October 12, 2022 • 34 mins
Do you find yourself struggling with what's 'right' while on your Earth School journey?
As children, we are trained to find the right answer, especially in school. This kills our curiosity and allows no space for a customized experience. No wonder as adults, we think there's either a right or wrong way.
But you are the captain of your energetic ship! Today we'll teach you how to hold space for what's right for you. Your path is unique, there is no one answer. It's essential you find your own true way.
Earth School tries to convince us most things are done a specific way. The Other Side reminds us there's sparkles and great joy held in the gray.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of My Heart Radio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there,
I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now,
y'all need to know that we are obsessed with everything
on the other side. Yes, we are, because once you
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learn to navigate the energetic, or to some the invisible world,
life is going to be more fun and much more serene. Heck,
yes it can, because, let's be honest, brand earth school
is hard. In fact, you taught me that let's crush
earth School together. Well, hello, my witchy hoo. Hello are
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you today? I'm good? How are you? My ol? Well,
I'm so excited for this topic because these are the
ones I mean, I learned. Actually every time we record,
I love that everybody allows us to do this, you know,
But this one I'm super, super super excited about because
it's really so much about I think you're in sight. Um.
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I mean, I'll chime in obviously because that's what I do. Um.
But but what I love about this is it's a
very empowering topic and you gracefully allowed me to name it.
Actually you just I just named it, um and and
it's like you were the you are the captain of
your energetic ship, and and I think that says everything.
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And I think that we're going to dive into this
and hopefully gives people a few things to think about perspective.
Whether you're a teacher, whether you're a student, you're both
all the time. But you just said I just I
copied that from you, disturbing and as Brenda literally just
said that five minutes ago. So I'm gonna like give
it where to do. But that's that's how I think
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of it. It's not always that way. You know, we'll
have an own way to hold the world. And I'm
I'm lucky enough that one of my favorite things to
do is to teach and to share what I know.
And you know, the path that I've I've walked in
different ways. And what I find is that really good
students and curious minds come to play, which is so
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much fun, and they want to get it right right.
They want to get it right. They want to am
I doing this right? Is this okay? Have I can
I stop trying now? Like Andre and so many times
and through our entire academic careers, whether it's you know,
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kindergarten through sixth grade. Like it doesn't matter where you
ended your academic career, we've all had the experience of, well,
that's not the right answer, that's not what we were
looking for. Right. It's like, well, right, that's right and wrong? Right,
everything was right and wrong. It's like, oh, sorry, you
didn't get that number eight is a check? Sorry? Wrong? Right? Yeah,
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and you get the red marks on the page and
all that which kills our curiosity, right, because give me
the right answer. I just want I don't want to
figure it out myself. It's going to take too long,
but I need to know what the right answer is.
And again, not everybody has this, but we're sort of
trained to go, well, if I'm studying something, right, if
I'm sending something, there's the right answer. So give me
the right answer. And the things I teach, whether it
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doesn't matter if it's leadership development or terot cards or
spirit guides like whatever it is, my job is to
hold the space for you to discover your own expression
of it. I'm a coach or invite or have you
considered some things? But how it gets expressed is all you. Right,
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this is this is why you name this right that
you are the captain of your own and your your
the accountable, responsible person for how it gets expressed. It
does no matter where the inspiration came from, whether it
was for me or whatever it helped you enroll in
the class or a guide or whatever. You know, even
your guides don't take on your karma. They're not responsible
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for your choices. You're responsible for how this gets integrated,
how it gets expressed, and experience and explored and expanded
all those things. Right, So when I share something with you,
I'm holding this space so that you can cook it up,
consider it, spit it out. That's crop for me, it's
this way. Nothing makes me happier than to hear that.
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That's so great that you put it through your own filters,
put it through your own alchemy, and came up with
your truth. That's the greatest honor you can give a teacher. Right.
And you know what's interesting about what you're saying is
that I have not met a single person with mediumship
skills that does it the same way right, that sees
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the same thing right, that gets a message. It's it's
the it's it's interesting like as you're saying this, I
told you I was so excited about this episode. And
this is why because in this space of not mathematics,
it's quantum. Yeah, I mean I believe in the quantum
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part of it, but that's the part nobody knows about
yet um And I say yet um, but it is
that I literally have never met anybody, and I've had
the great fortune of meeting a number of people that
have um. And I'm using specifically mediumship because you know, people,
some people get signs, some people actually can see them
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in front of them. Somebody can hear them flat on.
But it could be a mix, you know. Um. You know,
it's funny. I was talking to my cousin Christen the
other day and Aunt Marlene popped in, and the way
that she was communicating with me to Kristen was amazing.
She had me in tears, She had Kristen in tears.
It was like all full on truth hell Kristen. And
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she communicated in a way she had never communicated with
me before, and so it's kind of like it was
up to her. But how I you know, how she
wanted to communicate, but I received differently than how you
would receive, definitely, and I think that is probably is
that kind of on what you're talking about? Does that feel?
And what's so great like when a bunch of mediums
get together is how like we get so entertained listening
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to other mediums because it's like that's so cool. I
never would have seen that, you know, like we can't
we learn along the way if we're lucky and if
we're paying attention. You cannot compare, right, as my friend
Katie always says, you know, compare and despair. Right, this
is is it's not a winning situation. You can't compare,
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but you can rewrite, like, oh, I'm not in competition.
This is not a scarcity thing. This is this isn't
an abundance thing. There's a thousand different ways to do it.
And that's where real learning comes from. And this is
why I hate standardized tests. Like it's just so hard.
There's no like, um yeah, it's just it's it's hard.
It's literally heartbreaking for me. You know, I was lucky
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enough in high school. This is a little bit of
a side step, but not entirely. I think I shared
that I had just recently gone to my class reunion
where my physics teacher showed up to the to the
class reunion. Right, he's in his eighties. He was so
delightful and one of my favorite teachers because I would
because of my dyslexia and because of my nervousness, Like
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I had no idea what he was talking about at
the time, because he would say, Brenda, look at come,
look at your test. You flip the numbers here, You
flip the numbers here, But you got the right answer.
Where did that answer come from? And I couldn't. Oh,
my god, what I know right now? You actually I
don't know that. That's amazing, I know. But he was
so kind because he asked the question instead of just
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telling me I was wrong, and because he always made
he his whole thing is showing your work. I don't
care if you get the right answer, but if you
show your work, I can give you half credit. Like
that's what he would tell the class. If you don't
show me your work, I'm going to assume that you cheated,
like he he would like jokingly say that, but not
jokingly because if you didn't show your work, you didn't
get credit. And so he don't like, come look at this,
see see what you did here. You flip these numbers,
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you flip these numbers, how would you would that answer
come from? And I would be able to talk him
through it logically to go, well, if you know this
is the force and this is the mass and this
is the acceleration, then you know this is how it
works out. So he so he would give me credit,
even though neither one of us had any idea how
I got that answer, and I can I can only
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assume that, you know, my doctor teacher guide was helping
me really get the right answer. Like that's my only assumption.
Now it happened because it happened consistently throughout class. Um. Anyhow,
it was really sweet. It's just really sweet. Okay, I
love that, but it reminds them so sorry. This is
ridiculous offshoot of your offshoot which is gonna but which
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which of course I have to bring weirdly golf into
it and very strange. I mean I've played once in
or twice in thirty years, but whatever. So but we
used to say the scorecard does not ask for description. Yes,
and you know, I I think I told a story
about when we were purging our house, um, that I
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sent my hole into the golf ball. I got a
hole in one with to my friend Audre Well, so
I guess I got a hole in one, like, oh
my god, it's amazing. But let me tell you, actually
the shot that I hit that actually got the hole
in one. And this is what's funny. It was the
worst shot I hit all day. I hit it what
we call thin, so I didn't hit it under the ball.
I hit it kind in the middle of the ball,
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and I hit it to the right and it hit
a hill like an incline, kicked dead left and went
to the hole. But it's still counted. I've never heard
that story, but it's you. That is exactly what it was.
It was number of I'm sorry, Joey, I know that
laugh was really loud. I apologize, I but that's it
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was the ugliest shot that I had probably hit. Wow forever,
that is awesome. But I got to write on the
scorecard one right now. And I can tell you I've
had beautiful golf shots that should have but did not.
It was the ugliess golf shot that went and probably
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because I need to retell that story because sometimes getting
to the answer might be kind of ugly, like dyslexia
kids a whole bunch of confusion, and I was so
lucky because I had a teacher who stood by his work, like,
you show me your work, I can give you credit.
And because I could talk him through how I thought
about it. And even though I couldn't tell him how
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I got that answer. I love that so much. By
the way, like you were downloading ship in high school,
I mean, they wanted to make sure you got out.
That's amazing. I literally, remember this is totally side. It's
double tangent. The whole episode would call the total aside.
I don't remember what the system was, but I remember
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again it was math and I was in fifth grade
and I had come up with something a system on
my watch of how to do math on my watch.
I swear to god, I don't know how it was,
but it was so efficient and I kind of remember
parts of it, but like it was a whole system
that I created that they showed me that they made
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My teacher made me take my watch off for tests.
I was like, bitch, that's my system. So then I
would I would use the clock on the wall because
remember back and you know those big gas clocks, so
I would use black and white clocks. Yeah, I'm like,
you can't take that down. I'm using that. Oh that
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so incredibly fantastic. I haven't thought about use what you
got right? You know, I did a thing and I
was supposed to take a break, but since we're this
is a side two years at your side, just had
forty two babies. But here's one more baby that is
being birth from it. Because it's really kind of funny.
Is that my mom's friend, I know I've talked about this,
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gave me an i Q test, and um, did I
not never tell this story? Oh crap, Then it's not
gonna be a fact. I'm gonna tell you one piece
of it and then we're gonna do Cliffhanger i Q test,
got it, and welcome back from our favorite i Q
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test break ever, Oh my god, I can't believe that
you don't know the story. I told it. Okay, So
it's actually it's really entertaining. My mom's very dear friend
named Judy Long, who became doctor Judy Long. So when
she was I think she's about forty, and Judy booted
out her dead beat, cheating, asshole husband and decided did
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I say that out loud? Um? And decided to go
back to college and to get her doctorate in psychology,
so to find out why she married such a man. Okay,
well then there's that. Um, she's got two amazing kids
out of that, so I think that's probably why amazing.
I went to school with her son. So, uh it
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was it was my first summer out of college, and
I went home to mom and she was still living
in Miami, Oklahoma, and Judy was in this kind of
the practical stage of the doctorate. I guess, so she
needed to learn how to give tests and right, and
so she's like Julie Cameron. She goes, I need you
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to be my guinea pig. I'm like, I'm I'm here
for it. Right, and she goes, I I need to
learn how to give an i Q test. So and
and there's different pieces I remember of it, and that
one thing that I remember that she did is that
she would give me a series of numbers and I
would have to repeat them back to her in the
order that she gave them to me. And then the
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next step, she would give me a series of numbers
and I would have to give them to her backwards. Mercy. Well,
here's what happened. Um, we finished that part of the
test she goes, I don't know what to do. I go,
what do you mean? She goes, you got it all right?
She goes, will you explain to me how you were able?
And there were a series of like twenty thirty numbers,
Like it's not like it was four numbers and you know,
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trying to you know, manage four numbers. It was between
twenty and forty if I'm not mistaken somewhere in there.
And um, well, but here's what happened. That is it's
not a memory thing like I have terrible it's a
d d Are you kidding? I barely remember what day
it is. Um. But what I would do is that
I would assigned through I would assign a number to
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a part of my finger. So each one to the
top of my thumb had a number the top of
my pointer, middle and up, ringing, all that kind of stuff.
And then every set, you know, we have lines and
our fingers, I put a different set below that next line, right,
and so, and I kept looking at my hands when
I would have when it was my turn, you know.
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So she's like, I don't I they didn't teach us
what to do if somebody got them, all right, And
I said, I just assigned a number to my to
a finger like that, there's my answer. And then she
had another test that she would give you four pieces
of a puzzle than eight pieces, sixteen thirty two whatever,
and what she would have to witness is how you
solved the puzzle. And after that, she goes, it's really interesting, Julius.
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She's like, you solved Most people solve things, they have
one method. She goes, you had a different method for
every puzzle. You did it differently every time. And I'm like, oh,
that's cool. So fast forward to her calculating my i
Q and um, she was, well, I see you have
an i Q of one o two. I'm like, what
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does that mean? She was the mains your average. I said, okay,
and she goes, it's a little surprising because your mom
is probably like a one forty like I come from.
Apparently a long line of people with his mom talking
to you right now, Um, I think she is with
high i Q s H. And so I'm like, okay,
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you know it is what it is kind of thing.
So I'm gonna fast forward again to about six years
ago when Judy was in the hospital and she was dying,
and I went to go visit her because I love
her and she's I know, I've talked about her because
she's the one who talked to my mom when I
came out and told Mom that she's you know, she's
not who you thought she was. She's even better, you know,
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because she knows who she is. That's Judy. So I
want to go see Judy because I love her and
will love her through all lifetimes because I wouldn't know
how to repay her for what she did with my
relationship with my mother. So I want to go see
her in the hospital. And we're laughing telling stories, and
I said, do you remember when I was your guinea pig?
She goes, oh, yeah, she just didn't. I do you know,
do the i Q thing for? I said, I go,
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you did? And she goes, what was it? And I
said it was a one oh two? She is? What
she did? You know that I couldn't count. She goes,
I think that I've led your whole adult live to
make you believe your i Q was something that it wasn't.
And I think you did, yeah right, And and so
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we're loud, we're howling about this because she's like Juteleie
I'm so sorry, and I said, don't be sorry, and
she goes why and I said, because you know what,
it probably gave me a level of humility that didn't hurt.
And I said, because I'm surrounded by cousins who refused
to say say their I Q because it's so high.
It's my cousin Jane, who does not listen to this show.
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I mean, it's like, my mind is so high. I
don't want to make anybody feel bad and tell you
kind of person. And I've pens that are like doctorates
all this kind of stuff, and I thought average average
is good. I'll take average um and Dunn he was like,
oh god, I'm so sorry I'd let you down that path.
And I'm like, it's okay. I don't need to know.
It's a label. I'm like, I'm forty whatever the hell
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I was. You can but it cannot be contained yet
I get right, But isn't that hilarious? So anyway, I again,
I don't know how we got here, but it was
the counting on fingers, the method of like you had
to watch and I used my fingers to assign things,
and that was my method of remembering things. And then
apparently I had a one oh two. Like here, Well,
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first of all, i Q measures intellect, which isn't necessarily creativity.
And if they're not, I'm very clear that's all right. Yeah,
if they could have measured creativity, like I'll take your
stupid test in the most creative way and it will
blow the score off the map, which I did. Funny enough,
I did. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, you know. I
mean I was very creative how I solved thing. Yeah,
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but those tests did not care anyway, so we I
can't believe I didn't tell you about my i Q test.
I think it's hilarious. And I still tell people have
a one or two when somebody talks about like I
have a one or two, because that's still a number.
I now just say, you know what your mom came
in to tell you is that your score is not
one o two, right, Okay, okay, thanks mom, significantly higher significantly.
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Well we will my mother, it doesn't matter. I'm not
going to go to town with her. But the point
of all this is like being able to hold the
space for the learning, and like if she had said,
this is how you have to bring the numbers back
to me, so in a way she was teaching you,
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including the space for you to find your own way
through the test right, which is actual learning takes place
in discovery, right, discovery and creation and innovation like me
using my way in a way that I can't even
create today because I don't have the challenge of doing
stupid math tests of a fifth grader. By the way, Brian,
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I'm going to say out loud, that is mad creative skill.
I know this, going to figure out how to use
a watch in math class, Like, that's impressive. Yet, you know,
to be clear, this was given to me. It was
shown to me by my guides. I didn't I did
not come up with this. They're like, they know that
part I remember, but I don't. I don't remember what
the system was, So I wish I could take credit. Yeah,
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it's a it's a good work around, for sure, but
again not having someone tell me, you know, like I
couldn't figure out how to solve it her way because
whatever she taught me didn't stick. And so this is
the important part about holding the seat of a teacher
that is spacious, because if I had to learn it
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the way you know, Mrs Han taught me, I would
have failed miserably. I would have never learned to memorize
numbers fourards and backwards. Because I totally understand it's up
to us on how we That's why we're the master,
right where the captain of our own energetic ship. And
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and so when people come to spiritual classes and want
the right answer, it tickles me and it makes me
giggle because I'm like, you're not in school anymore. No
one's creating you, right, you get to find out yourself.
I'm here as the guide on the side, but I'm
not the main event. Do you lied on the side right?
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Like you? You literally are the main event in this
learning process because it's your learning process. You're coming to
create this path for yourself. So we're gonna take a
break and come right back and welcome back everybody. Everybody
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in this is this funny all you have to understand.
We're here on squadcast. We get to see each other.
I said, how do you forget you're there? I love you,
but we forget you're there? And so I knew when
you say welcome back, I'm like, okay, that's the part.
Like if everybody want to participate in a recording, then
I wouldn't say that that's all I'm saying. It's a
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visual thing more than anything. UM. I would love to
UM kind of jump on what you were saying about
being a teacher and allowing students to find their way, UM,
you know, with their own solutions, right, their own energetic solutions.
And I will say that in the metaphysical space that
like when you took a math class, you knew at
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least the basis of what math was, the head with numbers, right,
And when you take a class in this space, you
kind of and a lot of times because I can say,
as somebody who has been probably more of a student
than a teacher, is I had no baseline, right. I
didn't know what to even to to pull for UM.
I didn't know, you know, I had to learn what
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it was where I what what to pull from? Right.
And I one of the things that I've learned from
this is UM, and I say it a lot, is
that I learned when UM, I can see better when
I closed my eyes and I had to find my
way because I kept hearing from you and from Patricia
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and at the Crystal Matrix and those that I took
classes from, they had their ways, but I ended up
seeing with my eyes closed. Um. But I didn't even
know that that was an option, so it took me
a bit to get there. And then I think it's
also intimidating when you're new as a student and you
have somebody like you in front of somebody like me, Um,
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and you're just so magical and graceful and like and
I still describe you as like an angel stuffed in
a human suit. It's like, but you really are and
and and I say that in all sincerity, um, within
my body. And that's and I still believe it. And
I remember thinking that when I took classes from you,
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that it's You're so amazing. It's like, how could I
possibly write? So I think that from a student perspective,
and I just want to say this part of it
so other people can dispel that piece of them because
what I've found out was I don't need to be
like you. I fucking love you for eternity, but I
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don't need to be you. I I fucking love Patricia.
I don't need to be her. I need to be
me and find my ways. And I think that with
students coming in, for them to understand that they are
the captain of their own energetic ship. Um is to
know that it is their way to do it and
they don't have to be like you or anybody else.
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And that's I just wanted to say that from a
student perspective because seriously, Okay, I've been a student a
lot too, and I will say I literally had this
conversation with one of my coaching clients who is trying
to please his manager, right, and he's like, we'll call
his manager Jim. Okay, and I've said him, don't try
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and be Jim. You will be a terrible Jim. You
will fail miserably as Jim. And Jim doesn't need you
to be Jim. He needs you to be you. Please
lead your organization in a way that is useful to Jim.
That's what he needs. He doesn't need you to be him. Right,
it's the same. It's the same for students. And I
would have been a terrible Brenda. Let's be honest, I
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would be a terrible Elf. Right. I mean, it's just
what it is, and that's the beauty of it. But
I just think for those because I know, because you know,
we hear more than anything from our listeners is they
want to learn more. They want to be taught, they
want to engage, age, they want to um excel and
ascend and all those really magnificent words about wanting to
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be better, right, and and I just I just want
them to know they're not alone if they're intimidated, you know,
I want them to know that you are so perfectly
perfect on who you are. And however you receive a message,
or however you process something, or if you have to
look at your watch and do math with it, or
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if you have to use your fingers and count, or
you or you have to close your eyes to see,
or you have to tap on a table to tap in.
You taught me that. It's like you're like tapped the car.
Do have to tap the car? Yeah, it'll, it'll do it.
And it told me everything I needed to know. And
I'm just going to quickly say, when I did that
for the first time outside of your classroom, and this
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is a back pre zoom classes meaning your living room,
um like outside of that, when I first tapped, that
was when I know, I've talked about this. When I
got the message for this lovely woman who I did
not know that there was a child waiting for her
on the other side, and she must have actually frozen
her eggs and that's exactly what happened. And that was
when tapping on a card. And and there's so many
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ways to to do it. I mean, I love the
I don't know where this saying comes from, and so
they'll have to let me know, y'all. But I there's
the acting that says, when there is a path laid
out in front of you, it's not yours. I love
that so much because and it can't be yours because
you have to create it in order for it to
have meaning for you. Right, you have to have been
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Kermit the frog who said it, because that'd be cool.
It could have been, but I don't believe that was it.
So but but I did. I think it's really important
and it's impound to know. Trust your guidance. Right. I
love to study, right, I love to study. I'm fascinated
by so many things. But not all things are appropriate
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for me to study. They're not beneficial. Like I would
have loved to have a degree in positive psychology, Like
I just think that sounds so cool. The same and
you know, with the the council of my guides, not
the directive. But the Council of my Guides, they're like, no,
because that's going to take you down a very academic,
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intellectual path that's going to test you and distract you
from your actual soul of work. They you know you
signed up for. I'm like, that makes so much sense,
even though it sounds really fun, but I think you
know it's it's just it's not my path, right, yeah, right,
because the academic side of it a lot of times,
unfortunately can sit down. Yeah, it's a grind to the
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spiritual side, right. Yeah. Do you know every times I
said I've wanted to be a lawyer, I mean seriously,
and for years, even when we moved to Arkansas, said
to Susan, like, maybe I could go and roll um
in law school at at the University of Arkansas and
like finally get a lot of degree. And She's like, Okay, honey,
go ahead. I love Susanne, right, she totally knows how
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to work my ship. She's so good. Um, But you
know what, I I didn't do it and haven't done
done it because it's not my path. I just want
to argue in front of people in a room. But
I think you also want to tell stories, right, I
want to tell stories. I do. I do want to
tell stories. Yeah, um, so thank you. Um wow, this
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has been awesome. I've learned so much from you today.
I've learned so much about you today. Right, what the hell?
I know you never told me you want to lawyer.
I want to be Laura and I have a one
two I Q alleged or not or not whatever. But
it's a great story though, you know. And I just
want to say one more thing before we go on this,
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because what I love about um and I didn't. I didn't.
It wasn't like a pre premeditated response to Judy when
she apologized, I'm like, oh, it's okay. It probably added
humility some place where I needed it kind of things.
And because I remember this guy used to work with
a box and he was really handsome. Guy hit a
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massive scar on his face, I think I might have
told this story. And I asked himself, well, how'd that happened?
He goes, You're the only one that has ever had
the courage to ask me, and he he was actually
on a subway train in New York City. He was
a victim of a gang initiation, and so they sliced
his face, and I said, so, how do you feel
about it? And he goes another question I've never heard.
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I'm like, but how do you feel about it? And
you know he was He didn't, he was upset and
he's gay man, So that's like very much in the
whole looks department, right, And I said, who were you before?
And he goes another question I haven't heard, and he goes,
you know, it's kind of arrogant to da da da dada.
And I said, do you think you're like a kinder,
gentler version than what you once was? He goes, I absolutely,
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And I said, then it's a gift. Yeah, I said,
it brought humility into your life in a very unexpected way.
And I kind of call what Judy told me, do
the same thing to me. You change the trajectory, right, yeah,
change the trajectory. Yeah, but it's a blessing sometimes. And
I do hope that people will also think about the
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teachers they sign up for after today's session, because especially
if a spiritual teacher. And now, look, there are rules, right,
there are rules of engagement in the spirit world and
expansion and meditation, like try them on and then trust
your instinct because there are things that seem attractive on
the outside, and then you get into it you're like, well,
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I thought it was gonna be more fun, you know,
like I thought this is gonna like You're not to
say that any spiritual work isn't work. Of course, it
is that. It takes practice, It takes discipline, It takes
dedication to have the payoff bottom line with any practice,
no matter what you're doing, whether it's lawyer or anything else.
But if it doesn't, if it feels constraining, like Mrs
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Hans mathematical instructions, I couldn't find I just couldn't follow it.
I didn't know what the hell she was talking about.
So I figured out something to make it work or
had help. But like trust your instincts. It may not
It may be something that you admire, it may be
something that you get someone to offer you in the future.
But if it's not your path, honor that, Honor your
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own intuition, your own knowing. So because that path in
front of you you should not see because if you do,
it is not yours, not yours. I like that so much.
That is so good as some wisdom right there, I
gotta find out where it came from but yeah and no,
definitely no, it's from it's from the Eastern traditions. But
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a tow saying, Okay, find it. I really want to
know this, I'll find it. So thank you everybody. This
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Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side, a production
of My Heart Radio. Hi, y'all, I'm Julie. Hi there,
I'm Brenda. Welcome to Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now,
y'all need to know that we are obsessed with everything
on the other side. Yes, we are, because once you
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learn to navigate the energetic, or to some the invisible world,
life is going to be more fun and much more serene. Heck,
yes it can, because, let's be honest, brand earth school
is hard. In fact, you taught me that let's crush
earth School together. Well, hello, my witchy hoo. Hello are
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you today? I'm good? How are you? My ol? Well,
I'm so excited for this topic because these are the
ones I mean, I learned. Actually every time we record,
I love that everybody allows us to do this, you know,
But this one I'm super, super super excited about because
it's really so much about I think you're in sight. Um.
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I mean, I'll chime in obviously because that's what I do. Um.
But but what I love about this is it's a
very empowering topic and you gracefully allowed me to name it.
Actually you just I just named it, um and and
it's like you were the you are the captain of
your energetic ship, and and I think that says everything.
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And I think that we're going to dive into this
and hopefully gives people a few things to think about perspective.
Whether you're a teacher, whether you're a student, you're both
all the time. But you just said I just I
copied that from you, disturbing and as Brenda literally just
said that five minutes ago. So I'm gonna like give
it where to do. But that's that's how I think
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of it. It's not always that way. You know, we'll
have an own way to hold the world. And I'm
I'm lucky enough that one of my favorite things to
do is to teach and to share what I know.
And you know, the path that I've I've walked in
different ways. And what I find is that really good
students and curious minds come to play, which is so
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much fun, and they want to get it right right.
They want to get it right. They want to am
I doing this right? Is this okay? Have I can
I stop trying now? Like Andre and so many times
and through our entire academic careers, whether it's you know,
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kindergarten through sixth grade. Like it doesn't matter where you
ended your academic career, we've all had the experience of, well,
that's not the right answer, that's not what we were
looking for. Right. It's like, well, right, that's right and wrong? Right,
everything was right and wrong. It's like, oh, sorry, you
didn't get that number eight is a check? Sorry? Wrong? Right? Yeah,
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and you get the red marks on the page and
all that which kills our curiosity, right, because give me
the right answer. I just want I don't want to
figure it out myself. It's going to take too long,
but I need to know what the right answer is.
And again, not everybody has this, but we're sort of
trained to go, well, if I'm studying something, right, if
I'm sending something, there's the right answer. So give me
the right answer. And the things I teach, whether it
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doesn't matter if it's leadership development or terot cards or
spirit guides like whatever it is, my job is to
hold the space for you to discover your own expression
of it. I'm a coach or invite or have you
considered some things? But how it gets expressed is all you. Right,
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this is this is why you name this right that
you are the captain of your own and your your
the accountable, responsible person for how it gets expressed. It
does no matter where the inspiration came from, whether it
was for me or whatever it helped you enroll in
the class or a guide or whatever. You know, even
your guides don't take on your karma. They're not responsible
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for your choices. You're responsible for how this gets integrated,
how it gets expressed, and experience and explored and expanded
all those things. Right, So when I share something with you,
I'm holding this space so that you can cook it up,
consider it, spit it out. That's crop for me, it's
this way. Nothing makes me happier than to hear that.
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That's so great that you put it through your own filters,
put it through your own alchemy, and came up with
your truth. That's the greatest honor you can give a teacher. Right.
And you know what's interesting about what you're saying is
that I have not met a single person with mediumship
skills that does it the same way right, that sees
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the same thing right, that gets a message. It's it's
the it's it's interesting like as you're saying this, I
told you I was so excited about this episode. And
this is why because in this space of not mathematics,
it's quantum. Yeah, I mean I believe in the quantum
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part of it, but that's the part nobody knows about
yet um And I say yet um, but it is
that I literally have never met anybody, and I've had
the great fortune of meeting a number of people that
have um. And I'm using specifically mediumship because you know, people,
some people get signs, some people actually can see them
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in front of them. Somebody can hear them flat on.
But it could be a mix, you know. Um. You know,
it's funny. I was talking to my cousin Christen the
other day and Aunt Marlene popped in, and the way
that she was communicating with me to Kristen was amazing.
She had me in tears, She had Kristen in tears.
It was like all full on truth hell Kristen. And
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she communicated in a way she had never communicated with
me before, and so it's kind of like it was
up to her. But how I you know, how she
wanted to communicate, but I received differently than how you
would receive, definitely, and I think that is probably is
that kind of on what you're talking about? Does that feel?
And what's so great like when a bunch of mediums
get together is how like we get so entertained listening
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to other mediums because it's like that's so cool. I
never would have seen that, you know, like we can't
we learn along the way if we're lucky and if
we're paying attention. You cannot compare, right, as my friend
Katie always says, you know, compare and despair. Right, this
is is it's not a winning situation. You can't compare,
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but you can rewrite, like, oh, I'm not in competition.
This is not a scarcity thing. This is this isn't
an abundance thing. There's a thousand different ways to do it.
And that's where real learning comes from. And this is
why I hate standardized tests. Like it's just so hard.
There's no like, um yeah, it's just it's it's hard.
It's literally heartbreaking for me. You know, I was lucky
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enough in high school. This is a little bit of
a side step, but not entirely. I think I shared
that I had just recently gone to my class reunion
where my physics teacher showed up to the to the
class reunion. Right, he's in his eighties. He was so
delightful and one of my favorite teachers because I would
because of my dyslexia and because of my nervousness, Like
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I had no idea what he was talking about at
the time, because he would say, Brenda, look at come,
look at your test. You flip the numbers here, You
flip the numbers here, But you got the right answer.
Where did that answer come from? And I couldn't. Oh,
my god, what I know right now? You actually I
don't know that. That's amazing, I know. But he was
so kind because he asked the question instead of just
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telling me I was wrong, and because he always made
he his whole thing is showing your work. I don't
care if you get the right answer, but if you
show your work, I can give you half credit. Like
that's what he would tell the class. If you don't
show me your work, I'm going to assume that you cheated,
like he he would like jokingly say that, but not
jokingly because if you didn't show your work, you didn't
get credit. And so he don't like, come look at this,
see see what you did here. You flip these numbers,
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you flip these numbers, how would you would that answer
come from? And I would be able to talk him
through it logically to go, well, if you know this
is the force and this is the mass and this
is the acceleration, then you know this is how it
works out. So he so he would give me credit,
even though neither one of us had any idea how
I got that answer, and I can I can only
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assume that, you know, my doctor teacher guide was helping
me really get the right answer. Like that's my only assumption.
Now it happened because it happened consistently throughout class. Um. Anyhow,
it was really sweet. It's just really sweet. Okay, I
love that, but it reminds them so sorry. This is
ridiculous offshoot of your offshoot which is gonna but which
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which of course I have to bring weirdly golf into
it and very strange. I mean I've played once in
or twice in thirty years, but whatever. So but we
used to say the scorecard does not ask for description. Yes,
and you know, I I think I told a story
about when we were purging our house, um, that I
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sent my hole into the golf ball. I got a
hole in one with to my friend Audre Well, so
I guess I got a hole in one, like, oh
my god, it's amazing. But let me tell you, actually
the shot that I hit that actually got the hole
in one. And this is what's funny. It was the
worst shot I hit all day. I hit it what
we call thin, so I didn't hit it under the ball.
I hit it kind in the middle of the ball,
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and I hit it to the right and it hit
a hill like an incline, kicked dead left and went
to the hole. But it's still counted. I've never heard
that story, but it's you. That is exactly what it was.
It was number of I'm sorry, Joey, I know that
laugh was really loud. I apologize, I but that's it
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was the ugliest shot that I had probably hit. Wow forever,
that is awesome. But I got to write on the
scorecard one right now. And I can tell you I've
had beautiful golf shots that should have but did not.
It was the ugliess golf shot that went and probably
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because I need to retell that story because sometimes getting
to the answer might be kind of ugly, like dyslexia
kids a whole bunch of confusion, and I was so
lucky because I had a teacher who stood by his work, like,
you show me your work, I can give you credit.
And because I could talk him through how I thought
about it. And even though I couldn't tell him how
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I got that answer. I love that so much. By
the way, like you were downloading ship in high school,
I mean, they wanted to make sure you got out.
That's amazing. I literally, remember this is totally side. It's
double tangent. The whole episode would call the total aside.
I don't remember what the system was, but I remember
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again it was math and I was in fifth grade
and I had come up with something a system on
my watch of how to do math on my watch.
I swear to god, I don't know how it was,
but it was so efficient and I kind of remember
parts of it, but like it was a whole system
that I created that they showed me that they made
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My teacher made me take my watch off for tests.
I was like, bitch, that's my system. So then I
would I would use the clock on the wall because
remember back and you know those big gas clocks, so
I would use black and white clocks. Yeah, I'm like,
you can't take that down. I'm using that. Oh that
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so incredibly fantastic. I haven't thought about use what you
got right? You know, I did a thing and I
was supposed to take a break, but since we're this
is a side two years at your side, just had
forty two babies. But here's one more baby that is
being birth from it. Because it's really kind of funny.
Is that my mom's friend, I know I've talked about this,
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gave me an i Q test, and um, did I
not never tell this story? Oh crap, Then it's not
gonna be a fact. I'm gonna tell you one piece
of it and then we're gonna do Cliffhanger i Q test,
got it, and welcome back from our favorite i Q
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test break ever, Oh my god, I can't believe that
you don't know the story. I told it. Okay, So
it's actually it's really entertaining. My mom's very dear friend
named Judy Long, who became doctor Judy Long. So when
she was I think she's about forty, and Judy booted
out her dead beat, cheating, asshole husband and decided did
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I say that out loud? Um? And decided to go
back to college and to get her doctorate in psychology,
so to find out why she married such a man. Okay,
well then there's that. Um, she's got two amazing kids
out of that, so I think that's probably why amazing.
I went to school with her son. So, uh it
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was it was my first summer out of college, and
I went home to mom and she was still living
in Miami, Oklahoma, and Judy was in this kind of
the practical stage of the doctorate. I guess, so she
needed to learn how to give tests and right, and
so she's like Julie Cameron. She goes, I need you
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to be my guinea pig. I'm like, I'm I'm here
for it. Right, and she goes, I I need to
learn how to give an i Q test. So and
and there's different pieces I remember of it, and that
one thing that I remember that she did is that
she would give me a series of numbers and I
would have to repeat them back to her in the
order that she gave them to me. And then the
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next step, she would give me a series of numbers
and I would have to give them to her backwards. Mercy. Well,
here's what happened. Um, we finished that part of the
test she goes, I don't know what to do. I go,
what do you mean? She goes, you got it all right?
She goes, will you explain to me how you were able?
And there were a series of like twenty thirty numbers,
Like it's not like it was four numbers and you know,
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trying to you know, manage four numbers. It was between
twenty and forty if I'm not mistaken somewhere in there.
And um, well, but here's what happened. That is it's
not a memory thing like I have terrible it's a
d d Are you kidding? I barely remember what day
it is. Um. But what I would do is that
I would assigned through I would assign a number to
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a part of my finger. So each one to the
top of my thumb had a number the top of
my pointer, middle and up, ringing, all that kind of stuff.
And then every set, you know, we have lines and
our fingers, I put a different set below that next line, right,
and so, and I kept looking at my hands when
I would have when it was my turn, you know.
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So she's like, I don't I they didn't teach us
what to do if somebody got them, all right, And
I said, I just assigned a number to my to
a finger like that, there's my answer. And then she
had another test that she would give you four pieces
of a puzzle than eight pieces, sixteen thirty two whatever,
and what she would have to witness is how you
solved the puzzle. And after that, she goes, it's really interesting, Julius.
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She's like, you solved Most people solve things, they have
one method. She goes, you had a different method for
every puzzle. You did it differently every time. And I'm like, oh,
that's cool. So fast forward to her calculating my i
Q and um, she was, well, I see you have
an i Q of one o two. I'm like, what
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does that mean? She was the mains your average. I said, okay,
and she goes, it's a little surprising because your mom
is probably like a one forty like I come from.
Apparently a long line of people with his mom talking
to you right now, Um, I think she is with
high i Q s H. And so I'm like, okay,
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you know it is what it is kind of thing.
So I'm gonna fast forward again to about six years
ago when Judy was in the hospital and she was dying,
and I went to go visit her because I love
her and she's I know, I've talked about her because
she's the one who talked to my mom when I
came out and told Mom that she's you know, she's
not who you thought she was. She's even better, you know,
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because she knows who she is. That's Judy. So I
want to go see Judy because I love her and
will love her through all lifetimes because I wouldn't know
how to repay her for what she did with my
relationship with my mother. So I want to go see
her in the hospital. And we're laughing telling stories, and
I said, do you remember when I was your guinea pig?
She goes, oh, yeah, she just didn't. I do you know,
do the i Q thing for? I said, I go,
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you did? And she goes, what was it? And I
said it was a one oh two? She is? What
she did? You know that I couldn't count. She goes,
I think that I've led your whole adult live to
make you believe your i Q was something that it wasn't.
And I think you did, yeah right, And and so
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we're loud, we're howling about this because she's like Juteleie
I'm so sorry, and I said, don't be sorry, and
she goes why and I said, because you know what,
it probably gave me a level of humility that didn't hurt.
And I said, because I'm surrounded by cousins who refused
to say say their I Q because it's so high.
It's my cousin Jane, who does not listen to this show.
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I mean, it's like, my mind is so high. I
don't want to make anybody feel bad and tell you
kind of person. And I've pens that are like doctorates
all this kind of stuff, and I thought average average
is good. I'll take average um and Dunn he was like,
oh god, I'm so sorry I'd let you down that path.
And I'm like, it's okay. I don't need to know.
It's a label. I'm like, I'm forty whatever the hell
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I was. You can but it cannot be contained yet
I get right, But isn't that hilarious? So anyway, I again,
I don't know how we got here, but it was
the counting on fingers, the method of like you had
to watch and I used my fingers to assign things,
and that was my method of remembering things. And then
apparently I had a one oh two. Like here, Well,
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first of all, i Q measures intellect, which isn't necessarily creativity.
And if they're not, I'm very clear that's all right. Yeah,
if they could have measured creativity, like I'll take your
stupid test in the most creative way and it will
blow the score off the map, which I did. Funny enough,
I did. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, you know. I
mean I was very creative how I solved thing. Yeah,
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but those tests did not care anyway, so we I
can't believe I didn't tell you about my i Q test.
I think it's hilarious. And I still tell people have
a one or two when somebody talks about like I
have a one or two, because that's still a number.
I now just say, you know what your mom came
in to tell you is that your score is not
one o two, right, Okay, okay, thanks mom, significantly higher significantly.
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Well we will my mother, it doesn't matter. I'm not
going to go to town with her. But the point
of all this is like being able to hold the
space for the learning, and like if she had said,
this is how you have to bring the numbers back
to me, so in a way she was teaching you,
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including the space for you to find your own way
through the test right, which is actual learning takes place
in discovery, right, discovery and creation and innovation like me
using my way in a way that I can't even
create today because I don't have the challenge of doing
stupid math tests of a fifth grader. By the way, Brian,
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I'm going to say out loud, that is mad creative skill.
I know this, going to figure out how to use
a watch in math class, Like, that's impressive. Yet, you know,
to be clear, this was given to me. It was
shown to me by my guides. I didn't I did
not come up with this. They're like, they know that
part I remember, but I don't. I don't remember what
the system was, So I wish I could take credit. Yeah,
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it's a it's a good work around, for sure, but
again not having someone tell me, you know, like I
couldn't figure out how to solve it her way because
whatever she taught me didn't stick. And so this is
the important part about holding the seat of a teacher
that is spacious, because if I had to learn it
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the way you know, Mrs Han taught me, I would
have failed miserably. I would have never learned to memorize
numbers fourards and backwards. Because I totally understand it's up
to us on how we That's why we're the master,
right where the captain of our own energetic ship. And
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and so when people come to spiritual classes and want
the right answer, it tickles me and it makes me
giggle because I'm like, you're not in school anymore. No
one's creating you, right, you get to find out yourself.
I'm here as the guide on the side, but I'm
not the main event. Do you lied on the side right?
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Like you? You literally are the main event in this
learning process because it's your learning process. You're coming to
create this path for yourself. So we're gonna take a
break and come right back and welcome back everybody. Everybody
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in this is this funny all you have to understand.
We're here on squadcast. We get to see each other.
I said, how do you forget you're there? I love you,
but we forget you're there? And so I knew when
you say welcome back, I'm like, okay, that's the part.
Like if everybody want to participate in a recording, then
I wouldn't say that that's all I'm saying. It's a
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visual thing more than anything. UM. I would love to
UM kind of jump on what you were saying about
being a teacher and allowing students to find their way, UM,
you know, with their own solutions, right, their own energetic solutions.
And I will say that in the metaphysical space that
like when you took a math class, you knew at
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least the basis of what math was, the head with numbers, right,
And when you take a class in this space, you
kind of and a lot of times because I can say,
as somebody who has been probably more of a student
than a teacher, is I had no baseline, right. I
didn't know what to even to to pull for UM.
I didn't know, you know, I had to learn what
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it was where I what what to pull from? Right.
And I one of the things that I've learned from
this is UM, and I say it a lot, is
that I learned when UM, I can see better when
I closed my eyes and I had to find my
way because I kept hearing from you and from Patricia
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and at the Crystal Matrix and those that I took
classes from, they had their ways, but I ended up
seeing with my eyes closed. Um. But I didn't even
know that that was an option, so it took me
a bit to get there. And then I think it's
also intimidating when you're new as a student and you
have somebody like you in front of somebody like me, Um,
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and you're just so magical and graceful and like and
I still describe you as like an angel stuffed in
a human suit. It's like, but you really are and
and and I say that in all sincerity, um, within
my body. And that's and I still believe it. And
I remember thinking that when I took classes from you,
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that it's You're so amazing. It's like, how could I
possibly write? So I think that from a student perspective,
and I just want to say this part of it
so other people can dispel that piece of them because
what I've found out was I don't need to be
like you. I fucking love you for eternity, but I
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don't need to be you. I I fucking love Patricia.
I don't need to be her. I need to be
me and find my ways. And I think that with
students coming in, for them to understand that they are
the captain of their own energetic ship. Um is to
know that it is their way to do it and
they don't have to be like you or anybody else.
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And that's I just wanted to say that from a
student perspective because seriously, Okay, I've been a student a
lot too, and I will say I literally had this
conversation with one of my coaching clients who is trying
to please his manager, right, and he's like, we'll call
his manager Jim. Okay, and I've said him, don't try
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and be Jim. You will be a terrible Jim. You
will fail miserably as Jim. And Jim doesn't need you
to be Jim. He needs you to be you. Please
lead your organization in a way that is useful to Jim.
That's what he needs. He doesn't need you to be him. Right,
it's the same. It's the same for students. And I
would have been a terrible Brenda. Let's be honest, I
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would be a terrible Elf. Right. I mean, it's just
what it is, and that's the beauty of it. But
I just think for those because I know, because you know,
we hear more than anything from our listeners is they
want to learn more. They want to be taught, they
want to engage, age, they want to um excel and
ascend and all those really magnificent words about wanting to
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be better, right, and and I just I just want
them to know they're not alone if they're intimidated, you know,
I want them to know that you are so perfectly
perfect on who you are. And however you receive a message,
or however you process something, or if you have to
look at your watch and do math with it, or
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if you have to use your fingers and count, or
you or you have to close your eyes to see,
or you have to tap on a table to tap in.
You taught me that. It's like you're like tapped the car.
Do have to tap the car? Yeah, it'll, it'll do it.
And it told me everything I needed to know. And
I'm just going to quickly say, when I did that
for the first time outside of your classroom, and this
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is a back pre zoom classes meaning your living room,
um like outside of that, when I first tapped, that
was when I know, I've talked about this. When I
got the message for this lovely woman who I did
not know that there was a child waiting for her
on the other side, and she must have actually frozen
her eggs and that's exactly what happened. And that was
when tapping on a card. And and there's so many
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ways to to do it. I mean, I love the
I don't know where this saying comes from, and so
they'll have to let me know, y'all. But I there's
the acting that says, when there is a path laid
out in front of you, it's not yours. I love
that so much because and it can't be yours because
you have to create it in order for it to
have meaning for you. Right, you have to have been
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Kermit the frog who said it, because that'd be cool.
It could have been, but I don't believe that was it.
So but but I did. I think it's really important
and it's impound to know. Trust your guidance. Right. I
love to study, right, I love to study. I'm fascinated
by so many things. But not all things are appropriate
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for me to study. They're not beneficial. Like I would
have loved to have a degree in positive psychology, Like
I just think that sounds so cool. The same and
you know, with the the council of my guides, not
the directive. But the Council of my Guides, they're like, no,
because that's going to take you down a very academic,
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intellectual path that's going to test you and distract you
from your actual soul of work. They you know you
signed up for. I'm like, that makes so much sense,
even though it sounds really fun, but I think you
know it's it's just it's not my path, right, yeah, right,
because the academic side of it a lot of times,
unfortunately can sit down. Yeah, it's a grind to the
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spiritual side, right. Yeah. Do you know every times I
said I've wanted to be a lawyer, I mean seriously,
and for years, even when we moved to Arkansas, said
to Susan, like, maybe I could go and roll um
in law school at at the University of Arkansas and
like finally get a lot of degree. And She's like, Okay, honey,
go ahead. I love Susanne, right, she totally knows how
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to work my ship. She's so good. Um, But you
know what, I I didn't do it and haven't done
done it because it's not my path. I just want
to argue in front of people in a room. But
I think you also want to tell stories, right, I
want to tell stories. I do. I do want to
tell stories. Yeah, um, so thank you. Um wow, this
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has been awesome. I've learned so much from you today.
I've learned so much about you today. Right, what the hell?
I know you never told me you want to lawyer.
I want to be Laura and I have a one
two I Q alleged or not or not whatever. But
it's a great story though, you know. And I just
want to say one more thing before we go on this,
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because what I love about um and I didn't. I didn't.
It wasn't like a pre premeditated response to Judy when
she apologized, I'm like, oh, it's okay. It probably added
humility some place where I needed it kind of things.
And because I remember this guy used to work with
a box and he was really handsome. Guy hit a
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massive scar on his face, I think I might have
told this story. And I asked himself, well, how'd that happened?
He goes, You're the only one that has ever had
the courage to ask me, and he he was actually
on a subway train in New York City. He was
a victim of a gang initiation, and so they sliced
his face, and I said, so, how do you feel
about it? And he goes another question I've never heard.
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I'm like, but how do you feel about it? And
you know he was He didn't, he was upset and
he's gay man, So that's like very much in the
whole looks department, right, And I said, who were you before?
And he goes another question I haven't heard, and he goes,
you know, it's kind of arrogant to da da da dada.
And I said, do you think you're like a kinder,
gentler version than what you once was? He goes, I absolutely,
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And I said, then it's a gift. Yeah, I said,
it brought humility into your life in a very unexpected way.
And I kind of call what Judy told me, do
the same thing to me. You change the trajectory, right, yeah,
change the trajectory. Yeah, but it's a blessing sometimes. And
I do hope that people will also think about the
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teachers they sign up for after today's session, because especially
if a spiritual teacher. And now, look, there are rules, right,
there are rules of engagement in the spirit world and
expansion and meditation, like try them on and then trust
your instinct because there are things that seem attractive on
the outside, and then you get into it you're like, well,
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I thought it was gonna be more fun, you know,
like I thought this is gonna like You're not to
say that any spiritual work isn't work. Of course, it
is that. It takes practice, It takes discipline, It takes
dedication to have the payoff bottom line with any practice,
no matter what you're doing, whether it's lawyer or anything else.
But if it doesn't, if it feels constraining, like Mrs
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Hans mathematical instructions, I couldn't find I just couldn't follow it.
I didn't know what the hell she was talking about.
So I figured out something to make it work or
had help. But like trust your instincts. It may not
It may be something that you admire, it may be
something that you get someone to offer you in the future.
But if it's not your path, honor that, Honor your
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own intuition, your own knowing. So because that path in
front of you you should not see because if you do,
it is not yours, not yours. I like that so much.
That is so good as some wisdom right there, I
gotta find out where it came from but yeah and no,
definitely no, it's from it's from the Eastern traditions. But
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a tow saying, Okay, find it. I really want to
know this, I'll find it. So thank you everybody. This
has been great, at least for us. Remember our school
is hard without the other side. Thanks y'all, yea thank
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you for joining us everyone, and a special thanks to
our producer Joey pat and our executive producer Maya Cole Howard,
who guides us well we guide you. Hit us up
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