Chauncey Billups MARKED For Death + Jake Paul & Gervonta Sales FLOPPED + Paul Pierce WARNED Everyone

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, yo, welcome back. I go by Big Loan.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
You know the vibes you are now locked in with
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I wanted to start to separate the solo episodes from
the episodes that I have with guests, get some brand
consistency for all of you to tune in, just so

(00:25):
you can understand what you're clicking on and what to respect.
To understand that when this kind drops, this is known
when he just in this bag, when this kind of
episode drops with this thumb nail in this kind of title,
this is a guest episode on this up there podcast
with someone from the culture that I'm just interested in.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I don't have high retention for a lot of content.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I'm understanding now again how I explained in the last
episode that taste is becoming more important and more at
the forefront of conversation because we're now overloaded with too
much to choose from. Everyone one is streaming, everyone is pardon,
everyone is trying to tap into the fan base, and
so from an algorithm standpoint, I can understand how it

(01:10):
gets difficult for the algorithm to even realize who would
win and well, and so if I'm being completely honest
with the casual listener or watcher, for all of the
creators that's making a living, let's just say on YouTube,
God has blessed us. We make a living off our
show from a couple of different avenues, and we want

(01:32):
a ten x that going into the next year. But
I do understand that for people who just upload on
let's just take YouTube and.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Use that YouTube.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
There was a report that just came out, well YouTube
in the last in the last year, I believe, and
these numbers could be off, but in the last year
it was several billion dollars that they.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Have distributed to creators.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
And that's also this high interest from YouTube in which
they want to be the number one distributor and hub
for music. They came out publicly and let that be known,
and so what I expected some aggressive moves in the
market to back those statements, because to put that on
the record, it's basically to put the town on notice.
The big dogs are coming to play in that area.

(02:17):
That Apple and Spotify and some of these companies have
been dominating for so long, and we see that it's
kind of fractured and so I think this is right
on time for YouTube to really come in and put
their thumb on the scale and see what they can
get out of it. I think they'll be productive because
the audience is on YouTube. But for a creator that

(02:37):
just uploads on YouTube, you typically are fighting for algorithm
position because the algorithm showing your content to people has
as much to do with how many views it has
as the quality of the content. Now, you can rewind
that and try to make that make sense, but the
quality of the content is one thing. But if the

(02:57):
algorithm doesn't respond to it and present send it to
the people like, no, you should be watching this. If
you pay attention to YouTube, sometimes you'll open the app
and you will see a video and maybe you scroll
by and you close the app and you get back
on the app later on and the video pops up again.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's typically a video either you.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Showed interesting prior to meaning your search history represents that
this is something that you would watch, or they have
now positioned that video in the algorithm because of the
click through radars, some kind of indicators that's letting YouTube's
algorithm to know put this video in position. The more

(03:40):
those you get, the high your grade is the more
they're like, there's a whole system going on, and at
some point I'm gonna teach that system. It's just not
right now. But I want to just put some context
setting around it and let you know that typically people
are fighting for algorithm spots if they just upload on YouTube,
and so as the market it's oversaturated, those algorithm spots

(04:04):
get took from you depending on how frequent you drop,
depending on the interest in the video. That's why it's
a competitive market. If we're being honest about content creation,
it's a very competitive market. There's a lot happening. Like today,
we're gonna cover the Chauncey Billups stuff, the gambling stuff.
The unique thing about us is typically we have some

(04:25):
what of a perspective that people appreciate, and of course
we do a lot of study and a lot of
knowledge to make sure that we maintain some level of
some level of comprehension and camaraderie in our statements and
what we present to the public. But everyone in this
niche that we are in and the content creation side

(04:46):
of the business that we're on, most people are gonna
talk about this, and so what makes your takes different
than the other people takes is always the question. And
that's the reason why some things I don't cover because
other people cover them such in such detail that you know,
there's so much to talk about it, so much going on,
but we got a lot to talk about. Of course,

(05:08):
I heard academics, I heard what he said. A lot
of y'all sent it to me. A lot of y'all
tagged me in the community. I see y'all saying that, Yo,
why this dude always hating on long? Some of y'all
are new, y'all don't know what's going on, and so
we're gonna we're gonna speak about that. There's a couple
of different things I'm gonna talk about for next two times. Man,

(05:29):
you know, I gotta I got a great show planning
for you guys today and hopefully you enjoy. Let's get
to it now before we move on, let me tackle
this conversation really quick. I think this is probably the
proper time for us to kind of delve into it
a little bit. Marshawn kneeling and I only want to
have this conversation because as I age, right and I

(05:52):
look at my children that's starting to develop in a way.
What a residue of things that they've went through at
the younger age is now starting to be a parent,
and me as a parent looking at what's a parent
on my children, it's a flashback for me. I was
talking to my son the other day and see, I

(06:14):
talked to both of my children on a real level,
like they know, I'm talking to him about everything.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
We ain't even having.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
No type boundaries, right, whatever it is, we own that,
whatever it is, we're approaching that, and I'm giving them game.
I like that they asked me questions though. I think
that's one of the more favorite parts about being a father,
is that they trust me with whatever information I'm giving them.
But here's the thing about that, because it gets tricky

(06:41):
because when you do have children that do take in
consideration the things that you're pouring to him and say
to him. Now, it starts to play on your conscious
because even if I answer something in the moment, it'll
be four or five days later I'm still thinking about,
what's that the right thing to tell your son because
he gonna live by die by that. Both of my
sons have asked me something the other day, right, because

(07:03):
they getting in the age, and of course this is
t mine, but you understand me. You know how I
get down. I fuck with childlife, family. I'm having a
big audience, but it is what it is, right, each
one teach one. Yeah, as long as we can reach one,
you hear me. I'm dealing with my little boys. So I

(07:24):
shoot up to the you know, I'm one of the
eliest niggas in Nebraska. I shoot up to the waldmart.
I go get some rubbers because I'm understanding my children
not getting to the age where I was already past
go at this point, and I know they gonna watch this,
so I'm gonna use colded language, y'all. Pick up when
I'm putting down adults, because see they be watching me,

(07:47):
laughing at what I'm saying about them and things. So
you know I'm gonna try to, Yeah, just pick up
when I'm putting down. You know, I'm understanding that they
getting to a point now where they getting a little curious.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
You know, they both got a little girl.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Friends and being involved with girls in ways where it's like,
you know, I know I'm going this way with it now.
You understand me, because you know, as a daddy, we
looking for signs. Man, which the way my kids going, Man,
it's a trick out here Nowada. Man, with the way
my son's going with this here. So I'm watching and

(08:22):
I see both of my son's headed you know a
certain way. So I'm saying, okay, cool. As they get
to this age, I want to prepare them for some
of the speed bumps on the road.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
The richest. See.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
I speak life to my children, and I ain't never
had nobody to do that for me. When I speak
to my children, it's always, man, you you gonna be
a man. You can't do that. You're finsa be a Meian.
Now they be saying, Man, I mean I ain't a
tend you understand. I might break them all the way
out with that right there. Man, I might push up
on my son. They may say, Man, he was in
here beating on the table. I might pull it my side. Man,

(08:58):
you can't be beating on the table when you're finnah
be a messian. Now you think me Naws is beating
on the tape. He probably like, Man, I'm thirteen.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Man.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
But they gonna remember when they get older. They dude
used to always pull into us. They don't understand that's
pouring into them. Expectations. Hopefully you believe in yourself, cause
Daddy believe in you.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
I'm trying to give them that because I understand sometimes
that's what gets you over the last hump. A lot
of guys quit right before it's done because they don't
got their last little push. And sometimes that last little
push is your uncle, your daddy, your cousin, and your
people in your head saying you one of the eliest
niggas in Nebraska.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Believe you me.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
There's a lot of people out here in this success
world that's very successful that ain't nobody ever told them,
no one that matters ever told them that they were
great at what they do.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
And so my children.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
And so as I get them prepared, you know, for
sexual education with their father. You know, I go to
the store and now I get some I don't know
if these is c cumbers or whatever they is. I
get some ccumbers and some rubbers, and I'm having a

(10:22):
conversation with my children, and so I bought some regular
sized condoms. But for the sake of the experiment, let
me go break out the little box. See, they ain't
old enough to know about the little box. He daddy
got a little box back here. You understand me, Yeah,
you understand me. Daddy got a little box back. Yeah,

(10:44):
you know what I mean. I was talking to some
people in the community yesterday. They were asking me our loan.
You know, he probably kind of negae. He don't like
for his girl to use the roles. Man, don't make
me break out the championship bil Man, Me and the Roses,
the tag team, champions of the world. Man, Man, I

(11:05):
put the rolls on them. Man, listen, Man, I take
my time. You understand me, But you know I break
the box out. You understand me. I walk back to
the other side of the house.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
They sitting in there, They already laughing, They already looking
at each other like, man, my daddy, our daddy is
really fit to show us about a condom. But I
know they appreciated this. I'm gonna tell you how in
a minute. This is crazy shit. And if you ain't
a father, you missing out on these kind of things.
And I think you a piece of shit kind of nigga.
You understand me, Yeah, you know what I mean. But

(11:41):
so I rush back in the other side of the house.
I get in there, they sitting down. I break out
the two magnum condoms. Yeah, the ones in the Gold
Rapper right now. Taking man, these is little rookies. Brother,
they don't know nothing about the Gold Rapper. So I
break out the Gold Rapper. They just looking so boom,

(12:02):
I break three of them out. Boom bus this was over.
Give him his give him here. They bust him open.
I said, now look at it. They grabbing it like man,
it's slamming right. So I take him through the entire process.
Show him how to I'm gonna get to the point.
Show him how to put it, Show him how to
put it on the cucumber. Talk to him about sexual education,
talk to him about don't even make the mistake right now, bro,

(12:25):
don't even break the seal. You understanding me, because if
you break the seal, my nigga, man, it gets rough
on you. You know what I'm saying. I'm telling you
you got a lot of life to live.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
Man.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Just hold what you got, you understand, get your hustle together.
You got shit to do. That my model for my kids.
Boy you got shit to do. Boy, boy, you got
shit to do. That's all I'm kicking to him. Boy,
you got shit to do. You hear what I'm telling you, boy,
you got shit to do. Hey, you hit me. Look
at me. He's your daddy talking to you. The nigga
that done done shit, you got shit to do. Yeah,

(12:58):
that's how I'm coming here in time. And here's where
the question come in. And I say this is these
are the questions makes you think thrill. Four days later,
Damn did I tell him the right thing? And you
got to revisit it. So of course I bring out
the gold rapper, the fuck with the Q come and
letting him know how to put it on, teach him

(13:18):
about sexual education. But when I go to give them
they little rough condoms, I bust out the Trojan john.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
You understand me.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
So when I hand them the trojan joint, my oldest son,
he go over there and washing his hands and shit,
you know what I mean, cause they thinking the rubbers
is sliming. He go over there, washing his hands. He said,
hey Dad, him and his little brother they both standing
over there. They said hey dadd and they mans your question.
I said, anything a in the world, Yeah, nigga, you

(13:51):
know you canna ask me. Can't many niggas ask me nothing,
but you too. Anything ain't get in the world. Man,
I got an answer for you. Get what he ho
how you know what size condom you need? I would flyabbergasted.
I was lawful words. I was like, damn, how do

(14:14):
you explain that? And so in the moment, I probably
just gave him a little riddle or something, you know,
just kicking flavor with my children. But later on in
that day I had to revisit that. Go holler, let
him because I don't want to send you in there
with something too little. He gonna pop sooner he get
on location. Yeah, if he real tight, he gonna pop soooning.

(14:36):
So I'm sending you in a feeling mission. And it's
on your daddy to tell you this, right, So you know,
I had to revisit it and let him know. Man,
just you gotta try different ones on and you will
know at some point. But don't go in with the
one too little, because he ain't gonna be worth nothing
for under ten seconds. Yeah, one or two little bumping

(14:57):
grind that boy busting on you me And now you
donet change your life. You done alter your living experience,
you know what I mean? And I think you got
a lot of life to live and you got shit
to do. But that's just the relationship I have with
my children. And so it reminds me that, yo, bro,
they getting to the age where they really are paying

(15:18):
attention to you, Like they're going to school and like, yo,
I want to be a podcaster, like just to hear
them say that, or just to hear a teacher tell
me that, or just to hear the counselman or somebody
from the school like, yo, we didn't know you did
podcast or sone says he wanted to be a podcaster.
I'm like, oh, man, damn, I gotta really put this
shit down. Them nigga walking right behind me like it's

(15:41):
right here. This is what men don't understand, your children
walking right behind you like it's right here, even if
you don't think they watch it, especially if you really
are productive. And there's no better feeling for me than
my children knowing that my daddy wanted to want who
your dad?

Speaker 1 (15:58):
Man? My dadd hold on, let me man, don't let
me call my card.

Speaker 2 (16:02):
I know I couldn't really kick that, but it feels
good when you know your children can call on you
no matter what, and they know that, Yo, I can
stand in that paint. I win't ate nothing. Let me
call my daddy right quick. How many of us it?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
They be put Yeah, man, it's seventeen us that. Yeah,
Daddy gonna make sure we you know what I mean
that some shit is outrageous. You got to pull them
flag out, man, flag on the play y'all board door
too much and keep withdrawing. But I love my children, man,
and you know, I just wanted to share that with y'all,

(16:37):
But I really wanted to talk about Marshaan Kneeling. Marshan
Kneeland was twenty four years old. He was a defensive
end for the Dallas Cowboys. Just last weekend, he made
headlines for the first time in his NFL career. Scored
a touchdown off a block punt. The stadium went wild,
His teammates swarmed in, and he had a big smile

(16:57):
on his face. Many people in the stadium said it
looked like the beginning of something special. But a few
days later, that same young man was gone. Early Thursday morning,
in Frisco, Texas, police Saint Marshawn led them on a
short pursuit after a traffic stop, his car crashed, he

(17:17):
ran off on foot. A few month moments later, he
turned the gun on himself, report save Texas family goodbye,
and that he's been struggling mentally quietly. I think that's
something poetic when you think about it. It was days

(17:37):
after his first touchdown, his dream moment, the young man
took his own life. I want to speak about depression
today because I was having a conversation with a few people,
and I'm not sure people understand that depression does not discriminate.
You can be living your dream wearing a jersey you

(18:00):
paid for, driving the car you really want it, running
a seven figure, eight figure, nine figure, ten figure trillion
dollar a year business, married the woman you want it,
live in the home you want it. Depression does not
discriminate because while you're living your dream life, you can

(18:23):
be silently fighting a ward that no one else can see.
And this is the thing about depression and the reason
I want to have this conversation, because when I was
having it, they were pushing back on me and saying, well,
man's mothering them.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Had to know. It had to be some signs.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
It had to leave some signs when you are someone
that's in this kind of situation, and it gotta be
some signs if you depressed it gotta leave some signs. Unfortunately,
I disagree. I think that depression and people who are
depressed are some of the greatest masks wearers. They're probably

(18:57):
greater actors than the people that are winning the Academy Award.
There's people that you work next to that probably work
for you. There's people that work with you. There's people
that work against you that are dealing with silent wars.
This is all inclusive standard, I think in our culture,
and particularly for the people that have garnered some sort

(19:21):
of success. I was reading something about Durant that's made
more money than Lebron Like I think they got him
up to six hundred million just with his NBA contracts
allude to Durant. We want to talk about how we
understand that success does not shield you from depression. Success

(19:45):
does not protect you from depression. What will happen is
you'll deal with people in your family because you done
made a certain amount of money or you've worked hard.
God is, you're in a position to be financially stable,
and you will have people in your life that will

(20:06):
consider you okay because you got money. We know the
people who don't call and ask how are you? They
call and ask for us something we've all dealt with
it before. But in our culture it's almost like that
people in your family, little people you deal with women.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
A lot of us.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
We tend to think success protects you and because you
got money, maybe you can take a little bit more
than we can. There's no way you could be depressed.
You play for the league. This was some of the conversation. Man,
you in the league, man, and folks can't be depressed. Man, Man,
something doesn't happen man if folk cannot be depressed. And
so I want to take the conversation off this young
man because the time is too sensitive, right and I

(20:50):
also understand that this is a very sensitive conversation surrounding intentions,
and so we want to definitely say all right, we
want to say rest in peace, Marshan Kneeling.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
You left us too soon.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Your story definitely reminds us to check on our strong friends,
the ones that are smiling and the ones that we
think are good. So RP to him. I want to
really have a conversation. I want to zoom out a
little bit of have a conversation that I've been thinking about,
and I wonder do you guys share the same opinion.
I'm not the one that a rushing call things to

(21:26):
the carpet, in particular when it's dealing with a sensitive
subject like self transitioning, and I try to have some
sort of measured empathy dealing with people who may have
dealt with this. But that's been an uptick, and I
want to sincerely have this conversation and hopefully we're not
causing anyone in pain, so we vibrate high, so hopefully

(21:50):
we're not dragging anybody's vibration low. But I think we're
not going to be able to understand what's going on
without examining it. But if you're asking me, there's been
a noticeable uptick in some of the younger generation self transitioning,
particularly when there's some sort of police involvement. Now there's

(22:12):
a lot of conversation to have surrounding that. I think
this is what the second third football player that we've
seen get in a scenario where then quote unquote trouble
and then there's a self transition. When you deal with
me and what I've witnessed around the country, going to
different cities and states and speaking to the people. Because

(22:35):
I'm a man of the people, I deal directly with
the people. I've been hearing the people speak about a
young boy self transition when the police got involved. Is
this foul play on the part of the police. Are
they doing something and then blaming it on these dudes,
meaning are they underlive in these gentlemen and then framing

(22:57):
the scene to make it look like they're self transition.
I guess you can have that conversation go down the
rabbit hole. There's also another rabbit hole to go down
about are these degeneration of people who are due to
crime and just won't do the time no matter what.

(23:17):
And that's a rough conversation to have because people have
loved ones. Right now, when we zoom back in and
deal with the Marshawn Kney gentlemen, I'm not sure, but
I do want to say, just for the sake of conversation,
for the people to understand that the people who are

(23:39):
depressed in your life, the people you know that may
be depressed, they are. There's some indicators I don't disagree
with that. I'm saying they may not be outward indicators.
I've been around women who have been depressed and they
go outside and they look amazing, like.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
They get they they'll.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Do to make up in their hair, But if you
just open the door to their home, you'll understand that
this lady is.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Either nasty or depressed.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
And sometimes when you know the girl, you know she's
going through depression right now because she's not a nasty girl.
But other times you're dealing with a filthy animal.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Right.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
I think it's interesting we can understand, like you can
break your thumb, you can break your leg, you can
break your arm, you know your ribs. People don't believe
in your brain being able to be broken, and I
think sometimes people see it as weakness, so they don't

(24:41):
want to admit it, or we don't want to just
have a conversation. I send my prayers to Marshawn Needley
and his family, salute to them, and my prayers is
with you. Let's talk about Javonte Davis and his fight
being counseled. Let's look and see if we got any
press out on that. Javonte Davis versus Jake Paul was
supposed to go down November fourteenth in Miami, Florida. That

(25:06):
fight has now been canceled. We're gonna get into some
of the things surrounding that Javonte Davis is in an
interesting spot in his career, and we're gonna have a
conversation surrounding that here today. The first thing on the
docket for us to take a look at is what
there was a press release by Jake Paul announcing the

(25:28):
cancelation of the Javonte Davis fight presented by Netflix with
him versus Javonte Davis. Pay attention, people who are listening.
What we're looking at is Jake Paul with a message
he basically shaves Javonte Davis. He just calling him a

(25:52):
walking human piece of garbage, working with him as an
absolute nightmare of unprofessionalism, about our request to showing up
hours late, to shoots, to the numerous arrests and related
accusations and lawsuits. If you support this man, you support
the most vile seeing a man can commit. I don't
want to get this woman abuse of a platform to
growers fans and to growas bank account. My company champions women.

(26:17):
I'm so sorry that everyone involve, mostly to the undercar
fighters and to my team who works so hard in
prepping for his fight, sacrificing time and loved ones and kids,
just for this food to lose his unintelligent mind. Again,
it's scary that devilish men like this can rise to
the top of coaching sports, including positions of power. So
there's been accusations flying in the industry for like the

(26:41):
last week ten days, in which they've been reporting to
all of us, even me. I've received information about it.
I'm not sure if it's true or false. I didn't
reach to Javonte and anyone on his team to clarify,
but they have been speaking about I guess there's a
video of Ja Davis going to Tutsi's. They're saying that

(27:03):
I guess he drove thirty minutes, went in there and
grabbed a girl and got into it with a female
at Tutsy's, and which violence took place. I'm not sure
the validity of it, but I do understand that the
industry had that narrative going on for again about the
last ten days, and then they were saying that Jake

(27:25):
Paul was going to pull the fight.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Now the fight has been pulled.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
I think there's a lot to discuss with this, But
before I unpacked some of what I believe to be
the case, I want you to listen to the legend
Royd Jones and what he thinks. I have not seen
this video, so I don't even know what his approach
to it is. We may agree, we may disagree, but
let's listen to what Roy Jones Junior believes about the
Javonte Davis versus Jake Paul fight being canceled.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Pay attention.

Speaker 4 (27:53):
You're prought up influencers.

Speaker 5 (27:54):
I have to ask you know, Javonte was supposed to
face Jake Paul didn't work out, just the on that
whole thing.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Man, I really, I really don't.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Want to, you know, have much to say about that
because they're about to take it the bad way. But
all I'm gonna say is this shake Paul knew what
he was before he when he first signed a fighter.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
This had the first time he had better.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Against a woman. You knew what it was when you
first had a fighter. So don't get mad and customer
out and talk bad about him. Now you knew what
it was you signed up for it. Come on, broke,
don't say just not do that. Nobody talking. I don't
talk bad about him either, but don't do this dude
like that. No, you do having a hard time in
his life right now, don't just do him like that.
You know what I mean, because you knew exactly what
he was when you signed.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Him to fight the first time. All I gotta see
the Safe.

Speaker 5 (28:38):
Team has kind of been bringing that, like talking about
just some of Jake's passing more kind of.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Said that Jake saidies, he's actually afraid to fight.

Speaker 5 (28:46):
Take I mean, do you think it leaned a little
more on that side or and they're just selling it
the other way.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
I already know what it is, like I said, I
already know. I'll get into it, but no, we all
know when young guys go through his shoes, that's just life.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
I thing this great point you heard Theligen Roy Jones Junior.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
For people who did not see that, basically what he
said was you knew he had these allegations when you
went into business with him, So to use it kind
of as a scapegoat now seems a bit unbecoming of
a business person. And so again I do recognize that
this isn't the first allegation that Javonte has had, and

(29:25):
I'm sure Jake, Paul them knew that as well. That
is a great point. I want to more so focus
on Javonte Davis because I do want to send warrior energy,
warrior spirit.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
To Javonte Davis.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
I think he's going through what I call a catastrophic
career collapse right now. Not that his career is over,
but that's been a catastrophic event that has tooking place
in his career. And sometimes these things happen. If you
look around in the field, there's a lot of people
going through this right now. It's kind of their first
time being on the other side of the a ball
what things don't look as promising as maybe it has

(30:00):
in the past years. I believe Javonte Hard isn't in
it anymore. I think he's fighting out an anger. I
thought that Jake Paul would was like a refresher kind
of reset the palette. Something he can go and do
or have a little fun, get a big payday, kind
of rents him from some of that negative energy that
I believe to be on him from that last Lamont

(30:23):
Roach fight. The reason I think that the negative energy
was on him and it shout out to Lamont Roach,
But I don't believe Lamont Roach just handed an ass
whooping out like people are trying to say. I do
believe it was a close fight, but when I look
at that fight back. I think Javonte fought a better
fight than people are actually leading on. I understand how
that kneeling and need things should have been incorporated in

(30:46):
that fight, But I also want to say, when you
deal with a boxer like a Javonte Davis, who if
you're asking me, and I have no personal information, but
if you're asking me, he was chasing that mayweatherlight career
and while he stills had as the world that his
finger attempts, I believe him to understand that that opportunity
has now been taken off the table, and I think

(31:08):
that hurts more than anything that you can ever understand.
I think since he was a young man and he
knew Mayweather was and worked around him, I think he
shaped his understanding of the business of what he wanted
to be around Mayweather and what was that That was
the goose egg in the other side, that was the
twenty and oh to thirty and oh, the fort and oh,

(31:30):
ultimately the fifteen oh. And So when he loses that
zero to Lamont Roach not a loss but a draw,
it still don't hit the same as a zero over there.
It still doesn't give you that floored Mayweather effect, and
I'm almost certain that's what he was chasing. And I
think that he's been let down to a point where

(31:52):
it scrambled his hard well. And so now I think
his mindset has him in his feelings. And if you're
asking me, that's why he wouldn't take the fight with
of My Roach, because it would have been out of anger.
It wouldn't have been with a free spirit. It would
have been with a negative spirit. I don't want to
fight one of you niggas with a negative spirit. That's
how you trick me emotionally to move. I lose fucking

(32:14):
WHI with my emotions. And I'm knowing Javonte as much
as y'all say he running in having these issues, I'm
knowing he learning from I'm fucking up when I give
into my emotions. So if I give in to my
emotions and present Lamart Roach with this fight and put
everything on the line and make a mistake, then what
Now You're gonna have to fight him, But you're gonna

(32:35):
have to get your head back in the game first.
It's more easier said than done, especially when you already
got the money, especially when you can legitimately right now
and say, man, I already got the money, man, They
then not I already fucked my career up. As far
as what I was looking to do, I know I'll
go out as being one of the greatest of this generation.
But what I was looking to do is the top
their dude floor, because in my heart, I think I'm

(32:56):
better than Floyd, and I think that's part of what
him and Floyd. What this shoe was is that Javonte
in his hard see you can feel it with a
nigga around you, and he really thinks he is shit,
Like I really believe in me. These niggas just puppies.
They playing like I'm really standing on that. I'm really
your executive branch. That's why I don't like that the

(33:17):
boxing business has turned into that, is that if you
got that zero, man, that shit's so valuable. I watched
Deontay Wilder, someone I respect and want to have a
conversation with at some point, But I watched Deontay Wilder
crumble in the face of losing his zero I watched
Deontay Wilder crumble in the face of losing his undefeated record.

(33:39):
I can only imagine I was telling one of the homeboys,
it's like I couldn't imagine going to do a high
priority interview or maybe a week of footage with high
priority guests get to the house and it ain't on
the memory cards, because what then happens is whoever's in
that house most likely is my old lady. She has

(34:00):
to take the brunt of that attitude and that disappointment.
And so sometimes you will see these fighting niggas that
they'll run into the house like they'll go to that
press conference bust it up. Yeah, Na, he fought a
good fight. You know he's a champion. He's a true champion.
That left man, that left was coming straight down the middle.

(34:22):
I give it up to his team and his trained
I want to thank everybody for coming. Like they'll go
do their whole speech, then go in the house and
cause have it. Because that depression coming out and lost
my zero man, my career will never be the same.
Look how far Deontay Wilder feel down. He gotta now
build itself back up. Do I believe he can do it?

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:40):
If he works on his game. He has to work
on his boxing. We know you strong, we know you
gotta one hit to quit her. You have to work
on your skill set and not just when you shadow boxing.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
You gotta put somebody in front of.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
You and deal with them hitting you when you win
the wrong But I do think some of these events
all to the way people see the life they're worth.
Even That's what's interesting. A lot of athletes that worth
is tied to the outcome of these games, to that record,
and it's because their entire life has been intertwined with
this sport, and particularly if they went pro. You're dealing

(35:14):
with people who, at the age of twelve thirteen, this
is literally all they know. When it's time to hang
them boots up?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Whoe am I? What do I do?

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Javontae Davis now is an individual who is in the
middle of a tornado, and the emotional reaction is not
the right reactions. I was telling one of the homeboys
called me from the Fizz today. He was like, loing,
what you got going. I'm saying, man, I'm studying his
tax code, right, they say, I'm up the way I
can get a five million dollar I gotta I can

(35:42):
get a five million dollar line based on the business
and how the business is doing X, Y and Z,
and so I'm trying to understand the language and things
surrounding the financial district of America. So I'm not out
of the loop when people are running certain games on me.
And I was telling them, man, I was saying, Yo,
there's a lot when you got a lot of money,
like niggas they got three or four hundred million. I

(36:04):
remember I be around some of those gentlemen. I ask
them about taxes and different things, and sometimes they don't
have the information. I was telling one of the homeboys,
I'm like, I'm not sure I'm prepared to have a
hundred million right now. I forgot what podcast was having
in conversation, but it's like having a hundred million dollars
come with a level of responsibility and intellect. You must have, boy,

(36:27):
one hundred million dollars, you a target. Boy with that
hundred million and don't know nothing, you're a real target.
And not necessarily that you don't know nothing, but you
don't know the things you need to know. You don't
have the intaeil on one hundred million dollars. I was
telling someone there's a high percentage if you look at
the statistics, there's a high percentage of people that unfortunately

(36:48):
meet their demise on the day that they get their
driver's license because they think that license indicates experience. And
there's something about experience that gives you a license that
the DMV can't give you. There's something about experience that
gives you a texture that you can't get from nowhere else.

(37:09):
And so I have a certain experience and a certain
set of skills that allow me to survive.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
In the wilderness.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Nigga yo, Trump can shut it down, Obama can open
it up. Nigga mon, Donnie can shut it down. Whoever
can open it up. I'm gonna figure a way to
eat off the lane, because that's just how I come up.
God has blessed me with an intuition in that way,
and I track financial stability. Yes, yes, so imagine like you,

(37:39):
Javonte Davis, you gotta go home.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
They blame me it on the lawsuit. Let's just say
that's the case, right.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
The lawsuit has cost me some money, so my action's
done cost me reportedly forty million dollars. I was hearing
the tickets wasn't moving that well, but this fight was
already in the can. If you're asking me, see this
is what I'm trying to get you to understand. Some
of these business models have to be tweaked, and some
of the people that's in these offices they don't know
how to tweak them. For instance, the Jake Paul Javonte Davis,

(38:08):
I was hearing that the tickets wasn't moving. Now you
combine that with what and makes this a disaster waiting
to happen unless you just got money sitting around. This
is what makes it hard for us other media companies
that does not have the unlimited budget to compete. Why
because Netflix are going through a Javonte Davis and Jake
Paul and it not be on their top priority to
recoup any revenue that is so baked in and so

(38:31):
built in that there's different ways were gonna make the money.
Don't even worry about the money. Some of the smaller
media companies like us, if we want to compete with
those things, we have to see money that night from
ticket sales, from pay per views, from different things. What
you're dealing with is Netflix interrupting the business model. And
I'm all for interruption. I'm all for disruption as it

(38:52):
pertains to business right, So I applaud it, but I'm
examining it. When I look at it and drill it down.
I say, oh, they're dealing with a problem. They gon
have to tweak that business model because what they're doing
is they're taking these sports from these pay.

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Per view models.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
This is a revenue stream, and you're taking them over
the Netflix that has this built in subscription model. You're
making money from your subscription model, but you're also relinquishing
funds to acquire this new talent and it's new boxing shit,
and you don't even have a built in pay per
view or a different experience for someone who wants to
do that. That's what they need to do. Up the experience.

(39:28):
Always tell y'all, let this up that podcast. What's the
model you serve everybody. You find your viewers out of
your viewers, you find your supporters out of your supporters,
you find your customers, and you serve them at a
high level. I'm giving the game they need to be given.
If you combine the fact that Jake poul and Javonte
Davis quote unquote wasn't selling good as far as ticket prices,

(39:51):
and then you if you take that information and you
combine that with it's going to Netflix. That's not free,
but it's not generating any new income. Night of the event.
I think this is a disaster. I also believe that
it being on Netflix affixed the ticket prices because everybody
got Netflix, They're gonna have to find a different way

(40:12):
to do this. I'm telling you, mark my words. Everybody
got Netflix. So a lot of people are saying, Yo,
if I ain't in Miami, I ain't gonna try to
break my neck to get down there. It's November, nigga,
ain't no benefits coming out. People ain't got no money.
Shit when and it's free. We already got Netflix. Shit,
we just gonna watch it from the house, y'all. I
truly believe the fact that a fight is on Netflix

(40:34):
has a negative effect on the gate sales. That's my opinion.
It's too accessible. Let's not even go download it on
the fire stick. You gotta put this cold in then
you go over here. It ain't even none of that.
Go to this website. You gotta have a computer. Do
you got a VPN? It's none of that. It's like, Yo,

(40:55):
the same Netflix you watch all the comedy in your
different shows on, It'll be right there. I truly believe
that has a negative effect on ticket sales and get
in the gate. That's me if you're asking me, but Jafonte,
you have some tough decisions to make. I'm hoping you all.
I hope you be all right out there. You know,
you got a lot of life to live. There's a

(41:15):
lot more ahead of you, a lot more fights to
go get, a lot more money to go get. It's
hard to get out your feelings when you have one
of those catastrophic career situations.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
Happen like that.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
For people who haven't worked out their life towards something.
You don't even understand it. You can't even feel it.
You can't get it. You don't know what it's like
to get up every day and chase something and accomplish
it and have it in your hand. We just as me,
and we gotta have emotional intelligence because we gonna lose
everything if we buy down to our emotions. Telling my
little boy that the other day, you gotta calm down

(41:50):
your emotions. You gotta calm down. I tell myself that boy,
you gotta relax. Let your emotions take you left right
up down. Nigga, You ain't even now pay attention to
what's around you. The first thing we want to talk
about today is the federal government made a couple of
arrest a legend some gambling heighthst current players and retired

(42:14):
players and coaches involved in some illegal gambling that could
affect player props bets. Now, what's important you understand that
because we're going to have a conversation surrounding that in
just a second. One of those people being Chauncey Billups,
was the name that stood out to me. Chauncey Billups,
along with Terry Roseer were among the people that were

(42:35):
arrested for this gambling ring. There are so many layers
to this conversation that we have to speak about. Man,
I think we got so much to dive into. But
first I want to listen to the District Attorney and
Attorney General as well as Cash Ptail, the head of
the FBI, speak about this arrest for Chauncey Billups, Terry

(42:56):
Roseer and a number of different people that is implicate
cass on the NBA as well as prop bids in
gambling in sports.

Speaker 6 (43:05):
Pay attention to this to FBI Director Cash Betel, thank you,
good morning today.

Speaker 7 (43:13):
We are here in New York to announce a historic
arrests across a wide, sweeping criminal enterprise that envelops both
the NBA and Lacasa Nostra. The men and women up
here standing with me represent a small portion of the
leadership team that brought profound justice in an era that
needed it more than any I'll just highlight some of

(43:34):
the some of the details in the case and the
FBI work, and then you'll hear from the others. But
as you now know, individuals such as Chauncey Phillips, Damon Jones,
and Terry Rozier were taking into custody today former current
NBA players and coaches. What you don't know is that
this is an illegal gambling operation and sports rigging operation

(43:55):
that span the course of years. The FBI led a
coordinative takedown across eleven states to arrest over thirty individuals
today responsible for this case, which is very much ongoing.
Not only did we crack into the fraud that these
perpetrators committed on the grand stage of the NBA, but

(44:16):
we also entered and executed a system of justice against
lak Hasanoshra to include the Bonano, Gambino, Genevesi and Luchase
crime families. And you'll hear more about those details today.
The chargers and The arrest that were taken down across
this country range from wire fraud, money laundering, extortion, robbery,

(44:36):
illegal gambling. This FBI will leave no room for any
perpetrator of crime country. You hear a lot about our
work of defending the homeland and crushing violent crime. Well,
this work is also representative of a colossal portion of
the FBI's mandate to keep America safe and to keep
our entertainment industry fair and secure. The men and women

(44:57):
that are standing up here today worked hireless hours, days, months,
and years, and the fraud is mind boggling. It's not
hundreds of dollars, it's not thousands of dollars. It's not
tens of thousands of dollars. It's not even millions of dollars.
We're talking about tens of millions of dollars in fraud
and theft and robbery across a multi year investigation. And

(45:22):
we could not have done it without our interagency partners
that are before us today. The NYPD, HSI and teams
of law enforcement officials from around the country made this
day possible. It takes a team to bring this kind
of justice, sweeping justice into the halls of the United
States courtrooms where our brave United States attorney has led

(45:43):
this prosecution. It takes courageous prosecutors to stand before you
and say we will not allow this kind of illicit
activity to happen, not only at the national sporting level,
but also where it hides in La Casinostra.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
He's two collide it together. They perpetrated your fraud.

Speaker 7 (46:03):
That is historic in terms of not just money, but
the scheme and the deceit that they utilize.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
And so I keep my journalistic integrity. I want to
be clear, right, Chauncey Billups at this moment is not
charged From what I understand, he is not charged with
fixing Blazer's games. That's at this moment. What he's charged
with is a mafia linked rigged poker network. They use
the clip niggas with money, and so of course the

(46:32):
FIZ has a ci right. So at this moment, Chauncey
Billups is not charged with fixing Blazer games. And I
fuck with Chouncey Billups. O g status From everything I
hear about him, he is a great guy. But if
you a gambler, you a gambler if you come from this,
and we gotta keep it a buck, Are we gonna
act like them? Niggas is playing poker with laser X

(46:56):
ray tables. But that's where they draw the line. See,
the Fedgs ain't dumb. They really letting you know without
letting you know. Come on, man, if they playing high
level poker and really basically robbing they homeboys for money,
not even their homeboys, they're associates. They're using their face
card to draw me in and robbing them basically. See,

(47:19):
y'all look at robbery different than I look at robbery. Yeah,
that's robbery. If I'm playing against you with my money.
You got X ray tables, that's robbery. You robbing me.
You just don't got the nuts to take it and
draw down it. You got to sneak and get it
from it some kind of peon where you gotta sneak
and get it and rob me and scam me out

(47:40):
of it. I get it, you got it, do your thing,
But I haven't developed the imagination.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
To act like that. The FEDS is a legend, and he's.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Running up mafia rig poker scheme, and that's where he
draws the line. So he won't sit somebody if they
have some money on a player. But at this moment,
see what the Feds also like to do, not even
just the fizz the police. Sometimes they like to charge
you with something and let you know, we really can

(48:10):
charge you with this, but we want you to work
with us. A lot of people are calling this the
NBA rico the start of it, And if you know
anything about ricos, what's the first thing they do. They
make a couple of rests. See the ricos at the
tell lied, they make a couple of other rests right
after they arrest them, pulled them in. Now they can
come with the rico. Charge Man Chauncey Billups at this

(48:34):
point is a sitting NBA coach. If you do a
case study on gambling and professional sports, it's a case
of fear missing out and it's a case of showing
you capitalism really controls America. Because they looked at third
parties and the black market and how much money was

(48:55):
being generated and said, even if it'll ruin our sports
system completely, even if it poisons the water, we want
a piece of that money. Ain't no way because see
what happened was the player prop thing popped up out
of nowhere. That was like a new thing that was

(49:16):
some shit that they was doing in the underground.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
See if you.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Bet it with the right people to right book is
you knew niggas really been doing player props, overs and
unders and things like that. It been going on, but
from a professional level, and in Vegas, of course, because
that's really where they get it from. But from a
professional level, like some of these bigger companies, it wasn't
widespread because the NBA, the NFL, they wouldn't participate. If

(49:44):
you look right now today some of the top brand sponsorships,
not even just in our culture, not even in just podcasting.
When I say our coach, I'm saying podcasting because I'm
speaking business. When you look at some of the sports agencies,
some of the NFL, NBA, MLB, NASCAR, you're gonna see
draft kings, you're gonna see fan duel, you're gonna see

(50:06):
prize picks. You're gonna see some of these people who
are now involved in culture. And so the conversation for me,
I started to have a conversation like I'm not sure
how premature this conversation is, but I actually had this
conversation in my head. When I think about it, I
have deep thoughts and think about their professional gambling ruined sports.

(50:28):
I'm hearing things in the backdrop, and you know, I
really don't come on the show and tell y'all about
what be going.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
I'll be getting random texts.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I got a random text about t Grizzly, I got
random texts about Lebron were talking in the last three
or four days, just randomly text to my phon't even
know how people get my number and see, I'm so
new in this game. I'm not sure am I supposed
to go out and talk about Like are they thinking
that I'm one of these media guys? Like and I am.

(50:56):
I'm in the business, so I am one of these guys.
I do have to bring certain things to the coach
and let you out digestive.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
It's part of what I do. So they got the
right guy.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
I just got to tune up my system because I
be getting shited all the time about niggas, and I
be like, man, I really don't know what I'm supposed
to do with that. I'm talking about real legit shit,
too interesting shit. But I think a conversation can be
had about did gambling ruined sports? Because it's like, I
think there's an urge to be involved and getting some

(51:31):
of the extra money, especially for some of the lower
level of people. It's interesting right now because we're dealing
with people that's quote unquote making a lot of money
that's still doing this.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
So we'll get to that. I definitely want to speak
about that.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
But but when you think about the coach being involved
in some kind of gambling heist, and you think about
how much influence the coach has.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
On the game, it's paramount. Man.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
He can pull you out of the game. He can
just be like, yo, you sit down and so you
can't reach your over and under points like you may
have over twenty two, you got fourteen, sit you down
for ten minutes, and he may compromise his ability to
win that game by sitting you down and not care.
But the coach has that ability. When we talk about
each player being involved. As it pertains to professional sports,

(52:20):
whether that be in the NBA or NFL, my curiosity
doesn't necessarily live there. It lives in college sports. I
think in collegiate sports, that's what we're gonna really see
an issue as it pertains to the gambling the shaving points,
because what you're dealing with is a bunch of young
men who may not even make it pro. What they

(52:42):
view this opportunity as with NIL being an option but
not being an obligation because everyone doesn't get an NIL deal,
and the NIL deal that people are getting is now
guardrails on those deals to where you're not making life
changing money if you're not gonna go pro. And so
again I'm dealing with a particular player that's in collegiate

(53:05):
sports that understands I do not have a chance to
go pro, but I am playing a position on this
team that has influence on the outcome of this game.
And so, because NIL numbers aren't the greatest for players
who are not playing to go pro and already superstars
in their brand is already big. Even if you're not
planning to go pro, your brand probably has to be

(53:27):
of a certain level for you to even prosper from
an NIL perspective, right, so, you may be getting pennies
in crumbs from an NIL perspective. As a college collegiate
sports player, you do have the ability to affect this game.
And so if you guys are able to bet on
that this little four year window you have playing sports,

(53:49):
you gotta make enough money to take care of everything
you have without going pro. And so there's an urge
that those young men are fighting that I believe the
federal government will shine a over there in collegiate sports,
and we're gonna have a much bigger problem than we
have in the NFL and the NBA that's basketball and football.

(54:09):
When I say collegiate sports, because you'll have guys that
are actually good players, pretty good players in college, maybe
not the best, but pretty good players, and on the
court majority of the game and aren't involved in the
game where they get the ball.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
They're just not superstars.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
And some of those guys, I'm afraid that that four
years in college has turned into a red zone for
them of sorts. And they got to get as many
scores as they can get, and they got to get
mama house and get them a house, and try to
get them a car in and try to set their
future up, get them a business, because after this, I've
worked with niggas and been around niggas that was hell

(54:46):
of a college players. And some of those guys have
the highlights from college, highlights from high school, and they'll
be working next to me driving the forklift.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
And so It's always interesting to understand how far you
can can really get in that shit and try to
capitalize on every dollar. So I think the infiltration of
money being involved has had some consequences and collateral damage
that I'm not sure they were prepare for. Maybe it's
a bit much to say ruined sports. I think it's
definitely altered sports, you know, gambling being a professional thing

(55:22):
that a lot of the players are. You can see
that're throwing the games, and certain people would have brought
out there seeing it.

Speaker 1 (55:30):
They're definitely seeing it.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
You know, let's not act like ben has not always
been a part of sports. Like even if they outlawed,
and I think that's the argument they had, we get
outlaw it all all we want. We're just missing out
on the money because they gonna do it without us,
whether they do it underground, whether they do it however
they do it. They gonna bet on these games without us.
It's a capitalistic society, so they wanted some of the money. Now,

(55:55):
there's a few different layers to this Chauncey Billups thing.
So if you don't know, Gilbert Arenas was arrested a
few months ago and what he was arrested on was
also some gabling shit, you know. I think he was
doing some kind of poker house poker games and they
mentioned the mafia as well. With Chauncey Billups and Rosier,
they also mentioned the mafia. You know, I've seen a

(56:16):
lot of individuals coming out and they were wondering, Yo,
why why don't we see any mafia people being arrested
as well? I have to push back on that. I
seen some arrest being made for people outside of Chauncey
Billups and Terry Roseer. I've seen some other gentlemen who
were arrested. There were quote unquote mafia figures that were

(56:39):
arrested with those people. Also, a young lady was arrested.
So if you really looked into the case and did
just a little bit more googling, you would have been
able to see that. Now, I do agree with people,
it's not put on the forefront, it's not put out there,
and so maybe there's a conversation to be had about, yo,
they're running this shit in logs and things of that nature.

(57:01):
I think our coach is feasting on itself. So when
we see something like that happen, not only are we interested,
but we're gonna pull the biggest names out of it,
the people that matter to us, and we're gonna forefront
them and really f those other people. We talking about
Chouhncey Billups is a sitting coach man. Ain't the same
as my conversation, Yo, we talking about Chauncey Billups is
a sitting coach man.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
How can a sitting coach affect the player.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Prop bit even the overall victory a loss, right, the
coach has even more effect on the game then probably
you can realize we're talking about pace, were talking about
minutes played. There's a number of things that the coach
controls man that can alter the game. That's why he's
a key component of the team. But we're talking about

(57:44):
a sitting coach and a player and Damon Jones and
these people, oh they call Lebron Like this story has
so many layers to it. They are speaking about Damon Jones.
Hey called Lebron and asked him a few things about
is he gonna be available or something. I don't know
if that's true or not. You know, God for being
they dragged Lebron into this kind of shit and ruined
the reputation and the brand equity that he's built over

(58:07):
the years. Now here's the other part of it. Chauncey
Billups has been fucking around with this poker thing for
a while, and so we got some professional gamblers, high
rolling people speaking about it on the podcast three years
ago about Chauncey Billups and quote unquote cheating as he

(58:28):
was playing poker.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
Pay attention, God, kids are manipulated.

Speaker 8 (58:34):
Man, Benny real quick like this, like his attitude at
the game.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
He was always just like so.

Speaker 8 (58:42):
Semi happy, semi grumpy man. I would have never thought
we were being cheated by by this man this whole time.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
Like if he didn't just like completely smashed the game.

Speaker 8 (58:59):
Yeah, like the absolute perfect shit right.

Speaker 6 (59:03):
Yeah, interesting, Yeah, cheating's bad, Okay, it is. There are
a lot of a lot of stories about it. There's
there's one that cropped up. This must have been like
five years ago, twenty nineteenish, I think four years ago,
where there was this game. It started in la and

(59:25):
then it came to Vegas for a few days and
it was all built around Chauncey Billups. And I heard
I had heard about the game, and the person who
told me about it was like, look, I know the
game runners, I'm telling you one hundred percent this game is.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
On the up and up.

Speaker 6 (59:41):
And I was like, well, I know a lot of
the people that are involved, and I'm telling you one
hundred percent that it is not on the up and up.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
Yeah, And you know.

Speaker 6 (59:51):
We kind of went back and forth, and I agreed that,
like I just wasn't going to go play it, but
I had some friends who went and played it, both
in LA and in Vegas, and it obviously, like was
for sure confirmed to be cheated, Like people who clearly
didn't even understand the rules of no Limit hold them
are just like jamming hundreds of big blinds in with

(01:00:14):
like a gutty and then just willing it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
Only the pros are losing, Like how is it figured out?

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Like it just.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
I can't remember if this was the game where.

Speaker 6 (01:00:29):
No loud speaker, Yeah, okay, that was, Oh okay, Well
it's still I mean, it's not like Chauncey and Pierce
don't know each other.

Speaker 1 (01:00:40):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:42):
I feel like it's probably the same crowd overlapping there,
but maybe maybe not. Either way, it was, you know,
it's basically confirmed amongst all of the pros that the
game was cheated. But there's just no recourse, gotcha, and
you know they got at.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
Yeah, I mean there's just no recourse in a lot
of these situations.

Speaker 4 (01:01:03):
Well, it's up to whenever you're dealing with somebody like
high profile like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
Because so basically saying that, if I understand them correctly,
Chaunceying them got caught cheating against Paul Pierce found out.
And I'm not sure if these stories are legitimate. All
this is alleged. Again, I'm not sure, but this is
twenty nineteen, and there's rumblings of Chaunceying them a cheating

(01:01:27):
people in this poker game. It's not on the up
and up quote unquote. There's a lot of conversation to
be had, right because number one, on one side, you
have celebrity culture and what happens around the celebrity. Like
if you've really been around stars as celebrities, you know
there's a world of shit happening around them that some

(01:01:48):
of it they are in tune with it, some of
it they're not even in tune with. Like I've seen
people hustle off folks for nine and ten months and
then let's just say we'll ride and they may bring
you in for five minutes that legitimize it to get
you right out of there. They even smart, They smart,
they working, and I love it though I ain't gonna
lie because I respect games. So I'm I'm watching niggas

(01:02:10):
run game. I'm saying, oh, this is high level game.
When you around some of these high level football niggas
of Floor and Mayweather or some of these inventory removers,
these niggas can press a button and make some of
these shit sell.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
You know what I'm talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
When you around some of the people, man, A's a
world of things happening around them. There's a celebrity culture
we can speak on. But then on the other side,
there's if what they're alleged is true. With Chancey billup
and they've been stealing money from people, it's their x
on his head. Because you've been stealing from millionaires, you
are now being outed. So everyone that has ever played

(01:02:48):
with you at this point is now saying you probably
cheated me too. That's the thing about these kind of arrests.
At the end of the day, what happens is is
they don't blow up chanceypot So I'm wondering, is he
a mark Man?

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Is he a Mark Mann.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
At this point, they mentioned in the Mafia they've arrested
a few people on that side. He's now been arrested.
They're saying that although they have not arrested him and
charged him with anything that has to do with throwing
Blazer games, they do acknowledge the fact that one thing
is influenceding the other, meaning what he's doing over here

(01:03:26):
in basketball. The reason why he would even jeopardize that
and still fuck around with this over here and poker
is because both of those things work in tandem some
kind of way.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
They influence each other.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
So in a roundabout way, they're saying he's involved with
some betting and the NBA is being drugged in this,
and I believe that. I believe that it'll be an
NBA Rica on the rise. The gambling shit is alt
of the nature of sports, period. There is no one
that can argue with me. And so when I ask
the question, is Chauncey billups a mark Man? I believe

(01:04:01):
it's a fair question asked because the gamblers and the
killers share the same atmosphere. I want to be clear,
the gamblers and the killers, they stay around each other,
hustlers and the gamblers and the killers. They stay kind
of around each other. They need each other, they use
each other sometimes. What a dude is that gambling. He
needs the hustler to bring him something to smoke. White gambling,

(01:04:25):
and he need a killer too to make sure don't
nobody take his money. You see what I'm saying. So
all of this shit work together. There's a big part
of this shit. And so you damn right. I think
Chauncey Billups life may be in danger because he dealing
with some people that got some money.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
It's some very powerful people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
And if you think they can't press a button that
to get a button pressed, man, you tripping. Not only
the people he worked for and the quote unquote mafia,
I'm talking about the people he doesn't gamble with.

Speaker 1 (01:04:53):
They done lost money to him.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Because I know if I'm sitting at the house and
we been gambling over the years, and you done got
me for nine hundred thousand or some over the years,
and they done pulled this out saying y'all got X
ray tables. When they get them, they might have been
having them for the last twenty years. We don't know
how long they've been having them. So now it calls
in the question every single time that you set at

(01:05:17):
a table with every person. And we know how small
this gambling community is. We know how small the celebrity
community is. It's the reason why these dudes share the
same women. It's a small little world. It's a small
little world we all operate in and we pick them
out of there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:34):
And that's just how we moved.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
And so although Chauncey was a coach, they made him
utilize his influence not only as a coach, as an
NBA Hall of Famer, but as a high roller gambler
that e done built up over the last fifteen years
or have along he's been gambling. They made him utilize
his influence to do what pull other NBA niggas over there,
other rich people they know of Chauncey and this one

(01:05:57):
and that one is in the building. It's some money there.
You know, if they say an NBA nigga in the city,
you're gonna say, man, let's get it done. I remember
when Aiden Ross came to the time they hit me up.
I had one hundred thousand dollars poker game for Aiden
Ross and I was gonna secure him and we were
gonna shake the spot.

Speaker 1 (01:06:13):
If anything went wrong with him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
We just want him to be able to come in
and gamble on my face card and say, you know what,
everything cool, they called me. I set it up. My
homeboy was then was already getting down. I said, Man,
I think I'm gonna bring Aiden through there and let
him get out man with with some real ones, you know.
I think we're gonna bring Aiden Ross to there, let
him get out. But he ended up leaving and going
to the Michael Rubin thing. I was gonna escort him

(01:06:37):
right through there with the homis and let him do
his thing and really gamble has some fun. But gambling
is a part of the coach. There's no way to
look at it. It's no other way to look at it.
But they cousted him to utilize his influence to lure
his friends over there and basically take their money. You know,
I think it's a sad sight to see because again, man,

(01:06:59):
I just want to hammle it point home. On a
collegiate level, man, I think that's where we're gonna really
see a problem. We're gonna really really see a problem
on a collegiate level where people can't utilize the nil
like everyone else. And then another part of me said
to myself when I was having a conversation with the
homies and they were saying, well, long, what do you

(01:07:19):
think will make people that's making money twenty eight million
dollars in eight million dollars a year certain things like that?
What would make them jeopardize that and gamble? And so
as we're having a conversation, I'm trying to iron out
some of the details. And so I went down this
road and I said, well, man, it's the competitive nature.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
Sometimes you just so competitive you don't want to lose,
and so man, you putting money on it. You just
no matter what you do, man, you're a competitive person.
And unfortunately that argument fell apart because I said, well,
if you competitive, what hurts more you throwing the game
and getting the money and now everyone thinks you a

(01:08:00):
shit player, or you winning the game and everyone thinking
you a good player and you don't make any extra money.
And I'm saying, if you have that competitive spirit, wouldn't
it laying on the side of hey, yo, I want
to win the game, especially a public game, Or would
that competitive nature drive you to bet on the game

(01:08:22):
and say I'll throw the game. You know those conversations
I was trying to have, But I just don't think
if you're a competitive person, you want to put losses
on your record for some secret scam that you're running.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
And see.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Another thing about the gambling that I find it interesting
is there's a lot of confusion happening when you look
in the stands or you look at the fans. Say,
if you're looking at your data points right, Let's just say,
for an example, I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I mean a die hard.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
It's been passed down from my granddad and his granddad.
It's just like being in the family. We really Dallas fans.
I'm just saying, if it's if this is the case,
walk with me. If I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan and
it's been passed down thirty years of my family, and
I'm at a home game because the Dallas Cowboys just
play the Oakland Raiders, There'll be someone next to me

(01:09:15):
that may have bought a high priced ticket that he
don't really give a fuck about the Dallas Cowboys. He
just got a big bank roll on the Dallas Cowboys today,
on the Ovinando or on this certain player. And so
it is confused the casual person who doesn't understand it.
There's two different people watching these games nowadays. They're sharing

(01:09:38):
the balls nowadays, and so what will happen is is
you're running in one of these bars and you will
actually see people who don't give a fuck about the team,
but because they got money on it, they everywhere the
fans are and they're paying top dollar because they're invested.
It's almost like work for them. I think those two
people are coming more and more indistinguishable on both sides,

(01:10:03):
whether that's a data point or if you just from
the naked eye, you come in and you see everybody
paying attention to the TV, you think, whoa, it's a
lot of fans here. Bro. What you think about that
new jersey they just dropped. Man, I don't know about
no jersey. I got fifteen hundred on this motherfucker. You know,
they ain't even really tapped in on what you're saying.
What you got going? I got money on this game.
It's five thound on it, you know what I mean.

(01:10:25):
It's just that kind of environment that is now being
created and it's a part of sports. And so I
guess the new question in closing is is can professional
sports now snap their fingers and get rid of gambling?
If you're asking me, it's no. They've already created the customer.
Now what happens if they say, yo, as NBA, NFL,

(01:10:46):
we have all made a decision. We're now outlawing gambling
because it's now affected the texture of our sport. They
have no confidence in the outcomes at this point. They
believe people are shaving points. We're no longer integrating gambling
in anything. We're doing it and if you are caught gambling,
you'll be outlawed. What happened we DIDNET already promoted this
to all your fans. Now that'll be the best thing

(01:11:10):
that can happen for some of these companies. And we
you know, we talk from a business perspective. For some
of these companies like Prize Pigs or fan Do or
Draft Kings, that's some of the best shit can happen.
If they now say we're not involved in it at all.
We've already introduced the idea to the customer, and so

(01:11:30):
we'll just serve the customer. On the black market, it's
like ozimpic. They try to outlaw ozembic. Here and there
people are selling it on the black market because people
see it as a weight lost drug. We don't give
a damn If you lose muscle mass and your head
looks big and your shoulders get small, you're losing everything
with that shorty, not just the weight, you're losing muscle

(01:11:52):
mass as well. But we're gonna keep our eyes on it.
We haven't even covered what Gilbert said. We may get
to that episode, I'm not sure, but we'll keep an
eye on what's going on with this NBA rico and
if it even integrates in collegiate sports, we'll pay attention
to that. Let's move on what else we got, and
so let's have a conversation about a conversation that was

(01:12:14):
had about a nigga that shouldn't never be having a conversation.
I was brought up by academics.

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