16. Ink-finity and Beyond

Gather ye round for an epic conversation about the often controversial, yet beautifully ancient, art-form that is tattoo. And as if navigating these out-of-this world conversations wasn't enough, we decided to do all of it while getting tattooed. Live. For all of you. Local tattoo artist, Chris Guerrero, joins us with his needles and ink, and gives us an all-access pass to the wonderful world of body art. What is the origin of tattoo? What is the best way to prepare for your first? How do you care for a fresh one? Is there a bear on Mars? And what off Earth did Gem and Em permanently carve on their bodies? To Ink-finity, and Beyond!

Featuring: Chris Guerrero

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
I hate you the same. Let's go to Mission one
ready for.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Launch. Well well, well, oh yeah, baby, you have no
idea what you guys just walked into.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
And I'm very excited you did.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
What a special day. What a special day. First of all,
it's the first day in forty six episodes that we
have Chris in the room with us. Thank you, Chris.
Give a shout out to the people. Chris.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
Hi, it's me Chris.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
And perfect segue to the other Chris, our incredible friend
and tattoo artists ex shortin air. Chris Guerrero is here
with us today.

Speaker 4 (01:05):
Thank you for having you. Guys. Look so excited.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Listen, We're very excited. I had this idea you guys,
you're welcome.

Speaker 5 (01:13):
Because I love tattoos.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
It's no secret Jem also has a couple of little tattoos,
and it's something that's special to me and I know that,
especially in the Latino community, sometimes it can be misconstrued.
There's a lot of misinformation about it. But it's a
beautiful process, it's a beautiful art form. So I had
the idea to have a conversation and hang out with

(01:35):
Chris and Jem.

Speaker 6 (01:36):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Wow, we get tattooed. So literally you can't see right now,
but we already have the stencils on. Yep, we are
set up here, everything sterilized clean.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
There was some prep in order to get this together.
We talked to Chris Chris G. We'll see Chris Chris
G ahead of time to send him our idea so
you can get his brain working and his incredible art going.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
And I have to say, I don't think I thought
this through exactly because I just got excited. I'm like,
this is rock and roll. But yeah, and I'm like, oh,
wait a minute, we're actually gonna have to talk and
have a conversation while you're drilling needles into us. So
you guys, this is all for you.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
So Chris, should I get into a position before we
start interviewing you?

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yeah, if you want to, let's see.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
So for the people who've never gotten a tattoo before,
why don't you walk us through, Like what's some of
the prep that you have to do as a tattoo artist?

Speaker 4 (02:31):
So well, of course obviously like cleaning, like the spaces,
have everything set up, you know, the station, the machines,
the needles, stencil obviously, have it correctly, the right position, size,
all of that, and yeah, we're ready to go.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
And this is basically I mean, like technically it's somewhat
of a medical procedure because you're using a needle to
go into my skin. Yeah, so there's obviously like a
sterilisation process you have to follow. I always see you
plastic wrapping everything in one gloves. What is that? What's
it like?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Yeah, that's because obviously, yeah, we want to have everything
clean since there's gonna be an open wound. We don't
want anything to be like, you know, contaminated. Also, the
machine's already wrapped. The needles are always you know, disposable.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Oh so they're single use. Yeah, one tattoo, that's it.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Wow, do you think this is nineteen forty exactly.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
The old old days? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
They used well hello, uh, they used to and they
used to be connected to a battery and a thing
and whatever.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
I see exactly.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
And now we're coming to your Bluetooth baby, which is
amazing that you can come here. There's no wires connected
to this time, everything wireless.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, you can connect your AirPods to it.

Speaker 3 (03:49):
I really hope not imagine the cloud is connected to
your tattoo guns stealing your art ideas black mirror story.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
So, Chris, why don't you tell us a little bit
about yourself? Who are you? Where are you from?

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Well, I'm from Colombia. I was born and raised over there.
Then I came here in two thousand and six and
been here in Miami ever since.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, do you love Miami?

Speaker 4 (04:18):
Loami?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Yeah, it's amazing, It's amazing. There's no place like it.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
That sound you just heard was the tattoo gun.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, goodness. Okay, So I'm gonna I'm gonna try to
keep being good at this while you while you dig
into my skin.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Guys, the only day you can only move.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Okay, I promise, no moving, no laughing. You're gonna get
some ASMR guys of that. Okay, while he's starting. This
is a great question because now I've heard that a
lot of people use numb and creams. I even saw
this guy who went under full anesthesia.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
How do you feel about that?

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Man?

Speaker 4 (04:53):
Like, for me personally, I don't like anasthesia. I like
to feel or like to have that sense of like
I did it, you know, like I have to go
through this exactly. It's kind of like that.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
Start.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
But also as a tatoo artists. Sometimes when people have
the T shirt, it's easier for me to work, you know,
because they don't move. They are not like feeling anything
any any pain.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
No jams quick, no, here we go here.

Speaker 4 (05:26):
So it's like, you know, it's like a combination of feelings.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
I think it's a cop out and it's lame.

Speaker 6 (05:34):
Yeah, agreed, agreed.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Okay, So question back to you.

Speaker 6 (05:41):
Did you start as a visual.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Artist, you have a background drawing, painting, or were you
kind of like no, I fell into this.

Speaker 4 (05:51):
Well, it's kind of like the story like how I
got into tattoos. Obviously, I have been drawing all my life,
since I was a little kid. I think since I
was I don't know, since I have memory. I was drawing,
you know, like cartoons or like movie characters from Disney

(06:11):
and always since I was a little kid, I was drawing.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
And then.

Speaker 4 (06:17):
I like left drawing. You know, I stopped drawing for
many years because I started here, you know, working. I
was in the insurance industry that has nothing to do
with arts. No, so I stopped. And then obviously what
I did is that I wanted to get at the too.
And later I'm gonna tell you like the story how

(06:39):
everything started about It's a pretty cool, cool beginning, and
how I got to later on.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
No better time than now, no better time than how
are you feeling. I'm feeling great.

Speaker 5 (06:53):
A couple of strokes and no pain.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
So we've done a couple of tattoos with Chris before.
The funny part is it the last tatoo I got
was a tiny black heart and tells it perfectly. I
keep going into Chris's tattoo shop, going through like five
stencils and leaving with a little black heart. But the
last one was on my rib, and I thought it
was gonna hurt like hell. But Chris is so gentle

(07:18):
in his touch as an artist that I just laughed
the whole time.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
It was really tracking funny.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
We had a blast. We had a blast.

Speaker 3 (07:28):
Well should we divulge what it is we're getting tattooed?

Speaker 2 (07:33):
All right? So Ever since I was a little girl,
I've grown up very and you know, people know, I've
grew up very close to my grandparents. My mom was
a single mom, so that meant that a lot of
the time they had to split the parental responsibilities with her.
When I went to the doctor, usually it was my grandfather,

(07:53):
my grandmother going with me if I was sick at school.
The people who were picking me up with them every
single concert that I had, every single everything that I had,
my grandmother and my grandfather were the first ones there
going nice. So being me and a little bit of
a strange person, I was aware of death at a

(08:15):
pretty young age, and I would kind of talk to
my grandma about, you know, like not really wanting to
do life without her. And she used to always tell
me that Amhita, not you my WOI yo, Mike, look MoMA,
which translates to, you know, don't worry because I'm not
going anywhere. When I leave, I'm going to turn into

(08:36):
a seed. And it's something that she used to tell
me all the time as a kid. A couple of
years ago, we were just talking about you know, like
we get into like hour long conversations, her and I
because she's just the coolest, and we were talking about
life again and she goes, you know, kind of like
calling back to my younger years, you know, ha ha,

(08:57):
but don't worry, because you know, I'm going to stay
here a little seed way I get out of And
so I thought I realized I had never asked her before,
and I was like, a Willa Nias, what kind of
seed would you be? And she stops and she thinks.
She's like, hmm, So Chris is here and he's designed

(09:24):
this two peaches on a tree on a branch, which
symbolizes me and my grandma and the incredible bomb we've
always had. And one of the peaches is cut open
with the seed exposed, and obviously that one is her,
and you know, just the feminine symbol of the peach,

(09:44):
and obviously the fact that we're women.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
I love that. I love tattoos that not only have
concepts that mean something to you, which is one of
the first things that I say when anybody asked me
about tattoos. I'm like, it may not always come out
per faked, you know, it fades over the years, blah
blah blah, but if it means something to you, to me,
that is such a powerful way.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
You know, you don't choose your nose.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
You don't choose you know, your height, your body. But
I can decide to have this art, this energy, this
moment be a part of me forever. I think that's powerful.
I think it's rock and roll. It's not for everybody
but for me. You know, everybody's excuses always, oh what
if you get tired of it later? Like, I'm never
going to get tired. You have it on your forearm,

(10:29):
my first tattoo my grandma designed, which you know.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
To me, I look at this and I remember her.
I think of her.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
How funny. I just realized we both The place that
I chose to get this is the same place where
you got your grandma's tattoo.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Yeah, but it's not a portrait of your mom, who
then decided to say, get me, I'm blindfold. I don't
want to see what happens in the bedroom.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Has a literal half of her mom's face on her forearm.
The amount of times we've drawn a mustache on that, Yeah,
well here's talking about laugh Chris, you got a needle
in your hands.

Speaker 3 (11:04):
All right, We're gonna do this thing during the episode
called the Painometer where we check in to see how
you're feeling. Jam painometer.

Speaker 2 (11:12):
What's the numbers and what are these?

Speaker 6 (11:13):
Zero to ten?

Speaker 2 (11:15):
I'm at like a two right now, you know? All right, Chris,
Like I said, Chris's gentle with it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:21):
Everybody says I have like a light hand.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Yeah, it's great, it's great, it's dangerous.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
Well, I can't be a tattoo artist because I like
rip through your flesh with my meat hands.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
So let's go back to Chris's story. I want to
I want to hear that juicy story.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
Is now a good time?

Speaker 4 (11:35):
Yeah. So, actually what happened was it was like a
time in my life that I was in a kind
of like in a low, low place, right, So I
was like kind of like figuring it out what I
wanted to do and kind of like a little bit lost.

Speaker 5 (11:55):
So I was Okay.

Speaker 4 (11:57):
One of the things that I wanted always to do
was to try and to travel to Brazil. But okay,
I'm gonna go visit Brazil. So I decided to learn Portuguese.

Speaker 5 (12:09):
Wow, I just decided to learn.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, I learned Portuguese. So it was okay, now I
can I can speak it. I'm gonna go and I'm
gonna get a tattoo over there, thinking that it's gonna
be a little bit like, let's expense when this is
your first tattoo.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
No, yeah, this was your first.

Speaker 4 (12:28):
Tatt I didn't have any tattoos.

Speaker 5 (12:30):
And why Brazil?

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Because I love the you know, like the culture, the music,
the language. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna travel and
especially since I learned Portuguese, like I'm gonna go to
Brazil and experience it over there. So what I did
is I searched in Google. I said, what is the
best tattoos shop? Being real, oh my goodness, and it

(12:53):
showed Kiko tattoo oh boy, which they have to to
show over there, right, So so I was, okay, I'm
gonna search it. He showed up and I was okay,
I like the work. I saw a guy that because
I wanted to do this type of style Polynesian stuff
right gorgeous. So I was okay, I found a guy

(13:16):
in that shop in Kikota too, so I talked to
him and he gave me the like the number four
of them of the manager. Right, so the manager I
started like speaking to her. She was okay, crazy, this
is gonna be this much like different sessions. I thought
it was like it's gonna be like in one day.
But now I didn't know anything about the toos. So

(13:39):
I was like, she was like, wait, but where do
you live? So I know, yeah, I'm in Miami, so yeah,
but you know Kikota too. It's in Miami. So as
I know is that I wanted to go with this
guy because you know he knows how to do this design.
Well no, no, but the guy that taught him how
to do it. It's in Miami and shop over there,

(14:00):
so okay, I'm gonna go there.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Convince me, okay.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
And what happened, I think in life, I learned that
everything happens for a reason, like everything, and I see
like everything that happened to me, it was like that,
you know, God, the universe, everything like was perfect. Because
that day I called them and they were like, okay, chrazy,

(14:27):
you're gonna want to do this tattoo. It's gonna be
like one Eddy right, a lettering. So I was like, okay.
So what happened was at that time, Kiko had two
older artists, right that they used to do like kind
of like the small small tattoos, letterings or like smaller designs,
and Kiko used to do like the bigger projects, right.

(14:51):
But that day, one day, like both of those artists
didn't like no, put on analyst too, you. They didn't
show up and Kiko's client canceled on him. So the manager,
which was his daughter. She was like, Chris, there's an

(15:11):
opening today. Can you come? And I was like, yeah, okay,
I'm gonna go. So I went and Kiko did data too,
and while he was starting me, I was like, oh,
I like, you know, I used to draw. That's one
of the things that I like to do. So he
was like, well, Chris, why don't you like bring me

(15:32):
some draw instande. If you're good, I can teach you
how touta too.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Like for for to be his apprentice.

Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah, but it was like super random because I can
teach you. Wow. And I was like what so what
he was that to me? What? It was like those
moments you know in life that it's like like the
light bulb, like oh man, And I was like, this
is what I'm gonna do. I decided at the moment
that was like my my calling. Yeah. And the funny

(16:01):
thing is that I used to draw, like I said,
when I was a little kid, you know, cartoons and
like simple stuff. So he was like, hey, but you
know how to draw realism right, like portraits and stuff.
And I was like, yes, of course I can't do that, okay,
So you know, like the different type of pencils to use.

(16:22):
I was, of course I know them, but I never
have you know, like I.

Speaker 5 (16:29):
Make it till you make it, baby, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
So he was, okay, show me in this day, come
here to the studio and show me the drawings. Okay, okay.
So I went to my house and I was in
YouTube how to draw realism, and I started like, you know,
like learning how to do it, practicing at my house.
And then on that day I went with some drawings

(16:55):
and I show him. But the funny thing is that
he was like that's money. He was Chris, I didn't
think you were going to show up. So but I I,
you know, I went to that day. I showed him
the ready and he was like, crazy, look like you
can throw. You have potential, but there's like there's another

(17:18):
level that you can go, you know. And it's funny
but I'm gonna say in Spanish, okay, okay, you have
been You know, your mom is the.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
One who thinks you can man like what like always
your you know, like your parents are always going to
think the best of you.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
You know that you're the best.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
But he's like, no, but you you suck, you cand
of suck. There's room to grow. But you know, you
have potential.

Speaker 6 (17:44):
How did you take that?

Speaker 5 (17:44):
Were you?

Speaker 6 (17:45):
No?

Speaker 4 (17:45):
It was super like for me, it was like okay,
it was a challenge. So he was like, look, Chris,
do this do go do this course of this guy
that he teaches how to do you know, like realisms
with pencil.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (18:03):
But the funny thing is at that time I was
super broke.

Speaker 5 (18:09):
Three years.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Supervise, so I didn't have the money to do the course.
But I found out that that guy had three to
tourists on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
So I took all those tutorists like I like devoured
those tutorials and I started like going into the studio
to draw, you know, to practice and draw, and obviously
because I wanted to be you know, in the environment
helping him just seeing everything. So like obviously my my
level of drawing like went.

Speaker 5 (18:42):
To the roof.

Speaker 4 (18:43):
And then it was okay, Chris, you're ready. And what
happens is that every time that I went, obviously we
bonded more. And it was a crazy I know that
you speak Portuguese, Spanish and English. You know, he says like,
you know, oh my my daughter is going you know,
she's not gonna be the manager anymore. Are you open

(19:06):
like to to be the manager higher and I was like, yes,
I want to do this, you know. So he was like, no,
go go home and think about it. That's that's okay,
I'm good about it. I can't I can't do it tomorrow.
And that's how everything started.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Wow.

Speaker 4 (19:25):
I went for my first two on an appointment.

Speaker 5 (19:29):
And then first gig.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
See will be that I found my you know, I
found my mentor and and my life changed completely.

Speaker 6 (19:51):
Are you feeling, babe? Good?

Speaker 2 (19:53):
A matter of three?

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Growing up a little.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
We're working crazy, you.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Know, you know what great, great, great moment, Chris. What's
something that you would tell somebody that's thinking about getting
their first tattoo?

Speaker 4 (20:11):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (20:11):
Man, do it.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Anything that they should know when they're thinking about what
together or maybe what artists to look for?

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Okay? Yeah, So I would say the first thing you
see is to decide what you want to do and
find and have a clear vision of the style. And
also because of that, you can find an artist that
is going to specialize in that style. For example, there
is for example, I do find line, but I don't do,

(20:42):
for example, Japanese tattoos or like traditional Japanese, so I
cannot do what tattoo on that style or someone, because
the best way it will be to find someone that
specializes in that style. So yeah, it's like to find
find what you want to do, find the artist that
is capable of doing that style style. And obviously, you know,

(21:04):
having having a conversation with the artists about the idea
where you want to like represent, visualize, and a good
artist is always going to be patient with you and
it's going to be Okay, let's this is the vision,
this is what you want to do. Okay, let's let's
make it happen in an artistic way, you know, yeah,
for sure.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
And when thinking about what's the first tattoo, you know,
like there are a lot of different kinds of tattoos
that you can get. There are tattoos you can get
kind of on a whim, a little bit of an
impulse idea, well, I's just get a tattoo, because why not.
Then there's the you know, the more sentimental, the more

(21:46):
thought out tattoo. Do you do you recommend against or
for any of those?

Speaker 4 (21:54):
Man is that it's always like kind of like two ways.
The first one I would say, which is the one
that I would recommend is obviously to think about the
design and planet, you know, in order for you because
obviously it's gonna be forever. Also to never regret it.

(22:18):
But there's also those times that maybe it's like that
memory that is going to be in the future, you know,
like oh that crazy day that I went with my
friends and blah blah blah exactly, maybe the design is
not going to be that good.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
You know who's touch In my case, Yeah, the needle
was way too far out, so it just stabbed my skin,
but there was no ink.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
He scarred us, He scarred us all, but the ink
didn't stay, so we all had to get him covered up.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Well.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Gema always told me, like what you were just saying,
like I always have done research. It's a fine artists
that I like their style, and then I like to
create a concept or an idea and also let them
play a little bit, because for me, I love when
the artists is at their best or like doing something
that they're comfortable and excited about. But I will say

(23:09):
not that I'm anywhere near as qualified as you ask
somebody with tattoos and who started getting tattooed pretty young,
like my brother started getting tattooed at sixteen I think
I was nineteen. Yeah, me to something like that. And
you know, I was talking to my family about it,
and my mom and she's like, you know, it's forever,

(23:29):
it's your first tattoo. Why don't you get a stencil?
And there was a website that you send in the
design or near the design nice and it kind of
makes you like a hennah that's like darker that stays
on your skin for a few weeks, a couple of
weeks and you can kind of test areas see if
you like it. And I always say, you know, if
you're going to go into the world, why not, especially

(23:52):
if you're young, you know, maybe that's something that you
could try out see if you like it's it's a
good option, you know.

Speaker 5 (23:59):
So that's what I would say.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
But definitely, yeah, do research on the artists. Make sure
you vibe with them. That one impulse tattoo that we
got we regret.

Speaker 5 (24:09):
Were well, yeah, like I had to cover up.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
I mean we talk about it all the time.

Speaker 5 (24:14):
Yeah, I haven't cover I mean, hello.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Why are you laughing here? You have a needle?

Speaker 3 (24:19):
He knows, you know what's funny though, even just like
you said, even that story of the fed up tattoo.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
It's still a.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
Great memory, right, Yeah, that's a great And the real
funny thing is, which is you missed the best part
of the story. Me and Jem and Jem's sister were like.

Speaker 5 (24:35):
Oh my god, we want to get tattoos.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Well, let's go like right now, right now. And Amber
was like I can't, like I have to work. And
we're like, all right, all right, we'll go tomorrow. And
I think that Gemini took like some mean pills that morning.
I don't know what the hell was up with us,
but we decided, fuck Amber, Gem's sister, We're just gonna
go ourselves.

Speaker 5 (24:54):
And get tattoos.

Speaker 8 (24:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
I know, it gets worse.

Speaker 3 (24:56):
You want to hear what assholes we are.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
We went and got the tattoos.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
Mine was this little Adam back here, and that's when
Jem got her little hexagon.

Speaker 6 (25:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:05):
Yeah, we got the tattoos, Chris, and then we decided
to show up at her sister's job to rub it
in her face. So Amber got so mad that we.

Speaker 5 (25:14):
Did that that we we told her, you know what,
it doesn't matter that we just got a tattoo.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
We'll go tomorrow and we'll get another one with you
like back to back, and that's the guy who fucked us.
And so there you go, guys. First of all, that
was the universe telling us, don't be mean.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Don't mean Okay, so you both said something. You said
you said that it's permanent. But wait what but there
are two things technically that you could do if you
get a tattoo that you don't like, one of them

(25:51):
being a cover up and one of them being a
tattoo removal. What do you think about both of them.

Speaker 4 (25:57):
Chris, depends see on the on the case. But I
also just always, uh, cover up, yeah, because usually to
remove is gonna be so why's or three times it's painful,
more expensive, and it's gonna take months to do because
it's it's not like you go one day and it's okay,

(26:19):
it's up. It's months and it's never completely yeah exactly.
So if if that design is not like like, if
it's possible to cover it up, I will cover it up.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, it will be better.

Speaker 3 (26:33):
I also know that that's been something that I've found
that certain artists are a little bit more touchy about.
Like when I was looking to get this covered up,
an artist that I think is incredible that I love
whose local as well, was like, you know what, I
just don't do cover ups because I guess her style,
which I understand her style is so you know, minimalistic,

(26:57):
and like how are you going to cover up something
if there's no shading or there's no big that's another
thing that and you can tell me, like, if you
cover something up, from my understanding, doesn't have to be
like twice or three times as big.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Usually yes, it has to be a little bit bigger
because usually when you do a cover up, it's not
only like two put for example, like a stamp on
top of the altar too. But also the idea is
like with a new design, you're gonna distract the eye.
So for example, let's say I have a piece here, right,

(27:33):
If I just do like one black stuff here, the
eye is always going to concert here and everybody usually
everybody's gonna know that it's gonna be a cover up.
But if I do, for example, a floral, it's gonna
be so people are gonna be all, you know, this
this flower is beautiful, The is gonna be nice. But

(27:53):
with the leaf's gonna cover up the auto too. So
at the end the person is gonna end up with
a new this looking at the flower. Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Well here, like on my right wrists, I have about
a one inch key and it serves as the center
of a scare up.

Speaker 5 (28:12):
It's about the smallest part of the.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
Tattoo, and if you really look, you can still see
a little bit of it under but you would never know.

Speaker 4 (28:17):
No, yeah, I wouldn't know.

Speaker 5 (28:19):
You know, shout out Epic.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
You did my half sleep, he did my album art. Yeah,
I see like I feel like all those people are
a part of me. You're inside of me now.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Chris, Chris, what's your least favorite and favorite tattoos that
you've ever gotten given anyone? It's okay, you can say
it's like I don't want to say it, do you?

Speaker 6 (28:47):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (28:48):
How about your favorite?

Speaker 4 (28:50):
Oh man? Is that as difficult?

Speaker 2 (28:51):
I always say, or a memorable one when you really
carry with you?

Speaker 4 (28:57):
Always when I do on new tattoos like oh man,
I love it. But always it's usually when it's like
a bigger piece here, you know, like a nice ornamental
piece here. I have done a lot of like scar
cover ops for women, which those I love because it's
very it's beautiful to see the change that that you

(29:18):
can you know, the impact that you can do's gorgeous
and like change, you know, like the loud steamer of
And obviously I do microrealism with every single piece I
love because I can create a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
And it's like very and it's like the blending of
a lot of different techniques too, right, because I'm shading
your fine line.

Speaker 4 (29:44):
Yeah exactly, that's it's epic.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I mean, I'm just looking at your work right now
on my realistic pitches. My god, gam it looks amazing. Yeah,
the seed looks I could never Okay, so well skip
less favorite.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
No leads's favorite is not like least favorite. But I
will say like maybe like simple simple stuff like like a.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
Black cart no.

Speaker 5 (30:14):
Roasted and has black hearts all over.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
That was fun. That was that was fun?

Speaker 2 (30:20):
Okay do you think that? Do you think that eighteen
is too young to be able to get a tattoo?

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Pretty understand if that person knows exactly, because I have
met people you know eighteen, Yeah, that they know exactly.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
What they want the style, like they said their research exactly.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
If it's like that, Okay, if not yet, it's better
to wait because you say that eighteen. You go with
the floor with you know, by your friends, right, and
then you get something that is not going to be.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Maybe you're not going to want to have.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Okay, follow up question, I want to know about the myth.
Well maybe it's not a myth, but about tattooing drunk
people are drinking and getting.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Oh yeah, is that true, because we've heard that you're
not supposed to drink.

Speaker 4 (31:04):
Yeah, because you bleed. No, yeah, the you know, like
the blood gets thinner. So yeah, usually when someone comes drunk,
which it doesn't happen you know that much. Yeah, that's good,
but we have to say no because of that, and
also because we don't know if that person is you know,
holy concio. But also if I'm going at the two

(31:27):
end that that person is bleeding a.

Speaker 5 (31:29):
Lot, you can't see anything.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Yeah, everything's gonna be messed up. So we usually we
don't recommend to do it.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I can see why somebody would watch you though.

Speaker 6 (31:41):
Yeah, so it hurts less.

Speaker 9 (31:43):
Yeah, you know, it's not that it hurts, it's like
it's the same sensation, nagging, same like in some places
it feels like a massage.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Oh really, what place is that kind of like what
he just did right now was kind of nice. It
was like a little vibration. Yeah, you see, I so
that other places are such a sweat.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
I kind of like the feeling, but it can't get
intense and moments. It's a mental thing too.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
You know what, I actually hate the most out of it.
But when he wipes it off, with the wiping every
time of the paper, that's my least fam Do you
know what million dollar ideas We design a new paper
towel that's just for tattoo artists. It's for like, you know,

(32:33):
sensitive skin, some kind of like towel material, Japanese sill,
like a Google something, some alternative texture. Because once yeah,
it'll be nice. Once you're there, you know, hitting the
same spot repeatedly. You don't want anything else there?

Speaker 3 (32:54):
Happy to report something amazing?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Yeah, are you jealous? How are you doing preparing for yours? Mentally?
You nervous?

Speaker 5 (33:04):
Your elbow?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Kind of happy that pupping your elbow?

Speaker 5 (33:08):
No, it's okay.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I think it's far enough away.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
Wow when he goes again.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
No, but wow, that came out gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
I love watching this. Who was the first person that
you gave a tattoo to?

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Myself?

Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (33:26):
And what did you what did your tattoo on yourself?

Speaker 4 (33:30):
I did a Harley Davidson logo because I had to do,
you know, a design that it was more like a
vector one.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
And why did you Why did you choose that? Because
at the time agree with you cycle?

Speaker 4 (33:46):
I was I was trying to learn how to ride
a motorcycle. Oh my goodness, I'm gonna do Ali Davidskay,
you know get tattoos.

Speaker 2 (33:54):
Yeah, so how did the motorcycling go?

Speaker 6 (34:03):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
He was a motorcyclist long enough to have a Harley
Davison tattoo and that was about it. I love that.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
That's pretty epic.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
When you started a tattooing. So then how long ago?
How long has it been in total?

Speaker 4 (34:16):
Well, I went, yeah, I went to the studio for
my first two two thousand eighteen. Oh wow, yeah, twenty
eighteen and basically came twenty nineteen. That's when I started
to toin.

Speaker 5 (34:29):
Wow, not so long, that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, what's the longest session you've ever done?

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Man?

Speaker 4 (34:37):
I had a client that he came from Canada to
get at attoo, so he was a Christy. I have
only two days. I need used to do as much
as possible on this sleeve. So the first day it
was a nine hour session. Wow, I was like, oh
man for both second day eight hours but yeah, kind

(35:02):
of that was the longest, the longest one that happened.

Speaker 3 (35:05):
And that must have been hard because I are you
supposed to wait in between for it to heel.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yeah, but since it was like, you know, like one part,
I was like, you know, don't doing this part?

Speaker 2 (35:16):
And then the next day, poor guy and poor you.

Speaker 4 (35:21):
Oh no, yeah he was, but he was tough. He
got it done.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
And yeah, wow, do you have like a dream tattoos
that you want to give somebody or is there like
a style that maybe you want to conquer?

Speaker 4 (35:43):
I think the style that I'm doing always the every
day I learned and I grow, and you know, I
develop more on the style of course. Always I want
to to get to that.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, aometer check in.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
We've gone from a two to five.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
No, No, we went from a from a two to
like a four. Now we're like at a five.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
You're getting there, though, I know you're doing great, baby grown.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah, we're almost done.

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Look at that.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
Oh god, I'm gonna ship myself.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
I don't like this one.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
You know, like, what's the lines? Yeah, yep, what's that?

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Why is that one so rude?

Speaker 6 (36:24):
Babe?

Speaker 2 (36:25):
How do you feel?

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Look?

Speaker 3 (36:26):
Tell the people out there right now when you get
to this point at a tattoo, do you feel like
you're mentally being challenged?

Speaker 5 (36:31):
Like is it that painful?

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Or no?

Speaker 2 (36:33):
I definitely think it's taking some deep breath. They're actually
pretty shallow.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
And some you know, tolerance for pain. Can you tell
people what it kind of feels like? Can you compare
it to anything?

Speaker 1 (36:51):
No?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I really can't. I don't. It's like I said, it's
like more of going over the same spot.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Can I give you what I think? It kind of
feels like, imagine if you took a tiny rubber band
and you like whacked it against your skin over and
over and over.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Oh no, no, because it's such a time. It really
just feels like if you're scraping stew with a needle.

Speaker 5 (37:13):
I don't know, well pretty much what it is, go
lapcris well kind of like a cat? Like, oh god,
it does kind of.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Feel like cat does kind of feel like a like
a scratch.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Well, it looks bad ass, So get it together, bitch.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
It does, doesn't it? You know? It was better for
me when I was talking through it because it didn't
hurt as much.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
No, it's also getting to the he's going over what he's.

Speaker 5 (37:38):
Already needs, scraping it with a favorite down.

Speaker 4 (37:44):
Here you go.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Wow, wow, Art all done, Jem is complete.

Speaker 5 (37:54):
It's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Wow Wow, it's gorgeous.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Now, so we're gonna do the sleeve.

Speaker 3 (38:06):
I can.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I can relax now, mistress. Here we fucking go.

Speaker 5 (38:32):
All right, guys, we're back.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Jem's done. I'm sure she's feeling warm.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
Calm.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
A little cameo from Chris. Little Chris cameo. Chris cameo.
Round two. This is fun. Yeah, join this fork.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Okay, So I'm gonna tell you what my tattoo is.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
But he's starting.

Speaker 5 (38:53):
I told him start on the worst part so you can.

Speaker 6 (38:55):
Get it out of the way. I should have done
that too.

Speaker 5 (38:58):
All right.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
So I I don't have any musical tattoos, which I
think is wild because it's one of the most important
parts of my life. And I was thinking about it
and I was like, the reason why is because obviously
I love, you know, like musical symbols and stuff, but
I don't know, like a treble clef or an eighth note.
I don't want to just put music notes on me,

(39:19):
and I want to think about how music really makes
me feel. So I think I like kind of dreamt
part of it yesterday and this morning I woke up
and I started very poorly putting the concept together, and
Chris executated it so beautifully.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
But here's what it is.

Speaker 7 (39:35):
I have the actual patent, like the blueprint for a
record player, and then I have a circuit board like
connecting right into another source, which is me.

Speaker 3 (39:48):
Right, So figure one, which is the record player, which
is how exactly how it is in the patent. It's
connected to figure e, which is me, which is a
source of the energy. So I'm really excited. It's a
really unique shape. It's fitting in between my other tattoos.
It means a lot to me.

Speaker 6 (40:07):
It's very cool.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
I'm really excited for you guys.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, has really taught me a lot about tattooing. She's
really opened my world to it, because I'm sure you
can tell just for talking to her. She is a
person that introduced me to the fact that you have
to do some research on your artists and make sure
that it's somebody that knows what they're doing, and she
takes it very seriously and she also respects it as
a craft. Every artist that I've ever seen her get

(40:32):
a tattoo from she always presents them with an idea
and then says, okay, but now you do your artwork,
which I think is really cool because you know that.
I think that people become more invested in the work
that they're doing that way. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
And also for us as the to artists, I think
that's like the best stup of clients. Yeah, and they
gave you, like, Chritz, look, this is the idea, but
go for you. You know, it gives you that freedom. Okay,
I'm gonna do my best, but it's like open to
the creation process.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
You know.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (41:13):
See like that to me feels good as fuck.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
You see, there's some that fields, there's some lines that
feel good. No, it hurts, and the sidelines agrees.

Speaker 6 (41:21):
It's also yadded.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
Yeah, Chris has some cool tattoos. It hurts, but it
hurts good. I know how to describe it. That's why
when people are like, oh.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
But all this other pain, I'm like, oh, you cry
when you pluck your eyebrow.

Speaker 5 (41:33):
Yeah, I don't get the sick ass art.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Yeah, there's like a painful pleasure totally.

Speaker 5 (41:39):
If you're not convinced yet to go get a touch. No,
I'm kidding.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
Something else I think is super rad about Chris, and
maybe you can give us some more information on is
all the different.

Speaker 5 (41:51):
Ways to tattoo.

Speaker 3 (41:53):
We have a few friends actually that have told us,
you know, when they're traveling abroad in Thailand or other
places in the world, there's different ways to tattoo. And
I know that you have one. I wish you guys
could see. Go on his instagram Chris Cirero tattoo. His
tattoos look like they're three D. They look like they're
like they tattooed into his veins. But anyway, what's that

(42:17):
style tattoo? I think it's with a hammer or Something's
a little more about that.

Speaker 4 (42:22):
We're like the most common ones and also ancient ones.
And that's kind of that's why I kind of have
those those two styles, which is Polynesian style in Japanese,
so they use, for example, Polynesians, they use something that
is called tatao and that's actually that's actually from there,

(42:46):
you know, you know the word tattoo. When they found
out about you know, those tribes and everything. They call
that tatao because it's it's a stick, right, and he
has the needles like this, there's another person stretching the
skin and they put it here and then the area
goes and that sound, you know, that's what they call

(43:07):
it tatao because it comes from that sound then eventually
turn into tattoo.

Speaker 5 (43:13):
Wow, that's really.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
The more you know, uh huh. So also they were like,
you know, warrior tattoos in the Japanese they call it
that the body, but there's a little bit different. It's
a stick. They put the needles and then it goes
like and things like that under and actually this one,

(43:40):
I'm doing it like this. So all the lines were
made with the machine, but the colors and the and
the shading is done the traditional way.

Speaker 5 (43:50):
It's a bunch more painful.

Speaker 6 (43:54):
Me like, you have no idea and and and.

Speaker 4 (43:58):
The thing is that it takes a lot of time.
So I'm like, you know, getting the pain, and he's
like half an hour and then I see and it's
just like one little spot, you know, because he has
to go little a little.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
I feel like a little posty. Where are we all
the pinometer?

Speaker 5 (44:16):
I mean, after that story negative five. I don't want
to know without I don't want to make the man
with a needle.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
No, no, where are you zero to ten?

Speaker 4 (44:30):
No?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I'm good right now.

Speaker 5 (44:31):
I am maybe one.

Speaker 6 (44:35):
When he gets wow, one with all his faces.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Well, when he gets four, he gets.

Speaker 5 (44:39):
Towards the that's just my way.

Speaker 6 (44:41):
We're gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
When he gets towards the end of the line where
the little bouritas are. You know, that's an interesting feeling,
interesting location. But these are tiny lines. It's nothing that
you can't get through in one second, right, It's true.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
They are sim you know, like not a lot of shading.
No that I'm shading experts.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
There.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
There's a couple of places that are like blackout, which
like feeling. They're like yeah, like you like, you know, okay,
are you ready? Do you tattoo people's faces?

Speaker 1 (45:12):
No?

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Any what?

Speaker 6 (45:15):
What are your non negotiables?

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Come on, we want to know them all any any
anything that you say no to, any art that you
say no to.

Speaker 4 (45:23):
Yeah, placements of course, like you know, weird places or
like face face tattoos, some that a lot of people
are like what really is finger tattoos? But like on
the side, on the side, there's placements that because obviously

(45:44):
those those type of places they fade or like the
healing process is usually not that good. So I don't
want like, you know, to charge someone you know, a
price and I know it's gonna fade, you know, So
I'm like, no, you know, it's better to do it
in a place so you can have it, you know, forever. Yeah,

(46:04):
but I would say, you know, weird places or if
it's like sometimes like weird.

Speaker 8 (46:11):
Symbols, yeah, nah, like moral you have a moral line, Yeah, yeah,
because obviously that whatever theatoo that I'm gonna do represents
me outside.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
You know.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Why do people also I've heard some ooh ah yeah yeah, yeah,
I still one.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
No, I just wanted to say what I have a
feeling I'm going to be at a seven and say
shoes at are one.

Speaker 5 (46:38):
No, No, you'll know, trust me.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I'll start like curious as to the faces, and you're
still saying you're one.

Speaker 5 (46:45):
The faces are nothing to do with that tattoo.

Speaker 3 (46:51):
Well see, some tattoo artists also have told me that
they stop at the risks like they want to do hands.
Like my brother has a chain saw, what's this part
of the hand called like on the top on the
top of it. Yeah, would you want to would you
want to top of the hand chains on him?

Speaker 5 (47:11):
No, I don't want any I'm not the bones, top
of the hand anything. No, thank you. Yeah that's hurts.

Speaker 6 (47:20):
Yeah, I could hurt. Chris.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
You have black and white and colorful tattoos, and you
have a preference as as somebody who.

Speaker 6 (47:28):
Has tattoos and also as a tattoo artist.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Or you're kind of like either whatever, you know, whatever
people like that. Do you like giving color tattoos?

Speaker 6 (47:38):
Do you like giving black tattoos more?

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (47:40):
I don't. I don't usually do like too much color tattoos.
But yeah, it depends obviously on the on the style
and the idea.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
How come what what what is it about color tattoos?
I personally don't think i'd get a color tattoo. I
kind of like the whole Black and Me Too sketch book.

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Look, yeah, it's because I like it more. Yeah, And
also I think about colors, especially here in Miami, it's
the sun, so that always see colors. The only bad
thing is that there's two things. The skin too has

(48:20):
to be a little bit lighter, and also if you're
exposed too much to the sun, usually that color is
going to kind of like burn or fade.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Lessons everyone who has a tattoo or is thinking about
having a tattoo. So that leads me to my next question,
which you actually sparked now with what you've just said,
which is what's the best way to take care.

Speaker 6 (48:43):
Of a tattoo? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (48:46):
Yeah, I always always see I'm gonna put, for example,
a plastic at the end. It's like a cover. Yeah,
so you have to leave that for a fresh tattoo,
you mean, yeah, for a fresh tattoo, you leave that
for a couple of days. Then the nose or that
don't obviously try not to swear too much, avoid so

(49:08):
in full beach, especially here in Miami, I have clients
that they're like, okay, yeah, I'm gonna take care and
I see in their in their instagram in a boat whatever.

Speaker 5 (49:19):
The beach.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Long usually like a week or a week and have okay,
that's another thing, but on sunscreen.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
But on sunscreen, you know.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
And then once you're putting it on your tattoo, go
ahead and put it on your face.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Why not?

Speaker 4 (49:33):
And also that's the other thing about tattoo is like
you can make a good piece of good work that
the toy is beautiful, but if people like they don't
take care of that tool, that's gonna mess up everything.
So it's also like two parts of the process, the
client's part that has to take care of that of
the tattoo, and obviously the artists. Yeah, but both of

(49:58):
those elements of both of those faces are super important,
you know, totally you know something about tattoos because most
people don't know. And what I find very interesting about
this type of art is that it's super super inncient,
like it's not new. You know, they have found like

(50:21):
the I think it's like the oldest Mummy. It has
like around I think I don't know if I'm correct,
but it has like seventies tattoos on her skin. Wow hot,
and the mummy is like five thousand what you know,
like like lines, yeah, like different.

Speaker 6 (50:40):
Parts, shapes and stuff.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
But that means that since I think since the beginning,
humans have always.

Speaker 6 (50:48):
You know, that's interesting.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
You see, like all the cultures either by painting or
or scars.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
They do that scars vacation.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
So he's something that is I don't know, I think
it's something that is inside that's interesting.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
I like the way that I'm looks at it a lot.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
I like, you know, I like it to be the
thing that you.

Speaker 6 (51:10):
Get to choose to do with yourself.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
I also think that your tattoos say a lot about
you and your interests.

Speaker 6 (51:17):
The great conversation starters. I mean, I'm house of this tattoo,
that I love this tattoo.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
When you're tattooing right next to right above of the
you want to share that concept maybe with the concept
of those three are it's an incredible thim sure.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
And that's another thing, like if you're thinking about getting
a tattoo, we're living in the day and age too,
where Like I know certain artists who it's helpful when
you send them a reference, right, Like, I'm sure it's helpful.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
In a ton of ways, right.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
But this one specifically that I'm that I'm going to
share with you was also something that I have the
original drawing and it was literally looked like a scribble.

Speaker 5 (51:55):
But when you put it next to.

Speaker 3 (51:57):
How the tattoo came out, it really makes a lot
of sense. And Chris just went over a letter he
already did, and I don't know why.

Speaker 5 (52:06):
I didn't feel that good, but.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Anyway, so.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
A belief system that I hold close to my heart
and I wanted to put on my body is how
I conceptualize the way that we as humans believe and
what that means. So there's kind of like a diamond
kind of shape, like kind of like the shape that
goes over a sim's head if you've ever played the Sims.
And in the middle of it there's a big saturn,

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and then on the top and on the bottom smaller
there's a seashell on top and a light bulb on
the bottom, and then kind of like an oval shape
kind of going around all of it, tying it, you know,
kind of together, and.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
You know it will be cool.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
We can post some pictures on our Instagram of our tattoos, yeah,
you know, not only our new ones, but the ones
that we talked about.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
I would love to see what everybody else has tattooed.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
Yeah, show us your tat anyway.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
So the tea is that a seashell, right, it exists
on earth or you know what we call it, seashell
to be.

Speaker 5 (53:08):
You can pick it up, you can touch it.

Speaker 3 (53:10):
And so I venture to guess most of you out
there and everybody in this room believes that a seashell
is real and exists.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Then there are things nodding Chris R.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Then there are things like planets or things that we
see photographs of that agencies like NASA or astronauts say,
you know.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
Oh yeah, this is a photo we took with a
telescope or whatever.

Speaker 3 (53:34):
But it's it's likely likely in our lifetime that we're
not going to touch the rings of Saturn or you know,
moon board on Mars or whatever. But anyway, but we
still believe that it's true, or a majority of people do,
because you know, we see photos and you know most

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people do believe.

Speaker 5 (53:57):
It as well.

Speaker 6 (53:57):
We believe because everybody else believes.

Speaker 4 (53:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
And then the last thing, which is represented by the
light bulb is your ideas, perhaps philosophies. You believe in religion,
you parta you know, you partaken whatever it is that
you're that you can never touch, that you can never
see in a photo, no primary sources for and yet
so many people still.

Speaker 5 (54:20):
Believe in them.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
But the thing that unites all those things is not
the item or the philosophy itself.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
It's the fact that we as humans believe in all
those things. That's what makes them real.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
Because the physical is not the only reality that we encounter,
which is also another reason why I'm like, guys, when
we're not here, you know, and we die, our skin
is just going to become dirt, So might.

Speaker 5 (54:45):
As well tie it up what we're here.

Speaker 3 (54:47):
But anyway, Yeah, so that's my kind of belief system
wrapped up beautiful.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
The idea behind the tattoo, Yeah, very well, I love
it so much, super.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
And then I have boobs right under that? What boobs where?
Don't kid?

Speaker 4 (55:03):
You know?

Speaker 3 (55:04):
I thought that part closest to my album was gonna
be worse, but now I'm thinking this little cross street
from the.

Speaker 5 (55:11):
Backside of my arm fore arm is gonna be the
funnest march right.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
So now we're really starting your record player, pat, Yeah,
we're in the home stretch here. The numbers look incredible,
the letters look incredible.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
I don't recommend to stop a lot when you're getting
a tattoo, because then you forget what it feels like,
and I have time to get.

Speaker 4 (55:34):
Like swollen and then a few sad.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Have you ever had somebody stop midway through a tattoo?

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (55:44):
No, one time?

Speaker 6 (55:45):
Yeah, well what was the tattoo?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
No, it was like it was a thing like a
crown on the arm and she was like she was moving.
For example, I was a twin in the arm and
she was Instead of saying like this, she was all
the lines there were oh messed up? Was oh my god?

Speaker 6 (56:06):
So did you even finish it?

Speaker 4 (56:08):
No? I no, no, I cannot go anymore. And she
never came back.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
I wonder if she's just rocking like half a crown,
half discombobulated a crown.

Speaker 5 (56:21):
She couldn't handle that, or.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Did she get a cover up or did you get
her Yeah.

Speaker 5 (56:25):
Exactly, cover up. I think she can handle a cover
up or she can.

Speaker 6 (56:29):
Handle tattoo lady, where are you?

Speaker 5 (56:32):
She has a kurt tattoo a cr cr that's hilarious.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
You know what I think would be a good idea
like a safe word, a safe word for a tattoo session.
Your client tells you peaches, and then that means like
stop immediately, I'm gonna sneeze, I have to cough or
to punch you.

Speaker 6 (56:55):
It is killing me.

Speaker 3 (56:56):
I want to run out of here and of them
peaches snowballing. Just then, idea, what about just stopped immediately? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:05):
Oh I guess I don't know. I just feel like
stop is also pretty abrupt, So like what if you
startle the tattoo artist stop, you know, like, ah, I
feel like, you know, teaches like gives your brain takes
a second. Oh all right, where are we in the paanometer?

Speaker 6 (57:25):
It's good.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
It's in waves like that when he grow this girl.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
You see, Okay, when you have to drag a line
like that is just fine.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
Honestly, it's just I love looking. But when you look,
you know you know what's coming.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
You're so funny. I'm so just mesmerized by Chris's lines. Yeah,
I want to do one.

Speaker 5 (57:48):
Nope, it's not one. No, nothing.

Speaker 6 (57:55):
You wouldn't let me do one of those dots?

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Too bad, they're already all done.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
Oh no, there's a there. I saw an amazing and
you kind of touched upon it earlier.

Speaker 3 (58:05):
But I don't know if you know more about the
side of tattooing, the medical tattooing world, because.

Speaker 5 (58:12):
There are a lot of women.

Speaker 3 (58:13):
Who, you know, have to have mestectomies because they have
breast cancer, and you know, their nipples are essentially either
gone or deformed. And I saw that there are tattoo
orters who are dedicating themselves to learning how to tattoo
these hyperrealistic nipples, and it's changing you back to the
self confidence. So I saw that these dudes who are

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really tatted were letting these guys.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
That were in training, guys and girls in training. Oh,
fuck your entire existence, these guys and girls that are
in training.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
I didn't talk to you like that.

Speaker 5 (58:47):
You did? Who said, I'm talking to him? Sorry? What
was they talking about? Nipples?

Speaker 3 (58:57):
Don't make the guy with the needleugh Anyway, So these
very tattooed people were letting these letting them tattoo essentially
just nipples on random places on their body.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
That's pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
I can practice, Yeah, yeah, so they and they would
cover them up after for free, you know. But it
was good for them to have the experience of practicing
on a body.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
You know.

Speaker 5 (59:18):
That's awesome. It changed.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
You could turn a nipple into a moon, You could.

Speaker 3 (59:23):
Turn a nipple into a lot of things. Does it
hurt more or less to tattoo or a scar?

Speaker 1 (59:28):
More?

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Right? Actually?

Speaker 1 (59:30):
Is?

Speaker 4 (59:32):
It's funny because for example, I do a lot of
you know, scars, cover ups and actually own the scar.
They don't feel it.

Speaker 5 (59:42):
Yeah, because it's none the nerves. Oh, I'm gonna feel
that in my nipple.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
It's more like around the scar that hurts.

Speaker 3 (59:52):
Guys, this is about to get really interesting because the
last line gets Yeah, it's a boy, It's gonna be fun.
It's kind of mean, man, she wanted this complex little
tea airport.

Speaker 5 (01:00:10):
This is part of the process, and.

Speaker 2 (01:00:13):
You're gonna go first.

Speaker 6 (01:00:15):
Whoa.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
Yeah, but I just stopped pretendingly. It feels good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I love that, Chris.

Speaker 5 (01:00:22):
It feels so good. I wish I could feel it
all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Yeah, I'm sure I really believe that. All of me
believes that you feel.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
Think of the places this would feel terrible.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
Your eyelids, your armpits, Oh yeah, your inside, your lips. Hey, hi,
how are you good?

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
It's turning into a burning, like tiny, tiny colony of
bees stinging me.

Speaker 4 (01:00:48):
Yeah, go off, Chris, Yeah, you've been great.

Speaker 5 (01:00:52):
Go off into the distance. Are far away from me.

Speaker 6 (01:00:58):
Basically, she's saying visits.

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
I gotta.

Speaker 5 (01:01:02):
Have a vacation. Why don't you go to Brazil? You
never got to go. It's another sign that helps a
little because you keep it up.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
I feel like tattoos are like running, where there's like
a moment where you hit a peak and like doesn't
hurt and then your everything just starts to go to hell.

Speaker 6 (01:01:27):
Yeah, I agree, it happened, but I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Actually, what's the weirdest reaction you witnessed painting?

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
Yeah, I saw a video of somebody fainting.

Speaker 4 (01:01:37):
I don't know. Sometimes people faint because of either they're
like too nervous or they don't eat. Oh yeah, that's
something important. You have to eat and have water too
before because sometimes the body reacts and it's like, you know,
the blood pressure goes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
I think the people that faint like a mental thing.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
I almost painted on my first one.

Speaker 5 (01:02:02):
Oh my god, I mean is this a Polynesian one?

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
No? No, no, it was more littering here, my god.

Speaker 6 (01:02:09):
So this is that we should ask the question.

Speaker 5 (01:02:14):
I feel like this is hot ones. I finally understand.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
Like Sean Evans, he always says when that show about
the people eating the spicy wings and the people are like,
this is what happens. You get us all messed up,
and then we answer questions like lunatics because your brain
is understand.

Speaker 5 (01:02:31):
You should ask me like my deep dark secrets right now.

Speaker 6 (01:02:35):
So m mm hmm. The other day, I'm just kidding.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
I know he's getting close to being done.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Yeah, so that's giving you like a boost of serotonin, give.

Speaker 5 (01:02:44):
Me a boost of sometonin.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Yeah, yeah, you're like a little happier and cheering.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
And the thing is that I really did enjoy the
whole thing, even the hard parts. That's why I fuck
with it. It's a process, it's a journey. It's like life.
They're good part, they're bad parts. There's blood. Yeah, there's lubricants.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I love how I love where either of us weat.
There's lubricants, there's tears.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
Oh, I remember I had a question for you ink.

Speaker 3 (01:03:17):
How has ink changed throughout the years, because I remember
when I first started getting tattooed tattooed? Holy shit, And
I guess it's been almost ten years now close to that,
there were like different inks or did they used to
have like chemicals or there stuff in there?

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
Yeah? Yeah, before you it was it was different. Now obviously,
like the standard of of the ingredients and everything is higher,
so companies in order like to produce them they have
to you know. And nowadays, for example, this ink, it's vegan,

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so they don't use any anymore products of things. Everything
always always a cleaner.

Speaker 5 (01:04:06):
Yeah, I heard the beatles like have like a red
dye or stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:04:11):
One more line.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
Well we've made it to the last line.

Speaker 5 (01:04:16):
Guys, if you've made it this far, thank you. We've
loved having you.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Yeah, we made it guys.

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
How fun was that?

Speaker 6 (01:04:27):
Wow?

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
That was epic?

Speaker 5 (01:04:28):
Well, Chris, thank you for letting us into your world
of being a part of our world. But before we
leave you, would you like to join us for our
special it's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Like about not out of Place where we found out
what's going on called space.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
Awesome?

Speaker 5 (01:04:43):
All right, guys.

Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
This week in Out of Space, it keeps getting saucier
and saucier, and we love sharing it with you. Scientists
have discovered a rare planet.

Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
That's around twice the size of Earth and covered by oceans.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
The planet named Ti seven three three B, also predicted
to to be Elon Musk and Grime's ninth baby name,
is just one of more than five thousand exoplanets that
we've known about since the nineties.

Speaker 5 (01:05:10):
Imagine, and some of y'all still think we're here alone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Come on, girls, Zorpus is gonna be pissed when he
shows up and he sees all y'all non believers out.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
There breaking news, NASA has found a bear on Mars.

Speaker 3 (01:05:24):
We have found a lot of weird objects and structures
in our universe, but scientists have found a formation resembling
the face of a bear.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Just kidding, guys, but look up the picture. It literally
does look like a bear.

Speaker 3 (01:05:37):
They say that it's actually a hill with a V
shaped collapse structure that appears like the bear's nose. The
two eyes are craters and the head a circular fracture pattern.
There is no known family relation as of yet to
Cocaine bear, but with all the rocks on Mars.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
The jury is out.

Speaker 5 (01:05:55):
Wow, guys, scary, but no one owns outer space yet?
But could space mining change that?

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
Led by the US, of course, a handful of countries
has sought to encourage a growing space mining industry, great
which could challenge old assumptions about the Solar system quote
for all mankind end quote. Private companies may soon contend
over rights to mine the Moon and.

Speaker 5 (01:06:20):
Other celestial bodies.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
Are you fracking kidding me?

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Get it? Get what I did there? Leave space alone?

Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Fix the Earth. Read a book about fixing the Earth
right and this has been epics crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
I don't know what I'm big at better every week.
There's no mining the moon, all right, Chris, thank you
for being here, of course, thank you for inviting me.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
Amazing and you guys.

Speaker 5 (01:06:52):
I hope this was informative.

Speaker 3 (01:06:53):
Whether you have tattoos or not, enjoy it because it's
a beautiful art form, ancient are form that you mentioned,
So welcome.

Speaker 6 (01:07:03):
See you next week.

Speaker 3 (01:07:04):
Bye.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
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