13. Shuttle to Camp Gem

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I hate you the same. Let's go to man one
ready for launching.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Greetings are the things, Welcome to today's flight. I am here,
I am still queer, and I am exceptionally tired today.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
How do you feel we both are pretty dead beat?

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Yeah, we are drained, rinsed, burned, exhausted, bitten, all of it.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Oh so itchy, But I do feel good.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
We have been separated from society for a few days,
celebrating curb job.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Well, hardly, hardly any celebrating took place, but it wasn't
for lack of effort or lack of preparation.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Definitely not for lack of effort nor preparation.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
We really try to keep you guys on your toes
over here in our own world.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
You know, a samar.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
Episode one week and this disaster recap on this one.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
No, I don't think it was a disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
I remember, like, I love the fact that in my
life I feel like the craziest or like moments where
I've had the quote unquote worst experiences have actually been
the most memorable.

Speaker 3 (01:27):
Like one time we.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
Went skiing and somebody that was with us had an
incident on the tubing hill and ran into a pepsi machine.

Speaker 3 (01:35):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
No, No, it was terrible, and in the moment it
was actually quite frightening. But we recall it at least
once twice or thrice a year, so I'm sure cap
tim is going to be the same. But yeah, guys,
it was a very eventful camping trip. I did not
know exactly what I was in for.

Speaker 3 (01:52):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Well, to kind of give some backstory, you might have
heard in one of our more previous episodes that a
few years back, we kind of planned to do this
similar trip to the very same place, one of my
favorite places in the world, Ginny Springs.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
It's right here in Florida.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's a park to private park that has seven spring
systems that all feed out into the Santa Fe River,
and it is a beautiful, wondrous, magical place. But we
didn't get to go the first time that we planned
it because M's grandma felt very very ill, and we
just decided that it'd be better to stick around than

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to go somewhere five and a half hours away.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
So, I feel like I feel like you had like
the I feel like you had the longest preparation period.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
I feel like that was mistake one we had huge
expectations and build up. And you know, I think that
there were a lot of lessons on this so many yeah,
on this little trip, and one of them was no expectations.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
So we started at the beginning. I think that's a
perfect place to start.

Speaker 4 (03:05):
So Camp Gem really came about because I wanted to
do something a little bigger this year for my birthday.
Last year was kind of a dud for a lot
of reasons. And you know, us Leo's, we really like
to do our birthdays big. We feel like we really,
I mean, at least personally, I feel like I've earned
this year. Yeah, I've worked so hard for it that

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I deserve to party when it finally arrives.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
And I wanted.

Speaker 4 (03:34):
To go at first, Actually, I wanted to go on
a cruise. I don't know if I ever told you.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
That briefly maybe, Yeah, I remember talks about a cruise.
Oh no, not the summer cruise that we were taking
for your birthday. Yeah, for my birthday, got it.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Yeah, Originally I wanted to go on a cruise because
you know, it's a trip, and I knew I wanted
to do something that was a couple of days long,
and cruises have different rooms at different price points, so
I figured it was something that could appeal to multiple
kinds of people. Yeah, and then I thought, well, maybe
you know, some people maybe don't have their passports or

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maybe they don't have the funds. What's a trip we
could take that's closer and that I could help facilitate
more of so that people could spend less money for sure.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
And also, you know, assuming that everybody gets closer in
those kinds of experiences, it's bonding.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Yeah, I mean it was an honor and it actually
I think was born after recording one of the most
recent episodes where we mentioned camping that I've really you know,
stuck to the idea. Yeah, And so of course, Genny
Springs came to mind.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Why not take the people that you love to one
of the places that you love most.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
And I spent three days creating the camp Gym twenty
three dot com website.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
No, I will not give you the password, but trust me,
you wish.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
You wish you knew what it was because you know,
quite the website and and designing the branding, and making
bonus luggage tags, sending private invitations for.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
The campers, choosing up the counselors.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
There was extensive camp gem planning, which honestly, I really enjoyed.
Like I know that we're queuing it up, like if
this disastrous thing happened, but even this morning we.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Were talking, I mean it did. I did almost die.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, in retrospect, I guess I try to shut out
how serious it was because I thought I was gonna
lose you for a second there.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
I mean, I yeah, I don't, I don't even I
couldn't even say still what exactly it has happened to
my body? I just know that I've never in my
life felt something like that so far, thus far, I
feel like.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I told you this when we were there, and I
feel like I know from observing you and loving you,
like what happened to you, because I know you really well,
and even for your birthday. Like one of the things
that I said was I'm always watching you, not in
the creepy way, but in the sense that I feel
like I know your essence and loving way and a
loving way.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
And just like you mentioned, we were planning for so long,
and you had put in so much of your time
and your sleep, and you know we have to work
while all that is happening, and I think that for
a multitude of reasons, everything kind of built up to
that moment.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
But it was not fun and really bad here.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, I know that was that was. That was not
the highlight of the trip. But anyway, there was a
lot of prep that it went into it. Honestly, my
favorite part I bet you can guess of preparing for
Campgem was.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Oh my god, goody bags.

Speaker 4 (06:46):
Honestly, those goodie bags should go on a hall of
fame somewhere.

Speaker 3 (06:49):
Yeah, and shout out to five below, Shout.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Out to five below, shout out a tall trees, shout
out to my cricket, yeah, shout out to sticker paper yes,
shout out to resourcefulness, yes, and create. So we did
these little kid themed backpacks. Yeah, and everyone's name was
on it or nickname, nickname my nickname for them, right.

Speaker 3 (07:09):
My backpack said babe, Yeah, that's what I call you.
So I did put everybody's nickname on the backpack.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
And on the inside, I got those big tumblers with
the lid and the straw. Put their name on that too.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
And they were like three or four different packages inside,
like one was snacks, one was there was a Snackcare
of Yourself.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Fun kit, and a health.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
Kit and a health kit, and they each had little
stickers with the logo and branding for Campjam. You're still
not getting the passwords to the website and different you know,
things that you may need wrapped in plastic.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yes, so okay, so let's go through it. Okay. Uh
we had okay, we.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Had the care kit, yeah, which was like a self
care kit, which was inspired by our really great friends
Lex and Kels by their wedding shout out to them.
They had had a joint bachourette where they took us
all to a spaw and they had prepared these super
cute little spaw bags for us with these cute little
self care materials. So they really inspired a lot of

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the goodie bag. And it had some of the same
things like a nine mask, a face mask.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
Yeah. What else did it have? The care kit? It had, oh,
the lipstick, the chapstick.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, the chapstick that also had branding, yes, said chaptist stick.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
You went hard.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
You literally, I mean not that I'm surprised, you know,
you brand everything you do. But it was fun, like
we literally were peeling the stickers off of chapsticks and
putting our own. I felt like a little Kylie Jenner
up in this bitch.

Speaker 4 (08:40):
My god, not Kylie Jenner, but definitely Kraft Mom, or
like I should be a party planner.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Martha Stewart work. No, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
I feel like Martha Stewart has somebody else pil chopsticks
for her. This was you and me up till like
too aals your chopsticks. Okay, so wait, wait, that's the
care kit. What's the other one?

Speaker 3 (09:01):
The HealthKit?

Speaker 4 (09:03):
The health The HealthKit was cute. Wait is that where
the chapstick was? Actually I think the chapstick was in
the HealthKit.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
They had of items.

Speaker 4 (09:11):
The HealthKit had a personal favorite, the mosquito stickers.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Those were cute. I don't think people used that. I
was about to say, I don't think I saw one.

Speaker 4 (09:19):
Mosquito Bianca, our friend Bianca. She put them one day,
probably the last day, on either shoulder.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
They're like little cute little stickers that are supposed to
rip out.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
I don't know if they worked out. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
A personal favorite in the health bag, I folded six
toilet seat covers.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Whose idea was that? Though? That's what it seat covers.
Was it yours?

Speaker 1 (09:46):
It was mine?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
It was really good. Thank you on this.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
I know wild out there putting their bare booties on
those bathrooms.

Speaker 3 (09:54):
I mean so did you though, No, I put toilet paper.
I didn't use these seat covers either exactly or the stickers.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Oh, I see where you're going with this. Okay, moving on,
well okay, so oh the snack kit.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
The snack kit was cute. Yeah. Basic. It was for
the you know, for the ride. They had a granola bar,
animal crackers. What else did it have? They had little
gummies in it. Yeah, and something. Oh, trail mix perfect
for camp that I.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Did see a few times. Yeah, the trail mix. The mix,
the trail mix in front, it's round appropriately.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
The fun kit was fun. Oh, the fun Kit was fun.
We'll leave it at that. The fun Kid had fun
things that you will not know about.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Oh, how can we forget the mini solo cup shot
glass with the wristband attached.

Speaker 3 (10:49):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, you know, like those red Solo cups. There are
like these extra large ones that you mentioned before, like
the tumblr you said tumblr, but that's sort of it
was like a solo cup tumbler. And then on there
were those you know, coil wristbands. Coil wristband, coil, right,
but it's coil, but isn't the sound of coil boil

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could be? It could also be just completely soundless. Okay, Well,
a coil wristband and it was attached to a tiny
little solo cup with your the first letter of your
name as well.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Yeah, fire, Yeah, it was. It was quite cute. If
I stay so myself, it was a.

Speaker 4 (11:32):
Yeah, that was probably my favorite part and might gonna
let you for at least in the preparation part of it. No, no, no,
I'm sorry. Also, when I discovered inflatable sofas.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
That was very cool.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Did you guys know.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
That intext this is not They don't pay me, They
didn't sponsor me, nor did they send me this. They
sell inflatable couches, which honestly, I feel like.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
Our couch is nicer than ours. I know that's it's
not funny. I was talking to somebody about today we
should inflate it. I know, like, no, we paid for
it already.

Speaker 4 (12:01):
So part of the camp Gem vibe was that I
wanted to create kind of a community, little city between us.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
So Em and I. We designed what was kind of
like a.

Speaker 4 (12:17):
Camping living room, which was really the tent that we
had bought, this twenty by ten canopy tent that we
had bought for my twenty fifth birthday.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
I remember we did the sleepover, yeah, because we did
camping indoors for a twenty fifth birthday. But no, it
was like it wasn't camping at all. It was just
a sleepover. It was a Yeah, it was a sleepover indoors,
but for whatever reason, we decided inside our house.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Not whatever reason a good one. It was meant to
mimic the fort a fort which was amazing.

Speaker 2 (12:46):
But I like, in retrospect seeing that canopy on the campground,
maybe there's no and thinking about that sleepover. I don't
think you realized we had twenty one people. I think
being inside the ten by inside of our house with
all of the like it was closed like it wasn't. Yeah,

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all the walls were down and we somehow fit everybody.
It was like one giant.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
Mattress had to play Tetris with the air mattress.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
It was amazing, That's what it was. It was really
fun though. That was a really fun birthday.

Speaker 4 (13:19):
But it made more sense in the woods I've realized
that in my adulthood, I've just given myself the birthdays
that I always wanted. Like I served your kid, Yeah,
when I was a kid, Like I served really bad,
great but really bad food that birthday.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Like coolly, it is like, okay, no, the food I
Campgime was popping.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
No you killed the No no no no. They fight
went fire, chill disappeared on the second day. We're going
to get back to that. But you see, like as
we go recounting.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
The experience, there are beautiful things about it, and there
are wonderful things.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
We definitely had some good laughs. Yeah, oh my god,
Oh my god. Amber kills Gem's sister. My sister is
she must go down?

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Okay, no, oh no, neither of us left Camp Gem.
She has at this point an undiagnosed gnarly bite that
has grown extensions practically antenna on its own and is
completely disculets clirt on her foot.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Do I have.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
I am, but I know I'm telling you And James
Jemps friend James was afraid of the bugs so much
that he spent the entire weekend in a hoodie pants
a long look. He wore a long sleeve and a hoodie,
put the hoodie over his head, sweatpants, socks.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
To hiss, he looks like he was in Colorado in
the dead of like autumn earth.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
He complained about the heatough which which literally concerns me.
I wonder if it was Pride see Bionic, But did
you see him sweat?

Speaker 3 (14:54):
I don't know you, right, James? Are you okay? Anyway?

Speaker 2 (14:59):
So it was like I said, like, yes, it was
disastrous and yourmal side. Sorry about that, but there are
amazing times. You said your favorite part. I'll tell you
my favorite part, and it was literally it was one of.

Speaker 3 (15:11):
My favorite parts of the preparation.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Of the preparation, well, my favorite moment of the prep
was that we had to print out multiple pictures of
Gem because we decided to have this game called Hidden Gems.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
The activities that we.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Printed out about twenty twenty five pictures of Gem and
laminated them.

Speaker 4 (15:31):
In all kinds of positions and agents, all kinds of faces.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
And the last day, while we were cleaning up camp,
we well that was the prep, but it also ended
up being my one of my favorite parts of camp.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
But we'll talk about that later.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
Yeah, I know you enjoyed prepping your activities. You spent
the entire last day on just the T shirts.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
Which everybody loves.

Speaker 4 (15:54):
Maybe we didn't give half the T shirts to the
people I did.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I don't know what you're talking about. James left in
his camp jump shirt. Dave burned it over the fires three.
I know I spent a little too much time on
the activities. But that's why I'm saying I wasn't prepared.
I wasn't I haven't been camping in a long time. Okay,
last time I was camping was in the Peace River
and I was a kid, and I guess a residents
like this. I mean, I don't remember. That's what I

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think that like, nothing that bothered me at all was
like the actual woods or the camping.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
That part was amazing. I can live in the woods.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
I kept saying that I was walking around barefoot, fucking
eating spiders. But I think it's more just like the
preparation and the dynamic of everybody being used to living
in a city or society and then having like very
different things to have to deal with, like for example,
zero service whatsoever, no GPS, which everybody knows season one

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named GPS dependent.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Okay, it's just like I didn't.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
For example, even just when we arrived and I had
to use the restroom, I got lost way back from
the bathroom.

Speaker 4 (17:01):
I was worried about that the whole time that you
were gonna we were gonna lose you. I mean you
didn't though, not really, no, but I kind of really
kind of.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
I mean there were moments.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Where I was like, oh shit, like everything looks the same.

Speaker 3 (17:12):
Especially at night because there's no lighting.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
Exactly.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
It's rough.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
I mean it's good though, Like it's like I had
to freaking figure it out.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
And by the last day.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
For you, that's the equivalent of like when parents throw
their kids into the pool to learn to swim.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
I was like, well, there's that tree.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Oh look tree, And then you know what, I'm sorry,
I have to say something.

Speaker 3 (17:36):
Everybody be getting their tents at Walmart.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Because everybody had the same damn tent, and literally I'm like, oh,
look there's christ God damn it. I would walk into
people's camp and be like, Hi, oh nope, not my people.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
How could you? How dare you confuse Camp cham with
anything else? I have a terrible sense.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
The prep was lit and then this was the this
was the way that the trip was kicked off, which
I think kind of set the precedent to what happened
to you. But Jem pulled an all nighter. And when
I say all nighter, like until you got in the
van to go to camp, you were awake, walking around
like a loon.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
You know. And it's it wasn't just that it was
an all nighter. It was an all nighter in a
week when I had already pulled an all nighter.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
I mean that was there too big.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Yes, but also a laborious all nighter because I didn't
stop moving, packing unpacking.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
I know, I slept two hours, so then I have
to drive six hours, which was not fun.

Speaker 4 (18:38):
No, but I literally didn't sleep a wink until Friday night.
From Wednesday, let's sleep right now, I know, just just
thinking about that, it's it was very exhausting because we
definitely took on.

Speaker 3 (18:58):
We better off way more than we could. Chewah, do
not sign.

Speaker 4 (19:02):
Up to cook fifteen people three meals for three days.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
I mean, shout out to Amber. She said it.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Like Amber and I when we were talking about the menu,
She's like, let's just go buy can pesto.

Speaker 3 (19:12):
Let's just call it a day. Peebe and J's all day,
which in retrospect, to be fair, the menu did come
off of what she inspired.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Well, we yes, But and by the way, I'll say
this again, the food was amazing, Like that's something people
will remember, Like, I mean, the things that you made
were fucking delicious, but they take hours to cook.

Speaker 4 (19:31):
And because of my exhaustion, two of the meals that
I had prepped in advance to help me, you know,
three of them actually, which was my kale salad, the
potato salad that I had never made potato salad before,
and it came out so good, and like how many
pounds of pigadio for taco night, I left them behind.

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Because that's the thing, is that when you push yourself,
when you push yourself so hard, even if you're somebody
like me who's like such a type of personality who
abuses and abuses her body constantly. And this is just
me being completely honest with you all. To achieve what
my crazy virgo moon compels me to aspire to, you

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can't help but lose some things on the way. Yeah,
we're not robots. No, you've got to listen to your body.
I tell you that all the time. I feel like
sometimes you.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Try to well, you always try to cater the best
experience for everybody and make it like perfect.

Speaker 3 (20:36):
I've heard you use the word.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Perfect too many times because it's just not sustainable and like,
this is just me loving you and being honest with you.
I think that that was one of the biggest things,
Like your expectations were way too high.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
I also I also, to be fair, I had a
lot more.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I had some promises oh yeah made to me and yeah,
well that's a whole other component that we learned a
lot about.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah, friendship.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
You know, I am going to go out and say it,
but I think it's a generational problem that we as millennials,
as gen z ers, for some reason, a lot of
us have lost complete value and respect for our own word.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Preach. Back before human.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Beings had contracts, our word was the only thing we had.
Anybody read The Crucible or even see the movie What
Are You Without your name? Your name is all you have,
Your word is all you have.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
It's just it's just crappy, like and you know, like
maybe technology has had an impact in that because it's
so easy to just like send a text and be
like JK, I can't take it. But like We literally
had probably half the camp confirm r s VP.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
And how do you do that?

Speaker 4 (21:53):
How do you confirm for a trip that somebody is
taking and driving?

Speaker 3 (21:59):
And then oh that's another thing.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Emily and I facilitated a van because we thought, okay, well,
how can we make this even easier for people? Well,
they probably won't want to drive the five and a
half hours, but some people might because I do have
artists friends who are creative that I know they're gonna
want to have nicer setups or maybe they have schedule
conflicts or whatever.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Which, by the way, the people that turned out turned out, Yeah,
that's true, you know you are so.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
So there was just a lot of planning that relied
on people's word.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, and a lot of time, a lot of money.
I'm not even going to bullshit.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Yeah, a lot of realney, real things that could not
be undone, things that I had worked on, sort of
working on a month ago.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, you were working on it for months, you were
talking about it for a while, and you also had
people during that time, you know, kind of make it
seem like they were gonna help facilitate what it really
took for it to be what it could have been.
But in retrospect, you know, I still think that we

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were just overshooting it all for sure, you know, I
take full Yeah, we were definitely overshooting at all. And
in that same breath, I still think that it's one
of the most memorable trips of my life.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
You know that makes me a very bad way.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
I promise you, I'm going to be talking about this
for the rest of my life.

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Yeah, And I think as time.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Passes, it'll just be one of those things that like
becomes a trinket on the those stories that human beings tell,
you know, like I feel like people have like a
Pandora Bracht, a charm bracelet of stories of their life
that kind of make them who they are, and this
will definitely be.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
One of mine. Well love that, Yeah, core memory, that's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
But yeah, the millennial thing and the letting down like
it's it's not acceptable.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
I mean you say it all the time. What would
happen before we would set a date to meet at
some place?

Speaker 3 (23:50):
I mean you had to show or or else what
I mean, I.

Speaker 4 (23:53):
Don't imagine that people would waste their time with you anymore.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
And also like being in the woods with no service
where it's like oh, I'm going to go do this,
and you can't just text and be like, hey, where
you at. Like if you say I'll be back in
fifteen minutes, you better be back in fifteen minutes or more.
I don't know what's going on, you know, And like
I think that there is a kind of beauty to that. Also,
I'm not telling you. You don't have to tell me

(24:20):
something that This is the thing that I think I've
learned as well, Like just don't say something you don't mean,
you know, like.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
If you don't over promise and under deliate.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Exactly, like if like I don't like, I don't have
a problem if you were like you know what, hate camping,
don't want to go, don't want you to spend the
money for me, hate groups? You know, right, whatever it is,
I would rather from the beginning you just give it
to me straight, because then we're cool, You communicate and
I can manage my expectations, right, but like for you

(24:50):
to be.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
But that's the thing, em is that I don't think
that we could have made it any easier. And this
is not to throw shade, but we really it's kind
of spelled it out rather clearly.

Speaker 3 (25:02):
I think that.

Speaker 4 (25:04):
We needed a confirmation for specific reasons, and confirm means confirm, you.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Know, just a communication thing.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
And like Jem said, it's like it's not a shade thing,
it's an accountability thing, you know, consideration thing, consideration thing,
and something that we also work hard in our friendships
is like actively saying these things to these people and
like drawing boundaries, you know, because.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
It's a difficult way to exist.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
In any kind of setting when people are promising things
and then acting like their word is nothing.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, it hurts me.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
I also feel like I catch myself doing it in
certain moments and I don't like that quality in myself,
and that's why it bothers me so much.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Well, I think it's natural sometimes as humans for us
to want to help or be of service or contry
tribute a certain amount and maybe not properly estimate.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
But why have we made it so easy to you know,
play Kate in the moment.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
That's what it is. I just clocked it.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
It's that we tried to like make it better in
the moment and think that you know, it's going to
resolve itself later, and it just gets worse and worse
and ruins relationships.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Yeah, I mean I think it's probably again, like you know,
the good intention of wanting to do more than maybe
you actually can, but also you know, a little bit
of a lack of self awareness.

Speaker 3 (26:38):
Yeah, I think it's accountability more than anything, for sure,
after the fact, at least for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:44):
But yeah, so we definitely had some disappointment in the
showing up department. But I will say the people who
did show up, like, wow, you know, I see them.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
I hope that's a really great effort to show us.

Speaker 2 (26:58):
Yeah, and I hope that you I mean, I know
that you see but from my perspective, like how loved
you are and how the people who turn out for
you and the ways they turn out is special. And
by the way, I'm not saying that everybody has to
be like that in your life, no, you know, I
just think that when you have certain experiences, especially ones

(27:21):
that are scary, right, you really see who love love
loves you. Like I've in I feel like in some
of the darkest moments, that's when I've gotten closest to people.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Oh for sure, you know what I mean. And it
shows you who your friends are.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, it shows you who your friends are and also
just you know what you want for your life and
and also how to communicate with your friends, right, Like,
speaking for myself, I have that issue, like I'll be
upset about the way that someone's acting, you know, Like
there were a couple times on the trip I lost
my shit and I was out of pocket. Yes, and
I and I shouldn't have been. Granted, I was upset

(27:59):
for the right reasons. Yeah, I was frustrated completely, but
my behavior was inappropriate, and you know, like, and that.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
Always sucks because you deserve to be heard and listen
no matter what. Yeah, but you did have a really
valid point, like an especially valid one, and unfortunately the
point was clouded.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
Yeah, by my frustration, which is exactly tired.

Speaker 3 (28:27):
That's what I'm about to say.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
When you don't sleep, when you don't listen to your body,
when you don't fill your cup, when you're not eating.

Speaker 3 (28:33):
When you don't fill your cup, you slip, like and
that's what it was.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Like that was the biggest lesson, I think, like, just
fill your cup so that you can fill everybody else's.
You know, I'm stressed now, I need to breathe. Why
don't we take a little break and won't be right
back welcome back, y'all. I'm feeling better.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
I'm glad. No, I don't want I don't. I don't
want to feel that way.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
And that's the real tea, Like everybody should just do
what makes them happy and like live and let live.
That's how I really feel. But just don't say things
you don't mean that. That's my only gruss and be considerate. Yeah,
be considerate, that's it. But yeah, that's that on that
just the reality of it. And I want to be
a person that's more. I want to be the person

(29:29):
that's that's growing and proud of myself and like reflecting
on these things, you know, because I wouldn't want to
be hurting anybody in that way, and I know that
I have and I guess it's a reflection when it
happens to you, you know, Like what's the golden rule?

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Like do unto others? Right? Yeah, yeah sure.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
But once we got to camp, the people that were there,
that was also an interesting situation because setting up camp
and taking down camp another undershoot.

Speaker 4 (29:58):
Guys, Why when you do what we did, which is camp,
pickup and pack food for as many meals as we did.
Snacks included drinks, included the utensils and materials and equipment
and tables to prep and make all of this food,

(30:20):
and entertainment and games, and the speaker to play the music,
the charging and the cleaning supportes.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
Are you going to put away the leftovers? It's there's
so much thuck. You know we're not going into it. Yeah,
and you know we're not going to throw away food.
That's another thing. Oh my gosh, we underestimated coolers. You
don't think about how you maintain the food that you're
gonna take. Like we were literally joking while we were prepping,
like why are these Yettie coolers four hundred and five

(30:48):
hundred dollars? It was crazy, dude, And we had like
five six of those Walmart coolers or whatever?

Speaker 3 (30:55):
I think, what is it with you in Walmart? What
do you have against Walmart? Nothing? Why did I have
to go get ice seven times because we had the
Walmart cooler? Right? And then you like, it's not like
we're gonna let the food go bad? Are you crazy?
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
Not only are we left over queens, we're considerate, so
we're not gonna like, in no reality, are we throwing
out any food?

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Food?

Speaker 2 (31:15):
Of course, By the way, we're gonna eat good for.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
The next few weeks. I literally have to return food.
There's so much food. Jim this morning was.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Like, no, no eating out.

Speaker 3 (31:27):
No. I'm like, yeah, girl, like we could feed the
fucking neighborhood. No, absolutely not.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
But anyway, we definitely undershot how important the cooler is
and how important.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
Dry ice is. Oh my good, dry ice. Can we
really save you because you like a piece of dry
ice and keep the ice cold? Life saver.

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Also shout out to Sharon, the lady who grabbed the
dry ice when I bought it. She literally grabbed it
with her bare hands and I got chills all over
my body.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
She's like, is she okay?

Speaker 2 (31:53):
I don't think so, but she's like, honey, I've been
doing this for twenty years. I'm like, oh girl, you
need to be studied or the next Netflix documentary is
gonna be about sharing her dry eyes because I did.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Not understand that. No, I didn't see that. Yeah, it
was amazing, But anyway, what was your favorite meal of
it out of all camp gem? Oh, well, the chili.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Jem made some chili that literally can't try chili I did,
Oh my god, I just can't explain that chili, and
then there was of course an array of things to
eat with the chili. It was amazing. But I have
to say my favorite was when we put up our
little projector and our little Amazon screen.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
That was actually really relatively cheap.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
Like I think the entire setup was probably sixty dollars max.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Wow, with the screening.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
How much was that Amazon screen? Maybe like twenty yep okay,
and the projector was twenty nine ninety nine, so fifty
whoa something bucks?

Speaker 3 (32:51):
Right, that's super cheap.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Plus the dongle actually dongle, the dongle to connect like
your phone.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
The dongle the dongle. So a dongle is a converter.
Is it actually called the called the dongle? Oh? I
thought that was one of your alien words. No, No,
Dongle's a real thing. Oh, dongles okay.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
And so it's that thing that Apple makes you pay
like three thousand dollars for that just adapts your phone
like to a USB or HDMI or whatever. Okay, but
I already had one of those. I didn't have to
pay for it. But anyway, so a relatively cheap setup,
so fun. So we're watching this movie literally that the
projectors hung between the trees and literally you can hear

(33:29):
the bugs and the fire's going and it has a
good speaker, that little projector too. Yes, and Gem has
taken these cast iron.

Speaker 4 (33:39):
They're called the campfire cookers. Oh my gosh, it's like
a It's like a mold for two pieces of sandwich bread.
And the concept is that they shut on each other.
You can fill them with whatever you want and it
creates this like campfire pie.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
It's literally two squares of cast iron. You can shove
whatever you want in there. But of course Gems shoved
the perfect combination, which was nutella strawberry. There was one
that was neutell in strawberries and ones that was neuteleian bananas.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
No, so good girl. She put those things over the
open fire. That movie was going, and.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
I was closing your eyes and really right but you
see like there were really some really, really truly special moments.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I want one right now.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
I'm sorry, I'm not about to make a freaking fire.
I still smell like smoke my hair and I've washed
it like it does. It doesn't matter. It's like in
your pores right now, It's fine.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
It was.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
It's like your only source of light and heat and
food at night.

Speaker 3 (34:40):
It is. It is crazy though that like you're always
so so so allergic and you are allergic to like
trees and outdoors and the whole time we were there
barely had an aalogy.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
So you know about American cities and their planting of
male trees, right.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Mm hmm, their male trees.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Yeah, so actually most of the trees and major American
cities are male trees, not female trees, which are the
ones that produce more pollen, which is why we are
extremely allergic.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
So you're even gay with trees. Yeah, so literally.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
Notice Notice notice that we went out into nature in
the middle of nowhere, and my sister and I could
never breathe clearer than we did those couple of days.
I brought two Kleenex boxes because that's just protocol.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
For me, especially for four days.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
I mean that's stretching it even and I didn't I
barely use them. One of them was closed still the
day that we.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Laughed wildbox wild no no no, no no no no.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
They please, can I have another campfire square right now?
You insane? Please please? They would never look, there's grass
right here. That's no. Yeah, sure it's flammable. No, but
you know what, Ambrika me with this one too.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
So after my whole episode, which we definitely have to
get into now we've teased it quite too much.

Speaker 3 (36:06):
That's a grand finale. Oh god, no, we have to
leave on a light note.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
But we were sitting in the car trying to bring
me back to life, and Amber was talking about the bugs,
and you know, I was like, you know, surprisingly enough,
in my backyard, I am like a fresh cut of
meat to the mosquitoes. I'm like a freaking filet mignon.
Over here, I'm a prime cut. They look at me
like lunchtime. But out in Jenny Springs, I don't know

(36:37):
if they had a prejudice against Latinos or something. Over there,
I saw quite a few Confederate flags, but they did
not come for me. And so I'm telling Amber this
as she's complaining about her a million bug bites.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
And it's like eight.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
O'clock and you know that at night they come out,
Oh my god, oh no, And so I'm like, in
the middle of talking to her about ham not bit
and whatever.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
She goes.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
And I'm like, you know what talking about and all
you hear is like the crickets roaring and all everything.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
She goes dear that it's their work. They're coming. I
died of laughter. Their war truly announced when they're coming.
Tiny bugs with like pitchforks, I know for you in there.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, I know, they really did. Though they had the
she did something to bugs in another life.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
Yeah, they came for her.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
They came for her hard. Oh man, well, I they
came for her heart. But the food was amazing. The
couch was amazing. We had a living room, we.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Had speakers, we had a yurt. I actually really.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Loved our camp. It was like in a circle with
the fire in the middle. We had giant dice that
we thought were stolen, but they were.

Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, that was great. I'm glad we found them. Jim
made a dish washing station. We needed it.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Another thing, all the Latinos that were there camping brought
a hose, which I find very interesting and I'm disappointed
we didn't do no.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Next time we go to Genny Springs where we're evolution,
I know, bringing about one thirteenth of the.

Speaker 3 (38:13):
Amount of sex.

Speaker 4 (38:13):
Oh yeah, oh yes, an extension cord. We're parking closer
to the bathroom.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
I think I'm just bringing a hose, and I'm good.
Why so many moments.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
That I need?

Speaker 3 (38:24):
So many moments? Really really like of all the things.
I mean, really, if we're thinking about it, all right,
you know what, let's just do it. If you could
bring one thing to Jenny Springs, what would it be
like after this trip? Like after this trip? Is it
a hose? I think it would be a doctor? Oh
my god? A satellite cell phone? My god?

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Literally no service, guys, like, no service if I were
to like I actually tried to dial nine one one
and I couldn't get through to nine one one.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
You did, yes, four times?

Speaker 1 (38:54):
You know that?

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Oh yeah, I called nine one one four times. You
don't know that.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I called nine one one, So did I and I
I couldn't get through.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
You didn't tell me that. Yeah, I can show you.
So let's just get into it. Yeah, let's get into it.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
So I would say that probably the beginning of my
demise started at the first all nighter.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
That I pulled the week leading into Camp Gym.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
N started a month before that, you think, so, oh yeah,
I think it started three weeks into planning Camp Gym
and also us needing to work and also you don't
realize we traveled to New York like three times. Like
we've been pushing at Jem, we really have, It's true.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
And we got back from New York and immediately we
went to help Chris, and we've just been doing a
bunch of stuff and not.

Speaker 3 (39:40):
Really prioritizing rest. Yeah, the way that we need to.

Speaker 4 (39:45):
And I am a machine and it's not I've actually
written about this. It's not something that I resent being
able to do. In fact, it's a pretty cool superpower
or ability to have in my back pocket in the
moments where I absolutely need it to have enough willpower,

(40:08):
enough mental strength to kind of override yeah, my bodily functions.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
To get shit done. But it is highly toxic and unhealthy.

Speaker 4 (40:21):
Yeah, and when you abuse it, it no longer becomes
a superpower.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
No, No, becomes illness and scary because then it takes
you out for much longer and it doesn't allow you to,
you know, get anything done at that point, or get
anything done.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
And enjoy it. I will preface this by saying that.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Jenny, like the campgrounds are pretty big, you know, and
I have to be completely real about this too, Like
climate change and like what's going on, you know, like.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
A couple of space news as ago.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
One of our top one of our pieces of news
was that, oh, like, you know, the last five July's,
I've been the hottest ever. Yeah, and like that's not news.
That's scary, you know, and the sun is hot, and
like if you've spent some time in Florida and like
been outside in the last couple of years, like I can, well,

(41:17):
I can tell you, like I've grown up, born and raised,
you know, in this state, and I've had some scary
moments in the heat recently. Like we're not going to
talk about it now, but I almost not almost died
nowhere near that, but I did almost pass out. It's scary,
like I haven't I've never had I've played sports my
whole life and been outside in this heat my whole life,

(41:38):
and I've never you know, like I got close to
passing out this year.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
That's never happened to me in my life, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 4 (41:44):
So I just remembered actually that the week before Camp Gem, remember,
we had to pull over on.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
Our bike ride because I started overeating. I know, all right,
I have an idea since you mentioned that.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
You observe me, and I feel like I'm still processing
what happened. I'd love to hear what you think happened
to me from your perspective.

Speaker 2 (42:14):
Well, I do observe you a lot, and I feel
like I have a big insight into why that happened, because,
as you mentioned, you push yourself. You push yourself when
you push yourself, and I feel like your mind goes
ahead of your body and it can kind of, like,
you know, create the illusion for your body that you

(42:37):
can keep going and you're this workhorse and you're okay.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
And we finally the second day that.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
We woke up, which was the first day that we
were there, actually able to enjoy the day and not
in transit. Obviously, the plan was to get to the water.
The way that it works over there is that it's beautiful. Actually,
there's this amazing river and I mean the river is
kind of gross actually, but it's beautiful.

Speaker 3 (43:06):
Why do you think it's gross the water? The water
is because you can't see anything.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
No, not because you can't see because when you're sitting
in your tube, the little bit of water that's up
in the tube, it is freaking yellow. But you know, me,
I was jumping in that water more than anybody. Yet
I'm not afraid. I just you know, it's not the
most beautiful water, but it is a gorgeous ambiance. You know,
you're the current is really fast, so there's these little

(43:31):
stairs that you walk down into the river and you
have to get on these floats and tie together because
if you're in a group, if you're not tied together,
you're losing that.

Speaker 3 (43:39):
Person, absolutely losing all the persons.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
And then as you float down the river, there are
these openings to hello the springs, which I didn't know,
but GM educated me on the fact that literally it's
these holes that you know, just come from the cunner
of the year. Oh my god, the water's freezing. It's delicious,
it's gorgeous, it's crystal clear. But you have to somehow
get off the current of the river into.

Speaker 3 (44:03):
The spring that's pushing out into the river. Right. So
it's a whole drama, but it's very exciting.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
So we were making our way to the water from
our camp which was at the end of this river run,
which albeit the second day when we actually thought about
it with some brain cells, worked out because we could
just take one of our vehicles to the entrance, go
to the end where a camp was, and then go
pick up the other fields.

Speaker 4 (44:30):
Well, I think that it wouldn't have worked, honestly, but
it worked the second day.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Well, the second day there were less people. Oh and we.

Speaker 4 (44:38):
Still had to put some people inside of the pickup,
which is why we didn't do it the first day.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Yeah, everything happens first.

Speaker 4 (44:44):
I mean, I guess some people could have held onto
the truck on the outside, like we could have done
it like very like.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
Even if I made two trips, it would have been
better than no, anything would have been better. But anyway, anyway,
lessons for next time.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
So when we try to make our way to the spring,
back to what I think happened to you, we had
to walk so far in the heat with everything we
planned on taking in the water.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
And we also made a giant loop. The loop killed
its hashtag the loop.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Because you see, the beginning of anything is the most
important part of it. How morale is at the start
of something will determine the longevity, the process and overall
experience of anything that you knew. And I feel like
people started to lose a little bit of momentum by

(45:37):
like minute fifteen, seeing that we still hadn't arrived, and
they probably painted a mental picture that we would be
in the spring a lot sooner. On top of that,
we're carrying pounds of these massive floating and tubing devices
and coolers and speakers and our bags and dry bags
with the keys and.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
All this stuff.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Yeah, so sweating even more. And we're in a giant group.
And if one person breaks off hashtag for shadowing, yeah,
then you're in a pickle because you can't just pick
up the phone and be like, hey, where you at.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
We're waiting for you here. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
So we didn't realize it, but when we thought we
had passed one of the springs on the tube trail
to get to the next spring, we actually did was
just return on a fork in the road. And by
that point that we realized, oh shit, these last twenty
minutes so we've been out here sweating and dying and

(46:35):
dealing with all of this. We advanced nothing.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Yep.

Speaker 4 (46:39):
So by that point I saw my people. I know,
my people, they're my people. They were not down anymore.
They were dying for the spring.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah. And you, jah buja, what is his behavior?

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So you like you always do and like you mentioned
the beginning of anything is the most important.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
So you're like, all right, I got this. I'm going
to be the I'm gonna get us going. Don't worry.
We just made a loop. But it's fine.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
So we kept walking and we thought we might be
nearing some kind of destination. But there are a bunch
of springs, so we stopped at one and we're like,
do we get off at the spring?

Speaker 4 (47:12):
We stopped at actually right, Yeah, we had been advancing right,
and then we decided we wanted to forge forward because
we wanted to go to the very beginning of the
tube trail.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
I am a benevolent dictator that sometimes allows for other decisions.

Speaker 3 (47:29):
And it always allows what always allows for.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Influence of the people because I am just a representative, yeah,
with a little bit more veto power. And so I
was like, hey, you guys want to stop here. I
knew they were dying to swim, so this isn't our destination,
but we could just swim right now.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
They're like, no, let's just get there. Yeah, We're like,
let's just get there.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
So then shortly after I don't know who it was
that pointed it out, I was.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Like, oh no, where's Chris?

Speaker 2 (47:59):
And if you go back a couple episodes so you
can learn about who Chris is, somebody that's very important
to Jem, very important to me and the pod actually
and everything. And also, as you'll learn, has a very
very serious heart condition and is on his second heart transplant.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
So when we realize that Chris is lost, we became
very worried.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
Not a very good feeling.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
And also Gemini were more worried than everybody else because
some people, you know, don't really understand how serious, you know,
his condition is.

Speaker 4 (48:31):
I think as Chris was walking ahead of us at
the beginning of everything before the loop fiasco, haha, and
I was really good, Sorry I was. I realized that
again a second, I'm like, wow, that.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Was gouldn be exquisite good for me. That was a
good job. I really got to revel in it. Okay,
I'm going anyway.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
So we realized, oh crap, Chris was with us. He
had been walking ahead of us because he walks at
a different pace than everyone. He didn't want, you know,
people to be waiting on.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
Him or be worried. He's a considerate folk.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
And uh yeah, so we were pissing ourselves and shitting ourselves,
and then we decided Jim.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
I look at Jim again.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I'm observing her, which is the entire point of this saga,
and I'm like, oh, she's worried, but she's like trying
to keep it cool. She's like, it's okay, it's okay.
We're gonna get Chris and then other Chris, because that's
another thing. We have multiple chris Is around us.

Speaker 4 (49:36):
But I think we found our final Chris. In fact,
I told Chris, I was like, if we meet another
Chris and I'm so sorry, Chris is out there.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Sorry, We're full. Yeah, we're full of Chris. Not one
more Chris.

Speaker 4 (49:46):
Yeah, we have beardless Chris, bearded Christus and Chris construction,
Chris Construction.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
How many construction Chriss Do you know about cousin Chris, Yes.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Because auction Chris. There's I feel like there's another one
around that.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
If we're not remembering, I'm sure, I'm sorry, just a
lot of chris Is.

Speaker 2 (50:09):
Yes, we're full of Chris high anyway, So yeah, we
were shitting ourselves and then we took a collective pause
in the beaming sun. So at that point when we
realize Chris is missing Construction Chris, who's an all star.

Speaker 3 (50:25):
Total all star.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
Literally I think he was like MVP.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
Oh of course, I think it's valuable player, like most slow.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, anybody would say that, even over me, even over you. Honestly,
Oh oh by far.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
I mean I practically ruined the trip.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
But anyways, so Construction Chris is like, all right, I'm
going to find Chris.

Speaker 3 (50:45):
I'm going back to get Chris.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Remember, guys, in retrospect, at this point, not only is
one person splitting off from the group bad, Now you
have a second person splitting off, and they're going to
look for the first person. So best case scenario if
they find each other, which is like whoa. At that point,
I really I got to tell you I didn't have
a good feeling about that. So, as I said, as

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you can imagine one person splitting off his bad. Now
two people are split off and we're there not to
mention that. At this point, Jem is trying to, as
I mentioned, keep morale high and be the exciter and
keep everybody relaxed because we were scared. But meanwhile, she's
the first one waking up at camp, making everybody food,
fucking making sure everything is good, Like she was running
on e and she was making sure she was fueling

(51:30):
everybody else. And so we are pausing there for a
moment and became two moments, three moments. Were probably there
fifteen minutes. That's another thing. I didn't have a phone.
I didn't have concept of time or anything like that,
which is great, but also you know, unique to our

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main experiences.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
And all of a sudden.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
We hear keep walking and it was greaty from the
disc in the distance, and I'm like, oh my god,
my heart just like relaxed for a second, and I
was like, thank goodness that, you know. And for a
moment I was like, oh my god, but now we
lost construction Chris, but thank goodness they were together. So
then in that moment jem I saw her. She's like, Okay,

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finally we got everybody. We're almost at the spring.

Speaker 3 (52:18):
We got it. We walked almost a little bit more,
and then we arrived.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
And when we arrived that we were finally at the
mouth of the entrance that we're ready to go. That
were all tied, tying up or getting organized.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Literally.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I mean, from my experience, you stepped in the water,
and when you finally got in the float, we're all
tied up, we're ready to go. I look over at
you and I'm like, oh oh, because I think in
that moment when your brain finally relaxed and you were like, oh,
I made it to the destination. Everybody's here, everybody's okay,

(52:53):
your body went oh no, no, no, no, honey, like,
listen to me. You overworked me, and now you're gonna
relax your brain. Listen to what I'm going to say
to you. Because in that moment, Jem, your body completely
shut down. I feel like your ears started ringing your
That's the moment your temperature started regulating. You turned completely white.
You were wet from the spring, but you were hot

(53:14):
from the outside. You hadn't eaten, you left, you hadn't
drank water. It all hit you all at once, and
everybody is.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Like woo in the spring.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
And I'm looking at her and I'm like, oh my god.
And of course, in that moment, a couple.

Speaker 3 (53:26):
Of people noticed, a couple people were like, uh, jam, yeah,
but it started outside. It started.

Speaker 4 (53:31):
It started exactly when we got to the spring.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Yeah. And I was like, whoa, I.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
Don't feel good. Yeah, I didn't feel good at all.
And I felt like, oh shit, I'm overheating. Yeah, and
I immediately thought, wow, I need to get in the
spring and like cool off. But the thing is that
the spring it's like seventy degrees, which sounds like it's
not that cold for those of you listening, if you
haven't been in seventy degree water, because you're probably like
I was, which is my house is around seventy degrees.

(54:00):
You know, I keep the ac at seventy degrees. I
can totally Withdan that no, no, no, no, you can't.
Seventy degree air is not the same as seventy degree water.
Seventy degree water is like a gold clinch.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
Yeah, no, it is. Yeah, And I don't know.

Speaker 4 (54:15):
I don't know exactly what it is happened in that moment.
I do think after talking to my sister who's a nurse,
and you know, people who know stuff, I guess who
seemed to be well versed in the lingo, it does
seem like out of a couple of things that happened
to me that made up this perfect storm, one of

(54:36):
the things that I suffered was a heat stroke. But
I also felt when I finally got in the spring,
like I completely shocked my body and I was immediately
I tried to say I was freezing, and I tried
to sit in my floaty and I know that my

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ears started ringing because I don't know if you remember,
I covered them.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
No, literally, she was sitting like looking down, covering her ears,
just like trying to.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
I was meditating.

Speaker 4 (55:08):
I was trying to focus on my breathing, trying to
pass out, literally trying not to pass out. And I
could feel like my head tingling. I could feel like
just everything like down in, just bad. And I think
that what sorted happening is that my body, if I
could explain it anyway, it felt like I was boiling

(55:31):
from the inside out and freezing from the outside in.
And I don't think that my body knew what to
regulate first, whether it was my shivering body and my
freezing cold bathing suit.

Speaker 3 (55:44):
You hadn't eaten enough and you had drinking water, and
you're slept, So that.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Was another thing. I'm almost certain because I felt it
before him. My blood sugar dropped, oh absolutely, And at
some point I was aware of what was going on
around me, and I was overcome on top of everything
by just like an anxious feeling of feeling like I

(56:09):
was fucking ruining the trip, and I was worried about you, guys.
I was worried about my people and my family, my friends,
who had some people cross multiple state lines to be
there for me that weekend, and I was there fucking
My sister made a funny joke. You already named it,
and it was actually Josh. Josh made a funny joke

(56:31):
you already named a camp jem. You needed to be
more about you. You know, here I am getting super
super sick, and just like what a damn around everybody's time.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Yeah, but then you know that also began my nightmare
because from that moment on, you made it very clear like, look,
I want them to have fun, but I'm not okay.

Speaker 3 (56:49):
So at that point we had to break off.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Well, I tried to feel better, and I started to
feel nauseous, and I remember you had said to one
of our friends, like signaled to her to kind of
like without letting everybody know, but like you started to
get worried. I remember you saying no, no, I started to
get worried, and that started to get me more almost
like more anxious, because I already wasn't feeling bad and

(57:12):
I was hearing you say vocally, and other people hearing you,
you know, like that you were, which you.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Had every reason to be.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
And then I remember I got up out of the
water and I started walking directly to the bathroom, which
I didn't know where it was, and I remember how
bright the sun the sun was shining. Because I was
I felt even sensitive to the light around me, and
I started immediately for the direction that I hoped to
the bathroom was in, which I ended up being right,

(57:38):
and I knew you were following behind me, and I
didn't even make it inside the bathroom, just to the
back and started peaking immediately.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
She decided to puke next to the septic tank.

Speaker 4 (57:49):
Well, I didn't know it was a subt tank. To
be fair, I have really bad allergies. I can't smell
very much. I didn't know what that wass.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Sorry, at that point I knew what was going down.
I made it was like, all right, we're switching into
another zone here, and I was like, I knew we
needed to get to camp, but also like, what's at camp?

Speaker 3 (58:07):
You know, it's not like it's your house.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
It's not like I have ac At that moment, already
I was like, what the hell are we going to
do that?

Speaker 4 (58:14):
So the part that I don't think you, I don't
think I ever told you was I thought we had
the keys.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
Yeah, that was another thing.

Speaker 4 (58:22):
Remember, Okay, So remember we came, we went to the bathroom.
We were sitting in one of the the bathrooms all
our bathhouses as well, and I remember as I was
pushing to open because you know, my brain is photographic,
My memory is photographic, and I remember pushing open the
door and reading a sign and paper that was like
no hot water, yeah, because I guess that bath house
didn't have hot water. And we were sitting in one

(58:44):
of the stall showers and I was starting to feel
that I was not feeling good.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
And the thing is, I've had these weird little spells before.

Speaker 4 (58:52):
You've been there for some of them. It's happened to
me when I've been at concerts or like a music
festival where it's hot or like there's.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
A lot of peace, there's always heating. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (59:01):
So I started to realize that this was not one
of those moments, that this was worse, This was like
way worse, and that I wasn't gonna be able to
make it back on the spring because usually when it
happened to me before, I tend to recuperate rather quickly.
I'll take like ten fifteen minutes maybe, But then I'm
kind of back to normal, you know, I get sensation
in my appendages again, and the ringing stops whatever. And

(59:22):
that's when I told you to go get my stuff.
And remember the stuff that I told you to grab.
It was the drybox that was attached to the dry bag.
And I thought, because I had seen James at camp
with both of the keys, I thought that he had
put the keys to the van and the truck.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
In our bag and the rest of them were then
the other drive back.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Well plotowiss, all the keys were in another dry back
And that's a big deal because our car is really
the only lifeline.

Speaker 4 (59:51):
Well that's what I was in my head, That's what
I was envisioning. We would get to camp and if
I couldn't get better, we would put me in a
car and either go to the main build of the
springs or you know, a hospital whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
No, yeah, but that didn't happen, and we didn't realize
until it was too late and we had already sent
everybody else down the river. Like it's fine, everything's great,
We're gonna go back to Campuchill. Meanwhile, I'm freaking out.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
It took all of my battery to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
Yeah, I know, I know it was hard for you, because,
like I said, the entire moment that you envisioned on
the trip was going.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Down the river with them. No. Well, and I don't
say it because of that. I say it because I
was literally that ill. Oh yeah, you walk over there,
and I.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Yeah, I literally I think I like pulled from every
cell in my body, whatever a little bit of energy
I had left.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
And I knew that if I set you over.

Speaker 4 (01:00:43):
There, and I knew you were worried, and you're not
that great of a liar, and you were meant to
tell them to go down the river without me, they
might not believe you. They might be worried, they might
not enjoy themselves. And I just kept worrying about that.
I kept worrying that they weren't enjoying themselves. So I
was like, all right, well, get out there, make it quick,
don't throw up or don't.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
Know you're lying.

Speaker 4 (01:01:05):
And I remember I was like, let me walk as
straight as possible to that, but just smile and seems
as convincing as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
Yeah, and you were, and they were worried, but ultimately
they ended up going, which is when we realized that
we didn't have the keys, and then began, We're at
the end of the damn park.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
How do we get back to the camp at the
start when we don't have keys, we don't have a car,
we don't We literally were like, we need to ride
back now.

Speaker 2 (01:01:31):
So at this point began my dilemma, which was I
can't leave you alone at any moment.

Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
And we were in the beating son throughout.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
In the beating son throughout, I can't leave her alone.
We can't really find any shelter, and I need to
go find somebody to help also figure out go back
to where she was. And you know there are other campers,
there are tons of other people. But obviously going up
to strangers and asking for help, which I did yet no,

(01:01:59):
and which I did multiple times.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
And I'm sure I look crazy and stressed because I was.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
And then ultimately I'm in the middle of talking to
somebody but they didn't have room in their car, and
I hear jem yelling and I'm like, when you were yelling,
I thought like, oh my God, if she's yelling this loud,
feeling like this, she's it's done. I sprinted by the way,
my feet my feet fucked up, because that's another don't

(01:02:27):
feel bad.

Speaker 3 (01:02:28):
It's just that I had my.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Fucking five shower shoes and that's what I ran through
the woods through the entire time.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
But anyway, so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
I hear her screaming and I run back to her
and I and I see a security card behind her.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
It was like seeing a water bot. Literally, no, no, no, no, no,
you don't understand.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
I was like, oh my god, yes, I'm like hello, hello,
please please, And then you're like, don't scare them too much,
but like we need help. So I'm like, okay, guys, hi,
this is my partner. You know, she's she's having a
medical situation. We just really need to get back to camp.
And they were like a little bit cold at first.

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
They were a little skeptical.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
At first, they were skeptical and cold, and then at
the end ultimately they like probably felt bad and they
were really nice.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
But we finally get to them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
I think, here we go a Krusty krab pizza is
the pizza, and they go, well, we'll take her, but
We're not taking you, I know. And I was like,
the freaking security people of the place, Not only have
I already asked three people that said no, the security
person with a medical bag in the back seat, with
plenty of room in the car won't take both of us.

(01:03:38):
And I'm like, Jem says, where do you expect me?
What do you expect me to do? When you drop
me where I'm going? She's the only person I have
like I'm not okay, and she's like, I can't take
her in the back. Jem, I know that everything is
a blur for you because you were really.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
Thinking, I've convinced them to let you come.

Speaker 2 (01:03:54):
You convinced not only convince them, but that whole ordeal
took another ten minutes just to convince them ten minutes,
it was. It was like five, but okay, it was
enough time that I was like, I can't believe seeing
you the color that you are, the way that you're feeling,
the way that you were talking about.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
Let you know, one thing that I realized really early
on in this experience was Jenny Springs is about forty
five minutes from Kainesville, which is home to one of
the biggest universities in the state University of Florida, and
I know from being there sufficient amount of Memorial Day
weekends that that place is often littered with college kids.

(01:04:34):
And I'm sure they have seen tons of alcohol poisoning,
drug overdoses, maybe people even overreacting.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
And I know a girl my age.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Probably people make snap judgments, and they were probably making
snap judgments about what was really going on with me
in that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:54):
Moment when you had not one drop of alcoholic I know,
and you did prepare a very nice drink for yourself.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
How you never drank a whole walle bottle, had a
whole temperature controlled lord anyway waiting for me.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
So then began, let's get us back to camp when
MS GPS dependent, I don't know where the hell camp is?

Speaker 3 (01:05:17):
Oh well, I mean we were in that damn wood. No,
I mean m literally could not find camp.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
I mean, ultimately I didn't last day. I had a
better sense of direction than anything.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Yes, but I was holding on to the back of
that golf cart with like for dear life and almost
falling off of it, and was like.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
Oh, I don't know where you are, babe, where are we?
And I'm like I can't even speak. I can barely
open my eyes. It was really bad, but we found it.
We found it. We get to camp. It's hot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Gem is feeling terrible. At that point, we literally think
we have the keys. We get to camp, we think
that this is our saving grace. The security people have
taken us there. We're going to get to the car,
We're going to figure it out. And we're like, oh,
we don't have the keys.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
We don't have the keys, and these people are in
the middle of a river on a raft going down
yep with no service, but no service or ways for
us to get to them.

Speaker 3 (01:06:06):
Only one person at a phone or two people. And
it was over ninety five degrees outside. Hot hot, hot attack, ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (01:06:15):
The tents were basically plastic ovens, oh yeah, which I
had to go into everybody's tent, grab everybody's fans and
tried to cool you down as much as possible.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Because the moment that we got there and we realized
we didn't have the key was the loop part two.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
It was here we go, here's the next part of
the issue.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Because you started to tell me I am not well,
I need a hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:06:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Then you started to get really scared, and I think
also the fact that we had nowhere, like no escape,
nowhere to go, nobody to communicate with.

Speaker 4 (01:06:46):
No because I mean when I when I got into
my car accident and I was alone at like five
in the morning, and I was on the outside of
my smoking vehicle, smoking totaled vehicle, in the middle of
the street, waving down cars that passed me by without stopping.
The first person I called wasn't an ambulance. The first

(01:07:06):
person I called was my mom. When the police inevitably
showed up and told me that I had to go,
I tried to fight them. I'm not somebody that like,
I don't say let's go to a hospital unless I
need to go to a hospital.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Yeah, And I did. I at least felt that I did.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Yeah, And then I was really panicking. And then we
were trying to figure out a situation in the tent,
but it was too hot and it was like overwhelming.
We couldn't figure out anything that was making anything better.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
It was just worse than worse. But there was no way.
We didn't even have the right fan.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
It was hot and just bad and bad, and we
were wet, and then it was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:46):
Just and at that point.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
I was now cold from zooming through the air with
a golf cart in my freezing cold bathing suit and
also overheating, and I was having some I don't know,
you know, I know that vomiting is one of the
symptoms of heat stroke, but I was bad, like I
felt that the vomit, that nausea, all of it, and

(01:08:08):
I knew I needed to go to the bathroom and
I was hoping that there's something would get.

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
Better, but it didn't, and instead, that's when you really
started to scare me, because you're like, I feel like
I'm going to die. I I can't control my body
right now. I don't know what to do. At that point,
you were stripped down because your cold, your clothes was
making you hot, was making you cold. It was a
whole thing. So you're like, I need you to go

(01:08:31):
find help now, like right now. And at that moment,
I was like, all right, this is it, Like I
need to figure out who's going to take us, either
to the front or if I can get a hold
of the ambulance.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
That's when I started to call nine.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
By the way, I was doing the same exact thing
inside of the stall. It's crazy, which was wild. I
showed my sister and everything I tried. I called the ambulance,
but I thought you weren't going to get one in
time or I didn't know, and I was I literally
thought I felt my body going into overdrive. I felt

(01:09:04):
my body struggling with itself. I literally felt like the
slow depletion. And what I thought, you know, what I
was really scared was gonna happen, was I was gonna
have a heart attack and I was gonna die.

Speaker 3 (01:09:21):
And you weren't there in that moment.

Speaker 4 (01:09:23):
And I literally tried to call the ambulance of myself
and they want to go through.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
I know, which is like, what is the SOS feature
on the phone? If it doesn't go through, I don't
get it. I don't get it. And then began the

(01:09:49):
real disappointment was me going around to four campsites begging
that I was having an emergency and nobody helping me.
Before one guy, what did they say?

Speaker 3 (01:10:00):
What did they tell you when you went up to
what did you say? They didn't feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
I was like, I need somebody with a car right now,
please to take us to the front of the camp
like it's an emergency, And they were like no, I'm sorry,
I don't feel comfortable. And the second one was like
I can't leave camp right now, like things that didn't
make sense, and again, probably made a snap judgment about
what the situation was. And I look young, so they're

(01:10:24):
probably like, here's this girl. She's probably her friend is
drunk or they're freaking out, or they're on drugs or
whatever the hell, and they just wouldn't help. And then
the one person who would help was literally this dude
who was in a pirate hat.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
I heard about pirate hat dude.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
Well you saw him, well barely, but he had literally
a creepy white van with a soggy, half deflated mattress
in the back of it with all his shit in
it and a corky pillow and a corky pillow. And
I'm like it was my angel. No man, I saw
I run over at his camp. It came that's when
my feet are sucked up, and I'm like, dude, please, like,

(01:11:04):
can you meet me by the math by the bathroom.
My girlfriends are like, we really need help, and he's like, yeah, yeah,
I got you, got you, got you. So I run
back to jam who at this point when I entered
the bathroom again, there was a gaggle of people around
you and I was naked and you were naked, and
I'm just like, what so.

Speaker 3 (01:11:23):
Not something that you would think would happen.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
And like not only women in the sall like men women,
I don't know, men.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Rationalizing with me why I shouldn't call the no no
literally with like a joint hanging out of them out
like no, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
You're fine, dude, like just like go take a nap,
and I'm like, oh my god, soip with it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
I'm like, all right, all right, like get the fuck out,
like let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
Because the pirate Jack Sparrow was there to pick us
up in the creepy white van and the one Megan
who you know was got your gatorade and little saved woman.
Yeah she was wonderful. Shout out and.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
Dude, we got you in the creepy white van. They
could have taken Assemily could have upduckted us right then
and there. Well she literally volunteered.

Speaker 2 (01:12:08):
She literally said, well, to be fair, they were like
in a twenty five person camp right behind us, so
I hope they wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
But yeah, you're absolutely right. But at that point, what
option do I have?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
It's an emergency, Yeah, like what option do I have?

Speaker 3 (01:12:22):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
And the and the Megan was like do you know
these guys And I'm like no, and they're like no, no.

Speaker 3 (01:12:28):
No, we're cool, man. Our girlfriends are right there like
we're good.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
We're good, Like like, I have no other options.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
There's nothing I can do, Like, let's get in the
back of this creepy van. We're just gonna pray. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Anyway, so after that, we decided that the AC in
the van was maybe helping well because.

Speaker 4 (01:12:43):
I figured I felt it, even if I didn't know
exactly what was happening, I felt that I felt that
I was overheating, and I knew that I needed to
be in some kind of temperature control environment. Yeah, because
they were moments in the staw and I don't think
I ever mentioned this to you, where I was having
difficulty breathing and I was like, well, if I can

(01:13:07):
stay in the AC and regulate my temperature, yeah, that
way that I might start feeling better. And I started
feeling I was hallucinating like it was.

Speaker 3 (01:13:18):
It was bad. It was a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
I was like, you know what, like just if you
don't mind, just park here at your camp, just leave
the acon well, like we'll draw you some money for gas,
Like she could just rest for a second. Because at
that point we had finally gotten through to your sister,
and she's like, all right, we're going to get off
at the next exit. That's like the only information we
had from her. But we didn't know where the exit was,
how far she was from camp. So at this point
we're just playing fast and loose from when everybody's getting

(01:13:42):
back to camp.

Speaker 4 (01:13:42):
By the way, did I ever tell you that at
some point in the beginning of the saga, when I
was still trying to rationalize and still prioritizing, like you know,
that I was worried about other people having a good time,
I texted my sister, Hey, it's me help.

Speaker 3 (01:13:58):
I think I need you to discreet lead me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:00):
To the Oh my goodness, lord.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
But so Amber was on our way to work.

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
Amber was, I mean, yeah, but I didn't know how
far when I kept running back to you know, like
looking over and meanwhile, I'm in my bathing suit and
wrapped in a towel and my feet bleeding, and and
you are dying. And so finally though, when the pirate
closed the car and the ac and I'm looking at
you and you fell asleep, Well whatever was happening, it

(01:14:28):
looked like, at least for a second, you know, everything
was okay for a second and not. But like three
minutes later, they knock on the back of the van.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Hey, so we're gonna go swimming. Can we drop you
guys back at camp or you know, I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:14:45):
Like, oh fuck, can we take you to the front.
I remember you said, oh man, you know, I'm sorry. Guys, like,
is there just any way we could stay back?

Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
Oh my god, in my head because of course, like
they don't you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:58):
Can trust us, you know, Oh, I'm sorry. You know,
we know, it's really not your problem. The guy's like, yeah, yeah,
no it is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
He's like, yeah, no, like, which I get it. Jem's like, dude,
they have a life, Like it's not their problem, which
I get.

Speaker 3 (01:15:10):
Again. Staff judgments about me.

Speaker 2 (01:15:12):
I feel like if somebody really needed medical attention, I
wouldn't prioritize swimming.

Speaker 3 (01:15:15):
But I understand.

Speaker 4 (01:15:17):
Yeah, I also think that maybe it wasn't very believable.
You know, we were saying that I really wasn't doing well,
and I'm sure that they just thought that we were
exaggerating or being dramatic.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
I don't know. I don't know, but I understood.

Speaker 4 (01:15:30):
But I think that almost killed me again when we
had to get out of the van and go back
into the leave, and I remember I tried to make
the tet work at that point because I knew that
I needed to lay down. I didn't at that point.
I had no more energy in me to stand up.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
It was abysmal.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
And when they dropped us back at camp, I was like,
oh my god, like I was.

Speaker 3 (01:15:51):
I was also just like I don't know what to do.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
And luckily shortly after they showed up with the keys
and we were able to get in the truck for
you to rest for a little bit. But that I
still think right now, sitting in that chair, you are
affected by it. Oh what happened to you that day?
And I think that, like you mentioned, you should have

(01:16:16):
been in a hospital, and I think I know it.

Speaker 3 (01:16:19):
I would have. If I would have been in the city,
I would have been in I would have been in
a hospital overnight. I'm sure. Yeah, I wasn't okay for days.
I'm still not okay. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
I'm literally energy depleted. I took my body to zero.

Speaker 3 (01:16:32):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (01:16:35):
I genuinely, genuinely, genuinely spent a moment thinking I was
not going to make it out of there.

Speaker 3 (01:16:43):
Yeah, me too, And that was not fun. I know.
I'm so sorry that you went through that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:47):
I'm sorry. I remember feeling terrible for what you went through.
I saw it on your face. I remember when I
finally got into the van, like an hour after being there,
I kept telling people that you need to take care
of them because.

Speaker 3 (01:16:57):
I could see.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
First of all, I could see it while everything was happening,
the trauma on your face.

Speaker 3 (01:17:03):
But I could see it after. I knew that you felt.

Speaker 2 (01:17:07):
Fear and like adrenaline and fear and just oh my god.
It was just a terrible experience. Well, we learned a lot,
and I also think that it's time to freaking listen
to your body and rest and kind of like prioritize it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:25):
I mean, the whole day was ruined. I didn't recover
for another six hours, and I barely recovered. I went
from the van to a chair that I sat and
the whole night without.

Speaker 3 (01:17:34):
Moving pretty much.

Speaker 4 (01:17:35):
Yeah, and there was even a point there where I
had a full on crying fit.

Speaker 3 (01:17:44):
Yeah I was.

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
I was in three blankets up to my neck because
I was again freezing outside. But then I had my.

Speaker 3 (01:17:51):
Head exposed to like blasting.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
Ac because I felt like my head was on fire
and I couldn't regulate my temperature for hours.

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
And my sister give me liquid IV or you give
me liquid IV? I tried.

Speaker 4 (01:18:09):
I was like, well, if I go to a hospital,
probably all they're going to do is give me an
IV and might as well try to do it myself.
I just learned so much about not just even how
I spent that day or the day before or even
the week before, just like how I devote my time
in general, and how many times I take my body

(01:18:30):
for granted, how many moments I push myself and I
know I'm pushing myself and I'm taking advantage of myself.

Speaker 3 (01:18:38):
And what I'm able to or not able to do.
And the thing is that.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
I know how these life lessons work. They only grow
incrementally every time you refuse to listen to them. As
far as impactfulness, you know, we say it all the time.
The universe doesn't stopped teaching you a lesson just because
you don't learn it the first time and I don't
want to know what the next time would look like.

(01:19:05):
I don't want to get there me neither, please, And
I don't want to learn this lesson the hard way.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
I don't want you to either. And I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
Be there for moments where you keep depleting yourself and
not resting and giving, you know, trying to create the
best experience for everybody else and not taking care of yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
How you're going to get.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
In trouble and you know, like it's a lesson to everybody.
The world is moving so fast right now, and if
you're the kind of person that you know stretches yourself thin,
which I know a lot of people that do that.

Speaker 4 (01:19:43):
Yeah, I mean it is that age old story of
the woman. How many of us had mothers, I mean,
you know that would spend family vacations something or other
cooking and cleaning and not even being able to really
enjoy the activities.

Speaker 2 (01:19:57):
Yeah, and you know, having medical issues use or mental
health issues.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
And I'm just glad that you're okay.

Speaker 2 (01:20:05):
And I hope that we both too take this really
seriously moving forward and reflect on it. And also I
think twice before we go camping with twenty people.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
I would definitely say that I would never do this
again me neither ever mean.

Speaker 4 (01:20:25):
And I would never I'd probably never plan a trip
like this for my friends ever again, as much as.

Speaker 3 (01:20:30):
I love them. Never again. Yeah, but I do exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
I was just about to say, but I do want
to go back to Ginny Springs. I'd love to go camping,
maybe just us or like two other people.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Yeah, but not more.

Speaker 4 (01:20:45):
Small group, small group, low expectations, and we already have
all the gear exactly. So which is a test run? Yeah,
a lesson, A huge lesson. Take care of yourself. Pause
before your body forces you to pause, because it's.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
Not going to be pretty. It's not going to be pretty,
and you're going to pay in other ways. Well, I'm glad.

Speaker 4 (01:21:11):
I'm glad that i'm here, and I'm very grateful to
you because you pretty much saved my life.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
No I didn't, but I'm glad that I was there.
And I also learned a lot too. How much I
love you. I mean, you know how much I love you.
That's not a secret. But in those moments it's sickness
and in health, right, that's when you really things get
illuminated even brighter. I'm scary, but I'm so glad you're here.

(01:21:42):
And Campo No camp jub is dead. No, it's not,
it's never That's what I'm saying. It's going to be
a thing.

Speaker 3 (01:21:50):
Watch Lord, remember that one time jam almost died threw
up everywhere? Hey, but do you remember those campfire sandwiches?
You certainly?

Speaker 2 (01:22:00):
Hey, please take a lesson from us. Hey, don't go
camping with twenty people. Be pause, fill your cup, take
care of yourselves. Honestly, health is wealth, nothing, and I
mean nothing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:16):
Is worth.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Your life in retrospect because the day after tomorrow, if
we're not here, then there's something to enjoy. So you
need to pause. You need to rest and listen to
your body. And I'm really glad you're here, babe, and
I love you learning experience right, yeah for sure.

Speaker 3 (01:22:36):
Anyway, thank you for joining us on the Camp Jump
Saga camp Job. This has been another flight off in
our own world. Thanks for flying with us. I'm going
to sleep and night.

Speaker 4 (01:22:53):
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