May 17, 2023 • 40 mins
If you struggle with accessing your intuition—often feeling like you're unable to 'see the signs' or hear the 'whispers' this is the episode for you!
Navigating the world through intuitive guidance can be difficult for many, leading to frustrations and the feeling that you lack the spiritual gifts others have. So it's a good thing to learn that there are physical tools you can use to access your intuition, talk with your guides, and amplify your spirit connection. You can literally grasp the energy of the Other Side, feel it and see it, through the use of dowsing rods and pendulums.
Today Brenda shares why dowsing rods are her go-to for a quick and effective energy read, while Julie explains why pendulums are her jam. Both are used to tune in, connect, and feel the energy of a space or situation. Both are held, gently, in your fingertips, giving you the ability to see intuition in action. Today you'll learn how to ground your energy before using these tools, what the movements mean, and how to select the right tool for your needs.
Earth School lessons can often be answered by simply asking, "show me yes, show me no, or show me where." Your Other Side Guides are here to show you how.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hi, y'all, I'm Julie.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the
Other Side.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Now, y'all need to know that we are obsessed with
everything on the other side.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes, we are, because once you learn to navigate the energetic,
or to some the invisible world, life is going to
be more fun and much more serene.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Uh heck, yes it can, because, let's be honest, brand
earth school is hard.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
In fact, you taught me.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
That let's crush earth School together.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, hello, my giggly WITCHI pooh, good lord woman, what
is wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Nicely, I'm just gonna get back in my lane. I'm good.
How are you? My elf?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh my god, I'm still dealing with a little bit
of motayness, but it's starting to go away more. But yeah,
but we're not going to talk about it because we're
going to ignore that it exists, and maybe it'll really
go away, kind of like a narcissist them and you
hope they just go away. That's how I'm treating my
sign is infection. My infection is a narcissist. Nicely, played,
(01:20):
I'm going to keep taking these drugs though, I mean,
I'm kind of funny. Normally this is good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Vintage, I love it. Vintage drugs, vintage ring vantage. All right,
So we talked about last time about how to navigate
the world through our intuition, searching for our guidance in
our body or externally through signs or signals and sometimes
(01:50):
you know, physically like having physical symptoms that hey, pay attention,
this is yes, this is no. And we got some
feedback on that, like that's good. But what if we
don't get that or how how can we practice until
we get that?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Tell me more is what they want?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Basically, tell me more more?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Like did she have but he have a car that's
from Greece? Why? I just I don't know. With you sometimes.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Musicals, I know that I can try. So so we
thought we would we would talk about that, and you know,
we have our favorite tools to go to to make
what you know, we consider the invisible world. So if
we don't get those signs in our body, if we
don't see those visuals either red or green or for me,
(02:36):
white feathers, you know, things like that, if we don't
see that, how do we how do we access that guidance?
How do we amplify that information? And you know, one
of my favorite ways obviously thus rods.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I like you said obviously, Like everybody's like, oh yeah,
that was obvious. That's what I was thinking when Brenda
said what her favorite tool would be dousing rod.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
If you've seen me work, if you've seen you know
I had a reading with me, you know it's dowsing rods.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I love your dowsing rods so much. It's like a helicopter.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's so fun when you do.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Your I know, you sound like Monica from Friends. Oh
I like it. You're like, I know, so Monica, tell us,
why do you like dowsing rods so much?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I like dowsing rods. I think I like dowsing rods
just because it's a just very personal connection for me.
I remember back in the day when I was studying
at Camp Chesterfield and I was talking to one of
my teachers about the dowsing rods and I'm like, well,
you know how you use dowsing rods like this? And
she looked at me and she's like, hmm, no, I
(03:48):
don't know this. This is how you use dowsing rods.
Is that I thought you taught me this, and she said,
I never taught you this, so I think it was
probably a past life or a guide. But like this
is just go to for me, super comfortable and well,
I love having dowsing rods. It's not required because I've
used them for so many decades that I can mimic
(04:09):
it and just to ask is this yes or no?
And it's a very fast check in and it could
be you know, whether I'm choosing a restaurant or you know,
a client, or you know, scheduling something.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And just everybody knows the reason she has to check
restaurants is the onion allergy.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
That makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Is this going to kill me? Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Right right? Yeah, Okay, I have questions about dowsing rods.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Can I start And I'm going to kind of juxtapose
it to pendulums, which we will eventually talk about, because
with pendulums, I'm gonna start with that first. Is that
there are you know, it's a it's a cut usually
cut crystal that is on a chain and all the
crystals in the Crystal Kingdom have been used for the
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end of a pendulum. You also have pendulums that use
different metals, yes, and they work very differently for me.
The whatever the material may be, works drastically different. Actually,
now d housing rods, isn't it just a single metal
or no?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Today is usually they are made with a single metal. However,
you can get them made a lot of different ways. Okay,
I need a lot of crap out there, just so
you know my bumble opinion.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Crap everywhere because they.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Make them too big and too heavy and it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh they will spin well, and then people.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
They get frustrated with it, like I don't know why
this doesn't work for me, and like because it weighs
like a thousand pounds and you're asking, you're asking for
your your guides to move these rods and it's hard,
Like make them light, make them and again I'm also
a fan of making them yourself. You can use an
empty big pen plastic holder and you know a coat
(05:59):
hanger material it's that light and yeah, paper clip, but
then the big pin hold it would be too big.
I don't know what would be little in a hollow
tube okay, And you just hold the plastic around the
metal so the metal can spin and it's just really
super easy to use, and it's super white and it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So this I have another question because this gets to
questions I've had and I don't think I've ever successfully answered.
So I'm going to rely on.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You to So this is seeing the invisible. That's the
name of this episode. This is now like answer to me, impossible. Okay,
go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Going to no, no, no, no, you do have a proper
answer for it, because you're talking about it needs to
be light enough, you know, for your guides to spin, right.
So so that tells me that your source of information
is really your guides for me when I'm more for you. Okay,
(06:59):
So no, with the pendulum. I've heard all different sorts
of things. I've heard it is your higher self, that
the part of you that's not in your body. That's
an evan. I've heard, it's guides. I've heard you're just
reading the energy da da D like I've heard. Also,
so what is it?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
What's the answer depends on the question you're asking, right,
very unsatisfying answer.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It really does. If I could click off, I would.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Right now come out of here.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's just as answer I don't want.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But think about it, like if I'm using it to
clear a space, or if I'm using it to check
a space I've cleared, or I'm using it to find
a vortex, and I'm just going to ask the house
like this, like I seem to it feels like the
vortex is here, and then I'll extend my hand. Like
in my little house just a block from here, there
was like this vortex that was in the fireplace. Like
(07:52):
I had to put my hand into the fireplace and
it would.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Go, Oh my god, talk more wartext too. It's just
for the end of this show, because holy crap, I
love pendulums and voor texas.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, it's so fun, right, it's so fun. But but
this is again just you know, remembering that traditionally a
thousand rods are used to find water, like sources of water.
That's how indigenous cultures found water when they were traveling,
when they were sticks. Yeah, and there are y shaped
(08:29):
a branch basically, and they'd hold the two ends of
the y and then be drawn and directed by the
single stem of the why in the direction of water.
I don't know how that magic works other than it's
nature magic, right, we all.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Know, we call it nature magic. I would totally call
it like native magic. I would call it.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Because like it's nature magic.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, totally very shamanistic type of yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And it's really really clear. And so again that's why
my my teacher looked at me the sideway. She's like, no,
I never taught you that. I don't. I don't own
Dawson Rods. I don't know why you think I taught
you that. It's hilarious. I'm like, I thought you told
me that. She's no. I mean, I know Dawson Rods
people using to find water. I don't know why you're
using them like this because I can because they're fine.
(09:18):
I don't know, funny. So it's just it's just a
very personal.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
If you totally go to And I love it because
like I love when we're on this and the video
call and I asked you a question about something. You
whip those suckers out and there they don't like a mofo,
and I'm like, oh my god, it's like this so witchipoo.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's awesome. Thanks. All right, We're going to take a
break and we'll be right back and come talk about
more tools.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Come back, Okay, we're back everybody, and realized that I
totally interrupted by Wichipoo's flow. Who is going to tell
you how they actually work with all my silly aest questions.
So I think I'm gonna like stfu and let as you.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Do about them again. You're so funny. So for me,
this is how I use them, and apparently not very popular,
but possible. So you would just again hold lightly hold
the plastic and so that holds the metal. That's an
L shape, right, It's just an L shape. So the
(10:26):
short end goes through the tube and the long shape
goes out into the world. And some of the ones
you buy there, so they're heavy and they're long. They're
like twelve inches long. They don't have to be twelve
inches long. They can be six inches long. They can
be the travel version. Like you know, it doesn't matter
as long as it's light and it'll move. And so
what you would do is you just hold them, You
(10:46):
ground yourself, you get still within, and you ask your question,
be very spacious, and then if you're getting to know
the dousing rods, you would say, show me yes, and
it'll show you. It'll either spin out where the rod
part or it'll spin in and sometimes it just moves
ninety degrees. Other times it'll do a whole circle like
(11:06):
the Usually the faster the rods move, the more emphatic
the energy is supporting or defending, you know, declining that option.
That's how I think it is. And if you're just
getting started, it'll just move a little bit and take
it and let it build. And so that's how you
use it. Yeah, it's just really really sweet. So I
(11:28):
will say I did an off site in Chicago recently
that I opened this this training session with how contagious
energy is and this as a team, you know, we
need to take care of each other and pay attention,
like if we say something and it doesn't land and
then all of a sudden people's blocks go up or
(11:48):
they get offended, you know, like we have to pay
attention to the energy we're creating as we engage with
each other. And so I did the demonstration that I
love so much, and I pulled out a set of
dousing rods and it was so funny because the woman
who hired me was like, yeah, yeah, bring all your magic.
I want the team to have everything she said. And
then on the plane, I started thinking dowsing rods. I'm
(12:09):
wondering how that's going to go over with this very
corporate team, right, And she said, but you did it
so seamlessly, like it was just I said, so, I
want you guys to see this. This is just a demonstration.
So I put someone in a far corner and I
go to the other side of this room and I
tell this this person, I just all I say, is
I need a volunteer. Right. They have no idea what
I'm asking someone like, I'll volunteer, and like, excellent, I
(12:30):
have my subjects exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You do it so innocently and welcoming. They have no.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Screwed, not at all, not at all. And so I
put her in the corner and I asked her to
think about something that makes her so happy. She can
hardly contain the energy. And I just have her closer
eyes as I walk as far away from her as
I can with my dowsing rods, and I tell them
like it's hard to and I show them it's hard
to control these, you know. But they this is going
to hit the edge of her field. And usually I
(12:57):
have to back up because people get so their fields
get so expansive when they're happy, and the rods part
they go away from each other when they hit the
edge of someone's field and it's and I'm like, this
is the edge of her energy field right here, so
you guys can see it, right, and they're kind of
no one kind of looks at me like I'm like, okay,
so just take my word for it. We'll play with
(13:19):
this later. And then I have her shake, you know,
I go shake that off, shake off that good feeling thought.
And now I want you to think of something on
the other end of the spectrum. Think of something that
really makes you so mad or so frustrated or so hurt,
and I just want you to embody it, just feel
it fully, and you can just feel like the energy
just gets sucks sucked into, like it just collapses on her.
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And then I start walking towards her very slowly with
my douse some rods pointing towards her. And usually when
I get sometimes a foot sometimes six inches away from someone,
the rods cross and I'm like, now this is the
edge of her field. She's completely collapsed, Like her field
is just trunk. It's so tiny, she has no energy
(14:00):
blowing through her. She can't contribute a lot like she's
just collapsed on itself. So then I have her shake
it off again, and as I walk to the other
side of the room and I'm like, shake that off,
shake it off, shake it off. And then I have
her re expand and then I check again and she's
all restored. And so this is like just it's a
fun dowsing rod demonstration. So powerful. But so when you
(14:21):
ask what are you asking? How are you measuring? It
depends on what you're doing with the rods. You know.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I had somebody that would do lay lines.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, that's good, that's a good way.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, doing lay lines, And somebody had lay lines that
were kind of crossing over their bed.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
If the bed's going the wrong way across the lay.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Line, yeah, that's because they haven't slept.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
If you can turn the bed, and sometimes you can,
but if you can turn the bed ninety degrees to
go with the lay line, it's a lot of it
supports a flow of energy, so sleeping would be easier
that way. I'm sure that's they do that, they.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I think, so they probably right. Yeah, yeah, you know,
I use I'm going to get into dowsing rods. I
have a set I think they're too big. I was
listening to you, and I'm like, well, I'm the one
that likes to buy everything. The bigger the better, so
probably mispurchased mine. But I'll go back. There's the there's
(15:22):
the dowsing what are they called. There's a website and
they sell dowsing rods on it. It's like the dowsing
not academy. That sounds weird. Anyway, I think you're gonna
look for it while I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I'm gonna look for But this is if you buy
big dowsing rods, it's not a problem like I can.
I obviously can use them. I've used them forever, but
it's it's just harder. The best website for me is
it's called get intuitive dot com. Okay, and that's it's
(15:59):
just really good because.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I learned from somebody had little tiny ones, like for
little tiny people, and they were just fine, and they
her like her little to go. She could put them
in her pocket and they were just like they were little.
They were probably a uh two three four inches tall.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Oh gosh. I have some that are like an inch
tall and maybe three inches long and long, and those
are my travel rods, and I love them.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, but they're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
They're not. They're not helpful to do that demonstration I
just talked about in front of people, like I had
to give my big ones and then I gave everybody
downcing rods and that in that team. Have you heard
from them, Well, they own a couple of them, opened
it up and they're like, these are hard to control?
How do you do that? I might just keep playing
with them. They're fun. That's really cute.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
So I was taught with a pendulum. That was good.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So we're gonna take a break, and then when we
come back and talk about.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You know what, when I have an idea, let's take
a break, we'll.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Be right back and welcome back to the pendulum portion
of our episode.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
The pendulum portion of Seeing the Invisible. You know, I,
like I said, I've played around with some dossing reds.
I think I want to get into it more, especially
here in Santa Fe or just the kind of the
whole western part of the country. There's so much, so
many physical locations of spirituality.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Super charged, right, I mean, there's so many vortexes out there.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So incredibly charged. Even from like I was on the
phone with my contractor the other day and he was
like out just taking a little walk. It was like
on a Sunday. We're friends now, you know, even though
he's not a mechanic. So so he uh, he was
(18:03):
out like just walking along this little creek and he
sends me a picture of a handful of these like
ancient pottery shards because they're just it's all over here
like this. This the location here has so much history
that I would really I think Dowsing Roads would be
really interesting to kind of.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Whip out check it out.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah right, so I will be going to that website. So,
but I was taught with a pendulum and taught taught
like that was part of my Trends Crystal Therapy training.
It's it's also what I was in. The training started
with using the pendulum to check people's like the main seven.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I used to sit in bars and do it. I
know you shamed me for that before, but I just said,
I tell everybody can shame for it.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Read reading. It's different than reading in the bar. That's
totally different.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
No no reading in the bar, just the reading. And
I tell you that it was pretty incredible. Is when
I started to work with it. It wasn't just being
practical like it's closed, it's it's open, it's overcharged, it's stay,
it's It wasn't just that. It's like I could read
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like what the pension was telling me, and then I
got all this download of information. It was amazing because
I would talk about it right and stuff would fly
out of my mouth and I'm like, okay, have no idea.
It sounds like me, but it's not me.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Then you're working with your chemist, right.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's exactly what I must have been doing, because it
was amazing.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Your spare guide, who's the chemist, who's a who's a
body doctor and an energy doctor? Right, because that's their jam,
that's their that's their lane. Yeah, which is great.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
So I started with that, right and crazy things like
just it was crazy, and then I really started to
use them on people's organs, parts of their bodies. I
started asking questions that had nothing to do with physical things.
And where's what I learned. I think there's a couple
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important components to it, because anytime you show somebody pendulum,
they want to tell you that you're moving it. Because
you're going to have people that are going to want
to tell you are wrong, because that's what we do
these days. You were wrong, you were full of shit,
you were wrong. So I always anchor my I hold
up my right hand, but I anchor that right elbow
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either into my leg or to a chair or something
like that where literally it's not moving right. And I
always put my hand underneath. I don't know why. Maybe
you can answer that, but always have my hand underneath.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Because you're making energy available to the pendulum to use
from the palm chakra.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh, there you go.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
That's why I'm doing it. Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
That's right, always right. But here's the most important thing
that I think. No matter what you're using, what tool
you use, whether you're out with a Y shaped stick
looking for water, which, by the way, one day we
all will be doing that again. Yes, I hate to
break it to everybody, but get your sticks out, or
if you're using a Dawson rod, or if you're using
a pendulum. And I think you mentioned this, but member,
(21:29):
I'm on drug, so I don't know what happened two
seconds ago. Is I always am neutral to whatever the
answer is. Neutrality is so crucial because if you will
something hard enough, that device is going to tell you
what you want to hear. It just will you know.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But if you're neutral to it, and the reason is
not because you're evil, but because intention matters, right. So
your intention that you're holding while you're doing this practice matters.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Is energy, right, So it's like you're shifting it.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, if you're stack in the deck, it's going to
show up.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I mean, there is no doubt. There are things I
would like to have a certain outcome, but I've learned
to not do that. And well, one of the funniest
things that I did when I because you know, I'm
obsessive and like to practice and I'll do it anywhere
and everywhere, and I don't care who it is. Yes,
but I was at cinemacn in Vegas. They just actually
(22:29):
had CinemaCon just recently, and this is where the theaters
go and show their most recent films to the I
mean the studios do for the theater owners. And they
also tried out all the talent and stuff like when
we showed the full movie The Heat. I know you
remember that. I still talk about.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It favorite nights, And.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
We trotted out like Melissa McCarthy and Sandy Bullock on
the stage, and I think Melissa kept calling it CinemaCon
Cinnamon con, you know, so this is CinemaCon. So one night,
we're all standing outside of whatever restaurant it was, and
I see the head of marketing for Universal Pictures. And
this was probably two months before pitch Perfect two was
(23:18):
going to be released, and I went up to I
didn't know him very well, just FYI, it's different. If
I know you, you solely expect me to do shit
like this, but if you don't know me, you're like, huh.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Interesting, yeah, odd, yeah, back away.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
So I go up to him like, hey, I'm so
excited about pitch Perfect too, because I love the first one.
And I said, I think it's going to open to
seventy million. He goes, Julie, there is no way on
earth that movie's going to open to seventy and I said,
I've checked. Said, in fact, my pendulum does better at
predicting box office than all the nerds alive put together
(23:58):
time and I pulled up my pendulum.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Screw your algorithm. I have a pendulum.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Your fucking algorithm. I have a pendulum. And so and
I started, because with a pendulum, you really need to
ask specific questions, so I would say, will it open
to more than forty million? Yes? Will it open to
more than fifty yes? So I keep, you know, ratching
that up. And then I get to will it open
at seventy and it said yes, Ago will open to
(24:26):
seventy one. No, that's some the bitch a movie open
to seventy And I had that shit predicted from my
pendulum way out. So because a I was neutral, I mean,
here's it's interesting. I didn't really care what the outcome was.
It wasn't my movie, so I was very neutral allowed it.
And the funny thing is I have very heavy pendulums,
(24:48):
and that thing was spinning like a helicopter's whirling were laying.
And that's what I also found, based on what you
said about dowsing rods, is what I found with pendulums
is the more fatic, the wider the circle will be,
whether it's a yes or no.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
So that love that. I love that. What did he
ever confirm with you? Oh? My god, you're right.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Oh afterwards he's like, I don't even know what to
say to you.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
That's awesome, that's perfect, Like I don't even know what
to say, like that's all I needed.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I'm like, you know, that's that's actually the biggest compliment ever.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, exactly, I love Yeah. Now, I will say this
part of my neutralizing process, like is that I have
a very light hold on both my pendulums and my
and my Dawson rods. However, I need to put a
disclaimer on that because truth be told, both of them
have flown out of my hands at different I love it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's fun.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
It's just literally will like sometimes they'll hit me in
the face, the Dalsing rods, not the pendulums, but the
pendulums will just take off in ninety degrees across the room.
So I did that. Yeah. But but part of me
being neutral is like I just have a really light hold,
and I'm telling you there's that there's too light to say,
you know. And I learned how to use a pendulum
from the Holistic Holistic Nursing Association working with Healing Touch,
(26:14):
because that's that's what you do because you have to
document to get certified. You have to document all your
healing sessions, and you have to document where the chuckras
are in the opening passage, so they teach that.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
It's part of them Oh that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's part of the process.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I love that, and I actually use I have different
pendulums for different things, like yeah, I can we move
to our house, by the way, so I can have
everything organized again. But yeah, there's different. I have a
new mic pendulum, of course you do, right, right. Yeah,
but that's like that's the deep that they work, really deep.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah yeah, and yeah, but again people get them too heavy.
I find to start because they're they're like attracted to
the shiny object, right, and it's just easier to work
with a lighter one. It's just easier. It's not better.
It's not worse.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
No, I agree, by the way, Like I started with
a light pendulum, then I got to heavy pendulums, you know,
because they're fancy, they're they're artistic. Now.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, and once you have the skill, it doesn't matter
what size it is. You can it's like.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Way, I don't even need it anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, well exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I like them, but I don't even need them. You know,
I have that thing in my head. I get that
pendulum in my Maraine.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Every once in a while has a little.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Like that's what I'm trying to get your attention then
exactly right.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's like I used me, bitch, So do we need
to have another break or can we I just have
one last story. We'll just do one last I just
will say because I had kind of teased about talking
about vortexes and pendulums. And we'll actually share this video
because we have it on video. I have a very
(27:57):
interesting friend. You wouldn't really think think of Julie the
Elf would be friends with this person. So any fans
of Dukes of Hazard out there, because John Schnyder is
(28:17):
a friend of mine, weird. He's super handsome, he's a sweetheart.
We met at an Oprah event because he used to
be on one of her series that was on own
and he walked by me. Yeah, he was Have and
Have nots he was on and I remember he walked
by me this kind of ballroom thing in New York
and I looked at him and I mouthed.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I love you, subtle, I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I did the same thing to Melsa McCarthy and he
looked at me and he's like, I'm gonna come sit
by you. I wouldn't suit your ass down. So we
became friends. So John has a I don't know what
you call it. It's outside of Baton Rouge, a big
thing of land and a whole bunch of shit on it,
(29:05):
houses and cars and generally and all that kind of stuff.
It's like a compound. Yeah, and he's the one who
actually just lost his wife, who I absolutely loved. So yeah,
everybody take a moment, you know, say a little prayer
for Alicia. Really amazing woman. So John, So, Alicia was
(29:25):
going to make dinner for us that night, and we
were just kind of pillowed around and John said, hey,
I think something's going on in the white House, not
the real white House, his white house on his land.
And he goes, will you just go see I think?
I mean, I don't know if somebody's there, blah blah
blah blah blah. I went, all right, it's fine, y'all
leave me alone and I'll let you know. Because I
(29:47):
don't like people. Following an audience is not helpful. So
I get into the kitchen and holy batshit, that pendulum
was could have flown out of my hand. And I
brought him back in. I said, okay, y'all, here's what's
going on. There's a you have a vortex of some
(30:09):
sort that's going on in this kitchen. So I want
you to see it, and then let's kind of get
it kind of tamped down because this isn't helpful or
necessary to this be inside someone's house. And so we
have a video of this pendulum and all of us
like kind of flipping out watching it. Twere like crazy. That,
by the way, was for anybody who bought either the
(30:29):
moldavite or the cosmic pendulums from us. That's what that was.
That was right because I think sometimes right because I
think sometimes those high ribe stones can pick up on things.
That's why I have kind of a pendulum arsenal for
everything at this point. Yeah, so we'll share that it was.
(30:50):
It was really fun. And there was an old guy
who was kind of messing around out there. I kind
of sent him on his way, but he was the
least of anybody's problems.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I'm curious how did he discern or feel that there
was something going on out there? Did he explain that.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
He felt it. I think that he has I mean,
I hate to say this, I don't, but I feel
my opinion is he has a lot of psychic powers,
and I think he felt something was going on.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You know, my experience is so many creative people are
downloading so much inspiration and they have access to so
much that sometimes can get overwhelming, like sometimes almost self
medicating sort of situation. Yes, yeah, And so I think
when they get introduced to the energetic world in a
(31:38):
way that offered structure, it can be super helpful to them,
you know, like like.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yes, because it's either identifying or it gives them some
level of control.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
But it contains instead of like water on pavement, like
this is how you want to access it and contain
it and direct it and work with it instead of
just this overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, so that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, it was. It was so fascinating.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Evening sounds magical, sounds magical, and it was, and it's
just fun to see the pendulum go crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
It was fun to see go crazy. And then he
and Alicia had some moonshine, and so they gave us
the ball of moonshine and we all signed the bottle.
So we still have that.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, but anyway, so I have I have video evidence
that we will share with everyone that this episode comes
up because it was wild.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And then the funny thing to one last note is Suzanne.
She was like, here, let me try it. It didn't move. Yeah, pendulum,
it's not yours, it's mine.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Right, I really feel And it could be because many
pendulums not all work with stones, natural stones and Dawson
rods don't. They're usually lightweight metal. But pendulums can be
fussy like that. They won't work with you, and that's
when it's pretty generous and forgiving. They'll work with anybody.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well I think, I think, yeah, I think you're right,
and I'm glad you brought that up because I really
think that pendulums are some piky bitches for real, Like
I've I mean, I nothing I love more than they
go into a crystal store and they have them hanging
on one of those little circle things that you can
spin around, and I like just kind of setting my
(33:25):
hand out and seeing who gets activated and who moved. Oh,
I see some of them that don't move at all,
and some of them are like trying to fly off,
like fly into my hand home. Oh my god, that's
exactly what they do. So it's a really interesting kind
of thing. If you ever find yourself, you know, in
a crystal store that has the pendulums is kind of
(33:45):
you know, do what you've taught us before, which is
activate your hand chakras and in the circular motion and
then put it down. You have to do anything else
like this. This is no X Men movie. You just
put your fucking hand down.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Well and really they and so you would go open
either directly at them, but I like to go underneath them.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I do under ye an angle under.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, and so that the points are pointing down because
they're hanging and you'll see which one connects with you.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
It's really fun. Yeah, really, I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I just say, you know, I don't buy jewelry without
doing something like that, like all like from pearls to
diamonds to whatever I'm buying because you know, you know
I like my jewels.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You do. I did not know that, but weird.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
But I'm telling you that's how I buy my jewelry. Like,
do you want to go home with me? Is this, Mike,
according to my highest code.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I've been doing that, listen. I've been doing that with
stuff for our house.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, that's all you have.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
To We just got some reclaimed wood, I tell you, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna draw this out just a couple more.
Its just some funny shit because I'm afraid I'll forget.
We bought some reclaimed wood from a farm right outside
of Roswell, New Mexico, and it's for the love of God,
and we're calling it alien wood. We also have wood
that is from a polo field in Pie Town, New Mexico.
(35:09):
I mean, it's fucking pie Town. So we have pie
my favorite food group, and then aliens my favorite creatures.
So so I think they're now referred to as off
planet beings or off planet beings. But there's a story
behind it, like apparently that they allegedly there was a crash,
(35:29):
and there's a lot of people claiming there was a crash. Ye,
And this farm owner actually found a piece of metal
and he kept trying to flatten it out, but it
kept twirling up, and then he took it to I
guess the army, the military, whoever it was. Two weeks lay,
the guy shows up and he has now become the
town drunk. Oh yeah, oh your eyes, Oh my god,
(35:52):
you guys, you could see her eyes. Oh there's real
shit that happened in Roswell and care who you are?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So, anyway, we have some alien wood that we're putting
in there. And then anyway really fun stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Just make sure when I come to visit that I
don't go into that room.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Okay, you know what that's it's going to be in
the casita. You won't go in the casino. You'll go
wave at it.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
It'll be fine, okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
And any place there's not I'm going to be putting
rocks in it. Oh, I'll neutralize the bad stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
So thank you for that story. Get a slash warning,
and so thanks for listening everybody. Hopefully we've given you
some tools to think about. I just also want to
give a shout out because I have to can't help
myself for wanting guidance to see. That's Lulu, baby girl
telling us to that. To wrap this up. But when
(36:43):
you want to see what's unseen turned to Torou, Yes,
and that's you. Guys know how I feel about Torow.
And I am teaching a Torou too in person and
in Cincinnati in August. So if you have studied with
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Speaker 2 (37:07):
I love that. Oh my god, everybody seriously. And here's
the beauty that I think is the difference of some
of these tools is you get more surface information from
the like a pendulum, but you get storytelling from And
I think that's what makes it so incredibly magic, is
like it's full on storytelling. It's not like, yeah, Julie
(37:31):
buy the Alien would because you're a dipshit.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
It's fine, that's also a story well.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
But TROW gives you such in depth storytelling and I
think that's what I love so much about it.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
And if you haven't taken Toro one, please consider coming
to estallin in September. I was supposed to teach it
in last month whenever that was, and it got canceled
because of all the blockage and shutdown of how we won.
So please consider coming to September. Is to ROW Class
Level one. It's gonna be amazing, and we tell stories
all week long while we're downloading spirit stories. It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
So good.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, it's gonna be great, so good. All right, that's
what I got.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Okay, thanks everybody, but wait, we haven't done our sign off.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I'm well aware. You're just gonna say thanks for listening
and for expanding your vision to What's invisible, because it's
really helpful navigating our school, which is hard.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Without the other side and without pendulums and tools and
your witchipoo and alien wood, you might and my alpha
and you're ill. Peace out, everybody, Thanks.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Everybody, Thank you for joining us. Everyone, and a special
thanks to our producer Joey Patt and our executive producer
Maya Cole Howard, who guides us while we guide.
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Speaker 3 (39:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Hi, y'all, I'm Julie.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Hi there, I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the
Other Side.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
Now, y'all need to know that we are obsessed with
everything on the other side.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Yes, we are, because once you learn to navigate the energetic,
or to some the invisible world, life is going to
be more fun and much more serene.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
Uh heck, yes it can, because, let's be honest, brand
earth school is hard.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
In fact, you taught me.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
That let's crush earth School together.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, hello, my giggly WITCHI pooh, good lord woman, what
is wrong with you?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Nicely, I'm just gonna get back in my lane. I'm good.
How are you? My elf?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Oh my god, I'm still dealing with a little bit
of motayness, but it's starting to go away more. But yeah,
but we're not going to talk about it because we're
going to ignore that it exists, and maybe it'll really
go away, kind of like a narcissist them and you
hope they just go away. That's how I'm treating my
sign is infection. My infection is a narcissist. Nicely, played,
(01:20):
I'm going to keep taking these drugs though, I mean,
I'm kind of funny. Normally this is good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Vintage, I love it. Vintage drugs, vintage ring vantage. All right,
So we talked about last time about how to navigate
the world through our intuition, searching for our guidance in
our body or externally through signs or signals and sometimes
(01:50):
you know, physically like having physical symptoms that hey, pay attention,
this is yes, this is no. And we got some
feedback on that, like that's good. But what if we
don't get that or how how can we practice until
we get that?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Tell me more is what they want?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Basically, tell me more more?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Like did she have but he have a car that's
from Greece? Why? I just I don't know. With you sometimes.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Musicals, I know that I can try. So so we
thought we would we would talk about that, and you know,
we have our favorite tools to go to to make
what you know, we consider the invisible world. So if
we don't get those signs in our body, if we
don't see those visuals either red or green or for me,
(02:36):
white feathers, you know, things like that, if we don't
see that, how do we how do we access that guidance?
How do we amplify that information? And you know, one
of my favorite ways obviously thus rods.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
I like you said obviously, Like everybody's like, oh yeah,
that was obvious. That's what I was thinking when Brenda
said what her favorite tool would be dousing rod.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
If you've seen me work, if you've seen you know
I had a reading with me, you know it's dowsing rods.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I love your dowsing rods so much. It's like a helicopter.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
It's so fun when you do.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Your I know, you sound like Monica from Friends. Oh
I like it. You're like, I know, so Monica, tell us,
why do you like dowsing rods so much?
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I like dowsing rods. I think I like dowsing rods
just because it's a just very personal connection for me.
I remember back in the day when I was studying
at Camp Chesterfield and I was talking to one of
my teachers about the dowsing rods and I'm like, well,
you know how you use dowsing rods like this? And
she looked at me and she's like, hmm, no, I
(03:48):
don't know this. This is how you use dowsing rods.
Is that I thought you taught me this, and she said,
I never taught you this, so I think it was
probably a past life or a guide. But like this
is just go to for me, super comfortable and well,
I love having dowsing rods. It's not required because I've
used them for so many decades that I can mimic
(04:09):
it and just to ask is this yes or no?
And it's a very fast check in and it could
be you know, whether I'm choosing a restaurant or you know,
a client, or you know, scheduling something.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
And just everybody knows the reason she has to check
restaurants is the onion allergy.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
That makes all the sense in the world.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Is this going to kill me? Yes?
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Right right? Yeah, Okay, I have questions about dowsing rods.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Ye.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Can I start And I'm going to kind of juxtapose
it to pendulums, which we will eventually talk about, because
with pendulums, I'm gonna start with that first. Is that
there are you know, it's a it's a cut usually
cut crystal that is on a chain and all the
crystals in the Crystal Kingdom have been used for the
(04:58):
end of a pendulum. You also have pendulums that use
different metals, yes, and they work very differently for me.
The whatever the material may be, works drastically different. Actually,
now d housing rods, isn't it just a single metal
or no?
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Today is usually they are made with a single metal. However,
you can get them made a lot of different ways. Okay,
I need a lot of crap out there, just so
you know my bumble opinion.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Crap everywhere because they.
Speaker 3 (05:31):
Make them too big and too heavy and it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Oh they will spin well, and then people.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
They get frustrated with it, like I don't know why
this doesn't work for me, and like because it weighs
like a thousand pounds and you're asking, you're asking for
your your guides to move these rods and it's hard,
Like make them light, make them and again I'm also
a fan of making them yourself. You can use an
empty big pen plastic holder and you know a coat
(05:59):
hanger material it's that light and yeah, paper clip, but
then the big pin hold it would be too big.
I don't know what would be little in a hollow
tube okay, And you just hold the plastic around the
metal so the metal can spin and it's just really
super easy to use, and it's super white and it's fantastic.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
So this I have another question because this gets to
questions I've had and I don't think I've ever successfully answered.
So I'm going to rely on.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
You to So this is seeing the invisible. That's the
name of this episode. This is now like answer to me, impossible. Okay,
go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Going to no, no, no, no, you do have a proper
answer for it, because you're talking about it needs to
be light enough, you know, for your guides to spin, right.
So so that tells me that your source of information
is really your guides for me when I'm more for you. Okay,
(06:59):
So no, with the pendulum. I've heard all different sorts
of things. I've heard it is your higher self, that
the part of you that's not in your body. That's
an evan. I've heard, it's guides. I've heard you're just
reading the energy da da D like I've heard. Also,
so what is it?
Speaker 3 (07:14):
What's the answer depends on the question you're asking, right,
very unsatisfying answer.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
It really does. If I could click off, I would.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Right now come out of here.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
It's just as answer I don't want.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But think about it, like if I'm using it to
clear a space, or if I'm using it to check
a space I've cleared, or I'm using it to find
a vortex, and I'm just going to ask the house
like this, like I seem to it feels like the
vortex is here, and then I'll extend my hand. Like
in my little house just a block from here, there
was like this vortex that was in the fireplace. Like
(07:52):
I had to put my hand into the fireplace and
it would.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Go, Oh my god, talk more wartext too. It's just
for the end of this show, because holy crap, I
love pendulums and voor texas.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, it's so fun, right, it's so fun. But but
this is again just you know, remembering that traditionally a
thousand rods are used to find water, like sources of water.
That's how indigenous cultures found water when they were traveling,
when they were sticks. Yeah, and there are y shaped
(08:29):
a branch basically, and they'd hold the two ends of
the y and then be drawn and directed by the
single stem of the why in the direction of water.
I don't know how that magic works other than it's
nature magic, right, we all.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Know, we call it nature magic. I would totally call
it like native magic. I would call it.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Because like it's nature magic.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah, totally very shamanistic type of yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
And it's really really clear. And so again that's why
my my teacher looked at me the sideway. She's like, no,
I never taught you that. I don't. I don't own
Dawson Rods. I don't know why you think I taught
you that. It's hilarious. I'm like, I thought you told
me that. She's no. I mean, I know Dawson Rods
people using to find water. I don't know why you're
using them like this because I can because they're fine.
(09:18):
I don't know, funny. So it's just it's just a
very personal.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
If you totally go to And I love it because
like I love when we're on this and the video
call and I asked you a question about something. You
whip those suckers out and there they don't like a mofo,
and I'm like, oh my god, it's like this so witchipoo.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
It's awesome. Thanks. All right, We're going to take a
break and we'll be right back and come talk about
more tools.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Come back, Okay, we're back everybody, and realized that I
totally interrupted by Wichipoo's flow. Who is going to tell
you how they actually work with all my silly aest questions.
So I think I'm gonna like stfu and let as you.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
Do about them again. You're so funny. So for me,
this is how I use them, and apparently not very popular,
but possible. So you would just again hold lightly hold
the plastic and so that holds the metal. That's an
L shape, right, It's just an L shape. So the
(10:26):
short end goes through the tube and the long shape
goes out into the world. And some of the ones
you buy there, so they're heavy and they're long. They're
like twelve inches long. They don't have to be twelve
inches long. They can be six inches long. They can
be the travel version. Like you know, it doesn't matter
as long as it's light and it'll move. And so
what you would do is you just hold them, You
(10:46):
ground yourself, you get still within, and you ask your question,
be very spacious, and then if you're getting to know
the dousing rods, you would say, show me yes, and
it'll show you. It'll either spin out where the rod
part or it'll spin in and sometimes it just moves
ninety degrees. Other times it'll do a whole circle like
(11:06):
the Usually the faster the rods move, the more emphatic
the energy is supporting or defending, you know, declining that option.
That's how I think it is. And if you're just
getting started, it'll just move a little bit and take
it and let it build. And so that's how you
use it. Yeah, it's just really really sweet. So I
(11:28):
will say I did an off site in Chicago recently
that I opened this this training session with how contagious
energy is and this as a team, you know, we
need to take care of each other and pay attention,
like if we say something and it doesn't land and
then all of a sudden people's blocks go up or
(11:48):
they get offended, you know, like we have to pay
attention to the energy we're creating as we engage with
each other. And so I did the demonstration that I
love so much, and I pulled out a set of
dousing rods and it was so funny because the woman
who hired me was like, yeah, yeah, bring all your magic.
I want the team to have everything she said. And
then on the plane, I started thinking dowsing rods. I'm
(12:09):
wondering how that's going to go over with this very
corporate team, right, And she said, but you did it
so seamlessly, like it was just I said, so, I
want you guys to see this. This is just a demonstration.
So I put someone in a far corner and I
go to the other side of this room and I
tell this this person, I just all I say, is
I need a volunteer. Right. They have no idea what
I'm asking someone like, I'll volunteer, and like, excellent, I
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have my subjects exactly.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You do it so innocently and welcoming. They have no.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Screwed, not at all, not at all. And so I
put her in the corner and I asked her to
think about something that makes her so happy. She can
hardly contain the energy. And I just have her closer
eyes as I walk as far away from her as
I can with my dowsing rods, and I tell them
like it's hard to and I show them it's hard
to control these, you know. But they this is going
to hit the edge of her field. And usually I
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have to back up because people get so their fields
get so expansive when they're happy, and the rods part
they go away from each other when they hit the
edge of someone's field and it's and I'm like, this
is the edge of her energy field right here, so
you guys can see it, right, and they're kind of
no one kind of looks at me like I'm like, okay,
so just take my word for it. We'll play with
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this later. And then I have her shake, you know,
I go shake that off, shake off that good feeling thought.
And now I want you to think of something on
the other end of the spectrum. Think of something that
really makes you so mad or so frustrated or so hurt,
and I just want you to embody it, just feel
it fully, and you can just feel like the energy
just gets sucks sucked into, like it just collapses on her.
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And then I start walking towards her very slowly with
my douse some rods pointing towards her. And usually when
I get sometimes a foot sometimes six inches away from someone,
the rods cross and I'm like, now this is the
edge of her field. She's completely collapsed, Like her field
is just trunk. It's so tiny, she has no energy
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blowing through her. She can't contribute a lot like she's
just collapsed on itself. So then I have her shake
it off again, and as I walk to the other
side of the room and I'm like, shake that off,
shake it off, shake it off. And then I have
her re expand and then I check again and she's
all restored. And so this is like just it's a
fun dowsing rod demonstration. So powerful. But so when you
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ask what are you asking? How are you measuring? It
depends on what you're doing with the rods. You know.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I had somebody that would do lay lines.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, that's good, that's a good way.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
Yeah, doing lay lines, And somebody had lay lines that
were kind of crossing over their bed.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
If the bed's going the wrong way across the lay.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Line, yeah, that's because they haven't slept.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
If you can turn the bed, and sometimes you can,
but if you can turn the bed ninety degrees to
go with the lay line, it's a lot of it
supports a flow of energy, so sleeping would be easier
that way. I'm sure that's they do that, they.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I think, so they probably right. Yeah, yeah, you know,
I use I'm going to get into dowsing rods. I
have a set I think they're too big. I was
listening to you, and I'm like, well, I'm the one
that likes to buy everything. The bigger the better, so
probably mispurchased mine. But I'll go back. There's the there's
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the dowsing what are they called. There's a website and
they sell dowsing rods on it. It's like the dowsing
not academy. That sounds weird. Anyway, I think you're gonna
look for it while I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
I'm gonna look for But this is if you buy
big dowsing rods, it's not a problem like I can.
I obviously can use them. I've used them forever, but
it's it's just harder. The best website for me is
it's called get intuitive dot com. Okay, and that's it's
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just really good because.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I learned from somebody had little tiny ones, like for
little tiny people, and they were just fine, and they
her like her little to go. She could put them
in her pocket and they were just like they were little.
They were probably a uh two three four inches tall.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Oh gosh. I have some that are like an inch
tall and maybe three inches long and long, and those
are my travel rods, and I love them.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, but they're exactly right.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
They're not. They're not helpful to do that demonstration I
just talked about in front of people, like I had
to give my big ones and then I gave everybody
downcing rods and that in that team. Have you heard
from them, Well, they own a couple of them, opened
it up and they're like, these are hard to control?
How do you do that? I might just keep playing
with them. They're fun. That's really cute.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
So I was taught with a pendulum. That was good.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So we're gonna take a break, and then when we
come back and talk about.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
You know what, when I have an idea, let's take
a break, we'll.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Be right back and welcome back to the pendulum portion
of our episode.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
The pendulum portion of Seeing the Invisible. You know, I,
like I said, I've played around with some dossing reds.
I think I want to get into it more, especially
here in Santa Fe or just the kind of the
whole western part of the country. There's so much, so
many physical locations of spirituality.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Super charged, right, I mean, there's so many vortexes out there.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So incredibly charged. Even from like I was on the
phone with my contractor the other day and he was
like out just taking a little walk. It was like
on a Sunday. We're friends now, you know, even though
he's not a mechanic. So so he uh, he was
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out like just walking along this little creek and he
sends me a picture of a handful of these like
ancient pottery shards because they're just it's all over here
like this. This the location here has so much history
that I would really I think Dowsing Roads would be
really interesting to kind of.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Whip out check it out.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah right, so I will be going to that website. So,
but I was taught with a pendulum and taught taught
like that was part of my Trends Crystal Therapy training.
It's it's also what I was in. The training started
with using the pendulum to check people's like the main seven.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I used to sit in bars and do it. I
know you shamed me for that before, but I just said,
I tell everybody can shame for it.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Read reading. It's different than reading in the bar. That's
totally different.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
No no reading in the bar, just the reading. And
I tell you that it was pretty incredible. Is when
I started to work with it. It wasn't just being
practical like it's closed, it's it's open, it's overcharged, it's stay,
it's It wasn't just that. It's like I could read
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like what the pension was telling me, and then I
got all this download of information. It was amazing because
I would talk about it right and stuff would fly
out of my mouth and I'm like, okay, have no idea.
It sounds like me, but it's not me.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Then you're working with your chemist, right.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
That's exactly what I must have been doing, because it
was amazing.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Your spare guide, who's the chemist, who's a who's a
body doctor and an energy doctor? Right, because that's their jam,
that's their that's their lane. Yeah, which is great.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
So I started with that, right and crazy things like
just it was crazy, and then I really started to
use them on people's organs, parts of their bodies. I
started asking questions that had nothing to do with physical things.
And where's what I learned. I think there's a couple
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important components to it, because anytime you show somebody pendulum,
they want to tell you that you're moving it. Because
you're going to have people that are going to want
to tell you are wrong, because that's what we do
these days. You were wrong, you were full of shit,
you were wrong. So I always anchor my I hold
up my right hand, but I anchor that right elbow
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either into my leg or to a chair or something
like that where literally it's not moving right. And I
always put my hand underneath. I don't know why. Maybe
you can answer that, but always have my hand underneath.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Because you're making energy available to the pendulum to use
from the palm chakra.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Oh, there you go.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
That's why I'm doing it. Yeah, that's what I thought.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
That's right, always right. But here's the most important thing
that I think. No matter what you're using, what tool
you use, whether you're out with a Y shaped stick
looking for water, which, by the way, one day we
all will be doing that again. Yes, I hate to
break it to everybody, but get your sticks out, or
if you're using a Dawson rod, or if you're using
a pendulum. And I think you mentioned this, but member,
(21:29):
I'm on drug, so I don't know what happened two
seconds ago. Is I always am neutral to whatever the
answer is. Neutrality is so crucial because if you will
something hard enough, that device is going to tell you
what you want to hear. It just will you know.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
But if you're neutral to it, and the reason is
not because you're evil, but because intention matters, right. So
your intention that you're holding while you're doing this practice matters.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Is energy, right, So it's like you're shifting it.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Yeah, if you're stack in the deck, it's going to
show up.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I mean, there is no doubt. There are things I
would like to have a certain outcome, but I've learned
to not do that. And well, one of the funniest
things that I did when I because you know, I'm
obsessive and like to practice and I'll do it anywhere
and everywhere, and I don't care who it is. Yes,
but I was at cinemacn in Vegas. They just actually
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had CinemaCon just recently, and this is where the theaters
go and show their most recent films to the I
mean the studios do for the theater owners. And they
also tried out all the talent and stuff like when
we showed the full movie The Heat. I know you
remember that. I still talk about.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
It favorite nights, And.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
We trotted out like Melissa McCarthy and Sandy Bullock on
the stage, and I think Melissa kept calling it CinemaCon
Cinnamon con, you know, so this is CinemaCon. So one night,
we're all standing outside of whatever restaurant it was, and
I see the head of marketing for Universal Pictures. And
this was probably two months before pitch Perfect two was
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going to be released, and I went up to I
didn't know him very well, just FYI, it's different. If
I know you, you solely expect me to do shit
like this, but if you don't know me, you're like, huh.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
Interesting, yeah, odd, yeah, back away.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
So I go up to him like, hey, I'm so
excited about pitch Perfect too, because I love the first one.
And I said, I think it's going to open to
seventy million. He goes, Julie, there is no way on
earth that movie's going to open to seventy and I said,
I've checked. Said, in fact, my pendulum does better at
predicting box office than all the nerds alive put together
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time and I pulled up my pendulum.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
Screw your algorithm. I have a pendulum.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
Your fucking algorithm. I have a pendulum. And so and
I started, because with a pendulum, you really need to
ask specific questions, so I would say, will it open
to more than forty million? Yes? Will it open to
more than fifty yes? So I keep, you know, ratching
that up. And then I get to will it open
at seventy and it said yes, Ago will open to
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seventy one. No, that's some the bitch a movie open
to seventy And I had that shit predicted from my
pendulum way out. So because a I was neutral, I mean,
here's it's interesting. I didn't really care what the outcome was.
It wasn't my movie, so I was very neutral allowed it.
And the funny thing is I have very heavy pendulums,
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and that thing was spinning like a helicopter's whirling were laying.
And that's what I also found, based on what you
said about dowsing rods, is what I found with pendulums
is the more fatic, the wider the circle will be,
whether it's a yes or no.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
So that love that. I love that. What did he
ever confirm with you? Oh? My god, you're right.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Oh afterwards he's like, I don't even know what to
say to you.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
That's awesome, that's perfect, Like I don't even know what
to say, like that's all I needed.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
I'm like, you know, that's that's actually the biggest compliment ever.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Yeah, exactly, I love Yeah. Now, I will say this
part of my neutralizing process, like is that I have
a very light hold on both my pendulums and my
and my Dawson rods. However, I need to put a
disclaimer on that because truth be told, both of them
have flown out of my hands at different I love it.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
It's fun.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
It's just literally will like sometimes they'll hit me in
the face, the Dalsing rods, not the pendulums, but the
pendulums will just take off in ninety degrees across the room.
So I did that. Yeah. But but part of me
being neutral is like I just have a really light hold,
and I'm telling you there's that there's too light to say,
you know. And I learned how to use a pendulum
from the Holistic Holistic Nursing Association working with Healing Touch,
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because that's that's what you do because you have to
document to get certified. You have to document all your
healing sessions, and you have to document where the chuckras
are in the opening passage, so they teach that.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
It's part of them Oh that's incredible.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
It's part of the process.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
I love that, and I actually use I have different
pendulums for different things, like yeah, I can we move
to our house, by the way, so I can have
everything organized again. But yeah, there's different. I have a
new mic pendulum, of course you do, right, right. Yeah,
but that's like that's the deep that they work, really deep.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah yeah, and yeah, but again people get them too heavy.
I find to start because they're they're like attracted to
the shiny object, right, and it's just easier to work
with a lighter one. It's just easier. It's not better.
It's not worse.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
No, I agree, by the way, Like I started with
a light pendulum, then I got to heavy pendulums, you know,
because they're fancy, they're they're artistic. Now.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, and once you have the skill, it doesn't matter
what size it is. You can it's like.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Way, I don't even need it anymore.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Yeah, well exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
I like them, but I don't even need them. You know,
I have that thing in my head. I get that
pendulum in my Maraine.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Every once in a while has a little.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Like that's what I'm trying to get your attention then
exactly right.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
It's like I used me, bitch, So do we need
to have another break or can we I just have
one last story. We'll just do one last I just
will say because I had kind of teased about talking
about vortexes and pendulums. And we'll actually share this video
because we have it on video. I have a very
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interesting friend. You wouldn't really think think of Julie the
Elf would be friends with this person. So any fans
of Dukes of Hazard out there, because John Schnyder is
(28:17):
a friend of mine, weird. He's super handsome, he's a sweetheart.
We met at an Oprah event because he used to
be on one of her series that was on own
and he walked by me. Yeah, he was Have and
Have nots he was on and I remember he walked
by me this kind of ballroom thing in New York
and I looked at him and I mouthed.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I love you, subtle, I love it.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
I did the same thing to Melsa McCarthy and he
looked at me and he's like, I'm gonna come sit
by you. I wouldn't suit your ass down. So we
became friends. So John has a I don't know what
you call it. It's outside of Baton Rouge, a big
thing of land and a whole bunch of shit on it,
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houses and cars and generally and all that kind of stuff.
It's like a compound. Yeah, and he's the one who
actually just lost his wife, who I absolutely loved. So yeah,
everybody take a moment, you know, say a little prayer
for Alicia. Really amazing woman. So John, So, Alicia was
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going to make dinner for us that night, and we
were just kind of pillowed around and John said, hey,
I think something's going on in the white House, not
the real white House, his white house on his land.
And he goes, will you just go see I think?
I mean, I don't know if somebody's there, blah blah
blah blah blah. I went, all right, it's fine, y'all
leave me alone and I'll let you know. Because I
(29:47):
don't like people. Following an audience is not helpful. So
I get into the kitchen and holy batshit, that pendulum
was could have flown out of my hand. And I
brought him back in. I said, okay, y'all, here's what's
going on. There's a you have a vortex of some
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sort that's going on in this kitchen. So I want
you to see it, and then let's kind of get
it kind of tamped down because this isn't helpful or
necessary to this be inside someone's house. And so we
have a video of this pendulum and all of us
like kind of flipping out watching it. Twere like crazy. That,
by the way, was for anybody who bought either the
(30:29):
moldavite or the cosmic pendulums from us. That's what that was.
That was right because I think sometimes right because I
think sometimes those high ribe stones can pick up on things.
That's why I have kind of a pendulum arsenal for
everything at this point. Yeah, so we'll share that it was.
(30:50):
It was really fun. And there was an old guy
who was kind of messing around out there. I kind
of sent him on his way, but he was the
least of anybody's problems.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
I'm curious how did he discern or feel that there
was something going on out there? Did he explain that.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
He felt it. I think that he has I mean,
I hate to say this, I don't, but I feel
my opinion is he has a lot of psychic powers,
and I think he felt something was going on.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
You know, my experience is so many creative people are
downloading so much inspiration and they have access to so
much that sometimes can get overwhelming, like sometimes almost self
medicating sort of situation. Yes, yeah, And so I think
when they get introduced to the energetic world in a
(31:38):
way that offered structure, it can be super helpful to them,
you know, like like.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yes, because it's either identifying or it gives them some
level of control.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
But it contains instead of like water on pavement, like
this is how you want to access it and contain
it and direct it and work with it instead of
just this overwhelmed.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
Yeah, so that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Yeah, it was. It was so fascinating.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
Evening sounds magical, sounds magical, and it was, and it's
just fun to see the pendulum go crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
It was fun to see go crazy. And then he
and Alicia had some moonshine, and so they gave us
the ball of moonshine and we all signed the bottle.
So we still have that.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, but anyway, so I have I have video evidence
that we will share with everyone that this episode comes
up because it was wild.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
And then the funny thing to one last note is Suzanne.
She was like, here, let me try it. It didn't move. Yeah, pendulum,
it's not yours, it's mine.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Right, I really feel And it could be because many
pendulums not all work with stones, natural stones and Dawson
rods don't. They're usually lightweight metal. But pendulums can be
fussy like that. They won't work with you, and that's
when it's pretty generous and forgiving. They'll work with anybody.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Well I think, I think, yeah, I think you're right,
and I'm glad you brought that up because I really
think that pendulums are some piky bitches for real, Like
I've I mean, I nothing I love more than they
go into a crystal store and they have them hanging
on one of those little circle things that you can
spin around, and I like just kind of setting my
(33:25):
hand out and seeing who gets activated and who moved. Oh,
I see some of them that don't move at all,
and some of them are like trying to fly off,
like fly into my hand home. Oh my god, that's
exactly what they do. So it's a really interesting kind
of thing. If you ever find yourself, you know, in
a crystal store that has the pendulums is kind of
(33:45):
you know, do what you've taught us before, which is
activate your hand chakras and in the circular motion and
then put it down. You have to do anything else
like this. This is no X Men movie. You just
put your fucking hand down.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
Well and really they and so you would go open
either directly at them, but I like to go underneath them.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I do under ye an angle under.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
Yeah, and so that the points are pointing down because
they're hanging and you'll see which one connects with you.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
It's really fun. Yeah, really, I mean.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
I just say, you know, I don't buy jewelry without
doing something like that, like all like from pearls to
diamonds to whatever I'm buying because you know, you know
I like my jewels.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You do. I did not know that, but weird.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
But I'm telling you that's how I buy my jewelry. Like,
do you want to go home with me? Is this, Mike,
according to my highest code.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
I've been doing that, listen. I've been doing that with
stuff for our house.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, that's all you have.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
To We just got some reclaimed wood, I tell you, Okay,
I'm gonna I'm gonna draw this out just a couple more.
Its just some funny shit because I'm afraid I'll forget.
We bought some reclaimed wood from a farm right outside
of Roswell, New Mexico, and it's for the love of God,
and we're calling it alien wood. We also have wood
that is from a polo field in Pie Town, New Mexico.
(35:09):
I mean, it's fucking pie Town. So we have pie
my favorite food group, and then aliens my favorite creatures.
So so I think they're now referred to as off
planet beings or off planet beings. But there's a story
behind it, like apparently that they allegedly there was a crash,
(35:29):
and there's a lot of people claiming there was a crash. Ye,
And this farm owner actually found a piece of metal
and he kept trying to flatten it out, but it
kept twirling up, and then he took it to I
guess the army, the military, whoever it was. Two weeks lay,
the guy shows up and he has now become the
town drunk. Oh yeah, oh your eyes, Oh my god,
(35:52):
you guys, you could see her eyes. Oh there's real
shit that happened in Roswell and care who you are?
Speaker 3 (35:57):
Ye?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
So, anyway, we have some alien wood that we're putting
in there. And then anyway really fun stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Just make sure when I come to visit that I
don't go into that room.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Okay, you know what that's it's going to be in
the casita. You won't go in the casino. You'll go
wave at it.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
It'll be fine, okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
And any place there's not I'm going to be putting
rocks in it. Oh, I'll neutralize the bad stuff.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
So thank you for that story. Get a slash warning,
and so thanks for listening everybody. Hopefully we've given you
some tools to think about. I just also want to
give a shout out because I have to can't help
myself for wanting guidance to see. That's Lulu, baby girl
telling us to that. To wrap this up. But when
(36:43):
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Speaker 2 (37:07):
I love that. Oh my god, everybody seriously. And here's
the beauty that I think is the difference of some
of these tools is you get more surface information from
the like a pendulum, but you get storytelling from And
I think that's what makes it so incredibly magic, is
like it's full on storytelling. It's not like, yeah, Julie
(37:31):
buy the Alien would because you're a dipshit.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
It's fine, that's also a story well.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
But TROW gives you such in depth storytelling and I
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Speaker 3 (37:45):
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all week long while we're downloading spirit stories. It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
So good.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah, it's gonna be great, so good. All right, that's
what I got.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Okay, thanks everybody, but wait, we haven't done our sign off.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
I'm well aware. You're just gonna say thanks for listening
and for expanding your vision to What's invisible, because it's
really helpful navigating our school, which is hard.
Speaker 2 (38:36):
Without the other side and without pendulums and tools and
your witchipoo and alien wood, you might and my alpha
and you're ill. Peace out, everybody, Thanks.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Everybody, Thank you for joining us. Everyone, and a special
thanks to our producer Joey Patt and our executive producer
Maya Cole Howard, who guides us while we guide.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
You hit us up on Instagram at other Side Guides,
or shoot us a note at high Hi at vibes
dot store.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
We want to know what you think, We want to
know what you know, and we want to hear your
stories and remember, our school is hard.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
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