ain't the time right now. The reason I'm the only
one of the only fighters me George Foreman first and
then Bernard Hopkins. They received Manager of the Year from
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a Boxing Associations. Every year we have a sort of
like a boxing Grammy. They're gonna have one this year
in New York City. Every year they heaven the Tavern
at the tavern.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Oh, in the in the in the park. Come on,
many get my slow walks in.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I know you do very slows out there, I said,
after the dog was in front of you, about nine
feet in front of you.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I mean, this is this is madness.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
You're supposed to be leased in front of the dog,
not the dog in back. And you you have to
understand cardio. Cardio is supposed to move real quick, right,
not not the turtle snail move.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
You have to you have to move over. When you
show me in Miami, I was sweating, you were sweating.
I was out there, I'm rolling the shoulder, I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And and and I'm glad you said that because if
you if you was out there and you see me,
I had to see you, and you see what I
was doing.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Consistency. No, you can give me this.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
You can give me that I had the shirt off
and everything. I didn't see your shirt off because I
did that.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Once I cleared the beach, they tried to arrest me
for Indeed.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
They said it's indecent exposure. Correct.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I believe that he didn't have a shirt off. Matter
of fact, I don't know if it was a turtleneck,
but it was hot. I know you didn't have no
turtleneck on, but it was had a lot of clothes
on and you and you was just walking and we
we we lined up.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
On each other.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
We ain't say nothing, you look, everything just stopped and
we looked. We look, we look, we look.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And then I switched stamps.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
So we didn't know if he was going to go
Sooth Paul or Orthodox exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And you saw that skill set in me, Bernard, and
you recognize it and you paused for a second, like
when you saw me switch from Orthodox to south Port.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
You were like, oh shit, rapaport, he can you know?
And your stance was good. See, you didn't do that
and keep your feet straight across the balance you had
that you had that thing like you Fencon had the
right foot in the back or the left rather than Paul.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Dude, right, I'm all screwed up. I'm all screwed up because.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Right hand left, Hope south, pauls you can't get away
from this and I can't get away from that left
who get there first?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And then it becomes probably a boring fight.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yes, let me ask you a question because the business
of you know, I'm such a fan of boxing.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You know, I'm fifty three years old.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Boxing was a staple mean stream sport growing up, as
you know obviously you know the fights, Watching the fights
and then going to the paper review fights was such
a part of my life. And you know, to see
the sport change evolved. To see guys that I know
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are great fighters but can't even pronounce their names, you know,
And it doesn't mean no disrespect. It's just like you know,
whether it was Mike Tyson, Muhammad, Ali, Ernie Shavers, Ken
Norton down to Iran Barkley, Ray Boom boom Man, seen
these Sugar Ray, all of them, Aaron, all of them.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
You know, these generations, the generations scooz No.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
But the sport of boxing, you know, it competes with
M M a UFC.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
And I love M M a UFC. I love I've
supported too.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I know a lot of guys in Philipia that you
know n Florida, who who you know into you know
that that type of sport, I don't knock it. We
got to step by game up. That's what we got, Listen.
We gotta step by game up, steadically complaining about the
bullshit and all this and all that. At the end
of the day, Dana White is doing with Dana White
due right, that's his business. But and I don't say
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that negative of positive. I just say that he's a promoter.
When you look at the thing he started and build
that to a want to see around the world. Sport
boxing took a b hit because of the UFC. Would
you agree now, of our fans, how do we get
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that back? How you made those Tang Davis and Ryan
Garcia fight?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You made the fights with Canelo. He's fighting Charlo.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Right, people look at this two big names, but it
also has to be the best fighting the best. What
we came up on in the eighty era, Ray Leonard
fort Tommy Hearns Hagler Duran like, we have to put
the best against the best. How do that happen? Or
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why do that not happen? Because you have no you
have everybody to blame, Golden Boy, this promoter, that promoter,
that promoter. If you're in a promoted business, it's easier
for me to say, hey, it's their business.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Thety now they don't want they fight as the fighters
because they're gonna win. You expect that.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I've said this many times before. Openly it starts with everybody,
including us Golden Boy, Oscar agree with it. They gonna
hear this, and they're gonna listen to it because they
know I'm talking about it. That's the only way we're
gonna get their integrity and respect back, or at least
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to the point of this error where people know that
we are the most sought out, the most seen sport
out of the three sports in the world on the
nation right now, and then soccer ain't gonna help us.
That's just a different animal. I was at the game
see MESSI in Philadelphia. I'm looking at the crowd, got'm
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a lot of love, but I'm also looking at how
the sport that I love. That was part of what
got me at this table, sitting here talking you alive
and well.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Right right, boxing, we passed Harvard coming here.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I guarantee you ain't no student out of Harvard.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I want to sign up and be a professional boxer.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Boxing it's embedded in certing cultures in certain areas where
if it wasn't a lot of fighters you might watch admire,
like even love, they had to basically be good at
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something else, just like they was good at that, they
just didn't reach their top of the line.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And that's what boxing gave me.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That's what boxing gives a lot of other fighters that's
coming up now. Look, you follow me on Instagram, I
follow you. I got kids on Instagram, a lot of them.
I know a lot of them I don't know. And
they got their hands up and I'd be like, you know,
that's that's good.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Fixed this, that's good.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
And they look at us as people that they can
follow behind, and I just want to let them know
that that chance is there. If boxing is there, boxing
is not there, We're talking a whole new different things.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
So I'm glad it was there for me.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
If you were and you are one of the people
in control. But you can only control your business. You
can only control your say in Golden Boy. But if
Bernard Hopkins was in control of all of boxing, just you,
what would you do? What would be a few things
you would insist that would make happen to build the
sport back to what it used to be and what
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it should be.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
They one day one regulation. It has to be explain
the regulation will be. It has to be regulated where
it be a bigger power than the powers that govern
themselves in boxing right now, the people that govern themselves
is the same people that can go against their own
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rules that they make. So basically, you got the fox
watching the chicken and thinking, as they're going to be there.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
When you get there, and if the fox in the chicken,
you're saying, WBA, WBC.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Could you make it like the whole boxing section NBA,
NFL need we need regulations, you need a union after that,
you need to have boxing. Boxing right now has always
been in business, even though we're in twenty twenty three.
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A red light district, a red light district in any
the red light district because that is corrupt. Corrupt is
of course it is, and it's corrupt in the way
of what.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Let me tell you how it's corrupt. It's not corrupt.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Where the old mob days, somebody come in, they got
an envelope, they got there's none of that going on.
It's corrupt by association. I say that again, it's corrupt
by association. It's corrupt when I know who your fighter
is with, you know who my fighter is with.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
But who got the stronger tides with that?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Particular people which they are could be sanction embodies, So
it could be the government of a sinction embody, it
could be somebody's power in that sainction nobodies.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And when WBO, let me run them.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Down, WBC, WBA, IBF, and a WBO. Those are the four.
They are the four strongest in order that I just
gave you. If you have a relationship with any of
those sanctioning bodies that is not professional on the lines
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of the boxing rules that they set, you will find
out sooner than later that you ain't the pretty face
in the building.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Doesn't matter how talented you are, doesn't make how talent
and how actually pretty you are.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
You're just seeing that decisions a couple of months ago,
where people are still rolling about where you sitting there
as a fan and you were sitting there as a judge.
How did you not see the other judge? You got
three at the table? What fight was you watch? Well?
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What the fuck are we gonna do about this? But
now you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
But what the fuck are we gonna do about this?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
You know, because I'm speaking in the UFC where it's like,
come on, man, we're not fucking So hold up.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I got a solution.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And I ain't had to go to Harvard to come
up with this.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
That's why when you say corrupt, because that's I'm not
the smartest person in the well. Put it this way,
I'm not the dumbest in the world. I'm not the
smartest in the world. So how can I have this
solution right away? I'm gonna give it to you.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
First.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
You start with open scoring, which means that every time
the bell rings for the next round, way before that
next round comes, you know who won the first round?
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Period? Doord is know who won the first round? Stop?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Oh no, wait, But before you go to that, I
want to answer this me and you have one round.
The first round, we come out. I pepper you up,
I pepper you up. What is the scoring of boxing?
How does it work? The ten eight seven nine? What
the fuck is this shit? The three judges three, it's ridiculous.
Three judges that's at the ring? How can here here?
They're sitting there watching. Hopefully they ain't distracted, they ain't.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Looking at nobody. They could see everything.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Hopefully nobody's calling a Diane or whatever they call.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (43:00):
They throwing punches? But this ing fast punching fast punches.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Now you're relying on their.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Vision, re relying on their experience, re relying on no.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Technology in twenty twenty three, which I think is stupid boxing.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Listen, boxing is still in the fifties, even though the
money has changed.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
So now we're talking about three judges sitting in the ringside.
They all got scoring that doesn't match what we all seen.
That's a big, big cancer, huge on boxing.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Number one, that's number one.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
That gotta be. They gotta be from the gate. Then
second we get a second one because this is very important.
You know how those guys they get in boxing, they say, hey,
you know, but you know I heard Don Kenny won
beat up on Don King died, and I'm not a
crusader or a fan of don king. But there's a
lot of don kings out there today, all right. They
just don't they just don't have their hair and all
that stuff. But they did a lot of don king thinking.
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I said that way, that's a better way. A lot
of don king thinking, guys. But guess what the Mohammed
Ali Act, that's law today.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
My blood is on that. Explain it, look, look it up.
It is there. I went.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I was invited to New York City here by sending
the McCain, the great late Grinson and McCain and Elli
Spitzer fifteen plus years ago to speak in front of
all the dignitaries in Manhattan about why it should or
should not be a law that protect fighters from the
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greedy slobs of boxing.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
And I had.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
To speak in front of all them, which I did eloquently.
The other fighters there, all promoters, all managers, and less
fighters told Oscar Oscar, wasn't there, boy Jones? These were
the premier guys, Olympic guys that they voice and again
we listen they we haven't straight talk. Voy wasn't there
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any other fight? James Tony wasn't there? All the great
fighters in my era, I didn't see nobody there. But
I was always the black sheep in boxing. I was
always going against the grain of boxing. And that's why
the big paydays ain't coming til my late thirties. After
Tito I was thirty five and off for Tito. Damn
I was old. Then they were saying, he old, Tito's undefeated,
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He's gonna beat him. Just beat Oscar for that Spit
decision whatever Oscar in the fight. So boxing has to
go to When the Senate hearings was held by Senner
McCain again and Ellis Spitzer, why Bernard tell all the
dignitaries why this.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Should be low because we negotiate in the dark.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
What do you mean, well in boxing, I don't know
if the business that you've been into the same wave.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I doubt it.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
The promoter go gets a license fee from the network.
The promoters today don't have to hustle like the promoters yesterday.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
What I mean is.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
That the promoters today they got major resources than thirty
years ago or twenty years ago, when they had to
go out and get sponsorships and get this and get
that and do the fight.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Now you got TV. It changed the game. When TV
came in HBO.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
They need to get back in the race, but they're
out right now, remember they retire at the forty something years.
The promoter will go to the network. I got Bernard
and Oscar de la Hoyer. The networks say great, the
networks might be them ten million. Then they go to
uh the casino and they use another casino so they
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can fight.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
You sit back there, WA's to fight.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
He's gonna give you fifteen million, ten million, he's gonna
give you eight. I'll take that. So now it's going
to be at the MGM Grand So now paying that correct,
they paying the promote. Everything goes to the promoter. The
promoter now goes and they negotiate with the main event,
which is important. You want to get the main event set.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
No main event means the last fight of the night.
Right that.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Hypothetically, yes, you and Oscar okay fighting we the main event.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Make a deal with us, right, they make a deal.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
With Oscar or they are handlers whoever I'm promoters are
or managers are right. You know, I didn't have a manager.
I became self managed when I realized I better be
or be broke. Yes, I want Manager of the Year.
The only two fighters in boxing history. That one manager
of the year, not because I'm that smart of how
smart people to get their vice boy percent it by
salary not bour percentage. And I made the choice stay
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focused here finished, so I'm a stay focused.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Let me go back to that.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
HBO pays the promoter a license fee. Then you have
a casino wherever that casino at right or stadium, it
gets another hit, right, so say you got thirty million
right now, the promoter said about Now, we ain't talking
about the sponsors yet. We ain't talking about that. There's
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other stuff coming.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
We're not talking.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
About the gate is the guy gate money popcorn? You
know how big the fighter is him get some of
the gate, but very few get dogs hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
We ain't talking about the peanuts.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Princils, all whole thing, all right now, listen, fucking beer.
That's still with the big numbers. That's deal with the
networks and deal with the stadium.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Those are the chunks. That's the chunk, that's the big hit.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
We ain't talking about the foreign sales in it. We
ain't talking about when they show it over there in
another part of the world.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Lady, that's that's another hit. Scotland or that's another hit.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
That's after the fight so over with a year or
two later and still royalty, He's still coming.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
You've never seen it.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
You didn't butcher Rose Royce, and you're happy thinking you're
the baddest person in the world.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
But listen this, Listen this, but don Kingsaw. Now you
know why?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Right, I'm even more dangerous now because I still got
this is not.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Rattled around up there. But listen to this.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
So now the promoter must do what see what he
has guaranteed this money? Is there one thing for show.
All the other stuff is gravy.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
This is here.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
He cut a deal with the star of the main event,
say Oscar Golden Boys star, right. I know where I am.
My eagle can tell me this, But Oscar's star, right.
I was on Jay Lennon on that Monday. I was
on Jay lenn On that Monday with the belt. So
that tells you you've done something right. Oscar's getting thirty,
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I got ten, reporter said, or not? How do you
feel that Oscar's getting thirty and you're getting ten? What
trying to get me to shoot myself in the foot.
I don't want this man to get mad and say
you know I ain't fighting him. I said, well, we're
talking about I believe Bland, Fernandees and Phillips. And we say,
but how you feel that is getting thirty? You only get,
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I said, when they ten become only? I said ten minutes.
You know I was on D block about eight years
nine years ago. Do you understand I have to walk
off nineties parole and then in the most terrible times
in urban America, right, and I'm getting ten men, I
had to hit nobody in their head or or flip
them up down on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
That took off, right.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
That statement is out there, so when you look at
the numbers, and that's how that fight happened. But Tito
was one and Oscar when they aim and the promoters
get that money from the networks, and they sit there,
and they get it from other entities, and they sit there.
They negotiate for themselves first and then they put what
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they would need to put on the table. Now there
is open disclosures because of the Muhammad Ali Act. You
have to sign. Every fighter has to own up to
some responsibility. When I said do for self, you have
to sign that you looked at the numbers.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Every ever in the United States. I don't know about Mexico.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
I don't know why anywhere else, but every state in
America has a boxing commission.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Well they have a fight there.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
You have to you're fighting, you have to sign the
opponent and yourself. You gotta look first, review the papers.
Hopefully you have to sign off before the fight. The
next day. You gotta sign off that you seen and
looked at these numbers, whether you understood them or not,
you have to sign off. My blood is on that,
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like the kirk Flood of this era, and anybody know
who kirk Flood is or was? Rather yes, right, every
person that understands who kirk Flood was, he had a
lot to do with them getting those minions now today?
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Right? Would you agree? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (52:06):
So I consider myself I take that kirk Flood of
this era and that era I was boxing because I
was moved by people that was brave when others wasn't.
Not that it wasn't good people, right, see. Not to
jump off and go somewhere, but I'm telling how my
mom worked. I put it all together, and you'll see
I come right back to where I started. Ali Mohammad Ali,
(52:31):
whether we agreed to disagree, Mohammed Ali, especially way back then,
stood up and said, their Khan never called, And you
want me to go and do these things, and I
(52:52):
can't even go in a coffee shop because I'm black. Right,
What the what are we talking about? What are you
talking about? And these are the things that I believe
a lot of people would love and want to say it,
but they just ain't got it in them.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Doesn't make them bad people.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
I evolved to know that they're not bad people because
they're not like me. I know I'm different and I've
been consistent being different, and that's when they know that
you're not a fraud says a lot of frauding going
on right in all walks of the creation of what's
going on in life.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
There's a lot of fraud and going on.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Is that it's highest peak now way before COVID, but
COVID took it to another level. You know, I told people,
I say, see all these businesses coming up and you
don't want to say or not say, but I am
conscious what I say, because once.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
You open your mouth, you tell the world who you are.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
A lot of these fake business is a lot of
fake people that's running around. When this thing gets to
level out like it is now with it.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
I agree, I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Boom, Thank you so much. Be Hot Bernard Hopkins.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
That was Part one of the Iron Rappaport Sereo podcast
with be Hot Bernard Hopkins, the middleweight champion one of
the best to ever do it. Stay tuned for Part
two coming up on the next Iron Rap Reports Stereo podcast.
It's even better if you could imagine that. Yes, it's
even better, Miles Jordaneke, the Bleach Brothers. Take me at
(54:43):
her with something real nice, Take me at her with
something real loup, but most importantly and this Pumpy with
something real funky.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
Two
Yes, have No Fear of the Iron.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Rapaport Stereo podcast is here on today's I Am Rapaport
Stereo podcast. One of my favorite boxers of all time
from Philadelphi, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Crazy life, crazy story, charismatic, great storyteller,
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great shit talker, great perspective on the world, great perspective
on being one of the greatest fighters of all time.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Be hop the Alien.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Bernard Hopkins is my guest on today's I Am Rapaport
Stereo podcast. This is a two parter because it's so
much to just so much shit talking, so many great
stories about Just trust me Bernard Hopkins. Museum quality Championship
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podcasting with the Great Bernard Hopkins. Coming up right now,
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Start this puppy off something real nice. Start this puppy
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Speaker 1 (01:27):
This is the I Am Rappaport Stereo podcast. B hop
the Executioner, the Alien.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Unified the middleweight division, one of the greatest fighters of
all time, one of the greatest middleweight boxers of all time,
Philly's finest on the iron wrap Port stereo podcast looking fantastic.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
But listen, ducking pays off. I mean you have to.
You have to pay.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
It pays off man and and of course you know
taking care of yourself in between those those victories and defeats,
and you must be conscious of that to be successful
long term twenty eight years, almost three decades, and again
twenty eight years starting eighty eight, nineteen eighty eight, fresh out,
fresh out of penitentiary.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
See you're gonna get me. I'm not gonna We're gonna
get We're gonna jump around. We're gonna jump around.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I started twenty five a is pro, but I started
boxing through a generation of mother and father, brothers, uncles
on each side of defense, basically your parents. I started
boxing like seventy eight years old, Golden Gloves, aau coming
to New York on an Ohio State Fair.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
That was the big thing. I didn't know that.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
There's no way I'm gonna be able to take on
the life in times of Bernard Hopkins. In one podcast,
so like said, I'm gonna jump around, We're gonna move,
We're gonna roll a shoulder, We're gonna throw a jab,
I'm gonna duck I'm gonna throw this. It's gonna be
like that, correct, because I can't get the life and
times you were telling me before we started. Your daughter
just graduated college.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
Pace University.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Absolutely, I didn't want to blow you up Pace University,
which I would be so proud of.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Yeah, I am, I am.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It's not only a great thing for her, but it's
a great thing for the legacy that I'm building and
I've built now, and this is to pass the baton
through the family and be the first one in the
family to be able to establish going into generations whether
I'm here or not, to enjoy it started here with
(03:45):
me on this level.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
In your darkest hours before fighting, you mentioned being in prison.
A lot of people know your story. I want to,
you know, get into it somewhat, But like I said,
I can't take on your whole life because even though
you look third five, thirty four, maybe thirty some I
say thirty.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Six years hold thirty four ish, you feel thirty four ish?
How old you now? I'll be fifty nine January fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Can't do an entire Bernard Hopkins life in Times in
one podcast. In your darkest hours of your life, the
darkest times darkest months years of your life. Did you
ever imagine you'd say, my daughter just graduated Pace University.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
No? Why not?
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Because I didn't think I was going to be actually alive,
let alone successful, until I went through certain stages of
my life and I wanted to prove people wrong, which
became a habit. It became really a good habit for me,
not only in my personal life, making the right decisions
to not go back and repeat.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Or validate a parole.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I use that as as a voice in my ear
saying you can't, and I'm gonna show I can.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
I'm gonna show the world I can.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
One of the things that I know a lot of
people are and certainly fascinated by it. When you were fighting,
you always stayed in shape, You never got too far
off of weight. You still talk about, you still show
and prove taking care of yourself. Some say you live
a monk's life existence. I don't know if it's the
(05:17):
same now.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
You know when you're training four pounds over my fighting weight,
which was almost seven and a half years ago, which
is crazy. So two of that to say water, So
I'm right on weight. I'm right on weight. If it
was a week from today to fight. I'm right on
weight based on narrow down the weight three to four
(05:39):
pounds a week before the fight, come on, and most
of that is water.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Like I said, two and a half of that four
is water.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And that's good, living good, eating good jeans is a lifestyle,
is everything. It's all the ingredients you just said for
success in my world. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Now, you're always chill, You're always calm.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
You were at the Gervanti Ryan Garcia, he popped off to.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
You, I've always seen you as chill.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
You've you've even in the ring, your your persona, your history,
your sort of executioner.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
You know, he's from Philly, this was his history. But
you've always you're always in control and that is a
strategy Or were you always like that?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
No? So who was the guy and what was the
guy like before you were able to get yourself into
self discipline, controlling your emotions, controlling your actions, and really
it's controlling the emotions which will dictate the actions and
so for and so on. So when you were at
your wildness, was your temperament different?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Like?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What was your deal when you were you know, to
get you into the trouble that you got.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Into aggressive very aggressive with no thought behind it. I'll
say that again, very aggressive, were no thoughts behind it,
and that is really a quick exit to the grave, girl,
is a quick re entry into the graveyard or the
penitential for rest of your life because you reacting off
(07:08):
of emotions, right. You want to prove that you know,
and it might be justified. But the way you did it,
the way you approached it, just like business, it caused
you more harm or your life than anything.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
So I learned to Actually it took a while.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I learned through time and situations that I have to
control because I do have a really a fight in
me to fight all the time when the battle is
not even right now, or the battle don't need to
be right now.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
You still have that.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
I still have that, but I picked those battles different
now than before.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
A because lawyer is expensive.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
It's very expensive for everything, and then anything and then
second a lot of things. You just can't It won't
never go away for life and you can't take that back.
So I learned how through years that wait a minute,
the fight with Davis.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
A lot of people see what's in you.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
They might not ever tell you that, even in your opponent,
but while I'm chilling, I'm cool.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I let them think about what they see, what they see.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I might not know that until I ask them, but
I know because I feel what they see and I
want them to see it. And that's where I learned
how to use that more than use action.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
Moment. That moment.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
That moment was a stair down moment. We on D
block right now, and Ryan are staring down. We on
D block right in my mind. We on D block
right now, and I'm looking at you coming down the block,
and you look at me. We know something going on.
It's been brillant already two days ago, three days ago,
four days ago. Right, you see my demeaning right now,
just got lottle in his eyes. These are the things
(08:47):
that I use from that part of life and injected
and mastered it through boxing. I see through those guys.
They looking at me on the stair down. We're in
the middle of the ring. Refies that come come and
they give us the last rules, which I call the
last right before we fight. I'm looking through them. They're
(09:08):
looking at me. There's a difference, and that's why they
have us stand there. When you look somebody a man
in the eye, Uh, huh. When you look at person
in the eye. They didn't have to speak verbally from here.
They body language, the nonverbals, the way they look. And
that doesn't mean you say, oh, I ain't got a train,
i'ma he gonna lay down once the bell ring, right, No,
(09:29):
you put that work ethics behind that makes you even
more dangerous.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
But when Javante turned around and popped off for you
before his fight with Ryan Garcia, this is a young guy,
a kid.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
This is a kid that I understood why he was
doing that. Why was he doing that? Because I'm fighting you,
Ryan Garcia, which I my team is fighting you.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Also there's Golden.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Boy Promotion and there's PBC right right, yes, right, that
is the company. And you got also Flow Mayweather involved,
so you have that chemistry rival even in the ring
when Oscar and Mayweather.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
So you have that energy going around. You have that
all week.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It's been crazy, like all week lean up to that fight,
it's been crazy.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I couldn't they try.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
To have a seat for me at the table, So
I made a table, told my security grabbed the seat.
I made a seat at the table. Then they turned
around and saying no, you can't get in the ring.
They try to get me banned from the stadium, but
the commissions wouldn't go for that because they said Bernard
is trying to help them from not They looked at
the video they see I'm trying to trying to stop
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them from moving closer to the edge, which is six
feet down to the ground.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
No fight would have happened.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Everybody got sued or something that happened, and they couldn't
stop me from being in a ring, or they couldn't
stop me from being in the stadium. But they was
doing all kinds of shannigas. Now this ain't calling something
that I wouldn't do myself. It's all mind games.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I mean, I.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Know how I got to VOT so I understood it.
The presence of power is not always money. That's your
backup when they see somebody's coming in. As authentic as
I've been and consistent, which most people are not, there
wasn't too much worried about Oscar, right. It's not that
(11:23):
he's the opposite or he is.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's just as a position.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It's just it's like he's going to come in and
Bernald's going to get the man respect and not asked
for it.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
But I'm not going to walk around like Deebo like
a bully.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
I'm not going to walk around and try to But
when I see that's trying to be you know, injected
to me or at least presented to me, I had to.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
React to it.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So I feel like I was taking taking up for
my family, which I was, even though it was the company. Like,
I felt like I was the most aggressive one and
in control thought out of the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But that's the reason why I was bringing up that
moment with Javonte pre Ryan Garcia fight was because you
didn't react and you didn't say anything like I respect Vonte,
but you didn't say you bitch, asked whatever you know,
you ain't.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Shit, you can't hold my you didn't. You just stood
there and you asked me why. And because they wanted
me to react, and I didn't.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
I knew the game.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Say if I reacted what they dictated previous years when
I was fighting to Tito to flagged and all that,
he's gonna do some crazy and then we would have
a legitimate excuse to him. I mean, it could be this.
He could be the addicant. Were they gonna come at
me with something especially if they got the act on tape.
Everybody got phoned. They wanted me to react, and that's
(12:44):
when I recognized that from the day one I was there,
the week before the fight, I was there, they wanted
me to react, and I didn't react the way they
wanted me to react. So they tried other days and
it didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Now pre Bernard Hopkins, the professional fighter, pre be Hop,
the alien, be Hop, the executioner, pre all that, how
we tore.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
That stage up. Everybody was out.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I might have been one of the victims too, and
that chaos would have been problem. There was something where
you were not as in control of your ship. It
would have been on and popping. Everybody had been fighting.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
The reason why it would have been a problem, it
would have been I mean, you've seen my behavior and
I'm just used that word behavior prior to retiring, right,
Tito Trenidad.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
That was calculated, very smart, very right. We didn't know
who you were, like the layman boxing fan didn't know.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
But they knew who.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And I wanted to make it clear you don't know
me now, but you'll know me later. And these are
the things of saying it and then doing it and
then letting people understand that, y'all. My biggest motivation, My
biggest motivation is when people say I cannot do what
I know I can, and that's what I wanted to establish.
But that there, that moment, that moment of history here
(14:05):
nine to eleven in New York City, right, It's part
of my documentary.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
I was here. So it was a lot going on
for me not to.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Win that fight when it comes to what, when it
comes to being focused, when it comes to the act
of the San Juan Puerto Rico with the flag, with
the Tito in the moment we are here in New
York City, let alone, you know, America. It was one
of my greatest the greatest night, not one. I had
a lot of them over the twenty eight years of boxing,
(14:35):
but that night here down in Madison Square Garden, the.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
World's most famous arena, where I'll leave fought Fraser for
fifteen long ones. Come on, where here comes Willis, Here
comes Willis, where Kennedy gave his inauguration, where Andre the
Giant Body slammed Hulk Holgan respectfully.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yes, Hall Holgen, I mean, and here's me like I
got in this history. I got the DNA history of
previous events that went on, historic events that went on,
and I'm part of that catalog that you just mentioned.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Right, I'm not done yet.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Now I go up and fight Tarvor at light heavyweight,
which Ray Robinson only because of the heat They kept
him from finishing the last two rounds of a fifteen
round fight back then. So I wanted to make history
because one of my idols a Lei Ray Robinson. Ray
Robinson couldn't come out for the fifteenth round because the
(15:43):
heat exhausted. That's one of the reason he lost to fight.
I'm going up to the light heavy They said, you
can't beat Tarvor. What are you talking about. This man
just did the last Rocky movie and kick the hell
out of Kick the hell out of rock I said,
give me Tarvor.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
I'm going up to one seventy five.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Wait a minute, but now you're going up from sixty
one one hundred and sixty pounds from one sixty fifteen pounds.
You going up the one seventy five, which no one haven't.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Done in boxing.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yes, Ray Robinson, they said, didn't achieve it, but he
tried it. So I said, okay, if I'm gonna stay
in the game. I gotta have something to chase. Listen, Financially,
I'm cool. I'm living off the interest and not the principal.
I'm good, But what's gonna keep me in the game
if I wasn't fighting for just more than money?
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Do you miss physically having that challenge, having that something
to shoot for, having that five am six am run,
having you know your training with your late great trainer Fisher?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Do you do you miss all that?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Only thing that's cut out of all that is I'm
not in the ring, but the training, the preparation of
getting ready for any kind of battle, whether it's business,
whether it's real estate, whether it's somebody trying to play me.
You understand it could be all those things so to fight,
and it's in a different arena. With the reform for
(18:46):
boxing that I instigated, I want to get to over
fifteen years. So I understand that this is over for
me right. But far as stand in shape, far as
my lifestyle, my lifestyle has been through boxing. My lifestyle
has been what eat to live, not to die? And
(19:09):
do the things eat to live not to die? And
the most important thing is do for self. When you
can do for self and you can fall and get
up and still continue to do for self and do
with self, Listen, people respect that I don't care where
you live, which you represent. When you do for self
(19:30):
right and you're capable of doing for self. We talk
about those people, we talk about people to do for self.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
I learned to do that.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But the lifestyle on top of that, the way I live,
the way I lived even when I was active, right,
the only thing is out of that. I don't get punched.
I don't go to the gym. I have to have
gloves on. I haven't sparred with nobody, noning. I haven't
done none of that clown stuff. I'm not paying a
circus act once I said I was done. Looks how
(20:00):
I planned my life. Look how I played my life.
When I got out, I was going back and forth
to the juvenile burnt that out. Got certified at fifteen
years parole. Now at fifty five or fifteen, I had
but nine to ten years to walk off.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
In Philadelphia in eighties, you.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Know how New York was. Listen, We're in New York
right now. You know how it was in New York City.
You know how it was in any big city, especially
in Philadelphia in the eighties. And I'm coming home with
nine years parole, twenty felonies, fifteen convictions, and I'm coming
home talking about and I lost my first fight in
the Atlantic City resort casino and you mean.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
To tell me that you thought I was gonna be
a Hall of Famer as of June of last year.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Like, the only thing I can say is that the
lifestyle that I've portrayed through my physical career right most
of the time, we dropped that when the career is
over and it gotta mentioned no names, but it could
be football player, basketball play, it could be boxes. They
swell up.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
That the Beaties, you would to just lists long to
get died. You a kind of enjoy your labor. I
was conscious of that then. I always had a plan rapping,
I listen. I always had a plan once I got
of knowledge. I didn't have a plan earlier. I was
just running wild, just like everybody else. I come home
in nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
It was eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Nineteen eighty eight was the time I came home. It
was out there.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
My first fight was in eighty eight.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I was so fast thinking and quick to get in
the ring so I won't get caught up in a
drug trade game and fill up your car cracked cocaine
that swept through the nation. I took one to fight.
Oh no, Clinton Mitchell was none to Oh that's how
(21:54):
bad it Now? That doesn't look like a fair on paper.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
It doesn't.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Right, I lost it, said it was cool, but I
ain't like it. Eighty nine now ninety. I rebooted with
Buoy Fisher. I ain't got to tell you what I
did with your guy, buy Fisher, who you met many
times these and God Wrestle Soul. He would not be
missed in this documentary one day when it's put together,
because look, there's so many you mentioned it before we started.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
We don't have enough time to go here and here
and here. Yeah, no, don't. But I'll tell you one
thing for sure.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
I am a testimony of not only doing for self,
and I had help from people. But when it comes
down to the grit and balls to the ground, I
had to be that man, right, I had to be
that man.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
There's a lot to unpack from what you just said.
I mean, you said eat to live, eat to live
and not to die. So are you on some vegan
shit like what you were?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
I was. I was vegan right before COVID. Right, Well,
then why'd you stop because it became hard to be vegan? No?
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Why the nutrients I wasn't getting and the supplements because
people want to hear this podcast.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Nigga say, oh, you know, I'm a professional.
Speaker 3 (23:09):
And everybody's gonna but hold he could have do just
because he just I did, but I wasn't getting the nutrients.
I'm still really even though I'm always in ninety percent
shape when I I don't run as much, but I
do get my cardio.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
In a lot. What's your cardio game? My cardio game
is is rope jumping rope?
Speaker 2 (23:29):
Also stop, hold on, hold on? Are we doing rounds?
Are we doing twenty minutes?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
We do?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Minutes? We're doing how many minutes we do? Minutes? Half
hour straight? See you just you just ship it on
my my But it don't seem like half hours, like
fifteen minutes to me. You could jump rope for a
half an hour street Yeah, god damn it.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
Yeah, I'm talking crossing, hold on yards having fun. We dancing.
We call it dancing because when you jumping rope, you
jumping rope. Look it got boring. This is yeah, it
could be I can't do that the jump rope. We
jump rope like we dance. Or I was taught to
jump rope like I'm dancing, right, I jump rope to
be funny I'm looking at nobody's in this situation.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
I'm not dancing for a media crowd with the you
know fight.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Come in, they watching it at the gym and you
jumping and you you're showing off a little, be having fun.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
To do that when nobody's in the room.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Do that when you working out at home in the basement, right,
do that when you had some gym whatever working out
and they got a rope. Right, this is the cardio
where I ain't got to run outside for five or
six miles. Long as that got that heart rate up,
long as I'm on that bike. I love bike riding right,
not inside.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
I hate that.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Man.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Now I need to move, gotta go somewhere. What's some
Newsy I'm exerbed.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
I want to look at stuff I want to I'm
on so I fully got a lot of bike trails,
just like New York. I get on that bike, I
might I don't even know. It's like two hours you
out there, four hours, you stop making coffee, you might
see somebody wrong, and next thing you know, you know,
on the other side of West Philly, right, starting from
North Philly.
Speaker 2 (24:59):
You just broke my heart, though, Bernard, when you said
the thirty minute jump rope because I'm on some three
round ship and you probably don't remember this, nor should you.
I had the honor of watching Bernard Hopkins workout, get
in the jar at the wild card boxing.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
The car and the wild card, and it was sir
Freddy Roach, the beauty, great Freddy Roach, the movement.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I've seen it, and now you tell me because I'm like,
oh yeah, I'll tell my wife, Bernard, Babe, I did
three rounds of three minutes each, and now I have to.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
Have you banging your chest. I just three No, I'm
not fair, I'm not just bad. I'm on internet, you
fucking sucker.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
I just did three minutes, three minutes each, and now
you're telling me at.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
How was seventy six? I'm getting close to it. You're
doing thirty minutes of jumping rope.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Yeah, that's when the alien came in. That's when the
second car that came in. See the executioner, then the alien.
Why the alien? The media kept asking me over and
over a fight at the fight. At the fight, these
guys are twenty five years old, top contender, some champions
at that time.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
I'm in my forties.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Why are you doing I because I'm an alien. So
I came over with another brand. I told my attorney,
I said, Eric, I said, listen, you expandon, I said,
I want to use that alien.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I started getting these hot halloweens around the corner. At
that time. I told my.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Guys, I said, look, I'm gonna pay you extra, I said,
And I got pictures. I got content of this stuff.
Because I collected everything. I kept everything known this moment
one day was going to come. I got these green
masks kneeling.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
You've seen it.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Look the eyes slanted up like like an alien, which
it is. And I said, this is what we're going
to do, because I'm you know what this here, And
it's not only in sports. This here the mind, the brain,
this control, not their harm, it's not there.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
I'm sorry. This here, not the mouth.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You can get you in trouble, and it might bluff
a lot of people, right, but this here, this mine
right here right, And the mind in general, if it's
used right, and it's understood and trained right, and you
realize what you have, no matter what happens, no matter
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what they do, you ain't gonna surrender to it. You
look experienced, like you understand the movie business. To any
business or that you're dealing with where you gotta have
this even if the weight out and be patient, and
that's what I've done in my career. Then we start
getting big pay days untilbody what mid thirties.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
You know, when it was correct and Tito and then
Oscar and then it.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Was it was over there because I promoted and manage
myself to our team up with Oscar.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
If you didn't wave that flag with Tito, our done you.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Might have just had you'd been one of those guys,
you'd have been like a fighters fighter.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's okay, is extremely blue collar. He's great, but he's great.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
We don't know Joe Schmo doesn't know exactly, and that
would have been in that thing. So I had to create,
of course, controversy. I had to say things, do things
to get their attention. I was attention seeker, right like so,
but not by your fighting style, not by my fighting style,
because I had to beat that and keep that tension
seeker in the back of your head. I had to
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do that because the lack of respect with belts right,
and I had title defenses under these belts.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
Tito was coming to get my title.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Don King had the two other pieces, William Joppy, Keith
Holmes right, he didn't have me.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Did you have any comings and goings with Don King
in terms of business dealings with him?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Most promotives? If not?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Don is the first one Federal court three times you
went to federal court. Yeah, undefeated three and oh you're
three and o federal courts three and oh wow? See
do you do contracts right? And I got all. I
paid for all the depositions, so I kept them right
for listen and again I got so much content that
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I kept. Anybody that's in and it can save me
pitching it. And I'm just saying to you, anybody that's
in the storytelling business, then you're not in the business
of what I want to do.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
What what do you mean?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Well, I'm gonna flip the storytelling business into a life
of Bernard Hopkins.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
It won't a story, it was a fact. It was real.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
And when I look at these depositions, thanks to my
assistant Joy Tate and my sister Marcian, they've been helping
me in these two rooms in Delaware that literally I
got plastic bends of audio tape VCRRD tape still interviews
on radio shows in Philadelphia, New York, depositions of this, that, this, this,
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that fighting just do what to say. It might have
happened to the other guys back in the seventies, eighties, seventies.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
And in the nineties.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
But if it's a million dollars here and I'm getting
three hundred thousand, I want to know where all the
money's at.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Right, And I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
I wouldn't advanced like I am now, But I had
enough sense to know that if it's a million dollars
and my tax is an't even paid yet, see we
didn't get into that, damn, then you have to understand
that everything came being right off of for expenses. We
know that old trick. I didn't know that back then, Right,
you can expense everything three hundred thousand dollars. You're gonna
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expense three hundred thousand dollars out on clothes, foods, everything,
to say the justification of why you didn't get this,
But I understood that I had to learn the business
real fast, real fast.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
You know why why it's gonna be broke as correct.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
And another thing is when in case you didn't know,
and I'm glad we're saying, I'm saying this now because
people be able to go research, because I like to
do this. I like to say, look at that and
then ask you questions. But I can you know, we
ain't the time right now. The reason I'm the only
one of the only fighters me George Foreman first and
then Bernard Hopkins. They received Manager of the Year from
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a Boxing Associations. Every year we have a sort of
like a boxing Grammy. They're gonna have one this year
in New York City. Every year they heaven the Tavern
at the tavern.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Oh, in the in the in the park. Come on,
many get my slow walks in.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
I know you do very slows out there, I said,
after the dog was in front of you, about nine
feet in front of you.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
I mean, this is this is madness.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
You're supposed to be leased in front of the dog,
not the dog in back. And you you have to
understand cardio. Cardio is supposed to move real quick, right,
not not the turtle snail move.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
You have to you have to move over. When you
show me in Miami, I was sweating, you were sweating.
I was out there, I'm rolling the shoulder, I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
And and and I'm glad you said that because if
you if you was out there and you see me,
I had to see you, and you see what I
was doing.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Consistency. No, you can give me this.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
You can give me that I had the shirt off
and everything. I didn't see your shirt off because I
did that.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Once I cleared the beach, they tried to arrest me
for Indeed.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
They said it's indecent exposure. Correct.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I believe that he didn't have a shirt off. Matter
of fact, I don't know if it was a turtleneck,
but it was hot. I know you didn't have no
turtleneck on, but it was had a lot of clothes
on and you and you was just walking and we
we we lined up.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
On each other.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
We ain't say nothing, you look, everything just stopped and
we looked. We look, we look, we look.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
And then I switched stamps.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
So we didn't know if he was going to go
Sooth Paul or Orthodox exactly.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
And you saw that skill set in me, Bernard, and
you recognize it and you paused for a second, like
when you saw me switch from Orthodox to south Port.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
You were like, oh shit, rapaport, he can you know?
And your stance was good. See, you didn't do that
and keep your feet straight across the balance you had
that you had that thing like you Fencon had the
right foot in the back or the left rather than Paul.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Dude, right, I'm all screwed up. I'm all screwed up because.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Right hand left, Hope south, pauls you can't get away
from this and I can't get away from that left
who get there first?
Speaker 1 (33:41):
And then it becomes probably a boring fight.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yes, let me ask you a question because the business
of you know, I'm such a fan of boxing.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You know, I'm fifty three years old.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Boxing was a staple mean stream sport growing up, as
you know obviously you know the fights, Watching the fights
and then going to the paper review fights was such
a part of my life. And you know, to see
the sport change evolved. To see guys that I know
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are great fighters but can't even pronounce their names, you know,
And it doesn't mean no disrespect. It's just like you know,
whether it was Mike Tyson, Muhammad, Ali, Ernie Shavers, Ken
Norton down to Iran Barkley, Ray Boom boom Man, seen
these Sugar Ray, all of them, Aaron, all of them.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
You know, these generations, the generations scooz No.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
But the sport of boxing, you know, it competes with
M M a UFC.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
And I love M M a UFC. I love I've
supported too.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I know a lot of guys in Philipia that you
know n Florida, who who you know into you know
that that type of sport, I don't knock it. We
got to step by game up. That's what we got, Listen.
We gotta step by game up, steadically complaining about the
bullshit and all this and all that. At the end
of the day, Dana White is doing with Dana White
due right, that's his business. But and I don't say
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that negative of positive. I just say that he's a promoter.
When you look at the thing he started and build
that to a want to see around the world. Sport
boxing took a b hit because of the UFC. Would
you agree now, of our fans, how do we get
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that back? How you made those Tang Davis and Ryan
Garcia fight?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
You made the fights with Canelo. He's fighting Charlo.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Right, people look at this two big names, but it
also has to be the best fighting the best. What
we came up on in the eighty era, Ray Leonard
fort Tommy Hearns Hagler Duran like, we have to put
the best against the best. How do that happen? Or
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why do that not happen? Because you have no you
have everybody to blame, Golden Boy, this promoter, that promoter,
that promoter. If you're in a promoted business, it's easier
for me to say, hey, it's their business.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Thety now they don't want they fight as the fighters
because they're gonna win. You expect that.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
I've said this many times before. Openly it starts with everybody,
including us Golden Boy, Oscar agree with it. They gonna
hear this, and they're gonna listen to it because they
know I'm talking about it. That's the only way we're
gonna get their integrity and respect back, or at least
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to the point of this error where people know that
we are the most sought out, the most seen sport
out of the three sports in the world on the
nation right now, and then soccer ain't gonna help us.
That's just a different animal. I was at the game
see MESSI in Philadelphia. I'm looking at the crowd, got'm
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a lot of love, but I'm also looking at how
the sport that I love. That was part of what
got me at this table, sitting here talking you alive
and well.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Right right, boxing, we passed Harvard coming here.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I guarantee you ain't no student out of Harvard.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
I want to sign up and be a professional boxer.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Boxing it's embedded in certing cultures in certain areas where
if it wasn't a lot of fighters you might watch admire,
like even love, they had to basically be good at
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something else, just like they was good at that, they
just didn't reach their top of the line.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
And that's what boxing gave me.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
That's what boxing gives a lot of other fighters that's
coming up now. Look, you follow me on Instagram, I
follow you. I got kids on Instagram, a lot of them.
I know a lot of them I don't know. And
they got their hands up and I'd be like, you know,
that's that's good.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
Fixed this, that's good.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
And they look at us as people that they can
follow behind, and I just want to let them know
that that chance is there. If boxing is there, boxing
is not there, We're talking a whole new different things.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
So I'm glad it was there for me.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
Podcast.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
If you were and you are one of the people
in control. But you can only control your business. You
can only control your say in Golden Boy. But if
Bernard Hopkins was in control of all of boxing, just you,
what would you do? What would be a few things
you would insist that would make happen to build the
sport back to what it used to be and what
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it should be.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
They one day one regulation. It has to be explain
the regulation will be. It has to be regulated where
it be a bigger power than the powers that govern
themselves in boxing right now, the people that govern themselves
is the same people that can go against their own
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rules that they make. So basically, you got the fox
watching the chicken and thinking, as they're going to be there.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
When you get there, and if the fox in the chicken,
you're saying, WBA, WBC.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Could you make it like the whole boxing section NBA,
NFL need we need regulations, you need a union after that,
you need to have boxing. Boxing right now has always
been in business, even though we're in twenty twenty three.
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A red light district, a red light district in any
the red light district because that is corrupt. Corrupt is
of course it is, and it's corrupt in the way
of what.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Let me tell you how it's corrupt. It's not corrupt.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Where the old mob days, somebody come in, they got
an envelope, they got there's none of that going on.
It's corrupt by association. I say that again, it's corrupt
by association. It's corrupt when I know who your fighter
is with, you know who my fighter is with.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
But who got the stronger tides with that?
Speaker 3 (40:33):
Particular people which they are could be sanction embodies, So
it could be the government of a sinction embody, it
could be somebody's power in that sainction nobodies.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
And when WBO, let me run them.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Down, WBC, WBA, IBF, and a WBO. Those are the four.
They are the four strongest in order that I just
gave you. If you have a relationship with any of
those sanctioning bodies that is not professional on the lines
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of the boxing rules that they set, you will find
out sooner than later that you ain't the pretty face
in the building.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Doesn't matter how talented you are, doesn't make how talent
and how actually pretty you are.
Speaker 3 (41:27):
You're just seeing that decisions a couple of months ago,
where people are still rolling about where you sitting there
as a fan and you were sitting there as a judge.
How did you not see the other judge? You got
three at the table? What fight was you watch? Well?
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What the fuck are we gonna do about this? But
now you understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
But what the fuck are we gonna do about this?
Speaker 2 (41:55):
You know, because I'm speaking in the UFC where it's like,
come on, man, we're not fucking So hold up.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
I got a solution.
Speaker 2 (42:02):
What is it?
Speaker 1 (42:03):
And I ain't had to go to Harvard to come
up with this.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
That's why when you say corrupt, because that's I'm not
the smartest person in the well. Put it this way,
I'm not the dumbest in the world. I'm not the
smartest in the world. So how can I have this
solution right away? I'm gonna give it to you.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
First.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
You start with open scoring, which means that every time
the bell rings for the next round, way before that
next round comes, you know who won the first round?
Speaker 1 (42:29):
Period? Doord is know who won the first round? Stop?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
Oh no, wait, But before you go to that, I
want to answer this me and you have one round.
The first round, we come out. I pepper you up,
I pepper you up. What is the scoring of boxing?
How does it work? The ten eight seven nine? What
the fuck is this shit? The three judges three, it's ridiculous.
Three judges that's at the ring? How can here here?
They're sitting there watching. Hopefully they ain't distracted, they ain't.
Speaker 1 (42:56):
Looking at nobody. They could see everything.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Hopefully nobody's calling a Diane or whatever they call.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Hey, how you doing?
Speaker 3 (43:00):
They throwing punches? But this ing fast punching fast punches.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Now you're relying on their.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
Vision, re relying on their experience, re relying on no.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Technology in twenty twenty three, which I think is stupid boxing.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Listen, boxing is still in the fifties, even though the
money has changed.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Correct.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
So now we're talking about three judges sitting in the ringside.
They all got scoring that doesn't match what we all seen.
That's a big, big cancer, huge on boxing.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
Number one, that's number one.
Speaker 3 (43:43):
That gotta be. They gotta be from the gate. Then
second we get a second one because this is very important.
You know how those guys they get in boxing, they say, hey,
you know, but you know I heard Don Kenny won
beat up on Don King died, and I'm not a
crusader or a fan of don king. But there's a
lot of don kings out there today, all right. They
just don't they just don't have their hair and all
that stuff. But they did a lot of don king thinking.
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I said that way, that's a better way. A lot
of don king thinking, guys. But guess what the Mohammed
Ali Act, that's law today.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
My blood is on that. Explain it, look, look it up.
It is there. I went.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
I was invited to New York City here by sending
the McCain, the great late Grinson and McCain and Elli
Spitzer fifteen plus years ago to speak in front of
all the dignitaries in Manhattan about why it should or
should not be a law that protect fighters from the
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greedy slobs of boxing.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
And I had.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
To speak in front of all them, which I did eloquently.
The other fighters there, all promoters, all managers, and less
fighters told Oscar Oscar, wasn't there, boy Jones? These were
the premier guys, Olympic guys that they voice and again
we listen they we haven't straight talk. Voy wasn't there
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any other fight? James Tony wasn't there? All the great
fighters in my era, I didn't see nobody there. But
I was always the black sheep in boxing. I was
always going against the grain of boxing. And that's why
the big paydays ain't coming til my late thirties. After
Tito I was thirty five and off for Tito. Damn
I was old. Then they were saying, he old, Tito's undefeated,
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He's gonna beat him. Just beat Oscar for that Spit
decision whatever Oscar in the fight. So boxing has to
go to When the Senate hearings was held by Senner
McCain again and Ellis Spitzer, why Bernard tell all the
dignitaries why this.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
Should be low because we negotiate in the dark.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
What do you mean, well in boxing, I don't know
if the business that you've been into the same wave.
Speaker 1 (46:12):
I doubt it.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
The promoter go gets a license fee from the network.
The promoters today don't have to hustle like the promoters yesterday.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
What I mean is.
Speaker 3 (46:26):
That the promoters today they got major resources than thirty
years ago or twenty years ago, when they had to
go out and get sponsorships and get this and get
that and do the fight.
Speaker 1 (46:38):
Now you got TV. It changed the game. When TV
came in HBO.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
They need to get back in the race, but they're
out right now, remember they retire at the forty something years.
The promoter will go to the network. I got Bernard
and Oscar de la Hoyer. The networks say great, the
networks might be them ten million. Then they go to
uh the casino and they use another casino so they
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can fight.
Speaker 1 (47:06):
You sit back there, WA's to fight.
Speaker 3 (47:07):
He's gonna give you fifteen million, ten million, he's gonna
give you eight. I'll take that. So now it's going
to be at the MGM Grand So now paying that correct,
they paying the promote. Everything goes to the promoter. The
promoter now goes and they negotiate with the main event,
which is important. You want to get the main event set.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
No main event means the last fight of the night.
Right that.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
Hypothetically, yes, you and Oscar okay fighting we the main event.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
Make a deal with us, right, they make a deal.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
With Oscar or they are handlers whoever I'm promoters are
or managers are right. You know, I didn't have a manager.
I became self managed when I realized I better be
or be broke. Yes, I want Manager of the Year.
The only two fighters in boxing history. That one manager
of the year, not because I'm that smart of how
smart people to get their vice boy percent it by
salary not bour percentage. And I made the choice stay
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focused here finished, so I'm a stay focused.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Let me go back to that.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
HBO pays the promoter a license fee. Then you have
a casino wherever that casino at right or stadium, it
gets another hit, right, so say you got thirty million
right now, the promoter said about Now, we ain't talking
about the sponsors yet. We ain't talking about that. There's
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other stuff coming.
Speaker 1 (48:30):
We're not talking.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
About the gate is the guy gate money popcorn? You
know how big the fighter is him get some of
the gate, but very few get dogs hot dogs.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
We ain't talking about the peanuts.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
Princils, all whole thing, all right now, listen, fucking beer.
That's still with the big numbers. That's deal with the
networks and deal with the stadium.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Those are the chunks. That's the chunk, that's the big hit.
Speaker 3 (48:53):
We ain't talking about the foreign sales in it. We
ain't talking about when they show it over there in
another part of the world.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
Lady, that's that's another hit. Scotland or that's another hit.
Speaker 3 (49:02):
That's after the fight so over with a year or
two later and still royalty, He's still coming.
Speaker 1 (49:05):
You've never seen it.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
You didn't butcher Rose Royce, and you're happy thinking you're
the baddest person in the world.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
But listen this, Listen this, but don Kingsaw. Now you
know why?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Right, I'm even more dangerous now because I still got
this is not.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
Rattled around up there. But listen to this.
Speaker 3 (49:21):
So now the promoter must do what see what he
has guaranteed this money? Is there one thing for show.
All the other stuff is gravy.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
This is here.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
He cut a deal with the star of the main event,
say Oscar Golden Boys star, right. I know where I am.
My eagle can tell me this, But Oscar's star, right.
I was on Jay Lennon on that Monday. I was
on Jay lenn On that Monday with the belt. So
that tells you you've done something right. Oscar's getting thirty,
(49:53):
I got ten, reporter said, or not? How do you
feel that Oscar's getting thirty and you're getting ten? What
trying to get me to shoot myself in the foot.
I don't want this man to get mad and say
you know I ain't fighting him. I said, well, we're
talking about I believe Bland, Fernandees and Phillips. And we say,
but how you feel that is getting thirty? You only get,
(50:15):
I said, when they ten become only? I said ten minutes.
You know I was on D block about eight years
nine years ago. Do you understand I have to walk
off nineties parole and then in the most terrible times
in urban America, right, and I'm getting ten men, I
had to hit nobody in their head or or flip
them up down on the sidewalk.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
That took off, right.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
That statement is out there, so when you look at
the numbers, and that's how that fight happened. But Tito
was one and Oscar when they aim and the promoters
get that money from the networks, and they sit there,
and they get it from other entities, and they sit there.
They negotiate for themselves first and then they put what
(51:00):
they would need to put on the table. Now there
is open disclosures because of the Muhammad Ali Act. You
have to sign. Every fighter has to own up to
some responsibility. When I said do for self, you have
to sign that you looked at the numbers.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Every ever in the United States. I don't know about Mexico.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
I don't know why anywhere else, but every state in
America has a boxing commission.
Speaker 1 (51:26):
Well they have a fight there.
Speaker 3 (51:28):
You have to you're fighting, you have to sign the
opponent and yourself. You gotta look first, review the papers.
Hopefully you have to sign off before the fight. The
next day. You gotta sign off that you seen and
looked at these numbers, whether you understood them or not,
you have to sign off. My blood is on that,
(51:51):
like the kirk Flood of this era, and anybody know
who kirk Flood is or was? Rather yes, right, every
person that understands who kirk Flood was, he had a
lot to do with them getting those minions now today?
Speaker 1 (52:04):
Right? Would you agree? Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (52:06):
So I consider myself I take that kirk Flood of
this era and that era I was boxing because I
was moved by people that was brave when others wasn't.
Not that it wasn't good people, right, see. Not to
jump off and go somewhere, but I'm telling how my
mom worked. I put it all together, and you'll see
I come right back to where I started. Ali Mohammad Ali,
(52:31):
whether we agreed to disagree, Mohammed Ali, especially way back then,
stood up and said, their Khan never called, And you
want me to go and do these things, and I
(52:52):
can't even go in a coffee shop because I'm black. Right,
What the what are we talking about? What are you
talking about? And these are the things that I believe
a lot of people would love and want to say it,
but they just ain't got it in them.
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Doesn't make them bad people.
Speaker 3 (53:14):
I evolved to know that they're not bad people because
they're not like me. I know I'm different and I've
been consistent being different, and that's when they know that
you're not a fraud says a lot of frauding going
on right in all walks of the creation of what's
going on in life.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
There's a lot of fraud and going on.
Speaker 3 (53:37):
Is that it's highest peak now way before COVID, but
COVID took it to another level. You know, I told people,
I say, see all these businesses coming up and you
don't want to say or not say, but I am
conscious what I say, because once.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
You open your mouth, you tell the world who you are.
Speaker 3 (53:58):
A lot of these fake business is a lot of
fake people that's running around. When this thing gets to
level out like it is now with it.
Speaker 2 (54:12):
I agree, I totally agree.
Speaker 1 (54:18):
Boom, Thank you so much. Be Hot Bernard Hopkins.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
That was Part one of the Iron Rappaport Sereo podcast
with be Hot Bernard Hopkins, the middleweight champion one of
the best to ever do it. Stay tuned for Part
two coming up on the next Iron Rap Reports Stereo podcast.
It's even better if you could imagine that. Yes, it's
even better, Miles Jordaneke, the Bleach Brothers. Take me at
(54:43):
her with something real nice, Take me at her with
something real loup, but most importantly and this Pumpy with
something real funky.
Speaker 3 (55:00):
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