June 5, 2025 • 18 mins
Amy and T.J. go over the gripping testimony from Bryana Bongolan - Cassie Ventura Fine’s close friend - who testified to a violent attack by Diddy. Bongolan still has another hour of cross examination today by Diddy’a defense attorneys after she detailed how the rap mogul dangled her off a 17th floor balcony and told her at one point that he was the Devil.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome everyone to Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It is Thursday, June fifth, and the Didy trial is
about to get underway once again. This is the fourth
full week of testimony. I'm Amy Robock along with my
partner TJ.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Holmes.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Starting a little later this morning than typical mornings. Testimony
doesn't begin until eleven am, but they will begin with
wrapping up that cross examination of Brianna Bunglin, and she
certainly had a lot to say yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, why are they starting late today?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We don't know. There were some procedural issues, but they
said they were starting late. And interestingly enough, the prosecution
is concerned about being behind schedule right now for their
big star witness that may take the stand later today.
Jane is the pseudonym she's using, but apparently she has
to catch an international flight a week from today and
they're worried that all these delays and even starting later
(00:55):
today might cause some problems for her and that flight.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, yeah, we see what happens there. But we got
another full day of testimony that's in the books now,
So let's go through what happened for everybody yesterday again.
As we sit here at this recording court is about
to get underway. So no testimony as of yet, as
of this moment, as of this recording. So as we've
been doing, we'll go through what a full day that's
already in the books. And yes, Brianna bongle In, I
(01:20):
guess the headline that kept coming out of that was
she was the of course X or friend of Ditty's
X cause EVENTU or fine And this incident wrotes we've
been hearing so much about. We got it first person.
Brianna Bonlein is the one that we've been hearing about.
Was dangled over a balcony by Diddy.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, she says that Diddy bangles her off that seventeen
floor balcony. It was Cassie's La apartment, and she testified
to jurors indirect testimony and in cross examination that she
still does not know why it happened or what he
meant when he said as he was she said, he
was dangling her over that balcony. You know what the
(02:00):
f you did? She said that Diddy was saying this repeatedly,
yelling that at her, and to this day she doesn't
know what he meant by it, but she said she
was shaking, she was so scared and when he finally
for those, she said ten to fifteen seconds she was
dangling over that balcony. He finished it by throwing her
against the patty of furniture. She says she sustained injuries
(02:21):
from that throw, and she says she still suffers, wakes
up screaming and is haunted by that moment, those fifteen
seconds where she said she felt like she might die.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And I really, folks a reminder. This was back in
twenty sixteen. She was staying at a case of interrofinance
house her apartment out in LA with another friend. They
heard the banging on the door and it was remarkable
for her to her first instinct was to tell her
friend to hide in the bathroom. She told a friend
to go in there and be quiet. So her friend
and her words wrote she she didn't want her to
(02:53):
be involved and be subject to some of the stuff
that she had witnessed, so she essentially just kept one
person out of it. She didn't want her to be
subjected to it. So the friend didn't see it. Cassie
venture Fine didn't see it, so really it was only
Ditty and Brianna Bongaling. Cassie Sell some of the aftermaths,
she said, But they're going after her in the cross examination,
at least, trying to poke holes in her story and robes.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
This is what.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yes, we've seen defense attorneys do this. I don't know
how effective it is, but little things she's she can't
recall correctly. She told one group that she was a
prosecutors that she was smoking a cigarette out there, but
it turns out on the stand she says she was
smoking weed. I know that seems minor, but point by
point they are going through and showing different ways that
she has not been accurate in her accounting of that story.
(03:40):
The point being well, if she got some of these
details wrong or she confused, what other details could she
possibly be getting wrong?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And she admitted on the stand that she had been
using cocaine and f actually talked a lot about the
drug use that she did with Cassie Ventura Fine and
with Ditty himself. She meant that they repeatedly and often
used marijuana, cocaine, ketamine, ecstasy, GHB. It was a long
(04:08):
list of drugs, and she said, look, we all had
a problem. Interestingly enough, she actually wanted to make a
distinction because This was something they also tried to poke
holes at. She said the prosecution, or at least the investigators,
got it wrong. They conflated to events. There was the
event she says that happened at Cassie Ventur's apartment where
she says Diddy dangled her over that balcony, But she
(04:29):
said previously, earlier in that year, in twenty sixteen, she
was on a photo shoot with Cassie Ventur Fine, and
she said Diddy came up to her, got right in
her face and said, I'm the devil and I could
kill you. She says that she doesn't know what prompted it,
but that that happened, that she was terrified, and even
though that all occurred, she claims she still continued to
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see Sean Combs, she still continued to see Cassie Ventur.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
She still continued to put herself.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
In their world and around them, and that's what defense
attorneys were also trying to come at her similar to
what they did with me, And why would you keep
coming back? Why would you stay in the same vicinity
with someone who basically said that they were the devil
and could possibly kill you. And she just really didn't
have a good answer for that.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Look, there was a lot of I don't remember, I
don't recall, I don't remember, I don't remember, I don't remember.
That's effective where it can be, or is the reason
that defense attorneys do this, because if you can't remember
that part of the story, then maybe you're not remembering
the other part of the story. They did get at
her motivation. She does have a ten million dollar lawsuit
pending against Sean Diddy Combs right now. She her words,
(05:35):
she said, yes, I don't want the ten million. If
you would take this memory away, that's fine, and we understand,
but she is it is worth noting. But this is
the first time we have actually attached a name to it.
This story. We've heard about so many times about the
balcony situation. Cassie been ter refined had this in her lawsuit?
She said she asked. Brianna Bonglean says she was asked
(05:56):
by Cassie if she could put that in her lawsuit
aim and she said nope. So that's why we haven't
gotten the name yet. But she's another Robes that's under
an immunity deal and to be up there on the stand,
you can see why she talked about a lot of
drug use, even selling drugs at some point to people.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, she actually her testimony was delayed a little bit
yesterday because she had to wait for the judge to
give her that immunity order. And surely when she started testifying,
you could understand why. And she did say that cassievan
touurfind did put that incident, of course in her lawsuit,
she just wasn't allowed to name her. And so now
you're right, this is the first time we were actually
attaching a name to that incident that we've heard so
(06:35):
much about. So when she takes the stand, actually momentarily,
defense attorneys say they still have anywhere from forty five
minutes to an hour left to cross examine her, so
they're still not done. We don't know what else they
want to try and say or do to discredit her.
But she's back up in the stand and she'll be
there for a little while. And because this is taking
longer than expected, we were initially expecting Enrique Santos to
(06:59):
take the stand after Breonna Bonglan is done today. He
was due to make an appearance to basically set up
the testimony for this Jane Doe character.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
We've heard so much.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
The third and potentially final alleged victim of Seawan Comb's,
Jane Doe is or was, excuse me, a girlfriend of
Sean Ditecombs, and she we believe was a part of
all of these freak offs, and she certainly says that
she too was abused, So so much anticipation about what
she's going to say, but unclear what Enrico Santas was
going to be able to to add to.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
This or at least set her up.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
We were told that perhaps he might be able to
explain some texts that the jury's about to see that
might shed some light into how you take Jane Doe's testimony,
but we don't know. Now. The prosecution saying it's going
so late and they're so concerned about Jane Doe's timeline
that they don't know if they can afford to put
Enrico Santos up on the witness stand.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So that's to be TVD.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, that's has always been fourth of July. I think
they were trying to wrap things up, and then the
prosecution was doing so great, We're head of schedule, and
now all of a sudden, we're behind schedule, and the
defense has already talked about they're reordering some of their
folks on their list. So we don't know. I mean,
from recent indications, if you're reading Teelee used July fourth
seems like a bit of a pipe dream. The judge
(08:20):
wants it though. The judge absolutely wants that date and
wants him to stick to it, and he's tried to
move things along at several places. But even if they
have thirty to forty five minutes, so much of the
stuff that has been taking so much time, as all
these sidebars. They got to send the jury out so
they can argue about something in the courtroom. And look,
this is a bunch of a man's life is on
the line, period, So I would argue, you take all
the time you need on this thing, but there have
(08:41):
been so many delays because of sidebars.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah. The judge actually even said late yesterday, I don't
know that the jurors were loving us because they've been
wrapping up around three pm Eastern time each day. The
judge suggested that perhaps they could have the jury start
to stay later on the days when Jane Doe is
testifying when she's on the stand, but he said that
the late they could probably delay it to was four
pm tomorrow because of a scheduling issue, but we may
(09:04):
see longer days starting next week.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And this is actually a note. If Jane Doe actually.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Takes the stand today TJ and begins her testimony, they're
worried about her catching a flight a week from today.
That's hard to imagine that they think she might be
on the stand for that many days. That seems wild
to me because the most we've seen, how long did
Cassie testify for?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Three four days?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Maybe I think maybe twenty hours on the stand total
is what it was, but I think it went over
three days at least.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And that was they were on a stort deadline and
timeline with her because she was literally about to give birth,
so they were sensitive to her medical condition and tried
to speed things up. But that seems wild to me
that there was any concern on and maybe they're just posturing.
I don't know that the prosecution was concerned that somehow
that would be an issue for her to catch this
flight next Thursday, but we shall see about that. Also,
(10:05):
of note, I wanted to bring this up because yesterday's
podcast I actually was wondering who recorded that surveillance video.
We were talking about how the surveillance video that was
so much a part of yesterday's testimony, how it was released,
how it got out. If Eddie Garcia, the security guard,
gave Ditty the only copy in that USB guard to
(10:29):
of the video, who recorded it on their cell phone.
You were saying, that was what happened. Someone recorded it
from their cell phone. Well we found out who it was.
It was another security guard and the reason was kind
of crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I like to give people grace, and I do, and
you caught up in the moment you're seeing this thing.
But he said he only recorded it because he wanted
to show it to his wife. Now, this is an
issue here. Every single day we have a Ditty episode
of any kind, someone else comes up and you go, wow,
that was another person who saw crime take place and
did nothing. That's tough. They were just so we talk
(11:03):
about enablers, and we talk about people that were around Diddy,
but there are so many people outside of Ditty's world
who got a glimpse into it and had photographic video
evidence of it and did nothing. Some people got paid
off to not call the police and say we just
saw this man beat the shit out of this woman.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
These are these are tough. We're hearing more and more
of these stories. It's just that's and to think for
something as mundane and stupid as I just want to
show my wife, that's horrific. And I'm sorry to this
to the security guard. I don't know what your circumstances are.
I don't know what was going on at the time,
and I just want to give people grace in a moment.
(11:45):
But that is it. A lot of this is tough
to get your head around.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
We were talking about it yesterday because when that came
out that that was the reason.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
He said, you know, here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I saw it, and I wanted to tell my wife
about it, but I knew if I told my wife
what I saw, she wouldn't leave me. So I had
to have evidence proof for her to believe me that
I just saw Sean Diddycombs beating up his then girlfriend
Cassie Vntura Fine, and that is the only reason. It
wasn't for money, it wasn't for protection or insurance, which
(12:15):
is what we were possibly thinking it was. It was
simply to say, look what happened. It was voyeurism, and yes,
nothing was done about a crime that clearly they both
witnessed watching and he was so excited to show his
wife what he saw. It makes you feel a little
sick to your stomach. And again not trying to judge anyone,
but it's just all of the of the people who
(12:37):
dropped the ball or made an excuse or had an
ulterior motive, or even maybe just the worst part of
you just came out and you thought, wow, this is
cool or fun. And people, you know, we all get
caught up in it with clickbait, watching other people suffer,
watching unspeakable acts and not recognizing the human toll and
the human costs and what our responsibility it is as
(13:00):
human beings to report it, to acknowledge it, to do
something about it, but not just to sit back and
either laugh at it or gawk at it. And I
think that was just for whatever reason that stood out
so much to me yesterday, and again not to throw
a stone, because all of us are guilty of it
in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
If we're watching, you know, it's like watching a train wreck.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
People say they use that phrase all the time, but
this was just such an egregious example of it. It
just stood out and made it like there's so many
moments in this trial, sadly where you just feel sick
to your stomach and think about how let down so
many of these women were by the people who were
either closest to them or the people who had direct
knowledge of what was happening.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
What they feared him. They feared for their lives, They
feared for their jobs and careers, they feared financially, they
feared You keep hearing people on the stand who are
around him, who were in his world, who worked for him,
say they feared him. These are now four extra people,
four people who weren't in his world, who who didn't
(14:02):
receive threats of violence from him over the years, who
weren't beaten. Who were These are four people who saw
video evidence of a horrific crime. They saw a woman
get beat and three of them took money not to
say something, and the other one went home to show
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his wife and have the two of them just gawk
at it. This was eight years ago, and that's tough,
and that's just tough. And the guy the video, they
went through it. The jury saw it so much yesterday
and maybe we should all consider this. The jury saw
(14:43):
it a bunch because the prosecution had the video forensic
expert up there, going through frame by frame and explaining
a lot of stuff. I think it was called tedious testimony,
but it was necessary testimony. Fine, But they saw a
bunch with the prosecution. And then the defense got up
and showed the video some more and frame by frame
and stopping it and stop. And the theory goes robes
(15:03):
is that you show it to the jury enough, they
might become desensitized to it.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
That's terrible.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You might get them to a point to where, oh, yeah,
we've seen that video and it stops being the horror
show that it is. That legal experts are looking at
it those two way. Yes, the prosecution wants to show
it to you right, just to burn it in your memory,
But maybe you want to show it so much? Are
we all now when that video pops up? Do we
look at it and just go, yeah, there it is again?
(15:31):
Do do we not get horrified every time anymore?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I don't know, babe, I just got chills.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I hadn't even thought about that as a defense tactic,
and that makes me even feel worse. I Mean, we've
talked about this as journalists covering all of these school
shootings that at a certain point people do get desensitized.
Oh how many kids died? How many people died? And
then that makes it more important or less important.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
How many people have done that high school shooting? Oh,
four dead? Okay, not a big deal, because we're used
to the fifteen in the twenties and the thirties and
all these shootings. Yeah, are you who if you're listening,
have you been guilty of that? Do we do that?
I don't know. It's just so much and everything seems
like a tragedy, and everything seemed horrific. But I don't know.
We've become desensitized to monsters, even to a certain degree,
(16:15):
because we're used to so much bad behavior. I suppose
I don't know this one got me, and I'd say
it every day, like, oh, I didn't know this person
was in on it too. Oh I didn't know this
person saw it too. Man, A bunch of people could
have picked up the phone.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And you know what we say every time we cover
anything like a school shooting or anything that seems to
be repeated or happening over years, where people turn to
blind eye or got desensitized to it. We keep saying,
this time, people will wake up. This time, people will
act differently. This time, people will change how they feel
and react and really take note of these moments and say,
I'm going to do better.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I'm going to be better next time. And so you know,
I was. I'm hopeful.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'll always try to remain hopeful that seeing and hearing
what's happening in that courtroom and seeing witness after witness
say basically the same thing, and hearing from a witness
saying that Sean detecombs himself, called himself the devil. You know,
I hope that there will be changes and people will
feel empowered to speak up and to speak out to
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know that there can be justice. But it can't happen
unless people come forward. It can't happen unless you do
the hard thing and the right thing, and instead of
acting out of fear, you act out of love. And
that's a really hard thing to do, and it's a
really hard switch to flip sometimes. But that is my takeaway,
and I hope as we continue to watch this trial,
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that can be more people's takeaways.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
All right, well, folks, we will continue to keep you
informed here Again. A later start to the day today
as we record this here on Thursday, June fifth, so
a later start as we record this, but it could
be a longer day in court. They could possibly go
a little longer. We'll update you on that tomorrow, but
for now, I'm TJ. Holmes alongside Amy will back my
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party and you'll be kind each other, all right. Mtation,
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Speaker 1 (18:06):
Thetation, the detent
Welcome everyone to Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
It is Thursday, June fifth, and the Didy trial is
about to get underway once again. This is the fourth
full week of testimony. I'm Amy Robock along with my
partner TJ.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Holmes.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Starting a little later this morning than typical mornings. Testimony
doesn't begin until eleven am, but they will begin with
wrapping up that cross examination of Brianna Bunglin, and she
certainly had a lot to say yesterday.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yeah, why are they starting late today?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
We don't know. There were some procedural issues, but they
said they were starting late. And interestingly enough, the prosecution
is concerned about being behind schedule right now for their
big star witness that may take the stand later today.
Jane is the pseudonym she's using, but apparently she has
to catch an international flight a week from today and
they're worried that all these delays and even starting later
(00:55):
today might cause some problems for her and that flight.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Well, yeah, we see what happens there. But we got
another full day of testimony that's in the books now,
So let's go through what happened for everybody yesterday again.
As we sit here at this recording court is about
to get underway. So no testimony as of yet, as
of this moment, as of this recording. So as we've
been doing, we'll go through what a full day that's
already in the books. And yes, Brianna bongle In, I
(01:20):
guess the headline that kept coming out of that was
she was the of course X or friend of Ditty's
X cause EVENTU or fine And this incident wrotes we've
been hearing so much about. We got it first person.
Brianna Bonlein is the one that we've been hearing about.
Was dangled over a balcony by Diddy.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, she says that Diddy bangles her off that seventeen
floor balcony. It was Cassie's La apartment, and she testified
to jurors indirect testimony and in cross examination that she
still does not know why it happened or what he
meant when he said as he was she said, he
was dangling her over that balcony. You know what the
(02:00):
f you did? She said that Diddy was saying this repeatedly,
yelling that at her, and to this day she doesn't
know what he meant by it, but she said she
was shaking, she was so scared and when he finally
for those, she said ten to fifteen seconds she was
dangling over that balcony. He finished it by throwing her
against the patty of furniture. She says she sustained injuries
(02:21):
from that throw, and she says she still suffers, wakes
up screaming and is haunted by that moment, those fifteen
seconds where she said she felt like she might die.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
And I really, folks a reminder. This was back in
twenty sixteen. She was staying at a case of interrofinance
house her apartment out in LA with another friend. They
heard the banging on the door and it was remarkable
for her to her first instinct was to tell her
friend to hide in the bathroom. She told a friend
to go in there and be quiet. So her friend
and her words wrote she she didn't want her to
(02:53):
be involved and be subject to some of the stuff
that she had witnessed, so she essentially just kept one
person out of it. She didn't want her to be
subjected to it. So the friend didn't see it. Cassie
venture Fine didn't see it, so really it was only
Ditty and Brianna Bongaling. Cassie Sell some of the aftermaths,
she said, But they're going after her in the cross examination,
at least, trying to poke holes in her story and robes.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
This is what.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Yes, we've seen defense attorneys do this. I don't know
how effective it is, but little things she's she can't
recall correctly. She told one group that she was a
prosecutors that she was smoking a cigarette out there, but
it turns out on the stand she says she was
smoking weed. I know that seems minor, but point by
point they are going through and showing different ways that
she has not been accurate in her accounting of that story.
(03:40):
The point being well, if she got some of these
details wrong or she confused, what other details could she
possibly be getting wrong?
Speaker 1 (03:46):
That's right?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
And she admitted on the stand that she had been
using cocaine and f actually talked a lot about the
drug use that she did with Cassie Ventura Fine and
with Ditty himself. She meant that they repeatedly and often
used marijuana, cocaine, ketamine, ecstasy, GHB. It was a long
(04:08):
list of drugs, and she said, look, we all had
a problem. Interestingly enough, she actually wanted to make a
distinction because This was something they also tried to poke
holes at. She said the prosecution, or at least the investigators,
got it wrong. They conflated to events. There was the
event she says that happened at Cassie Ventur's apartment where
she says Diddy dangled her over that balcony, But she
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said previously, earlier in that year, in twenty sixteen, she
was on a photo shoot with Cassie Ventur Fine, and
she said Diddy came up to her, got right in
her face and said, I'm the devil and I could
kill you. She says that she doesn't know what prompted it,
but that that happened, that she was terrified, and even
though that all occurred, she claims she still continued to
(04:51):
see Sean Combs, she still continued to see Cassie Ventur.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
She still continued to put herself.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
In their world and around them, and that's what defense
attorneys were also trying to come at her similar to
what they did with me, And why would you keep
coming back? Why would you stay in the same vicinity
with someone who basically said that they were the devil
and could possibly kill you. And she just really didn't
have a good answer for that.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Look, there was a lot of I don't remember, I
don't recall, I don't remember, I don't remember, I don't remember.
That's effective where it can be, or is the reason
that defense attorneys do this, because if you can't remember
that part of the story, then maybe you're not remembering
the other part of the story. They did get at
her motivation. She does have a ten million dollar lawsuit
pending against Sean Diddy Combs right now. She her words,
(05:35):
she said, yes, I don't want the ten million. If
you would take this memory away, that's fine, and we understand,
but she is it is worth noting. But this is
the first time we have actually attached a name to it.
This story. We've heard about so many times about the
balcony situation. Cassie been ter refined had this in her lawsuit?
She said she asked. Brianna Bonglean says she was asked
(05:56):
by Cassie if she could put that in her lawsuit
aim and she said nope. So that's why we haven't
gotten the name yet. But she's another Robes that's under
an immunity deal and to be up there on the stand,
you can see why she talked about a lot of
drug use, even selling drugs at some point to people.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, she actually her testimony was delayed a little bit
yesterday because she had to wait for the judge to
give her that immunity order. And surely when she started testifying,
you could understand why. And she did say that cassievan
touurfind did put that incident, of course in her lawsuit,
she just wasn't allowed to name her. And so now
you're right, this is the first time we were actually
attaching a name to that incident that we've heard so
(06:35):
much about. So when she takes the stand, actually momentarily,
defense attorneys say they still have anywhere from forty five
minutes to an hour left to cross examine her, so
they're still not done. We don't know what else they
want to try and say or do to discredit her.
But she's back up in the stand and she'll be
there for a little while. And because this is taking
longer than expected, we were initially expecting Enrique Santos to
(06:59):
take the stand after Breonna Bonglan is done today. He
was due to make an appearance to basically set up
the testimony for this Jane Doe character.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
We've heard so much.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
The third and potentially final alleged victim of Seawan Comb's,
Jane Doe is or was, excuse me, a girlfriend of
Sean Ditecombs, and she we believe was a part of
all of these freak offs, and she certainly says that
she too was abused, So so much anticipation about what
she's going to say, but unclear what Enrico Santas was
going to be able to to add to.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
This or at least set her up.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
We were told that perhaps he might be able to
explain some texts that the jury's about to see that
might shed some light into how you take Jane Doe's testimony,
but we don't know. Now. The prosecution saying it's going
so late and they're so concerned about Jane Doe's timeline
that they don't know if they can afford to put
Enrico Santos up on the witness stand.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
So that's to be TVD.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, that's has always been fourth of July. I think
they were trying to wrap things up, and then the
prosecution was doing so great, We're head of schedule, and
now all of a sudden, we're behind schedule, and the
defense has already talked about they're reordering some of their
folks on their list. So we don't know. I mean,
from recent indications, if you're reading Teelee used July fourth
seems like a bit of a pipe dream. The judge
(08:20):
wants it though. The judge absolutely wants that date and
wants him to stick to it, and he's tried to
move things along at several places. But even if they
have thirty to forty five minutes, so much of the
stuff that has been taking so much time, as all
these sidebars. They got to send the jury out so
they can argue about something in the courtroom. And look,
this is a bunch of a man's life is on
the line, period, So I would argue, you take all
the time you need on this thing, but there have
(08:41):
been so many delays because of sidebars.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Yeah. The judge actually even said late yesterday, I don't
know that the jurors were loving us because they've been
wrapping up around three pm Eastern time each day. The
judge suggested that perhaps they could have the jury start
to stay later on the days when Jane Doe is
testifying when she's on the stand, but he said that
the late they could probably delay it to was four
pm tomorrow because of a scheduling issue, but we may
(09:04):
see longer days starting next week.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
And this is actually a note. If Jane Doe actually.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
Takes the stand today TJ and begins her testimony, they're
worried about her catching a flight a week from today.
That's hard to imagine that they think she might be
on the stand for that many days. That seems wild
to me because the most we've seen, how long did
Cassie testify for?
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Three four days?
Speaker 3 (09:28):
Maybe I think maybe twenty hours on the stand total
is what it was, but I think it went over
three days at least.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
And that was they were on a stort deadline and
timeline with her because she was literally about to give birth,
so they were sensitive to her medical condition and tried
to speed things up. But that seems wild to me
that there was any concern on and maybe they're just posturing.
I don't know that the prosecution was concerned that somehow
that would be an issue for her to catch this
flight next Thursday, but we shall see about that. Also,
(10:05):
of note, I wanted to bring this up because yesterday's
podcast I actually was wondering who recorded that surveillance video.
We were talking about how the surveillance video that was
so much a part of yesterday's testimony, how it was released,
how it got out. If Eddie Garcia, the security guard,
gave Ditty the only copy in that USB guard to
(10:29):
of the video, who recorded it on their cell phone.
You were saying, that was what happened. Someone recorded it
from their cell phone. Well we found out who it was.
It was another security guard and the reason was kind
of crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
I like to give people grace, and I do, and
you caught up in the moment you're seeing this thing.
But he said he only recorded it because he wanted
to show it to his wife. Now, this is an
issue here. Every single day we have a Ditty episode
of any kind, someone else comes up and you go, wow,
that was another person who saw crime take place and
did nothing. That's tough. They were just so we talk
(11:03):
about enablers, and we talk about people that were around Diddy,
but there are so many people outside of Ditty's world
who got a glimpse into it and had photographic video
evidence of it and did nothing. Some people got paid
off to not call the police and say we just
saw this man beat the shit out of this woman.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
These are these are tough. We're hearing more and more
of these stories. It's just that's and to think for
something as mundane and stupid as I just want to
show my wife, that's horrific. And I'm sorry to this
to the security guard. I don't know what your circumstances are.
I don't know what was going on at the time,
and I just want to give people grace in a moment.
(11:45):
But that is it. A lot of this is tough
to get your head around.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
We were talking about it yesterday because when that came
out that that was the reason.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
He said, you know, here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I saw it, and I wanted to tell my wife
about it, but I knew if I told my wife
what I saw, she wouldn't leave me. So I had
to have evidence proof for her to believe me that
I just saw Sean Diddycombs beating up his then girlfriend
Cassie Vntura Fine, and that is the only reason. It
wasn't for money, it wasn't for protection or insurance, which
(12:15):
is what we were possibly thinking it was. It was
simply to say, look what happened. It was voyeurism, and yes,
nothing was done about a crime that clearly they both
witnessed watching and he was so excited to show his
wife what he saw. It makes you feel a little
sick to your stomach. And again not trying to judge anyone,
but it's just all of the of the people who
(12:37):
dropped the ball or made an excuse or had an
ulterior motive, or even maybe just the worst part of
you just came out and you thought, wow, this is
cool or fun. And people, you know, we all get
caught up in it with clickbait, watching other people suffer,
watching unspeakable acts and not recognizing the human toll and
the human costs and what our responsibility it is as
(13:00):
human beings to report it, to acknowledge it, to do
something about it, but not just to sit back and
either laugh at it or gawk at it. And I
think that was just for whatever reason that stood out
so much to me yesterday, and again not to throw
a stone, because all of us are guilty of it
in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
If we're watching, you know, it's like watching a train wreck.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
People say they use that phrase all the time, but
this was just such an egregious example of it. It
just stood out and made it like there's so many
moments in this trial, sadly where you just feel sick
to your stomach and think about how let down so
many of these women were by the people who were
either closest to them or the people who had direct
knowledge of what was happening.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
What they feared him. They feared for their lives, They
feared for their jobs and careers, they feared financially, they
feared You keep hearing people on the stand who are
around him, who were in his world, who worked for him,
say they feared him. These are now four extra people,
four people who weren't in his world, who who didn't
(14:02):
receive threats of violence from him over the years, who
weren't beaten. Who were These are four people who saw
video evidence of a horrific crime. They saw a woman
get beat and three of them took money not to
say something, and the other one went home to show
(14:22):
his wife and have the two of them just gawk
at it. This was eight years ago, and that's tough,
and that's just tough. And the guy the video, they
went through it. The jury saw it so much yesterday
and maybe we should all consider this. The jury saw
(14:43):
it a bunch because the prosecution had the video forensic
expert up there, going through frame by frame and explaining
a lot of stuff. I think it was called tedious testimony,
but it was necessary testimony. Fine, But they saw a
bunch with the prosecution. And then the defense got up
and showed the video some more and frame by frame
and stopping it and stop. And the theory goes robes
(15:03):
is that you show it to the jury enough, they
might become desensitized to it.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
That's terrible.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
You might get them to a point to where, oh, yeah,
we've seen that video and it stops being the horror
show that it is. That legal experts are looking at
it those two way. Yes, the prosecution wants to show
it to you right, just to burn it in your memory,
But maybe you want to show it so much? Are
we all now when that video pops up? Do we
look at it and just go, yeah, there it is again?
(15:31):
Do do we not get horrified every time anymore?
Speaker 1 (15:34):
I don't know, babe, I just got chills.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I hadn't even thought about that as a defense tactic,
and that makes me even feel worse. I Mean, we've
talked about this as journalists covering all of these school
shootings that at a certain point people do get desensitized.
Oh how many kids died? How many people died? And
then that makes it more important or less important.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
How many people have done that high school shooting? Oh,
four dead? Okay, not a big deal, because we're used
to the fifteen in the twenties and the thirties and
all these shootings. Yeah, are you who if you're listening,
have you been guilty of that? Do we do that?
I don't know. It's just so much and everything seems
like a tragedy, and everything seemed horrific. But I don't know.
We've become desensitized to monsters, even to a certain degree,
(16:15):
because we're used to so much bad behavior. I suppose
I don't know this one got me, and I'd say
it every day, like, oh, I didn't know this person
was in on it too. Oh I didn't know this
person saw it too. Man, A bunch of people could
have picked up the phone.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And you know what we say every time we cover
anything like a school shooting or anything that seems to
be repeated or happening over years, where people turn to
blind eye or got desensitized to it. We keep saying,
this time, people will wake up. This time, people will
act differently. This time, people will change how they feel
and react and really take note of these moments and say,
I'm going to do better.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I'm going to be better next time. And so you know,
I was. I'm hopeful.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
I'll always try to remain hopeful that seeing and hearing
what's happening in that courtroom and seeing witness after witness
say basically the same thing, and hearing from a witness
saying that Sean detecombs himself, called himself the devil. You know,
I hope that there will be changes and people will
feel empowered to speak up and to speak out to
(17:12):
know that there can be justice. But it can't happen
unless people come forward. It can't happen unless you do
the hard thing and the right thing, and instead of
acting out of fear, you act out of love. And
that's a really hard thing to do, and it's a
really hard switch to flip sometimes. But that is my takeaway,
and I hope as we continue to watch this trial,
(17:32):
that can be more people's takeaways.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
All right, well, folks, we will continue to keep you
informed here Again. A later start to the day today
as we record this here on Thursday, June fifth, so
a later start as we record this, but it could
be a longer day in court. They could possibly go
a little longer. We'll update you on that tomorrow, but
for now, I'm TJ. Holmes alongside Amy will back my
(17:57):
party and you'll be kind each other, all right. Mtation,
the
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Thetation, the detent
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