December 17, 2024 • 46 mins
It's Fox Sports Radio's official Fantasy Football podcast! Mike Harmon and Dan Beyer kick off the show with their immediate takeaways and reactions from Monday Night Football games: Falcons @ Raiders and Bears @ Vikings. Later, the guys review their positional rankings from the previous week and discuss Mike's FIRE QB picks. Plus, Producer Shay shares how Producer Ian's defense picks performed. Listen to all that and much more on this episode of I Want Your Flex!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
The guys help you make those hard decisions. And now
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Speaker 3 (00:32):
Week fifteen in the Books, a doubleheader on Monday nights.
I don't know if Mike Harmon is smiling or not,
but I know that you can get him at Swollendome
on X and Mike Harmon on Blue Skuy. You can
find me on Blue Skuy, at Dan Bayer and at
Dan Bayer on Fox on x Ian Roddy our executive
producer on the Islands Mike. So she's in with us today, Shaye,
(00:53):
welcome in. Do I want your flex.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's a pleasure to be here, guys, Thank you, and
I'm happy to begin. Came to me first.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I think hopefully there you go. Yes, it'll get you
an extra mini bottle of glug. I think we'll get
out of here.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I'm so excited for Gluck season.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Find him on exit FSR Shae, have you made the
jump to Blue Sky for the move over to Blue Sky?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I'm good old boring.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's okay. I'm totally fine Ian as it made it
either despite us badgering him for eight weeks, not that
we're telling him to do so. We just get our
weekly updates from him. But if you want to find
Shay you can at FSR Shay. Let's get into it, Mike,
I guess we can start with your Chicago Bears. Yeah,
the tough night in Minnesota and the Knights just keep
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on getting longer and colder for a Bears team that's
just looking to find their direction. And if you're looking
for any fantasy hopes, you may not want to look
in Chicago right now.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, generally, not a little more from Keenan Allen. He
gets up to six for eighty two and a score
on thirteen targets. A couple times you saw him on
the sidelines post possessions, kind of doing the creaky old
man walk. So I don't know what to read in
from that. DJ Moore did give you eight catches for
forty six yards, but you know a failed two point conversion,
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some other misses along the way, but hey, eight for
eight in terms of targeting. Caleb Williams just one hundred
and ninety one yards and a score, including at one
point he did one of those jump passes and got
absolutely drilled. And Tyson Bagent entered the game. At the
end when it was all said done, DeAndre Swift had
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a touchdown call back for alignment failing to report. Once again,
the operational efficiency of the Bears top to bottom just
continues to astound me. And astound is normally a positive thing.
I use it to really highlight how catastrophically bad and
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poorly this season has gone. Obviously, you know the losing streak.
There's three hundred and eighty five days in a row
without a road win. So they take another one on
the chin. So you know, there's long expository things to
kind of mock the structure. And Thomas Brown, Yeah, let's
elevate a guy who's just getting his foot feet wet
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as an offensive coordinator. Seemed like a brilliant plan. Conversely,
Aaron Jones, how about eighty six yards on the ground,
twenty via the air at a score. Sam Darnold not
world beating, but two thirty one one in one not
getting you to the Promised Land, but not terrible, but
justin Jefferson gets you the seventy three in a score.
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Jalen Johnson played without the sea and at times he
looked like it that they actually stripped the captaincy. They didn't.
It was an air, but it made for some fun
fodder in the post game. Seven catches for Jefferson and
then seven for sixty three from Addison, five for fifty
two for Hawkinson, all playable, right, I mean Hockinson at
ten point two, that's a decent, tight ending game. Addison
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as a number two or number three where it would
have been ranked, given you thirteen point three. Again not
world beating, but you take it and you move on.
Cam Akers even got into the act with a touchdown
run late in this game. I think the highlight for
me though we're the uniforms. Give me the white out
and we'll go from there. After a while, you know,
you start hate watching yes as a fan of a
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squad where you just had glimmers of hope, always thought
the interior and the offensive line play was going to
be the downfall of this squad, and you know sometimes
you hate to.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Be right, Mike. You know, I love your Bears uniforms.
I love the navy that it is, the orange that
it is. In fact, I like it when the Bears
are on the road because the pants shine like the
helmet too. Sure when you are actually wearing the Navies
on the road like they did against Minnesota, there wasn't
as much pop, but still I just think it's such
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a great looking uniform. And I know Minnesota is getting
all of the hype with their white out, and then
it was hype throughout the week, and this was a
helmet that they, you know, debuted before the season, but
we had been waiting for them to actually use it.
A couple of things. It's a lot of white, like
you need to you need to mix it up a
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little bit. My suggestions either do a purple horn or
a yellow horn, because the white horns right now just
look like two sperms on the side of your helmet.
That's what we've got with Minnesota and in this look.
And the other thing I would say is they had
tried to do this a couple of years ago. They
didn't wipe out the end zones, they just kept them purple. Yeah,
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and I don't know if it's the Purdue factor, you know,
where they're like, okay, we can't We've got to make
sure that we know what's inbounds and what's out of bounds.
But no white end zones this time.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know what's funny, dan is I actually referenced that
my daughter had a soccer game on Saturday and seeing
where where kids were positioning waiting on a pass, like
she's out of balance. I don't think she realized it.
Just the color scheme and it wasn't necessarily the same
as Purdue, but it was close enough to you're like,
she can't see where the inline is, she can't tell
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one from the other. So yeah, I agree with you
there and look wherever you can splash some more purple
in But I do agree the Horn had the look
that we were back in biology classes and did some stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah they were. They were swimming all over the Bears
on Monday night. I'll tell you this about the Bears
and we can and.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
In nine months many Minnesota, a.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Lot of Sam's being born. The long term league that
I'm in that that we've talked about on the show.
I know it's a bit archaic, actually new rules are
likely coming for the league next year, but ten teams,
which is tricky enough. We have two running back spots,
two wide receiver spots in one flex, so it's pretty tight.
And this week I was the only person in the
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league to play a Chicago Bear in their starting lineup,
and it was because I forgot to take out Kenneth
Walker because I was out of the play. I was
eliminated two weeks ago, and I had Roma Dunze on
on my bench. The point being is, you know we
have the numbers there, but in what was a must
win week for many in our league, nobody was there
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enough again condensed league, So I gave the parameters of
what it was, but nobody was there. Nobody was winning
a coin flip on the Chicago Bears of do you
play this guy or do you play that guy? The
Vikings defense may have had something to do with it,
but in the end, no one was going with any
other Bears this week.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, at this point, you're just at a vote of
no confidence. I mean, Cole Kmett had a single target
fifteen yards, a Duneza two catches thirty nine yards. He
had a ball thrown at about ninety nine miles an
hour up at his chest in the end zone, and
he whiffed on it. And it was another in a
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great long line of Caleb Williams miss throws. You know,
we talked about it Monday night on the show as
we're watching it, Jason Smith and I for the Network,
And you know, Caleb Williams was more accurate when he
was moving when he was on the run bullet to
Keenan Allen on the drive that ended up with a
field goal after the penalty on the swift touchdown, he
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had a ball towards Allen on theft left towards the
end zone and he just completely overshot him wide open,
safety had and rotated, plenty of space, just lay it
up and In did the Well. I'll compare him to
the last Bears quarterback Justin Fields, right. Why there's a
difference between what Russell Wilson does and what Justin Fields
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does in Pittsburgh line drives versus putting some air under
it and letting your guy go get it. Caleb Attitt
several misses and a doonsay was one of those. So
those that did play him, I'm sure that play is
going to stand out as they cursed their fantasy fates
of Week fifteen.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Over to the other game, because that's that's also some
doom and gloom with the actual winning team.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I'm sorry, did you say boom or doom?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I said doom and gloom?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Okay, yeah, because I thought you were bringing the boom.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
No, I was not, although if I would have known
that was coming, I would have I would have tried
to bring the boom. Falcons win fifteen to nine.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Fucked.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, Kirk Cousins Yauza, you were playing Falcons in this
game here, I you know, played Drake London in another.
Bijon's obviously playing you know, Darnell Mooney. Maybe gets some
love for you, but man, it's it's a rough one.
And outside of Bijon moving forward, and we're talking about
playoff semi finals now in championship games the other week,
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you know, the next couple of weeks. I know the
matchups are good, but man, it's tough to trust any
of these Falcons outside of Bijon.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, I guess London still probably rates top thirty six
if you're going three deep at wide receiver, but that's
kind of gone away, right. You know, we're talking two
two's two to two and flex and superflex and whatever. Generally,
the three wide receiver set has gone the way of
the Dodo bird in many fantasy leagues. But Kirk Cousins
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was awful. Man eleven of seventeen one hundred and twelve yards,
thirty of that go on the touchdown pass to London
where he's wide open. Otherwise indecisive. Whatever was going on
with the exchanges, with the center struggles. There no Max
Crosby to worry about. Yet happy feet doesn't move well
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latterly and just over the course of the game, you're
sitting there going, all right, you're gonna pull the pull him, right,
You're gonna pull him. This is the Raiders with the
with the playoff potential still in the balance, and good
for b John Robinson is twenty two for one hundred
and twenty five al year twelve for forty three. At
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least ran the ball effectively, but he was he was awful.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I hate to see guys, you know, crumble seemingly overnight.
But you know the expiration dates up on Captain Kirk.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, it's it is over with and this is this
could be an age thing. This can be the Achilles thing,
whatever the case may be. But it's over. It doesn't
make it correct that they made the right move in
the offseason, just they have a safety net in that
they have Michael Panick. Still, you should have done one
or the other in my mind, but I think they're
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gonna think that they look like geniuses. I just it's
it's unfortunate and you have to you have to play
Panis now. And I don't know if you're in a
Fantasy semi final or a final, if you want to
to your point about London and the point about you know,
if you're gonna play Mooney or anybody else, you just can't.
You can't risk it because you just don't know who
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is what and where you're roster sets up. At that point,
you're probably in a point where you were maybe in
a coin flip situation, So you're just gonna end up
going with the other guy. Even with the Giants and
Commanders on your schedule for the next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
How does Mooney have one one target against the Raiders. Yeah,
Like I just I was baffled. Look, Kyle Pitts, we
kept seeing all the quotes leading into this game, and
you know, all these anonymous GMS and everything of you know,
the waste that he's been and he's flashed a couple
of times, so I don't just miss it categorically, but
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the consistency certainly not therefore catches twenty eight yards against
the Raiders. But Michael Pennix, you drafted him there for
a reason, and I get it. You'd already signed Kirk Cousins.
You feel compelled. Look, that's sunk costs, right, we get
back into our basic economics one oh one of sunk
costs you got to recognize, like investments in relationships or
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whatever else. At some point, if it's not getting you
the return, you gotta just say it's money we spent.
We'll figure out the rest of the contract. Maybe we
can offload them because someone else is desperate in the offseason.
But ultimately, you drafted Michael Pennix, and at this point
in the season, if he's not ready to go, unless
physically there's something else going on, then it would tell
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me that you made another bad decision there as well.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, and it's there for them for the division. They
are a game back of the Buccaneers. They have the
tiebreaker because they swept them this season. How I have
no idea.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well no, but that's just it, right, that's the insanity
of it.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I'll tell well, actually I do remember the Buccaneers ended
up getting screwed with some calls late in that Yeah,
that game in Atlanta. I will say this about the Falcons,
Zach Robinson at the in the preseason and at the
beginning of the year, they were talking up Tyler l
jeer As. You were going like this guy was going
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to be a part of the offense. And we've actually
mocked those comments here on the podcast. It has happened
a little bit as of late. But what they did
on Monday night, that's what I actually thought Zach Robinson
was talking about at the beginning of the season, Mike
like this, you know, twenty two and twelve if you
wanted to, and maybe it's maybe it's eighteen and.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Sixteen, that's right, whatever that split is.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, But that's the only thing that actually
maybe made sense for Atlanta. But it took him fifteen
weeks to do so, and it also took them kirk
Cousins falling off of a cliff to actually be able
to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Last two weeks. Algier twenty one, carries a total of
one hundred and six yards touchdown in that lost to Minnesota,
So hang a star on it because they got their
asses kicked. But that was only the fourth time this
year that Algier eclipsed and crept into a double digit
carry proposition, which doesn't make sense the way you're constructed.
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And I don't believe Cousins is anywhere near one hundred
percent healthy either. Right, It's like watching Aaron Rodgers with
the Jets all year. It's like, all right, there's a
lot of other things going on once you get between
the white lines, though, we don't care. Yeah, right, you
can only excuse it so much because now you're watching it,
limit your upside of what is a team that is
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on the surface pretty good whether you love pits or not,
don't care. Darnell Mooney is a pretty good receiver and
he showed that throughout the year. Drake London is a
good receiver. B Jhon Robinson. We can argue him where.
You know, let's do a top ten list of running backs.
He might be in the upper half of that, right,
he might be number five based on what he can
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do individually. You've got individual talent. Why are you letting
you go to waste with a guy who clearly is
not not one hundred percent and not capable of getting
you past the twenty point per game threshold. He score
twenty one in that loss to the Vikings. Otherwise, you're
in the teams every week. Dan, It's terrible. It's bad football.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I just I'm more curious, not even what's happens these
next three weeks, but what does happen in the offseason
and the change has to be made. It's then what
do you do if you're in Atlanta? Is their team
out there willing to take on from what you've seen
from Kirk Cousins, Heck no, you knows. There's no way
you would be able to do anything.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
But agree to a buyout. See how many pennies on
the dollars he's willing to take, or what you can
do contract wise to stretch things and screw around with that.
We'd be remiss if we didn't at least acknowledge the
minimal effort in the passing game and the running game
for that matter, for the Raiders. In this one. You
get the touchdown from Abdullah, Great, he wasn't on anybody.
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Seven catches, fifty eight yards for him, Madison twenty one yards.
You're leading rushers, Ritter, I don't did he ever take
a snap from under center? I don't think so, right.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I feel sorry for the brock Bauers owners.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, that was awful. Right now, just thirty five yards,
six targets.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Now it's playoff time, and yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
We were wishing and wanting and hoping, just based on
what he'd done the last couple of weeks for some
love from sincere McCormick. They even talked about him a
little in the pre diame and all seven carries eight
yards insincere.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
If you ask me nicely doing yes, he's Mike Carmen,
I'm Dan Byer. He was injured, so our best to him.
But the joke worked for that point. Hit him up
at Swollen Dome. You can find me at dan Byer
on Fox Chase hanging out as well. That's your Monday
night recap. Thank goodness, who don't have to talk about
Falcons raiders anymore? And I'm sorry, Mike, Thank goodness you
don't have to talk about Bears vikings, but we do
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have to talk about some big injuries that happened in
the NFL and the Domino's effect, the domino effect that
they could have over the next couple of weeks. We'll
talk about it next right here. And I want your flex,
all right, as we always do, you have to start
with the quarterbacks. Welcome back, it is I want your flex.
He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan bayer Shay hanging out for
Ian this week. Patrick Mahomes week to week with a
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mild high ankle spraining. Let's start out with the Chiefs
signal caller and what that may mean for Kansas City
and other Chiefs as well heading into a Week sixteen
matchup against the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It means that the Texans are a two and a
half point favorite at Arrowheads.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
They know something that we don't. Third.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, I would assume that since they do have the
Christmas game, that he doesn't play, and that you do
see your backup scenario here.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
This is yeah, this is the This is such the
tricky part. And this is why this is first of all,
so why the Bills lost to the Rams hurt so
much because you never know what's going to happen, and
home field's on the line, and now the Chiefs have
the cushion, and they do have a bit of the
luxury if you will, to rest him. But I'm sure
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they would love to rest him for two full weeks,
not just nine extra days. But the NFL schedule says differently.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, it's the unfortunate part of the scheduling, and everybody's
like in their hands. Look, the Bears are going to
play three three games in eleven days, don't hear me.
Just get it done already. Just put a channel. Patrick Manneley,
who's on the score in Chicago after the Bears game
just finished the season, Lady, I'm not or callers to
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the station. I'm not even mad anymore. I'm just tired.
But either way, it'll be Carson Wentz. One thing we
do know is he likes to wing it around. So
in terms of you know, any of the Chiefs players
you were thinking of playing, I don't know that you're
necessarily downgrading anybody, you know what I mean. It's like,
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and I don't think Houston's any great shakes either, Like
we've talked about that, you know, add nauseum throughout the
course of the season, mixing's banged up a little bit,
and then offensive line whatever but for Carson Wentz in company,
I think Noah Gray is a guy that's really interesting.
Travis Kelcey still in eighty four catches going to see
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he's banged up too, which means you probably see a
little more of Noah Grace so at the tight end position.
If your league still has a standalone tight end position,
perhaps I'm looking that way, but otherwise I don't know
that you're really adjusting the Chiefs up or down your
board based on Mahomes not being there.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The end of an era in Kansas City. By the way,
on Monday, Clyde Edwards E Laire, always a topic of
conversation on this shows, announced that he was released by
the team. And I know he's gone through some stuff personally,
so nothing but the best for him. But at least
just wanted to pass that note along. But you're right, Mike,
the fact is is it's Travis Kelcey. I don't know
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how many people are running and putting DeAndre Hopkins into
their lineup. I don't know. I mean, patcheck go back
healthy helps them, but even Mahomes, unless you're in you know,
a super flex league, and you're in a league playing
two quarterbacks that you're really really hurt because I would
think that they're probably a better options throughout the league
that you're going to be starting in your league, and
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now it's playoff time, so you definitely probably wouldn't be
starting him. And now in a game where the over
under you mentioned the line is thirty nine and a half,
all of the other parties outside of Mahomes, Yeah, probably
take a hit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think you look over the course of the season,
what do you have set maybe seven multi touchdown games
on the year. I think for Mahomes he had those
back to back games against Buffalo and Carolina, but then
one touchdown games against the Raiders and the Chargers back
to two against the Browns before exiting. He completed fifty
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percent of his passes in that game for one hundred
and fifty nine yards before he departed, So not exactly
world beating along the way, and I think for fantasy
purposes it was one of those all right, I'm not
going to cut him in case with Hopkins, things tick up,
and overall the offense has most weeks been cleaner, but
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in the end, and it's still about Spagnolo's defense. The
Butker injury is kind of big again right when his
leg buckles, because I think you're expecting some return from
him this past week and clearly that didn't happen, So
you know, there's another area of concern for them. But
why not go pick up the guy that was the
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Special Teams player of the week again?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Sure? Absolutely? What about the David Montgomery injury? You move
off Chiefs. That's just a tough one for the Lions overall,
who are just consistently dealing with the injuries week in
and week out. Montgomery in that running game, goal line stuff.
I mean, it's got to be a boost to Jamior Gibbs.
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But what happens in Detroit now without Montgomery for the
rest of you.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
No, that's the hard part, right is you looked at
a guy that you know, we call him, for lack
of a better term, a tone setter, right, and what
he's been each and every week, and the wed laugh
at it with the sonic and knuckles. But it's true.
I mean, not that Gibbs can't run, you know, the
tough runs, but that's not what you pay him to do, right.
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That's kind of like a bonus when he does that
a little bit because he needs to. But that's Montgomery's job,
not that he doesn't have some burst of his own.
But now we're looking at Reynolds, right, and then we
start going down to the depth chart. I mean, I
don't know how much more you can put on Gibbs.
And now he had a shorter workload this week based
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on the way the game played out. Five catches eighty
three yards in the score, but only eight carries also
another score. But a thirteen touch game is not what
the doctor orders. These last couple of weeks, you know,
you're gonna need him to pick up the pays, probably
pick up seven to ten more touches. You do have
the Bears, and I don't expect Look, I expected the
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Bears to give them a run on Thanksgiving and they
did and then we all know what happened from there.
This team is dead Chicago, So I don't know that
you necessarily need that same Jews San Francisco's you know what,
are the one to two percent in terms of playoff
viability entering Week sixteen, and then you have the season
finale against Minnesota, which may be a massive deal at
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this point, but for fantasy purposes, yeah, it's going to
be more Gibbs and then we'll look to see I
guess Reynolds's next man up.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah. I also think Mike in a way, if you
can boost Jared Goff after his performance that he had
against the Bills, they're going to need him more and
your defense for all the hits that they're taking as well.
Now you're going to be in games where you're going
to have to score points, and it's a different sort
of game. It's not let's be physical, yep, get out,
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you know, on a lead, and we can run them
over and then throw these daggers here and there. It
may be pinball football for the for the rest of
their way. For the Lions, if they they want to
win out for the rest of the regular season and
in the postseason, I think that Golf and Saint Brown,
Sam Laport, who has been an enormous disappointment fantasy wise
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this season, those guys are gonna have to take bigger roles.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think you look at it, and for certainly the
last couple of weeks of those division games, heavyweight bouts,
and then this game with Buffalo, look for Jared Goff.
It's look, he's up to thirty touchdown passes. On the
year thirty and ten. As we look at him here
the touchdown to interception ratio. But Saint Brown's now up
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to double digit touchdowns. Laporta at sixty one five point
fifty six and five on the season, lofty expectations.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, he had a two touchdown game and it was
a game where I think he had six yards or
something like it was. It was recent the.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Old Jerome Bettis like stat line, remember that one five carries,
three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yes, but Laporta has been Yeah, it's been a tough
it has and you're gonna need him to have more
of a role. And I don't know if it's because
of you know, you're trying to get Jamison Williams, if
it's the emergence of Tim Patrick, but for whatever reason,
Laporta just hadn't been It was against your Bears. Three catches,
six yards, two touchdowns, that's what it was. But yeah,
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he's just taken a I don't want to say a
back seat. He just hasn't had the effect that he's
had this season. And when the Lions are rolling like
they were, it's not that big of a deal. But
now just with their second loss of the season and
how these last three weeks have gone. You can put
a lot of those warts, become a little bit bigger,
become a little bit more in focus, and you're going
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to need those guys. I'd still ride with them, I
honestly would, because at some point it's kind of like
a Jason Witten thing, Mike. You know, if you've been
playing Witting that whole season, and you know at some
point he's going to get into the end zone because
he's going to score three of them a year. To
your point, if Laporta's got five, he's probably gotten at
least one more in him, so you musill rode him
the rest of the way.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, that was my guy always. Uh that was I
always called Jason Witten allergic to the painted grass. Here's
my eighty five catches, and you hope he would fall
in at some point. Right now, as we look at
the fantasy scheduled to date, Laporta just outside of the
tight end one position. He's at thirteenth, less than two
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points behind Friarmouth, and let's say he's only eleven points
from being tight end six.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, it's a mess.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, so you'll get it, even the inefficiencies, I mean,
to put things in perspective, you know, not to make
it about the Bears, but because I love to mock them.
Cole Comet, who's very pointed about his criticisms of the
eber Flus era and what the offense was under Waldron,
he has for the year, he is tight end fifteen.
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He had a game where he had one point four,
he had two zero's, a three point three, a five
point six, and a two point four, and he's still
tight end fifteen.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Ouch.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, a twenty five point seven game back in Week three,
but just showing you where the inconsistency chaos of the
position is hell. Taysom Hills tight end eighteen. He played
in what eight games now, he had that forty two
point game that puts you over, but also a sixteen,
a fourteen to four, and a nine point seven. But
really just kind of showing the erratic nature of that
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position and why I have seen more and more leagues
starting to, you know, make it a hybrid.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Well, I mean, if you you know, we talked about
brock Bauers just in the last last segment and how
that's a bit of a dip. But I guess, I
guess if you have John Us Smith. If you have
Trey McBride, if you have George Kittle, you're probably feeling
pretty good about yourself heading into the stretch run because
those guys have their quarterbacks right now, and those quarterbacks
have been looking for those guys. And yeah, there's just
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you know, I mean, Friarworth got into the end zone,
you know, and if George Pickens isn't fully healthy, they're
gonna have to throw it to somebody. So maybe there's
some spots there, but you are seeing some other guys
kind of take some hits, as we mentioned with Bowers,
and and if it is Carson Wentz at the you know,
you still roll with Kelsey. But in this case, if
you have Laporta in a coin flip, I think you
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go with him just because I just think the Lions
are going to continue to need to score thirty and
forty points a game to win games.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Last one. McBride second tight end, right, he's little more
than a little less than a point. I had a
George Kittle one hundred and ninety five points on the year.
You know what's dat, I'm gonna bring up the goose
eg zero touchdowns. He's the number two tight end.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I'll tell you what, Tyree kill owners can't stand john
Us Smith either, so there's there that aspect of it.
The Jonas Smith Jets game has been the one where
it's zero throughout the entire game and then they go
to overtime and three catches fifty three yards of the score.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's a crazy world. Can I get one more injury
in while we're at it?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, go ahead, not sure full on and this goes
to the waiver wire, so kind of bleeds into but
Tony Pollard looked less than himself, got the early score,
so I think we're gonna see more of Spears. Very
active in the passing game. Six for eighty seven, did
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find the end zone, and you got a really good
matchup even if Pollard it goes you're going up against Indianapolis. Yeah,
so waiver wire, but also a hey, there's an injury
that might give him a little more than a flex option.
You get him in as a flex or as a
low end daily fantasy guy, but might help bring you
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a title.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And Brian Callahan said on Monday that they'll know Wednesday
or are going to take a couple of days to
decide on who their quarterback is going to be, because
Will Levis got benched after the three I inta performance,
So whoever it is, you're maybe relying more on spears
as well. I mean, if you stick, if you stick
to Levis, you're probably gonna lean more on the running game.
(31:16):
And if Mason Rudolph's in there and you only have
spears anyway, Miles let it roll when you have the
Colts and Jaguars the next two weeks. So uh, Seahawks
Gino Smith dinged up getting good news on it. But
it's it's pretty plain as day. If Sam Howell starts,
you can't start anybody. So there's there's your voice of no.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
That's tough. Even with the running back position, you start
to kind of cringe a little bit, yes, you know
what I mean, Like even even getting in a top
twenty four is a difficult proposition.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I started to wonder, Mike, if they actually didn't fire
Pete Carroll and he's just you know, like directing the
offense behind the scene, and that we just don't know
about it. It's you know, uh, maybe maybe that's the case.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
His name came up a lot this week after the
Belichick hire at New North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I can tell you that, well, not a lot of
people in Seattle are happy with Ryan Grubb as the
offensive coordinator in year one. So we'll see if we'll
see if there's a there's a change or if things
change over the next three weeks. Anyway, all right, let's
get to you mentioned waiver wires. We're gonna get to
that coming up next. Plus we'll do our report card check.
I'll tell you what. Somebody absolutely crushed their quarterback place
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this week. I don't give quarterback plays. Ian didn't chase here,
he didn't give them. So you know who did. We'll
tell you about it next year, and I want your flex.
All right, we're gonna get to the waiver wire and
do our report cards. I'm Dan Byer, He's Mike Harmon.
Shay is in for Ian Roddy. I'm just gonna put
this out there, Mike. I feel that it's good for
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our listener. I made no playoffs. I was chopped in guillotine.
My picks contest that I'm in is basically a waste.
My survivor was washed in week three or four. My
re up in Survivor was washed in week seven. It's
been an utter failure of twenty twenty four for fantasy,
(33:14):
for fantasy, for fun, in any of that. For me
in the NFL this season, it's been.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Pretty well against the spread. Other than that, man week
to week, we have our hits and misses. We'll get
to our report card in a minute. But yeah, I'm
with you. Fantasy leagues finished a game out of the playoff,
and I could point to, you know, one roster move
I didn't make here in a given week or failed performance. Right,
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I was riding with Justin Tucker as my kicker enough
set in close games, just at the Ravens. I lost.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Ah, it's a tough one. Well.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And then in Guillotine, right, big plus matchup Bears. You
know I mentioned Cole Comet before in his one catch
for fourteen yards the week I got eliminated, he didn't
appear in the box and Caleb Williams was in the
last throws of the Shane Waldron runs. So I exited Guillotine.
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And what is this year three of Guillotine.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Dan Year two for the Fox one for the Fox.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
One, but year three overall for me, I've done I
think seven guillotines. This was the first first time I
didn't make a final. I was eliminated what week eight
or week nine? I was like, that's it all right?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Well, hopefully there are better days ahead. Shay. How is
your fantasy postseason looking? Do you do you do you
have teams alive? Or was it just as bad as
what I described or kind of what Mike described?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Well?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
To hear Mike complained about guillotine was a little annoying
because week one exit for me.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I'll tell you what this is. You know, we're gonna
I'll tell you what. We'll dive into that in tomorrow's
we're going to bring up Shay got eliminated week one
and he got screwed by Adam Schefter and Christian McCaffrey
big time. But but he did get the first eliminated
prize out the door, which was twenty bucks. Yeah, and
so it worked out that way.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
We can talk about that.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, but we'll do more Schefter talk. No, just kidding.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I think he said enough, and I think Doug would agree, so.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I think we would all agree. What else did you
have the Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
I was a first round exit, Yeah, which was pretty
upsetting today, didn't even score over one hundred, but I
got out of the Saco Bowl in one of my leagues,
which makes me very happy that Darnal Mooney Donut was
big for me. They started Sam Darnald two that was
massive for me, and they actually they also started Addison
but he did all right. But it worked out for me,
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so I'm happy. I'm not in the Saco Ball. And
then in another league I won, but I didn't make
playoffs and there is a Saco Bowl, so it's a
it was an unfortunate year of fantasy.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Sure, all right, well, hey, I'll tell you what it wasn't.
It wasn't a great week for me in terms of
my points at Palooza. I should have just went with
a chalk Mike. I should have maybe taken the pass
that week. But I went Commanders Saints. That did not happen.
That was just more of like all right, at the
Commanders end up getting some points, Maybe the Saints will
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play catch up. Dart Near almost won the game, and
without George Pickens, the Steelers just really had slim Pickens
on offense, so there was no bust out with the
Eagles survivor pick had the Cardinals, right, I told you
to take a flyer on the Panthers. But again, if
you're in week fifteen of a Survivor league, you're not
taking my advice because you're doing well already. But that
would have been the week that you would have done it,
(36:44):
and obviously it failed because the Cowboys ended up winning
that game. My Oasis tribute was Derrick Henry, and I
was debating on whether it should be Derrick Henry or
Lamar Jackson because I needed somebody against the Giants for
the Oasis album that I mentioned, and I picked the
wrong Raven, So that was a little bit disappointing. Ian's
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streaming defense was the Cardinals. I didn't even look it up.
I should have looked it up before the podcast. I
just realized it. So Mike, I'll give you the four. Yeah,
oh he did he did? All right? Shay? What did he?
How did he do? Well?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I'll be Ian today.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
So he had the Commanders with seven points okay, one interception,
two sacks, seventeen points allowed, and then he had the
Cardinals for five points, one interception, three sacks, and nineteen
points alive.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Oh all right, well, hey, modest plays for Ian.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, Commander's finished mid mid D two and Arizona.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Right bind the handicap was correct. Sometimes they just don't
work out for you. Mike's handicap of quarterbacks was spot on.
In our league, we had three forty point quarterbacks this week.
Mike had all three of them in this top five.
Very well.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Un Yeah, no, we'll take it, you know, Allen and
Lamar and Goff getting it done, getting it done for
us there. In terms of the Ninjas, we had Aaron Rodgers.
He was the number three or four quarterback depending on
scoring system. I think number four.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Thomas in that game was solid for you.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
So yeah, no, gave us give us a little bit
of love there. We look at the running back position.
James Connor, we said keep going with him, and well
he made us, made us look fairly smart. B Jon
Robinson at one hundred and twenty five. That gives him
a top ten performance, nothing world beating. Jamir Gibbs was
number three, finished number three. Josh Jacob's finding the end
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zone he was number six, so that gives us some
love along the way and then going deeper into our
extra pickups along the way. Ric o'downell was number nine
in PPR, So we'll take the victory out of the
hot plays there and then we look at the cold sores, Well,
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Nick Chubb does, Nick Chubb thinks.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Unfor as he got hurt too, broke done for the years.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So that's a tough one. So that means, you know,
we'll get to waiver wires here in a minute and
where you're obviously heading to in that regard. But yeah,
tough end for him. And then we we did have
well Jonathan Taylor was a guy that we kind of
talked about a little bit and well there's a reason
he finished twenty versts this week. How crazy is that?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Oh? I would say crazy, except we seem to see
it every week in the NFL. He really is, Yeah,
twice this past week.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, insane, right, Ryan Thomas, as you mentioned, we take
the victory on that. Terry McLaurin was a top five.
He finished sixth for US. AJ Brown got fed, finished
tied for eighth with DeVante Smith. So that was great.
Jamar Chase did not give us the usual heroics that
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we get, but you know, have my expectations are just gone,
you know.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
So I'll just say this. I'm gonna make one another
point because there's a cold sore that you nailed, Mike.
You have older daughters who are either graduated high school
are getting close to it. So there ever been a
time where maybe they were working on a project and
they were in their room for like two hours and
they basically just didn't get anything done. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
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that's how I felt. The Seahawks were on Sunday night
against the Packers.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I was to watch here.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, like it's just you look, you end up looking
at the box score because you had dk metcalf As
a cold sore ye and what do you know, he
was cold three catches twenty eight yards in the in
the contest, only had three targets. Js N was busy
with his twelve targets and ten receptions. But they didn't
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run the ball that well. They got their score basically
on a turnover, so they were set up with good
field position. Gino Smith gets knocked out with a knee injury.
Sam Holli couldn't do anything. They were picked off twice,
and you're like, what did you do for twenty seven
minutes when you had the football? It's just what an
absolute mess? But you nailed dk metcalf as a cold
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soar because he was cold.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
In Week fifteen, Romadonza. We talked about his two catches
thirty nine yards will take the victory there, Caleb Williams
pedestrian effort along the way, and then Jerry Judy how
about that even at a disaster see Shay, we got
one positive out of Cleveland because Judy finished eleventh. He
was in our hot plays for the week. So it
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take some victory laps, plenty of disasters mixed there in.
But you know, you can't what is the old You
can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. We certainly
did that here.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Well what eggs are we going to break for waiver
wire pickups? Where are we going to find in these
little treasures that could come to the rescue of some
playoff teams if you allow him in your league?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, I think right off the jump, as we talked
about with the broken foot for Nick Chubb, I mean
it means immediately we turn our attention to the fun
and exciting world that is Jerome Ford, who was busy
for us early this season. So we get him back
into the fold for the final couple of weeks. Here,
Jalen McMillan and Tampa Bay shows up on the wide receivers.
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How about Aaron Rodgers after a big effort this last week,
You've got another opportunity here against a pretty good Rams squad.
But you know, we were talking a little bit more
consistency with the big play threats. We mentioned Tajy Spears before,
so he's certainly on the radar for us. Russell Wilson
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is still only owned in half of leagues. Going up
against that Baltimore secondary, got to think you get them
much better effort than you against Philly. That's for damn sure.
I've always been enamored with Drake May. I think just
based on the fact that they'll probably give up a
ton of points means he's going to keep throwing the
football this week and then in depthite acts of desperation
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or in daily fantasy where you don't want to put
any money into your quarterback position. How about we look
at mac Jones going up against Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Interesting play because of the matchup and mac Jones, by
the way, fair.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
And all right again, and he did the rizzler his
face after a big play, so keep bringing it back. Yeah, yeah,
no question about that.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
The Drake May play is interesting only because we don't
know if girod Mayo is going to kill Alex van
Peltz before next week.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
That's true, or they're going to come down from the
booth to kill him.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, because he sure did throw him under the bus
at his postgame presser.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Oh yeah, man, you want to talk about a very
interesting how we joked about it a little bit on Sunday,
Bucky Brooks and I Fox Football Sunday, Shay, you know
when we were having that conversation. Obviously Belichick going to
Bucky's alma mater, but what did he say about Bill
Belichick in New England right about now? Boy, they'd kill
(44:17):
to have old Bill back in that room. Oh yeah,
I would, so you know one of those that's floating
out there as well. Finally, Romeo dubs Dad has two touchdowns,
he's all fired up. Rashad Bateman going up against Pittsburgh,
Pittsburgh showing that secondary vulnerable a little bit. And then
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I think we talked about the tight end position a
bunch early on Stone Smart still going to see a
decent amount. And then Noah Gray owned in a little
less than a quarter of leagues. I think with the
the backup quarterback most likely, And again this is all
speculation as we do this on a Monday night, that
we'll see Carson Wentz. But Noah Gray is had himself
(45:00):
a pretty good citizen.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
It is technically Tuesday morning in a lot of places, say.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
That, yes, yeah, as we well, it's creeping towards Tuesday
morning even where we are as we finish the recording.
But yes, how about Noah Gray as a little bit
of a price shot?
Speaker 3 (45:17):
All right? Well, there are a lot of teams that
I know are anxious to get going in the playoffs
because maybe they had first round byes.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, but there isn't It's not always the greatest of
things to have a first round by It something we're
going to talk about in our next podcast, plus talk
about the state of affairs in the NFL, how this
scheduling is messing with teams and may be messing with
your fantasy league and so much more so for producer
Shay and Mike Harmon, that'll yeah, that's good about doing
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any last words, gentlemen before we go, I guess I'll
leave it to you guys that won't sign off for you? Mike,
you got anything else?
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Sing it away? And the Bears still.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Suck Shae can sing that with you in harmony and
we can move on, so that will wrap it up
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welcome in. Do I want your flex.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
It's a pleasure to be here, guys, Thank you, and
I'm happy to begin. Came to me first.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I think hopefully there you go. Yes, it'll get you
an extra mini bottle of glug. I think we'll get
out of here.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
I'm so excited for Gluck season.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Find him on exit FSR Shae, have you made the
jump to Blue Sky for the move over to Blue Sky?
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I'm good old boring.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
That's okay. I'm totally fine Ian as it made it
either despite us badgering him for eight weeks, not that
we're telling him to do so. We just get our
weekly updates from him. But if you want to find
Shay you can at FSR Shay. Let's get into it, Mike,
I guess we can start with your Chicago Bears. Yeah,
the tough night in Minnesota and the Knights just keep
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on getting longer and colder for a Bears team that's
just looking to find their direction. And if you're looking
for any fantasy hopes, you may not want to look
in Chicago right now.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Yeah, generally, not a little more from Keenan Allen. He
gets up to six for eighty two and a score
on thirteen targets. A couple times you saw him on
the sidelines post possessions, kind of doing the creaky old
man walk. So I don't know what to read in
from that. DJ Moore did give you eight catches for
forty six yards, but you know a failed two point conversion,
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some other misses along the way, but hey, eight for
eight in terms of targeting. Caleb Williams just one hundred
and ninety one yards and a score, including at one
point he did one of those jump passes and got
absolutely drilled. And Tyson Bagent entered the game. At the
end when it was all said done, DeAndre Swift had
(02:31):
a touchdown call back for alignment failing to report. Once again,
the operational efficiency of the Bears top to bottom just
continues to astound me. And astound is normally a positive thing.
I use it to really highlight how catastrophically bad and
(02:52):
poorly this season has gone. Obviously, you know the losing streak.
There's three hundred and eighty five days in a row
without a road win. So they take another one on
the chin. So you know, there's long expository things to
kind of mock the structure. And Thomas Brown, Yeah, let's
elevate a guy who's just getting his foot feet wet
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as an offensive coordinator. Seemed like a brilliant plan. Conversely,
Aaron Jones, how about eighty six yards on the ground,
twenty via the air at a score. Sam Darnold not
world beating, but two thirty one one in one not
getting you to the Promised Land, but not terrible, but
justin Jefferson gets you the seventy three in a score.
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Jalen Johnson played without the sea and at times he
looked like it that they actually stripped the captaincy. They didn't.
It was an air, but it made for some fun
fodder in the post game. Seven catches for Jefferson and
then seven for sixty three from Addison, five for fifty
two for Hawkinson, all playable, right, I mean Hockinson at
ten point two, that's a decent, tight ending game. Addison
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as a number two or number three where it would
have been ranked, given you thirteen point three. Again not
world beating, but you take it and you move on.
Cam Akers even got into the act with a touchdown
run late in this game. I think the highlight for
me though we're the uniforms. Give me the white out
and we'll go from there. After a while, you know,
you start hate watching yes as a fan of a
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squad where you just had glimmers of hope, always thought
the interior and the offensive line play was going to
be the downfall of this squad, and you know sometimes
you hate to.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Be right, Mike. You know, I love your Bears uniforms.
I love the navy that it is, the orange that
it is. In fact, I like it when the Bears
are on the road because the pants shine like the
helmet too. Sure when you are actually wearing the Navies
on the road like they did against Minnesota, there wasn't
as much pop, but still I just think it's such
(04:57):
a great looking uniform. And I know Minnesota is getting
all of the hype with their white out, and then
it was hype throughout the week, and this was a
helmet that they, you know, debuted before the season, but
we had been waiting for them to actually use it.
A couple of things. It's a lot of white, like
you need to you need to mix it up a
(05:19):
little bit. My suggestions either do a purple horn or
a yellow horn, because the white horns right now just
look like two sperms on the side of your helmet.
That's what we've got with Minnesota and in this look.
And the other thing I would say is they had
tried to do this a couple of years ago. They
didn't wipe out the end zones, they just kept them purple. Yeah,
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and I don't know if it's the Purdue factor, you know,
where they're like, okay, we can't We've got to make
sure that we know what's inbounds and what's out of bounds.
But no white end zones this time.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
You know what's funny, dan is I actually referenced that
my daughter had a soccer game on Saturday and seeing
where where kids were positioning waiting on a pass, like
she's out of balance. I don't think she realized it.
Just the color scheme and it wasn't necessarily the same
as Purdue, but it was close enough to you're like,
she can't see where the inline is, she can't tell
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one from the other. So yeah, I agree with you
there and look wherever you can splash some more purple
in But I do agree the Horn had the look
that we were back in biology classes and did some stuff.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah they were. They were swimming all over the Bears
on Monday night. I'll tell you this about the Bears
and we can and.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
In nine months many Minnesota, a.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Lot of Sam's being born. The long term league that
I'm in that that we've talked about on the show.
I know it's a bit archaic, actually new rules are
likely coming for the league next year, but ten teams,
which is tricky enough. We have two running back spots,
two wide receiver spots in one flex, so it's pretty tight.
And this week I was the only person in the
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league to play a Chicago Bear in their starting lineup,
and it was because I forgot to take out Kenneth
Walker because I was out of the play. I was
eliminated two weeks ago, and I had Roma Dunze on
on my bench. The point being is, you know we
have the numbers there, but in what was a must
win week for many in our league, nobody was there
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enough again condensed league, So I gave the parameters of
what it was, but nobody was there. Nobody was winning
a coin flip on the Chicago Bears of do you
play this guy or do you play that guy? The
Vikings defense may have had something to do with it,
but in the end, no one was going with any
other Bears this week.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Yeah, at this point, you're just at a vote of
no confidence. I mean, Cole Kmett had a single target
fifteen yards, a Duneza two catches thirty nine yards. He
had a ball thrown at about ninety nine miles an
hour up at his chest in the end zone, and
he whiffed on it. And it was another in a
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great long line of Caleb Williams miss throws. You know,
we talked about it Monday night on the show as
we're watching it, Jason Smith and I for the Network,
And you know, Caleb Williams was more accurate when he
was moving when he was on the run bullet to
Keenan Allen on the drive that ended up with a
field goal after the penalty on the swift touchdown, he
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had a ball towards Allen on theft left towards the
end zone and he just completely overshot him wide open,
safety had and rotated, plenty of space, just lay it
up and In did the Well. I'll compare him to
the last Bears quarterback Justin Fields, right. Why there's a
difference between what Russell Wilson does and what Justin Fields
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does in Pittsburgh line drives versus putting some air under
it and letting your guy go get it. Caleb Attitt
several misses and a doonsay was one of those. So
those that did play him, I'm sure that play is
going to stand out as they cursed their fantasy fates
of Week fifteen.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Over to the other game, because that's that's also some
doom and gloom with the actual winning team.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
I'm sorry, did you say boom or doom?
Speaker 3 (09:08):
I said doom and gloom?
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Okay, yeah, because I thought you were bringing the boom.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
No, I was not, although if I would have known
that was coming, I would have I would have tried
to bring the boom. Falcons win fifteen to nine.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Fucked.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah, Kirk Cousins Yauza, you were playing Falcons in this
game here, I you know, played Drake London in another.
Bijon's obviously playing you know, Darnell Mooney. Maybe gets some
love for you, but man, it's it's a rough one.
And outside of Bijon moving forward, and we're talking about
playoff semi finals now in championship games the other week,
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you know, the next couple of weeks. I know the
matchups are good, but man, it's tough to trust any
of these Falcons outside of Bijon.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Yeah, I guess London still probably rates top thirty six
if you're going three deep at wide receiver, but that's
kind of gone away, right. You know, we're talking two
two's two to two and flex and superflex and whatever. Generally,
the three wide receiver set has gone the way of
the Dodo bird in many fantasy leagues. But Kirk Cousins
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was awful. Man eleven of seventeen one hundred and twelve yards,
thirty of that go on the touchdown pass to London
where he's wide open. Otherwise indecisive. Whatever was going on
with the exchanges, with the center struggles. There no Max
Crosby to worry about. Yet happy feet doesn't move well
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latterly and just over the course of the game, you're
sitting there going, all right, you're gonna pull the pull him, right,
You're gonna pull him. This is the Raiders with the
with the playoff potential still in the balance, and good
for b John Robinson is twenty two for one hundred
and twenty five al year twelve for forty three. At
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least ran the ball effectively, but he was he was awful.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I hate to see guys, you know, crumble seemingly overnight.
But you know the expiration dates up on Captain Kirk.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, it's it is over with and this is this
could be an age thing. This can be the Achilles thing,
whatever the case may be. But it's over. It doesn't
make it correct that they made the right move in
the offseason, just they have a safety net in that
they have Michael Panick. Still, you should have done one
or the other in my mind, but I think they're
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gonna think that they look like geniuses. I just it's
it's unfortunate and you have to you have to play
Panis now. And I don't know if you're in a
Fantasy semi final or a final, if you want to
to your point about London and the point about you know,
if you're gonna play Mooney or anybody else, you just can't.
You can't risk it because you just don't know who
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is what and where you're roster sets up. At that point,
you're probably in a point where you were maybe in
a coin flip situation, So you're just gonna end up
going with the other guy. Even with the Giants and
Commanders on your schedule for the next two weeks.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
How does Mooney have one one target against the Raiders. Yeah,
Like I just I was baffled. Look, Kyle Pitts, we
kept seeing all the quotes leading into this game, and
you know, all these anonymous GMS and everything of you know,
the waste that he's been and he's flashed a couple
of times, so I don't just miss it categorically, but
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the consistency certainly not therefore catches twenty eight yards against
the Raiders. But Michael Pennix, you drafted him there for
a reason, and I get it. You'd already signed Kirk Cousins.
You feel compelled. Look, that's sunk costs, right, we get
back into our basic economics one oh one of sunk
costs you got to recognize, like investments in relationships or
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whatever else. At some point, if it's not getting you
the return, you gotta just say it's money we spent.
We'll figure out the rest of the contract. Maybe we
can offload them because someone else is desperate in the offseason.
But ultimately, you drafted Michael Pennix, and at this point
in the season, if he's not ready to go, unless
physically there's something else going on, then it would tell
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me that you made another bad decision there as well.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Yeah, and it's there for them for the division. They
are a game back of the Buccaneers. They have the
tiebreaker because they swept them this season. How I have
no idea.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Well no, but that's just it, right, that's the insanity
of it.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I'll tell well, actually I do remember the Buccaneers ended
up getting screwed with some calls late in that Yeah,
that game in Atlanta. I will say this about the Falcons,
Zach Robinson at the in the preseason and at the
beginning of the year, they were talking up Tyler l
jeer As. You were going like this guy was going
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to be a part of the offense. And we've actually
mocked those comments here on the podcast. It has happened
a little bit as of late. But what they did
on Monday night, that's what I actually thought Zach Robinson
was talking about at the beginning of the season, Mike
like this, you know, twenty two and twelve if you
wanted to, and maybe it's maybe it's eighteen and.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Sixteen, that's right, whatever that split is.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, But that's the only thing that actually
maybe made sense for Atlanta. But it took him fifteen
weeks to do so, and it also took them kirk
Cousins falling off of a cliff to actually be able
to do it.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Last two weeks. Algier twenty one, carries a total of
one hundred and six yards touchdown in that lost to Minnesota,
So hang a star on it because they got their
asses kicked. But that was only the fourth time this
year that Algier eclipsed and crept into a double digit
carry proposition, which doesn't make sense the way you're constructed.
(14:52):
And I don't believe Cousins is anywhere near one hundred
percent healthy either. Right, It's like watching Aaron Rodgers with
the Jets all year. It's like, all right, there's a
lot of other things going on once you get between
the white lines, though, we don't care. Yeah, right, you
can only excuse it so much because now you're watching it,
limit your upside of what is a team that is
(15:12):
on the surface pretty good whether you love pits or not,
don't care. Darnell Mooney is a pretty good receiver and
he showed that throughout the year. Drake London is a
good receiver. B Jhon Robinson. We can argue him where.
You know, let's do a top ten list of running backs.
He might be in the upper half of that, right,
he might be number five based on what he can
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do individually. You've got individual talent. Why are you letting
you go to waste with a guy who clearly is
not not one hundred percent and not capable of getting
you past the twenty point per game threshold. He score
twenty one in that loss to the Vikings. Otherwise, you're
in the teams every week. Dan, It's terrible. It's bad football.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I just I'm more curious, not even what's happens these
next three weeks, but what does happen in the offseason
and the change has to be made. It's then what
do you do if you're in Atlanta? Is their team
out there willing to take on from what you've seen
from Kirk Cousins, Heck no, you knows. There's no way
you would be able to do anything.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
But agree to a buyout. See how many pennies on
the dollars he's willing to take, or what you can
do contract wise to stretch things and screw around with that.
We'd be remiss if we didn't at least acknowledge the
minimal effort in the passing game and the running game
for that matter, for the Raiders. In this one. You
get the touchdown from Abdullah, Great, he wasn't on anybody.
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Seven catches, fifty eight yards for him, Madison twenty one yards.
You're leading rushers, Ritter, I don't did he ever take
a snap from under center? I don't think so, right.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
I feel sorry for the brock Bauers owners.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
No, that was awful. Right now, just thirty five yards,
six targets.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Now it's playoff time, and yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
We were wishing and wanting and hoping, just based on
what he'd done the last couple of weeks for some
love from sincere McCormick. They even talked about him a
little in the pre diame and all seven carries eight
yards insincere.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
If you ask me nicely doing yes, he's Mike Carmen,
I'm Dan Byer. He was injured, so our best to him.
But the joke worked for that point. Hit him up
at Swollen Dome. You can find me at dan Byer
on Fox Chase hanging out as well. That's your Monday
night recap. Thank goodness, who don't have to talk about
Falcons raiders anymore? And I'm sorry, Mike, Thank goodness you
don't have to talk about Bears vikings, but we do
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have to talk about some big injuries that happened in
the NFL and the Domino's effect, the domino effect that
they could have over the next couple of weeks. We'll
talk about it next right here. And I want your flex,
all right, as we always do, you have to start
with the quarterbacks. Welcome back, it is I want your flex.
He's Mike Carmen, I'm Dan bayer Shay hanging out for
Ian this week. Patrick Mahomes week to week with a
(17:57):
mild high ankle spraining. Let's start out with the Chiefs
signal caller and what that may mean for Kansas City
and other Chiefs as well heading into a Week sixteen
matchup against the Houston Texans.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It means that the Texans are a two and a
half point favorite at Arrowheads.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
They know something that we don't. Third.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, I would assume that since they do have the
Christmas game, that he doesn't play, and that you do
see your backup scenario here.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
This is yeah, this is the This is such the
tricky part. And this is why this is first of all,
so why the Bills lost to the Rams hurt so
much because you never know what's going to happen, and
home field's on the line, and now the Chiefs have
the cushion, and they do have a bit of the
luxury if you will, to rest him. But I'm sure
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they would love to rest him for two full weeks,
not just nine extra days. But the NFL schedule says differently.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, it's the unfortunate part of the scheduling, and everybody's
like in their hands. Look, the Bears are going to
play three three games in eleven days, don't hear me.
Just get it done already. Just put a channel. Patrick Manneley,
who's on the score in Chicago after the Bears game
just finished the season, Lady, I'm not or callers to
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the station. I'm not even mad anymore. I'm just tired.
But either way, it'll be Carson Wentz. One thing we
do know is he likes to wing it around. So
in terms of you know, any of the Chiefs players
you were thinking of playing, I don't know that you're
necessarily downgrading anybody, you know what I mean. It's like,
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and I don't think Houston's any great shakes either, Like
we've talked about that, you know, add nauseum throughout the
course of the season, mixing's banged up a little bit,
and then offensive line whatever but for Carson Wentz in company,
I think Noah Gray is a guy that's really interesting.
Travis Kelcey still in eighty four catches going to see
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he's banged up too, which means you probably see a
little more of Noah Grace so at the tight end position.
If your league still has a standalone tight end position,
perhaps I'm looking that way, but otherwise I don't know
that you're really adjusting the Chiefs up or down your
board based on Mahomes not being there.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
The end of an era in Kansas City. By the way,
on Monday, Clyde Edwards E Laire, always a topic of
conversation on this shows, announced that he was released by
the team. And I know he's gone through some stuff personally,
so nothing but the best for him. But at least
just wanted to pass that note along. But you're right, Mike,
the fact is is it's Travis Kelcey. I don't know
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how many people are running and putting DeAndre Hopkins into
their lineup. I don't know. I mean, patcheck go back
healthy helps them, but even Mahomes, unless you're in you know,
a super flex league, and you're in a league playing
two quarterbacks that you're really really hurt because I would
think that they're probably a better options throughout the league
that you're going to be starting in your league, and
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now it's playoff time, so you definitely probably wouldn't be
starting him. And now in a game where the over
under you mentioned the line is thirty nine and a half,
all of the other parties outside of Mahomes, Yeah, probably
take a hit. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
I think you look over the course of the season,
what do you have set maybe seven multi touchdown games
on the year. I think for Mahomes he had those
back to back games against Buffalo and Carolina, but then
one touchdown games against the Raiders and the Chargers back
to two against the Browns before exiting. He completed fifty
(21:38):
percent of his passes in that game for one hundred
and fifty nine yards before he departed, So not exactly
world beating along the way, and I think for fantasy
purposes it was one of those all right, I'm not
going to cut him in case with Hopkins, things tick up,
and overall the offense has most weeks been cleaner, but
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in the end, and it's still about Spagnolo's defense. The
Butker injury is kind of big again right when his
leg buckles, because I think you're expecting some return from
him this past week and clearly that didn't happen, So
you know, there's another area of concern for them. But
why not go pick up the guy that was the
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Special Teams player of the week again?
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Sure? Absolutely? What about the David Montgomery injury? You move
off Chiefs. That's just a tough one for the Lions overall,
who are just consistently dealing with the injuries week in
and week out. Montgomery in that running game, goal line stuff.
I mean, it's got to be a boost to Jamior Gibbs.
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But what happens in Detroit now without Montgomery for the
rest of you.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
No, that's the hard part, right is you looked at
a guy that you know, we call him, for lack
of a better term, a tone setter, right, and what
he's been each and every week, and the wed laugh
at it with the sonic and knuckles. But it's true.
I mean, not that Gibbs can't run, you know, the
tough runs, but that's not what you pay him to do, right.
(23:09):
That's kind of like a bonus when he does that
a little bit because he needs to. But that's Montgomery's job,
not that he doesn't have some burst of his own.
But now we're looking at Reynolds, right, and then we
start going down to the depth chart. I mean, I
don't know how much more you can put on Gibbs.
And now he had a shorter workload this week based
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on the way the game played out. Five catches eighty
three yards in the score, but only eight carries also
another score. But a thirteen touch game is not what
the doctor orders. These last couple of weeks, you know,
you're gonna need him to pick up the pays, probably
pick up seven to ten more touches. You do have
the Bears, and I don't expect Look, I expected the
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Bears to give them a run on Thanksgiving and they
did and then we all know what happened from there.
This team is dead Chicago, So I don't know that
you necessarily need that same Jews San Francisco's you know what,
are the one to two percent in terms of playoff
viability entering Week sixteen, and then you have the season
finale against Minnesota, which may be a massive deal at
(24:17):
this point, but for fantasy purposes, yeah, it's going to
be more Gibbs and then we'll look to see I
guess Reynolds's next man up.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah. I also think Mike in a way, if you
can boost Jared Goff after his performance that he had
against the Bills, they're going to need him more and
your defense for all the hits that they're taking as well.
Now you're going to be in games where you're going
to have to score points, and it's a different sort
of game. It's not let's be physical, yep, get out,
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you know, on a lead, and we can run them
over and then throw these daggers here and there. It
may be pinball football for the for the rest of
their way. For the Lions, if they they want to
win out for the rest of the regular season and
in the postseason, I think that Golf and Saint Brown,
Sam Laport, who has been an enormous disappointment fantasy wise
(25:10):
this season, those guys are gonna have to take bigger roles.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think you look at it, and for certainly the
last couple of weeks of those division games, heavyweight bouts,
and then this game with Buffalo, look for Jared Goff.
It's look, he's up to thirty touchdown passes. On the
year thirty and ten. As we look at him here
the touchdown to interception ratio. But Saint Brown's now up
(25:34):
to double digit touchdowns. Laporta at sixty one five point
fifty six and five on the season, lofty expectations.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, he had a two touchdown game and it was
a game where I think he had six yards or
something like it was. It was recent the.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Old Jerome Bettis like stat line, remember that one five carries,
three touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Yes, but Laporta has been Yeah, it's been a tough
it has and you're gonna need him to have more
of a role. And I don't know if it's because
of you know, you're trying to get Jamison Williams, if
it's the emergence of Tim Patrick, but for whatever reason,
Laporta just hadn't been It was against your Bears. Three catches,
six yards, two touchdowns, that's what it was. But yeah,
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he's just taken a I don't want to say a
back seat. He just hasn't had the effect that he's
had this season. And when the Lions are rolling like
they were, it's not that big of a deal. But
now just with their second loss of the season and
how these last three weeks have gone. You can put
a lot of those warts, become a little bit bigger,
become a little bit more in focus, and you're going
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to need those guys. I'd still ride with them, I
honestly would, because at some point it's kind of like
a Jason Witten thing, Mike. You know, if you've been
playing Witting that whole season, and you know at some
point he's going to get into the end zone because
he's going to score three of them a year. To
your point, if Laporta's got five, he's probably gotten at
least one more in him, so you musill rode him
the rest of the way.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, that was my guy always. Uh that was I
always called Jason Witten allergic to the painted grass. Here's
my eighty five catches, and you hope he would fall
in at some point. Right now, as we look at
the fantasy scheduled to date, Laporta just outside of the
tight end one position. He's at thirteenth, less than two
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points behind Friarmouth, and let's say he's only eleven points
from being tight end six.
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, it's a mess.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, so you'll get it, even the inefficiencies, I mean,
to put things in perspective, you know, not to make
it about the Bears, but because I love to mock them.
Cole Comet, who's very pointed about his criticisms of the
eber Flus era and what the offense was under Waldron,
he has for the year, he is tight end fifteen.
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He had a game where he had one point four,
he had two zero's, a three point three, a five
point six, and a two point four, and he's still
tight end fifteen.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Ouch.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Yeah, a twenty five point seven game back in Week three,
but just showing you where the inconsistency chaos of the
position is hell. Taysom Hills tight end eighteen. He played
in what eight games now, he had that forty two
point game that puts you over, but also a sixteen,
a fourteen to four, and a nine point seven. But
really just kind of showing the erratic nature of that
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position and why I have seen more and more leagues
starting to, you know, make it a hybrid.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Well, I mean, if you you know, we talked about
brock Bauers just in the last last segment and how
that's a bit of a dip. But I guess, I
guess if you have John Us Smith. If you have
Trey McBride, if you have George Kittle, you're probably feeling
pretty good about yourself heading into the stretch run because
those guys have their quarterbacks right now, and those quarterbacks
have been looking for those guys. And yeah, there's just
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you know, I mean, Friarworth got into the end zone,
you know, and if George Pickens isn't fully healthy, they're
gonna have to throw it to somebody. So maybe there's
some spots there, but you are seeing some other guys
kind of take some hits, as we mentioned with Bowers,
and and if it is Carson Wentz at the you know,
you still roll with Kelsey. But in this case, if
you have Laporta in a coin flip, I think you
(29:24):
go with him just because I just think the Lions
are going to continue to need to score thirty and
forty points a game to win games.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Last one. McBride second tight end, right, he's little more
than a little less than a point. I had a
George Kittle one hundred and ninety five points on the year.
You know what's dat, I'm gonna bring up the goose
eg zero touchdowns. He's the number two tight end.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Crazy.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
That's insane.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
I'll tell you what, Tyree kill owners can't stand john
Us Smith either, so there's there that aspect of it.
The Jonas Smith Jets game has been the one where
it's zero throughout the entire game and then they go
to overtime and three catches fifty three yards of the score.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
It's a crazy world. Can I get one more injury
in while we're at it?
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, go ahead, not sure full on and this goes
to the waiver wire, so kind of bleeds into but
Tony Pollard looked less than himself, got the early score,
so I think we're gonna see more of Spears. Very
active in the passing game. Six for eighty seven, did
(30:34):
find the end zone, and you got a really good
matchup even if Pollard it goes you're going up against Indianapolis. Yeah,
so waiver wire, but also a hey, there's an injury
that might give him a little more than a flex option.
You get him in as a flex or as a
low end daily fantasy guy, but might help bring you
(30:54):
a title.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
And Brian Callahan said on Monday that they'll know Wednesday
or are going to take a couple of days to
decide on who their quarterback is going to be, because
Will Levis got benched after the three I inta performance,
So whoever it is, you're maybe relying more on spears
as well. I mean, if you stick, if you stick
to Levis, you're probably gonna lean more on the running game.
(31:16):
And if Mason Rudolph's in there and you only have
spears anyway, Miles let it roll when you have the
Colts and Jaguars the next two weeks. So uh, Seahawks
Gino Smith dinged up getting good news on it. But
it's it's pretty plain as day. If Sam Howell starts,
you can't start anybody. So there's there's your voice of no.
Speaker 2 (31:38):
That's tough. Even with the running back position, you start
to kind of cringe a little bit, yes, you know
what I mean, Like even even getting in a top
twenty four is a difficult proposition.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
I started to wonder, Mike, if they actually didn't fire
Pete Carroll and he's just you know, like directing the
offense behind the scene, and that we just don't know
about it. It's you know, uh, maybe maybe that's the case.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
His name came up a lot this week after the
Belichick hire at New North Carolina.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
I can tell you that, well, not a lot of
people in Seattle are happy with Ryan Grubb as the
offensive coordinator in year one. So we'll see if we'll
see if there's a there's a change or if things
change over the next three weeks. Anyway, all right, let's
get to you mentioned waiver wires. We're gonna get to
that coming up next. Plus we'll do our report card check.
I'll tell you what. Somebody absolutely crushed their quarterback place
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this week. I don't give quarterback plays. Ian didn't chase here,
he didn't give them. So you know who did. We'll
tell you about it next year, and I want your flex.
All right, we're gonna get to the waiver wire and
do our report cards. I'm Dan Byer, He's Mike Harmon.
Shay is in for Ian Roddy. I'm just gonna put
this out there, Mike. I feel that it's good for
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our listener. I made no playoffs. I was chopped in guillotine.
My picks contest that I'm in is basically a waste.
My survivor was washed in week three or four. My
re up in Survivor was washed in week seven. It's
been an utter failure of twenty twenty four for fantasy,
(33:14):
for fantasy, for fun, in any of that. For me
in the NFL this season, it's been.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Pretty well against the spread. Other than that, man week
to week, we have our hits and misses. We'll get
to our report card in a minute. But yeah, I'm
with you. Fantasy leagues finished a game out of the playoff,
and I could point to, you know, one roster move
I didn't make here in a given week or failed performance. Right,
(33:39):
I was riding with Justin Tucker as my kicker enough
set in close games, just at the Ravens. I lost.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
Ah, it's a tough one. Well.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
And then in Guillotine, right, big plus matchup Bears. You
know I mentioned Cole Comet before in his one catch
for fourteen yards the week I got eliminated, he didn't
appear in the box and Caleb Williams was in the
last throws of the Shane Waldron runs. So I exited Guillotine.
(34:13):
And what is this year three of Guillotine.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Dan Year two for the Fox one for the Fox.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
One, but year three overall for me, I've done I
think seven guillotines. This was the first first time I
didn't make a final. I was eliminated what week eight
or week nine? I was like, that's it all right?
Speaker 3 (34:34):
Well, hopefully there are better days ahead. Shay. How is
your fantasy postseason looking? Do you do you do you
have teams alive? Or was it just as bad as
what I described or kind of what Mike described?
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Well?
Speaker 4 (34:47):
To hear Mike complained about guillotine was a little annoying
because week one exit for me.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
I'll tell you what this is. You know, we're gonna
I'll tell you what. We'll dive into that in tomorrow's
we're going to bring up Shay got eliminated week one
and he got screwed by Adam Schefter and Christian McCaffrey
big time. But but he did get the first eliminated
prize out the door, which was twenty bucks. Yeah, and
so it worked out that way.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
We can talk about that.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
Yeah, but we'll do more Schefter talk. No, just kidding.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
I think he said enough, and I think Doug would agree, so.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
I think we would all agree. What else did you
have the Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:29):
I was a first round exit, Yeah, which was pretty
upsetting today, didn't even score over one hundred, but I
got out of the Saco Bowl in one of my leagues,
which makes me very happy that Darnal Mooney Donut was
big for me. They started Sam Darnald two that was
massive for me, and they actually they also started Addison
but he did all right. But it worked out for me,
(35:52):
so I'm happy. I'm not in the Saco Ball. And
then in another league I won, but I didn't make
playoffs and there is a Saco Bowl, so it's a
it was an unfortunate year of fantasy.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
Sure, all right, well, hey, I'll tell you what it wasn't.
It wasn't a great week for me in terms of
my points at Palooza. I should have just went with
a chalk Mike. I should have maybe taken the pass
that week. But I went Commanders Saints. That did not happen.
That was just more of like all right, at the
Commanders end up getting some points, Maybe the Saints will
(36:22):
play catch up. Dart Near almost won the game, and
without George Pickens, the Steelers just really had slim Pickens
on offense, so there was no bust out with the
Eagles survivor pick had the Cardinals, right, I told you
to take a flyer on the Panthers. But again, if
you're in week fifteen of a Survivor league, you're not
taking my advice because you're doing well already. But that
would have been the week that you would have done it,
(36:44):
and obviously it failed because the Cowboys ended up winning
that game. My Oasis tribute was Derrick Henry, and I
was debating on whether it should be Derrick Henry or
Lamar Jackson because I needed somebody against the Giants for
the Oasis album that I mentioned, and I picked the
wrong Raven, So that was a little bit disappointing. Ian's
(37:04):
streaming defense was the Cardinals. I didn't even look it up.
I should have looked it up before the podcast. I
just realized it. So Mike, I'll give you the four. Yeah,
oh he did he did? All right? Shay? What did he?
How did he do? Well?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
I'll be Ian today.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
So he had the Commanders with seven points okay, one interception,
two sacks, seventeen points allowed, and then he had the
Cardinals for five points, one interception, three sacks, and nineteen
points alive.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
Oh all right, well, hey, modest plays for Ian.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yeah, Commander's finished mid mid D two and Arizona.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Right bind the handicap was correct. Sometimes they just don't
work out for you. Mike's handicap of quarterbacks was spot on.
In our league, we had three forty point quarterbacks this week.
Mike had all three of them in this top five.
Very well.
Speaker 2 (37:57):
Un Yeah, no, we'll take it, you know, Allen and
Lamar and Goff getting it done, getting it done for
us there. In terms of the Ninjas, we had Aaron Rodgers.
He was the number three or four quarterback depending on
scoring system. I think number four.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Thomas in that game was solid for you.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
So yeah, no, gave us give us a little bit
of love there. We look at the running back position.
James Connor, we said keep going with him, and well
he made us, made us look fairly smart. B Jon
Robinson at one hundred and twenty five. That gives him
a top ten performance, nothing world beating. Jamir Gibbs was
number three, finished number three. Josh Jacob's finding the end
(38:43):
zone he was number six, so that gives us some
love along the way and then going deeper into our
extra pickups along the way. Ric o'downell was number nine
in PPR, So we'll take the victory out of the
hot plays there and then we look at the cold sores, Well,
(39:04):
Nick Chubb does, Nick Chubb thinks.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
Unfor as he got hurt too, broke done for the years.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
So that's a tough one. So that means, you know,
we'll get to waiver wires here in a minute and
where you're obviously heading to in that regard. But yeah,
tough end for him. And then we we did have
well Jonathan Taylor was a guy that we kind of
talked about a little bit and well there's a reason
he finished twenty versts this week. How crazy is that?
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Oh? I would say crazy, except we seem to see
it every week in the NFL. He really is, Yeah,
twice this past week.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
Yeah, insane, right, Ryan Thomas, as you mentioned, we take
the victory on that. Terry McLaurin was a top five.
He finished sixth for US. AJ Brown got fed, finished
tied for eighth with DeVante Smith. So that was great.
Jamar Chase did not give us the usual heroics that
(40:03):
we get, but you know, have my expectations are just gone,
you know.
Speaker 3 (40:11):
So I'll just say this. I'm gonna make one another
point because there's a cold sore that you nailed, Mike.
You have older daughters who are either graduated high school
are getting close to it. So there ever been a
time where maybe they were working on a project and
they were in their room for like two hours and
they basically just didn't get anything done. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
(40:32):
that's how I felt. The Seahawks were on Sunday night
against the Packers.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
I was to watch here.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Yeah, like it's just you look, you end up looking
at the box score because you had dk metcalf As
a cold sore ye and what do you know, he
was cold three catches twenty eight yards in the in
the contest, only had three targets. Js N was busy
with his twelve targets and ten receptions. But they didn't
(40:59):
run the ball that well. They got their score basically
on a turnover, so they were set up with good
field position. Gino Smith gets knocked out with a knee injury.
Sam Holli couldn't do anything. They were picked off twice,
and you're like, what did you do for twenty seven
minutes when you had the football? It's just what an
absolute mess? But you nailed dk metcalf as a cold
(41:22):
soar because he was cold.
Speaker 2 (41:24):
In Week fifteen, Romadonza. We talked about his two catches
thirty nine yards will take the victory there, Caleb Williams
pedestrian effort along the way, and then Jerry Judy how
about that even at a disaster see Shay, we got
one positive out of Cleveland because Judy finished eleventh. He
was in our hot plays for the week. So it
(41:45):
take some victory laps, plenty of disasters mixed there in.
But you know, you can't what is the old You
can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. We certainly
did that here.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Well what eggs are we going to break for waiver
wire pickups? Where are we going to find in these
little treasures that could come to the rescue of some
playoff teams if you allow him in your league?
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, I think right off the jump, as we talked
about with the broken foot for Nick Chubb, I mean
it means immediately we turn our attention to the fun
and exciting world that is Jerome Ford, who was busy
for us early this season. So we get him back
into the fold for the final couple of weeks. Here,
Jalen McMillan and Tampa Bay shows up on the wide receivers.
(42:32):
How about Aaron Rodgers after a big effort this last week,
You've got another opportunity here against a pretty good Rams squad.
But you know, we were talking a little bit more
consistency with the big play threats. We mentioned Tajy Spears before,
so he's certainly on the radar for us. Russell Wilson
(42:54):
is still only owned in half of leagues. Going up
against that Baltimore secondary, got to think you get them
much better effort than you against Philly. That's for damn sure.
I've always been enamored with Drake May. I think just
based on the fact that they'll probably give up a
ton of points means he's going to keep throwing the
football this week and then in depthite acts of desperation
(43:17):
or in daily fantasy where you don't want to put
any money into your quarterback position. How about we look
at mac Jones going up against Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
Interesting play because of the matchup and mac Jones, by
the way, fair.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
And all right again, and he did the rizzler his
face after a big play, so keep bringing it back. Yeah, yeah,
no question about that.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
The Drake May play is interesting only because we don't
know if girod Mayo is going to kill Alex van
Peltz before next week.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
That's true, or they're going to come down from the
booth to kill him.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Yeah, because he sure did throw him under the bus
at his postgame presser.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Oh yeah, man, you want to talk about a very
interesting how we joked about it a little bit on Sunday,
Bucky Brooks and I Fox Football Sunday, Shay, you know
when we were having that conversation. Obviously Belichick going to
Bucky's alma mater, but what did he say about Bill
Belichick in New England right about now? Boy, they'd kill
(44:17):
to have old Bill back in that room. Oh yeah,
I would, so you know one of those that's floating
out there as well. Finally, Romeo dubs Dad has two touchdowns,
he's all fired up. Rashad Bateman going up against Pittsburgh,
Pittsburgh showing that secondary vulnerable a little bit. And then
(44:38):
I think we talked about the tight end position a
bunch early on Stone Smart still going to see a
decent amount. And then Noah Gray owned in a little
less than a quarter of leagues. I think with the
the backup quarterback most likely, And again this is all
speculation as we do this on a Monday night, that
we'll see Carson Wentz. But Noah Gray is had himself
(45:00):
a pretty good citizen.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
It is technically Tuesday morning in a lot of places, say.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
That, yes, yeah, as we well, it's creeping towards Tuesday
morning even where we are as we finish the recording.
But yes, how about Noah Gray as a little bit
of a price shot?
Speaker 3 (45:17):
All right? Well, there are a lot of teams that
I know are anxious to get going in the playoffs
because maybe they had first round byes.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Yeah, but there isn't It's not always the greatest of
things to have a first round by It something we're
going to talk about in our next podcast, plus talk
about the state of affairs in the NFL, how this
scheduling is messing with teams and may be messing with
your fantasy league and so much more so for producer
Shay and Mike Harmon, that'll yeah, that's good about doing
(45:47):
any last words, gentlemen before we go, I guess I'll
leave it to you guys that won't sign off for you? Mike,
you got anything else?
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Sing it away? And the Bears still.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Suck Shae can sing that with you in harmony and
we can move on, so that will wrap it up
for all of us here on. I want your flex.
We appreciate you always listening, even if you're out of
your fantasy season. We love that you're still sticking around
with us. We'll talk to you next time, right here,
and I want your flex
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Mike Harmon
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