Ep 55: NASCAR Canada Series Winner Gary Klutt

Gary Klutt, a winner in the NASCAR Canada Series, podcast host, real estate developer, and wellness enthusiast joins me on this week’s episode of If I’m Honest with Julia Landauer. Having originally met in the 2016 NASCAR Next class, we discuss all things racing, career dreams, healthy living, family, and racers who crashed us out at Mosport. Gary shares how his racing career started in a parking lot in a go-kart, the scrappy ways he raised money to go racing, and how he navigated his racing goals with his bigger life goals. We continue on a discussion about how the international NASCAR series are the end goal for many, the importance of sports for kids’ development, and how being a lifelong enthusiast is a more sustainable way to pursue passions. We end our conversation by nerding out on our health and wellness practices, one of which involves taping his mouth shut.

 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hello, everybody, and welcome back to another episode of If
I'm Honest with Julia Landauer. I am very pleased to
bring you a fun and honest and in depth conversation
with someone that I have known for quite a few
years now, and that is fellow race car driver Gary Klute. So,
Gary Clute is a driver in the NASCAR Canada Series.
He is from Canada and lives there, and he's a

(00:26):
real estate developer, a property manager, mortgage fund manager, and
is involved in the legendary Motorcar Company's YouTube channel. And
we got to meet back in twenty sixteen in the
NASCAR Next Series, which we'll get into. But I've always
really appreciated his one skill as a race car driver,
and his demeanor and his maturity. And it's always very
cool to connect with people in the racing community that

(00:48):
you vibe with. And for some career highlights, he was
the NASCAR Canada Series where Give of the Year. He's
a four time pole winner, He's gotten wins, a lot
of podiums, many top fives. He's the SVR Vintage National
winner at CODA. He's done three NASCAR Truck Series starts.
He's done one NASCAR Cup series start and he is
a Canadian national karting champion. This conversation is really fun.

(01:10):
We get into some nerdy, nitty gritty things around motorsports,
which I think are really interesting in terms of mentality, preparations,
specific race tracks, driving different vehicles. We then also talk
about the importance of balance and for him how he
viewed racing and how it fit in with the rest
of the things that he's doing in his life, which
I think was really admirable in a different way to

(01:32):
approach racing from how I did. And then we end
kind of talking about a lot of wellness and a
lot of things that he has experimented with to help
his well being mentally and physically to be the best
that he can be for himself, but then also for
his family and his loved ones, how it plays in
with racing, and he shares some specific things that he

(01:53):
does does to really be his best self. So I
am really happy to have this conversation and I I
hope you enjoy Gary. Thank you so much for joining
me on. If I'm honest with Julia.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Landauer, oh my pleasure. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
For those of you who don't know, I was on
Gary's podcast last year, I believe, so I will link
that episode in the description as well. But Gary and
I met in twenty sixteen in the NASCAR Next program.
And before we get into that, Gary, can you just
give a snapshot of how you got into racing.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, I think I was probably six years old.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
My dad came home with the no, no, that's we
went to go watch the Barry Grand Prix into in
maybe ninety seven or ninety eight, and you know, I
vaguely remember it, and he said, you know, is this
something that looks cool? And of course, you know, as
like a five or six year old boy, it looked
pretty cool. So he brought home a go kart, and

(02:53):
then for maybe one summer before I started racing, we'd
go at like five am to go train station parking
lot in my hometown and he'd set up like water
bottles and cones and I just drive around and sure, yeah,
I started started racing. So that was that was the

(03:13):
introduction to gokart racing. I think I did three snowmobile
races before that as a pretty little kid, and then
kind of realized that type of racing is pretty gnarly.
Same same with BMX racing. I did before that too,
and I think my parents pulled the plug when you know,
we were all witnessed to some guy breaking a collar bone, screaming,

(03:36):
you know, dislocated shoulder, and they're like, ah, this looks dangerous.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
So well, wheels are definitely safer than two or none
in the case of snowmobile.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, yeah, no, absolutely so yeah, seven years old kind
of the when everyone our age started racing.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
That was as young as you could be.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
Mm hmm. And where are you from in Canada? Again?

Speaker 3 (03:56):
So call it half an hour, half an hour, forty
minutes west of Toronto, Georgetown, Ontario. Small little town that
but as as big city sprawl, we get closer and
closer to the city every year.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Right, right, So what would what were your local go
kart tracks? Because I did some racing up in Canada
and I was on the Barral team with ENZOCHVD and
that whole group, So did some driving up there.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
So I started at Waterloo cart Club, which we was
in Kitchener, and then went to most Port and so yeah,
and then running roun Fellows. We'd you know, run most Port, Goodwood, Berry, Innisville, Sutton, Hamilton, Nice.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
I think I've only been to one or two of those,
but most port I always remember being a really fun
go kart.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
Track, killer track, killer track, like it was spectacular as
far as go kart racing goes, and you could run
the long DDT track, and I remember being whatever, ten
years old watching people go in eighties and one shifter.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
Cart since right it's.

Speaker 3 (05:03):
A huge straightaway like they were doing I don't know,
one hundred and twenty five miles an hour.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
It's absolutely wild. And when I tell people that you
can get that fast in a go cart, I think
it's so incomprehensible to so many people, because especially if
you think about like rental go carts that you can
do indoors or something like our go carts are super
high performance. And I think the only time that I
had gotten really really fast I ran the junior Ica
go kart at Jacksonville, Florida. Like Jacksonville, I don't know

(05:30):
if you've ever been, there has also a very long
straightaway that leads into like a banked hairpin, and it
is it's so bone chillingly vast, and then I think
it would be harder though, if you have to like
come to a very slow corner after that and you
feel that deceleration At Jacksonville, you kind of kept up
a decent amount of speed going to the first corner.
But go karts were the most fun form of racing

(05:52):
for me. I think I think that yeah, happened so fast.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
I kind of agree, and certainly the best competition as
far as racing. You know, you can kind of pass
on demand. No one was going to drive away just
because the draft was such a big factor that so
much race craft was learned by the time you're twelve
years old.

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, And something I just thought about was like people
kind of will ask do you like oval racing or
road course racing better? And I would say, like, technically
driving a track, I think road course racing is more
interesting side by side racing. I think oval racing can
be more interesting, But when you take it into go carts,
that's like the perfect combination of both because you do

(06:37):
have the technical components of road course, but then things
happen so quickly because it's a much shorter track, so
you have I feel like a lot more side by
side racing than you might race cars, which is so great.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I remember being in a full sized car for the
first time on a road course and it was, you know,
so much about just trying to squeeze a lap time out,
and every once in a while you get an opportunity
to pass.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
But it was a big adjustment.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Right, So when did you move from go karting to cars.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
In I guess I was fourteen years old and you
could do the Bridge Stone in a Formula two thousand
the Bridgetown Racing School.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
At most Port. Oh, yeah, so you could do that.
So I did that.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
And then I think, you know, whatever, one want to
race out of it or something, and did a handful
of races there. But then as far as actually actually racing,
I did a few dirt modified races when I was
fifteen and that was my first time in a full
full sized car. First time seeing a dirt oval was

(07:48):
warm ups.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
I've never driven on dirt. What's the biggest difference, I
guess for you if you could name one big difference
between dirt and asphalt.

Speaker 3 (08:01):
Yeah, I think just how violent it is really, uh,
you know, it's it's more akin to to racing dirt
bikes than like, you know, you're hanging onto the wheel,
you're being bucked around, just and how fast everything happens.
How short the races are, it's just you know, full throttle.

(08:24):
I probably still haven't done enough of it to to
really know all the nuances.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
M hmmm hmm.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
So but was it would they have an open wheel modified?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
I guess that's yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
So like there was the fenders on the on the
rear end and then the front wheels were open Okay.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay cool. So you I believe have done the most
racing in the Canadian NASCAR series, right, absolutely?

Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
So when did you get started there?

Speaker 3 (08:50):
So my dad started racing right around the time I
was born, and just as a nature of the business,
he he started vintage racing and then in the two
thousands he I don't know how he got talked into it.
He bought an old Rouse Transam car and so he
did a couple of Transam races. So he was always

(09:13):
kind of looking to do a handful of road course
races every year that were competitive because he had a
taste at the Transam series and in you know, ninety nine,
two thousand and two thousand and one, it was still
pretty competitive. So he bought an old cast car and
two thousand and seven became the Canadian NASCAR series, and

(09:34):
then he had always rented cars out and built cars
for customers of his for vintage racing. And one of
his good customers who vintage race with him had the
racing bug you know has since run Lamon is sick
for it. Said Hey, build me, build me another one
of those. We're going to go race most Port. We're

(09:56):
going to race three rivers. We're going to race Montreal
with the Bush Series and the Toronto Indy. So my
dad built that car, and I guess the first year
or second year he was running it, he couldn't make
the most Port race. And I think I was sixteen,
and it was like a month leading up to it.

(10:16):
My dad said, hey, like, the car is sitting here,
do you want to jump in it? And like, oh shit,
I hadn't done. I'd been in one of those cars
once before. Obviously I said yes, but man, I felt
like I was in over my head.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Oh oh, I can imagine. So okay, so you jump
into this car. Did you have any test days before
that first race or was it practice for the most
Port race?

Speaker 2 (10:45):
I had run no, no test days.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
I had run a regional race in my dad's car,
which was an older car, and different car before that,
and that was that was kind of it.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
So for our on racing listeners, like the gravity of
how absolutely terrifying this is, especially for a young kid,
like a sixteen year old, but for anyone jumping into
a new type of car with really tough competition that
has been racing at these tracks for years, like it
is so overwhelming, and I feel like you don't even

(11:20):
like you have no idea how challenging it's going to
be until you get there, and then you rise to
the occasion because you're a competitor and you figure it out.
But I have to imagine that it was a stressful
qualifying session. Qualifying always the scariest for me. It's like, Okay,
this is going to set you up for the race.
How are you gonna do? So how was that first
race for you?

Speaker 2 (11:36):
You know, it was decent.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
I remember going out for practice and on the outlap,
like two guys passed me sideways through corner two around
the outside end. Oh jeez, oh oh these guys are animals,
Like there's you know. So I think I practiced decent
and I didn't put much pressure on myself as first
qualifying because I didn't have you know, very high exations

(12:01):
and I probably qualified, you know, mid pack there and
running I got more and more comfortable, and you know,
there was probably some attrition and I was up to
I was running fifth, I was running in the top
five with like eleven to go, and then I just
I drove off through a puddle coming out a corner,

(12:22):
five up the back straight and finished eleventh. So after that,
I go, you know, I'm saying to myself, Okay, you
know I think I can do this, right.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
That's a huge vat of confidence. So then did you
immediately kind of step into racing full time or did
you have to convince no, Dad, let you do that.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
No.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
And and you know, my dad was super supportive of
us racing go karts. We never traveled to the States
or anything. We kind of did our six or seven
races here in Canada. Supported us, and then you know,
he wanted to focus on racing. By the time we
turned fifteen sixteen and could drive ourselves to the go
kart track, so if we wanted to continue racing, it

(13:07):
was kind of up to us to figure it out.
And you know, I'm sure he still paid the tire
bill at the go kart track but you know, sixteen
years old, I was going to the Go Kurt track
by myself and it was a lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
And are you doing all the wrenching on your go
cart and everything or did you oh yeah, a little
team okay.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Okay, yeah, no, it's just me like and you know
before that it was me and my dad and my brother.
But you know, I think maybe for you know, if
we went to the Canadian Nationals, he'd obviously he'd come
and we'd hire a guy to help out because it's
a pretty big weekend. But as far as racing a
car goes, it was it was on me to find

(13:48):
some sponsorship and to make it happen. So that was
kind of one kind of freebee deal there that was
probably already funded, and I found a little bit of
sponsorship I got, I got the golf course I was
working at to sponsor me.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
They were on the hood.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
But after that, I think I raced once more in
that series, and then I think by maybe by Fluke
had a customer of the business out to a tract
day and he was looking at a C six Corvette
and I took him around the track for a hot

(14:26):
lap and he he came in and he had a
pretty big business and he said, wow, do you need
sponsorship to go racing?

Speaker 1 (14:35):
That is the dream?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah yeah, And it wasn't, you know, anything crazy. But
I put together proposal and I had done a couple beforehand,
so this was twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen. I put together
this proposal to do three road course races and you know,
wrapped the car and went to three rivers, Icar and Mostport,

(15:03):
and then I think finished sixth that Mostport that year
had those guys out. They were happy and you know,
kind of priming them, and they were they were keen
to do some more racing the next year. And the
next year them and a few other sponsors. I worked
my butt off all winter and we were going to
go race the whole season.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
And that was in twenty fourteen or twenty twenty fifteen. Yeah, okay,
amazing that I mean. And just to emphasize, like getting
sponsorship for motorsports at a grassroots level or at a
more regional level, not the three national series in NASCAR
especially is so challenging and it's you know, having to
be creative on what the ROI is and really like

(15:45):
thinking about the sponsors that you're pitching, so that is
kudos to you. That is so impressive. So you race
full time in twenty fifteen. We met in twenty sixteen
for NASCAR Next and I found something that I want
to show you from NASCAR Next. For those of you, uh,
just just listening, there's a poster that was made of
the NASCAR Next class, which is Harrison Burton, Colin Cabry,

(16:08):
Spencer Davis Alonde, Tyler Dipple, Todd Gillan, met Tiff Taimajeski, Me,
Gary Klute, and Noah Gregson. And it's a fun little
hero card and then we've got the serious personality pose.
It is very fun. So this was a program that
NASCAR did for quite a few years to try to

(16:29):
kind of help identify up and coming talent. And I
thought our class was so interesting because we had such
a diverse geographic representation between you and Canada and Alon
in Israel. And I'll be honest, when I saw this poster,
actually someone at the NASCAR R and D Center put
it on my desk. But when I saw like Harrison

(16:49):
and Noah and Todd and all these guys who you know,
we were all pretty comparable and like they're opened the
Cup Series and it's like, you know what, we were
hot shots too at one time. That it was fun.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yep, yeah, no, that was that was That was a
lot of fun. And I I didn't know what the
NASCAR next deal was when I when I got the
phone call.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, no, I I did not know. I had I
think I heard some of it, but I didn't know
what it entailed at all. And I thought, I mean,
it was cool to at the very least get a
glimpse of what kind of goes into some of the
other elements of racing.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
For sure, for sure.

Speaker 3 (17:24):
And it was it was my first like I had
run one full season before that, and I wasn't thinking
about you know, going down to the States or making
it to Cup or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
And then to go down and hang out with all
you guys racing the K and N series and see
how you know, everyone had this cut not explicitly, but
you could tell everyone kind of had this plan that
they were, you know, going to try and make it
to the Cup Series.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
It was a different world than than the Canadian series.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
That is really interesting here because like I definitely thought
I was going to make it to Cup until like
twenty twenty, and then then it finally hit me. It's like,
you know what, this isn't going to happen at least
not you know, not organically. And but that is interesting
that from kind of some of the other other countries,
other series that that wasn't as much of a kind

(18:19):
of end goal. Did you did you feel like your
goals adjusted it all or did you think, Okay, maybe
this is the possibility that we can try to go
do this Cup racing.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
I don't. I mean, I think those two years.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
Twenty sixteen, I worked hard again and had a bunch
of momentum from twenty fifteen. I won the Rookie of
the Year a couple of polls, won the first race
of the season, and got a really good amount of sponsorship,
and was you know, on paper making making good money,
but you know.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
We're going to put it all back into the car.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
I've done a full time job otherwise, so obviously yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
So I don't know. I guess the NASCAR next that
was probably the peak of my.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Ambition as far as NASCAR went, you know, looking at
everyone's plan to go race trucks, and after we left
that that NASCAR next deal. Kind of the end of
that season seeing people have truck starts and guys racing
for KBM the following year and or during that year
maybe even racing in the truck Series. And so I

(19:28):
started to really follow it and and you know, think
about the possibility and start pitching truck series stuff or
you know, bigger budget stuff to go to the States
without really having a big internal discussion with myself if

(19:49):
that's what I really wanted to do, and I certainly
would have. You know, had I landed a five million
dollar sponsor, I certainly would have gone and done it.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
You know, it would have been a huge learning curve.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
And I think, you know, I get to I get
to play professional athlete for the short summer that that
it is in Canada. But that's always appealed to me.
A professional athletes lifestyle is great. I think it would
be very cool really looking after yourself, really focusing on.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
This one pointed goal.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
But as and I was still pretty young at the time,
but as I get older now, like you'd have to
pay me so much money to be away from my
family for thirty eight weekends a year.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah, I want to come back to this. We're going
to take a quick break, but we'll be right back
with Gary Klute on if I'm honest with Julia Landauer.
We are back with Gary Clute and if I'm honest
with Julia Landauer, you were just talking about how you
kind of start exploring potential racing full time in the

(20:55):
state it's going after that, but realize now that that
wouldn't be the try for you. What was that conversation
like or realizing the lifestyle demands and just like what
goes into pursuing that full time versus the life you're
choosing to live for yourself? Now, what did that conversation
look like?

Speaker 3 (21:14):
I think I don't think it was so much a
conversation more than you know, thinking about the realities of it.
As far as making it to the Cup Series, you
know you could. I think you could show up with
a good amount of sponsorship and get a pretty good
ride in a truck and maybe even in an Exfinity car.

(21:36):
But in twenty seventeen, I was looking for a truck
ride because the Truck series was coming up to Canadian
Entire Motorsport Park and it was a double header weekend
with us and you know, I'm fast there I thought
I had a good shot at doing it, so I
was looking for an inexpensive truck ride. I had a
little bit of sponsorship, and I called Premium Motorsports and

(21:58):
we did a deal for the truck race, and then
they kind of floated out, hey, we don't have anyone
for Walkin's Glenn in our cup car. Why don't you
run the cup car as well? So I did that
race and in a it's not a very well prepared

(22:19):
or fast car, the battery fell.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
Out for practice in the series. Yeah, so I got.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
No practice, not that I you know, apparently didn't need it,
but you know, and then the car was it handled
terribly And just kind of that realization that at those
higher levels you're gonna have to pay your dues for
quite a while in subpar equipment, even if you're going
to get there, and that's that didn't seem like any

(22:49):
fun to me, you know, to be traveling around doing
nothing but that not being competitive, just grind out there
was of no interest.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, I definitely appreciate that, and I think I had
not the same experience. But you know, when you get
in when you're used to potentially being in really good equipment,
and then going to if it's a lower budget that
allows you to do it more or whatever, like some
of the headaches that you deal with, and then you
almost don't get to focus on optimizing your performance because
you can only do so much with the equipment that

(23:25):
you have. And that was I think also one of
the tipping points for me. It's like, I'm not going
to be able to experience victory at the budget that
I'm able to get for a certain racing like not
going to be able to at least run up front.
And I think as any competitive person, that's a really
tough thing to do day in and day out, just
for the sake of being there. And to your point,

(23:47):
it's such a demanding schedule. And I think what's interesting
to see in motorsports also is like there's so little
new blood coming in at the highest levels, and you
see like even established teams will tap semi retired racers
to come back and race in their series as opposed
to new drivers, and it makes for a like pretty

(24:08):
daunting journey, especially if you're not from inside the industry
in the traditional sense of like a parent or grandparent
was a racer or sponsor or team owner or whatever
it is, and it just you know, I think you
probably feel the same way. It's just like you want
to feel like the work you're doing is paying off
and you want to feel like they're satisfaction in the
result of what you're producing.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
We had good equipment here, and frankly, during that deal,
I was able to find a lot more sponsorship for
the NASCAR truck race in Canada than the highest level
Cup Series race down in the States, just because of
all the relationships that I have north of the border.
So that was another point where it was like, oh,

(24:56):
it might be tough to find sponsorship to go racing
in the States, and it had proved that way finding
money for the for the truck series stuff pitching the
full season. So yeah, I was you know, I'm grew
up racing road courses. I have the most fun racing
the road courses. Very happy to be racing the NASCAR

(25:20):
Canada Series. And I don't think a lot of people
outside of say the Mexico Series or the euro Series
or the Canada Series realize that that these series aren't
necessarily stepping stones. They're an end in themselves. For a
lot of the people who live in these countries and
they're an end in themselves for the corporate sponsors and

(25:42):
the sponsors that support us. It is the national series here,
you know, and there's a lot of well, you know,
in the Canadian series, Like there's a lot of serious
racers in that series that aren't looking to go anywhere else, right,
They're here to race that series.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Yeah, which I mean for anyone who hasn't watched it,
like is super competitive racing. And I feel like a
lot of the racers have been racing against each other
for years, if not decades, and so there's like you
understand the nuances of your competitors when you're racing for
that long, and it makes for incredibly tight, hard and overall,
I think clean racing. I think of the Canadian Series

(26:18):
as being a cleaner, less less crashing series than some
of the other NASCAR series, which I've always appreciated, and
I know that's a that's a point where people in
NASCAR differ, Like for me, I think, especially with the
road course background, it's like you want to make clean passes,
you you know, and in the euro Series you get
penalized if you unnecessarily cause contact, and so it's like,

(26:42):
I love that because it's like, Okay, you got to
prove yourself, you got to get by. You can't just
dump someone out of the way. But plenty of people
completely disagree with me and think like if you if
you gotta do what you gotta do for the win,
even if that means dumping first place, and it's just
like it's a very different approach to the craft of racing.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
For sure. For sure, that's definitely the majority of the
guys up here. That's the sentiment.

Speaker 3 (27:06):
You know, two or three guys who had raced Indy
Car in their younger days, guys who had raced and
Durance racing at Lamar that run in our series, and
then you know a lot of old school short track
guys who don't like to tear up equipment, and that's
who make up you know, the top ten in our gride.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Yeah, and I will never forget that I was racing
in I don't remember if it was in twenty eighteen
or twenty nineteen. I was part time in the Canadian
series and we had a rough qualifying, so I think
I was like down in tenth or eleventh, And I
will never forget that. Chandler Smith who was running the
truck race there also ran a Canadian Series race like
crashed me out of tenth place trying to pass me

(27:48):
on the last corner, then went on to crash someone
else out of like eighth place, and just like not
like came in like guns are blazing and crashed three
people who are more or less serious regulars and respectful
competitive out of place, and it's just like this is
so heartbreaking and devastating. It's like you're totally messing up
the status quo of this series and making a ton
of enemies. But he is racing full time at the

(28:11):
higher level than I'm not, so maybe it works for him.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, for sure, I learned that the hard way.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
At most Port in twenty fifteen, we were running the
same weekend as the trucks. I had taken tires. I
think I was up to sixth or seventh place. I
had three seconds clear of the field every lap, like
I was going to win the race driving to the front,
and Spencer Gallagher turned me on the backstraight and just
absolutely tore me up for no reason.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
And I, I you know, learned a little.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Bit about you know, being I guess a little bit
more defensive and getting out of getting out of the way.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
But it's such a crazy concept I think to like
in the spirit of competition in racing cars which are
so expensive, they're dangerous, they're big machines. Like, it's just
it's okay that you know, at most port in the
truck race, if you're leading, you're gonna and the person
second is close enough, they're just gonna slam into the

(29:12):
back of you and crash you out if you're leading. Like,
it's just such a weird mentality that I'm clearly not
a fan of that. I just feel like hurts the craft.
But I think most part is particularly bad about that
because the last corner is a fairly slow right hander
that leads onto a short shoot to the start finish
line basically, and so it's a perfect opportunity to just

(29:34):
use someone else as your brake pad.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean the truck race, I'll I would
if I was in it again, if they ever come back,
I just accept that.

Speaker 2 (29:44):
That is the fact. That's how you how you race
that race.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
It's wild, it's wild. Well pivoting a little bit I
had not known before we started chatting. They throughout your
entire racing career in cars, when you're pitching sponsorship and
you're you know, being competitive in these series, you were
also basically working full time. So can you go into
that what you were doing first of all and what
you continue to do, but then also that balance of

(30:09):
pursuing this really incredible sport while also setting yourself up
for your future success and independence and finances and all
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
Yeah, yeah, and that's a good that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
That was that's always has always been more more or
equally important to me than as the racing or then
the racing is. Yeah, success in independence and you know,
having that having that freedom. So I went to university
for it was a BECOM program that was called Real

(30:41):
Estate and Housing. I bought a rental property, had seven
guys living in it during all that's fun, to pay
off the mortgage or pay it down like just you know,
made up new rooms in the house, bought another house
my third year again cramming people in there, and ended

(31:03):
up with four I think four houses and something like
maybe eighteen or nineteen rooms or tenants by the end
of university.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
So I was a landlord there we go.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah, doing that, you know, and then kind of got
sick of all that stuff. Not sick of it, but
it was a lot of work, and you're dealing with students.
And as I aged out of it and moved away
from that town, it wasn't as easy to.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Zip over and work on the stuff.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
So sold that stuff, bought a property with a few partners.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
I'm the young guy in the deal.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
I'm going to do all the work, and developed a
commercial plaza that's now all up and running and leased out,
and kind of just kept that rolling and then just
always looking for opportunities and going back. I guess started
buying and selling cars in high school with the family

(32:06):
business work the summers. Only by university did I work
at the office here full time instead of you know,
going and getting a construction job or something. And bought
and sold, you know, fifteen to twenty cars a.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Summer, and.

Speaker 3 (32:25):
Did that as well during university and kind of phased
out to that. Always did that, and then slowly phased
that out as the real estate stuff got more demanding
for my time.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, So what would you say in your family's company
is Ledendary Motor Car Company, and you've done TV work
and you know, content work for them side question, what's
been the coolest car that you've or the most memorable
car that you've driven as part of that work.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
There's there's so many cool cars, I know, and they're
all cool for different reasons. I think it was probably
pretty recently my dad, my brother and myself took nineteen
sixty four g T forty prototype car.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
To the Lamal Classic Weekend. Oh wow, that was.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Two summers ago, were last summer, and that was, you know,
just a bucket less trip going and racing at Lamont
at three am at night, you know, in a period car.
I had tears in my eyes the first lap, like
it was the coolest thing ever.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, that's such an incredible moment, especially like with your
family right, like to experience that, Oh, that's it's incredible.
So back to my original question, what's your split with
legendary and real estate and now you know, getting racing
in why you can where you can?

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Yeah, so as I as I do less and less cardials.
I had done the TV show with my dad from
Jeez for Velocity Channel. We started in maybe twenty twelve
and went to about twenty sixteen. So did that learned
a whole bunch in TV, you know, and running the

(34:11):
production here in house and going to the editor suite,
shipping it off to Velocity Discovery Channel and doing that
for I think four or five years, and then now
TV's kind of trending downwards as far as what they're
going to pay, what the actual viewership is, so it

(34:33):
made more sense for us to start a YouTube channel
here and kind of manage that. We've got a couple
guys here doing that full time. We do one video
a week, So that's you know, the main extent at
which I'm involved in legendary. My office is here. You know,
I talked to everyone fifty times a day. I still

(34:55):
keep my finger on the pulse of the car market
and what's going on because I'm one, I'm passionate about
it and too, you know, I'm still doing videos about
it and and like to be able to, you know,
chat with people about cars and kind of be current.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Yeah. That's a good balance. Sounds healthy balance.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
Yeah, And that's something you know, I think.

Speaker 3 (35:21):
I'd get advice from my dad during those twenty fifteen
and sixteen years, you know, I think not that he
was nervous ever, but you know, those are those are
important years to build a foundation in whatever whatever career
you're going to have. I think I was, you know,
I guess twenty three, twenty four at the time, you know,

(35:41):
and if if I went and moved to North Carolina
and lived on a couch for five or six years, inevitably,
you know, there's a long shot chance that wouldn't happen,
but inevitably, you know, come back to a business a
little bit older and without those you know, kind of
behind the eight ball. Yeah, so balance was always important, and.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah I didn't.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
I didn't thankfully the Canadian season is so short and
his twelve races long. Even running the full season, you know,
I'm here in the office was Monday to Thursday, so
I could I could keep everything juggling. And looking back, like,
I think that was it was super important to do.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
Totally, and I can look back and say that I
agree that I think that that was more because I didn't.
I didn't necessarily like abandon all planning for the future
and with speaking and some of the other stuff I've done,
like set that foundation, but at thirty two, not pursuing
racing anymore to the extent that I was, like, I
do feel a little behind and So I think that
that's a really special bit of advice to get from

(36:48):
your parents to like, you know, think about that, to
think about that balance, because you know, I don't have
kids yet, but I know that you do. And like, like,
when you start thinking about setting you and your family
and them up for the future, I feel like it
takes on so much more weight than when you're just
thinking about yourself. So we're gonna come back and talk
about this more. We're gonna take one more break and

(37:09):
then we'll be back with Gary. We are back with Garry,
and if I'm honest with Julia Landauer, so we're just
talking about kind of balancing planning for the future. And
you have kids, and you know, a question that I
get a lot is, you know, will you have your

(37:29):
kids do racing? And I think about that. And on
the one hand, I learned so many incredible life lessons.
I learned how to interact with people that were very
different from me in a lot of different ways, how
to you know, not discriminate based on labels, how to
be in a very diverse group of people different skills.

(37:52):
And at the same time, I also know how challenging
it is, and you know, I've always I've pursued racing
as like that is the goal to get to those
highest levels. And so I think, like, I don't know,
maybe they'll get into go karting, maybe not, And it's
not a problem I have to deal with yet. But
what are your thoughts on if you think your kids

(38:13):
will get into racing.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Yeah, I feel like I feel like it might be inevitable,
at least at a at a young age, because I
can't see I've got one son and another another boy's
coming on the way, and I just can't see them,
you know, being five six years old saying no, I
don't want to do that.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
So so you will give it to them as an option.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Absolutely, And it's so funny that I'm only kind of
remembering this now, but you know, we'd thank our parents after,
you know, driving home from the go car track, like, hey,
thanks for you know, the weekend and all the work
and stuff, and they say, no problem, as long as
you do it for your kids. Interesting, okay, you know,

(38:59):
And as that twelve year old, yeah of course, yeah, yeah,
And now it's so yeah, I think they'll probably race.
Uh you know, I'm I'm I'm passionate about so many
sports and activities. I love to golf, I love bicycle.
You know, I've done at one race. I've ride my

(39:22):
bike all the time, So you know, my son will
probably grow up riding a bike a lot more than
I did as a kid. So I'm not opposed to
any of those other sports. You know, if he wants
to go hang out at the golf course all day
and hit balls and try and do that, I think,
you know you're gonna learn maybe not all of the
same lessons as you would at the gokurt track as

(39:43):
at a golf course, and maybe a few more bad habits,
but uh, you know you're going to be hanging out
with adults and learning how to be respectful. And I
think a lot of a lot of lessons like that.
So yeah, I think we learned so much at the
go kart track, and you learn so much about yourself
and competition, and you know, the the mindset of having

(40:09):
no excuses because it you know, results don't lie.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, And I think to that point, there's something really
special about the dynamic of racing because it is a
team sport in the sense that you have to work
with other people and you have to be able to
articulate what you need to a different person, but at
the end of the day, it's you on the racetrack,
and so how you drive the vehicle is going to
determine more or less what your result is. And so

(40:33):
the idea of that kind of individual sport I think
is really important, especially like as you were talking about,
like the responsibility that you have to have. I also
I personally grapple with the balance of like I think
it was so good to be a girl in racing
when it was really boy dominated, and like learning how
to hold my own since the world likes most industries

(40:55):
are still male dominated and there are so few sports
that grow else can be competitive with boys, and so
it's like, well, if I have daughters eventually, like where
where can they get something similar that maybe had a
little more potential longevity. But that brings me back to
the point that you made when I was a guest
on your podcast that you now kind of look at

(41:17):
racing as like a as a like would you say
professional enthusiast or forever or something that being an enthusiast
of a sport or a hobby allows you to pursue
it with no timeline, like you can just keep going
and it's not captive like this is your peak, this
is as long as you're gonna be able to do
this activity. And I thought that was so beautiful and
such a great way to kind of shift the mindset

(41:40):
for how you pursue things.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
For sure, you're never you know, I want to I
want to race at a high level until I'm seventy.
I want to you know, ski at a high level
until I'm at least that old. And you're not going
to do that with a professional mindset. You're going to
do that with an enthusiast mindset. And it doesn't mean
you take it any less seriously or ebsess about it

(42:04):
any less, or train, you know any less hard, or
work in the garage on your car any less. It's
just you know, you're not you're not trying to make
a living at it.

Speaker 2 (42:16):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (42:17):
And I feel like it allows you to almost reap
more satisfaction or pride in what you're doing because you're
not measuring it off the goalpost of like either you
are winning at the very highest level or you're not succeeding, right, Like,
there's much more of a spectrum of what it is

(42:38):
that is fulfilling about whereas I feel like if you're
pursuing something to be the high level professional at it,
it's like they're kind of clear indicators on if you've
made it or.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Not right right for sure. Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
I probably still fall more on the in the the
Canadian series, in the NASCAR Canada Series, more on the
professional side is you know, I want to find sponsorship
for every race or else I'm not going to go racing,
and I want to win every race. You know, we

(43:13):
finished second in the last one, put it on the poll, like.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
All that's there. But you know, I'm old enough where I.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Know now what my future careers path is going to
look like and it's not going to be making a
living from from those those races. So yeah, and then
the other sports that I do. It is certainly the
enthusiast side of things, but you know, I think I

(43:43):
think it's I really enjoy showing up to races with
the ability to win, not as a professional.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Yeah, that's it's also kind of badass. You know, you
just kind of roll in and you're still still running
up front, which is well, so you're racing part time,
handful of races in the Canadian NASCAR Series this year.
How do you approach jumping into the car if it's
at all different. I personally find it quite tough to
be a part time racer, and I think most people

(44:14):
will say that because especially if you get out of
the routine of regular training or regular SIEM work or
all this stuff, it can be a little tough. How
do you approach that or is it a non issue
for you?

Speaker 3 (44:29):
I think I think when we're when I'm racing part time,
it's it's only pretty much only on the road courses,
maybe the audible, So I think that's slightly less important
than that that feel and rhythm of running three hundred
laps consistently in a noble I think you can prepare

(44:50):
pretty specifically for the each road course, jump on the simulator.
The other stuff is, you know, I try and stay
fit and healthy all year round. I'll ramp it up
before the before the season starts. I'll get down to
whatever weight I want to be. I'll jump in the
sauna more and more and more to get you know,

(45:13):
to deal with the heat better, because that's something I
struggle with. So and again, like I said earlier, like
I enjoy the professional athlete mindset, even if I'm working
full time, you know, sitting at home last night watching
the new season of the Tour de France on Netflix,
like just oh, man, Like those guys have a cool

(45:34):
month where they're doing that even though they're suffering beyond belief.
Like they go back to the hotel, they get a
meal with all their perfect macros, They've got the massage,
they get their injections, and yeah, like I like that.
So I enjoy preparing for each race and running part time,

(45:55):
I get more time to prepare for each race.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
So true to that point. I was thinking about that
this week that like my former manager was really tied
in with kind of the helping them well in this
community out in LA and so like I would do
pool training with former professional athletes and do a lot
of breathing work. And it's like when you go out
to LA, your jet lags are waking up at like
four thirty five, and you're just feeling so fresh in

(46:19):
the morning, and like I kind of want to like
do some kind of wellness retreat where it's that thing
like you wake up early and then you're doing like
multiple different types of training or yoga or breathing, work
and going on hikes, putting your phone down, like eating
the super healthy, not drinking because when I'm at home,
I love drinking wine, so you know, it's a little tougher,

(46:39):
but like that, you just feel so good and fresh.
And I hope to get to the point where it's
like that level of like committing like two hours a
day to your wellness and physical mental well being is
a little easier because I tried to wake up early
this week and before going into an office. It's it's

(47:00):
a commitment to wake up early to go do that.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
It's funny.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
And I hate when people say this, but I'm going
to say it. Well, now that I have kids, it's
a lot less time you should take advantage. Yeah, And
and I'm not complaining because I still I can still
take the time and do it. But yeah, I feel
the same way, like that is ideal if you, you know,

(47:28):
had that two hour block to just do your.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Routine and a lot of it.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
I think for me, anyways, comes down to uh, your
ability to make yourself do that. You know, you can
sit on the couch and say, oh, wouldn't it be
great if I, you know, had an hour every day
to stretch and it's like, well you do, you just
don't do it.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Right, right, No, that's super fair. And I think part
of you know, I, over the last few years have
invested in more home equipment, so like have the stationary
by have the erg of the weights. But last year
I invested in a sauna, an infrared sauna that's in
the garage, and oh my god, it brings me so
much joy and like, you know, to dedicate twenty minutes

(48:05):
just such a purge of a sweat with no phone,
no distraction. It is so good and so healing and
so important. And I've realized that that those are areas
where I will continue to invest to like kind of
have that ease of ease of wellness at home. I
guess which is a luxury.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Yeah, one hundred percent it is, But it's you know,
it's so important. You look at at how important sauna
is for overall health. I just built a cold tub
in my garage.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
There's been one time here it's so jealous, jealous.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yeah, and it's just you know, you never regret it.
I've been doing it for I think five or six
years now, every day in the cold, and it's it's
just one of those things that at you know, doing cardio, exercise,
doing a sauna. Doing that, I'm a better person, I'm
better to other people for it, I'm happy beer.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
It's just things that I need to do totally.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
So what are your if you could name a handful
you talked about SONI, You've talked about cold plunge, Like,
are there what specific things do you feel kind of
give the most reward and replenishment that you try to
incorporate as regularly as possible.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
M I've lifted weights and worked out in the gym
for I think probably since twenty ten, so that's just
kind of a baseline for me. But when I started riding,
I hated cardios, I hated running. But when I started riding,
riding a bike and cycling longer and longer and longer distances,
that is I think the biggest, you know, instant noticeable

(49:44):
benefit is how good you feel after a ride and
for the rest of the day. So I know cardio sucks,
but I think it's important to find a way that
makes it fun enough to do. Yeah, whether it's cross
country skis, whether it's climbing up a mountain or going
on a big hike or whatever it may be. You know,

(50:07):
that's something that I've just in the last five years
realized how important it is.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Mm hmm, yeah, I hear you. I do like running,
and it's but it's the same thing. You get like
that kind of mental escape and you put the mileage
in and feels absolutely shitty during it, but so satisfying afterwards.
So I'm I've kind of sort of followed along with
Brian Johnson, who's the tech executive who's investing like millions

(50:34):
of dollars every year to try to stay young and
like not ages.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Either, like really young looking guys.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Really pale, really yeah, And so I don't know if
you if you also kind of paid attention there, but
you know, there are some things they're just kind of
like really out there. But I think at at its core,
like kind of focusing in on those those like base
level biological things that we need from eating from you know,

(51:02):
limiting what kind of toxic stuff we put in our bodies,
and getting that that surge of energy from cold from hot.
I think it's really great and I think I'm I
think I'm going to put a little more effort into
exploring some of those I don't want to say woo
woo things, but you know, kind of more out there
things that you can just feel different or like experiment.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
You know.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
Yeah, no, I've yeah, I've slowly, I guess gotten more
woo woo.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
You know.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
I've got a little I've got a little electrical not electrical,
but a negative grounding pad underneath my desk and I
sit with my bare foot on that. So the idea
of grounding is that, you know, we have we're electrical beings,
and we were designed to stand on the earth with
our bare feet and you measure with an amporage meter

(51:56):
walking in shoes versus barefoot at bare feet, and it's
a huge difference. So we're meant to be grounded, like
you know right now, we're not grounded with.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Our shoes on.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
So it's just like a little pad that that plugs
that has like metal lay through it, and it plugs
into the literally the ground plug in a plug. So
it is purportedly discharging your energy while you're sitting there.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
I don't know, I don't know. Yeah, it was forty
five bucks. So apparently there's big benefits for inflammation.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
I believe that. Yeah, yeah, okay, tell me other things.
Tell me other things that you're doing. I want to
hear more of the wu wu things.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
Yeah, I've got I've got a red light for red
light therapy.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I'm sure you've you're aware.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
I don't. Actually I don't have one, but I'm aware
of it.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, yeah, so I do that. I don't know about
necessarily woo woo stuff. And maybe it's your to your
question about what is the most important, and it's just
kind of so fundamental.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
I maybe forgot about it.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
It's just eating healthy, and for me, I've gone I've.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Tried different things.

Speaker 3 (53:04):
I've tried eating steaks only for two weeks maybe four
years ago, when that was a big thing, and then
you know, playing around with that being my baseline, steak
and eggs, and then what kind of carbohydrates I'm adding
in or not during the season, eating fruit during the summer,

(53:27):
you know, maybe some white rice or whatever. Well, I'm
riding my bike, that's going to be more carbohydrate heavy.
But I've found as a baseline, I feel best when
I'm simply eating you know, avocado, eggs, steak, fish.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
That's pretty much it.

Speaker 3 (53:46):
As soon as I start to stray, the further I
stray from that the.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Way well on the quality of what you buy also,
and again unfortunately it is an investment for people to
eat more natural, less preservative food. But I feel like
that that mentality is so important. You know, we at
this point we there are local farms in around Charlotte
that you know, that's where we get our our meats from.

(54:13):
And you know, you going to farmer's market and getting
local produce. We are now growing tomatoes and it is
so so cool and so satisfying to kind of just
take it out of the soil or out of the
stock on the soil. But but yeah, and like really
limiting processed, pre made stuff and it just it. And

(54:34):
I think also like it's tough, like with restaurants and
you like to go out to eat, and even if
you're eating a healthy restaurant, it the amount of salt
and butter. And we do cook with a lot of butter.
Husband's French like it's part of his DNA. But it's
so much more when you go out. And I think
that's especially as you get older in your body does
not rebound as quickly or filter things as well. It's

(54:58):
super important.

Speaker 3 (55:00):
Yeah, I think I think I cook with only butter
and beef tallow. I think it's the seed oils, like
all the you know, canola oil and sunflower oil that
restaurants use, because you know, you can have a piece
of veal at home that.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
You cooked in butter and you feel great.

Speaker 3 (55:12):
Oh yeah, the same piece of veal out at a
restaurant I had this week for lunch with a with
a client, and I felt terrible. And I I assume
it was just cooked in sunflour oil or something, and.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
Yeah, shit, yeah, no, I totally hear you. The one
that's tough. It's like, I know that I sleep better
when I don't have any alcohol at night, and I
recover better. And I don't, like, I don't drink a
lot of liquor, like how the odd cocktail, but wine
with dinner is really nice. So I think that's the
one area where it's like, I gotta if I want
to be more diligent. That's where I can hone in

(55:44):
on being more diligent.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
For sure.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
For sure, I've gone down, you know, and just the culture,
you know, drinking on the weekends, especially being in your twenties.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
And then now the best excuse and not even an
excuse has been having kids, you know, for the nine
months before my wife's having zero drinks.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Did you join her with that?

Speaker 2 (56:08):
No?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Okay, I thought you're about to say I joined that
journey with joined her on that journey.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
No, But you know there's now there's certainly many weekends
now where I don't have a drink, and I don't
drink during the week, but where I don't have a
drink at all, and it's you know, we're just more
in the similar routine Monday to Friday, Saturday and Sunday
look pretty similar as far as our evenings go, you know,

(56:35):
being at home.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
So that's been good.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
And I think, you know, apart from eating that, that
has to be the biggest, the biggest thing, you know.
I have two drinks and I wake up the next
morning and I know I had them.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
M Yeah. Yeah. It's a tough part of getting older too,
I think, and I'm sure it affects you equally. You
just don't feel it as much when you're younger. But yeah,
it's the sleep for me is and I don't know
how obviously you're now a parent of a young child
and seemed to be another one. But before that, were

(57:08):
you prioritizing sleep a lot as well.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
I've always prioritized sleep, and maybe not maybe not sleep
quality in any certain way, but certainly sleep. Like you know, I,
I'll go to bed at ten o'clock and all unless
i'm which unless I have something planned in the morning,
which you know, a couple times a week I do,
whether it's hunting or riding my bike or something like

(57:33):
that where it's a crazy wake up, I'll sleep till
six fifty. So I think that's a that's a good,
good amount of sleep. I've been taping my mouth at
night for the past three or four years now, and
talk to me about that.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Have you read Breath? I forget the author.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
No, but I've heard of it. So now that it's
someone else, okay.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
It's a mandatory read.

Speaker 3 (57:56):
It'll scare the crap out of you, okay, and it'll
change you to being a nose breather only for the
rest of time.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Like, oh, I believe that. So yeah, So some of
the stuff I was doing out in LA was really
heavy on the breathing and the nose breathing. And but yes,
I'll read that.

Speaker 2 (58:17):
Yeah, yeah, very good.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
He does a whole ton of experiments on himself and
sees changes and just all these things that you don't
even think are related to mouth breathing, from cavities to
Alzheimer's to inflammation, to the shape of your face to
all sorts of different stuff. So, you know, I feel
like I'm pretty pretty much predominantly nose breathing now, but

(58:39):
I still just tape my mouth at night, just a
little piece of tape.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
So had you noticed that you were breathing through your mouth?
So I'm thinking about it, and I kind of feel
like I sleep breathing through my nose.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Yeah, I mean I think I go to bed right
previously to that I would go to bed and breathing
through my nose. But you know, I think if you're snoring,
some people are snoring through their nose, but if you're
you know, you might crack open your mouth.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Or falls open, and you know, and you'll you'll.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Notice if you start to tape it and then don't
tape it, you might have a more dry mouth in
the morning.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Don't tape it.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Actually, now that you mentioned that, like there are certain
nights where like especially if I have a headache TMI
for our listeners, but like you know, using a mouth
guard at night, guard at night because it's you know,
I definitely clench and when they're stress and everything, that
doesn't help. But yeah, I know that you mentioned that
when that's in there, it's not cute in the morning stry.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
Yeah, yeah, cool.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Well, we're gonna pivot in trying to respect your time.
We're gonna pivot to the last segment, but I could
talk about health and wellbeing forever. We're gonna pivot to
the if You're honest, which is the rapid fire section
with a handful of questions. So Gary, what is your
favorite racetrack that you've competed on?

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Favorite racetrack is is most port or Canadian entire motorsport park.
It's just being Canadian. It's an iconic racetrack in Canada.
It is a mini spa. It is you know where
they race the Canadian Grand Prix up until the seventies.
It's through the forest, it's out in the country. It
is a bad, bad racetrack.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Can confirm it is fantastic. Which musical artists are you
listening to? A lot right now?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
A lot right now?

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
I had listened to a lot of different types of music,
whether it's country or it's the farewell tour for No Effects.
So I'm listening to them a lot right now. So
a lot of California punk.

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Nice had not heard of them, have to check them out.
What country have you not traveled to that you want to?

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
Italy amazing?

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
And last question, what is something that you're grateful for
right now?

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Well back to the wellness questions, I feel like that's
that's an important question. Just trying to be grateful every
day for everything that you have, you know, and and
listing it. That's my practice when I get in the
cold tub, I started to say thank you for everything
that I have and I start listing you know, family

(01:01:21):
members and you know, go down the list.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
I love that especially, Yeah, like family and those who
are in your circle. It's just like you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
I think.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Great thing about getting older is you realize like how
important that is and kind of shift your focus of
where where you stress, where you don't stress. You know
what you make sure you nurture, what you can get
rid of if it's not serving. So that's so nice. Well, Gary,
thank you for joining me. Where can people find you
on social media?

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
I have a unique last name, so I'm just Gary
cluded everything.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
There we go. I will link them.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Perfect. Well, thank you so much for joining me. This
was a great conversation. We wish you a lot of
luck on the races that you compete on this year,
and everyone, thank you for joining us. And if you
like this episode, please give us a follow, share it
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Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Cool. Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Of course, thank you everyone for letting us be honest
with you and I look forward to seeing you in
two weeks.