September 4, 2025 • 64 mins
This week Lesllie speaks to 'Samantha,' a woman who got caught up in the drug trade in Mexico and was almost murdered by her employers. Samantha tells Leslie about how she got caught up in the drug trade, being shot 9 times, and her hopes for the future of Mexico.
Hosted by Leslie Dobson. Produced by Liam Billingham. Executive producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for Workhouse Media. The views expressed in this podcast episode are solely those of the guest speaker and do not reflect the views of the host or the production company.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Okay, you're here. Welcome to intentionally disturbing.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I have the unique opportunity of speaking with an ex
cartel member today. I came out to Cabo to speak
with her, and I'm very excited to share her story.
But I'm also very excited to share the story of
the cartel with Americans because I feel like we have
a lot of information that's just simply not true.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I am very honored and lucky to be able to.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Speak with her today because she survived being shot many
times in an attempted murder when people around her, her friends,
were actually killed. So we're going to jump over to
the name, which we picked is Samantha, and we have
a friend of mine interpreting because Samantha only speaks Spanish and.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I only speak English.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So we're gonna jump right into some hard hitting questions.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Thank you for being here. Okay, so Hm, can you.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Tell me a little bit about your life before the cartel.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Ante and a pie my mom.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
She used to just be at home with her mom
and just cleaning, helping, helping, cleaning her mom the house
and do chores, and then she started working in construction. Okay, okay, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And what did you do in construction.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
You guess y doesn't know, I said.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Piedroquant She will do the mix of the concrete and
to put the rocks in the walls.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Okay there, Yeah, And how much did they pay you?
What was your one money?
Speaker 7 (02:23):
Like Thoman, she will get two thousand and five hundred
pestels That is like a fifty one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Dollars one hundred and fifty dollars a week a week.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (02:43):
For eight hours a day, eight hours.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
A day, one hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
How old were you when you started working?
Speaker 8 (02:50):
Get ten years?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Mm hm those irons twelve wow?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And so how how old were you when you started
to work for the cartoon.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Thenas twenty?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Can you tell me a little bit about how how
it started, how you became involved?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Mmo Cane He was medio poor Abrillo while olympaven there there.
Speaker 9 (03:43):
So she used to like walk around and party around.
One time she found a block of drug taped with
the brown's teeth and she opened it and she started
selling that because she knew it was And then one
time the.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
Police pick her up.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
He was another Yeah, so the people from the cartel
picked her up when after she found the drugs and
(04:36):
they took her and they put a gun in her head.
Speaker 9 (04:40):
And she used to use a lot of drugs back then,
and she was kind of like a crazy.
Speaker 8 (04:45):
Lady and now.
Speaker 9 (04:50):
And they were going to kill her in that moment,
and she said, just kill me because I have nothing
to live for.
Speaker 8 (04:58):
So they took the gun down. The kind of like
for her a job to start telling drugs.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
But why did you feel like you had nothing to
live for?
Speaker 8 (05:12):
Porcian Conti and develop.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And Tero.
Speaker 8 (05:22):
Yeah, like they were.
Speaker 9 (05:24):
Going to kill her, like she thought that it was
easier just to let them know that she didn't care
because they already had like the gone ready.
Speaker 8 (05:35):
To kill her. So she's like, what just do it?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But she was drown.
Speaker 8 (05:39):
I think.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
A momento yellow ice.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
She used to do ice.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
What's ice?
Speaker 9 (05:50):
Yellow?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Case of my people or in it lies is in no?
Speaker 9 (06:04):
And she was doing this they called it ice, and
they put it in a pipe and fired it and
then they smoke.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It like crystal made okay, but more pure, more pure?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, okay, So you knew that they had so much
power that they were going to kill you.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Where the game.
Speaker 9 (06:38):
Then? So She didn't know that her close friends were
in Bold also in the cartel, and they went to
tell the higher people that she was stealing the drugs
and selling them.
Speaker 8 (06:53):
Oh so they told on her. So that's why she
thought that they were going to kill her.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh well fuck them.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, And so it didn't feel like you had a choice,
was no.
Speaker 9 (07:17):
Yeah, it was work for them or kill or they
will kill her. And they all took her to like
far far away, nobody was around, and they were going
to kill her.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Is that what I read about called the torture zones
or the torture areas.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
It's understand less process less loss.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
See, yeah, that's terrifying. Can you tell me more about
the the torture areas or what we call them?
Speaker 8 (07:51):
The last.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
No, she doesn't know that much, do you know?
Speaker 9 (07:57):
Look yesterday she only she never do any torture things.
She only was selling the drugs.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And then do they do they They then tell you
your job and your assignment. What happened after.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
One yea, I am.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Will be the CEA.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
So they gave her a phone, they gave her a car,
and in the phone was all the contacts that she
was supposed to deliver the drugs too, and so she
took herself out of her family circle and she got
out of the house, so she didn't put her daughters
in danger.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Mm hm and your daughters denis what the.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
Two daughters thirteen and fourth and twelve? Now, yeah, how
they were Guda is.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
The chiquita's where is a pass?
Speaker 8 (09:18):
Say that I was going?
Speaker 9 (09:24):
So she started when six years ago there was this
rival thing in Cabo between two cartels, and that's when
she started working with them. When everybody was the cartel
were fighting to each other and we had a lot
of shooting around and a lot of dead people.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well I remember in in America it was all over
our news saying don't go to Cabo, you'll be killed.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
Yeah, but it wasn't.
Speaker 9 (09:52):
In the sentences Solos Matas Carteleesa.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Plaza, there's a local Dona.
Speaker 9 (10:08):
And Lucas, and so in Cargo we have two cartels,
the San Lucas and the San Croose. So the Sanse
start selling drugs in San Lucas, so they didn't like it,
so that's why it started the shooting everywhere. But it
was just between them. Probably a lot of people got
(10:29):
in the middle, but it was just between them.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay, So yeah, I mean our news made it seem
like Americans would be killed if they came, but it
was more cartel against cartel and owning land.
Speaker 8 (10:46):
Aramas and last seas, and it's a tonidos los.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
Los Americans and peligron in America for las blasceras ramas
can andres cartel.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You know it must be ants party, uh huh.
Speaker 9 (11:09):
It was only in the cartel and there were a
lot of people around that they start stealing drugs from
the cartel.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
So that's where the people that they were shoot.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
What you were doing was really dangerous. So what what
kept you? What kept you in it?
Speaker 8 (11:29):
Look at.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Is well over the es Andre Sprasta.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
They were threatening her that if she leaves, they will
kill her. So she just kept going until yes, you
want to go through the shooting and she lasts two
years after.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
They shut her.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh you stayed even after this?
Speaker 8 (12:09):
No, okay, okay.
Speaker 9 (12:12):
So so she lasts two years working for them until
they shot her for seven times.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Can you tell me about it? Maybe maybe in like
shorter sentences and then we can translate. And here's the story.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Where's and and alas to saw American.
Speaker 9 (12:57):
She's talking about the shoes six years ago that they
killed one American in Palmia, in one of the nicest
neighborhoods in Cabo. And that's why she thinks that Americans
didn't want to come back to Cargo because they the
only news that went through was the one that the American.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
Was killed in Palmia.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Lat hospital paper.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
Okay, So she remembers that one day she had her
daughter really sick.
Speaker 9 (13:48):
She was dehydrated and with really high favor and she
had to ask her boss to go out and.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
Take her to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And her boss like.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
In par.
Speaker 9 (14:07):
For her to sell the drugs. She has a bus
and she had to ask him to go out and
to take her daughter to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Oh so they controlled everything everything you did, see.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
No see think and live in the patrol.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
Yeah, she has to whatever to go to the market,
to go to secret thing. So don't do anything without
asking for permission.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Wow, they trying nothing appropriate.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
So you live in vives and.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You might be and.
Speaker 8 (14:46):
Okay, so she lives.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
She lived by herself, but she has to ask about
Like if she goes anywhere, she has to ask for permission.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
What would happen if you didn't Asklissa?
Speaker 8 (15:03):
Yeah, they will go and look for her and they
will beat her.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
They would just punch her and they would be you
up if you didn't tell them.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
But so are they.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
It controls your life. They're watching you all the.
Speaker 8 (15:20):
Time, control of servan see yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Movie.
Speaker 9 (15:31):
And they have to be very careful with all the
people that they have for selling the drugs because some
of them they're drug addicts and they it has one ounce,
they will take a little bit and.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
A little bit of each bad and sell it extra.
So they have to be very on what every cell
person is doing.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Wow, yeah, how is the money?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And with Ami patron Joil del mater a meat pass
no hala aldia and for.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
Everything that she will sell, he had to she has
to give to her bus eighty thousand.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Pels a day, So it's like eighty thousand pels.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
Forty four thousand dollars a day and you give to.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Your bus and.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
And Jocato and milt Paesels Jopendia or commission on the
day and sala no the yoga.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
So they will give her the drugs and she will
she can sell them as much as they want, as
much as she wants. She had to give the eighty
thousand pestles to her bus, and she will keep like
fifteen thousand pestles for herself a day, So it's like
three thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Three thousand dollars a day. That's a lot of money
versus one hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
The tricky at Hope, were you using the drugs too?
Speaker 8 (17:31):
Consume as drugs and as a momentum see see the.
Speaker 9 (17:39):
Level she had to be active twenty four hour twenty
four seven because she didn't have someone to do the
job with her, so she had to have Well, she
was using drugs to keep awake all day every day.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So are the drugs given to you as part of
what you sell or do you take them from what
you're supposed to sell?
Speaker 8 (18:03):
The consume.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
There's the theta so and sin patron.
Speaker 9 (18:35):
Okay, And they will give her to like six packages
seven packages of whatever drug they will give her to sell,
and she has to sell five for to give back
the money to her bus, and the other two she
will keep them.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
For her use.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh so it's like a tap yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
There you pa.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
So she will sell those two and consume part of
it and then for her to have money.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I've never done Crystal math and patamine. What does it
feel like?
Speaker 8 (19:16):
What did it do to yousoo?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Is must be.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
Different. She will feel relaxed, not to feel not to
get sleepy.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
How long does it last?
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Who?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
No?
Speaker 9 (20:07):
So it depends on how you consume the drug. It
can be in a pipe, it can be in a
light bulb, or it can be in a spoon. So
it depends on how you consume the drug. Is the
effects that she gets. But she's been using that for
a long time, so she has to do different types
(20:27):
of consuming for her to have the different reactions.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
The only thing she was using it is to stay awake.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Okay do you still use that now?
Speaker 8 (20:40):
M okay?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
How how often.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
There are no? The ideo?
Speaker 8 (20:51):
And she used to do it every day? Not not
anymore once or twice a week now those versus.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Al semona non from rspend.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
It depends on the money.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Does it?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Does it help your emotions?
Speaker 8 (21:08):
Tell you?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Is he as a controller?
Speaker 8 (21:14):
Yeah? It knows for her to control her emotions.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Because do you do you have trauma and anxiety from
the truma?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Here is al.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Denis agon trauma or Ancia dad for.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
For me? For me?
Speaker 9 (21:34):
No, she likes it because she can not taking it
anytime she wants, so she could just do it when
it's not it's not a neat, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
More of a reward.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be
right back. So can you talk about getting like what
was that like to actually be shot.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
In dis Gali interportant.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
At the moment, she she didn't feel anything, but like
minutes later she started feeling warm, her entire body.
Speaker 8 (22:26):
Ill.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So what was Yeah, what was happening? You were just
you were standing in a group of people and you
were shot, and.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
The stars contend Astoria Jevas.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
As she still live, Ye ma comedian, I mean love
and sal Yeah, bundo centia san esperando. So she took
her it was he because Alaska.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
So she went to take her to the doctor. So
she told her mom that she was going to get
a doctor for her daughter.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And wa.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Kink water. Yeah, okay, we can be here human be normal,
I know, okay.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
And as soon as she jumped in the car, and
she felt that something bad is what's going to happen.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
And as soon as she passed the.
Speaker 9 (23:43):
Convenience store by her house, she saw everybody that they
were waiting for her.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
It was directly to her like they were going to
kill her.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So the day that your boss took your daughter to
the doctors was the same day, no.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
Man. So she was going to deliver some drugs and
she was going to go back to get her daughter.
And as soon as she saw the store, she saw
the people waiting for her and iperando.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
The car.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
So they she saw the people and as soon as
they saw her, they start shooting at her car.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Why why.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Who is just down person? I love? Or I saw.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
They saw the cartel car, they listen, no.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Saving the lamang saving.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
It's hard for me to understand this a little bit,
but I'll ask her if I have a dubt.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
What she's saying is the.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Okay, So in Mexico we have different types of government
and what when the elections won. Here in Cabo, we
have a name one named pan p a n And
they bought the cartels. So they kind of like put
(25:45):
their new cartels like their own cartels in Cabo.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
They they bought the cartels. The government bought the cartels.
Speaker 9 (25:53):
That's how it works. Like, okay, the the government has
their own cartels.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
People would I be like like elon Musk buying the cartels. Yeah,
because he was loved by Trump right now more than
Elon Musk.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
It will be like Trump buying the cartels because now
he's going to be the president. Okay, you know that
he's buying the cartel like he brings.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So the government came in and said, the cartails are here,
no matter what, I want to control them.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
No, no, no, I am going to bring my own
people from the cartel, my own people cause okay, my people,
cause now I am ruling, I'm government. I I am
the government in Cabo. Now I'm bringing my cartel. So
the cartel from the other government and start killing their
employees cause they don't need them anymore.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's that it's that h heartless.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
It's like when when somebody buys a company, you have
to you deal with them or you fire them.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
So in a cartel you fire them new people.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
So if you were to buy like the Ford company,
you just are going to kill all the employees because
you want to change it to Chevy exactly.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
Yes, and says.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I can remember lest I don't know while you seeing
Gena hung Eva and he does lospital me and this
ban he.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
So she got shot eight times, and she kept driving
trying to get to the hospital. But two blocks before
and she was covering blood and her car was covering blood.
And two blocks before she got it to the hospital,
she painted because.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
She was.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
Very injured.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Jo Sola man.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
No, that.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Was on the y.
Speaker 9 (28:08):
Yeah, okay, so two blocks before she think and that's
when the police arrived to her and brought an ambulance
and they took her to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
My god, you're so tough to drive that far after
how how long?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
How many minutes do you think were you driving after
you had been shots.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
With?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Let's start us.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
And she was close to the hospital, but not close
because they blocked some streets, so she had to go around.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
M where is.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Tutes And when this happened, you were with other people
who got killed.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
When thea again maso.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
In no simply Americans.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
And they will never let her get anyone in her
car because the car belonged to the cartel. So she
was the only one who drive and the only person
that got shot.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Watch her.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
Nobody else got injured.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh okay, and you were it happened while you were
inside the car.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Die. We are not a meal.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
And she always have to be by herself, because if
she's in the car with somebody else and the police
gets her and her boss is not going to do
anything for the other person. They will save her, but
the other person is gone, they will put her and
(30:21):
put her put the person in jail, or kill them
or whatever they don't respond for. So that's why she
wasn't allowed to bring anyone in the car.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
So because they're on the car, what was it like
when you saw them and knew that they were there
to kill you?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
The poisonment.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
And another.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
She was she felt like.
Speaker 9 (31:03):
Her world just collapsed because she was told that they
were going to keep her alive because they needed her
and that they were protected going to protect her. So
when she.
Speaker 8 (31:18):
Noticed that they were there to kill her, her world
just collapsed.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
She felt, that's fucking insane. So how long were you
in the hospital when.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Them to be in lospita and the lospita and.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Won miss.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
A little more than a month, and what happened after.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
The elep became a puzzle.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
They thought that she was dead. So and this place is.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah was ol la paso mio as a popular open
he was quarto It is again movie A You're not
going to take it in coma.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
So the ambulance thought that everybody thought that she was dead.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
So they took her to La Pass to the hospital,
and they just put her in a room thinking that
she was dead. And then when the nurse came in
to check on the body, she opened her eyes and
that's when they connected her again to the.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Machines and she was.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And coma and tona man and.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
She was in a coma for a week after they
thought she was dead.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
No PSS can tell her an millimp and then if so?
Speaker 8 (33:05):
When she woke up, she.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
Saw all these people around her and she just started
punching everybody because memory she had in her head was
were there to.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Kill just the nurses and doctors?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
She thought that whoever was he was going to kill her.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Are you are you a good fighter?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Are you trained in fighting?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Lo pedal?
Speaker 8 (33:39):
But she can hit him man. She has got into
fights with men.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
So she's.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
You have to so wait, So was that did you
quit after that? Did they?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Porky familiar?
Speaker 9 (34:08):
So she talked to her boss and she told him
that she wanted to quit because she was already in
a lot of danger and she didn't want to risk
her daughters more than.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
She already did.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Lady here, and I said.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
So, he said that it was okay for him for
her to leave the the job.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
And she just wanted to know how much money she
owed him because of everything about the doctors and and
he said nothing, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
We are.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
P because of the shooting.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
That's what.
Speaker 8 (35:03):
That's why it was easier for her to get out
of it.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
But who it wasn't your boss who wanted to kill you? Oh?
Did they want to kill your boss?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
To must be.
Speaker 9 (35:36):
I'm locking, and they always want to kill the higher
level of but all the employees are the one that
loses in the fight up.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
With the cartels because they can access you.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
So they want to kill her boss. And the boss
of her boss of her was of her pose.
Speaker 9 (36:01):
And the the lower rank are the ones who gets
shut before they get to their buses.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Well that's shiitty, that's just how it works. You just start.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
And as is coming.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Casinoque nasal material para the ssposal.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
She didn't.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
She never met her boss, so she had someone to
deliver just the product. But she will talk to him
by phone, so whatever she needs from him. Yeah, he
wasn't here he lives in California?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Does he live near me?
Speaker 8 (37:10):
Your neighbor?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So I mean, are you okay now?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
See yuh.
Speaker 9 (37:22):
Yeah, she she got out of it, say it and
sounds like she's okay. She doesn't seem to be in
danger anymore.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, why why did you want to leave?
Speaker 8 (37:43):
She risked her family and her daughters a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Mm hmm maybe boys and appropriate thirteen no communia.
Speaker 9 (38:07):
So she she she just wanted because she never had
a life. She always had to be to take care
of the phone and pick up all the calls and
to deliver whatever they said, and so she needed a break.
And after the shooting she felt that was about time.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I think that was a good idea. Yes, so how
is how is your life now?
Speaker 8 (38:34):
It comes to the.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Window comes? Yeah, I think he roll was Helene Lavendo.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
So now she tries to get a job.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
She had a job after that after the shooting and
doing events like putting all the tables and stuff.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
But now the company she used to work it's bankrupt,
so they close.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
And now what she does is whatever job somebody asked her,
didn't she will do it like cleaning a piece of
land or doing a wood looks wood looks little jobs
like that.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
So if you could, if you could give a message
to people if they are approached by cartel, what would
you tell them to do?
Speaker 8 (39:38):
And cy City Bubian No, see.
Speaker 9 (39:56):
She in contact with the cartels sometimes just to because
she has a client that needs something, so she will
put it in contact with the culture.
Speaker 8 (40:04):
But that's about it.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
We'll be right back after this break. Would you say
that Americans are safe coming to Cabo even if Americans
are buying drugs from cartel here?
Speaker 8 (40:22):
Americans need a Cabo. Yeah, they're safe.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
We need.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
Yeah, as long as you don't get in trouble and
just buying the drugs. They don't, They won't do anything
to them.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Are the drugs safe?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I mean I know, I know drugs are not safe,
but they don't want to kill something else?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, Like how many do they want.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
The Nike where?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Kayo?
Speaker 8 (41:04):
Yeah, she said that they're good.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Okay, so there isn't a big plant.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
They've been oka.
Speaker 9 (41:14):
It also depends on your consumed Like if American gets
crazy and do more than they should, they're going.
Speaker 8 (41:20):
To die, but not because the cartail wants.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Them to tye.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So how does an American know what drugs to buy
and from who when they're American.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Buenos mmm bos Americans.
Speaker 9 (41:39):
They only smoke weed. The Americans, I think Americans. The
only thing they want to come here.
Speaker 8 (41:45):
Is just to get weed.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Oh so if they're if if someone wants to sell
them crystal math.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Can or portos here America, no lost you.
Speaker 9 (42:12):
Oh the people from there, the ones that they to transportation,
those are the ones who sell the drugs to the
Americans that they get here. Like if you're right to
Caw in the airport, you take a taxi and the
taxi is going to oh you want this?
Speaker 8 (42:28):
They are the main contact to get drugs in CA.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okay, So if the cartel asked you to come back
and work for them, would you.
Speaker 9 (42:43):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
No longer than not anymore?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
No? Did they try?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Okay, See they chose America.
Speaker 9 (43:04):
So after the shooting, he moved to Mexico City and
was there for two months and then went to Getredo and.
Speaker 8 (43:11):
Stayed there for.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
A Yeah, completely wasn't.
Speaker 8 (43:21):
So she left the year and during that year.
Speaker 9 (43:24):
They asked her to come back and she said no, no,
And now that she's back, they've been asking her to
come back, but she keeps saying no.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Is he.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Not is it hard to say now?
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Is no the psar you are no cares.
Speaker 8 (43:50):
It's not hard to say no. And they can make her.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Respect they respect that part.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Wow yeah, okay, m hmm. So what's life like now? What?
What what do you do now? Are you with your
children and family and.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
Pass familia see to familiar Stati.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
S Ham.
Speaker 9 (44:37):
Her family was upset with her about she joining the cartel,
but they tried to help as much as they can
because we're in Mexican and.
Speaker 8 (44:47):
They are happy now that she's not there anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
M hm Are you happy now?
Speaker 9 (44:54):
It is.
Speaker 8 (44:58):
Yeah, because she has her own life.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, who raano no poor Purposilomi.
Speaker 9 (45:11):
So I asked her if she makes the money and
that she said that not that much because she's being
always good on finding jobs and take care of her
and her family.
Speaker 8 (45:27):
She's always looking for a way to make money.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Oh yeah, but not easy money.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Please do you ever worry about your children joining the cartel?
For them asking her them.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
To seek us.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
The no no salin and delia suela ala casa or.
Speaker 8 (45:59):
So she talks to them, try.
Speaker 9 (46:02):
To explain a little bit, and but they don't go
out that much, so they just go to school. To
the playground and that's it.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Boys it boys.
Speaker 9 (46:20):
Want so people around her daughters, they told their daughters
about what she was doing, and they start asking her
questions and she had to start to explain to them
little by little, but yeah, she told them the truth.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
How long are you going to keep doing the drugs?
Speaker 8 (46:50):
She doesn't know?
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Do you want to stop?
Speaker 9 (46:55):
Where's so she stopped consuming drugs, and then when she
lost her job, she got depressed and she started using
(47:17):
them again. But she got sad because she was able
to leave them on her own. And now she's back.
So if she wants, she will quit any time until
she wants.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
There are other things the drugs, is it? Do you
feel like you can access good health care here?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
And like therapy?
Speaker 8 (47:47):
And as uh.
Speaker 9 (47:56):
Does she can't do it on her own. She has
a good conviction. Whenever she wants she will stop consuming.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
But she doesn't see.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
I can understand.
Speaker 8 (48:13):
It's great joy right now.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
It's to is to lou Felisa, boys not really boys
says until Mary this you came energy.
Speaker 8 (48:29):
She consumed to have energy.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
So mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (48:33):
It's not that it makes her happy or sad or anything.
It's just for her to have energy, But what about.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Coffee in you.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
See confessing.
Speaker 8 (48:51):
She also smokes cigarette. So she takes a nap okay
red into the woods and get wood for So it's
a hard job mhmm for her to sell the the woodlogs.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (49:14):
Okay, she needs energy more than a coffee.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
So what do you want to do in the future?
What do you want to do for life and with
your kids?
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Now? Alacking, I want you.
Speaker 8 (49:35):
She wants to make a lot of money to help people.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
She likes to help people doing what.
Speaker 8 (49:42):
And killers They will.
Speaker 9 (49:43):
Tell you that.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Unless yours, but I can blow ask him the communicating
that list.
Speaker 9 (49:57):
And when she has money, she likes to help her
capt people like especially women, So she likes to have
a lot of money too.
Speaker 8 (50:05):
And when she has a lot of money, she helps
a lot of disabled women.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Boys every time is.
Speaker 9 (50:22):
She's not she needs a job and she's looking for
a job to make more money so she can help more.
Speaker 8 (50:28):
And she's not happy about not finding a job like that.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
H What is it about helping disabled women that makes
you happy?
Speaker 8 (50:40):
Case? Look at the guando does.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Pork. I'm joy enjoy Linda.
Speaker 9 (51:00):
Love. She she doesn't like violence and injustice and she
feels that right now, there's a lot of violence for women,
so she doesn't like it.
Speaker 8 (51:20):
So that's why she likes to help with that.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Did you have to be violent when you were working
in the cartel.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Personal?
Speaker 8 (51:36):
No, she was never violent.
Speaker 9 (51:38):
She was very it was very easy. She was humble
and if somebody asked for a favor, she will help.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
That's so wild that there's there's good. It feels like
there's good in it, but also there's they will kill
you in a second.
Speaker 8 (51:58):
Different is.
Speaker 5 (52:08):
What's program.
Speaker 8 (52:13):
It's an experience that you have to live once in
a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Can is there?
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Can you tell people who don't understand the cartel? Can
you give them a message about.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
What we hear is not real? Like the truth behind it?
Speaker 9 (52:35):
Can can stand my local.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
You know?
Speaker 9 (52:58):
So it's not as bad as it looks, but only
if you do the things right and not to try
to mess with the cartail Like if you do right
with them, they will do right with you, but if
you mess with them, they will kill you. Do you.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
At the end of the day, do you think the
cartels are are good for Mexico or bad?
Speaker 9 (53:23):
And Buenosicolus was let me say so and how things
are right now. She doesn't know if they are.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Good or not because there are changes with the government.
Speaker 9 (53:42):
Or the government has changed a lot, and they don't
want to make deals with the cartils anymore.
Speaker 8 (53:55):
So it's been harder.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
So if the government was making more deals, you would
be more in favor of the cartels than they would
be helpful.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Mmm. Boys, it's good.
Speaker 8 (54:20):
Yeah, the same government as the cartil.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Someday.
Speaker 8 (54:27):
Yeah, all the cartoil people are.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
The government is the cartel.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Person.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
What would Mexico be like without the cartel? No? Was the.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Mm hmm where it's gay one more. That's when I'm
mafia And she doesn't know.
Speaker 8 (55:02):
She doesn't. She can't see Mexico without cartel because.
Speaker 9 (55:08):
Mafias without government, they don't have a drugs and without
no drugs, no government.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
So it's.
Speaker 8 (55:21):
They're together. They come together.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (55:24):
The government money comes from the cartel, and the cartel
makes money because the government opens the door for them.
Speaker 8 (55:31):
So it's comes together.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Does the cartel make fun of American gangs?
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Do they think they're whimps?
Speaker 9 (55:42):
It Los cartels a Mexico lass los americanas Americas?
Speaker 1 (55:51):
No, really, I've heard before that they.
Speaker 9 (55:56):
Bortland Los a mexicanus Los the las bandos getting gus whose.
Speaker 8 (56:07):
No, she haven't heard that?
Speaker 1 (56:11):
Oh how funny. Yeah, I mean maybe it's just that
the cartel.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Maybe no, I've known other Mexican cartel who it's just
it's such a strong family and it's so much bigger,
and there they are so much more. It's so easy
for them to kill and make decisions when in gangs
it's harder to do.
Speaker 9 (56:35):
In Los Cartasive, tom espart and last Bandias the America
they see Los carts a Mexico and.
Speaker 8 (56:48):
Estells no no lost.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
And it's no different and we different. Where's the yellow
and pedal a yeah, yes, ye yes, yeah, okay hmm.
Speaker 9 (57:15):
She thinks that it works different in America than in
Mexico because in America they respect a little more they're workers,
and here is like, no kill her, kill her.
Speaker 8 (57:29):
So maybe that's why we have we're not whimps.
Speaker 3 (57:37):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Okay, did you just crack your neck? Does feel good? Neck?
How is your How is your physical health? After being
shot eight times?
Speaker 8 (58:03):
She has her her shoulder is not in the right place.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
But that's the only thing she has, honest. See, and
the boys.
Speaker 8 (58:15):
In the place, so in the winter, the cold, she
had to wood. Gunshots in her shoulders.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Oh, yeah, I went through You have holes in your body.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
Maybe I don't know, Alyoka in the lasa.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
So she she's pointing to parts of her head that
were shot and her neck and her shoulder, one.
Speaker 9 (58:52):
In her lungs, one, two in her shoulders, one went
through her neck and went through.
Speaker 8 (59:01):
The other cheek, one in the next to her eye.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
Wow. Do you feel lucky to be alive?
Speaker 8 (59:11):
A lot? Yeah, yeah, she really do.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
Mm hmmm, yeah I feel I feel you're lucky.
Speaker 8 (59:24):
Yeah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
Okay, what do you hope happens next in life? For
the future of your family, your kids? Mexico and we.
Speaker 9 (59:40):
Listen to the experiences par familiar Para Mexico.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
With your pens? Okay, bombos? Why taking the janus? I'm
telling Madam, I'll tell you.
Speaker 9 (01:00:10):
She has no hope that much right now because she
feels that there's a lot of violence in this world
and nobody is humble, nobody takes care of anybody. And
she's a little scared about.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
That Epius but Anonymous the kid, and she thinks.
Speaker 9 (01:00:35):
That that's why this here in Mexico and everywhere. That's
the problem, that violence and people not caring.
Speaker 8 (01:00:45):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
It is better, Okay.
Speaker 8 (01:00:56):
She wants her to get educated and not to be
in the same path that she took.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Where do you want them to be?
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Mm? Person guess the control and.
Speaker 8 (01:01:24):
One wants to be a chef and the other one
wants to be in passion. She does a lot of
She says that her daughter looks.
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Like you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
And she's gonna be in fashion.
Speaker 8 (01:01:40):
Okay, who is that?
Speaker 9 (01:01:41):
She likes to make clothes and cut her t shirts
and stuff to make them better.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Does she sell them?
Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Person?
Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
When you keep she makes for her dolls?
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
She could sell them. Do you have do you have Etsy?
Do you have Etsy? The website in Mexico where you
can make things and you put them online and sell them.
Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
Are internet ilas and we have been that will be nice?
Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
She's okay, I mean, well, I will never tell anyone
who you are or what you look like. But maybe
we can somehow help promote her her clothing company. We'll
find a way.
Speaker 8 (01:02:41):
We'll look for.
Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Okay, this has been intentionally disturbing with doctor Leslie. I
hope you had a moment to listen and go behind
the headlines to see the reality of the cartel in
Mexico and how it affects people in it and people
out of it. And I want to say thank you
so much for doing this. I feel very lucky to
have the opportunity to meet you and that you're alive.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
But you need to stop doing drugs within two years,
two years years.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Thank you for listening and we'll see you next time.
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Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
What, I'm still the boss. Thanks again for listening.
Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
We'll see you next week for more Intentionally Disturbing,
Okay, you're here. Welcome to intentionally disturbing.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I have the unique opportunity of speaking with an ex
cartel member today. I came out to Cabo to speak
with her, and I'm very excited to share her story.
But I'm also very excited to share the story of
the cartel with Americans because I feel like we have
a lot of information that's just simply not true.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I am very honored and lucky to be able to.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Speak with her today because she survived being shot many
times in an attempted murder when people around her, her friends,
were actually killed. So we're going to jump over to
the name, which we picked is Samantha, and we have
a friend of mine interpreting because Samantha only speaks Spanish and.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
I only speak English.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
So we're gonna jump right into some hard hitting questions.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Thank you for being here. Okay, so Hm, can you.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Tell me a little bit about your life before the cartel.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Ante and a pie my mom.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
She used to just be at home with her mom
and just cleaning, helping, helping, cleaning her mom the house
and do chores, and then she started working in construction. Okay, okay, yes.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
And what did you do in construction.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
You guess y doesn't know, I said.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
Piedroquant She will do the mix of the concrete and
to put the rocks in the walls.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Okay there, Yeah, And how much did they pay you?
What was your one money?
Speaker 7 (02:23):
Like Thoman, she will get two thousand and five hundred
pestels That is like a fifty one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Dollars one hundred and fifty dollars a week a week.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (02:43):
For eight hours a day, eight hours.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
A day, one hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
How old were you when you started working?
Speaker 8 (02:50):
Get ten years?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Mm hm those irons twelve wow?
Speaker 3 (02:59):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
And so how how old were you when you started
to work for the cartoon.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Thenas twenty?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Can you tell me a little bit about how how
it started, how you became involved?
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Mmo Cane He was medio poor Abrillo while olympaven there there.
Speaker 9 (03:43):
So she used to like walk around and party around.
One time she found a block of drug taped with
the brown's teeth and she opened it and she started
selling that because she knew it was And then one
time the.
Speaker 8 (04:02):
Police pick her up.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
He was another Yeah, so the people from the cartel
picked her up when after she found the drugs and
(04:36):
they took her and they put a gun in her head.
Speaker 9 (04:40):
And she used to use a lot of drugs back then,
and she was kind of like a crazy.
Speaker 8 (04:45):
Lady and now.
Speaker 9 (04:50):
And they were going to kill her in that moment,
and she said, just kill me because I have nothing
to live for.
Speaker 8 (04:58):
So they took the gun down. The kind of like
for her a job to start telling drugs.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
But why did you feel like you had nothing to
live for?
Speaker 8 (05:12):
Porcian Conti and develop.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And Tero.
Speaker 8 (05:22):
Yeah, like they were.
Speaker 9 (05:24):
Going to kill her, like she thought that it was
easier just to let them know that she didn't care
because they already had like the gone ready.
Speaker 8 (05:35):
To kill her. So she's like, what just do it?
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But she was drown.
Speaker 8 (05:39):
I think.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
A momento yellow ice.
Speaker 8 (05:47):
She used to do ice.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
What's ice?
Speaker 9 (05:50):
Yellow?
Speaker 3 (05:51):
Case of my people or in it lies is in no?
Speaker 9 (06:04):
And she was doing this they called it ice, and
they put it in a pipe and fired it and
then they smoke.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
It like crystal made okay, but more pure, more pure?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Yeah, okay, So you knew that they had so much
power that they were going to kill you.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
Where the game.
Speaker 9 (06:38):
Then? So She didn't know that her close friends were
in Bold also in the cartel, and they went to
tell the higher people that she was stealing the drugs
and selling them.
Speaker 8 (06:53):
Oh so they told on her. So that's why she
thought that they were going to kill her.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Oh well fuck them.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, And so it didn't feel like you had a choice,
was no.
Speaker 9 (07:17):
Yeah, it was work for them or kill or they
will kill her. And they all took her to like
far far away, nobody was around, and they were going
to kill her.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Is that what I read about called the torture zones
or the torture areas.
Speaker 8 (07:34):
It's understand less process less loss.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
See, yeah, that's terrifying. Can you tell me more about
the the torture areas or what we call them?
Speaker 8 (07:51):
The last.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
No, she doesn't know that much, do you know?
Speaker 9 (07:57):
Look yesterday she only she never do any torture things.
She only was selling the drugs.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
And then do they do they They then tell you
your job and your assignment. What happened after.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
One yea, I am.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Will be the CEA.
Speaker 9 (08:35):
So they gave her a phone, they gave her a car,
and in the phone was all the contacts that she
was supposed to deliver the drugs too, and so she
took herself out of her family circle and she got
out of the house, so she didn't put her daughters
in danger.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Mm hm and your daughters denis what the.
Speaker 8 (09:01):
Two daughters thirteen and fourth and twelve? Now, yeah, how
they were Guda is.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
The chiquita's where is a pass?
Speaker 8 (09:18):
Say that I was going?
Speaker 9 (09:24):
So she started when six years ago there was this
rival thing in Cabo between two cartels, and that's when
she started working with them. When everybody was the cartel
were fighting to each other and we had a lot
of shooting around and a lot of dead people.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Well I remember in in America it was all over
our news saying don't go to Cabo, you'll be killed.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
Yeah, but it wasn't.
Speaker 9 (09:52):
In the sentences Solos Matas Carteleesa.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Plaza, there's a local Dona.
Speaker 9 (10:08):
And Lucas, and so in Cargo we have two cartels,
the San Lucas and the San Croose. So the Sanse
start selling drugs in San Lucas, so they didn't like it,
so that's why it started the shooting everywhere. But it
was just between them. Probably a lot of people got
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in the middle, but it was just between them.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay, So yeah, I mean our news made it seem
like Americans would be killed if they came, but it
was more cartel against cartel and owning land.
Speaker 8 (10:46):
Aramas and last seas, and it's a tonidos los.
Speaker 9 (10:51):
Los Americans and peligron in America for las blasceras ramas
can andres cartel.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
You know it must be ants party, uh huh.
Speaker 9 (11:09):
It was only in the cartel and there were a
lot of people around that they start stealing drugs from
the cartel.
Speaker 8 (11:18):
So that's where the people that they were shoot.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
What you were doing was really dangerous. So what what
kept you? What kept you in it?
Speaker 8 (11:29):
Look at.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Is well over the es Andre Sprasta.
Speaker 9 (11:45):
They were threatening her that if she leaves, they will
kill her. So she just kept going until yes, you
want to go through the shooting and she lasts two
years after.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
They shut her.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Oh you stayed even after this?
Speaker 8 (12:09):
No, okay, okay.
Speaker 9 (12:12):
So so she lasts two years working for them until
they shot her for seven times.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Can you tell me about it? Maybe maybe in like
shorter sentences and then we can translate. And here's the story.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Where's and and alas to saw American.
Speaker 9 (12:57):
She's talking about the shoes six years ago that they
killed one American in Palmia, in one of the nicest
neighborhoods in Cabo. And that's why she thinks that Americans
didn't want to come back to Cargo because they the
only news that went through was the one that the American.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
Was killed in Palmia.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Lat hospital paper.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
Okay, So she remembers that one day she had her
daughter really sick.
Speaker 9 (13:48):
She was dehydrated and with really high favor and she
had to ask her boss to go out and.
Speaker 8 (13:56):
Take her to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
And her boss like.
Speaker 8 (14:02):
In par.
Speaker 9 (14:07):
For her to sell the drugs. She has a bus
and she had to ask him to go out and
to take her daughter to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Oh so they controlled everything everything you did, see.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
No see think and live in the patrol.
Speaker 9 (14:27):
Yeah, she has to whatever to go to the market,
to go to secret thing. So don't do anything without
asking for permission.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Wow, they trying nothing appropriate.
Speaker 8 (14:38):
So you live in vives and.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
You might be and.
Speaker 8 (14:46):
Okay, so she lives.
Speaker 9 (14:49):
She lived by herself, but she has to ask about
Like if she goes anywhere, she has to ask for permission.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
What would happen if you didn't Asklissa?
Speaker 8 (15:03):
Yeah, they will go and look for her and they
will beat her.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
They would just punch her and they would be you
up if you didn't tell them.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
But so are they.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
It controls your life. They're watching you all the.
Speaker 8 (15:20):
Time, control of servan see yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Movie.
Speaker 9 (15:31):
And they have to be very careful with all the
people that they have for selling the drugs because some
of them they're drug addicts and they it has one ounce,
they will take a little bit and.
Speaker 8 (15:50):
A little bit of each bad and sell it extra.
So they have to be very on what every cell
person is doing.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Wow, yeah, how is the money?
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And with Ami patron Joil del mater a meat pass
no hala aldia and for.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
Everything that she will sell, he had to she has
to give to her bus eighty thousand.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Pels a day, So it's like eighty thousand pels.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
Forty four thousand dollars a day and you give to.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Your bus and.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
And Jocato and milt Paesels Jopendia or commission on the
day and sala no the yoga.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
So they will give her the drugs and she will
she can sell them as much as they want, as
much as she wants. She had to give the eighty
thousand pestles to her bus, and she will keep like
fifteen thousand pestles for herself a day, So it's like
three thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Three thousand dollars a day. That's a lot of money
versus one hundred and fifty dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
The tricky at Hope, were you using the drugs too?
Speaker 8 (17:31):
Consume as drugs and as a momentum see see the.
Speaker 9 (17:39):
Level she had to be active twenty four hour twenty
four seven because she didn't have someone to do the
job with her, so she had to have Well, she
was using drugs to keep awake all day every day.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
So are the drugs given to you as part of
what you sell or do you take them from what
you're supposed to sell?
Speaker 8 (18:03):
The consume.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
There's the theta so and sin patron.
Speaker 9 (18:35):
Okay, And they will give her to like six packages
seven packages of whatever drug they will give her to sell,
and she has to sell five for to give back
the money to her bus, and the other two she
will keep them.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
For her use.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh so it's like a tap yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
There you pa.
Speaker 8 (19:04):
So she will sell those two and consume part of
it and then for her to have money.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
I've never done Crystal math and patamine. What does it
feel like?
Speaker 8 (19:16):
What did it do to yousoo?
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Is must be.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
Different. She will feel relaxed, not to feel not to
get sleepy.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
How long does it last?
Speaker 9 (19:56):
Who?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
No?
Speaker 9 (20:07):
So it depends on how you consume the drug. It
can be in a pipe, it can be in a
light bulb, or it can be in a spoon. So
it depends on how you consume the drug. Is the
effects that she gets. But she's been using that for
a long time, so she has to do different types
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of consuming for her to have the different reactions.
Speaker 8 (20:32):
The only thing she was using it is to stay awake.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
Okay do you still use that now?
Speaker 8 (20:40):
M okay?
Speaker 1 (20:42):
How how often.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
There are no? The ideo?
Speaker 8 (20:51):
And she used to do it every day? Not not
anymore once or twice a week now those versus.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Al semona non from rspend.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
It depends on the money.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Does it?
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Does it help your emotions?
Speaker 8 (21:08):
Tell you?
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Is he as a controller?
Speaker 8 (21:14):
Yeah? It knows for her to control her emotions.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Because do you do you have trauma and anxiety from
the truma?
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Here is al.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Denis agon trauma or Ancia dad for.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
For me? For me?
Speaker 9 (21:34):
No, she likes it because she can not taking it
anytime she wants, so she could just do it when
it's not it's not a neat, it's.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
More of a reward.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Okay, we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be
right back. So can you talk about getting like what
was that like to actually be shot.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
In dis Gali interportant.
Speaker 9 (22:17):
At the moment, she she didn't feel anything, but like
minutes later she started feeling warm, her entire body.
Speaker 8 (22:26):
Ill.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
So what was Yeah, what was happening? You were just
you were standing in a group of people and you
were shot, and.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
The stars contend Astoria Jevas.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
As she still live, Ye ma comedian, I mean love
and sal Yeah, bundo centia san esperando. So she took
her it was he because Alaska.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
So she went to take her to the doctor. So
she told her mom that she was going to get
a doctor for her daughter.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
And wa.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Kink water. Yeah, okay, we can be here human be normal,
I know, okay.
Speaker 9 (23:33):
And as soon as she jumped in the car, and
she felt that something bad is what's going to happen.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
And as soon as she passed the.
Speaker 9 (23:43):
Convenience store by her house, she saw everybody that they
were waiting for her.
Speaker 8 (23:51):
It was directly to her like they were going to
kill her.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So the day that your boss took your daughter to
the doctors was the same day, no.
Speaker 9 (24:07):
Man. So she was going to deliver some drugs and
she was going to go back to get her daughter.
And as soon as she saw the store, she saw
the people waiting for her and iperando.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
The car.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
So they she saw the people and as soon as
they saw her, they start shooting at her car.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Why why.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Who is just down person? I love? Or I saw.
Speaker 8 (24:57):
They saw the cartel car, they listen, no.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Saving the lamang saving.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
It's hard for me to understand this a little bit,
but I'll ask her if I have a dubt.
Speaker 8 (25:19):
What she's saying is the.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Okay, So in Mexico we have different types of government
and what when the elections won. Here in Cabo, we
have a name one named pan p a n And
they bought the cartels. So they kind of like put
(25:45):
their new cartels like their own cartels in Cabo.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
They they bought the cartels. The government bought the cartels.
Speaker 9 (25:53):
That's how it works. Like, okay, the the government has
their own cartels.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
People would I be like like elon Musk buying the cartels. Yeah,
because he was loved by Trump right now more than
Elon Musk.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
It will be like Trump buying the cartels because now
he's going to be the president. Okay, you know that
he's buying the cartel like he brings.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So the government came in and said, the cartails are here,
no matter what, I want to control them.
Speaker 9 (26:20):
No, no, no, I am going to bring my own
people from the cartel, my own people cause okay, my people,
cause now I am ruling, I'm government. I I am
the government in Cabo. Now I'm bringing my cartel. So
the cartel from the other government and start killing their
employees cause they don't need them anymore.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
It's that it's that h heartless.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
It's like when when somebody buys a company, you have
to you deal with them or you fire them.
Speaker 8 (26:55):
So in a cartel you fire them new people.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
So if you were to buy like the Ford company,
you just are going to kill all the employees because
you want to change it to Chevy exactly.
Speaker 8 (27:05):
Yes, and says.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
I can remember lest I don't know while you seeing
Gena hung Eva and he does lospital me and this
ban he.
Speaker 9 (27:27):
So she got shot eight times, and she kept driving
trying to get to the hospital. But two blocks before
and she was covering blood and her car was covering blood.
And two blocks before she got it to the hospital,
she painted because.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
She was.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
Very injured.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Jo Sola man.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
No, that.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
Was on the y.
Speaker 9 (28:08):
Yeah, okay, so two blocks before she think and that's
when the police arrived to her and brought an ambulance
and they took her to the hospital.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
My god, you're so tough to drive that far after
how how long?
Speaker 2 (28:38):
How many minutes do you think were you driving after
you had been shots.
Speaker 9 (28:52):
With?
Speaker 3 (28:54):
Let's start us.
Speaker 9 (29:00):
And she was close to the hospital, but not close
because they blocked some streets, so she had to go around.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
M where is.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
Tutes And when this happened, you were with other people
who got killed.
Speaker 8 (29:24):
When thea again maso.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
In no simply Americans.
Speaker 9 (29:33):
And they will never let her get anyone in her
car because the car belonged to the cartel. So she
was the only one who drive and the only person
that got shot.
Speaker 5 (29:46):
Watch her.
Speaker 8 (29:46):
Nobody else got injured.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Oh okay, and you were it happened while you were
inside the car.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Die. We are not a meal.
Speaker 9 (30:01):
And she always have to be by herself, because if
she's in the car with somebody else and the police
gets her and her boss is not going to do
anything for the other person. They will save her, but
the other person is gone, they will put her and
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put her put the person in jail, or kill them
or whatever they don't respond for. So that's why she
wasn't allowed to bring anyone in the car.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
So because they're on the car, what was it like
when you saw them and knew that they were there
to kill you?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
The poisonment.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Mm hm.
Speaker 3 (30:53):
And another.
Speaker 8 (31:00):
She was she felt like.
Speaker 9 (31:03):
Her world just collapsed because she was told that they
were going to keep her alive because they needed her
and that they were protected going to protect her. So
when she.
Speaker 8 (31:18):
Noticed that they were there to kill her, her world
just collapsed.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
She felt, that's fucking insane. So how long were you
in the hospital when.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
Them to be in lospita and the lospita and.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
Won miss.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
A little more than a month, and what happened after.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
The elep became a puzzle.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
They thought that she was dead. So and this place is.
Speaker 3 (31:59):
Yeah was ol la paso mio as a popular open
he was quarto It is again movie A You're not
going to take it in coma.
Speaker 8 (32:17):
So the ambulance thought that everybody thought that she was dead.
Speaker 9 (32:21):
So they took her to La Pass to the hospital,
and they just put her in a room thinking that
she was dead. And then when the nurse came in
to check on the body, she opened her eyes and
that's when they connected her again to the.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
Machines and she was.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
And coma and tona man and.
Speaker 8 (32:44):
She was in a coma for a week after they
thought she was dead.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
No PSS can tell her an millimp and then if so?
Speaker 8 (33:05):
When she woke up, she.
Speaker 9 (33:06):
Saw all these people around her and she just started
punching everybody because memory she had in her head was
were there to.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Kill just the nurses and doctors?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (33:22):
She thought that whoever was he was going to kill her.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Are you are you a good fighter?
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Have you?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Are you trained in fighting?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Lo pedal?
Speaker 8 (33:39):
But she can hit him man. She has got into
fights with men.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
So she's.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
You have to so wait, So was that did you
quit after that? Did they?
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Porky familiar?
Speaker 9 (34:08):
So she talked to her boss and she told him
that she wanted to quit because she was already in
a lot of danger and she didn't want to risk
her daughters more than.
Speaker 8 (34:18):
She already did.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Lady here, and I said.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
So, he said that it was okay for him for
her to leave the the job.
Speaker 9 (34:42):
And she just wanted to know how much money she
owed him because of everything about the doctors and and
he said nothing, it's okay.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
We are.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
P because of the shooting.
Speaker 9 (35:03):
That's what.
Speaker 8 (35:03):
That's why it was easier for her to get out
of it.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
But who it wasn't your boss who wanted to kill you? Oh?
Did they want to kill your boss?
Speaker 3 (35:25):
To must be.
Speaker 9 (35:36):
I'm locking, and they always want to kill the higher
level of but all the employees are the one that
loses in the fight up.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
With the cartels because they can access you.
Speaker 8 (35:56):
So they want to kill her boss. And the boss
of her boss of her was of her pose.
Speaker 9 (36:01):
And the the lower rank are the ones who gets
shut before they get to their buses.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Well that's shiitty, that's just how it works. You just start.
Speaker 8 (36:19):
And as is coming.
Speaker 3 (36:28):
Casinoque nasal material para the ssposal.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
She didn't.
Speaker 9 (36:50):
She never met her boss, so she had someone to
deliver just the product. But she will talk to him
by phone, so whatever she needs from him. Yeah, he
wasn't here he lives in California?
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Does he live near me?
Speaker 8 (37:10):
Your neighbor?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
So I mean, are you okay now?
Speaker 3 (37:18):
See yuh.
Speaker 9 (37:22):
Yeah, she she got out of it, say it and
sounds like she's okay. She doesn't seem to be in
danger anymore.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, why why did you want to leave?
Speaker 8 (37:43):
She risked her family and her daughters a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Mm hmm maybe boys and appropriate thirteen no communia.
Speaker 9 (38:07):
So she she she just wanted because she never had
a life. She always had to be to take care
of the phone and pick up all the calls and
to deliver whatever they said, and so she needed a break.
And after the shooting she felt that was about time.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
I think that was a good idea. Yes, so how
is how is your life now?
Speaker 8 (38:34):
It comes to the.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Window comes? Yeah, I think he roll was Helene Lavendo.
Speaker 8 (38:53):
So now she tries to get a job.
Speaker 9 (38:55):
She had a job after that after the shooting and
doing events like putting all the tables and stuff.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
But now the company she used to work it's bankrupt,
so they close.
Speaker 9 (39:11):
And now what she does is whatever job somebody asked her,
didn't she will do it like cleaning a piece of
land or doing a wood looks wood looks little jobs
like that.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
So if you could, if you could give a message
to people if they are approached by cartel, what would
you tell them to do?
Speaker 8 (39:38):
And cy City Bubian No, see.
Speaker 9 (39:56):
She in contact with the cartels sometimes just to because
she has a client that needs something, so she will
put it in contact with the culture.
Speaker 8 (40:04):
But that's about it.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
We'll be right back after this break. Would you say
that Americans are safe coming to Cabo even if Americans
are buying drugs from cartel here?
Speaker 8 (40:22):
Americans need a Cabo. Yeah, they're safe.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
We need.
Speaker 9 (40:39):
Yeah, as long as you don't get in trouble and
just buying the drugs. They don't, They won't do anything
to them.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Are the drugs safe?
Speaker 2 (40:50):
I mean I know, I know drugs are not safe,
but they don't want to kill something else?
Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, Like how many do they want.
Speaker 5 (41:00):
The Nike where?
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Kayo?
Speaker 8 (41:04):
Yeah, she said that they're good.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
Okay, so there isn't a big plant.
Speaker 3 (41:11):
They've been oka.
Speaker 9 (41:14):
It also depends on your consumed Like if American gets
crazy and do more than they should, they're going.
Speaker 8 (41:20):
To die, but not because the cartail wants.
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Them to tye.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
So how does an American know what drugs to buy
and from who when they're American.
Speaker 3 (41:33):
Buenos mmm bos Americans.
Speaker 9 (41:39):
They only smoke weed. The Americans, I think Americans. The
only thing they want to come here.
Speaker 8 (41:45):
Is just to get weed.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Oh so if they're if if someone wants to sell
them crystal math.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
Can or portos here America, no lost you.
Speaker 9 (42:12):
Oh the people from there, the ones that they to transportation,
those are the ones who sell the drugs to the
Americans that they get here. Like if you're right to
Caw in the airport, you take a taxi and the
taxi is going to oh you want this?
Speaker 8 (42:28):
They are the main contact to get drugs in CA.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
Okay, So if the cartel asked you to come back
and work for them, would you.
Speaker 9 (42:43):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
No longer than not anymore?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
No? Did they try?
Speaker 3 (42:49):
Okay, See they chose America.
Speaker 9 (43:04):
So after the shooting, he moved to Mexico City and
was there for two months and then went to Getredo and.
Speaker 8 (43:11):
Stayed there for.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
A Yeah, completely wasn't.
Speaker 8 (43:21):
So she left the year and during that year.
Speaker 9 (43:24):
They asked her to come back and she said no, no,
And now that she's back, they've been asking her to
come back, but she keeps saying no.
Speaker 5 (43:32):
Is he.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Not is it hard to say now?
Speaker 3 (43:39):
Is no the psar you are no cares.
Speaker 8 (43:50):
It's not hard to say no. And they can make her.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Respect they respect that part.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Wow yeah, okay, m hmm. So what's life like now? What?
What what do you do now? Are you with your
children and family and.
Speaker 8 (44:11):
Pass familia see to familiar Stati.
Speaker 3 (44:29):
S Ham.
Speaker 9 (44:37):
Her family was upset with her about she joining the cartel,
but they tried to help as much as they can
because we're in Mexican and.
Speaker 8 (44:47):
They are happy now that she's not there anymore.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
M hm Are you happy now?
Speaker 9 (44:54):
It is.
Speaker 8 (44:58):
Yeah, because she has her own life.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
Yeah, who raano no poor Purposilomi.
Speaker 9 (45:11):
So I asked her if she makes the money and
that she said that not that much because she's being
always good on finding jobs and take care of her
and her family.
Speaker 8 (45:27):
She's always looking for a way to make money.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
Oh yeah, but not easy money.
Speaker 2 (45:33):
Please do you ever worry about your children joining the cartel?
For them asking her them.
Speaker 8 (45:43):
To seek us.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
The no no salin and delia suela ala casa or.
Speaker 8 (45:59):
So she talks to them, try.
Speaker 9 (46:02):
To explain a little bit, and but they don't go
out that much, so they just go to school. To
the playground and that's it.
Speaker 3 (46:12):
Boys it boys.
Speaker 9 (46:20):
Want so people around her daughters, they told their daughters
about what she was doing, and they start asking her
questions and she had to start to explain to them
little by little, but yeah, she told them the truth.
Speaker 1 (46:40):
How long are you going to keep doing the drugs?
Speaker 8 (46:50):
She doesn't know?
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Do you want to stop?
Speaker 9 (46:55):
Where's so she stopped consuming drugs, and then when she
lost her job, she got depressed and she started using
(47:17):
them again. But she got sad because she was able
to leave them on her own. And now she's back.
So if she wants, she will quit any time until
she wants.
Speaker 2 (47:36):
There are other things the drugs, is it? Do you
feel like you can access good health care here?
Speaker 1 (47:46):
And like therapy?
Speaker 8 (47:47):
And as uh.
Speaker 9 (47:56):
Does she can't do it on her own. She has
a good conviction. Whenever she wants she will stop consuming.
Speaker 3 (48:07):
But she doesn't see.
Speaker 1 (48:11):
I can understand.
Speaker 8 (48:13):
It's great joy right now.
Speaker 3 (48:16):
It's to is to lou Felisa, boys not really boys
says until Mary this you came energy.
Speaker 8 (48:29):
She consumed to have energy.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
So mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (48:33):
It's not that it makes her happy or sad or anything.
It's just for her to have energy, But what about.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
Coffee in you.
Speaker 3 (48:45):
See confessing.
Speaker 8 (48:51):
She also smokes cigarette. So she takes a nap okay
red into the woods and get wood for So it's
a hard job mhmm for her to sell the the woodlogs.
Speaker 1 (49:12):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 8 (49:14):
Okay, she needs energy more than a coffee.
Speaker 1 (49:19):
So what do you want to do in the future?
What do you want to do for life and with
your kids?
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Now? Alacking, I want you.
Speaker 8 (49:35):
She wants to make a lot of money to help people.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
She likes to help people doing what.
Speaker 8 (49:42):
And killers They will.
Speaker 9 (49:43):
Tell you that.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
Unless yours, but I can blow ask him the communicating
that list.
Speaker 9 (49:57):
And when she has money, she likes to help her
capt people like especially women, So she likes to have
a lot of money too.
Speaker 8 (50:05):
And when she has a lot of money, she helps
a lot of disabled women.
Speaker 3 (50:15):
Boys every time is.
Speaker 9 (50:22):
She's not she needs a job and she's looking for
a job to make more money so she can help more.
Speaker 8 (50:28):
And she's not happy about not finding a job like that.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
H What is it about helping disabled women that makes
you happy?
Speaker 8 (50:40):
Case? Look at the guando does.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Pork. I'm joy enjoy Linda.
Speaker 9 (51:00):
Love. She she doesn't like violence and injustice and she
feels that right now, there's a lot of violence for women,
so she doesn't like it.
Speaker 8 (51:20):
So that's why she likes to help with that.
Speaker 1 (51:23):
Did you have to be violent when you were working
in the cartel.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
Personal?
Speaker 8 (51:36):
No, she was never violent.
Speaker 9 (51:38):
She was very it was very easy. She was humble
and if somebody asked for a favor, she will help.
Speaker 1 (51:46):
That's so wild that there's there's good. It feels like
there's good in it, but also there's they will kill
you in a second.
Speaker 8 (51:58):
Different is.
Speaker 5 (52:08):
What's program.
Speaker 8 (52:13):
It's an experience that you have to live once in
a lifetime.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Can is there?
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Can you tell people who don't understand the cartel? Can
you give them a message about.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
What we hear is not real? Like the truth behind it?
Speaker 9 (52:35):
Can can stand my local.
Speaker 3 (52:55):
You know?
Speaker 9 (52:58):
So it's not as bad as it looks, but only
if you do the things right and not to try
to mess with the cartail Like if you do right
with them, they will do right with you, but if
you mess with them, they will kill you. Do you.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
At the end of the day, do you think the
cartels are are good for Mexico or bad?
Speaker 9 (53:23):
And Buenosicolus was let me say so and how things
are right now. She doesn't know if they are.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Good or not because there are changes with the government.
Speaker 9 (53:42):
Or the government has changed a lot, and they don't
want to make deals with the cartils anymore.
Speaker 8 (53:55):
So it's been harder.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
So if the government was making more deals, you would
be more in favor of the cartels than they would
be helpful.
Speaker 3 (54:15):
Mmm. Boys, it's good.
Speaker 8 (54:20):
Yeah, the same government as the cartil.
Speaker 3 (54:24):
Someday.
Speaker 8 (54:27):
Yeah, all the cartoil people are.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
The government is the cartel.
Speaker 3 (54:35):
Person.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
What would Mexico be like without the cartel? No? Was the.
Speaker 3 (54:55):
Mm hmm where it's gay one more. That's when I'm
mafia And she doesn't know.
Speaker 8 (55:02):
She doesn't. She can't see Mexico without cartel because.
Speaker 9 (55:08):
Mafias without government, they don't have a drugs and without
no drugs, no government.
Speaker 3 (55:19):
So it's.
Speaker 8 (55:21):
They're together. They come together.
Speaker 3 (55:23):
Wow.
Speaker 9 (55:24):
The government money comes from the cartel, and the cartel
makes money because the government opens the door for them.
Speaker 8 (55:31):
So it's comes together.
Speaker 3 (55:34):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Does the cartel make fun of American gangs?
Speaker 1 (55:40):
Do they think they're whimps?
Speaker 9 (55:42):
It Los cartels a Mexico lass los americanas Americas?
Speaker 1 (55:51):
No, really, I've heard before that they.
Speaker 9 (55:56):
Bortland Los a mexicanus Los the las bandos getting gus whose.
Speaker 8 (56:07):
No, she haven't heard that?
Speaker 1 (56:11):
Oh how funny. Yeah, I mean maybe it's just that
the cartel.
Speaker 2 (56:16):
Maybe no, I've known other Mexican cartel who it's just
it's such a strong family and it's so much bigger,
and there they are so much more. It's so easy
for them to kill and make decisions when in gangs
it's harder to do.
Speaker 9 (56:35):
In Los Cartasive, tom espart and last Bandias the America
they see Los carts a Mexico and.
Speaker 8 (56:48):
Estells no no lost.
Speaker 3 (56:54):
And it's no different and we different. Where's the yellow
and pedal a yeah, yes, ye yes, yeah, okay hmm.
Speaker 9 (57:15):
She thinks that it works different in America than in
Mexico because in America they respect a little more they're workers,
and here is like, no kill her, kill her.
Speaker 8 (57:29):
So maybe that's why we have we're not whimps.
Speaker 3 (57:37):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Okay, did you just crack your neck? Does feel good? Neck?
How is your How is your physical health? After being
shot eight times?
Speaker 8 (58:03):
She has her her shoulder is not in the right place.
Speaker 3 (58:07):
But that's the only thing she has, honest. See, and
the boys.
Speaker 8 (58:15):
In the place, so in the winter, the cold, she
had to wood. Gunshots in her shoulders.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Oh, yeah, I went through You have holes in your body.
Speaker 3 (58:39):
Maybe I don't know, Alyoka in the lasa.
Speaker 1 (58:43):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (58:43):
So she she's pointing to parts of her head that
were shot and her neck and her shoulder, one.
Speaker 9 (58:52):
In her lungs, one, two in her shoulders, one went
through her neck and went through.
Speaker 8 (59:01):
The other cheek, one in the next to her eye.
Speaker 1 (59:07):
Wow. Do you feel lucky to be alive?
Speaker 8 (59:11):
A lot? Yeah, yeah, she really do.
Speaker 1 (59:19):
Mm hmmm, yeah I feel I feel you're lucky.
Speaker 8 (59:24):
Yeah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (59:30):
Okay, what do you hope happens next in life? For
the future of your family, your kids? Mexico and we.
Speaker 9 (59:40):
Listen to the experiences par familiar Para Mexico.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
With your pens? Okay, bombos? Why taking the janus? I'm
telling Madam, I'll tell you.
Speaker 9 (01:00:10):
She has no hope that much right now because she
feels that there's a lot of violence in this world
and nobody is humble, nobody takes care of anybody. And
she's a little scared about.
Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
That Epius but Anonymous the kid, and she thinks.
Speaker 9 (01:00:35):
That that's why this here in Mexico and everywhere. That's
the problem, that violence and people not caring.
Speaker 8 (01:00:45):
It's not good.
Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
It is better, Okay.
Speaker 8 (01:00:56):
She wants her to get educated and not to be
in the same path that she took.
Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
Where do you want them to be?
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Mm? Person guess the control and.
Speaker 8 (01:01:24):
One wants to be a chef and the other one
wants to be in passion. She does a lot of
She says that her daughter looks.
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Like you.
Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
And she's gonna be in fashion.
Speaker 8 (01:01:40):
Okay, who is that?
Speaker 9 (01:01:41):
She likes to make clothes and cut her t shirts
and stuff to make them better.
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Does she sell them?
Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
Person?
Speaker 8 (01:01:52):
When you keep she makes for her dolls?
Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
She could sell them. Do you have do you have Etsy?
Do you have Etsy? The website in Mexico where you
can make things and you put them online and sell them.
Speaker 8 (01:02:08):
Are internet ilas and we have been that will be nice?
Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
She's okay, I mean, well, I will never tell anyone
who you are or what you look like. But maybe
we can somehow help promote her her clothing company. We'll
find a way.
Speaker 8 (01:02:41):
We'll look for.
Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (01:02:44):
Okay, this has been intentionally disturbing with doctor Leslie. I
hope you had a moment to listen and go behind
the headlines to see the reality of the cartel in
Mexico and how it affects people in it and people
out of it. And I want to say thank you
so much for doing this. I feel very lucky to
have the opportunity to meet you and that you're alive.
Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
But you need to stop doing drugs within two years,
two years years.
Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Thank you for listening and we'll see you next time.
Intentionally Disturbing is a podcast from me, Doctor Leslie. It's
distributed by iHeart Media. Liam Billingham is the senior producer.
Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
And he also edits the show and puts up with
my ship.
Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
Katie Cobbs does the social media and she attempts to
keep me in my lane, not always successful. The executive
producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for Workhouse Media,
who have told me not to text them twenty four
to seven, but you know.
Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
What, I'm still the boss. Thanks again for listening.
Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
We'll see you next week for more Intentionally Disturbing,
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