October 4, 2023 • 48 mins
This week, your favorite intergalactic gals are joined by a trend-setting, trail-blazing, fashion supernova: Karla Martinez de Salas. Once a starry-eyed fashion enthusiast, now Vogue Mexico and Latin America's editor-in-chief--or should we say, commander-in-chic--Karla has broken barriers all over the globe. How did Karla transform her out-of-this-world ideas into fashion statements? What is her secret to time management? Should she win an award for all her missed flights in the name of fashion emergencies? Does she have a secret alien muse? From rubbing shoulders with A-list celebs, to fashion dreams come true, to uplifting the voices of those needing to be heard most--Karla has done it all. Tune in for a style-packed conversation...and don't forget to dress to impress!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Object, I hate you the same. Let's go to Mandy
Ready for.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Launches, Ladies, gentlemen, everything in between. Today we have the
true privilege of welcoming a trailblazer in our community, a
woman uplifter, the luminous personality behind Vogue Mexico at the
helm of it all, someone who, beyond curating trends, has
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completely broken cultural barriers and set an example for women
Latinas everywhere. It is a huge honor of mine to
welcome Carlo Madrine de Salis, somebody I feel so lucky
to know.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Thank you so much, carl.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Car We're welcome, ladies, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I'm so excited to be in the space in the box.
Do you feel the anti gravity yet?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I do?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
I don't know what I feel.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I feel like I've been on like five planes in
the past couple of days, so you probably have.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Yeah, it feels like just another five planes and a marathon. No,
you're working through your leg cramps.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
It's not enough that she's creating trends and breaking barriers
in the fashion industry. I ask myself all the time.
I'm like, how many hours in the day is Beyonce have?
But ever since I met. You know, I also asked myself,
Carla can do marathons, and she can eat the way
she eats, and wake up the way she wakes up
and does the thing that she does, runs two magazines.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I can do it.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, and then I miss flights, go to wrong airports.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Do you really that? Yeah, one of my questions.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
I did that on Saturday. We can talk about that. Okay,
Well that's a great place to start.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
You do wear many many hats, both figuratively and literally. No,
but how do you balance, you know, your responsibilities, being creative,
being healthy, and how do you make it all happen?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
What's your secret?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Goodness, Well, I feel like I've always been. You know,
I'm definitely would not call myself type A. You know,
I do I type I try my hardest to make
lists on my phone or on a notebook, but I'm
kind of like, you know, the list is like this
versus down, you know, And it's funny. I'm married to
someone who's completely the opposite, so I think that really helps.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, but breathing, I wake up.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I try, and because I am traveling so much and
because I have I do have a lot on my plate.
I try and take like an hour to exercise in
the morning and kind of clear my mind before I
start the day. That has not happened in the past
couple of days, just because, as you said, I.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Just ran a marathon. So I'm tired. But it's hard.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I can't say that I'm that it comes out right
every time I think, I kind of improvise. I'm very
good at solving problems. Right now, I've been traveling for
ten days. My mom is with my kids, which is amazing,
and that brings me a lot of peace because they
love being with her. So like, if she's there, I
don't worry about that part, which is a ninety percent
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of stories right for me, So I kind of just
take everything as it goes. I have a great team
in Mexico that works with me, so I feel like
the magazine part seems to be easy.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
It's just like, you know, there's some weeks.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I don't know if you guys feel them too, Like,
for example, we did the Vogue shoot and it's like, Okay,
you got to travel, you got to get to the shoot.
Then the shoot and it's like on Monday, you're like, okay,
I just have to get through the week. Yeah, am
I going to get through the week? You know, kind
of taking it day deep and day by day. I
think that's the only way to survive, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
I think we know what to do on paper, we
know what works.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
It's the executing it that's hard. And from what I've
noticed a lot of very successful and creative people, they
do find the time to exercise and breathe and do
those other things so that it feeds the engine, you know,
like what you put in your body, food and sleep
and things like that.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I will say I went to a health clinic with
my sister in Germany at the end of the summer
that I had been dying to go to in Germany.
And I haven't drank anything, And not that I'm a
pretty moderate drinker, I would say, even though I don't
know what moderate, but I haven't drank for more than
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a month, and that has been super helpful. Like just
staying like focused, not being even if you go to
bed at one and you're at at a party and
you need to wake up at seven, you're good. Not
having something to drink is really helpful. Another thing that
people say, I don't do it, but into the Vogue
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podcast with Anna Winter, and she was saying she wakes
up at five, and I'm like, I just.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Wait, you don't wake up.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
There's a whole day in the morning.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And it's annoying because right now Mexico's two hours behind
the East Coast, which if you wake up at seven,
you have like a barrage of emails. Yeah, you know,
so speaking of balance, you know, like if I'm in
Mexico and you know, my husband gets home from at
eight thirty at night, I don't want to be like, hey,
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half an hour piece hour you to get at five.
It's like put the kids to get home, have dinner,
put the kids to sleep, have like your TV time,
you know, just like time to like unwine, sit in
bed and do nothing or read a book. And then
your husband comes home, we have to talk to them,
or your partner comes over, you know what I mean,
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Like you have to get you have to say something
like I missed that part.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
In the Manual of Marriage. You have to talk to them.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
So I feel like it's it's hard to go to
bed super early.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, no for me too, especially because I think of
everything I could be doing. I'm like, gosh, if I
just pushed it one more hour. Yeah, and I really
admire how you do it because, at least from the outside,
it seems like you're hitting the big three. You got family,
you got work, and you got health yourself. You know,
I'm like, Oh, and then on top of that, you're
just a mover and a shaker. So I want to
I want to talk a little bit about for those
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of us that don't know or those of you haven't
Heardo cover, which I'm sure you're exhausted talking about, but
it's just incredible because that cover changed I think, not
just how we in the community saw ourselves represented in
the media in general, but just broke past the glass
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ceiling as far as what we can look at is fashion,
what we can look at is beauty. So I think
it's incredible and I would love if you could share
just a little sneak, little preview of how that kind
of came to be.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
You know, I always I love talking about this because I,
as you said, I think I really say that there
was a before and after, especially in Mexico, as far
as like beauty standards. I think, you know, for those
of us that grew up in the US with Latino parents,
like if you ever went back to your parents' countries
like Mexico, cub about what the things you would kind
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of at least in Mexico, the things that people, you know,
you to watch the soap operas, and the white girl
was kind of the beautiful girl, the girl that everyone
aspired to be, and you know, the brown girl was
always like la miafea or the housekeeper. There were never
any like roles that you could that were aspirational. And
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I feel like and even when I moved there, like
even I grew up going to Mexico my whole life
with my with my parents going to hauatas we lived
across the border, and everyone be like.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Would you bring from the US? Would you bring from
the US?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And everything away that came from the US, so that
came from Europe was better. So beauty, fashion, food, everything right.
And I remember when I first started the magazine, I
would say, oh, let's do I don't know Shakidra, and
my boss at time would be like, oh, she's not
very vogue, and I'm like, but what does the deaf
and what does that mean? And what does that mean
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in twenty and sixteen, right, like what is a Vogue cover.
So I remember we I met Alphone Soquadonna in Berlin
in like twenty eighteen at a like this rolex fair
not fair, like this mentors and Protege thing where they
would have like a mentor and then their protege that
like worked with them for years actually really amazing program
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and it was like architecture, you know, film, et cetera.
And he's like, well, I have a really big project
coming out on Netflix. It was like the one of
the first movies that they released on the platform. And
I remember being in New York and my one of
the girls from my office said, oh, are you let's
do Yealita for the cover they're offering her. And I
(09:01):
was like, well, who's Yalita? How are we going to
put like someone whose name we don't even know, we've
never heard of on the cover, Like it's not going
to sell any magazines, I think because I was the
daughter of Mexican immigrants and my dad was you know,
moreno and my mom not some.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
More affair like me.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
But I never for one minute doubt said like she's
an indigenous woman, she can't be on the cover. On
the contrary, like to me, we grew up in the States.
That can be whatever you want, right, be on the cover.
You can be a doctor, you can be whatever you want,
an actor, actress. And so she said to me, well,
should we look into it. I was like, yeah, let's
figure out what to do. I just don't know if
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I can put someone who nobody knows the cover. And
I went to New York and I told a former
colleague and she said.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
To me, Oh, you would never put Yalita.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
On the cover, right, that's not Vogue.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah, And I was like, oh, what does she mean?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And so but then I knew what she meant. I
knew that she's like, or you put her with the
other girl all that's in the movie, the blonde one, right,
or the light skinned one.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
And I was like, you know what, we have to
do this. We have to put on the cover.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And so I called who I work and I was
put an exclusive on her. We have to shoot her.
So we developed the idea. We'd got an all Mexican
crew to do it. Door had just done the show in.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
France.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I love that, inspired by Asas, and we shot the
cover and she wore Door and we released it on
We released the first article about the movie on November.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Seventh, and I was home on a Friday night.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, looking at my Instagram and it was like fifty
sixty thousand, like amazing, Just people were so excited. I
was like, Okay, in a month, this is going to
be insane. And it was really like explosive, like my
only thing. I know, you're not supposed to regret anything.
But my boss at the time was like, you don't
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put her on the cover of Latin America because she's
very Mexican, and like they're going to say, like, why
isn't there an indigenous Colombian woman on the cover, which
in hindsight was a dumb decision because there were indigenous
people from Australia that make us for that cover. Like
it really did something not just for Mexicans, but for
indigenous women all over the world, and so I think
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it really broke those barriers and it was a really
exciting time and it really changed people's perceptions of beauty.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, right, you absolutely, and thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, I can't imagine in that position you had
just become editor in chief of Vogue like.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
A year prior.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I had been there for a year, and my boss
diuld say to me I hope you have a plan B.
And I was like, there is no plan B.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
This is it women. But that's how you get it.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
There's no other cover, you know, and and it's it was.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
It was. I don't think I was ever scared.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I just had no idea how big, powerful, how powerful
it was going to be.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
When when we were growing up and you know, we're
about to be thirty, we're still really young representation even
in American media for certain groups of people, you know, homosexuals,
any person of color too, any person of color, Indigenous people.
You're absolutely right about the roles.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
That they did have. You know, we're almost like demeaning
in a way. And then when there was.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
One role, it was like, oh my gosh, look at
this one, you know, shining beacon that we can hold
on to.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
But you said a quote, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
But about the power of realizing that taking back the
power of being the only Latina in a room or
the only Latino in a room that people can see
it in an intimidating way. But you kind of turned
it around and saying, no, that's a powerful thing. That's
something that we can use to show more of this,
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And like Jemini both said when you were telling the story,
your authenticity doesn't matter who it is that you're shooting.
I feel like you find something that's super authentic about
their heritage or about who they are.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
And you put it at the front.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
I can tell you from experience because I walked into
our shoot wearing my clothes, just my clothes, like cuba
tank top that was my mom's and jeans of hers
from the eighties that fit me perfect, Yeah, because tailored
to her body. And we're both like, you know, say tiny, tiny,
and you're like, you know what, we need to capture this,
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like this is a moment right here.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
And I'm like, but this is my clothes and you're like, yeah,
but it's real.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
It's the clothes has a story. And I think that
that's really really amazing about you. My question, after my
whole word vomit of that is how do you where's
the line of how far do you go before you fight?
While you're fighting against institutions, bosses, society, how do you
balance that line of fighting for what you know is
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right but also realizing that you have to face an army,
you know, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I think it's just kind of I think choosing your
battles right, and I feel like these are the ones
that you need, that you need to take risks on.
Like you know, we we did a cover also with
the mouche in from the state of Wohaka. MUSHes are
the third gender in Mexico, which my mom was like,
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and it's the third gender that's very widely accepted in Wahaka.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
It's very in you know, the too culture, in Hawaiian culture.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Too, and it's really interesting because no one even knew
that this third gender existed in Mexico. And I remember
they said, put it on the second cover. It made
Time magazine and it was on the second cover, and
it should have been on the first cover. And so
I feel like there's some things that you know, I
think are always super important. And to be honest, I
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have always been very much supported in in the decisions
we've taken, and I think that's so important to have
that support, maybe like the comment of like have this,
but I'm like, no, we don't have.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
There is no alternate. This is it.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
And I think those are the things that I think
have been really worth and there's and I always have
you know, this is the reason why we need we're
doing this and this is the reason why you should
support it.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
And I think.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
All those decisions that we've made have really paid off.
But as you said, you know, I think it really
has to be in an authentic way. I think you know,
there's pictures everywhere, right, there's how many pictures have you
seen of your mom? How many pictures do you see
of you guys? Like, now everyone's a photographer, everyone's making content.
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So the way we approach I like the example that
you gave of like that capturing you in your moment,
because that's the essence that we want to create, right,
Like I feel like in the day where you're just
like scrolling and scrolling, you need to like look at
images and say, like the way at least much older
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than you guys, but the way you would kind of
tear it out of the magazine, right, yeah, Like this
is an image that you'll forever remember. I think that's
the important thing that not only are we you like
I want to say, okay yaalza go, but how do
we want to portray?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You know?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
And I think for me, I don't like when clothes
wears people in real life and in magazines. I need
you to feel comfortable.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
That's why didn't make you.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, like I didn't, you know, want to make you
wear anything that you didn't like, because then you're like.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Yeah, you know comes off attitude exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
So I feel like that's like one of the most
important things to me.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I felt badass. Y'all killed it. You guys look bad at.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
They really did. That was an incredible, magical yea.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
For those of you who didn't know, we're talking about
the Vogue shoot for Mexico that Carla directed that and
her mom were on, which was phenomenal, gorgeous shot on film.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
If you haven't seen it by Alexander.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Hello, you were a part of it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I was a lucky person in the room. I was
just lucky to be anywhere near that place. So it
was a beautiful experience.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
It was really exciting, and I feel like I always
love capturing those moments of like mom and daughter, you know,
And I always say that, like I remember growing up
in Memphis. I think I told your mom this. I
remember going up in Memphis. We're talking about representation, and
my dad was a doctor and him and my mom
a surgeon, moved over from Mexico. Like for him to
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do his residency. We lived in Florida, then in Memphis, Memphis,
nineteen eighties.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
No Mexicans.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, my sister and I were the only ones
in the entire school. And not that we ever were discriminated. Again,
we were kind of like special girls in a way,
and my mom was like the Spanish teacher, and everything
was you know, very like.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Let's be real, if you looked a different way, maybe
that might have been a different experience.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, maybe if I was a little darker
or and but there was I never had like a
bad experience.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
But there weren't that many Mexicans there.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I mean, there were no Mexicans, and so it was
really interesting or not interesting, but it was very powerful
to hear the conga and like, oh, people are singing
a song in Spanish and I understand it and we're
sharing that that culture, and that was like there was
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a woman named Gloria Stefan that was like top of the.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Chart, and they had to fight their own fight.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Exactly if they made it look easy, and it probably
wasn't right.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Not from what I heard.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I wasn't around with my dad half of.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
My month's over, but the fact that that made me
really excited when I was younger, just just one thing
that changed the way you heard music and that made
you feel like there are Latinas in the US.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, killing it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
How full circle that as a child you were inspired
by her and now us were inspired by you.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yeah, so here you are.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
It was like when I met her, I was like,
this is really exciting because this changed so much when
I was younger.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, you know, you're somebody who's really proud of that,
like living in the hyphen something else idemire about you
and something that I relate to. You're not just Mexican,
You're not just American. There's a saying now that people
are saying, which is like we're the two hundred percent, Yeah,
not fifty of this or fifty of that. And how
do you can you speak a little bit about how
that's influenced sort of your the trajectory of your career,
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I mean other than the obvious.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
You know, I think growing up And I don't know
if you guys the same way in Miami, because Miami
is obviously like a bigger city than al pas I was,
but ol Pass was very bicultural, so like if you
don't speak Spanish, you ye are like especially odd man
out right same here. But when I did move to
New York and work in fashion, I have to say that,
like a lot of the Latinos, we were just kind
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of like going with the flow. We wanted to make
sure that we didn't stand.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Out that we're making too much noise, that we could
work just as hard.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
We weren't saying, like, you know, being so vocal about
like here I am, you know, like we'd say, I
mean your Mexican or your Colombian or what have you.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I feel like that was something that probably as Latinos,
our parents kind of taught us just go, you know,
assimilate and be you know, at least my parents were
very much, yes, assimilate, but keep your culture.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Bas their values the day.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Because I know that you fell in love with fashion
from really early on, right, like you used to play
with clothes and whatnot, And did you feel like certain
things were unattainable to you because your parents they supported
your creativity, right.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, they supported it, but they weren't sure like what
just working in fashion?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
What does that mean?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
You know?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And in growing up, it was like you either worked
in a store, you know, at the mall or you
became a fashion designer, and like you didn't know about
the endless.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Other careers that you could have, did you dream? I dreamt.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I was like, Okay, what am I going to do
this summer that was in college and my friend was like,
I'm interning at Nicole Miller. My mom got me the internship.
And I was like, oh my god, what my dad's
going to get me anything. I like started calling magazines
and someone picked up the phone. That's why I believe
in answering people back when they when they message you
DM whatever. And I this girl was like, oh, you
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go to school in Tucson. I'm from Tucson. Come up
for an interview. And I like went up for an
interview and I got the internship. It was like with
Alberta Freddi and John Paul got Mosquino, like that group.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
And that was like the first time that I had
like actual fashion. I was living in New York City.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It was nineteen.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
It was like the best summer of my life, you know,
like oh my god, like I'm here, you know, And
that's when I was like, Okay, this is what I
want to do. And I always say this because New
York's a really expensive city. And like my dad was
a doctor, and like we were I would say upper
middle class for El Paso. In New York, we're probably
like middle classes, right, Like everything's relative, But I will
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say I mean I had the privilege that my dad
was able to like pay for me for two months
to like live in like a you know, mouse mice
infested apartment with my friend.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
But like, but still so many people did it.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
So many people don't have that, So many people that
don't live in the city that before, you know, when
you were interviewing for jobs, you were only interviewing people
from like Manhattan or maybe Brooklyn and like, because it's
hard to live in these in those cities, it's expensive,
so obviously you're going to get people that have access
to living there, you know. And so I feel like
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now I'm be that like companies are going out and saying, Okay,
we need to hire more Latinos, we need to hire
more black people, We need to hire like and really
make an effort, because if you stick to that pool,
you're don't the same type of person. Right.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
I have a question about collaboration, because how do you
with all these different people that you work with and
have worked with throughout the years.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
How do you.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Manage, like you said, making them happy and making them comfortable,
but also executing your artistic vision.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That's tricky. You know.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Our September cover had a very strong opinion as to
what she wanted to look like.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
I don't know if you remember, but you know so.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I think it's like a like a I am one
of those editors. I know that there are certain editors
like this is what I want to cover to look
like flower background. I really I think it's a conversation
between myself and the photographer. I love to hear what
the photographer and the stylists are thinking, what they have
in mind, and then obviously bringing in the celebrity. There's
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some celebrities that come in They're like what do I do?
And I'm your canvas, And there's others that are like,
this is what I want to do. And I think
it's really like a matter of a conversation and really
joining like forces, even if it's a model, you know,
and like kind of it being like one big.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Collaboration that's sort of like egos.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeah, and I feel like those I think are the
most successful covers, like first September, we shot Cardi B
and she was like, I want to show like my
Latino roots. I want to wear my hair curly, my
hair natural. But it was interesting, she said, because the
photographer is like this Dutch woman.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
That's completely different culturally than she is, and she's like,
you know, it's really great to have this pre conversation
before because we're talking about like bringing it out her
her roots, and like, I had never even thought about
that when I thought of the mood board.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
So it was really interesting and it's always interesting to
hear like what the talent has to say.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Earlier you mentioned flipping through the magazines, and I know
that fashion in general has taken a lot of steps
towards sustainability. You introduced me to a leather that was
made out of cactus from Mexico, and I'm curious, as
one of the great thinkers of the fashion industry, how
do you see sort of us moving in the direction
of AI in the digital world, And like you mentioned
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content creation.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Well, I think it's AI is going to be really
interesting because I hadn't thought about, for example, models or
what you were saying about AI.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
You know, people taking your voice, yep, me signing over
the right, which you did.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
But even they were saying, you know that models, they
can replicate the model and then you don't have to
pay her, you just kind.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Of do it.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I think it's very new, and I think it's going
to be interesting the way people use it to to
sell to us down down the road. I don't know
if people I think it really has to I don't
know if people are ready to buy off of Like I.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Wasn't even thinking the models. I was thinking, like people
design me. Yeah, like like design a you know, go
Ta inspired top with these colors, and it'll like literally
design the clothes.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
It's so big it can you take credit?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Or how about like I want to picture a mood
board with this kind of picture blah blah blah, and
then it kind of recreates it for you. So I
think that's going to be really interesting. I'm curious to see,
like who will kind of jump on board.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Careful series coming for your job? Terrible my god, She's like,
yeah no, but it's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I mean in terms of like writers and like the
social media, like all of those jobs, like are they
going to become redundant?
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
How about some semi writers are better even Yeah, I
think for basic.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Things like translations, it's going to be very useful and
for you know, maybe proof reading.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
For the consumer, like how do you see so?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Cause so I imagine we I used to buy magazines
as a kid, and truthfully, there are only a few magazines.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
That, yeah, they used to want to buy.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
How can how how do you see like in ten
years time, you know, like we don't even have books anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
We have kindles. How do you see us consuming? I
mean fashion?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I honestly think that people more and more are looking
at like through the phones. I feel like that's one
of the ways. Like I read a lot of The
New Yorker on audio on the audio app. You know,
that's like one thing that But I don't know. Pictures,
I think I don't know if an a lot is
going to be able to replace Stephen Mizel. You know,
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I really love not you know, I feel like those
images that like we remember, you know, that are so
iconic and like that you want to print out.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I don't. I mean there's always like a gimmicky.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Part of that AI right, and I feel like it's
for gimmick that, but I do. I do find myself
listening to more audio. Obviously, we're you know, consum I
hold myself back from letting myself consume too much video. Yeah,
then you're I feel like your entired day can be lost.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
And if you want more and more and more exactly,
and the younger kids have more and more and more,
it's crazy. I think the AI thing eventually will circle
around in a weird way, like because people also like
the tactile experience, but it's becoming so far away. So
I'm thinking, what if it's like a holographic magniz my goodness, Like,
what if it like appears in front of you and
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it like the acknowledging gets so good that like it
looks like yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
And it looks like you're like thumbing through. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I feel like it's interesting because even though like we
you know, you buy less and less print, I find
like my seven year old daughters are still like fascinated.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
With pepper yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
It's like a thing.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's like a thing, like a more of like a
coffee table book, like a like a thing of like
what's on your table?
Speaker 7 (29:24):
No, yeah, I think also we just have to well,
let me not go there because I think I'm not
a parent, so I can't speak on it. But we
also have to like limit as adults are exposure and
then people you know around us exposure because it really
can get tough. And then you get you get caught
in a you're sitting at a dinner table and everybody's
on the phone.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
If affect your.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Mood, yeah, you're you know, you see something that it
can like set you off totally.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I also think as a as some people who work
as creatives, when you consume a lot of the same things,
you're like destined to produce something similar. So I almost
try to like stay away from too much because I
feel like it'll leak.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Yeah, exactly, I need to like break it up.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, have some have some kind of distance.
What is like okay, so for you, you know, what is
like your your favorite collection, your favorite collection ever.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Like favorite fashion collection.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Oh, I have to say I'm a big fan of
Prada and I will never forget like some of those
like first shows that you that you go to, you know,
being in Milan for the first time and like you
know seeing I remember that the show where they put
like these like colorful turbines and like it was like
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the first collection that I like bought myself something from,
like beautiful red tops with like the tie belts which
are actually packed touch to milan, and like this season
the collection which is like the last of one of
their design directors, Yeah, fabio Zan Guardie No.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
I can't remember his US name, but he it was his.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Last collection for working for product and they took him
out and it was so quintessential probably you know, like
the Little Boys show rap belts and like everything was
like so like that brand and so perfect, and I
feel like those are some of my favorites. And I
also went to like a few pretty amazing McQueen shows, oh,
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like that were Alexander McQueen. In fact, I almost didn't
make it to the last show that he did, which
was god, I can't remember the year now, two thousand
and nine, twenty ten, they when he did this Armadillo shoe.
I was late and I stood at the show and
then like a few months later he well that.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Went passed away.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
I saw a piece about him the other day and
it was saying that he was his ultimate plan was
to take his own life during his last show, like
in front of everybody, and that the person who was
his assistant at the time, the closest to him, was like,
you really have to think about what you're going to
dude to other people by doing something like that, because
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he knew exactly, Yeah, he knew it's.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Going to happen.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
So I can imagine the energy of those last few
shows being like just really something something all together. Yeah,
because he was such a brilliant yes, like such a.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Like a real genius.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
And then you know, I feel like the Carl Lagerfeld
shows for Chanelle, you know, whether you went to the
North Pole or to outer space or to this crazy supermarket, like,
those were really fine. I mean, just to go witness
the scale of those productions was really impressive.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
What about your favorite Met Gala look or should.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
We say theme? Okay, go ahead, theme or.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Look theme or look? Oh god? Who would I like?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
The Rihanna yellow when they did the Through the Looking Glass?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Was that the China the yellow dress?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
The huge one?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yeah? Or was it Gaga that changed on? Gaga took
like all yes, I think she.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Did Brandon Maxwell or was I can't remember who it was,
But I feel like the first couple of times that
I went there, I worked at the met When I
was an assistant at Vogue, they would make us work
the gala. It was such a different party because you know,
it was more like socials and now it's like the celebrity.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Moment, right.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
But I do feel like it's one of those events
that you love to wait see the week interpret and
like how insane is someone gonna, you know, show up?
But I do feel like Rihannas was beautiful and like
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really appropriate?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Was it like wearing a cat suit?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Mentioned she's the only person who's allowed to arrive late.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
I think she's like notoriously.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I really liked the Gilded Age.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Oh that one was really pretty.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
CARDI wore that dress of all the Versace jewelry, it
was just chained and I was like, Wow, that's a
dress I would live in. If you asked me like
what to address, you would live and.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Die into that dress.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
You'd be run a marathon in that dress. My god.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I did see one with someone with a pineapple that
ran the marathon with a pineapple on his head.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
The whole What way a real pineapple? Where is this person?
I have a questions.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I had so many questions for him, and where was
where was the marathon Berlin?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Oh my god? Okay, making a little more so. Yeah,
you mentioned in.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
The beginning this was actually a question I have for you.
Because you take so many flights, how often do you
miss a flight?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I missed my flight on Saturday, going to the wrong airport.
And I had like just looked at the time, and
I didn't think to look at the airport. I just
had it in my head that I was leaving from
the lawn moult Penza, and all of a sudden, I'm there.
I'm like, so I took I need to be in
Germany before seven, and I ended up fly to Frankfurt
and taking the train and I arrived for my badge
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at like six fifteen.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Oh wow, No, fifteen, that's amazing.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah, fifteen. I'm quick at resolving things.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Okay, I've been wondering so many I know we can
be here forever, but I've been wondering this because you know,
I love your online presence, and I know for a
while you were actually a bit of an influencer. Right still, Well,
give me how you are to me, but it seems
like you really appreciate and love good food and like
beautiful moments and culinary moments.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
You post beautiful pictures about food.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
So I'm wondering how much, if any, that influences your fashion,
Like the fashion world, how do you.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Know what I feel like exactly, Like when I worked
at the New York Times, after I worked at Vogue,
Like in two thousand and six, I became the fashion
market director and it was tea magazine and it was
about lifestyle and it was and I remember talking to Stefano,
who was my boss at the time, who was interested
in food, design, art, and fashion and beauty, that those
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were like the five pillars. And so we would do
these like food shoots, and we would always integrate some
element of style because he would always say, like the
where you eat is says a lot about you, the
way you dress. You know, it's like we all care
about like how to set a table or you know,
what your eggs look like.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
You know, it's so like basic.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And I feel like with Mexico, for example, you know,
it's I grew up going to Mexico and being just
fascinated by like the different plates and like these traditions.
And I do feel like we did actually a cover
that we didn't print. We did a digital cover in
twenty nineteen of this woman I Mendoza, who was a
big traditional kind of Wahakan chef with like ancient techniques.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
We did her in our.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Stirs on the cover and that had a huge that
also kind of like broke the Internet. And she does
like traditionalists sapotick food. And so I feel like everything
is related, right, like, you know, the restaurants that we
go to, what we wear to those restaurants, like what
we're you know. I feel like everything's so interconnected now
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and in the same way that like now you have
like chefs on covers, and I feel like it's all
kind of like culturally related. And that's what has been
like the most important thing for me to show in
Vogue is that a Vogue cover girl isn't.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Just a model. She's a chef.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
She's a singer, she's a mom, she's a writer, you know,
and we're celebrating a lot of these.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Things pop off.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Kind of Another favorite thing about you for me, and
this is something that I learned through being able to
be sort of in a closer part to you, is
that you're somebody who I got the privilege of sitting
at a table with your friends at the last visit
that I was at, and I was like, oh my gosh,
it's not just me that's had this experience, Like this
is kind of like a legacy that you leave on
(38:13):
where you just have this incredible impression for everyone of
generosity and kindness, and you're such an uplifter. I mean,
like anytime you bring somebody to meet someone else, you
just have wonderful things to say. What is somebody like
you have to offer? Maybe an aspiring fashion journalists, somebody
who is just breaking out.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I always tell people, you know, as I was saying,
I picked up the phone called like be a go getter,
you know, like everyone wants if you want a job,
write that person. There's Instagram, there's Twitter, there's Facebook, there's LinkedIn,
there's so many things. Go up to that person. See
what opportunities they have. Always tell people to like send
(38:54):
a message on DM. Don't write a dissertation, no one's
going to read it.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Just start talking to me. Yeah, do you send like.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
A huge No, I would never know me, dear so,
and so what's the best way to send you my resume?
You know, I feel like that I think is really important,
and I think learn how to write if you're a
young journalist. I feel like when I started working in fashion,
I was a market editor, and I feel like I
(39:24):
maybe didn't hone my writing skills as well as I
should have. I think now people are doing they so
you know, it's like there's leaner time, it's leaner staff.
If you're starting your own website, like chances are, unless
you're a multimillionaire, you're not going to be able to.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Hire a million people.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
So like, learn the trade, and I think start from
the bottom and really do a little bit of everything,
because that's where you kind of see. This is what
I like, this is what I want to specialize in,
you know, I feel like that's.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Important, amazing, amazing, and.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Find a good mentor yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I know one she's busy writing Carla DM tonight. So
Carla thinking about.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Tell me the best way to I had an amazing
guest on my podcast here.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I say it all the time, and I think you
think I'm joking, Like I'm free labor for you.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
All you have to do.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
Is pick a pig. I know I've been trying drying
to do something again in my own That's.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Another thing that people have been saying that we've had
on the podcast. It's like, make yourself valuable to somebody,
you know, like you want to work with somebody. What
do you have to offer? Hey, look at my social media.
Let me elevate your social media. Hey check out my
only fans.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
No, well, hey you're an industry No no, but yeah,
it's true.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
And then my last question, all things considered, you know,
other than working with some of the biggest brands in
the world and just completely shifting.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
The way that we look at beauty.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
As a whole, you've also elevated a lot of other brands,
smaller brands with Espacio Volte, which a lot with a
lot of the organizations that you take part in.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
You I'm flying to Montray tomorrow to do our like
eighth edition. There, our eighth edition first time in Monterrey, Mexico.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
What what do you hope at this point, you know,
as such a change maker, what would you hope your
legacy is?
Speaker 3 (41:21):
What do you what do you what's the mark.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
That you I think you know, after that Yalita cover
and after some of the bigger covers that we did.
We've been like, wow, this is really special, Like I think.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Just having.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Printed things that really resonate with people more than just oh,
she looks really beautiful on the cover. Like the fact
that someone can say like thank you for looking for
putting someone that looks like me on the cover. Now
I think I can do this too, or I can.
I think that's really like the most Like if I
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were to leave tomorrow, I feel like I could say
we did really amazing things, like we elevated the community.
We people look at Mexico and at Latin America different
than five years ago.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
For sure, we're at the top.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yeah the game, guys, you know, and even even.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I mean, I don't even I say this because people
think that when you work at Vogue, like the doors
to the.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
Kingdom open the fashion kingdom. No they don't. They really don't.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
Like people make you work for it, and like certain
photographers like wouldn't work with us, would an email us back,
certain stylists, certain models, you know, no, I don't want
to do this, certain celebrities that took me.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Years years, even brands, brands, brands will write you who
is it that you're shooting?
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Who is it that you're shooting. We don't want to
take part of it, don't you know? None for you guys, no.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
One said that for you.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
But there's people like that, and you know, I feel
like sometimes like on that end, you know, it took
us a really long time to get you know, you
kind of have to work and like now, you know,
we have amazing photographers that want to work with us
and like, but I always appreciate the people that worked
with us from the very beginning. I said, okay, you're
doing this, I'm with you. You know, there's people that
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take longer. But you know, there's people that like to
see who's going to the party before they say yes,
that's true, right, that's true, and that's kind of their decision.
But I feel like I'm not that kind of a person.
I feel like it's your reputation either good. That's also
you know, I don't I don't want to be that
jump on the bandwagon type of person. And yeah, a
(43:43):
lot of a lot of the bands, a lot of
the people like I. Just in March, you know, we
I saw Carol g at the Loieve show and she
was and I put a picture up of her with her.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
And people were really mean about why she at Loev.
She's not a Louis. It's like and it's it's this perception.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Also, I think one thing that we have to do
is Latinez is just build each other up more.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Like it not a competition.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Why do we have to hate on Like just because
so and so doesn't dress like you doesn't mean you
have to say she looks terrible, she shouldn't be associated
with ermez Louev, a luxury brand, because it's like, who
are you to decide that? And so I do feel
like and Carol's very grateful for her cover and always
says like, thank you for that those amazing pictures, because
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a lot of designers were like, oh, like, she looks amazing,
whereas they should have been like she is amazing.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
For me, yeah, not been like, oh wow, she looks amazing.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
But I do think that we have to do a
better job of us.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Well you're doing it, Carla.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I remember when we were doing the vote cover for
em and Gloria that you specifically asked for Miami designers, designers,
Cuban people because you wanted to create a team of
people that were authentic representative of the cover.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
And I was like, Wow, I love this way.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
I don't even know her after after our conversation today
at the beginning, I remember we said, what is a
Vogue girl?
Speaker 5 (45:09):
I have a perfect suggestion for the next cover. I
think it should be you.
Speaker 7 (45:12):
Oh yes, I think you should put your epics ass
on the cover.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
And I would love to walk by and pick one
of those. Henri, about this amazing story that you shared.
So thank you for being here. Thank you so much.
And before we go and you leave outer space, it's
time for everybody's favorite news at work, Space News. Welcome everybody,
Let's see what's up in space today.
Speaker 7 (45:36):
Soyuz returns ISS crew after record setting stay due to
a leak and other issues up in space. Yike's scary
NASA and Ross Cosmos extended the stay of Prokoev, Brotlink
and Rubio by six months. The three spent three hundred
and seventy one days in space, the third longest space
flight after the four hundred and thirty eight days spent
(45:57):
by Valeri Polyakov in nineteen nine. This new record, funnily enough,
aligned with one here on Earth, the amount of time
spend by one millennial on the toilet scrolling TikTok Welcome back,
iss crew.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
You might have wanted to stay up there a little
bit longer.
Speaker 7 (46:13):
Meet an artist who sculpted the four dimensional fabric of
space and time. This distorted block wasn't transported to our
planet from the depths of outer space. However, it comes
from the mind of Ashley Zelensky.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
She's cool. Get ready for this one.
Speaker 7 (46:26):
Her mission is to take elusive intricacies as the cosmos
and turn them into fine art. She says, I kind
of like to be the scientific artistic translator, taking it
from one language to another.
Speaker 5 (46:39):
It's a very cool piece. I recommend that you google it.
Speaker 7 (46:41):
She has inspired so many others, me included, and I'm
happy to report that you can now catch my opening show,
The Black Hole, starting February twenty twenty four. It's a
performance art piece representing my relationship with the universe and
contains brief but tasteful nudity. All right, everybody, fall is
in the air. Officially, you know what that means. The
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equinox arrives on Saturday, marking the start of the fall
season for the Northern Hemisphere. But what does this actually mean?
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Y'all? Here's what you need to know.
Speaker 7 (47:11):
As the Earth travels around the Sun, it does so
at an angle. For most of the year, the Earth's
axis is tilted either tored or away from the Sun.
That means the Sun warms and light falls unequally on
the northern and southern half of the planets. During the equinox,
the Earth axis line up so that both hemispheres get
equal amount of sun. The word equinox comes from two
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Latin words meaning equal and night. That's because on the equinox,
day and night lasts almost the same amount of time,
similarly to the word equinox and related to the welcoming
of fall. The word pumpkin spice derives from the Latin
word basik besh.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
What thank you so much?
Speaker 6 (47:50):
This has been hid you clearly don't know Latin. I
was like, all right, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
Carlos, Right, she's out the door, she's running up, she's done.
We love her like I read the world.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Bye, thank you.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
This is how busy she has. Literally we're ending the show.
She's running out.
Speaker 7 (48:10):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Launches, Ladies, gentlemen, everything in between. Today we have the
true privilege of welcoming a trailblazer in our community, a
woman uplifter, the luminous personality behind Vogue Mexico at the
helm of it all, someone who, beyond curating trends, has
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completely broken cultural barriers and set an example for women
Latinas everywhere. It is a huge honor of mine to
welcome Carlo Madrine de Salis, somebody I feel so lucky
to know.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
Thank you so much, carl.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Car We're welcome, ladies, Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
I'm so excited to be in the space in the box.
Do you feel the anti gravity yet?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
I do?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
I don't know what I feel.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
I feel like I've been on like five planes in
the past couple of days, so you probably have.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Yeah, it feels like just another five planes and a marathon. No,
you're working through your leg cramps.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
It's not enough that she's creating trends and breaking barriers
in the fashion industry. I ask myself all the time.
I'm like, how many hours in the day is Beyonce have?
But ever since I met. You know, I also asked myself,
Carla can do marathons, and she can eat the way
she eats, and wake up the way she wakes up
and does the thing that she does, runs two magazines.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
I can do it.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
Yeah, and then I miss flights, go to wrong airports.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Do you really that? Yeah, one of my questions.
Speaker 5 (01:54):
I did that on Saturday. We can talk about that. Okay,
Well that's a great place to start.
Speaker 7 (01:58):
You do wear many many hats, both figuratively and literally. No,
but how do you balance, you know, your responsibilities, being creative,
being healthy, and how do you make it all happen?
Speaker 5 (02:11):
What's your secret?
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Goodness, Well, I feel like I've always been. You know,
I'm definitely would not call myself type A. You know,
I do I type I try my hardest to make
lists on my phone or on a notebook, but I'm
kind of like, you know, the list is like this
versus down, you know, And it's funny. I'm married to
someone who's completely the opposite, so I think that really helps.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, but breathing, I wake up.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I try, and because I am traveling so much and
because I have I do have a lot on my plate.
I try and take like an hour to exercise in
the morning and kind of clear my mind before I
start the day. That has not happened in the past
couple of days, just because, as you said, I.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Just ran a marathon. So I'm tired. But it's hard.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
I can't say that I'm that it comes out right
every time I think, I kind of improvise. I'm very
good at solving problems. Right now, I've been traveling for
ten days. My mom is with my kids, which is amazing,
and that brings me a lot of peace because they
love being with her. So like, if she's there, I
don't worry about that part, which is a ninety percent
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of stories right for me, So I kind of just
take everything as it goes. I have a great team
in Mexico that works with me, so I feel like
the magazine part seems to be easy.
Speaker 5 (03:36):
It's just like, you know, there's some weeks.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I don't know if you guys feel them too, Like,
for example, we did the Vogue shoot and it's like, Okay,
you got to travel, you got to get to the shoot.
Then the shoot and it's like on Monday, you're like, okay,
I just have to get through the week. Yeah, am
I going to get through the week? You know, kind
of taking it day deep and day by day. I
think that's the only way to survive, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
I think we know what to do on paper, we
know what works.
Speaker 7 (04:01):
It's the executing it that's hard. And from what I've
noticed a lot of very successful and creative people, they
do find the time to exercise and breathe and do
those other things so that it feeds the engine, you know,
like what you put in your body, food and sleep
and things like that.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
I will say I went to a health clinic with
my sister in Germany at the end of the summer
that I had been dying to go to in Germany.
And I haven't drank anything, And not that I'm a
pretty moderate drinker, I would say, even though I don't
know what moderate, but I haven't drank for more than
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a month, and that has been super helpful. Like just
staying like focused, not being even if you go to
bed at one and you're at at a party and
you need to wake up at seven, you're good. Not
having something to drink is really helpful. Another thing that
people say, I don't do it, but into the Vogue
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podcast with Anna Winter, and she was saying she wakes
up at five, and I'm like, I just.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Wait, you don't wake up.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
There's a whole day in the morning.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
And it's annoying because right now Mexico's two hours behind
the East Coast, which if you wake up at seven,
you have like a barrage of emails. Yeah, you know,
so speaking of balance, you know, like if I'm in
Mexico and you know, my husband gets home from at
eight thirty at night, I don't want to be like, hey,
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half an hour piece hour you to get at five.
It's like put the kids to get home, have dinner,
put the kids to sleep, have like your TV time,
you know, just like time to like unwine, sit in
bed and do nothing or read a book. And then
your husband comes home, we have to talk to them,
or your partner comes over, you know what I mean,
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Like you have to get you have to say something
like I missed that part.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
In the Manual of Marriage. You have to talk to them.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
So I feel like it's it's hard to go to
bed super early.
Speaker 6 (06:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, no for me too, especially because I think of
everything I could be doing. I'm like, gosh, if I
just pushed it one more hour. Yeah, and I really
admire how you do it because, at least from the outside,
it seems like you're hitting the big three. You got family,
you got work, and you got health yourself. You know,
I'm like, Oh, and then on top of that, you're
just a mover and a shaker. So I want to
I want to talk a little bit about for those
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of us that don't know or those of you haven't
Heardo cover, which I'm sure you're exhausted talking about, but
it's just incredible because that cover changed I think, not
just how we in the community saw ourselves represented in
the media in general, but just broke past the glass
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ceiling as far as what we can look at is fashion,
what we can look at is beauty. So I think
it's incredible and I would love if you could share
just a little sneak, little preview of how that kind
of came to be.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
You know, I always I love talking about this because I,
as you said, I think I really say that there
was a before and after, especially in Mexico, as far
as like beauty standards. I think, you know, for those
of us that grew up in the US with Latino parents,
like if you ever went back to your parents' countries
like Mexico, cub about what the things you would kind
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of at least in Mexico, the things that people, you know,
you to watch the soap operas, and the white girl
was kind of the beautiful girl, the girl that everyone
aspired to be, and you know, the brown girl was
always like la miafea or the housekeeper. There were never
any like roles that you could that were aspirational. And
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I feel like and even when I moved there, like
even I grew up going to Mexico my whole life
with my with my parents going to hauatas we lived
across the border, and everyone be like.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Would you bring from the US? Would you bring from
the US?
Speaker 4 (07:58):
And everything away that came from the US, so that
came from Europe was better. So beauty, fashion, food, everything right.
And I remember when I first started the magazine, I
would say, oh, let's do I don't know Shakidra, and
my boss at time would be like, oh, she's not
very vogue, and I'm like, but what does the deaf
and what does that mean? And what does that mean
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in twenty and sixteen, right, like what is a Vogue cover.
So I remember we I met Alphone Soquadonna in Berlin
in like twenty eighteen at a like this rolex fair
not fair, like this mentors and Protege thing where they
would have like a mentor and then their protege that
like worked with them for years actually really amazing program
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and it was like architecture, you know, film, et cetera.
And he's like, well, I have a really big project
coming out on Netflix. It was like the one of
the first movies that they released on the platform. And
I remember being in New York and my one of
the girls from my office said, oh, are you let's
do Yealita for the cover they're offering her. And I
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was like, well, who's Yalita? How are we going to
put like someone whose name we don't even know, we've
never heard of on the cover, Like it's not going
to sell any magazines, I think because I was the
daughter of Mexican immigrants and my dad was you know,
moreno and my mom not some.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
More affair like me.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
But I never for one minute doubt said like she's
an indigenous woman, she can't be on the cover. On
the contrary, like to me, we grew up in the States.
That can be whatever you want, right, be on the cover.
You can be a doctor, you can be whatever you want,
an actor, actress. And so she said to me, well,
should we look into it. I was like, yeah, let's
figure out what to do. I just don't know if
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I can put someone who nobody knows the cover. And
I went to New York and I told a former
colleague and she said.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
To me, Oh, you would never put Yalita.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
On the cover, right, that's not Vogue.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
Yeah, And I was like, oh, what does she mean?
Speaker 4 (09:54):
And so but then I knew what she meant. I
knew that she's like, or you put her with the
other girl all that's in the movie, the blonde one, right,
or the light skinned one.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
And I was like, you know what, we have to
do this. We have to put on the cover.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
And so I called who I work and I was
put an exclusive on her. We have to shoot her.
So we developed the idea. We'd got an all Mexican
crew to do it. Door had just done the show in.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
France.
Speaker 4 (10:20):
I love that, inspired by Asas, and we shot the
cover and she wore Door and we released it on
We released the first article about the movie on November.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
Seventh, and I was home on a Friday night.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Yeah, looking at my Instagram and it was like fifty
sixty thousand, like amazing, Just people were so excited. I
was like, Okay, in a month, this is going to
be insane. And it was really like explosive, like my
only thing. I know, you're not supposed to regret anything.
But my boss at the time was like, you don't
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put her on the cover of Latin America because she's
very Mexican, and like they're going to say, like, why
isn't there an indigenous Colombian woman on the cover, which
in hindsight was a dumb decision because there were indigenous
people from Australia that make us for that cover. Like
it really did something not just for Mexicans, but for
indigenous women all over the world, and so I think
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it really broke those barriers and it was a really
exciting time and it really changed people's perceptions of beauty.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah, right, you absolutely, and thank you.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, I can't imagine in that position you had
just become editor in chief of Vogue like.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
A year prior.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
I had been there for a year, and my boss
diuld say to me I hope you have a plan B.
And I was like, there is no plan B.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
This is it women. But that's how you get it.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
There's no other cover, you know, and and it's it was.
Speaker 5 (11:51):
It was. I don't think I was ever scared.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
I just had no idea how big, powerful, how powerful
it was going to be.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
When when we were growing up and you know, we're
about to be thirty, we're still really young representation even
in American media for certain groups of people, you know, homosexuals,
any person of color too, any person of color, Indigenous people.
You're absolutely right about the roles.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
That they did have. You know, we're almost like demeaning
in a way. And then when there was.
Speaker 7 (12:22):
One role, it was like, oh my gosh, look at
this one, you know, shining beacon that we can hold
on to.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
But you said a quote, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
But about the power of realizing that taking back the
power of being the only Latina in a room or
the only Latino in a room that people can see
it in an intimidating way. But you kind of turned
it around and saying, no, that's a powerful thing. That's
something that we can use to show more of this,
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And like Jemini both said when you were telling the story,
your authenticity doesn't matter who it is that you're shooting.
I feel like you find something that's super authentic about
their heritage or about who they are.
Speaker 5 (13:03):
And you put it at the front.
Speaker 7 (13:05):
I can tell you from experience because I walked into
our shoot wearing my clothes, just my clothes, like cuba
tank top that was my mom's and jeans of hers
from the eighties that fit me perfect, Yeah, because tailored
to her body. And we're both like, you know, say tiny, tiny,
and you're like, you know what, we need to capture this,
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like this is a moment right here.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
And I'm like, but this is my clothes and you're like, yeah,
but it's real.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
It's the clothes has a story. And I think that
that's really really amazing about you. My question, after my
whole word vomit of that is how do you where's
the line of how far do you go before you fight?
While you're fighting against institutions, bosses, society, how do you
balance that line of fighting for what you know is
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right but also realizing that you have to face an army,
you know, you know.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
I think it's just kind of I think choosing your
battles right, and I feel like these are the ones
that you need, that you need to take risks on.
Like you know, we we did a cover also with
the mouche in from the state of Wohaka. MUSHes are
the third gender in Mexico, which my mom was like,
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and it's the third gender that's very widely accepted in Wahaka.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
It's very in you know, the too culture, in Hawaiian culture.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
Too, and it's really interesting because no one even knew
that this third gender existed in Mexico. And I remember
they said, put it on the second cover. It made
Time magazine and it was on the second cover, and
it should have been on the first cover. And so
I feel like there's some things that you know, I
think are always super important. And to be honest, I
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have always been very much supported in in the decisions
we've taken, and I think that's so important to have
that support, maybe like the comment of like have this,
but I'm like, no, we don't have.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
There is no alternate. This is it.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
And I think those are the things that I think
have been really worth and there's and I always have
you know, this is the reason why we need we're
doing this and this is the reason why you should
support it.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
And I think.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
All those decisions that we've made have really paid off.
But as you said, you know, I think it really
has to be in an authentic way. I think you know,
there's pictures everywhere, right, there's how many pictures have you
seen of your mom? How many pictures do you see
of you guys? Like, now everyone's a photographer, everyone's making content.
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So the way we approach I like the example that
you gave of like that capturing you in your moment,
because that's the essence that we want to create, right,
Like I feel like in the day where you're just
like scrolling and scrolling, you need to like look at
images and say, like the way at least much older
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than you guys, but the way you would kind of
tear it out of the magazine, right, yeah, Like this
is an image that you'll forever remember. I think that's
the important thing that not only are we you like
I want to say, okay yaalza go, but how do
we want to portray?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
You know?
Speaker 4 (16:29):
And I think for me, I don't like when clothes
wears people in real life and in magazines. I need
you to feel comfortable.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
That's why didn't make you.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, like I didn't, you know, want to make you
wear anything that you didn't like, because then you're like.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Yeah, you know comes off attitude exactly.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
So I feel like that's like one of the most
important things to me.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
I felt badass. Y'all killed it. You guys look bad at.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
They really did. That was an incredible, magical yea.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
For those of you who didn't know, we're talking about
the Vogue shoot for Mexico that Carla directed that and
her mom were on, which was phenomenal, gorgeous shot on film.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
If you haven't seen it by Alexander.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Hello, you were a part of it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
I was a lucky person in the room. I was
just lucky to be anywhere near that place. So it
was a beautiful experience.
Speaker 4 (17:23):
It was really exciting, and I feel like I always
love capturing those moments of like mom and daughter, you know,
And I always say that, like I remember growing up
in Memphis. I think I told your mom this. I
remember going up in Memphis. We're talking about representation, and
my dad was a doctor and him and my mom
a surgeon, moved over from Mexico. Like for him to
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do his residency. We lived in Florida, then in Memphis, Memphis,
nineteen eighties.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
No Mexicans.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yeah, yeah, my sister and I were the only ones
in the entire school. And not that we ever were discriminated. Again,
we were kind of like special girls in a way,
and my mom was like the Spanish teacher, and everything
was you know, very like.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Let's be real, if you looked a different way, maybe
that might have been a different experience.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, exactly, exactly, maybe if I was a little darker
or and but there was I never had like a
bad experience.
Speaker 5 (18:20):
But there weren't that many Mexicans there.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
I mean, there were no Mexicans, and so it was
really interesting or not interesting, but it was very powerful
to hear the conga and like, oh, people are singing
a song in Spanish and I understand it and we're
sharing that that culture, and that was like there was
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a woman named Gloria Stefan that was like top of the.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Chart, and they had to fight their own fight.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
Exactly if they made it look easy, and it probably
wasn't right.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Not from what I heard.
Speaker 7 (18:56):
I wasn't around with my dad half of.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
My month's over, but the fact that that made me
really excited when I was younger, just just one thing
that changed the way you heard music and that made
you feel like there are Latinas in the US.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, killing it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
How full circle that as a child you were inspired
by her and now us were inspired by you.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yeah, so here you are.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
It was like when I met her, I was like,
this is really exciting because this changed so much when
I was younger.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah, you know, you're somebody who's really proud of that,
like living in the hyphen something else idemire about you
and something that I relate to. You're not just Mexican,
You're not just American. There's a saying now that people
are saying, which is like we're the two hundred percent, Yeah,
not fifty of this or fifty of that. And how
do you can you speak a little bit about how
that's influenced sort of your the trajectory of your career,
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I mean other than the obvious.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
You know, I think growing up And I don't know
if you guys the same way in Miami, because Miami
is obviously like a bigger city than al pas I was,
but ol Pass was very bicultural, so like if you
don't speak Spanish, you ye are like especially odd man
out right same here. But when I did move to
New York and work in fashion, I have to say that,
like a lot of the Latinos, we were just kind
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of like going with the flow. We wanted to make
sure that we didn't stand.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
Out that we're making too much noise, that we could
work just as hard.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
We weren't saying, like, you know, being so vocal about
like here I am, you know, like we'd say, I
mean your Mexican or your Colombian or what have you.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I feel like that was something that probably as Latinos,
our parents kind of taught us just go, you know,
assimilate and be you know, at least my parents were
very much, yes, assimilate, but keep your culture.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Bas their values the day.
Speaker 7 (20:49):
Because I know that you fell in love with fashion
from really early on, right, like you used to play
with clothes and whatnot, And did you feel like certain
things were unattainable to you because your parents they supported
your creativity, right.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Yeah, they supported it, but they weren't sure like what
just working in fashion?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
What does that mean?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
You know?
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And in growing up, it was like you either worked
in a store, you know, at the mall or you
became a fashion designer, and like you didn't know about
the endless.
Speaker 5 (21:17):
Other careers that you could have, did you dream? I dreamt.
Speaker 4 (21:21):
I was like, Okay, what am I going to do
this summer that was in college and my friend was like,
I'm interning at Nicole Miller. My mom got me the internship.
And I was like, oh my god, what my dad's
going to get me anything. I like started calling magazines
and someone picked up the phone. That's why I believe
in answering people back when they when they message you
DM whatever. And I this girl was like, oh, you
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go to school in Tucson. I'm from Tucson. Come up
for an interview. And I like went up for an
interview and I got the internship. It was like with
Alberta Freddi and John Paul got Mosquino, like that group.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
And that was like the first time that I had
like actual fashion. I was living in New York City.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
It was nineteen.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
It was like the best summer of my life, you know,
like oh my god, like I'm here, you know, And
that's when I was like, Okay, this is what I
want to do. And I always say this because New
York's a really expensive city. And like my dad was
a doctor, and like we were I would say upper
middle class for El Paso. In New York, we're probably
like middle classes, right, Like everything's relative, But I will
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say I mean I had the privilege that my dad
was able to like pay for me for two months
to like live in like a you know, mouse mice
infested apartment with my friend.
Speaker 5 (22:35):
But like, but still so many people did it.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
So many people don't have that, So many people that
don't live in the city that before, you know, when
you were interviewing for jobs, you were only interviewing people
from like Manhattan or maybe Brooklyn and like, because it's
hard to live in these in those cities, it's expensive,
so obviously you're going to get people that have access
to living there, you know. And so I feel like
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now I'm be that like companies are going out and saying, Okay,
we need to hire more Latinos, we need to hire
more black people, We need to hire like and really
make an effort, because if you stick to that pool,
you're don't the same type of person. Right.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
I have a question about collaboration, because how do you
with all these different people that you work with and
have worked with throughout the years.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
How do you.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
Manage, like you said, making them happy and making them comfortable,
but also executing your artistic vision.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
That's tricky. You know.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Our September cover had a very strong opinion as to
what she wanted to look like.
Speaker 5 (23:47):
I don't know if you remember, but you know so.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I think it's like a like a I am one
of those editors. I know that there are certain editors
like this is what I want to cover to look
like flower background. I really I think it's a conversation
between myself and the photographer. I love to hear what
the photographer and the stylists are thinking, what they have
in mind, and then obviously bringing in the celebrity. There's
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some celebrities that come in They're like what do I do?
And I'm your canvas, And there's others that are like,
this is what I want to do. And I think
it's really like a matter of a conversation and really
joining like forces, even if it's a model, you know,
and like kind of it being like one big.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Collaboration that's sort of like egos.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Yeah, and I feel like those I think are the
most successful covers, like first September, we shot Cardi B
and she was like, I want to show like my
Latino roots. I want to wear my hair curly, my
hair natural. But it was interesting, she said, because the
photographer is like this Dutch woman.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
That's completely different culturally than she is, and she's like,
you know, it's really great to have this pre conversation
before because we're talking about like bringing it out her
her roots, and like, I had never even thought about
that when I thought of the mood board.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
So it was really interesting and it's always interesting to
hear like what the talent has to say.
Speaker 5 (25:11):
Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Earlier you mentioned flipping through the magazines, and I know
that fashion in general has taken a lot of steps
towards sustainability. You introduced me to a leather that was
made out of cactus from Mexico, and I'm curious, as
one of the great thinkers of the fashion industry, how
do you see sort of us moving in the direction
of AI in the digital world, And like you mentioned
(25:33):
content creation.
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Well, I think it's AI is going to be really
interesting because I hadn't thought about, for example, models or
what you were saying about AI.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
You know, people taking your voice, yep, me signing over
the right, which you did.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
But even they were saying, you know that models, they
can replicate the model and then you don't have to
pay her, you just kind.
Speaker 5 (25:54):
Of do it.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
I think it's very new, and I think it's going
to be interesting the way people use it to to
sell to us down down the road. I don't know
if people I think it really has to I don't
know if people are ready to buy off of Like I.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Wasn't even thinking the models. I was thinking, like people
design me. Yeah, like like design a you know, go
Ta inspired top with these colors, and it'll like literally
design the clothes.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
It's so big it can you take credit?
Speaker 4 (26:31):
Or how about like I want to picture a mood
board with this kind of picture blah blah blah, and
then it kind of recreates it for you. So I
think that's going to be really interesting. I'm curious to see,
like who will kind of jump on board.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Careful series coming for your job? Terrible my god, She's like,
yeah no, but it's really interesting.
Speaker 4 (26:55):
I mean in terms of like writers and like the
social media, like all of those jobs, like are they
going to become redundant?
Speaker 5 (27:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
How about some semi writers are better even Yeah, I
think for basic.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
Things like translations, it's going to be very useful and
for you know, maybe proof reading.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
For the consumer, like how do you see so?
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Cause so I imagine we I used to buy magazines
as a kid, and truthfully, there are only a few magazines.
Speaker 5 (27:27):
That, yeah, they used to want to buy.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
How can how how do you see like in ten
years time, you know, like we don't even have books anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
We have kindles. How do you see us consuming? I
mean fashion?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
I honestly think that people more and more are looking
at like through the phones. I feel like that's one
of the ways. Like I read a lot of The
New Yorker on audio on the audio app. You know,
that's like one thing that But I don't know. Pictures,
I think I don't know if an a lot is
going to be able to replace Stephen Mizel. You know,
(28:01):
I really love not you know, I feel like those
images that like we remember, you know, that are so
iconic and like that you want to print out.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I don't. I mean there's always like a gimmicky.
Speaker 4 (28:15):
Part of that AI right, and I feel like it's
for gimmick that, but I do. I do find myself
listening to more audio. Obviously, we're you know, consum I
hold myself back from letting myself consume too much video. Yeah,
then you're I feel like your entired day can be lost.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 7 (28:38):
And if you want more and more and more exactly,
and the younger kids have more and more and more,
it's crazy. I think the AI thing eventually will circle
around in a weird way, like because people also like
the tactile experience, but it's becoming so far away. So
I'm thinking, what if it's like a holographic magniz my goodness, Like,
what if it like appears in front of you and
(28:59):
it like the acknowledging gets so good that like it
looks like yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
And it looks like you're like thumbing through. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
I feel like it's interesting because even though like we
you know, you buy less and less print, I find
like my seven year old daughters are still like fascinated.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
With pepper yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
You know.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
It's like a thing.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
It's like a thing, like a more of like a
coffee table book, like a like a thing of like
what's on your table?
Speaker 7 (29:24):
No, yeah, I think also we just have to well,
let me not go there because I think I'm not
a parent, so I can't speak on it. But we
also have to like limit as adults are exposure and
then people you know around us exposure because it really
can get tough. And then you get you get caught
in a you're sitting at a dinner table and everybody's
on the phone.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
If affect your.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
Mood, yeah, you're you know, you see something that it
can like set you off totally.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
You know.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
I also think as a as some people who work
as creatives, when you consume a lot of the same things,
you're like destined to produce something similar. So I almost
try to like stay away from too much because I
feel like it'll leak.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
Yeah, exactly, I need to like break it up.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Yeah yeah, yeah, have some have some kind of distance.
What is like okay, so for you, you know, what is
like your your favorite collection, your favorite collection ever.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
Like favorite fashion collection.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Oh, I have to say I'm a big fan of
Prada and I will never forget like some of those
like first shows that you that you go to, you know,
being in Milan for the first time and like you
know seeing I remember that the show where they put
like these like colorful turbines and like it was like
(30:39):
the first collection that I like bought myself something from,
like beautiful red tops with like the tie belts which
are actually packed touch to milan, and like this season
the collection which is like the last of one of
their design directors, Yeah, fabio Zan Guardie No.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
I can't remember his US name, but he it was his.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
Last collection for working for product and they took him
out and it was so quintessential probably you know, like
the Little Boys show rap belts and like everything was
like so like that brand and so perfect, and I
feel like those are some of my favorites. And I
also went to like a few pretty amazing McQueen shows, oh,
(31:21):
like that were Alexander McQueen. In fact, I almost didn't
make it to the last show that he did, which
was god, I can't remember the year now, two thousand
and nine, twenty ten, they when he did this Armadillo shoe.
I was late and I stood at the show and
then like a few months later he well that.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
Went passed away.
Speaker 7 (31:41):
I saw a piece about him the other day and
it was saying that he was his ultimate plan was
to take his own life during his last show, like
in front of everybody, and that the person who was
his assistant at the time, the closest to him, was like,
you really have to think about what you're going to
dude to other people by doing something like that, because
(32:02):
he knew exactly, Yeah, he knew it's.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Going to happen.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
So I can imagine the energy of those last few
shows being like just really something something all together. Yeah,
because he was such a brilliant yes, like such a.
Speaker 5 (32:15):
Like a real genius.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
And then you know, I feel like the Carl Lagerfeld
shows for Chanelle, you know, whether you went to the
North Pole or to outer space or to this crazy supermarket, like,
those were really fine. I mean, just to go witness
the scale of those productions was really impressive.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
What about your favorite Met Gala look or should.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
We say theme? Okay, go ahead, theme or.
Speaker 5 (32:41):
Look theme or look? Oh god? Who would I like?
Speaker 4 (32:48):
The Rihanna yellow when they did the Through the Looking Glass?
Speaker 5 (32:52):
Was that the China the yellow dress?
Speaker 3 (32:56):
The huge one?
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Yeah? Or was it Gaga that changed on? Gaga took
like all yes, I think she.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Did Brandon Maxwell or was I can't remember who it was,
But I feel like the first couple of times that
I went there, I worked at the met When I
was an assistant at Vogue, they would make us work
the gala. It was such a different party because you know,
it was more like socials and now it's like the celebrity.
Speaker 5 (33:23):
Moment, right.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
But I do feel like it's one of those events
that you love to wait see the week interpret and
like how insane is someone gonna, you know, show up?
But I do feel like Rihannas was beautiful and like
(33:47):
really appropriate?
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Was it like wearing a cat suit?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Mentioned she's the only person who's allowed to arrive late.
Speaker 5 (33:55):
I think she's like notoriously.
Speaker 3 (33:58):
I really liked the Gilded Age.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
Oh that one was really pretty.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
CARDI wore that dress of all the Versace jewelry, it
was just chained and I was like, Wow, that's a
dress I would live in. If you asked me like
what to address, you would live and.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
Die into that dress.
Speaker 5 (34:10):
You'd be run a marathon in that dress. My god.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I did see one with someone with a pineapple that
ran the marathon with a pineapple on his head.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
The whole What way a real pineapple? Where is this person?
I have a questions.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
I had so many questions for him, and where was
where was the marathon Berlin?
Speaker 5 (34:30):
Oh my god? Okay, making a little more so. Yeah,
you mentioned in.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
The beginning this was actually a question I have for you.
Because you take so many flights, how often do you
miss a flight?
Speaker 5 (34:40):
Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
I missed my flight on Saturday, going to the wrong airport.
And I had like just looked at the time, and
I didn't think to look at the airport. I just
had it in my head that I was leaving from
the lawn moult Penza, and all of a sudden, I'm there.
I'm like, so I took I need to be in
Germany before seven, and I ended up fly to Frankfurt
and taking the train and I arrived for my badge
(35:03):
at like six fifteen.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Oh wow, No, fifteen, that's amazing.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah, fifteen. I'm quick at resolving things.
Speaker 7 (35:16):
Okay, I've been wondering so many I know we can
be here forever, but I've been wondering this because you know,
I love your online presence, and I know for a
while you were actually a bit of an influencer. Right still, Well,
give me how you are to me, but it seems
like you really appreciate and love good food and like
beautiful moments and culinary moments.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
You post beautiful pictures about food.
Speaker 7 (35:40):
So I'm wondering how much, if any, that influences your fashion,
Like the fashion world, how do you.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Know what I feel like exactly, Like when I worked
at the New York Times, after I worked at Vogue,
Like in two thousand and six, I became the fashion
market director and it was tea magazine and it was
about lifestyle and it was and I remember talking to Stefano,
who was my boss at the time, who was interested
in food, design, art, and fashion and beauty, that those
(36:11):
were like the five pillars. And so we would do
these like food shoots, and we would always integrate some
element of style because he would always say, like the
where you eat is says a lot about you, the
way you dress. You know, it's like we all care
about like how to set a table or you know,
what your eggs look like.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
You know, it's so like basic.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
And I feel like with Mexico, for example, you know,
it's I grew up going to Mexico and being just
fascinated by like the different plates and like these traditions.
And I do feel like we did actually a cover
that we didn't print. We did a digital cover in
twenty nineteen of this woman I Mendoza, who was a
big traditional kind of Wahakan chef with like ancient techniques.
Speaker 5 (36:59):
We did her in our.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Stirs on the cover and that had a huge that
also kind of like broke the Internet. And she does
like traditionalists sapotick food. And so I feel like everything
is related, right, like, you know, the restaurants that we
go to, what we wear to those restaurants, like what
we're you know. I feel like everything's so interconnected now
(37:22):
and in the same way that like now you have
like chefs on covers, and I feel like it's all
kind of like culturally related. And that's what has been
like the most important thing for me to show in
Vogue is that a Vogue cover girl isn't.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Just a model. She's a chef.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
She's a singer, she's a mom, she's a writer, you know,
and we're celebrating a lot of these.
Speaker 5 (37:47):
Things pop off.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Kind of Another favorite thing about you for me, and
this is something that I learned through being able to
be sort of in a closer part to you, is
that you're somebody who I got the privilege of sitting
at a table with your friends at the last visit
that I was at, and I was like, oh my gosh,
it's not just me that's had this experience, Like this
is kind of like a legacy that you leave on
(38:13):
where you just have this incredible impression for everyone of
generosity and kindness, and you're such an uplifter. I mean,
like anytime you bring somebody to meet someone else, you
just have wonderful things to say. What is somebody like
you have to offer? Maybe an aspiring fashion journalists, somebody
who is just breaking out.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
You know.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
I always tell people, you know, as I was saying,
I picked up the phone called like be a go getter,
you know, like everyone wants if you want a job,
write that person. There's Instagram, there's Twitter, there's Facebook, there's LinkedIn,
there's so many things. Go up to that person. See
what opportunities they have. Always tell people to like send
(38:54):
a message on DM. Don't write a dissertation, no one's
going to read it.
Speaker 5 (39:00):
Just start talking to me. Yeah, do you send like.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
A huge No, I would never know me, dear so,
and so what's the best way to send you my resume?
You know, I feel like that I think is really important,
and I think learn how to write if you're a
young journalist. I feel like when I started working in fashion,
I was a market editor, and I feel like I
(39:24):
maybe didn't hone my writing skills as well as I
should have. I think now people are doing they so
you know, it's like there's leaner time, it's leaner staff.
If you're starting your own website, like chances are, unless
you're a multimillionaire, you're not going to be able to.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Hire a million people.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
So like, learn the trade, and I think start from
the bottom and really do a little bit of everything,
because that's where you kind of see. This is what
I like, this is what I want to specialize in,
you know, I feel like that's.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
Important, amazing, amazing, and.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Find a good mentor yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
I know one she's busy writing Carla DM tonight. So
Carla thinking about.
Speaker 5 (40:10):
Tell me the best way to I had an amazing
guest on my podcast here.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I say it all the time, and I think you
think I'm joking, Like I'm free labor for you.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
All you have to do.
Speaker 5 (40:19):
Is pick a pig. I know I've been trying drying
to do something again in my own That's.
Speaker 7 (40:24):
Another thing that people have been saying that we've had
on the podcast. It's like, make yourself valuable to somebody,
you know, like you want to work with somebody. What
do you have to offer? Hey, look at my social media.
Let me elevate your social media. Hey check out my
only fans.
Speaker 5 (40:38):
No, well, hey you're an industry No no, but yeah,
it's true.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
And then my last question, all things considered, you know,
other than working with some of the biggest brands in
the world and just completely shifting.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
The way that we look at beauty.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
As a whole, you've also elevated a lot of other brands,
smaller brands with Espacio Volte, which a lot with a
lot of the organizations that you take part in.
Speaker 4 (41:05):
You I'm flying to Montray tomorrow to do our like
eighth edition. There, our eighth edition first time in Monterrey, Mexico.
Speaker 5 (41:13):
Amazing.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
What what do you hope at this point, you know,
as such a change maker, what would you hope your
legacy is?
Speaker 3 (41:21):
What do you what do you what's the mark.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
That you I think you know, after that Yalita cover
and after some of the bigger covers that we did.
We've been like, wow, this is really special, Like I think.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
Just having.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Printed things that really resonate with people more than just oh,
she looks really beautiful on the cover. Like the fact
that someone can say like thank you for looking for
putting someone that looks like me on the cover. Now
I think I can do this too, or I can.
I think that's really like the most Like if I
(41:57):
were to leave tomorrow, I feel like I could say
we did really amazing things, like we elevated the community.
We people look at Mexico and at Latin America different
than five years ago.
Speaker 3 (42:11):
For sure, we're at the top.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Yeah the game, guys, you know, and even even.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
I mean, I don't even I say this because people
think that when you work at Vogue, like the doors
to the.
Speaker 5 (42:26):
Kingdom open the fashion kingdom. No they don't. They really don't.
Speaker 4 (42:30):
Like people make you work for it, and like certain
photographers like wouldn't work with us, would an email us back,
certain stylists, certain models, you know, no, I don't want
to do this, certain celebrities that took me.
Speaker 2 (42:43):
Years years, even brands, brands, brands will write you who
is it that you're shooting?
Speaker 4 (42:48):
Who is it that you're shooting. We don't want to
take part of it, don't you know? None for you guys, no.
Speaker 5 (42:55):
One said that for you.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
But there's people like that, and you know, I feel
like sometimes like on that end, you know, it took
us a really long time to get you know, you
kind of have to work and like now, you know,
we have amazing photographers that want to work with us
and like, but I always appreciate the people that worked
with us from the very beginning. I said, okay, you're
doing this, I'm with you. You know, there's people that
(43:19):
take longer. But you know, there's people that like to
see who's going to the party before they say yes,
that's true, right, that's true, and that's kind of their decision.
But I feel like I'm not that kind of a person.
I feel like it's your reputation either good. That's also
you know, I don't I don't want to be that
jump on the bandwagon type of person. And yeah, a
(43:43):
lot of a lot of the bands, a lot of
the people like I. Just in March, you know, we
I saw Carol g at the Loieve show and she
was and I put a picture up of her with her.
Speaker 5 (43:56):
And people were really mean about why she at Loev.
She's not a Louis. It's like and it's it's this perception.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Also, I think one thing that we have to do
is Latinez is just build each other up more.
Speaker 5 (44:10):
Like it not a competition.
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Why do we have to hate on Like just because
so and so doesn't dress like you doesn't mean you
have to say she looks terrible, she shouldn't be associated
with ermez Louev, a luxury brand, because it's like, who
are you to decide that? And so I do feel
like and Carol's very grateful for her cover and always
says like, thank you for that those amazing pictures, because
(44:34):
a lot of designers were like, oh, like, she looks amazing,
whereas they should have been like she is amazing.
Speaker 5 (44:38):
For me, yeah, not been like, oh wow, she looks amazing.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
But I do think that we have to do a
better job of us.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
Well you're doing it, Carla.
Speaker 2 (44:48):
I remember when we were doing the vote cover for
em and Gloria that you specifically asked for Miami designers, designers,
Cuban people because you wanted to create a team of
people that were authentic representative of the cover.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
And I was like, Wow, I love this way.
Speaker 7 (45:02):
I don't even know her after after our conversation today
at the beginning, I remember we said, what is a
Vogue girl?
Speaker 5 (45:09):
I have a perfect suggestion for the next cover. I
think it should be you.
Speaker 7 (45:12):
Oh yes, I think you should put your epics ass
on the cover.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
And I would love to walk by and pick one
of those. Henri, about this amazing story that you shared.
So thank you for being here. Thank you so much.
And before we go and you leave outer space, it's
time for everybody's favorite news at work, Space News. Welcome everybody,
Let's see what's up in space today.
Speaker 7 (45:36):
Soyuz returns ISS crew after record setting stay due to
a leak and other issues up in space. Yike's scary
NASA and Ross Cosmos extended the stay of Prokoev, Brotlink
and Rubio by six months. The three spent three hundred
and seventy one days in space, the third longest space
flight after the four hundred and thirty eight days spent
(45:57):
by Valeri Polyakov in nineteen nine. This new record, funnily enough,
aligned with one here on Earth, the amount of time
spend by one millennial on the toilet scrolling TikTok Welcome back,
iss crew.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
You might have wanted to stay up there a little
bit longer.
Speaker 7 (46:13):
Meet an artist who sculpted the four dimensional fabric of
space and time. This distorted block wasn't transported to our
planet from the depths of outer space. However, it comes
from the mind of Ashley Zelensky.
Speaker 5 (46:25):
She's cool. Get ready for this one.
Speaker 7 (46:26):
Her mission is to take elusive intricacies as the cosmos
and turn them into fine art. She says, I kind
of like to be the scientific artistic translator, taking it
from one language to another.
Speaker 5 (46:39):
It's a very cool piece. I recommend that you google it.
Speaker 7 (46:41):
She has inspired so many others, me included, and I'm
happy to report that you can now catch my opening show,
The Black Hole, starting February twenty twenty four. It's a
performance art piece representing my relationship with the universe and
contains brief but tasteful nudity. All right, everybody, fall is
in the air. Officially, you know what that means. The
(47:03):
equinox arrives on Saturday, marking the start of the fall
season for the Northern Hemisphere. But what does this actually mean?
Speaker 5 (47:10):
Y'all? Here's what you need to know.
Speaker 7 (47:11):
As the Earth travels around the Sun, it does so
at an angle. For most of the year, the Earth's
axis is tilted either tored or away from the Sun.
That means the Sun warms and light falls unequally on
the northern and southern half of the planets. During the equinox,
the Earth axis line up so that both hemispheres get
equal amount of sun. The word equinox comes from two
(47:32):
Latin words meaning equal and night. That's because on the equinox,
day and night lasts almost the same amount of time,
similarly to the word equinox and related to the welcoming
of fall. The word pumpkin spice derives from the Latin
word basik besh.
Speaker 5 (47:47):
What thank you so much?
Speaker 6 (47:50):
This has been hid you clearly don't know Latin. I
was like, all right, thank you for being with us.
Speaker 5 (48:01):
Carlos, Right, she's out the door, she's running up, she's done.
We love her like I read the world.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Bye, thank you.
Speaker 5 (48:07):
This is how busy she has. Literally we're ending the show.
She's running out.
Speaker 7 (48:10):
Bye.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
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