October 30, 2024 • 27 mins
Buckle up, boo. Em and Gem are going deep into Halloween’s weird, witchy past—from the ancient Celtic Samhain to why we’re carving up pumpkins. Wondering who invented candy corn or how Latin celebrations honor ancestors and the afterlife? Throw in an ouija board, a ghost writer (literally), and an occult rocket scientist, and you’re in for a Halloween that is all treats, no tricks.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If something happens and the clown from Terrifier comes after us,
I've quicked down clown. You ever heard of sop throut
and roll that works for demon's monsters, clowns.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
All of that stuff today, all of the candy corn
and circulation is still the same candy corn from the
eighteen eighties.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
And you can tell me the taste, and if you
light it on fire, it'll burn like a candle. Trick
or treating dates back to the Middle Ages, when people
would go door to door asking for food in exchange
for prayers for the dead. Around this time, they also.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Do grap site visits, so on those two days, families
will clean and decorate graves, bringing offerings and often spending
the night celebrating the lads of the dead with music,
food and prayers.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
And wear royalty free costumes like Plummer from video games.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Launch Welcome Earth Beams Ethereal Beings to a special all
halosy edition of In our Own World, The Spirit of Halloween.
We're starting off by diving into the origins of this
mystical holiday, how it began, the traditions it grew from,
and the ancient rituals.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
That still linger in the shadows.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Today and later, we have a very special guest joining us,
someone who's connection to the spiritual realm runs deep. This
person has spent years mastering an ancient art that many
of us are curious about, and tonight they're gonna help
us unlock some of its deepest mysteries. Stick around to
find out who the guest is. And let's just say,
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if you've ever wondered what the cards have to reveal,
you won't want to miss this.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Woo Welcome Earth Things first official Scarce Spook right day
in auto space for us to you. Oh wow, thunder Lightning, Dracula.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Obviously, this is M's favorite holiday. I don't know if
anybody could tell. Might just be a meme, though it
really is.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I feel like that's always something between us because I
love scary things here around. I likes it no day around.
That's not true.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
No, nothing don't speak for me. I actually really enjoy Halloween.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, you like like ominions, Halloween Transylvate, you know, like
cartoons and.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Stuff you don okay, Stone, you're talking about the movies
that I like to enjoy. I like Tim Burton Halloween
movie wise, Halloween Wise. I enjoy the whole holiday, and
I actually enjoy the real holiday because I love the
occult and I love spirituality. So if anything, I think
I like Halloween better than you do.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Tell that to you. A year ago, when in our
own world went to Halloween horn night, who wants to
be Scared had to be cleaned of peats. I got
it recycled, but.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I actually couldn't finish the haunted houses. I had just
sent them alone.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I still have scars from your nails here.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, I still have takeikardia too from the scares.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well. Speaking of scares, and you just mentioned something really
cool about Halloween that may be earthlings. I didn't know
a lot about this. I had a lot of fun
researching about actually the origin of Halloween and where we
kind of get our traditions that we so with Halloween from. Okay,
would you like to hear I would love to all right, great.
So it traces back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhein,
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marking the end of the harvest season and the beginning
of the winter. Over time, it merged with the Christian
holiday of All Saints Day, creating the Halloween we know today.
Here are some juicy and very spooky, ooky details. Every
recorded civilization has created some form of ritual observance focused
on what happens to people when they die, where they go,
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and how the living should best honor those who have
passed on or respond to the dead who seem unwilling
to move on. Countries all around the world today celebrate
Halloween in one form or another. As we know, in
Mexico they have the Day of the Dead. In China
they have tombs. Sweeping day does not sound as fun,
I'll tell you that. And of course, the modern day
observance of Halloween. According to National Geographic Ancient Irish and
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Scottish people believe that the veil grew thin every year
on November first, allowing demons as well as the dead
to roam the earth. Here's where we start getting spooky. Now.
They started to say, playing offerings and lighting bonfires or
bonefires right for spirits. The Celts dressed up as the dead,
hoping to blend in with real demons and then therefore
be able to avoid them and not have to have
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spiritual confrontation with these people who were walking around in
this thin, veiled time. Right now, I bet you're wondering
about trick or treating. Okay, well, trick or treating dates
back to the Middle Ages, when people would go door
to door asking for food in exchange for prayers for
the dead. Around this time this evolved into children because
they're like, we're not doing this anymore, so then they
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sent the kids to do it. But then they sent
them to do it asking for candy to entertain the ghosts, right,
and things like that. Now fast forward to the seventh century,
the Catholic Church was in the business of converting pagan
holidays into God fearing ones. They turned the Celts demon
dress up party into All Saints Day, moving their celebration
of the Church of Heavenly Saints November first. During the
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pope's reign, it was called All Hallows are hollow Mens,
with hollow meaning holy. By the early eleventh century, the
Church had also designated November two as All Souls Day,
an occasion on which to honor the dead that are
waiting in purgatory before being sent to heaven. Now back
in Scotland and Ireland, kids were doing something similar, but
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in costume. Hello. They visited households promising not love prayer Scots,
I really do, and they're not giving you prayers guys
or giving you entertainment. They would put on a disguise
and bring talent door to door, like singing or poetry
in exchange for treats. So you have a good out there.
Now you ain't got to do shit.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You got.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well. So yeah, so that's that's how it happened. But
the trick or treating that we understand now actually came
to be more in the nineteen twenties and thirties. So
we were observing these kinds of things. And I love that.
So all of these things, Yeah, that is so interesting.
Little trivia on Halloween, trick or treating for you, that is.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That is so incredible. And I also love how when
you talk about our Latin culture, things change a little bit.
And I've prepared a couple of a couple of tidbits.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Oh please.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So you touched it a little bit on November first,
November second, and I mentioned to you briefly that that
was Day of the Dead and Halloween. So sorry in Mexico,
so let's start there. Okay, theos it celebrated November first
and second in countries like Mexico, parts of Central America,
and this holiday blends pre Colombian traditions with Catholicism. Families
create altars or offerindas, decorate with marigolds, candles, sugar, skulls, photos,
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and the favorite foods of the deceased, honoring their loved
ones who have passed away, which I personally really love that,
and I wish that the American culture would kind of
like add some more of that real.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Deep meaning to what we do on Halloween.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
They also do grave site visits, so on those two
days families will clean and decorate graves, bringing offerings and
often spending the night celebrating the lives of the dead
with music, food and prayer. In Al Salvador, it's called
La ca Labuisa, held on November first in forgive me
if I mispronounced this Dona got e beke. Participants stress
as skeletons, mythological creatures or figures from indigenous legends, and
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per raid with lantern.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Lit pumpkins sounds familia.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
This festival merges indigenous customs with modern Halloween like elements,
celebrating the connection between life and death. Moving on to Bolivia,
we have Fieta Natitas, celebrated November eighth. People venerate nyatitas,
or human skulls, which are believed to offer protection and
fulfill wishes. Families decorate the skulls with flowers and offerings,
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bringing them to the cemetery for blessings and honoring the dead.
La Fieta dorlos Santos. In Guatemala, November one celebrates All
Saint's Day, as you mentioned, where families fly giant kites
to communicate with the spirits of the dead, guiding them
back to the living world. Graves are cleaned and adorned
with food offerings.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
There they go again. They're so polite to.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Their to their ancestors with food offerings, and families come
together for feasts to honor the deceased.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Then there's, of.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Course, you know, the adoption of Halloween traditions as you
mentioned so in urban areas of Latin America like Mexico, Columbia, Giladhindina,
et cetera, or the Brujas has gained popularity, with children
addressing and costumes and trigger treating just like we do
over here, while adults attend Halloween parties.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I don't know what they're doing about those.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
These celebrations often co exist with Day of the Dead
customs blending US Halloween traditions with local spiritual practices a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I like that, thank you. I know, well, now that
we've learned a little bit about Halloween, why don't we
do a few quick little trivia facts about Halloween?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Okay, tell me and then hell, okay, no, we won't.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Grim storm.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You know what's so funny about them, like really hilarious
is your obsession with Halloween has in no way, shape
or form any coincidence with who you are actually are
as an individual.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I don't really know what that means. You're a scaredy cat?
What you're such a saturdy game? Yes, I was. I
walk through the through the haunted houses, literally cracking up
in the front every time, loving it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
No, because in some weird way that's on brand for you.
But when it comes to like real fear, you know,
like if I hide behind a door and I spook you,
the first thing you do is like dive for the floor.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
No, that's just called fight or flight. That's called if
something happens and the clown from Terrifier comes after us,
I quick down, clown and roll. That works for Demon's monsters, clowns,
all of that stuff. I'm small with my five foot
two build. If I grate myself flat on the floor,
I'm just my surface here. I'm gonna disguise. If you're
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not gonna know I'm small, step right over me. Oh
they're gonna they're like coming with a knife, like this
poor thing she's on the floor. I'm just smart and
you're jealous. So anyway, I will leave it at that. Yeah,
thank you. Okay, So a little bit of hoddeling trivia,
we move deeper into the land of the scare and
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spooky mysterious. Okay, did you know that the first jack
of lanterns were actually made from turnips and not pumpkins? Huh,
animal cross I didn't know that, Oh my god. Okay,
here's another spooky fact. In medieval Britain in Ireland, people
would carry these turnip lanterns to ward off the evil
spirits during that Samhein festival that we learned about. So
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it was a form of protection first. Okay, Now, just
a waste of money. What I thought the turnips would
ward off the evil spirits? Yeah, that was just a
waste of money and food. Okay. Next, some Hindophobia is
a word. What do you think it means? Fear of Halloween. Yes,
what would make you think that? I wonder? Okay, candy corn.
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You now our producer loves candy corn. This was for you.
The iconic Halloween treat was created in the eighteen eighties
and was originally called chicken feed, which is honestly more
like what it tastes like Guyst's.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And today all of the candy corn and circulation is
still the same candy corn from the eighteen eighties.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And you can tell any taste and if you light
it on fire, it'll burn like a candle. Shit, you
don't need cocking. Just melt that thing and put her
on your baseboard. Okay. Last one Halloween color is the
famous orange and black, and he guesses on where that
came from. No, okay, so, as I said, the changing
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of the seasons, right, the orange represents the fall harvest
and the black symbolizes darkness and death.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Interesting, So intentional humans are very creative.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I know. And then we have to go and ruin
it all ballads maybe y y and wear royalty free
costumes like Plumber from video game.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I very very cool, very cool stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yes, well, now that we talked about Halloween, I would
like to touch upon something that has nothing to do
with the holiday but is associated with it, which is
what you just said, being scared. Okay, yeah, because your
specialty good silence. First of all, I do the scaring.
The receiving of the scares is a repercussion which I
take like a badge of honor. But it's just part
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of my life, which you're gonna learn now. If it
is a part of your life, you may be more
susceptible to getting some pleasure out of being scared. Interesting,
So it's a kink you could say that. Boo, no, okay,
So why do we like to be scared as humans?
The psychology of fear if you will, all right, So
it's been fascinating people and scientists and other people, you know,
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people that do this for a living and spend their
time researching this kind of stuff for a long time,
and a lot of people have actually done a lot
of research on it. To put it simply, there is
a ner Oh boy, I can't say this word. Yeah
I can. There's a neuropsychological reason, boom bitch, along with
some other that we that we like this. So number
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one adrenaline. There's a reason why it's called an adrenaline junkie.
There's a reason why we as humans seek certain experiences
that release this in our body, because you know, it
does a lot of things physically to your body, but
it is a reaction to an exterior thing, right, So
the chemical process can create a sense of euphoria. Some
say that having a scary ghost experience or a frightening
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experience can be attributed to something like riding a roller coaster.
What we're doing is we're hijacking the natural fight or
flight response in our body and enjoying the benefits of
that because we perceive the environment to be realistically safe.
For example, you're in a haunted house. You don't think
you're actually gonna get stabbed or you're gonna die, or
the monsters they can't even touch you. But your body
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and your brain still associates that with fear. So you
have access to the adrenaline and the dopamine and all
these things without actually being in danger. So scary movies
and scary things or being scared is a shortcut.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I don't like scary movies. They have the lasting effects
on me. I don't know why you people like that stuff.
I'm totally I don't mean to yuck your yum, but
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yuckier yum is a great band name. Nobody steal it.
Somebody copyright it for us. All right. So as soon
as you recognize fear, you're amygdala goes to work. It
alerts your nervous system and it sets your body's fear
sensor into motion. Send mine to the floor. But it's
again a great thing also in not only the adrenaline, cortisol,
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and stress hormones play affect, which are not so great. Right.
So that's why some people may be like, I don't
really like this feeling, you know, like some people don't
like to go skydiving and things like that. Your blood
flall changes, your heart rate changes. I mean, it's it's
literally altering your body. The other thing is, just like
you said, personality type. There are some people who are
sensation seekers who like to who are rational. I'm not
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pointing fingers here, Okay, whatever you say. I feel people
do crazier things like skydive and we walk, we drive,
and like moving bombs every day. That's scarier than going
through an.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, but you have the false sense of control, you know,
behind the wheel. It's my virgal mood, speaking this like
I got.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
This, Yeah, you got this until a tree goes through
and to capitate to you. Oh that's not even the
car crash. See Okay. Anyway, the last of which, which
is I told you, is that in your formative years
of life, how people around you react and associate with
fear and scary things can actually follow you into your adulthood,
which could explain certain associations with scary things like me,
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look at my brother, look at my mom, like the
lineage of horror, they all love it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I remember we were in the middle of the hurricane
ones like that was scary enough. We had no power,
and your mom still thought that that was the perfect
opportunity to put on a pair of black wings and
go around and scare.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
All of us. Also, she literally found them. When we
say black wings, it's like black feathered like mood. Change
the powers out and she's like.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Like van healthy, dressed in all black so you couldn't
even see her.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah. So anyway, not to mention being around people that
are used to doing that, but the sense of community
that are associated with scary things. Usually when you're watching
a scary movie or you're going to a hot house
or you're having an experience. It's a communal thing. So
that's why I also a lot of people associated it.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I like to go for the test tube drinks. I
love the blood bag of Margarita's. I'm here for those
other than that, No, thank you, I'll hold the bags
a little.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Bit about why we wait, why or why not? We
may enjoy being scared.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Or it didn't work, but nice, try okay, so we can.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I try one more thing.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Scary, Sure, taxes very scary. Sod that second one is
even scarier. Climate change.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
That's very, very scary. That's a delayed reaction.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
But that's that's very scary. Don't don't keep going, yeah, yeah,
you made your point. I love this and this is
all great, and it's what makes this part of the
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year so much fun. But there are other parts about
this time that have a little bit more of a
deeper meaning. And uh, there are certain parts of the
shadows that people dip their toes in, as they should,
because you know, we exist on the physical plane. But
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I'm a believer of the spiritual plane, and I'm a
believer that maybe and maybe it's not just during this
time of year. There are times where we can access
the beyond, we can really thin that veil.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I also think that we can. I think that it's
something that you can work on, like specifically, you know,
people in my life that are intuitive or you know,
like often have that veil thinned no matter what, even
if it's not necessarily with the dead, but with other
elements of the universe that are in question that are
mysteries to us. Right, it's also a practice, you know,
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it's absolutely you can do things from my understanding, you know,
to tap into that, like it's all within us, but
a lot of us just ignore it, and the ones
of us that tap more into it and make it
a part of their life have more access to to
that kind of stuff. So we're here in outer space,
right we are.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I want to talk about a gentleman, oh, okay,
by the name of Jack Parsons. Jack Parsons was a
very interesting character who had something in common with us,
a love for space, but he had another side of
himself that I think that it finds its perfect place
in this conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Oh he was gay?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Wait was he? Now?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Okay, we're going to dive into the life of a
man whose contributions to both science and the mystical arts
continues to echo today. Oh He was an American rocket
engineer and a chemist born in nineteen fourteen, and although
his name might not be as well known as other
pioneers of space exploration, his story is as fascinating as
it is mysterious. See Jack Parsons was a brilliant mind
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in the field of rocket science in the nineteen forties.
He actually co founded NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, so he
essentially helped develop the rocket fuel that we used today
to go up into space. But while his scientific achievements
were groundbreaking, it's his deep involvement with the occult that
sets him apart from other figures history. Parsons was a
devoted practitioner of Thelema, a spiritual philosophy created by the
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infamous occultist Alistair Crowley. A little bit about Alistair Crowley.
He wrote The Magic and Theory in Practice, which laid
the groundwork for many modern occult practices. And he was
also on the cover of the Beatles Saint Sergeant Pepper's
Lonely Hearts culp Who.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, everybody knows that album cover that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Exactly the core belief of Filma is that everyone has
a true will, a higher purpose in life, and that
understanding and aligning with it is key to unlocking one's
true potential. For Parsons, that wasn't just a theory, It
was his guiding principle. He believed that magic and science
were not separate, but intertwined paths towards understanding the universe.
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He once said, magic is the art and science of
causing change to occur in conformity with will, and he
practiced what he preached. One of his most ambitious occult
undertakings was known as the Babylon workingnineteen forty six, Parsons,
along with l Ron Hubbard, who would be the founder
of Scientology, embarked on a series of complex rituals to
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summon the goddess Babylon, an archetype of divine feminine power, love,
and liberation. According to Thalamic beliefs, Babylon's arrival would herald
a new era for humanity where spiritual enlightenment and freedom
would flourish. Parsons's dedication to this ritual wasn't just an experiment,
It was a profound spiritual quest. He believed on the
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rituals success, particularly after meeting Marjorie Cameron, a woman he
believed to be the physical manifestation of Babylon herself. For Parsons,
this was not a coincidence. It was a manifestation of
his magical will in action. But while his occult work
brought him spiritual insight, his perfsonal life began to unravel.
His partnership with Hubbard entered in betrayal, where Hubbard left
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part with Parsons money, and his romantic partner. Despite this,
he remained undeterred, continuing both his magical practices and his
work in rocket science. Life came to a tragic end
of nineteen fifty two, when an explosion in his home
laboratory killed him.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Officially, it was ruled.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
An accident, but many believe there was more at play.
Some speculate that his death may have been connected to
the dangerous materials he was working with, while others suggest
it could have been a result of his occult activities
and unfinished ritual or energy's too powerful to control. That's scary,
isn't that?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Or maybe the explosion happened and your time travels it's
another dimension. I don't know about all that. That's a stretch,
But I do love that.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
A man of science to that degree understands and sees
the value of the mystical side of things. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I think that's very cool. Yeah yeah. I mean there
are a lot of people that have worked for NASA
that also, you know, have come out years after and
talked about things that they shouldn't have that go on. Oh.
I was like, what are you trying to say here? No,
I'm not about like, oh yeah, like they've seen aliens
and things like that. And obviously he's been written off
because cause they're like, oh, yeah, it's just this old crazy guy.
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But when they're ten fifteen quote unquote old crazy guys, Yeah, exactly.
It's not a coincidence.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Speaking of ooho wija boards, oh wi scary, and I
feel the same way when you just say wijiab boards.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I don't know if it's because I.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Grew up in a household where my mom was like,
I don't watch them. Well that wasn't always the case,
And I'm going to tell you a little bit about it.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Please do as long as you don't bring one in here.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So the wichaboard it was originally designed in the late
nineteenth century during the height of the spiritualist movement, where
the wichaboard wasn't just a parlor game but a tool
for contacting the dead. And I actually have a little
side note story about this where my sister did it
and the end result was not a was not enjoyable. Yeah, Spiritualism,
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which swept through Europe and America, focused on communicating with
spirits and lost loved ones. The Wija board became a
favored tool in this pursuit.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
How does it work?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
The board features letters, numbers, and a planned chet, which
the tool that the participants place their finger on and
it moves. While some consider it a game, many occult
practitioners believe that unseen forces, not the users themselves, move
the plan chet, creating a bridge between the physical world
and the spiritual realm. Despite its commercialization, because I've literally
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seen this in target, the wichaboard quickly gained a reputation
in occult circles for its potential to open portals to
the spirit world. Experienced practitioners approached the board with caution,
understanding that it might summon forces beyond their control. Particularly
after World War One, grieving families turned to the Wisier
board to contact lost loved ones. Many began to report
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terrifying encounters, suggesting they had summoned malevolent spirits or entities
much older and darker than the people they intended to reach.
There's a belief in the occult community that using the
wige aboard improperly without formally saying goodbye, can leave spiritual
portals open, allowing spirits or other entities to enter the
physical world. Because once the door is open, it's not
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always going to be closed. Many stories tell the spirits
that remained in homes, causing disturbances long after the session,
and there's one particular famous paranormal encounter with the wigiab board.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's the story of Patience Worth.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
In nineteen thirteen, a Saint Louis woman named Pearl Kurran
claimed that she had made contact with a spirit named
Patience Worth through a wijiaboard. Patience introduced herself as a
seventeenth century woman from England, but what followed was far
more than typical wijiaboard messages. Over several years, patients allegedly
dictated novels, poems, and plays through Kuran, often in language
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and writing styles far beyond Pearl's education.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Mini how long must that have taken letter by letter years?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Oh got it?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Interesting and did think about that. Some of these writings
were published in praise for their historical accuracy and literary equality,
which further mystified scholars as skeptics. Pearl Kurran became sort
of a medium for patients, transcribing her words directly from
the board, leading many to believe that Patients was using
the Wija board as a direct portal to communicate long
after her death. However, this connection raised deeper concerns with
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occult circles. The prolonged contact of the spirit was unusual
and unsettling, leading some to question if Patience Worth was
truly the spirit of a seventeenth century woman or something
more deceptive. There were suspicions that the entity might have
been pretending to be patients annon, where malevolent spirits pose
as harmless or helpful figures to gain trust. Peerl maintained
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contact with patients for decades, but many spiritualists warned against
such long term communication, believing it could lead to psychic
dependence or spiritual attachment, where the spirit refuses to leave,
tethering itself to the medium's energy. While some considered the
Patient's worth case a paranormal breakthrough. Others viewed it as
a cautionary tale of the risks involved when opening one's
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self up to the unseen forces.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Of the wig aboard.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
In the world of the occult, using the wige aboard
is not taken lightly. Opiration protection and proper rituals are
crucial to avoid attracting negative entities. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Oh yeah, she was named patients for a reason because
the spiritual.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Patience was her little book except decades, so it might
have been long weeks later.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Finally I've got three sentences.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Oh joy, Wow, that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Somebody got me one once. Then like one night we
like try to We're like whever we tried it. I've
never touched the kids, you know, that's my that's my king.
I'll tabble and other things. I won't touch it much.
Be where I hear that voice remord Yeah, maybe or
other reasons. Maybe it's something else. She's obsessed. Brimstone Brimstone
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
All of that stuff today, all of the candy corn
and circulation is still the same candy corn from the
eighteen eighties.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
And you can tell me the taste, and if you
light it on fire, it'll burn like a candle. Trick
or treating dates back to the Middle Ages, when people
would go door to door asking for food in exchange
for prayers for the dead. Around this time, they also.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Do grap site visits, so on those two days, families
will clean and decorate graves, bringing offerings and often spending
the night celebrating the lads of the dead with music,
food and prayers.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
And wear royalty free costumes like Plummer from video games.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Launch Welcome Earth Beams Ethereal Beings to a special all
halosy edition of In our Own World, The Spirit of Halloween.
We're starting off by diving into the origins of this
mystical holiday, how it began, the traditions it grew from,
and the ancient rituals.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
That still linger in the shadows.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Today and later, we have a very special guest joining us,
someone who's connection to the spiritual realm runs deep. This
person has spent years mastering an ancient art that many
of us are curious about, and tonight they're gonna help
us unlock some of its deepest mysteries. Stick around to
find out who the guest is. And let's just say,
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if you've ever wondered what the cards have to reveal,
you won't want to miss this.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Woo Welcome Earth Things first official Scarce Spook right day
in auto space for us to you. Oh wow, thunder Lightning, Dracula.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Obviously, this is M's favorite holiday. I don't know if
anybody could tell. Might just be a meme, though it
really is.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I feel like that's always something between us because I
love scary things here around. I likes it no day around.
That's not true.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
No, nothing don't speak for me. I actually really enjoy Halloween.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, you like like ominions, Halloween Transylvate, you know, like
cartoons and.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Stuff you don okay, Stone, you're talking about the movies
that I like to enjoy. I like Tim Burton Halloween
movie wise, Halloween Wise. I enjoy the whole holiday, and
I actually enjoy the real holiday because I love the
occult and I love spirituality. So if anything, I think
I like Halloween better than you do.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Tell that to you. A year ago, when in our
own world went to Halloween horn night, who wants to
be Scared had to be cleaned of peats. I got
it recycled, but.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
I actually couldn't finish the haunted houses. I had just
sent them alone.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
I still have scars from your nails here.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, I still have takeikardia too from the scares.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Well. Speaking of scares, and you just mentioned something really
cool about Halloween that may be earthlings. I didn't know
a lot about this. I had a lot of fun
researching about actually the origin of Halloween and where we
kind of get our traditions that we so with Halloween from. Okay,
would you like to hear I would love to all right, great.
So it traces back to the ancient Celtic festival of Samhein,
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marking the end of the harvest season and the beginning
of the winter. Over time, it merged with the Christian
holiday of All Saints Day, creating the Halloween we know today.
Here are some juicy and very spooky, ooky details. Every
recorded civilization has created some form of ritual observance focused
on what happens to people when they die, where they go,
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and how the living should best honor those who have
passed on or respond to the dead who seem unwilling
to move on. Countries all around the world today celebrate
Halloween in one form or another. As we know, in
Mexico they have the Day of the Dead. In China
they have tombs. Sweeping day does not sound as fun,
I'll tell you that. And of course, the modern day
observance of Halloween. According to National Geographic Ancient Irish and
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Scottish people believe that the veil grew thin every year
on November first, allowing demons as well as the dead
to roam the earth. Here's where we start getting spooky. Now.
They started to say, playing offerings and lighting bonfires or
bonefires right for spirits. The Celts dressed up as the dead,
hoping to blend in with real demons and then therefore
be able to avoid them and not have to have
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spiritual confrontation with these people who were walking around in
this thin, veiled time. Right now, I bet you're wondering
about trick or treating. Okay, well, trick or treating dates
back to the Middle Ages, when people would go door
to door asking for food in exchange for prayers for
the dead. Around this time this evolved into children because
they're like, we're not doing this anymore, so then they
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sent the kids to do it. But then they sent
them to do it asking for candy to entertain the ghosts, right,
and things like that. Now fast forward to the seventh century,
the Catholic Church was in the business of converting pagan
holidays into God fearing ones. They turned the Celts demon
dress up party into All Saints Day, moving their celebration
of the Church of Heavenly Saints November first. During the
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pope's reign, it was called All Hallows are hollow Mens,
with hollow meaning holy. By the early eleventh century, the
Church had also designated November two as All Souls Day,
an occasion on which to honor the dead that are
waiting in purgatory before being sent to heaven. Now back
in Scotland and Ireland, kids were doing something similar, but
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in costume. Hello. They visited households promising not love prayer Scots,
I really do, and they're not giving you prayers guys
or giving you entertainment. They would put on a disguise
and bring talent door to door, like singing or poetry
in exchange for treats. So you have a good out there.
Now you ain't got to do shit.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
You got.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well. So yeah, so that's that's how it happened. But
the trick or treating that we understand now actually came
to be more in the nineteen twenties and thirties. So
we were observing these kinds of things. And I love that.
So all of these things, Yeah, that is so interesting.
Little trivia on Halloween, trick or treating for you, that is.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That is so incredible. And I also love how when
you talk about our Latin culture, things change a little bit.
And I've prepared a couple of a couple of tidbits.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Oh please.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
So you touched it a little bit on November first,
November second, and I mentioned to you briefly that that
was Day of the Dead and Halloween. So sorry in Mexico,
so let's start there. Okay, theos it celebrated November first
and second in countries like Mexico, parts of Central America,
and this holiday blends pre Colombian traditions with Catholicism. Families
create altars or offerindas, decorate with marigolds, candles, sugar, skulls, photos,
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and the favorite foods of the deceased, honoring their loved
ones who have passed away, which I personally really love that,
and I wish that the American culture would kind of
like add some more of that real.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Deep meaning to what we do on Halloween.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
They also do grave site visits, so on those two
days families will clean and decorate graves, bringing offerings and
often spending the night celebrating the lives of the dead
with music, food and prayer. In Al Salvador, it's called
La ca Labuisa, held on November first in forgive me
if I mispronounced this Dona got e beke. Participants stress
as skeletons, mythological creatures or figures from indigenous legends, and
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per raid with lantern.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Lit pumpkins sounds familia.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
This festival merges indigenous customs with modern Halloween like elements,
celebrating the connection between life and death. Moving on to Bolivia,
we have Fieta Natitas, celebrated November eighth. People venerate nyatitas,
or human skulls, which are believed to offer protection and
fulfill wishes. Families decorate the skulls with flowers and offerings,
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bringing them to the cemetery for blessings and honoring the dead.
La Fieta dorlos Santos. In Guatemala, November one celebrates All
Saint's Day, as you mentioned, where families fly giant kites
to communicate with the spirits of the dead, guiding them
back to the living world. Graves are cleaned and adorned
with food offerings.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
There they go again. They're so polite to.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Their to their ancestors with food offerings, and families come
together for feasts to honor the deceased.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Then there's, of.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Course, you know, the adoption of Halloween traditions as you
mentioned so in urban areas of Latin America like Mexico, Columbia, Giladhindina,
et cetera, or the Brujas has gained popularity, with children
addressing and costumes and trigger treating just like we do
over here, while adults attend Halloween parties.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I don't know what they're doing about those.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
These celebrations often co exist with Day of the Dead
customs blending US Halloween traditions with local spiritual practices a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I like that, thank you. I know, well, now that
we've learned a little bit about Halloween, why don't we
do a few quick little trivia facts about Halloween?
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Okay, tell me and then hell, okay, no, we won't.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Grim storm.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
You know what's so funny about them, like really hilarious
is your obsession with Halloween has in no way, shape
or form any coincidence with who you are actually are
as an individual.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I don't really know what that means. You're a scaredy cat?
What you're such a saturdy game? Yes, I was. I
walk through the through the haunted houses, literally cracking up
in the front every time, loving it.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
No, because in some weird way that's on brand for you.
But when it comes to like real fear, you know,
like if I hide behind a door and I spook you,
the first thing you do is like dive for the floor.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
No, that's just called fight or flight. That's called if
something happens and the clown from Terrifier comes after us,
I quick down, clown and roll. That works for Demon's monsters, clowns,
all of that stuff. I'm small with my five foot
two build. If I grate myself flat on the floor,
I'm just my surface here. I'm gonna disguise. If you're
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not gonna know I'm small, step right over me. Oh
they're gonna they're like coming with a knife, like this
poor thing she's on the floor. I'm just smart and
you're jealous. So anyway, I will leave it at that. Yeah,
thank you. Okay, So a little bit of hoddeling trivia,
we move deeper into the land of the scare and
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spooky mysterious. Okay, did you know that the first jack
of lanterns were actually made from turnips and not pumpkins? Huh,
animal cross I didn't know that, Oh my god. Okay,
here's another spooky fact. In medieval Britain in Ireland, people
would carry these turnip lanterns to ward off the evil
spirits during that Samhein festival that we learned about. So
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it was a form of protection first. Okay, Now, just
a waste of money. What I thought the turnips would
ward off the evil spirits? Yeah, that was just a
waste of money and food. Okay. Next, some Hindophobia is
a word. What do you think it means? Fear of Halloween. Yes,
what would make you think that? I wonder? Okay, candy corn.
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You now our producer loves candy corn. This was for you.
The iconic Halloween treat was created in the eighteen eighties
and was originally called chicken feed, which is honestly more
like what it tastes like Guyst's.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
And today all of the candy corn and circulation is
still the same candy corn from the eighteen eighties.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And you can tell any taste and if you light
it on fire, it'll burn like a candle. Shit, you
don't need cocking. Just melt that thing and put her
on your baseboard. Okay. Last one Halloween color is the
famous orange and black, and he guesses on where that
came from. No, okay, so, as I said, the changing
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of the seasons, right, the orange represents the fall harvest
and the black symbolizes darkness and death.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Interesting, So intentional humans are very creative.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I know. And then we have to go and ruin
it all ballads maybe y y and wear royalty free
costumes like Plumber from video game.
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I very very cool, very cool stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yes, well, now that we talked about Halloween, I would
like to touch upon something that has nothing to do
with the holiday but is associated with it, which is
what you just said, being scared. Okay, yeah, because your
specialty good silence. First of all, I do the scaring.
The receiving of the scares is a repercussion which I
take like a badge of honor. But it's just part
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of my life, which you're gonna learn now. If it
is a part of your life, you may be more
susceptible to getting some pleasure out of being scared. Interesting,
So it's a kink you could say that. Boo, no, okay,
So why do we like to be scared as humans?
The psychology of fear if you will, all right, So
it's been fascinating people and scientists and other people, you know,
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people that do this for a living and spend their
time researching this kind of stuff for a long time,
and a lot of people have actually done a lot
of research on it. To put it simply, there is
a ner Oh boy, I can't say this word. Yeah
I can. There's a neuropsychological reason, boom bitch, along with
some other that we that we like this. So number
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one adrenaline. There's a reason why it's called an adrenaline junkie.
There's a reason why we as humans seek certain experiences
that release this in our body, because you know, it
does a lot of things physically to your body, but
it is a reaction to an exterior thing, right, So
the chemical process can create a sense of euphoria. Some
say that having a scary ghost experience or a frightening
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experience can be attributed to something like riding a roller coaster.
What we're doing is we're hijacking the natural fight or
flight response in our body and enjoying the benefits of
that because we perceive the environment to be realistically safe.
For example, you're in a haunted house. You don't think
you're actually gonna get stabbed or you're gonna die, or
the monsters they can't even touch you. But your body
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and your brain still associates that with fear. So you
have access to the adrenaline and the dopamine and all
these things without actually being in danger. So scary movies
and scary things or being scared is a shortcut.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
I don't like scary movies. They have the lasting effects
on me. I don't know why you people like that stuff.
I'm totally I don't mean to yuck your yum, but
I don't get it.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yuckier yum is a great band name. Nobody steal it.
Somebody copyright it for us. All right. So as soon
as you recognize fear, you're amygdala goes to work. It
alerts your nervous system and it sets your body's fear
sensor into motion. Send mine to the floor. But it's
again a great thing also in not only the adrenaline, cortisol,
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and stress hormones play affect, which are not so great. Right.
So that's why some people may be like, I don't
really like this feeling, you know, like some people don't
like to go skydiving and things like that. Your blood
flall changes, your heart rate changes. I mean, it's it's
literally altering your body. The other thing is, just like
you said, personality type. There are some people who are
sensation seekers who like to who are rational. I'm not
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pointing fingers here, Okay, whatever you say. I feel people
do crazier things like skydive and we walk, we drive,
and like moving bombs every day. That's scarier than going
through an.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah, but you have the false sense of control, you know,
behind the wheel. It's my virgal mood, speaking this like
I got.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
This, Yeah, you got this until a tree goes through
and to capitate to you. Oh that's not even the
car crash. See Okay. Anyway, the last of which, which
is I told you, is that in your formative years
of life, how people around you react and associate with
fear and scary things can actually follow you into your adulthood,
which could explain certain associations with scary things like me,
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look at my brother, look at my mom, like the
lineage of horror, they all love it.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
I remember we were in the middle of the hurricane
ones like that was scary enough. We had no power,
and your mom still thought that that was the perfect
opportunity to put on a pair of black wings and
go around and scare.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
All of us. Also, she literally found them. When we
say black wings, it's like black feathered like mood. Change
the powers out and she's like.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Like van healthy, dressed in all black so you couldn't
even see her.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah. So anyway, not to mention being around people that
are used to doing that, but the sense of community
that are associated with scary things. Usually when you're watching
a scary movie or you're going to a hot house
or you're having an experience. It's a communal thing. So
that's why I also a lot of people associated it.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
I like to go for the test tube drinks. I
love the blood bag of Margarita's. I'm here for those
other than that, No, thank you, I'll hold the bags
a little.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Bit about why we wait, why or why not? We
may enjoy being scared.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Or it didn't work, but nice, try okay, so we can.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
I try one more thing.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Scary, Sure, taxes very scary. Sod that second one is
even scarier. Climate change.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
That's very, very scary. That's a delayed reaction.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
But that's that's very scary. Don't don't keep going, yeah, yeah,
you made your point. I love this and this is
all great, and it's what makes this part of the
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year so much fun. But there are other parts about
this time that have a little bit more of a
deeper meaning. And uh, there are certain parts of the
shadows that people dip their toes in, as they should,
because you know, we exist on the physical plane. But
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I'm a believer of the spiritual plane, and I'm a
believer that maybe and maybe it's not just during this
time of year. There are times where we can access
the beyond, we can really thin that veil.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
I also think that we can. I think that it's
something that you can work on, like specifically, you know,
people in my life that are intuitive or you know,
like often have that veil thinned no matter what, even
if it's not necessarily with the dead, but with other
elements of the universe that are in question that are
mysteries to us. Right, it's also a practice, you know,
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it's absolutely you can do things from my understanding, you know,
to tap into that, like it's all within us, but
a lot of us just ignore it, and the ones
of us that tap more into it and make it
a part of their life have more access to to
that kind of stuff. So we're here in outer space,
right we are.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I want to talk about a gentleman, oh, okay,
by the name of Jack Parsons. Jack Parsons was a
very interesting character who had something in common with us,
a love for space, but he had another side of
himself that I think that it finds its perfect place
in this conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Oh he was gay?
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Wait was he? Now?
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Okay, we're going to dive into the life of a
man whose contributions to both science and the mystical arts
continues to echo today. Oh He was an American rocket
engineer and a chemist born in nineteen fourteen, and although
his name might not be as well known as other
pioneers of space exploration, his story is as fascinating as
it is mysterious. See Jack Parsons was a brilliant mind
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in the field of rocket science in the nineteen forties.
He actually co founded NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, so he
essentially helped develop the rocket fuel that we used today
to go up into space. But while his scientific achievements
were groundbreaking, it's his deep involvement with the occult that
sets him apart from other figures history. Parsons was a
devoted practitioner of Thelema, a spiritual philosophy created by the
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infamous occultist Alistair Crowley. A little bit about Alistair Crowley.
He wrote The Magic and Theory in Practice, which laid
the groundwork for many modern occult practices. And he was
also on the cover of the Beatles Saint Sergeant Pepper's
Lonely Hearts culp Who.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah, everybody knows that album cover that's amazing.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Exactly the core belief of Filma is that everyone has
a true will, a higher purpose in life, and that
understanding and aligning with it is key to unlocking one's
true potential. For Parsons, that wasn't just a theory, It
was his guiding principle. He believed that magic and science
were not separate, but intertwined paths towards understanding the universe.
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He once said, magic is the art and science of
causing change to occur in conformity with will, and he
practiced what he preached. One of his most ambitious occult
undertakings was known as the Babylon workingnineteen forty six, Parsons,
along with l Ron Hubbard, who would be the founder
of Scientology, embarked on a series of complex rituals to
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summon the goddess Babylon, an archetype of divine feminine power, love,
and liberation. According to Thalamic beliefs, Babylon's arrival would herald
a new era for humanity where spiritual enlightenment and freedom
would flourish. Parsons's dedication to this ritual wasn't just an experiment,
It was a profound spiritual quest. He believed on the
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rituals success, particularly after meeting Marjorie Cameron, a woman he
believed to be the physical manifestation of Babylon herself. For Parsons,
this was not a coincidence. It was a manifestation of
his magical will in action. But while his occult work
brought him spiritual insight, his perfsonal life began to unravel.
His partnership with Hubbard entered in betrayal, where Hubbard left
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part with Parsons money, and his romantic partner. Despite this,
he remained undeterred, continuing both his magical practices and his
work in rocket science. Life came to a tragic end
of nineteen fifty two, when an explosion in his home
laboratory killed him.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Officially, it was ruled.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
An accident, but many believe there was more at play.
Some speculate that his death may have been connected to
the dangerous materials he was working with, while others suggest
it could have been a result of his occult activities
and unfinished ritual or energy's too powerful to control. That's scary,
isn't that?
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Or maybe the explosion happened and your time travels it's
another dimension. I don't know about all that. That's a stretch,
But I do love that.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
A man of science to that degree understands and sees
the value of the mystical side of things. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I think that's very cool. Yeah yeah. I mean there
are a lot of people that have worked for NASA
that also, you know, have come out years after and
talked about things that they shouldn't have that go on. Oh.
I was like, what are you trying to say here? No,
I'm not about like, oh yeah, like they've seen aliens
and things like that. And obviously he's been written off
because cause they're like, oh, yeah, it's just this old crazy guy.
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But when they're ten fifteen quote unquote old crazy guys, Yeah, exactly.
It's not a coincidence.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Speaking of ooho wija boards, oh wi scary, and I
feel the same way when you just say wijiab boards.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I don't know if it's because I.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
Grew up in a household where my mom was like,
I don't watch them. Well that wasn't always the case,
And I'm going to tell you a little bit about it.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Please do as long as you don't bring one in here.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
So the wichaboard it was originally designed in the late
nineteenth century during the height of the spiritualist movement, where
the wichaboard wasn't just a parlor game but a tool
for contacting the dead. And I actually have a little
side note story about this where my sister did it
and the end result was not a was not enjoyable. Yeah, Spiritualism,
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which swept through Europe and America, focused on communicating with
spirits and lost loved ones. The Wija board became a
favored tool in this pursuit.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
How does it work?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
The board features letters, numbers, and a planned chet, which
the tool that the participants place their finger on and
it moves. While some consider it a game, many occult
practitioners believe that unseen forces, not the users themselves, move
the plan chet, creating a bridge between the physical world
and the spiritual realm. Despite its commercialization, because I've literally
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seen this in target, the wichaboard quickly gained a reputation
in occult circles for its potential to open portals to
the spirit world. Experienced practitioners approached the board with caution,
understanding that it might summon forces beyond their control. Particularly
after World War One, grieving families turned to the Wisier
board to contact lost loved ones. Many began to report
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terrifying encounters, suggesting they had summoned malevolent spirits or entities
much older and darker than the people they intended to reach.
There's a belief in the occult community that using the
wige aboard improperly without formally saying goodbye, can leave spiritual
portals open, allowing spirits or other entities to enter the
physical world. Because once the door is open, it's not
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always going to be closed. Many stories tell the spirits
that remained in homes, causing disturbances long after the session,
and there's one particular famous paranormal encounter with the wigiab board.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's the story of Patience Worth.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
In nineteen thirteen, a Saint Louis woman named Pearl Kurran
claimed that she had made contact with a spirit named
Patience Worth through a wijiaboard. Patience introduced herself as a
seventeenth century woman from England, but what followed was far
more than typical wijiaboard messages. Over several years, patients allegedly
dictated novels, poems, and plays through Kuran, often in language
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and writing styles far beyond Pearl's education.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Mini how long must that have taken letter by letter years?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Oh got it?
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Interesting and did think about that. Some of these writings
were published in praise for their historical accuracy and literary equality,
which further mystified scholars as skeptics. Pearl Kurran became sort
of a medium for patients, transcribing her words directly from
the board, leading many to believe that Patients was using
the Wija board as a direct portal to communicate long
after her death. However, this connection raised deeper concerns with
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occult circles. The prolonged contact of the spirit was unusual
and unsettling, leading some to question if Patience Worth was
truly the spirit of a seventeenth century woman or something
more deceptive. There were suspicions that the entity might have
been pretending to be patients annon, where malevolent spirits pose
as harmless or helpful figures to gain trust. Peerl maintained
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contact with patients for decades, but many spiritualists warned against
such long term communication, believing it could lead to psychic
dependence or spiritual attachment, where the spirit refuses to leave,
tethering itself to the medium's energy. While some considered the
Patient's worth case a paranormal breakthrough. Others viewed it as
a cautionary tale of the risks involved when opening one's
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self up to the unseen forces.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Of the wig aboard.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
In the world of the occult, using the wige aboard
is not taken lightly. Opiration protection and proper rituals are
crucial to avoid attracting negative entities. You know.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Oh yeah, she was named patients for a reason because
the spiritual.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Patience was her little book except decades, so it might
have been long weeks later.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Finally I've got three sentences.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Oh joy, Wow, that's yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Somebody got me one once. Then like one night we
like try to We're like whever we tried it. I've
never touched the kids, you know, that's my that's my king.
I'll tabble and other things. I won't touch it much.
Be where I hear that voice remord Yeah, maybe or
other reasons. Maybe it's something else. She's obsessed. Brimstone Brimstone
(26:44):
Thunder Launch.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
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