August 14, 2025 • 43 mins
This week Leslie talks to Uldouz Wallace, who was the victim of the infamous 2014 icloud hack. Private photos of her were leaked and spread all over the internet. It nearly ruined her life. But she survived. Uldouz and Leslie talk about the hack, how it affected her, and how she's working now, via legislation, to prevent it from ever happening to anyone again.
Hosted by Leslie Dobson. Produced by Liam Billingham. Executive producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for Workhouse Media. The views expressed in this podcast episode are solely those of the guest speaker and do not reflect the views of the host or the production company.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
My name is doctor Leslie, and this is intentionally disturbing.
My guest today is Udos Wallace. In twenty fourteen, she
was an up and coming actress in Hollywood. She created
a show under the guidance of John Singleton, a famed
Hollywood director, but then her life was put on hold.
An ex boyfriend, in a desperate attempt to force her
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to get back together, texted her at private images and
videos that they took when they were in a consensual relationship.
Now here's where it gets interesting. Udos's iCloud was being
monitored by a hacker. Her videos and photos, along with
over one hundred actresses, were released and spread like wildfire
(00:53):
all over the Internet. Now referred to as the twenty
fourteen iCloud hack. Didn't nearly ruined Udos's life, but she
has recovered. She's still an actress, model, comedian, but also
leading the charge in Washington.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
D C.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
And all over the world to stop this from happening
again via the Protect Act and her nonprofit foundation. Raw
like you told your story, Yeah, but I feel like
you told it very almost like clinically, like you didn't
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and you didn't say what.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It like, what it did to you. Yeah, I don't
even remember.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I feel like I did so many podcasts and it
just became like like a mona what is it called
mono chronic monochrome, chromic.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Mono traumatic.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, but you know, you're just saying the same thing,
so it becomes like a robot almost, like yeah, because.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Everybody's like, so what happened?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Oh my god, this happened, you know, yeah, and then
and then this and then that, and you try to
remember to get everything in there, and then it just
became like a story now. Like you know, the first
time I said it in a couple of first times,
it was like really hard for me. But then after
a while, it's like, okay, let's just get to it,
(02:17):
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So Protect Acts, Yeah, I mean, fucking amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Thank you, fucking amazing. Like I don't even know how to.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Register to vote, really, and you went all the way
up to passing the Protect Act.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I didn't know what I was doing at first, but
I was like, I'm going to try to change the law,
and then how.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Do you do it?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Like what steps did you take? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
So basically what happened was I shared my story. It
took me eight years to share my story, and I
was like, you know what, I'm going to change the law,
but I need to share my story. Nobody's doing anything
about it. I don't know how I'm going to do it,
but I'm going to figure it out. Because I shared
my story. After eight years, I realized that, Okay, you know,
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there's no laws, nobody's doing anything.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Why is nobody doing anything? This is crazy?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And they were like revenge porn laws, but they were
so weak. But there's nothing to hold you know, online platforms,
especially not adult sites accountable. Right, So I shared my story.
And then when I shared my story, this rep from
Massachusetts reached out and another senator and they're like, hey,
we want to help you, you know, create a sample bill.
(03:28):
Can we help you with that, and let's do it together.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So I'm like okay.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
So I basically said, oh, it needs to have this,
it needs to have that, blah blah blah. And he
helped me create a sample bill, and then I started
working with you know, some nonprofits. I sent it to
one of the nonprofits, and then the nonprofit sent it
to Senator Mike Lee, and then Mike Lee basically you know,
he's like an expert and all that kind of stuff.
(03:52):
So he introduced the Protect Act. Problem with the porn
sites and all of these sites is that they already
had the technology to prevent this from the beginning, but
they were just making so much money, yeah, that they
didn't want to implement it. Like I reached that to
porn side after seven years of getting reposted like over
(04:12):
and over and over and over, right every single day,
and they had something called the fingerprint stamp technology, and
only because I got referred by an ex porn star
is why they implemented it for me. But all of
those years they didn't want to do anything.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So it's recirculating, yeah, of course. And then now on
top of that, they're doing deep fakes too, so like
it it's just not stop.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, I mean, it's like ridiculous. It's almost like you
kind of have to share your story because otherwise they're
this false narrative of you looking like a full blown
porn star will be out there, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Well, I mean the minute, well we met on social
media first, but the minute like I started following your
and I was listening to your podcasts, I thought about
your upbringing and how incredibly difficult I know, like I
know a lot of actresses were involved. Yeah, but not
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Iranian actresses, not women who where the culture was just
so unaccepting of female sexuality already, and I immediately just
started thinking.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
What the fuck did the studio because it did.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
A lot more to you, I imagine then you know,
a wait, la girl.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, I mean it obviously did a lot of damage,
but not only because I was Iranian and I grew
up in Sweden, and you know, I was new to
the US, like I'm not even from here, like you know,
or I wasn't from here. I'm a US citizen now,
but like at that time, I was still really new
to America. You know, I was doing the whole like
(05:57):
this is the American dream, and I was following that,
and you know, the it seemed like I had endless
possibilities because I came from I ran right, So I
was five and I moved to Sweden. Then from Sweden,
I moved to the US by myself, went to San
Diego State University.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I got my master's degree in marketing.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Like I've done all of the right things in my life, right,
and then, you know, growing up in Sweden, they told
me like, oh, you're not like blonde or blue eye
you're not not going to be able to be a model,
you're not going to be able to be an actress,
or you know, you're not considered pretty, blah blah blah.
You know, you're not tall, you're not skinny, all of
these stereotypes that they were like, you're never going to
(06:43):
make it. Basically, growing up, everybody would tell me go
back to your own country. You know, you're a blackhead.
You're like, that's like basically saying the N word to you,
you know, and then you're either Swedish or you're non Swedish.
So everybody that was in Sweden, we will all hang
out together. So all the immigrants would hang out with
each other, and then the Swedish people would hang out
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with each other. And I had only one Swedish friend
the whole time growing up and shout out to her.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I just saw her again. I was in Sweden.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I love her, but like she basically they gave her
an ultimatum and was like you're either gonna be with
us or you're gonna be with her.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Like who do you choose?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And she was like, well, she's my real friend, she
has my back, so she chose me.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You know, like school age, yeah, like sixteen, like we
were like sixteen year old kids and like she's a
rock star.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, and we're still friends today and she like she
she rocked with me. But then they like kind of
ostracized her from all the other Swedish people growing up,
so she was like the only Swedish person with all
the immigrants. But like I grew up with all of that, right,
So by like seventeen eighteen, after hearing that since five,
(07:59):
like this is not your country. You know, your hair
is black, The devil's in your hair, the devil's in
your eyes because it's not blue, you know, or it's
not blonde.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know. Holy shit, I did not know.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, it was horrible, Like it was just all of
these really bad experiences with racism, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I was just like, wow, this is crazy, Like I
got to get out of here.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Yeah, and coming to the US and they're like, oh
my god, you're pretty and you're beautiful and you should
try modey, you should try acting. And I'm like, wow,
this is so cool, Like this are my people, like finally,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, and you moved alone to see here you go.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, just trying to just trying to follow the dream
of you know, becoming something great, especially to prove it
to my mom, you know, and like show her like, look,
I'm like this amazing, you know, a list movie star.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I have all this education, successful, like you know, and
when proud.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, I just wanted to make her proud, you know.
And I think a lot of Persian people they can
understand that, and like not just Persian people, but like everybody,
they want their parents to be proud, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And I really wanted.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Like that approval from her was like the ultimate like
diamond at the top of a mountain, Like I just
wanted her approval. And when I found out about the
leak and it actually happened, that's when it.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Just felt like the dream was gone.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Like the dream I've been making her proud was just
out the window.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
And I was trying everything to just.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Hide it so that she wouldn't find out. And it
just didn't even take that long because.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
She was in Sweden. She was in Sweden.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, so a fan send it to her and they
basically was like, look at your daughter. You know, this
is what she's doing in America. She's doing horn you know,
oh fuck it. Yeah, And he was Persian too, and
he was like some crazy fan that just found her,
like you know, so she calls me and she's like,
(10:11):
oh my god, this guy's saying this is it true?
What's going on? And like she didn't understand. And then
I got so upset and angry because it's like my
whole life I worked so hard and then now like
you've been diminished to this like tiny like thing that
you wouldn't even ever consider to do, and not.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Because diminished, but also like the valued your integrity was taken.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, Like, can we go back to when you found out.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That the the photos and the videos were leaked and
kind of just like in that moment, like where were
you with how did you find out?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
How did it feel? Kind of like the how fucking traumatic? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
So when the actual leak happened, Oh my god, it
was awful because I thought like I was safe because
I actually didn't take any real bad pictures, Like the
pictures that I sent off was like I would cover
it up and make sure it would have been similar
to like a bikini modeling shoot.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Or something, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
So when the actual leak happened is when I realized like,
oh my god, these are the pictures and the video
that my ex took years ago and send them to
the iCloud, right, I message, yeah, and it gets stored
in the iCloud. So basically I realized, those are the
pictures in the video that he threatened me with that
(11:41):
he's gonna leak and he didn't leak on I already
knew that at that point because I knew him.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So I was like, oh, I just called his bluff.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
He didn't do it, and he threatened it because he
wanted to keep threated together.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, because I was ignoring him for like six months
and he was getting really desperate, you know. So you
know how guys are, like they're like, oh they try anything, Like, oh,
he's desperately, He's not gonna do anything, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So I kind of call his bluff.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
I already knew it, and he didn't do it, thank god.
But then like, who would have known that this psychopath
is basically stalking the eye message.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And what the hell? Like nobody even knew what the
iCloud was at that time.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Like I definitely looked up his wife, who's a fucking psychologist,
and I can't. I'm like crazy, it's a shame I
feel in my profession, Like how how.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Did she take that guy back after violating all of
these women and they have two small children.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And she's got this, like what a website Like yeah,
I'm just this lovely therapist.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I'll work with you on your trauma.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah yeah, no thanks. I wonder if that's how they met.
Like it's just so so weird, like why are you
taking this guy back knowing he's a full blown predator
and he's destroying people's life, Like, yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Be still doing something and will be you know.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And we're not like just predator and fell in. I
mean this is like sexual misconduct. Yeah, like he he
wanted private nude videos and photos of women and he's
watching them.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
And there was an underage girl in there too, so
he's definitely been doing.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
That and now he's got kids.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And then it's not even that he was basically stalking
me and all these other women over a two year span,
so he was watching everything. He was monitoring text messages,
you know, pictures, videos, calls, like whatever he could access.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
He was watching all of us.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
It's not just like, oh, this is a predator, Yeah,
this is like someone that's extremely crazy, Like how is
this person watching, and how does he even have time
with two little kids? Like how is he even contributing
as a husband or a father and then engaging and
all that, Like, how do you even find time with that?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I just would personally like to invite him and his
wife onto the podcast.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Just if they'd like to talk, because I have some questions.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So, yeah, anyone's listening from Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, apparently they're like in a Mormon town. So, oh god,
I don't know, that's like American thing.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I live near there in the Amish Country. Oh, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
That's like something American that I didn't grow up with.
But I mean it's supposed to be people who have values. Yeah,
so many values that they don't use media. They they
have days off during the week where they have the
Sabbath and all this. But no, he's spending his time hacking, yeah,
trying to find nudes of people and then publish them.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, so did you get alerted or how? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
So I was actually at a shoot I think it
was BuzzFeed or something at that time, and I got
like all of these calls and text messages and one
of my friends was like, oh my god, have you
seen this? I'm so sorry. And it was a screenshot
or like a picture of the like the a snapshot
(15:12):
of the video that got le So I went and
I excused myself from the shoot and I was just
like so shocked, like I my heart just sank and
I just I just like wanted to just lay down
on the ground and just cry, you know. So I
literally went home and I that's what I did. I
just collapsed and I just cried and I cried and
(15:34):
I locked myself in. It was like dark everywhere, like
it just I was so depressed and just crying. Just
felt like all my dreams were out the window everything,
like I and then you don't even understand what's going on,
like there was nobody there to explain anything. It wasn't
a normal thing at the time. Plus I was like
new to fame, like I didn't that was my first
(15:56):
real taste of fame.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You know, are going to take a quick break and
we'll be right back.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
And culturally again, like culturally and then seeing the girl
that's not even American, like yeah, you know, like Pershing
grew up in Sweden.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Like oh my god, up here, like live in the
American dream, how cool, like you know, and everything I've
done has been ten times.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Harder for me.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
So even me being here has been like a million
steps than someone that's just born here and they're just
you know, everything has been like hard from the beginning,
like and through all of those struggles and following all
the steps, doing all of the right things, getting the degree,
doing all the right jobs, and you know, following all
(16:46):
the directions of everybody, your mother, you're you know, the director,
the like whatever, you know, the actors, the teachers, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
And still like how is this possible? Right?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
And like I said, my biggest thing was to have
my mom, you know, look at me like, oh.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
My god, my daughter. She's like this.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Huge, aless movie star or something like she's gonna be
so big she can't not just be proud of me,
Like she has to be proud of me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
That was the ultimate thing.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Right, So you're just on the floor, sobbing alone, diminished,
feel like destroyed, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And thinking about how is my family gonna.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Yeah, that was my biggest thing, is like I did
not want my mom finding out. And then when my
mom found out, that was just it was all done
for me, then it was over Like that was like
there's no coming back from this. You know, everything was
stolen digitally raped, Yeah, basically. And the worst part about
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it is, no matter how much you try to explain yourself,
especially at that time, nobody wanted to believe.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You started the American Dream. Yeah, and then it just
Hollywood kicked you in the ass. It turned into American Nightmare,
the American horror story.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, yeah, and then I think you said people were
telling you to just straight up kill yourself. Oh yeah,
Like I don't think we all understand, like the cyberbullying.
They don't understand how nasty it gets. Like for me,
my children got threats. It's crazy people don't understand that
I've posted on my Instagram in the stories because then
(18:34):
nobody will because I can't get in trouble for doing it.
In the stories, I've posted the literal threats and people
are fucking.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Horrified, like they don't even know humans exist like this.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, it's crazy, right, Like why why are people allowed
to dish out all of these, like, you know, comments
h harass you on social media? Why is there no
laws against that?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Anyways?
Speaker 4 (18:57):
So, yeah, my American Dream turned quick clean into American
nightmare and the worst if I go on dates, that's
all that the guy would bring up would be that
and how he wants basically sex for you because he
thinks that you're easy or something now. And I was like,
fuck off, Like I don't want to deal with this,
so I would stop going on dates.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
The guys.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I will be there like, you have to get this
taken down. I can't have you come in and see
my mom for Thanksgiving, you know if you have this.
So I will be up all night like calling people
trying to take it down myself.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You know. Every big job.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
That I would have, I would like the agents, the
whatever it was, they were like, oh, you have to
get the stuff taken down before they look. If you don't,
then you're not going to get the job, you know.
So then I will be up all night trying to
do that again.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
It was.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
It was horrible, like I would my whole time got
so consumed by trying to take this stuff down. Was
probably the day after the league happened, I got a
text message from this guy that's a known actor, you know,
and he was also like a known viner, you know.
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He reached out to me and he was like, oh
my god, how are you? And I'm thinking, oh, he cares,
you know, he's trying to check in on me, Like
oh my god, yeah this I feel bad. You know
I could have been better. And he's like, oh, I
thought you would have killed yourself by now. You should
definitely like try to do that.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know, a known actor told you should kill yourself.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yeah, he's like, I thought you would have killed yourself
by now, Like haven't.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
You done it? Like give me his information, I'll kill him. Yeah,
Like and it's like I got so upset. And it
was he joking. No, he was not.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
He was like that whole group I'm telling you, they
were trying to encourage me to kill myself. They would
put me in group chats and talk shit about me.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Is this like so that you wentn't out them? No,
it's just at that time, this was what happened.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
So Vine was like it was good, but then Instagram
took off right and then Vine shut down. So when
they came over to Instagram, I had more followers than them,
so that was the biggest threat, Like, oh my god,
she has actual acting credits and all of these people they.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Wanted to be doing acting.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
You know, they wanted to be famous, they wanted to
do all of those things right and social media like
we're Instagram and all that. So they looked at me like, oh,
she's been discovered by John Singleton, she has actual like
acting credits and print modeling experience, like all the stuff
that they wanted.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I already had that.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
So they just wanted a way to push me out
of the way because in their minds they're like, oh,
there can only be one or two people, and it
has to be us as a group. It can't be
like somebody that doesn't want to conform.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
To all of our rules. What do you do with
us now?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, because you're hot, gorgeous, funny, talented. Am I still
got it? My face, get my gobble? But like, how
do you just say? Fuck you all? I'm gonna be
my hot, gorgeous, funny self. Yeah, And so that's whatever.
(22:21):
I'm going to show off my body and the way
I want, not the way people are painting the picture.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, how are you finding the empowerment?
Speaker 4 (22:30):
That's what I realized, Like that's the greatest point out
of all of these discoveries, is what I realized with
this cause is that you're powerful alone. You don't need anybody.
People make it seem like you need this, you need that.
You don't need anybody. If anybody wants to do something
to change other people's lives or change their lives or
(22:53):
whatever you want to do, all you need is yourself
because you alone are very powerful, like the power on right.
So that's my ultimate like discovery. I was like, wait
a minute, I didn't even need all these people. They
just came along. All they did was causing all these
distractions and unnecessary drama and you know, all of these
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things that I didn't even need, and I was doing
fine by myself. I didn't need all these other things,
you know. So that's one of the discoveries. And then
like another thing is basically that anything like you put
your mind into, you can you can accomplish it, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
So it's you could.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
You could do anything that you want. All you have
to do is just make up your mind, like I
want to do this, and you.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Could do it.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
So with the cause and everything, it's still going, it's
all falling into place. I'm still going at it, but
now this time around, I'm not dealing with people like
you know, if you want to be cool.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You're cool, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I don't need anybody. I don't need anybody to, you know,
come in and try to pretend or be a friend
or you know, pretend like they're gonna help with the
cause you know, you either do it because you want
to do it or you don't.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Like it's just that simple, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I think it's such a huge message for young girls too. Yeah,
like we can say it, we hold you. Oh, I'm
about to ask one.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
You have to say it? Yeah, tell me.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
No, I refuse my Hollywood age.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
But I feel like when when I turned forty, like
I finally granted it was a year ago, but I've
finally understood.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Like it clicks. Yeah, I've always tried to do things
on my own.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I've always fought like the Black Sheep. Yeah, but it
finally clicked that I was like I should, could, would,
can and suck everyone because I really don't give two
ships when people think about me exactly, And I like,
I don't know how to get this across like my
twenty year old clients. Yeah, I don't know how to
explain that nuance of growth other than you just go
(25:14):
through your experiences in life and it kind of falls
into place.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, and I think that that even if anybody young
is listening right now, Like I mean, I had literally
been called everything in the book, like everything like crazy,
batshit crazy stuff. I've been called like I've been called
a porn star, a terrorist, a sand edword like uh
you know, racis, Like I mean, you name it, Like.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I get called a cunt, Like that's probably the most.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I mean, the whore and the comment like all of
the sloth like that.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
That stuff was like back in the day. Like I'm like, okay,
I kind of potatoes. Now now you're a terrorists.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, like now spy you know, oh, I mean when
you do speak like eight thousand languages.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Like you know, what's so funny about this? I'm like
now that people tell me, they're.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Like, oh, such and such accuse you of being this,
or like, oh did you see this comment? They're talking
smack and they're saying this, and I'm like, oh, that's
a new one.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
They added a new one to my resume.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Okay, now it's just like okay, just added to my resume.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
It's that internal strength that we have to carry, that
internal reminder of our value. Yeah, and it is hard
to combat the negativity and the just everyone telling you
you can't do it. Yeah, like to carry that threat
of yeah I fucking can.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
How do you get to love yourself and know you're
worth And I think what I came to the realization
when I was like, I don't need anyone, fuck everyone.
You know, you're going around trying to look for everything,
and everything that you really need is inside you. You
don't even need all of these people. They're just basically
just there too. I think they were just there to
(26:59):
make me really lies my own power in the end,
you know, And I love that.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah. It's just there to make you realize your own power. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And then another thing that I realized too was somebody
said this, and I was like, oh my god, that's
so true.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And somebody said that.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Just because you're thirsty doesn't mean you should drink poison, right,
And like so many of us were like, Oh, I
want to talk to someone, We call someone, we have
that friend that's not really a friend that's just been
a hater the whole time, or you know the co worker.
You know, you're just trying to be cool with people.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
No, like stay thirsty, yeah, stay thirsty. Yeah, that's the message.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, like I can't even like if fathom that, can
you say more?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah, so if it feels like you don't have a country,
But it's because first of all, I was Iranian, right,
So then when I was five, I moved to Sweden.
Then growing up in Sweden, oh my god, it was
like so racist growing up there. It was the worst. So,
like I knew early on that I had to move
away from Sweden because there was just it was just
(28:15):
so racist and there was no way that I was
going to be able to be anything there, you know,
and or even like have a happy life kind of thing,
because it was really dark, depressing, is cold. And then
at seventeen eighteen, I also went back to Iran because
I wanted to see the country that I was from, right,
(28:36):
Everybody told me go back to your own country, Like okay,
So I went back to Iran at seventeen eighteen. And
then when I was walking around there, people in Iran
was talking shit about me.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
They're like, oh, look at her, she's European. Let's charge
her double, you know, just saying stuff like that was
just funny. They thought I was a tourist.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
They thought it was the European maybe because I was
in Sweden, I was so pale, you know, because I
would never see the sun, so like it shows when
you go right, And so when I was there, I
didn't feel like I belonged there either. And then then
I come here, and then I felt like I kind
of belonged here, right, because everybody's like, oh, you should
(29:20):
try Molley. You're pretty, you know, you can be anything
you want. Wow, this is so amazing, Like and then
one of.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
The most this happens, horrifying.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, it's like and then the only solution was to
be isolated because anywhere I will go, people will talk
about me. They would look at me one and then
two getting the approval from people that were just determined
to hate me anyways, you know, and it was just
what the hell is wrong with people?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You know, I'm sorry, it's time for commercial So now, like,
what's your country? My country is the US. This is
the best country in the world out of all the places.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
And I know, this is like as bad as the
hack was. I mean, what country can you go from,
you know, becoming a citizen but then being hacked right
and leaked and looking like a porn start to the
whole world and then decide that you want to change
the law and being able to do that. This is
(30:27):
the only country that I feel like you can really
be anything that you want to be, no matter what
the circumstances is. All you have to do is just
be real, like tell your story and share everything. And
I think that that is another message for anyone else,
is to just take back your power by sharing your story.
(30:48):
That's huge because as long as you let the predators
or perpetrators tell their version of you, is that's what
people are going to, you know, have the perception of
So you need.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
To be real.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I tell people all the time when they come in
for therapy and they are like, what the hell is therapy?
This is so many misconceptions, Like, you know, I'm a
little different. My goal is that if you can get
to a place where you lay out all your shit
on the table for everyone to pick through and you
don't care, then we've succeeded.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, I love that. The transparency. Yeah, you get to
their enpowerment.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
You got to be real, because if you're not real,
then everybody else can tell your story. Yeah, you know,
you either tell your own story or you have other
people tell your story, and that's how you got to
tell your story.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
It's the only way. Yeah, right. Can you tell me
about the Protect Act and Foundation Raw. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
So basically the Protect Act, what it does is that
it verifies aging consent of everyone depicted and the content
in adult sites. And that also if god forbid, somebody
gets posted non consensually, then they have to swiftly take
it down within a very short time frame or a
(32:09):
timely time frame, or else they will get heavily fined.
And then also implement the fingerprints STEM technology, which basically
scans a video or an image ahead of time and
blocks it from further re uploading. So it would basically
block re uploads, block potential non consensual content to get
(32:32):
uploaded in the first place. And this is what really
is needed because right now everybody can upload whatever they
want with just an email address, which is just outrageous,
right right.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
So basically that's to protect that.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Foundation Raw is a nonprofit that I started, and I
started this nonprofit because I wish I had this when
I went through this, right, So what Foundation Raw does
that is that we take down anything that's being posted
non consensually for free, and then it offers legal advice.
(33:08):
You can get talk to lawyers through Foundation Wrang, there's
a therapy. There's all kinds of resources, like it will
tell you not just laws in the US and state wise,
but also laws internationally. So even if you're international, you
can still reach out to Foundation Wrong. We can take
(33:29):
the stuff down for you for free if you want
to do it yourself. You know, it has the steps
to show you what to do. It explains everything. It
has everything, like literally it has everything you could ever imagine,
and everything is free.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So it's backed by money that is going to be
around for a while so we can count on it.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
So the backing actually needs donations. So I spend over
three hundred and fifty thousand on my own money to
get all of this stuff like off theund like the
Protect Act and Foundation raw and obviously like I can't
keep audition out money from my own pocket, so I
need help with donations and stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
So if you want to donate.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Feel free. You can also volunteer. You can you know,
share the petition to basically support the Protect Act. It's
on change dot org slash Protect Act, or you can
go to Foundation raw dot com slash Protect Act. So
Foundation raw dot com go there.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, and I will. Yeah, like I need donations like.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Crazy because I'm like, oh my god, I have all
these you know services that which is so crazy too.
Like when I reached that to nonprofits, like none of
them were able to help me with takedowns with lawyers,
like they just want to like in the money, or
they didn't want to deal with me at all. So
like they I didn't really get help like that. The
(34:57):
only help was maybe that they let me share my
story through them, but like even that is just so
they can get donations, you know. So I don't know.
So like I think if anybody survivor, that's the place
to go if they want help getting stuff taken down.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
They want really something, you know, to get done. Right. Yeah,
that's pretty much it. That's incredible. Thanks. It's a lot
of work. I'm so tired. I know enough right now.
So I don't know who's time we ut, But I
have what's the future hold? What does the future hold?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I mean like relationship, social media content, career's.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, so the future.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I realized that I was going a little too hard
on this cause and than the nonprofit, and I mean
I put down all the groundwork and everything.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
So it's all there.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
And everything is still rolling and it's going now.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
So that's that's done. But what I.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Noticed was that I need a balance, Like I was
telling you, like, I feel like my face was.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Going down because I wasn't smiling anymore.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
And I was someone that came from comedy and like
having fun.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
And stuff, and then.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
You're noticing like physical changes in your parents because this
is such a deep, dark car.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, I was never smiling anymore.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I was just listening to all these dark, depressing stories
and filler.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Could you do like filler?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
You just needed joy. I just needed to work these
muscles like smile. Yeah, I needed a smile.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
So and I realized, you know, why should there be
rules that if you want to do this, cause then
you need to only do all these dark depressing stories
or like just be in this dense energy all the time.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
And I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I never followed the rules and I always did everything
out of the box, you know, and there shouldn't be
any rules for this for me either. So I'm gonna
still do my comedy. If I want to post a
bikini picture, if I want to do entertainment stuff, acting, whatever,
and do this cause I can, like it's my life
and everybody else can fuck off basically. So yeah, so
(37:12):
I'm like, and it's the same for anyone. Don't let
them put you in a box because you're not just
one thing. You can do many different things all at once.
So I think that that was another thing that I learned.
So yeah, now it's good balance. I'm doing comedy, I'm
doing my acting stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
You know, I'm still doing this. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
So in relationships, I don't know. Right now, I'm happy.
I don't need any problems. You know, when I feel
like having problems, I'll have a relationship.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
What's the ideal guy? Oh, the Rock? The Rock? I
know probably like people were married. I can't. Yeah, yeah, he's.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
He's pretty married, but like still my guy. He's been
my guy, like since when I first started. I'm like
that the Rock, like you know, but then.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Like his appearance or his acting ability because that's questionable, but.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
A little bit the appearance, you know, But but I
think it's just he's got this silly personality, like you know,
so I think.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I know, but that's why I'm like, Okay, I think
he's his Sometimes his movies are cringed.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
The movies is like he needs to stop doing the
action stuff and start doing some dramatic acting, Like he
could do it. Why not just do it? I totally
believe he could do it. He's he's a good.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Actor, huge kind of role where he's like saving hostage.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Like dramatic acting, like like he goes into the character
and becomes something else other than a superhero, like you know,
there's something dark, you know and depressing, Like you know,
he do it. And because you could do comedy, you
could do action. He's he's got a wide range of
things that he could do.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
So I believe in you the Rock, Like I know.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
You could do some dramatic acting and some deep dance
maybe about some image based sexual abuse.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
And then he's like the.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Father and then he goes and like murders everybody.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I like that. Yeah, okay, oh he could be like
he could still be the hero, but just in other ways.
In Vengeance series of him just murdering bad people.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Maybe he could be like, oh, he would be a
good psychopath. I think like like he could be like
a psychopath for good you know.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Okay, yeah, I think he should just kill like pedophiles.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
And then you know, yeah, and like torture them. Yeah,
just a bad Yeah. I like that hackers.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Maybe he could just kill hackers.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Sound sterness out person. I'm so pumped you came on.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I love getting to know you in person, even though
we've texted and called them.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah, I feel like I can talk to you forever.
This episode is going to be like ten hours long.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Because it's great. Well, we're just gonna have Yeah, we're
just gonna go out to dinner. Yeah. Tell everyone where
they can like follow you, help donate everything.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Okay, So you can follow me at udos so it's
U L d O u Z and you can go
to foundation ra dot com and like I say, you
can sign the petition, you can volunteer, you can donate,
donate please, and then yeah, anyway that you want to support.
You can basically reach out on social media too, either
(40:42):
through me or a foundation raw at foundation raw basically.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
So yeah, that's that's for comedy video.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Is that like my main page of YouTube or all
my main platforms.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I'm doing all of them.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
So like I have some of the cause I have
some of the comedy, I'm doing a lot of now
because I'm like, oh my god, I'm like, it feels
like I'm doing the the universe service by doing this
dense like energy and then making them laugh at the
same time, you know, and then it's doing it for
me too, So I'm like, oh my god, laughing at
(41:15):
my own jokes like John Singleton told me not to do.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Good. Yeah, working out my fish muscles. Perfect love. All right, well,
thank you for having me, Thank you for doing this. Yeah,
we're gonna go. We're gonna go and hug each other.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Now I only have Persian friends, like I only like
Persian people.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah, well we got good food, you know. Yeah, we're
loyal to energy.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
Yeah, Like, that's it, That's what you need.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Thank you so much for listening to my conversation with Udos.
My biggest takeaway is that no matter what the world
throws at you, you have the ability to define yourself
on your own terms. I'm doctor Leslie and this has
been intentionally disturbing.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
I'll see you next time friends.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Intentionally Disturbing is a podcast from me, Doctor Leslie. It's
distributed by iHeart Media. Liam Billiam is the senior producer
and he also edits the show and puts up with
my shit. Katie Cobbs does the social media, and she
(42:43):
attempts to keep me in my lane, not always successful.
The executive producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for
Workhouse Media, who have told me not to text them
twenty four to seven. But you know what, I'm still
the boss us. Thanks again for listening. We'll see you
next week from
My name is doctor Leslie, and this is intentionally disturbing.
My guest today is Udos Wallace. In twenty fourteen, she
was an up and coming actress in Hollywood. She created
a show under the guidance of John Singleton, a famed
Hollywood director, but then her life was put on hold.
An ex boyfriend, in a desperate attempt to force her
(00:32):
to get back together, texted her at private images and
videos that they took when they were in a consensual relationship.
Now here's where it gets interesting. Udos's iCloud was being
monitored by a hacker. Her videos and photos, along with
over one hundred actresses, were released and spread like wildfire
(00:53):
all over the Internet. Now referred to as the twenty
fourteen iCloud hack. Didn't nearly ruined Udos's life, but she
has recovered. She's still an actress, model, comedian, but also
leading the charge in Washington.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
D C.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
And all over the world to stop this from happening
again via the Protect Act and her nonprofit foundation. Raw
like you told your story, Yeah, but I feel like
you told it very almost like clinically, like you didn't
(01:31):
and you didn't say what.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
It like, what it did to you. Yeah, I don't
even remember.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
I feel like I did so many podcasts and it
just became like like a mona what is it called
mono chronic monochrome, chromic.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Mono traumatic.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Yeah, but you know, you're just saying the same thing,
so it becomes like a robot almost, like yeah, because.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Everybody's like, so what happened?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Oh my god, this happened, you know, yeah, and then
and then this and then that, and you try to
remember to get everything in there, and then it just
became like a story now. Like you know, the first
time I said it in a couple of first times,
it was like really hard for me. But then after
a while, it's like, okay, let's just get to it,
(02:17):
you know.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So Protect Acts, Yeah, I mean, fucking amazing.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Thank you, fucking amazing. Like I don't even know how to.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Register to vote, really, and you went all the way
up to passing the Protect Act.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I didn't know what I was doing at first, but
I was like, I'm going to try to change the law,
and then how.
Speaker 5 (02:36):
Do you do it?
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Like what steps did you take? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:39):
So basically what happened was I shared my story. It
took me eight years to share my story, and I
was like, you know what, I'm going to change the law,
but I need to share my story. Nobody's doing anything
about it. I don't know how I'm going to do it,
but I'm going to figure it out. Because I shared
my story. After eight years, I realized that, Okay, you know,
(03:00):
there's no laws, nobody's doing anything.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Why is nobody doing anything? This is crazy?
Speaker 4 (03:05):
And they were like revenge porn laws, but they were
so weak. But there's nothing to hold you know, online platforms,
especially not adult sites accountable. Right, So I shared my story.
And then when I shared my story, this rep from
Massachusetts reached out and another senator and they're like, hey,
we want to help you, you know, create a sample bill.
(03:28):
Can we help you with that, and let's do it together.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
So I'm like okay.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
So I basically said, oh, it needs to have this,
it needs to have that, blah blah blah. And he
helped me create a sample bill, and then I started
working with you know, some nonprofits. I sent it to
one of the nonprofits, and then the nonprofit sent it
to Senator Mike Lee, and then Mike Lee basically you know,
he's like an expert and all that kind of stuff.
(03:52):
So he introduced the Protect Act. Problem with the porn
sites and all of these sites is that they already
had the technology to prevent this from the beginning, but
they were just making so much money, yeah, that they
didn't want to implement it. Like I reached that to
porn side after seven years of getting reposted like over
(04:12):
and over and over and over, right every single day,
and they had something called the fingerprint stamp technology, and
only because I got referred by an ex porn star
is why they implemented it for me. But all of
those years they didn't want to do anything.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
So it's recirculating, yeah, of course. And then now on
top of that, they're doing deep fakes too, so like
it it's just not stop.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, I mean, it's like ridiculous. It's almost like you
kind of have to share your story because otherwise they're
this false narrative of you looking like a full blown
porn star will be out there, you know.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Well, I mean the minute, well we met on social
media first, but the minute like I started following your
and I was listening to your podcasts, I thought about
your upbringing and how incredibly difficult I know, like I
know a lot of actresses were involved. Yeah, but not
(05:13):
Iranian actresses, not women who where the culture was just
so unaccepting of female sexuality already, and I immediately just
started thinking.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
What the fuck did the studio because it did.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
A lot more to you, I imagine then you know,
a wait, la girl.
Speaker 4 (05:35):
Yeah, I mean it obviously did a lot of damage,
but not only because I was Iranian and I grew
up in Sweden, and you know, I was new to
the US, like I'm not even from here, like you know,
or I wasn't from here. I'm a US citizen now,
but like at that time, I was still really new
to America. You know, I was doing the whole like
(05:57):
this is the American dream, and I was following that,
and you know, the it seemed like I had endless
possibilities because I came from I ran right, So I
was five and I moved to Sweden. Then from Sweden,
I moved to the US by myself, went to San
Diego State University.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
I got my master's degree in marketing.
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Like I've done all of the right things in my life, right,
and then, you know, growing up in Sweden, they told
me like, oh, you're not like blonde or blue eye
you're not not going to be able to be a model,
you're not going to be able to be an actress,
or you know, you're not considered pretty, blah blah blah.
You know, you're not tall, you're not skinny, all of
these stereotypes that they were like, you're never going to
(06:43):
make it. Basically, growing up, everybody would tell me go
back to your own country. You know, you're a blackhead.
You're like, that's like basically saying the N word to you,
you know, and then you're either Swedish or you're non Swedish.
So everybody that was in Sweden, we will all hang
out together. So all the immigrants would hang out with
each other, and then the Swedish people would hang out
(07:06):
with each other. And I had only one Swedish friend
the whole time growing up and shout out to her.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
I just saw her again. I was in Sweden.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
I love her, but like she basically they gave her
an ultimatum and was like you're either gonna be with
us or you're gonna be with her.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Like who do you choose?
Speaker 4 (07:24):
And she was like, well, she's my real friend, she
has my back, so she chose me.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
You know, like school age, yeah, like sixteen, like we
were like sixteen year old kids and like she's a
rock star.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Yeah, and we're still friends today and she like she
she rocked with me. But then they like kind of
ostracized her from all the other Swedish people growing up,
so she was like the only Swedish person with all
the immigrants. But like I grew up with all of that, right,
So by like seventeen eighteen, after hearing that since five,
(07:59):
like this is not your country. You know, your hair
is black, The devil's in your hair, the devil's in
your eyes because it's not blue, you know, or it's
not blonde.
Speaker 3 (08:08):
You know. Holy shit, I did not know.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Yeah, it was horrible, Like it was just all of
these really bad experiences with racism, you know, And.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
I was just like, wow, this is crazy, Like I
got to get out of here.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
Yeah, and coming to the US and they're like, oh
my god, you're pretty and you're beautiful and you should
try modey, you should try acting. And I'm like, wow,
this is so cool, Like this are my people, like finally,
you know.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, and you moved alone to see here you go.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Yeah, just trying to just trying to follow the dream
of you know, becoming something great, especially to prove it
to my mom, you know, and like show her like, look,
I'm like this amazing, you know, a list movie star.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I have all this education, successful, like you know, and
when proud.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, I just wanted to make her proud, you know.
And I think a lot of Persian people they can
understand that, and like not just Persian people, but like everybody,
they want their parents to be proud, you know.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
And I really wanted.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
Like that approval from her was like the ultimate like
diamond at the top of a mountain, Like I just
wanted her approval. And when I found out about the
leak and it actually happened, that's when it.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Just felt like the dream was gone.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Like the dream I've been making her proud was just
out the window.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
And I was trying everything to just.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Hide it so that she wouldn't find out. And it
just didn't even take that long because.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
She was in Sweden. She was in Sweden.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, so a fan send it to her and they
basically was like, look at your daughter. You know, this
is what she's doing in America. She's doing horn you know,
oh fuck it. Yeah, And he was Persian too, and
he was like some crazy fan that just found her,
like you know, so she calls me and she's like,
(10:11):
oh my god, this guy's saying this is it true?
What's going on? And like she didn't understand. And then
I got so upset and angry because it's like my
whole life I worked so hard and then now like
you've been diminished to this like tiny like thing that
you wouldn't even ever consider to do, and not.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Because diminished, but also like the valued your integrity was taken.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah, Like, can we go back to when you found out.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
That the the photos and the videos were leaked and
kind of just like in that moment, like where were
you with how did you find out?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
How did it feel? Kind of like the how fucking traumatic? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (10:59):
So when the actual leak happened, Oh my god, it
was awful because I thought like I was safe because
I actually didn't take any real bad pictures, Like the
pictures that I sent off was like I would cover
it up and make sure it would have been similar
to like a bikini modeling shoot.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
Or something, you know.
Speaker 4 (11:19):
So when the actual leak happened is when I realized like,
oh my god, these are the pictures and the video
that my ex took years ago and send them to
the iCloud, right, I message, yeah, and it gets stored
in the iCloud. So basically I realized, those are the
pictures in the video that he threatened me with that
(11:41):
he's gonna leak and he didn't leak on I already
knew that at that point because I knew him.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
So I was like, oh, I just called his bluff.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
He didn't do it, and he threatened it because he
wanted to keep threated together.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, because I was ignoring him for like six months
and he was getting really desperate, you know. So you
know how guys are, like they're like, oh they try anything, Like, oh,
he's desperately, He's not gonna do anything, you know.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
So I kind of call his bluff.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
I already knew it, and he didn't do it, thank god.
But then like, who would have known that this psychopath
is basically stalking the eye message.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
And what the hell? Like nobody even knew what the
iCloud was at that time.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Like I definitely looked up his wife, who's a fucking psychologist,
and I can't. I'm like crazy, it's a shame I
feel in my profession, Like how how.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Did she take that guy back after violating all of
these women and they have two small children.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
And she's got this, like what a website Like yeah,
I'm just this lovely therapist.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
I'll work with you on your trauma.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah yeah, no thanks. I wonder if that's how they met.
Like it's just so so weird, like why are you
taking this guy back knowing he's a full blown predator
and he's destroying people's life, Like, yeah, he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Be still doing something and will be you know.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
And we're not like just predator and fell in. I
mean this is like sexual misconduct. Yeah, like he he
wanted private nude videos and photos of women and he's
watching them.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
And there was an underage girl in there too, so
he's definitely been doing.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
That and now he's got kids.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
And then it's not even that he was basically stalking
me and all these other women over a two year span,
so he was watching everything. He was monitoring text messages,
you know, pictures, videos, calls, like whatever he could access.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
He was watching all of us.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
It's not just like, oh, this is a predator, Yeah,
this is like someone that's extremely crazy, Like how is
this person watching, and how does he even have time
with two little kids? Like how is he even contributing
as a husband or a father and then engaging and
all that, Like, how do you even find time with that?
Speaker 3 (14:00):
I don't understand.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
I just would personally like to invite him and his
wife onto the podcast.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Just if they'd like to talk, because I have some questions.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
So, yeah, anyone's listening from Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, apparently they're like in a Mormon town. So, oh god,
I don't know, that's like American thing.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I live near there in the Amish Country. Oh, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
That's like something American that I didn't grow up with.
But I mean it's supposed to be people who have values. Yeah,
so many values that they don't use media. They they
have days off during the week where they have the
Sabbath and all this. But no, he's spending his time hacking, yeah,
trying to find nudes of people and then publish them.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, so did you get alerted or how? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:49):
So I was actually at a shoot I think it
was BuzzFeed or something at that time, and I got
like all of these calls and text messages and one
of my friends was like, oh my god, have you
seen this? I'm so sorry. And it was a screenshot
or like a picture of the like the a snapshot
(15:12):
of the video that got le So I went and
I excused myself from the shoot and I was just
like so shocked, like I my heart just sank and
I just I just like wanted to just lay down
on the ground and just cry, you know. So I
literally went home and I that's what I did. I
just collapsed and I just cried and I cried and
(15:34):
I locked myself in. It was like dark everywhere, like
it just I was so depressed and just crying. Just
felt like all my dreams were out the window everything,
like I and then you don't even understand what's going on,
like there was nobody there to explain anything. It wasn't
a normal thing at the time. Plus I was like
new to fame, like I didn't that was my first
(15:56):
real taste of fame.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You know, are going to take a quick break and
we'll be right back.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
And culturally again, like culturally and then seeing the girl
that's not even American, like yeah, you know, like Pershing
grew up in Sweden.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
Like oh my god, up here, like live in the
American dream, how cool, like you know, and everything I've
done has been ten times.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
Harder for me.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
So even me being here has been like a million
steps than someone that's just born here and they're just
you know, everything has been like hard from the beginning,
like and through all of those struggles and following all
the steps, doing all of the right things, getting the degree,
doing all the right jobs, and you know, following all
(16:46):
the directions of everybody, your mother, you're you know, the director,
the like whatever, you know, the actors, the teachers, you know.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
And still like how is this possible? Right?
Speaker 4 (16:59):
And like I said, my biggest thing was to have
my mom, you know, look at me like, oh.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
My god, my daughter. She's like this.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Huge, aless movie star or something like she's gonna be
so big she can't not just be proud of me,
Like she has to be proud of me.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
That was the ultimate thing.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Right, So you're just on the floor, sobbing alone, diminished,
feel like destroyed, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And thinking about how is my family gonna.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Yeah, that was my biggest thing, is like I did
not want my mom finding out. And then when my
mom found out, that was just it was all done
for me, then it was over Like that was like
there's no coming back from this. You know, everything was
stolen digitally raped, Yeah, basically. And the worst part about
(17:51):
it is, no matter how much you try to explain yourself,
especially at that time, nobody wanted to believe.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
You started the American Dream. Yeah, and then it just
Hollywood kicked you in the ass. It turned into American Nightmare,
the American horror story.
Speaker 7 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Yeah, yeah, and then I think you said people were
telling you to just straight up kill yourself. Oh yeah,
Like I don't think we all understand, like the cyberbullying.
They don't understand how nasty it gets. Like for me,
my children got threats. It's crazy people don't understand that
I've posted on my Instagram in the stories because then
(18:34):
nobody will because I can't get in trouble for doing it.
In the stories, I've posted the literal threats and people
are fucking.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Horrified, like they don't even know humans exist like this.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Yeah, it's crazy, right, Like why why are people allowed
to dish out all of these, like, you know, comments
h harass you on social media? Why is there no
laws against that?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Anyways?
Speaker 4 (18:57):
So, yeah, my American Dream turned quick clean into American
nightmare and the worst if I go on dates, that's
all that the guy would bring up would be that
and how he wants basically sex for you because he
thinks that you're easy or something now. And I was like,
fuck off, Like I don't want to deal with this,
so I would stop going on dates.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
The guys.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
I will be there like, you have to get this
taken down. I can't have you come in and see
my mom for Thanksgiving, you know if you have this.
So I will be up all night like calling people
trying to take it down myself.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You know. Every big job.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
That I would have, I would like the agents, the
whatever it was, they were like, oh, you have to
get the stuff taken down before they look. If you don't,
then you're not going to get the job, you know.
So then I will be up all night trying to
do that again.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
It was.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
It was horrible, like I would my whole time got
so consumed by trying to take this stuff down. Was
probably the day after the league happened, I got a
text message from this guy that's a known actor, you know,
and he was also like a known viner, you know.
(20:11):
He reached out to me and he was like, oh
my god, how are you? And I'm thinking, oh, he cares,
you know, he's trying to check in on me, Like
oh my god, yeah this I feel bad. You know
I could have been better. And he's like, oh, I
thought you would have killed yourself by now. You should
definitely like try to do that.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know, a known actor told you should kill yourself.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Yeah, he's like, I thought you would have killed yourself
by now, Like haven't.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
You done it? Like give me his information, I'll kill him. Yeah,
Like and it's like I got so upset. And it
was he joking. No, he was not.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
He was like that whole group I'm telling you, they
were trying to encourage me to kill myself. They would
put me in group chats and talk shit about me.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Is this like so that you wentn't out them? No,
it's just at that time, this was what happened.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
So Vine was like it was good, but then Instagram
took off right and then Vine shut down. So when
they came over to Instagram, I had more followers than them,
so that was the biggest threat, Like, oh my god,
she has actual acting credits and all of these people they.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Wanted to be doing acting.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
You know, they wanted to be famous, they wanted to
do all of those things right and social media like
we're Instagram and all that. So they looked at me like, oh,
she's been discovered by John Singleton, she has actual like
acting credits and print modeling experience, like all the stuff
that they wanted.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I already had that.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
So they just wanted a way to push me out
of the way because in their minds they're like, oh,
there can only be one or two people, and it
has to be us as a group. It can't be
like somebody that doesn't want to conform.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
To all of our rules. What do you do with
us now?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Yeah, because you're hot, gorgeous, funny, talented. Am I still
got it? My face, get my gobble? But like, how
do you just say? Fuck you all? I'm gonna be
my hot, gorgeous, funny self. Yeah, And so that's whatever.
(22:21):
I'm going to show off my body and the way
I want, not the way people are painting the picture.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
Yeah, how are you finding the empowerment?
Speaker 4 (22:30):
That's what I realized, Like that's the greatest point out
of all of these discoveries, is what I realized with
this cause is that you're powerful alone. You don't need anybody.
People make it seem like you need this, you need that.
You don't need anybody. If anybody wants to do something
to change other people's lives or change their lives or
(22:53):
whatever you want to do, all you need is yourself
because you alone are very powerful, like the power on right.
So that's my ultimate like discovery. I was like, wait
a minute, I didn't even need all these people. They
just came along. All they did was causing all these
distractions and unnecessary drama and you know, all of these
(23:13):
things that I didn't even need, and I was doing
fine by myself. I didn't need all these other things,
you know. So that's one of the discoveries. And then
like another thing is basically that anything like you put
your mind into, you can you can accomplish it, you know.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
So it's you could.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
You could do anything that you want. All you have
to do is just make up your mind, like I
want to do this, and you.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Could do it.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
So with the cause and everything, it's still going, it's
all falling into place. I'm still going at it, but
now this time around, I'm not dealing with people like
you know, if you want to be cool.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
You're cool, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:58):
I don't need anybody. I don't need anybody to, you know,
come in and try to pretend or be a friend
or you know, pretend like they're gonna help with the
cause you know, you either do it because you want
to do it or you don't.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Like it's just that simple, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
I think it's such a huge message for young girls too. Yeah,
like we can say it, we hold you. Oh, I'm
about to ask one.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
You have to say it? Yeah, tell me.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
No, I refuse my Hollywood age.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
But I feel like when when I turned forty, like
I finally granted it was a year ago, but I've
finally understood.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
Like it clicks. Yeah, I've always tried to do things
on my own.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
I've always fought like the Black Sheep. Yeah, but it
finally clicked that I was like I should, could, would,
can and suck everyone because I really don't give two
ships when people think about me exactly, And I like,
I don't know how to get this across like my
twenty year old clients. Yeah, I don't know how to
explain that nuance of growth other than you just go
(25:14):
through your experiences in life and it kind of falls
into place.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
Yeah, and I think that that even if anybody young
is listening right now, Like I mean, I had literally
been called everything in the book, like everything like crazy,
batshit crazy stuff. I've been called like I've been called
a porn star, a terrorist, a sand edword like uh
you know, racis, Like I mean, you name it, Like.
Speaker 3 (25:40):
I get called a cunt, Like that's probably the most.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
I mean, the whore and the comment like all of
the sloth like that.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
That stuff was like back in the day. Like I'm like, okay,
I kind of potatoes. Now now you're a terrorists.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, like now spy you know, oh, I mean when
you do speak like eight thousand languages.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Like you know, what's so funny about this? I'm like
now that people tell me, they're.
Speaker 7 (26:03):
Like, oh, such and such accuse you of being this,
or like, oh did you see this comment? They're talking
smack and they're saying this, and I'm like, oh, that's
a new one.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
They added a new one to my resume.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Okay, now it's just like okay, just added to my resume.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
It's that internal strength that we have to carry, that
internal reminder of our value. Yeah, and it is hard
to combat the negativity and the just everyone telling you
you can't do it. Yeah, like to carry that threat
of yeah I fucking can.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
How do you get to love yourself and know you're
worth And I think what I came to the realization
when I was like, I don't need anyone, fuck everyone.
You know, you're going around trying to look for everything,
and everything that you really need is inside you. You
don't even need all of these people. They're just basically
just there too. I think they were just there to
(26:59):
make me really lies my own power in the end,
you know, And I love that.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah. It's just there to make you realize your own power. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
And then another thing that I realized too was somebody
said this, and I was like, oh my god, that's
so true.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
And somebody said that.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Just because you're thirsty doesn't mean you should drink poison, right,
And like so many of us were like, Oh, I
want to talk to someone, We call someone, we have
that friend that's not really a friend that's just been
a hater the whole time, or you know the co worker.
You know, you're just trying to be cool with people.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
No, like stay thirsty, yeah, stay thirsty. Yeah, that's the message.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah, like I can't even like if fathom that, can
you say more?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Yeah, so if it feels like you don't have a country,
But it's because first of all, I was Iranian, right,
So then when I was five, I moved to Sweden.
Then growing up in Sweden, oh my god, it was
like so racist growing up there. It was the worst. So,
like I knew early on that I had to move
away from Sweden because there was just it was just
(28:15):
so racist and there was no way that I was
going to be able to be anything there, you know,
and or even like have a happy life kind of thing,
because it was really dark, depressing, is cold. And then
at seventeen eighteen, I also went back to Iran because
I wanted to see the country that I was from, right,
(28:36):
Everybody told me go back to your own country, Like okay,
So I went back to Iran at seventeen eighteen. And
then when I was walking around there, people in Iran
was talking shit about me.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
They're like, oh, look at her, she's European. Let's charge
her double, you know, just saying stuff like that was
just funny. They thought I was a tourist.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
They thought it was the European maybe because I was
in Sweden, I was so pale, you know, because I
would never see the sun, so like it shows when
you go right, And so when I was there, I
didn't feel like I belonged there either. And then then
I come here, and then I felt like I kind
of belonged here, right, because everybody's like, oh, you should
(29:20):
try Molley. You're pretty, you know, you can be anything
you want. Wow, this is so amazing, Like and then
one of.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
The most this happens, horrifying.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Yeah, it's like and then the only solution was to
be isolated because anywhere I will go, people will talk
about me. They would look at me one and then
two getting the approval from people that were just determined
to hate me anyways, you know, and it was just
what the hell is wrong with people?
Speaker 3 (29:49):
You know, I'm sorry, it's time for commercial So now, like,
what's your country? My country is the US. This is
the best country in the world out of all the places.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
And I know, this is like as bad as the
hack was. I mean, what country can you go from,
you know, becoming a citizen but then being hacked right
and leaked and looking like a porn start to the
whole world and then decide that you want to change
the law and being able to do that. This is
(30:27):
the only country that I feel like you can really
be anything that you want to be, no matter what
the circumstances is. All you have to do is just
be real, like tell your story and share everything. And
I think that that is another message for anyone else,
is to just take back your power by sharing your story.
(30:48):
That's huge because as long as you let the predators
or perpetrators tell their version of you, is that's what
people are going to, you know, have the perception of
So you need.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
To be real.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
I tell people all the time when they come in
for therapy and they are like, what the hell is therapy?
This is so many misconceptions, Like, you know, I'm a
little different. My goal is that if you can get
to a place where you lay out all your shit
on the table for everyone to pick through and you
don't care, then we've succeeded.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Yeah, I love that. The transparency. Yeah, you get to
their enpowerment.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
You got to be real, because if you're not real,
then everybody else can tell your story. Yeah, you know,
you either tell your own story or you have other
people tell your story, and that's how you got to
tell your story.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
It's the only way. Yeah, right. Can you tell me
about the Protect Act and Foundation Raw. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
So basically the Protect Act, what it does is that
it verifies aging consent of everyone depicted and the content
in adult sites. And that also if god forbid, somebody
gets posted non consensually, then they have to swiftly take
it down within a very short time frame or a
(32:09):
timely time frame, or else they will get heavily fined.
And then also implement the fingerprints STEM technology, which basically
scans a video or an image ahead of time and
blocks it from further re uploading. So it would basically
block re uploads, block potential non consensual content to get
(32:32):
uploaded in the first place. And this is what really
is needed because right now everybody can upload whatever they
want with just an email address, which is just outrageous,
right right.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
So basically that's to protect that.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
Foundation Raw is a nonprofit that I started, and I
started this nonprofit because I wish I had this when
I went through this, right, So what Foundation Raw does
that is that we take down anything that's being posted
non consensually for free, and then it offers legal advice.
(33:08):
You can get talk to lawyers through Foundation Wrang, there's
a therapy. There's all kinds of resources, like it will
tell you not just laws in the US and state wise,
but also laws internationally. So even if you're international, you
can still reach out to Foundation Wrong. We can take
(33:29):
the stuff down for you for free if you want
to do it yourself. You know, it has the steps
to show you what to do. It explains everything. It
has everything, like literally it has everything you could ever imagine,
and everything is free.
Speaker 1 (33:45):
So it's backed by money that is going to be
around for a while so we can count on it.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
So the backing actually needs donations. So I spend over
three hundred and fifty thousand on my own money to
get all of this stuff like off theund like the
Protect Act and Foundation raw and obviously like I can't
keep audition out money from my own pocket, so I
need help with donations and stuff.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
So if you want to donate.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Feel free. You can also volunteer. You can you know,
share the petition to basically support the Protect Act. It's
on change dot org slash Protect Act, or you can
go to Foundation raw dot com slash Protect Act. So
Foundation raw dot com go there.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, and I will. Yeah, like I need donations like.
Speaker 4 (34:35):
Crazy because I'm like, oh my god, I have all
these you know services that which is so crazy too.
Like when I reached that to nonprofits, like none of
them were able to help me with takedowns with lawyers,
like they just want to like in the money, or
they didn't want to deal with me at all. So
like they I didn't really get help like that. The
(34:57):
only help was maybe that they let me share my
story through them, but like even that is just so
they can get donations, you know. So I don't know.
So like I think if anybody survivor, that's the place
to go if they want help getting stuff taken down.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
They want really something, you know, to get done. Right. Yeah,
that's pretty much it. That's incredible. Thanks. It's a lot
of work. I'm so tired. I know enough right now.
So I don't know who's time we ut, But I
have what's the future hold? What does the future hold?
Speaker 1 (35:37):
I mean like relationship, social media content, career's.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, so the future.
Speaker 4 (35:45):
I realized that I was going a little too hard
on this cause and than the nonprofit, and I mean
I put down all the groundwork and everything.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
So it's all there.
Speaker 4 (35:57):
And everything is still rolling and it's going now.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
So that's that's done. But what I.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Noticed was that I need a balance, Like I was
telling you, like, I feel like my face was.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Going down because I wasn't smiling anymore.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
And I was someone that came from comedy and like
having fun.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
And stuff, and then.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
You're noticing like physical changes in your parents because this
is such a deep, dark car.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Yeah, I was never smiling anymore.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I was just listening to all these dark, depressing stories
and filler.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Could you do like filler?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (36:28):
You just needed joy. I just needed to work these
muscles like smile. Yeah, I needed a smile.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
So and I realized, you know, why should there be
rules that if you want to do this, cause then
you need to only do all these dark depressing stories
or like just be in this dense energy all the time.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
And I was like, wait a minute.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
I never followed the rules and I always did everything
out of the box, you know, and there shouldn't be
any rules for this for me either. So I'm gonna
still do my comedy. If I want to post a
bikini picture, if I want to do entertainment stuff, acting, whatever,
and do this cause I can, like it's my life
and everybody else can fuck off basically. So yeah, so
(37:12):
I'm like, and it's the same for anyone. Don't let
them put you in a box because you're not just
one thing. You can do many different things all at once.
So I think that that was another thing that I learned.
So yeah, now it's good balance. I'm doing comedy, I'm
doing my acting stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
You know, I'm still doing this. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
So in relationships, I don't know. Right now, I'm happy.
I don't need any problems. You know, when I feel
like having problems, I'll have a relationship.
Speaker 3 (37:48):
What's the ideal guy? Oh, the Rock? The Rock? I
know probably like people were married. I can't. Yeah, yeah, he's.
Speaker 4 (38:00):
He's pretty married, but like still my guy. He's been
my guy, like since when I first started. I'm like
that the Rock, like you know, but then.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Like his appearance or his acting ability because that's questionable, but.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
A little bit the appearance, you know, But but I
think it's just he's got this silly personality, like you know,
so I think.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
I know, but that's why I'm like, Okay, I think
he's his Sometimes his movies are cringed.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
The movies is like he needs to stop doing the
action stuff and start doing some dramatic acting, Like he
could do it. Why not just do it? I totally
believe he could do it. He's he's a good.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Actor, huge kind of role where he's like saving hostage.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
Like dramatic acting, like like he goes into the character
and becomes something else other than a superhero, like you know,
there's something dark, you know and depressing, Like you know,
he do it. And because you could do comedy, you
could do action. He's he's got a wide range of
things that he could do.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
So I believe in you the Rock, Like I know.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
You could do some dramatic acting and some deep dance
maybe about some image based sexual abuse.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
And then he's like the.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Father and then he goes and like murders everybody.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
I like that. Yeah, okay, oh he could be like
he could still be the hero, but just in other ways.
In Vengeance series of him just murdering bad people.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
Maybe he could be like, oh, he would be a
good psychopath. I think like like he could be like
a psychopath for good you know.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Okay, yeah, I think he should just kill like pedophiles.
Speaker 3 (39:41):
And then you know, yeah, and like torture them. Yeah,
just a bad Yeah. I like that hackers.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Maybe he could just kill hackers.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Sound sterness out person. I'm so pumped you came on.
Speaker 1 (39:59):
I love getting to know you in person, even though
we've texted and called them.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yeah, I feel like I can talk to you forever.
This episode is going to be like ten hours long.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Because it's great. Well, we're just gonna have Yeah, we're
just gonna go out to dinner. Yeah. Tell everyone where
they can like follow you, help donate everything.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Okay, So you can follow me at udos so it's
U L d O u Z and you can go
to foundation ra dot com and like I say, you
can sign the petition, you can volunteer, you can donate,
donate please, and then yeah, anyway that you want to support.
You can basically reach out on social media too, either
(40:42):
through me or a foundation raw at foundation raw basically.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
So yeah, that's that's for comedy video.
Speaker 4 (40:49):
Is that like my main page of YouTube or all
my main platforms.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I'm doing all of them.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
So like I have some of the cause I have
some of the comedy, I'm doing a lot of now
because I'm like, oh my god, I'm like, it feels
like I'm doing the the universe service by doing this
dense like energy and then making them laugh at the
same time, you know, and then it's doing it for
me too, So I'm like, oh my god, laughing at
(41:15):
my own jokes like John Singleton told me not to do.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Good. Yeah, working out my fish muscles. Perfect love. All right, well,
thank you for having me, Thank you for doing this. Yeah,
we're gonna go. We're gonna go and hug each other.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Now I only have Persian friends, like I only like
Persian people.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Yeah, well we got good food, you know. Yeah, we're
loyal to energy.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
Yeah, Like, that's it, That's what you need.
Speaker 1 (42:02):
Thank you so much for listening to my conversation with Udos.
My biggest takeaway is that no matter what the world
throws at you, you have the ability to define yourself
on your own terms. I'm doctor Leslie and this has
been intentionally disturbing.
Speaker 3 (42:18):
I'll see you next time friends.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Intentionally Disturbing is a podcast from me, Doctor Leslie. It's
distributed by iHeart Media. Liam Billiam is the senior producer
and he also edits the show and puts up with
my shit. Katie Cobbs does the social media, and she
(42:43):
attempts to keep me in my lane, not always successful.
The executive producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for
Workhouse Media, who have told me not to text them
twenty four to seven. But you know what, I'm still
the boss us. Thanks again for listening. We'll see you
next week from
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