K Camp Says ‘Renegade’ Dance Was STOLEN for Fortnite! , 21 Savage , Young Dolph , Da Baby & Ye

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The biggest dance trend on the Internet right now is
called the Renegade. Who created it and the story behind
it was a mystery.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
In twenty nineteen, a dance took over the Internet. It
was fresh, it was everywhere, It was viral. K Camp's
song Lottery became a cultural moment, but behind the scenes,
a young black creator was erased from her own creation.
The dance she started became a global trend without her

(00:31):
name attached. Brands, influencers, and celebrities capitalized while she was
left behind. For the first time ever, k Camp speaks
out the truth, the controversy, the culture. This is bigger
than one song. This is about respect, credit and the
fight for fairness.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
To my understanding, I ain't real to go too deep, mans.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
I take it where somebody stole.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
Jelia started to dance. She created a dance. Julaya is
a dancer, you know, created a dance and started catching
steam on tik tok. The white girls would Chamillia yeah,
because I was laid in to dance after the game.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
When it came out, it came out very unexpectedly.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I used to dance.

Speaker 4 (01:16):
I used to take a dance class about five days
a week. And so this was like just a regular
day for me.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
I was in my bathroom right before class, just trying to.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
You know, kill time before my mom was just.

Speaker 4 (01:27):
To go level.

Speaker 3 (01:28):
But I just feel like that was God, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
And at the same time, I feel like personally, I
ain't really get what I was supposed to get from
breaking that platform.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Like I'm you know what I'm saying, I broke that Marble.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
It wouldn't be no tik talking all this dance shit
if it wasn't for me in Ju Laya.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
None of you were just dropping just to try to
keep the momentum.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
I was dropping to feed my fans. I was dropping
to keep this shit going, you know what I'm saying.
I knew I had a fan base, you know what
I'm saying, that was building. I was just trying to
keep my name relevant.

Speaker 4 (01:56):
How many years you go not making no money?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
I went like two or three, Yeah, bro, they came back.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
I had called I had a lot of it was
going crazy, but shit had like probably like I think
it was.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Like ninety something million streams.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Without and the scope help. So I got on Twitter
and I tagged. Joe was like, hey, man, this song
doing blah blah blah streams and y'all ain't doing shit.
Y'all ain't me let me go. I put it on
the Twitter.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Like you know what I'm saying, the business behind the
song that went to Fortnite? Did you get paid from Fortnite?

Speaker 3 (02:22):

Speaker 1 (02:23):
I really want to put business number one, because one
thing I didn't know is the business. Like I went
on God, I went about two or three years without
checking my bank account. Bro run the mainstream and I
got a story about that. That know about it when
they come to Apple Music and Spotify, training air like.

Speaker 4 (02:40):
All pe Dauph, Pete Dak.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
This was this before Gasi became Gussi the big Dog.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
Yeah yeah, because.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. I like, I
like to just move around. You know what I'm saying. Secure,
You know what I'm saying. For one, if I don't
know what I'm walking into or if it's a club,
you know what I'm saying. Some other ship, but like
and I'll be more.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
I was up in the black truck and it went
up and do people be looking like man? Campaign got
nobody with him all the time. I see you by
yourself though. He was at the the basketball ship where
revote at the.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
T L t c L.

Speaker 4 (03:17):
Everybody was that, Yeah, yeah you walked in, you kid.
I'm with my game. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I always
think about this. It's crazy y'all got into a fight
in my town though recently. No, he's that's what you
were saying. Oh yea yea yea in Tennessee. That's crazy.
That's how crazy.

Speaker 3 (03:37):
You got pressure by that ship.

Speaker 4 (03:38):
Now letting that go. One of my homeboys got wooked
with the migos down there for real. That's when all
said jump off the Oh yeah that was down there.
Your partner, my my project. You know, you know how
your project. Yeah, I ain't got no beef with him

(03:59):
or nothing, But ain'ty a stocking nigga. That's what I said.
I said, must be a nigga who ain't really tripping?

Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, ready to go?

Speaker 4 (04:06):
You ready to go this? This nigga is stocked like.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
He too, gus. I brought my hand on nigga.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
What was his nick going though?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
It was just man, we was young, nick were like
eighteen nineteen. Uh, you know we're coming into the city.
You know, it's in the local nigga, Like I said,
coming to the city taking the hose and ship. So
we were forming, they just trying to stage and it
just turned to a big air bro and the whole
club got shut down. You know.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
It was one of them nice.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Right, and they get you fucked up because you don't
really have you don't really pop their gangster talk. You Yeah,
but but you go player on. Yeah, but but see
went realni.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
O what a player is? Yeah, they ain't going for
not going. Yeah, but some of the you know what
I'm saying, out do some ship, I ain't. You know
what I'm saying, I ain't talking and popping ship that
for what?

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Right? Right right? Some people would think because you're a rapper,
that's part.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Of donna get a twisted yeah up anytime?

Speaker 4 (05:00):
Any where are you from around here?

Speaker 1 (05:02):
I was born in Milwaukee, Okay saying midway shout out
to the mill, but grew up on the North side, Maria.
You know what I'm saying, cod kind of shit. But
I've been all around this shit, east side, side, south side.
I've been all over this ship. But I've been here
my whole life.

Speaker 4 (05:16):
Right when you first started with the rap. Shit, how
old were you? Mmm?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
What ninth grade is probably like fourteen, thirteen fourteen?

Speaker 3 (05:28):
What is like fourteen? What about fifteen fourteen?

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, yeah, as far as like I'm trying to I'm
trying to rap, you know what I'm saying. They always
had like little carriyoga machine. I always did like a
little ship around the house. But actually being in a
group like thirteen fourteen, right.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
I I was looking over your catalog earlier. And for
those who don't know, you know, welcome to us up
there podcast. Y'all know how we do. You know what
I'm saying. We got the legendary k Camp for sure
here today. Man, you know what I'm saying. Everybody can't
come on the platform on Jesus Christ. My list long,
this is on Jesus Christ. But if I a nigga

(06:07):
with it, man, and I wanted to bring you on,
you know, to talk about what you've done. And also
I think you have a influence on the sound that
Drake does and I want to talk about that maybe
a little later in the show, but you know, I
just want to kind of tell you man, like I'm
proud that you were able to survive two or three

(06:29):
eerrors of this shit. You know what I'm saying, because man,
what especially with machine exactly, and they don't change the
whole business. God, you was one of the first ones.
I was telling the homeboy with the TikTok movement thing, right,
and yours was very organic. Now they've took that system

(06:49):
that you utilize and put a price tag on God
on God. So now there's no more organic push to
get your music in a position of what people say,
now we gonna create the dance like they're paying people
to create the dance, right. Talk to me about going
through that.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Ship. Really it was. Man, It's like it's like one
of those things, but that ship, it was unexpected. It's
one of It's like a God gift, you know what
I'm saying. And nobody knew what TikTok was. I wasn't
on tik Tok. I just got on tip top probably
last year, year and a half ago. You know what
I'm saying that three four years, you know what I'm saying.
I can't really explain it. It was just, you know
what I'm saying. The girl, if I if I do

(07:31):
the whole backstory of how that ship just really happened it.
It didn't start with TikTok. TikTok just was in the
way of the ship took it, and it took it
to a whole different thing. And Tik Tok was a
new platform and right familiar with it, so it took
it to a whole new level. But I just feel
like that was God, you know what I'm saying. And
at the same time, I feel like personally, I ain't
really get what I was supposed to get from breaking

(07:53):
that platform. Like I'm never you know what I'm saying,
I broke that Marble. It wouldn't be no Tik Tok
and all this dance shit if it wasn't for me
in Jolay, you know what I'm saying. Of course, all
the influences that play the partner ship, but you showed.

Speaker 4 (08:04):
The record business that it was liowerful. Yeah, it was
a powerful tool for the record business. Now, when you
say you didn't get what you deserve, what was the
business behind that record? Was it someone else is in
a partnership.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
Or like, now, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
I was still signed Interscope at the time, but we
had a partnership with Empire. Shot the Gazi because at
the time that we really you know what I'm saying
talking real like, in Scope wasn't doing shit for me
at that time, right, you know, so we had to
Really I've been I just got independent probably what twenty two.
I really been moving independent for the last five to
ten years, you know what I'm saying, right.

Speaker 4 (08:39):
But you was you but I'm signed to it. L
This is what I want people to understand. Music artists
and also people that want to get in the game.
You will be in a situation where you'll get signed.
These record labels will not participate in investment, but they'll
participate in profit and the winners for sure. Yeah, and
that's the situation. You explained what happened.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
You know what I'm saying, Like, Uh, in the Scope
wasn't really doing what they was supposed to be in
my mind at the you know, when I first got signed,
everything was grave. You know how that ship go, right,
they going they gonna roll out the red cop before
you know what I'm saying, shot of the Ennerscope. I
ain't even got no bad blood with these niggas, right,
all that I got and I understood what this business is.
It kind of clicked in my head like okay, cool,

(09:21):
I get it. So it ain't no bad blood in
the scope. But they wasn't doing what they were supposed
to be doing in the empire. Stepped then, and you know,
we hit the ground running as far as like the marketing,
just trying to get a song out. When I recorded
the song, I was on tour and I and I
and I sent it to like probably like twenty of
my you know what I'm saying, influencial partners like in
the Bed and the Nigga A and RS and shit,

(09:41):
and I knew it was something different because everybody responded
the same way, like, damn, this only sound Because I'm
used to putting out melodic ship, you know what I'm saying.
They like, oh, you came a whole different weight. And
it was it was at the time where the baby
was going crazy, so the heavy eight o weights, yes,
was in you know what I'm saying. And when dog
Rezony played the beat, I was like, Oh, that's that's
what's going on. Let me, let me, let me drop
some flavor on that ship and ended up taking out.
But you know, as far as like the payout and

(10:03):
all that shit, that happened with that record. I just
feel like the business wasn't the being, the structure, wasn't
he in all the way locked in TikTok at that time.
Oh okay, that's you know what I'm saying, Yes, because
after me, when you're doing on t rich off TikTok,
you know what I'm saying, Like, everybody don't get rich.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I don't get me wrong, but I just feel like.

Speaker 4 (10:22):
When I did, someone in your situation that had an
infrastructure could get rich at this time. But but you
gotta remember this was before TikTok had to deal even
with the recordabel. Record labels told early right record. But
there's a scenario now in the business where you pay
with your eyeballs. So the views are still a form

(10:43):
of transaction from your fans, right, it ain't. It ain't money,
but your job is to turn it into money. But
the record labels threatening the seu TikTok, right, because I
think you and a couple of other artists were some
of the ones. They were like, hey man liked g University.
Yeah yeah, So what was it like when you first

(11:04):
signed the end the scope?

Speaker 1 (11:05):
Like, what was that like when I first signed the nscope?
I ain't gonna lie, but that was my dream label
to get signed to, you know what I'm saying. Because
when I seen fifty in eminem and Dre and all that,
like the biggest that was in the game, they was
all signed in the Scope. So she as a young
nick coming up like she, I want to get signed
with the biggest is at you know what I'm saying.
So when I got signed, everything was sweet, you know

(11:25):
what I'm saying. Already had the streets on fire before
I signed and made a deal independently. I had money
baby going, I had cut her off going. I had
uh shit before I even got them records going. I
had a record all night that was going in the city,
in the Chicken Market and Chicken cir circuit. I had
do it with Michael Mantanner, Like I already had stains
as far as a new artist coming in with he

(11:47):
got records right, So when in the Scope came in,
I was already on fire, you feel me. So all
they did was just you know, do the machine shit
add more fuel to the fire, making videos look.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
Ten time better than ones we were shooting, you know,
switch and you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
The whole thing.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
Photo shoots the whole thing. May can you look like
a static artists?

Speaker 4 (12:03):
You feel me?

Speaker 1 (12:03):
So that was the benefit of it. And that was
the first time I ever felt some shit like that, like, Okay, cool,
I got somebody actually trying to turn my ship up.
But we was doing all the work. Of course, you
know what I'm saying, like I don't expect them to
do the work. We're gonna do the work. But it
was cool. But you know what I'm saying, that ship,
that ship, you know, people changing the building. The niggas
signed me shout out the tune. You know what I'm
saying over there, that jam tune of your goat the

(12:25):
sign me got fired. So I'm in a new situation.
And who got themn believed in me that brought me in.
He gone.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
So now some new n you know, you know how,
And that's something that people don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
That's a lot of artists.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
They don't know.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
That's like, yeah, that's one of the key things in
the building when you go in with a team. And
like I said in the beginning, it should a business.
So the nigga who hired them, niggas they don't want them.
They on they roster no more. They gonna get rid
of them. Now you gotta you gotta you know what
I'm saying, You gotta deal with a nigga who really
ain't see the vision right and so convinced the niggas exactly.
So so what happens is, uh, there's a green light press.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's for people who don't know, like you got to
get budgets, green lid ideas, green lid songs, green lid.
Even though you recording music, working hard, there's still another process.
There's red tape and boundaries that you can only go
so far without signatures and certain things from inside the building.
So the people that will bring you in, that believe
in you, will go into that marketing meeting and fight

(13:23):
for you, going to that radio meeting and fight for you.
When you no longer have nobody fighting for you, now
you start not to look like an asset, You start
to look like a liability. When did you feel that
change with them though? Because you came in on fire,
When did you feel like, all right, the money baby
to cut the off? Is they weighing off? They kind
of feeling like.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I felt that you can turn that air down?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (13:46):
You cold? He got right under the joint. Just cut
it up just wherever you cut it up to.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
I'm trying to talk to you.

Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah, yeah, it up brother.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
When I felt that changed?

Speaker 1 (14:03):
When when when shi it was switching as far as
with Interscope or yep, Yeah, because it was it was
two parts to it.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
You know what I'm saying. I didn't talk about this
ship so many times.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
I gotta talk about it.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
It's like to it.

Speaker 4 (14:14):
It was.

Speaker 3 (14:14):
It was one of them things where it was it
was my management. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
They pulled a move that rubbed a lot of people
the wrong way.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
You know what I'm saying. It was It was a
it was an event.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
I had dropped the album.

Speaker 3 (14:27):
We had an event, you know what I'm saying. At
this time twenty one twenty two, around that eight.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
You know what I'm saying, We didn't really me personally.
I didn't give a fuck the business. I just wanted
to make music, party for those and just be on
you know what I'm saying, just rapper shit. You know
mostly you feel me. So it was a situation where
we had this event that this a little you know
what I'm saying all.

Speaker 3 (14:47):
The taste makers.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Taste makers came out DJ's select.

Speaker 4 (14:50):

Speaker 1 (14:52):
And we on stage.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
You know what I'm saying, We we we having a
good time. My manager gave me. He whispered my ear like, hey,
you gotta get out to eat plaque. You know what
I'm saying. I hate talking about this shit because we
all know I'm past this ship.

Speaker 4 (15:03):

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I done got cool with the with the with the
now we everything, We swept everything on the rub. I
just tapped into it real quick because that's how everything.

Speaker 4 (15:12):
It's the business, bro Like, it's part of your story too.
And I want to know if you healed from that ship,
because it's a lot going through that ship as a
young Hey, i'd have made it. I don't got signed
the inna pull.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
A move and I know what I'm saying, pull the rug.

Speaker 4 (15:25):
From So he pulled a move. You supposed to give
out a plaque.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
It was it was like three or four plaques here.
You know what I'm saying. Just imagine me being on
the stage there's none but DJ number.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
But you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Whatever he say, ship, get buy the play. He say,
you know, I'm looking at the platt name like DJ,
come get your plack. You know, I'm not knowing what's
really going on. I'm just got them. Hey, come get
your plat you know what I'm saying. And the night
went smooth. Everything was cool. Probably like two three days later,
I'm in the studio.

Speaker 4 (15:56):
What the plaques for? Though?

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Man?

Speaker 4 (15:59):
It was just recognition appreciation. Now are you saying? He
got a room full of DJs and he's singling out
certain tam out you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
So he's separating, he's pardon the see he making folks
Philly way right.

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Speaker 1 (17:27):
Whatever he say, shit, get by the play he say.
You know, I'm looking at the plat. Ain't like DJ.
Come get your plat. You know I'm not knowing what's
really going on. I'm just got them a come get
your plat. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
And the night went smooth.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Everything was cool. Probably like two three days later, I'm
in the studio.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
What the plaques for? Though?

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Man?

Speaker 4 (17:47):
It was just congrect recognition appreciation type Now are you saying?
He got a room full of DJs and he's singling
out certain you know what I'm saying. So he's separating me,
He's pardon the ce.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
He making was fill away right, you know what I'm saying.
It could be this said man, I played this record
X amount of times. Yeah, and it's so you know
what I'm saying. Of course it's going you know what
I'm saying, roughal a few feathers and shit. So this
like two three days later, Bro, I'm in the studio,
like I'm always here in the studio. One of my
partners that worked at the radio station just text me
randomly like, Hey, I'm at the radio station and it

(18:20):
ain't looking good for you right now. Like what you're
talking about here Like a lot of niggas, you know
what I'm saying, feeling some type of way about these plaques.
And I was like plaque and out here, I'm like
what plaques you're talking about? And I'm like, I know
you ain't talking about the plexue from the event. So
it ended up being that situation that kind of like
had everybody talking. You know what I'm saying, Like, oh,
you know what I'm saying, like damn he he ain't
shown over, you know it was. It was just one

(18:41):
of those things that it spread fast, you feel, because
at the time I was I was I was hot,
you know what I'm saying. Of course, phill a way,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
But you also got to know, you know, me being
on the outside. They worked out of the wreck now
DJs and shit show.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
They came up with the DJs.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
That's how I came, you know what I'm saying, Like
you don't understand niggas for I Pop. I was in
the club thirteen fourteen years old when I when I
was able to get a little change, nigga, you want
to drink like you know what I'm saying. We came
up with the DJ A lot of the DJs that's
popping out the lbr N. The two days of all
these niggas, niggas in the club with young Nick.

Speaker 4 (19:18):

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Outside six seven days a week, we was outside, So
I'm knowing it already, you know what I'm saying. Of Course,
some new nicks in the city and new DJ you
know what I'm saying, and you get to meet them.
But so it was a thing where that situation happened.
And mind you, bro, Like when I say we was outside,
I was outside. Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like
that's how we got on outside fig ates so zero underground.

(19:41):
It don't matter what club, east side, west side, like
a vouch nigga. I'm saying like we was outside every club.
Just just imagine having that incident happened, and then you're
still outside the niggas and you dapping it and they
like they feeling the way, but you like, damn, like, yeah,
what's up?

Speaker 3 (19:58):

Speaker 4 (19:59):
You?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I I known you before the plaques. I know you
five six, seven years, Like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Now, hold up before did this hear you about the plaques? Did?
I never knew before the night happy you didn't even know.
You just went with the move because you.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Were working, coming to the club drunk already like he
so he got the plaques made, he got the plax made.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
So I'm just you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
I'm sitting on the shape like, hey, pass, he's out cool.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Pass because you think you're doing something good.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
I'm doing something good. Backfired on me so fasty son
and it was one of them things that I felt
like I felt played because one, I ain't no shit
about it, you know what I'm saying. I ain't going
with the intention like I'm about to pass these I
just right, nig I just went in like ship this ship.
Yeah yeah, And I just felt like like damn, like

(20:45):
I've been long and just showing love so long, Like damn.
It was the one little incident got everybody looking at
me like I did the worst ship in the world.
So that's when I got damn, you know what I'm saying.
Past my ship up and I moved to l A.
I wasn't feeling the vibe in the city, you know
what I'm say.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
And I was just like, you know what, And it's
hard fighting against it.

Speaker 3 (21:03):
It's hard fighting against it.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
But once everybody against you're like you ain't no really,
ain't no, ain't no trying to you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
That what going going through? See everybody against some more.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
That's it's a real thing till you clean it up.
It took me like three three years to clean it up.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
And then you moved to La. What happened though? When
I moved to La, Yeah, so so Okay, so the
dude call you from the radio. You you continue to
be outside. You starting to understand that ain't love, ain't
the same.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
Wasn't the same I felt, But I got to keep
doing what I'm doing, to keep moving, you know what
I'm saying. So I was like shit, you know what
I'm saying talking to my boy, was like, man, let
you go to l A and just, you know what
I'm saying, vibe out and see what's going on out there.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
So we just went out to LA. Was there for
a year and a half.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
We just what records are you making at this time?

Speaker 3 (21:47):
This went?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
I think it's right after Comfortable and Ship, you know
what I'm saying. Co Comfortable came about like fifteen.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
That's one of the ones though.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yeah, So we went to l A. Like I don't
want to get dates because I remember we came back
to A none of we went like sixteen into sixteen seven,
you know what I'm saying, Like we was. We was
out there, but it was one of them things like
a lot of nigg know when you go to LA,
it's a bunch of smoking mirrors.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
You feel me like you might think some shit lick,
but it ain't shit lit like you.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
To be honest, we went out there. We were just
I was just sucking it up.

Speaker 4 (22:21):

Speaker 1 (22:22):
I'm rising big ass cribs. I got the whole gang
with me. Were throwing party. We got kicked out this spot.
We go to another spot, we get kicked out that
you know what I'm saying. We just living like. We
didn't work hard, We didn't hit the road, were beating
the road up four, five, six times a week like
nigga go enjoyed the shit that we didn't when we didn't,
we already ran this shit up.

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Let's go just you know what I'm saying, kick it.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
But being out there it made me realize because we
was out like I said, we was out there for a.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Year and a half.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
I was like, damn, like we might be losing momentum
in the city because we started this shit in the city, right,
you know what I'm saying. This Around the time like
twenty one came out. Who else was popping at the time.
It was really in my head.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
When I think about it, twenty one was only in
my head.

Speaker 4 (23:04):
It took because it was crazy. He just shoot crazy.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
Because I had had the song with twenty one before
he popped, cause Sonny was working with twenty one. First
twenty one had a song called I Got One Foot In,
One Foot Out, and I did a remix. We never
put it out. This is before twenty one became twenty one.
So when I went to l A and I was like,
but that crazy super So he went crazy and I

(23:28):
was like, okay, cool and like I'm a smartness when
it comes to this, like the game, Like I'm a
student of this ship. So I studied this ship. Understand
how much I studied the game. When he came out
and I heard the sound, I was like, oh, this
ship a boy. The shift because I came out just melodic.
You know what, I'm talking to the streets, I'm talking
to the whole. But my sound was different. When twenty
one came. It was straight raw.

Speaker 3 (23:49):

Speaker 1 (23:51):
You feel me all? Oh that the sound changed because
I know I've been I've been in a land of
my whole life, Like I didn't seen every sound come
through that when it comes, if you ain't, if you
ain't got lot just they added to the algorithm, You're gone,
You're gone.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
Your sound is washed.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Seven is definitely added to the algorithm, and he and
he added it in a way where unlike some of
the melodic styles you can't really copy that.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
You can't copy.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
It was just him.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
It was just Roth. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
You can hear it was rough, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
And like I said, when the sound changed the city, like,
you can expect that to be the sound for the
next three four years, you know what I'm saying, till
something else coming around.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
So I was like, you think you're losing momentally, know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Like I'm like, okay, cool, Like it's changing. So we
was out there for a couple more months and me
and my dog, like we got to keep out of
the three cribs. Bro it got what you're doing with
your party. We just turned vibes out there smoking five man,
ain't gonna lie them. It was a good ad times. Yeah, yeah,
I had a great time, you know what I'm saying.
I was burning through bread.

Speaker 4 (24:55):
Money on them houses out there. I remember one time
I was with qcp uh there yeah them nigga. You know,
we was in the crib and the creer probably was
worth I don't know thirty me movie five movie. I
know I'm in that, and I say to myself, how

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much I wonder how much they paying a month for
this bitch?

Speaker 1 (25:18):
You know I was paying That's what I'm finishing as
I'm paying fifteen thousand a month, Lord have mercy.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
It was on lyric, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
I tried a project called Liar add the street was
called lear adding two highs down was walked in the
So I was feeling myself, like, shit, fifteen k a month?

Speaker 4 (25:34):
How many people was living in there? If you got
the whole label living in there, it might be worth
it because you got to get your tail feed.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
It's efficient. Yeah, but sh it still was slowing up though. Yeah,

Speaker 4 (25:44):
But how do you know? You how did you know
you was losing momentum just because the sound changed?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Or was the sound changing?

Speaker 1 (25:50):
You know what I'm saying. You as an artist, brother,
you know you know what ship changed? When when the
cars starts slowing up? When you when you when you
got a certain price, offer you a different price, right,
We're like, hold on, like talking about it. It's the price,
and you're like, what's something you know how that shit go?
You know what I'm saying. Like we've been running these
markets forever, like you know how that shit go. So,
like I said, I'm a students, So I was like, okay, cool,

(26:12):
something something changing. And then we don't get back to
the city quick. We washed you know what I'm saying
that and asked my dog Jeans we uh the last
crib we was in we was in Malleable. I don't
want to feel I think it was invallenable. We had
like a little beach house. Last little house we stayed in,
and by that time everybody we had an original house everything,
everybody started fading off.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
So it went from like.

Speaker 1 (26:31):
Seven in one house, about five next house. By the
time we got to the third, I was like three nicks,
my security and my DJ.

Speaker 3 (26:40):

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Last house, right, we was like start getting you know
what I'm saying. We were like, hey, we got to
go back to the city. Yeah, and it's around I
think like twenty seventeen eighteen. So I found your crib
in the city, like same shit, same a glasshouse. I
think uh jj Hickson was his old crib. Yes, Buckhead,
It was a Buckhead player, you know, what I'm saying.

(27:01):
Everybody know about robin Hood. Yeah, you know about robin Hood.
So we was in robin Hood, you know what I'm saying.
And ship we were just trying to you know what
I'm saying, figure this.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
How much was that a month?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Robinhood was probably like.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
That's cool.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
I was still going.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
But one thing about me, like I didn't even look
at it as I just wanted to create memories.

Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah, that's the thing. And also as an artist, you
need experience, and.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
You need experiences something something that got damn talking about
from Yeah we came to come back, go to all
little one bed apartments and be like, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Just saying it was gonna sound like some bullshit right,
Like we were just talking about Kanye. That's why envy
his ability to like understand, I'm going to Japan for
this album. I'm not here flying me. I don't know.
This is a whole different culture, but it's stimulated.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Like that's one thing I love about Kanye. How you
just take the vibe anywhere. We got the money to
take the ship anyway.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
That ship is not even more important than when I
say envy meaning that my personality won't allow me to
embrace that in the same way, but not even more
important than the money that he has the influence to
do it, because you can't call Casannett and tell them
to fly to Japan for a stream god like Nick

(28:17):
be like, yo, bro, I'm not coming to not doing
you know, but yay got the influence is money that
don't have the influence. But you come back, Let's get
back to your story because this is interesting as fun.
So you come back, you get their house, and y'all
get back the creating by first thing.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Okay, So I skipped the important part about La the
last crib. Crib I took like I say, about two
three weeks, bro, because at the time, we was called
ourselves slumps.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
We were slum little, remember, because I had slum anthem.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
I was um. Everybody and the crew had a slump something,
you know what I'm saying. And when we were doing
that ship, like the meaning behind slum we were just
wasn't just drunk, just turn you know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying, half niggas came from you
know what I'm saying, the bottom. So we just like
you know, slum lord.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
You feel me.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
That shit got so watered down because everybody started, you
know that was around, just start claiming it and it
just became like so I say, say, for example, so
it just affiliated claiming slum and he do some bullshit,
and that's making us look crazy, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
And it was getting too it was getting too sloppy.
So I told my business partner.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
I was like, bro, it's my djail at the time,
like bro, we gotta change the brand, like we gotta
disconnect and do something else. So I took like two
or three weeks that I was just on dictionary dot com,
like the saws and shit, trying to figure out a
name that represented me how I felt, you know what
I'm saying at that time, and I'm just going through things.
I asked my partner like about they like, ah, so

(29:48):
after you know what I'm saying, research and research and researching,
I found the name Rare, you know what I'm saying,
r A R E.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
I was like, shit, that kind of described me. You
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I don't be on that sh gonna be on board shot,
stay in my lane. I do my music, you know
what I'm saying, I I stand on my business.

Speaker 4 (30:05):
You know what I'm saying. I don't.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's just I just felt like I was rare individual.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
So we took that. Then we moved back to Atlanta
and I locked in at seven hundred Studios on Maria
of the Street with Naught and B and my dogs,
you know what I'm saying. And we we we locked
in for like a month some change, and we did
the first rare project.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
I named that Rare.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
That's my first got back to Atlanta and it had
like you know what, it had some bots on that,
you know what I'm saying. That was a That's when
the mixtape game was still going. So we put that
as a mixtape and ever since then and around that time,
that's when my momental was kind of you know what
I'm saying, because I don't know, like you got the underground,
you got mainstream. You can be popping underground and think
you you know what I'm saying, Well, I ain't gonna

(30:46):
say think, because if you popping underground, you got motion,
but mainstream of underground two different worlds. Like you got
you got your you got your average every day Soccer
Moms nine to five that's gonna get in the car
in the morning, play the radio and hear uh megan
a Stallum, like that's the biggest artist in the world.

Speaker 3 (31:03):

Speaker 1 (31:04):
They're not gonna get on the line of the mixtape
sits and be like, Oh this nigga like an NBA,
a young boy that came out the mixtape.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
They're not gonna be like, oh this nigga lick. They're
not gonna see it. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
They won't even compare break or exactly. You feel me.
So we was fighting that battle because between that time
it was Apple Music. Then you had the Live mixtape,
you had that Piff, you had Spin Reeler, you had
all them underground sits. So we were dropping on the
underground site because at the time in the scope we
wasn't seeing so they wasn't really but.

Speaker 4 (31:33):
They ain't try to stop your contracts, stop you from dropping.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
I wasn't getting paid from the ship though mixtapes. You
know what I'm saying, You don't. You wouldn't get paid.

Speaker 4 (31:41):
You wasn't even getting the upfront bags from Live mixtaipship
they were giving. Yeah, but I.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
Ain't get none of you.

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Were just dropping just to try to keep the momentum.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
I was dropping to feed my fans. I was dropping
to keep this ship going.

Speaker 4 (31:56):

Speaker 1 (31:57):
I knew I had a fan base, you know what
I'm saying, that was building. I was just trying to
keep my name relevant.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
How many years you go not making no money?

Speaker 1 (32:04):
That wasn't like two or three years, bro, I wont
like two or three because it was a situation where, man,
this ship is so deep. My story, my mama telling
me that I put up on my mom and to
day she was like, you need you need to drop
a movie, a documentary and let and let these folks
know like my ship.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
So the way.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
The ship that I went through.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Any other would have been lights out, cut the lights out,
the niggas over with, you know.

Speaker 4 (32:28):
What I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
But the type of Niam I couldn't go out like that,
you know what I'm saying. I wouldn't even make like
I'm cut from a whole different clock, like like I can't.
I couldn't see myself just falling off. Now I'm used
to be used to like you know what I'm saying,
Like he used to be this easy to do that.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
It's easy to do a lot of give up on that.

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Everybody think about all the mother niggas out when you
cut that.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
I know plenty you know what work looking for a
fork lift, putting on for show, for sure.

Speaker 3 (32:57):

Speaker 1 (32:58):
But I'm I ain't made like that, bro, Like that
wasn't that wasn't in my in my in my in
my story. Bro, And you actually got talent though you
wanted to one.

Speaker 4 (33:09):
But you know what, it's so messed up. This industry
is so messed up to where you can have talent
instilled that I remember talking to rich on me Korn
before you pass r I P d Hume. Well he
I would tell him how frustrating is it for your
ability to rap not to change. You can steal rap,
you can still catch the beat, catch the melody, but

(33:31):
it just ain't reacting.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Yeah, I could tell you it's a few things me
being in this game. And you know what I'm saying
present day, how much I know now how much I
knew then? Like you said, you can be as talented
as a mother what a thousand thousand artists as talented
as a motherfucker, don't get no money, can't get no.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
You know what I'm saying. It ain't about just tenant.

Speaker 4 (33:52):
First.

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Hard work beat talant any day.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
That's the fact.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Hard work beat talent in that you can be you
can be the nicest nigga. You ain't putting that work
in and and networking your way through the through these streets.
The worst club, like been through the worst club. The
best clubs is the worst club, the hoodies club.

Speaker 3 (34:06):

Speaker 1 (34:07):
I didn't did every You can't take none of that
from me because I didn't went through every step of
this ship.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
You feel me.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
So it's the hard work and and and the next
thing is.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
I say this all the time that this is some
ship I didn't know at the time. It's the business
that's I really.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Want to put that ship number one, right. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
I really want to put business number one because one
thing I didn't know is the business.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Like I went on.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
God, I went about two or three years without checking
my bank account, bro because I you know what I'm saying,
because my mama was handling my finances and I had
the mindset like shit if I swiped.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Them off and it worked, cool. You know what I'm saying,
it's kind of how. That's kind of how Nigga is
man Like.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I don't know why, but that's that's that just somebody
got to start.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Why why why were you like that? Because I was.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Getting so much money.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I was, god damn getting I'm having cash. I'm having
you know what I'm saying, Like, if I know I
got cash on me, this cash ain't gonna got them
to client. You know what I'm saying. The ship gonna
go through. So the car was second option. So if
I'm got damn blowing through the cash and I know
I ain't took my car, know some money on it.
You know what I'm saying, There's some money on the car.

Speaker 4 (35:15):
So that's how it was.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Just I was going to buy it, just like ship,
and I wasn't. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
One thing about me, Thank God, I ain't really money.
Like the only time my money up, I wouldn't even
say like I said, I create memories. But the cribs
and Ship was.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Like the most unpacking a lot, So I gotta I
gotta bag use up. I know they watching said loom
just they unpacking so much. We gotta bag up and
really get to some U. Let's let's get back to
you didn't make any money for two or three years,
and and your mom was saying, man, you need to

(35:48):
write a documentary. How did you survive two or three
years without making no money? Do you own your home?
Do you own all this ship? You ain't got a
lot of bills.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
I ain't had no I was living out the condos,
you know what I'm saying. Like I said, I made,
I made some money, but I probably made like honestly,
I don't know how much.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
What's the biggest check you done seen? Have you seen
a bad move like the ender scope breaking off at
least once?

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Or do?

Speaker 4 (36:13):
Have you got your shit and increments?

Speaker 1 (36:14):
Like what's the big I used to get quarterly checks
after I dropped an album. That was but that was
after I got damned recoup not yeah, that too, but
that was after Like you know what I'm saying, I
had a whole litigation of my old management, Like I
had hired lawyers. It took about six seven months, eight
months to get you know what I'm saying, get this
my shit? You know what? It was a lot that
went on because he was taking majority of my private,

(36:36):
you know what I'm saying. And it was a lot
that went on during that time.

Speaker 4 (36:40):
So that's what I'm saying. Though, how much money have
you made because.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
You just told my life probably during that time, probably
like I wouldn't say about three that's some good money,
you know what I'm saying. I probably made like three million. Yeah,
And at the time, like I said, I went the
most expensive thing I bought bro was.

Speaker 4 (36:58):
My Porsche, my sprinter.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
In the cribs. I wasn't just you know what I'm saying, Okay,
go to strip club. You know what I'm saying, go
to the club and ship like that.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Was we always in the ahead of.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
Time everything you're getting a check from performer with you
just going out for leisure and ship sections, ship like that.
But I wouldn't really my money up, you know what
I'm saying. I'd buy clothes.

Speaker 4 (37:21):
I wouldn't.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
I had stylus, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
It was just I wasn't just forty thousand then feet
thousand night like if I did that out been wiped
out a long time ago.

Speaker 4 (37:30):

Speaker 1 (37:31):
I was already decent with money because I before I
even got the money. I always fuck my money. I'm
always telling me like, damn you smoking cracker somethody.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
You always like, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
And this when I ain't have money, like when I
had the eb T car, my dad's picked child's pointing.
I just get forty dollars every every Monday, and I'm
I'm Chick fil Ay down, like you know what I'm saying.
First I was the dollar men McDonald, I got the car.
I'm chick fil a like who went up?

Speaker 4 (37:55):
Want to sound? You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
I'm on that type of time. So I was, and
I learned early as far was like, okay, money ship
you don't you know what I'm saying. If you, if you,
if you, if you spend it wrong, it's hard to
get it back. It's hard to get it back.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
But do you know that that two years right? So
so the two years that you went dropping music and
not making money, they were posed to break a niggas
yost a career post to die, that's what.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Nia You know what I'm saying, expected me to break,
You know what I'm saying. But I just feel like
I had a strong support.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
Did you save your money or did people step in
and hip you like how do? It was just.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
God bro?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
It was God Bro. It was just it was just
having faith. Like a lot of nig I was over with,
but I didn't think that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
I really had strong faith.

Speaker 1 (38:46):
Like man, they don't know what I'm about to do next,
you know what I'm saying, Like my ship, my business
was all but internally I knew I still had this ship.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
That's what's supposed to break a nick down the business
up the moment, I'm slowing down all this ship together
post a baker cake for nig But I.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Can't see myself not doing this ship. You know what
I'm saying, Like this is my lifestyle, this is my life,
Like music was my life. I came from this ship
like first it was basketball, you know what I'm saying
that the end of twelfth grade, but music was my
I just felt like that was my ship. So how
I look doing all this making all you know on
TV wants his part Grandma? I seeing me taking my
grandma Wendy Williams do and all this ship people my grandma,

(39:25):
you know what I'm saying. And all of a sudden
lights Like I said, lights out, How things gonna look
at me? I was like, hell no, Like I ain't
going out like that.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
So that's what drugs that. Really, they pulled the book,
you know, niggas bro embarrassment and person and Nick start
hading in the house. What he what he hoping there?
Just let him remember me when I was balling on God,
don't even let him see me like this. Then then
life gonna force you out. It's for you gotta go

(39:54):
make some money.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Then they gonna see they gonna see you at the
wrong spot and se.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
They gonna see you trying to get a job and
chill or something Hotel, Amazon, trying to embarrassing. Yeah, man,
but that's because you know, I don't think it's nothing
embarrassing about having to get a job, so right, I
think he understand that, like do what's necessary to feed
the family.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Music and she don't work out and they go get
a job.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Be working while they're doing to get to a place where.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Don't support like starving yourself, like just trying to just
go all out by some like take your dreams. You
know what I'm saying hundred percent, but like don't go
out bad, just trying to like keep up the image.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Super bad for a nigga, or.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Give you on that one pair of jeans. Don't even
gonna get a job because they wrap I wrapped rappers
can't have a job.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Trust me, I know, I know it, bro, Like you
know what I'm saying. I salut like you know what
I'm saying. Okay, this part time, it's a part time
the part time job. Do the music part time. That
ship might be a lot, but if you really want
the ship, you do it. You find a way to
make it work. Why do you think that the DJs
felt like they can draw a hard line against you
like this because because there's other rapn to treat DJ's

(41:13):
horrible and they don't give them that same Yeah, Vitri, y'all, Okay,
answer the first one. It was at one point in
the game where DJ's ran everything. DJ's ran everything for sure. Yeah,
there's gate keepers, you know what I'm saying. It's still
it's still like that today. But during when I was
coming up, it was way more serious.

Speaker 3 (41:33):

Speaker 1 (41:33):
You had the screens, dramas, the techniques like everybody. You know,
I'm just speaking on the land of DJs. You know
what I'm saying, Nia was really fucked up, like the
mixtape game, Like them niggas the ones, they're still the
ones slipped to my dogs, screen drama, my dollars to today.
But going to the second second ship the new Kniggs
who don't give a fu. The DJs, they came up

(41:55):
through a different era. They came up through the area
with the DJs when it's poortant and most important is
the internet and streaming in your phone, your phone and
DJ like you break your break yourself through your phone.
So they not really understanding like the power in any
kind of the game that did. You know what I'm saying,
It did this, you know what I'm saying, And right
now it's a whole new landscape. Like I was blessed

(42:17):
enough to even make it through from that side to
the new side, right to the streaming era, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
It was like right after them, you know, you.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Know what I'm saying, Like the cartoons and ship when
having that.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Little a little warp hole, Yeah yeah, yeah for sure
like that, yeah, get through.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
It came up when I was coming dead.

Speaker 1 (42:38):
They trying to figure it out, you know what I'm saying,
I'm still doing their things, still working trying to you
know what I'm saying, like sloping them, but that ships, it's.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Ain't caught one, ain't caught one. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (42:47):
The business behind the song that went to Fortnite? Did
you get paid from Fortnite? How?

Speaker 1 (42:51):
Yeah? I got paid for my love the little you
know what I'm saying. It wasn't life changing ship, but
it was you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (42:57):
Is it worth? I mean, did you feel the fix?
But I think there's something you know, they they've been
able to get our artists. And this is what I
don't respect about black culture, right, is that they'll do
ship for the white person for the look, yeah, and
then for the black person they're charging on in the
leg to do something. You know what I'm saying. But

(43:19):
I'm trying to figure out, like did you feel the
effects from being in Fortnite the children walk up on you?
Or did you feel your profile get bigger?

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I wouldn't say Fortnite, but when the song came out,
you know what I'm saying, definitely, because because that song
turned everything back up, it turned the lights back on.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
We were still working so you was you was dead
until the end.

Speaker 3 (43:40):
I wouldn't even call it dead, like you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Like I said the main three, the underground was underground,
like mind you during that time, I'm still torn. I'm
belding a fan base. Torn.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
I got that.

Speaker 3 (43:48):
I did probably like two three tours.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Did the price change?

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Yeah, price change as far as I ain't had no song.
Got that why I'm gonna tell your crazy story. I
remember I forgot who who put me down? Like cause
I was doing club show only when I came out,
I was in the clubs like I was a club artist,

Speaker 3 (44:06):
And I was getting forty at night.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
Forty forty forty forty forty forty, get six six days
a week, forty forty forty forty forty forty forty forty forty,
to the point you could ask my mom. I was like,
I need a break. I don't even want to do
no shows. I know I was getting too more money.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
I was like, I don't even want to do no shows,

Speaker 1 (44:24):
And I had spoke to somebody, damn, which I can
remember who the was talking to, but it was torn
Bro was there was a torn act. They was like, Bro,
when when your song ain't hot no more, what you're
gonna do? You know what I'm saying, Like, you ain't
about to get them forty it's gonna Yeah. That's say
paper that said Brown bad Money, call that Brown bad Money.
And at the time, I love that Brown Bad money.

Speaker 3 (44:45):

Speaker 1 (44:45):
I came up through the clubs like I was like,
nigga shit lick.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
So I mean one time, I know exactly where I
was at. I was on Huff Road.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
That's when they had that X three. I was training
with my mm a Pottery, like just doing it, just
training and shit. And I called my mama and I said, hey,
I don't think I I don't think I yeah, I
take one.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
I was like, I don't.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
I don't wanna.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
I don't wanna do uh appreciate you. I don't wanna
do uh clubs no more.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
She was like, what are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (45:18):
You know what I'm saying, Mama. You know what I'm saying,
my booking age. So she getting a fee too, you
know what I'm saying. So sh I was like, I
don't wanna do club no more. I wanna s I
wanna sell tickets, and she was like, you know what
I'm saying. She not really understanding that. She you know
what I'm saying, Mama hustle too, Like she was like, man,
what you mean?

Speaker 3 (45:32):
You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (45:34):
And I said, do not book me for no more shows?
I wanna get on t I wanna sell tickets. I
wanna build longevity, you know what I'm saying. And I
went that route and that route was.

Speaker 4 (45:42):
Hard, my boy, hard dramatically, didn't it?

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, drop liken them tours is so different, man, listen,
man like them toys is especially like if you ain't
got no s like base for real, like real fan base.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
So you made this decision without a record out boy
you game? Were you still side with Interscope then? Do
you think that in the scope pushed back on you.
Were you making any moves that they were like what
is he doing these bullshit?

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Or I never? I never What made deal with them?

Speaker 4 (46:13):
So what what made them stop with it? Was?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
It was it was my management, bro. You gotta understand,
Like when I signed a deal, it was in the
scope it was my management slash production company, and it
was me when I fired my management, my management and
my production coming did did a deal in the Scope.
So just imagine me getting rid of my management, Like hey,
I'm calling in Scope, like hey, I.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Ain't got the manage one one. What we're doing.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
They're like, we're not.

Speaker 3 (46:39):
Doing betting with you, We're doing business with them.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
Is it because of the paperwork?

Speaker 3 (46:43):
His paperwork contract?

Speaker 4 (46:45):
So they wouldn't go around not budgeting.

Speaker 1 (46:47):
They wasn't budgeting for me. You know what I'm saying.
If he so, I couldn't make no move. My hands
was tied.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
So you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (46:55):
When it came to drop an out of anything, because
I was in the whole litigation with Bruh, I couldn't ship.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
So we were like, okay, we're gonnajail.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
We're gonna just sit here and burn out, or we're
gonna god damn find a way to keep this ship going.
So we went underground, we went live mistakes, we went
all the underground site, We got them hitting the roll,
we torn. We're trying to build something up to get
this ship back to where it needs to be. And
you know what I'm saying, So you.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
Do the tour thing you tell moms do the tour thing.
Did you go on to immediately or I like, you

Speaker 1 (47:25):
After You know what I'm saying. We got the right
tea together to structure right and we're doing like.

Speaker 4 (47:29):
So you did your own tool.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah yeah, yeah, like anybody would putting my tours together,
putting that money up, put my tours together.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
It's door buses, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Hotel like I've been. I've been putting that money up forever.
That was I take ship from me. When I say
I'm a boss, I do this sh it.

Speaker 4 (47:45):
You ain't.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
If you ain't putting your money up, You're not a boss.
I've been putting that money up from the jump, you
know what I'm saying. And present present now shiploaded loaded.
Don't believe it.

Speaker 4 (47:55):
Go take a look shiploaded Like yes, man, Now when
you so so you back in Atlanta before you got
the song that ended up in Fortnite, I forgot the
name so later took over the world that month, So
that beat with h then you just see you got
this mono tone that you can do right then you

(48:17):
don't get it. You don't get too excited. You know
what I'm saying in this pocket.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
You know where I learned that from that Juicy J. No,
that's cheeko.

Speaker 1 (48:26):
I'm right. Had a session with Juicy J when we
had we had a song called all I Do it,
I forgot the name it. All I Do is drunk
some ship like that. And I was in the studio
with Juice J. And I was like, I said, I'm
a student, so it's engineered with he was you know
what I'm saying When he was toopping like Juicy J ship,
I was like, why are you doing like they like? Man,
I gotta keep them in pocket. I was like, damn packet.

Speaker 4 (48:45):
I like that ship.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
You know what I'm saying That that pocket crazy because
you right you right between the claps, right between the
right between the eight o waight, and it ain't sloppy.
It's like right in it in the pocket, like saying
that pocket. And I did that tim from Juicy J
and engineering, and I took that ship with me and
that's how I just every I was just practice standing
in that Packastan.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
Show I showed was the business still up at lottery
and because of the hit song pop up, it'll make
the business right.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
Yeah, it it was still it was still shaking it
round around around that time. That's when ship was like
we was, we was, we was, We was in negotiation
and how to get him all the way out of
my ship and me have a clear path due the
fun out knowing so again with lottery, you know what
I'm saying, Like, like I said, we were dropping mixtastes
like wrestling, like we were still working bro like we

(49:33):
still had fans rooting for us.

Speaker 4 (49:35):

Speaker 1 (49:36):
We still was building something that you know, he was building,
like I said earlier, was underground the mainstream and I
got a story about that that know about when it
come to the Apple Music and Spotify training air like.

Speaker 4 (49:48):
R P Dauph P do. This was.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
This is before Gatsi became Gotsi the big dog.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
Yeah, yeah, cause what I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
I'm gonnaell you. I'm'a tell you quick back story. My
ship all over the place, you know what I'm saying.
But this shit, it's real life ship, this ship really
haven't We was in a little five points. He from
a little five points you know, I forgot it was
like all start it was. It was something going on
in Atlanta six seven years ago and I remember we
was outside the club, were about to go inside the club,

(50:17):
and it was a man in front of us that
this kid would give them a hard time not letting
them in. My boy tapped me, he said, hey, but
that's Gasi. At the time, I didn't know who GAYSI was.
But Gazi was already working with my old management. He
the one that damn pushed money baby cut off. He
was already working my ship. But I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (50:37):

Speaker 1 (50:37):
Like I said, I was just on some you know
what I'm saying, went in the business. So he told
me that's guys. He's like, man, that's nigga. You know
what I'm saying. I told like, hey, he with us.
You know what I'm saying, right, And he let guys in,
Guys can vouch. He let guys in and guys like,
what's up? Count?

Speaker 3 (50:54):
I was like, what's up?

Speaker 1 (50:55):
I'm acting like I just knew it. You know what
I'm saying, just playing the roll, right, you know what
I'm saying, Like, what's up? You know what I'm saying,
Good to see you. And that started our relationship, you
know what I'm saying. Because after that I ain't even
I just went to party. You know what I'm saying,
Guys did what we did, what I did, what I did.
And that's when I'm starting to see Empire started.

Speaker 3 (51:12):

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Now you got Dolphin Ship like everybody, you know what
I'm saying, coming through the Empire system. And like I said,
it was a it was a separation gap between the
mixtape game and Apple Music's when streaming was just starting
to like either you're dropping the album or you're dropping
a mixtape. That when the game was album mixtape. So
during the time, because I you know what I'm saying,

(51:34):
I came up listening to doll My Punishes.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
You know.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
You know what I'm saying in the truck. It's just
Doph uh jew it man. You know what I'm saying.
You know what I'm saying, that's that was a soundtrack,
you feel me? So I knew from dropping mixtapes. But
then I started seeing doff projects hitting Apple Music and Ship.
So I'm like, how the fun is this dog getting
on Apple Music?

Speaker 3 (51:55):

Speaker 1 (51:56):
We was fighting to getting no alp of mute. We're
trying to get we were trying our hardest get our
music because Scope wasn't doing shit for it, So like,
how to we get on Apple Music? That's the new lane. Damn.

Speaker 4 (52:05):
So this is what before tout Cordon knew about all that.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
All that, so I'm like, who getting music? The whole
was signed the Empire. I remember I got in contact
with Ghazi. I said, hey, bro, I'm trying to drop
my project on Apple Music. That's all I cared about. Like,
I'm just trying to drop my shit on Apple Music.
He was like, shit, that's cool. Like you know what
I'm saying, Come and fly to the Bay. I flew

(52:30):
to the Bay. I took my my DJ. We flew
to the Bay, met with Ghazi, sat in the room
with him, him Nima. I was like, bro, all I
want to do is get my shit on the goddamn
mainstream math music.

Speaker 4 (52:42):

Speaker 1 (52:42):
He's like, we can do that easy. I was like,
all right, cool. I hit up Joey from in the Scope,
which he was he was the head of Urban at
that time. I was like, Joey, I just left from
the Bay met with Ghazi. He said I could put
my album on Apple. Joey hit me back like I
don't think that's a good idea. There, shut me down
like I done, flew all the way to the goddamn

(53:03):
the other side of the nation, worked to deal thinking
I'm just turned You know what I'm saying, Why why
you turned contract contra But see Gutzi them fighting. Damn,
That's why I love.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
This man.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
Guys, he you got free, free for all. He gonna
he gonna but on ship.

Speaker 4 (53:25):

Speaker 3 (53:25):
Why I related to guys.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
So you know what I'm saying. Joey turned me down,
killed my whole confidence because I thought I put I.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
Pulled a move.

Speaker 3 (53:35):

Speaker 1 (53:36):
I get back home probably a week past. That's when
we was on robin hood. That's when we just partying
and boardship and ship. We still we still having campaign.
One thing I did that I'm glad I did. And
I came from doing this. Guys throw parties and ship
when I was in high school and ship, like you
know what I'm saying, like teen clubs. I used to
pass our flies to Southern Bread back in the day.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Like you know what I'm saying. We came from that world.
One thing I did it, I'm glad I did.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
I always threw kickbacks and like private vibes at the crib.
So all the baddest there, all the popping, you know
what I'm saying. The nigga, I knew that was you
know what I'm saying, the cool nigga. They had my
shit and he was like an invite on this type vibe.
So if you wasn't invited, you always like damn, like
you know what I'm saying. And we just take everybody
that was at my party and we just go go
to the club twenty twenty deep, twenty five deep with

(54:18):
Bad Busy. We in the club were playing. That's when
I dropped racks like this with money Bag. I put
money bag Y on it before money Bad became. You
know what I'm saying, crazy crazy popping, and we we
in the club campaign and so nigga, what camp got
going on?

Speaker 4 (54:29):
Mind you?

Speaker 1 (54:29):
I ain't got nothing going on. Radio ain't got you
know what I'm saying. So we always had a campaign.
So going back to the Gaji shit, I'm in the crib,
I'm sleep I wake up. I get a miss call
from Gatzi. I call Gotji back. I'm like, what's up, bro, guys,
you like, I got some good news.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Talked to me.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
He was like, we can put your project on our
music now.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
So I'm turning like hell yeah, Like damn, Like what happened.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
He ended up signing the deal.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
I think it was where you versal.

Speaker 3 (55:01):
He did a whole deal.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
So my the ship I did sparked the whole new deal.
And if you think about it, during that time, the
mixtape game disappeared and straight Apple Music, Spotify, like the
whole mixtake game kind of like you know what I'm saying,
kind of evolved into the whole new era, and I
felt like I had my hand on that, you know
what I'm saying, And like because I took that leap

(55:23):
of faithful when that.

Speaker 4 (55:23):
Was the conversation with guys in Universal to strike the deal, I.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Never even really, you know what I'm saying, dug it,
dug into it. All I know is like, shit, I
can put my shit on Apple now.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
I don't care about what deal they did.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
Whatever I said sparked something, and now I can put
my shit on Apple, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (55:40):
So that was the whole thing. So we just working
boom boom.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
You know, I'm saying, dropping the Kiss series, I'm doing
all the look the Rare family. You know what I'm saying,
we drop him and after all that dropping like we
had like I said, we had recks like this. I
shot the video money Bag. I could feel that we
were getting at tracks. In the club they started playing
recks like this, like the Flame Magic, you know what
I'm saying. The clubs that we came up like DJ's fuck.

(56:03):
I go in the club, they boom rest like this
and we turned, you know what I'm saying. So I'm like, okay,
we're getting some motion back. I remember James like this
the one I said, Nah, this ain't the one. I said,
the next one gonna be the one. And the next
one was.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Lottery Wow, and Lottery got them a lot of with
crazy it said. Do you know I always ask rappers
do they have accountants? Like to know because meet me
know exactly how much the intro made, Like he'll tell you,
like I made the intro made twelve million dollars, Yeah,
eleven million dollars leven Do you know how much money

(56:37):
lottery made a whole lot?

Speaker 3 (56:40):
But did I see all that?

Speaker 2 (56:41):
No?

Speaker 3 (56:42):
I was still in that deal.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
You know what I'm saying. I see that's the thing,
like when you get out of the deal, because they
worked those records, they be working it because they got
interest in it. They ain't really work that record at all.

Speaker 1 (56:56):
I was with I was they downstreaming the Empire, so
we was running. We was running through Empire, but we
was putting all the lead work in for that record
We're going out to you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Like the Empire worked the record.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Empire helped big time, you know what I'm saying, because
they put a little marketing dollars behind it.

Speaker 3 (57:09):

Speaker 1 (57:10):
They gave it life.

Speaker 4 (57:11):

Speaker 3 (57:11):
But we you know what I'm saying, Like I said,
like we I.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Really hate that side of the business. Bro, It's bullshit,
you know what I'm saying. You don't know what you're doing,
like you can. You can easily get wiped out this ship.
So lottery took off, you know what I'm saying. That's
when the world caught on. That's when the girl did
the damn shout out to lay it. That's when the
white girl on tik tok and they stole it.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
So it was a big deal. Wasn't it wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah, something about somebody else stole it. That's how I
got in front of it. And tell you how God worked.
Bro So lottery was you know what I'm saying. I
could see it moving online when you you as an artist.
I don't know if if y'all, but I knowing some
ship about the Pope.

Speaker 4 (57:47):

Speaker 1 (57:47):
It's how many reals you're seeing, how many times you're
getting tagged in that bit you get on Twitter? You
see that make you get on Instagram, you see that
bit when you go outside somebody like that that new
you know ship cooking.

Speaker 4 (57:59):

Speaker 3 (58:00):
I knew that mom was cooking.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
So one day I get on Twitter and I see
I get tagged in a j C News. That's a
big publication, you know what I'm saying. News, You know
what I'm saying. And they was talking about a girl
who did a dance to my song that.

Speaker 3 (58:15):
Wasn't getting credit. Mind you, I ain't.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
I wasn't on.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
TikTok, I wasn't on none of these.

Speaker 4 (58:19):

Speaker 3 (58:20):
I wasn't on that. So I'm like, damn, like this
can go left.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
You know what I'm saying, Like the song doing too good?
If they got damn if this, if this posted, if
it's damn tweet go up, it can make me look
crazy like I'm I'm not for the creator.

Speaker 3 (58:34):

Speaker 4 (58:35):
That turned down? So yeah, yeah, yeah, so and that's it.
That'll they can turn on them, that.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Can turn on the You know what I'm saying, Black
you know you're like black girl, you ain't you know
what I'm saying, you know, twist ship something else? So
tell you how God work. So I reached out and
one of my dollars you probably know, you know past certified, well,
you know our generational German and Pat.

Speaker 3 (58:58):
I don't know how I got on the phone.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Pat.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
He he called me. He had to call me because
I ain't know he even had connection. He was like, Bro,
that girl, that's my homegirl from a college daughter. I
was like, ain't no fun. You know what I'm saying, Like,
but that's her daughter, bro. And it was around Valentine's Day.
It's around Valentine's Day. I was like, ship, bring him
to the studio. You know what I'm saying, like, bring
the girl. You know what I'm saying, I give him

(59:20):
a little bear, give him some Valentine ship, and we
record him doing the dance and I'm in the.

Speaker 4 (59:25):
Video in the a room.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
He was like, shit, all right, cool made the call
and if you go you know what I'm saying, type
of all of Google. And I had j Laya and
her friend doing the dance, and I mean, I've seen bouncing.

Speaker 4 (59:39):

Speaker 1 (59:39):
That bit went viral. That bit went viral like that
what took the ship up through that was wholesome.

Speaker 3 (59:45):
It was wholesome, you know what I'm saying. And that
ship like it changed the whole narrative of what they
try to you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (59:53):
So what they separating you from the girl? What they
separating because mom do? What was so explained to the
audience exactly what happened with the dance and the record.

Speaker 3 (01:00:04):
To my understanding, I ain't really go too deep.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
And take it where somebody stole. The Layer started the dance.
She created the dance. The Layer is a dancer, you
know what I'm saying. She created the dance and started
catching steam on tip top. The white girls with Commilia. Yeah,
because I was they did the dance after and everybody
thinking they did the dance. You know what I'm saying,
they think and they created the dance.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
So it was a whole little thing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
And that dance community, whever the influence whatever, whatever community
it is, it was a It was a whole thing
saying like these girls took this dance from this little
black girl black created.

Speaker 4 (01:00:39):
You feel you were behind that. Your song was really
strong in it because they was like, Yo, they're taking that.
And what I got right here is that it I
think she did NBA games or something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
That ship, you know what I'm saying. They called us
to the to the NBA All Star Game. You know
what I'm saying, she did the dance. Hats like that
ship went through the moon. Like that ship.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
You know what I'm saying. It was a blessing from God.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
But it was so crazy because you know what I'm saying, like,
just imagine everybody thinking your ship over with you know what, Yeah,
I didn't have meetings with it. And he gonna say
their names like and known before they even got in position.
How they you can always feel an energy, how they
feel about what you got going on. You know what
I'm saying, Like you tell them something, they like, Okay,
you know what I'm saying. You can always tell how

(01:01:23):
they feel about you by his reaction to what you're
telling them. And I'm like, damn, in my head, I'm like, oh,
these niggas, they think I'm over it, you know what
I'm saying, like the whole and I'm like, Okay, I
got something proved of these niggas. So we still like,
like I said, going back to the to the drawing boards,
torn still dropping for the fans, still putting that work,
but it's not a mainstream level. So when lottery came
and everybody, you know what I'm saying, riding dick now

(01:01:45):
and I'm like, I told y'all shit, wasn't know Like no,
I'm in Fortnite Taco Bell commercial All Star Game.

Speaker 4 (01:01:52):
I went hear the roll.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Yeah, the beat was on ship, Like you know what
I'm saying, Like the ship went so crazy and this
one thing, like I tell every artist for real, like
stay in the studio, bro, stay in the studio. You
know what I'm saying. Keep because I'm gonna tell you
what say. I ain't ain't gonna say save me because
this ship was pre premeditator, bro, we knew what the

(01:02:14):
we was doing, you know, well, we knew what we
was doing. When Lottery came out, I was already recording
Kiss five, which is one of my biggest albums today.

Speaker 4 (01:02:25):

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
Like I was recording Kiss five, I had features from
Black Ari Lennox, I had just ceez on that mother
from your Mind Ice Cold, Uh, Jeremy, I had you

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
The ship was loaded up.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
So when Lottery came out, of course the mother would
be like what else he got? This is a song,
you know, still trying to play you feel me like that?
Just a song like songs every day. And I dropped
Kiss five on the top during the during the pandemic
and game up and Game up, and that made me
look at me like, oh, this nigg really do this ship?

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
You know what I'm saying, Like, it's not a game.

Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Listen to Camp. You know, Camp do this ship.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
But a lot of niggas, man, you know how this
game and they count you out so fast you can
prove it, do this ship ten years straight.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Look out, they're doing Drake. But it's yeah, we finna
get to Drake.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
But you know what I was.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
So it's funny is that the labels a disappear song
like it all pop and they'll come back around. It's
it's damned the disrespectful cause they act like they ain't
been gone.

Speaker 3 (01:03:24):
Like a stress happened with me. They came back around.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
I had called I had when a lot of it
was going crazy, but shit had like probably I think
it was like ninety something million strange without and it's goope.

Speaker 3 (01:03:34):
Help and I had I had I had.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
You know how powerful that is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
It's powerful. And I remember I was on the flight.
I forgot where I was going.

Speaker 1 (01:03:41):
I was head to a show and the group check
with my management at the time, we were talking about it,
and I was just getting mad at in the group check.

Speaker 3 (01:03:47):
I was, you know what I'm saying. I was just,
you know, my feelings that day.

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
So I got on Twitter and I tagged Joe, was like,
hey man, this song doing blah blah blah streams and
y'all ain't doing shit. Y'all ain't let me go. I
put it on the Twitter, like you know what I'm saying,
say she peed it up?

Speaker 4 (01:04:01):

Speaker 3 (01:04:03):
As soon as I landed on my phone up like

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
I'm just knowing it. Like y'all said what I said.
You know what I'm saying, Like get right, you feel me,
and you know what I'm saying. After me bucking, and
a lot more went with that. Just it wasn't just
that situation. It was a lot more. I just a
lot of bucking. Ain't gonna lie I was bucking during
that time.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
I was.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I was angry, always get paid.

Speaker 4 (01:04:23):
I had a baby on the way, man, I was,
I was.

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
I was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
My mind was dark.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
You know what I'm saying. I was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
I was in a dark space.

Speaker 4 (01:04:28):
So I was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:29):
I was like, nig I'll give a nobody and nothing
like I'm gonna say how I feel. I'm gonna do
what i want. Problem with it, I'm gonna go all
out about it. So when the ship popped, you know
they had no choice cause you look crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
If I'm signed. I showed y'all hands.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
You know what I'm saying, I'm signing to you, and
you got me going through a whole damn distribution coming
and I'm not even sign to them. Like all the
faith the guy that shot the guy that's my dog
for life. He was fucking me, you know what I'm
because he already had passed. He know, my ship make money.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
He made money.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
If cut off money, but back, you know what I'm saying.
I knew my ship was in the green.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
My ship was green.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
I never been in the red. My ship was alway green.
So I made the money. So I'm like, I talked
to her like, bro, you don't like money or something
like what y'all doing. I just swear to the guys
on the phone will like, bro, you don't like money
or something. So that forced in the scope hand like
all right, bring camp back.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Then that's when I dropp Kiss five. That's when they
gave me like the they just push popped me up,
you know what I'm saying. And the project was amazing.
It was one of my you know, my best work today.
And and that kind of like put me back in there.
He back and then they camp back. Been doing this
ship y'all just ain't see because I wasn't getting that push,
you feel me? So it was one of them things
and I just took advantage of when I drop Kiss five,

(01:05:42):
I had like three four more hours left in the
scope and I just hit the ground running. I dropped
Kiss five, I dropped uh, I think it was rare family.
I dropped five Forever. I dropped the Float album.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
You know why I did this is the game, right
you made so much money with lottery for them, regardless
if because I'm always interested in knowing, I'm already knowing
they I'm already knowing that they might have seen five six, seven, eight,
nine ten million off their record and shot you under
the ticket.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Yeah tight, sh yeah, shot me crumb.

Speaker 4 (01:06:13):
Yeah, And I can and I know that because they
only are gonna push those records and prop them up
when they have that advantage on like your independent records,
even if you got a partnership, they don't have that
incentive to push them in the same way when they say,
look we own seventy percent of this song. Put this pipsy,
put it over here, put it extra. Know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
Yeah, sure, so wow, that's how that shit went, you
know what I'm saying. And now your deal with them
is over with now yeah, my last my last album
with the.

Speaker 3 (01:06:48):
Album in twenty two.

Speaker 4 (01:06:49):
Are you utilizing Empire stel or you you just doing
it yourself?

Speaker 3 (01:06:54):
I'm doing it myself. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I got I got some I did aw a new Strutgure,
I did like a master p deal probably like the last.
No verybody just an't announce it it right, you know
what I'm saying. Like, but during that time, you know,
we we got our own distribution company.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
My DJ, my my business partner, we started up all here.
It's called mixtape monopoly, you know what I'm saying. And
I was we was distributing our own shit through our
own shit, so I'm getting paid direct.

Speaker 4 (01:07:16):

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
He was getting great acquisition. You know what I'm saying,
top tier you know what I'm saying. Playlisting, marketing. You
know what I'm saying. We was doing the shit ourselves.
Like my last album, I put out Floats in London.
I'm out of pocket. I came out of pocket, probably
twenty fifty thousand, all my own money to put out.
You know what I'm saying. I went to London and
shot the whole, the whole roll out by myself. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, went to London, dolo and

(01:07:38):
shot the whole campaign and came back.

Speaker 4 (01:07:40):
Had Instagram looking like glass like this doing right.

Speaker 1 (01:07:44):
I stand on the art. I stand on the brand
and tell that you know what I'm saying. I care
about the brand and care about the art. I don't
give none of else. Of course, the music and the
other spit. You can always tell when nick don't give
a fuck the art, cause it's gonna show. The niggas
gonna that that's different between major and independent. You keep
coming through like you're still on major, they gonna treat

(01:08:05):
you like, Okay, this nigga still having ship going on.

Speaker 3 (01:08:08):
You got damn start shooting ship with the iPhone and
ship looks crunchy. Hell, nigga, Oh this fall he done?
You know what I'm saying. You can see from here
to hear right, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:08:17):
The interesting thing about people like NBA Young Boy is
that he would be major but operating like a mind exactly,
you know, like an independent like he would be dropping
ship that ain't even done, songs finish, but it's fan
based with edith.

Speaker 3 (01:08:32):
You nig like, that's raw shit. I ain't gonna lie.
NBA shot the NBA Young that nigga.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
When I seen how that got damn coming through the
screen like video at the video song got the song.
He turned me up. I was like, oh, hell no,
I ain't working hard enough like the young nigga.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Through and gunning, gunning, and you can find yourself because
you got that kind of vibe where the art is
present in your mind. They can outrun you if you
ain't careful. You know what I'm saying, keep dropping running
gun video shoes. They and they'll have major artists because
they are major. Like Dirt would do the same thing.

(01:09:09):
Would it be a lot of running gun shoes, a
lot of running ship.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
I ain't got no problem with that, cau I do
that ship too, But it's a time and the place
like okay, if you know, like you can always run
a gun and do some ship and some shit to
catch some shit, to just be have three four five
hundred thousand, you know what I'm saying. Like, but you
know when you're trying to god damn compete with the Drakes,
the Weekends, the Kendricks and the title of the credit,
the asat Rockies and you know where they come with.

(01:09:33):
Because understand, like these brands like Coca Cola, Pepsi, all
these top brands. Them run on brand structure, Like you
ain't gonna see God Damn Coke going outside, they brand.
You ain't gonna see Pepsi going outside, they brand. And
if you as an artist, you gotta think that way
because why why would why would Coca Pepsi?

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
If your ship sloppy?

Speaker 1 (01:09:52):
Right, if you ain't coming through looking like glass and
your ship from A to Z looking like they're not
gonna because you're gonna, they brand exactly. So I look
at it like, you know what I'm saying, look at
myself as a brand. I try to come through like
if anybody come see my ship, if anybody come to
my page or come through my world like oh this
nigga shit built up?

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
And that go a lot further because I can put
the mic down and get a contract with Calvin Klein
or Door or something and they paying me fift thousand
a month. You know what I'm saying, Like I ain't
got a touch. You know what I'm saying, lists I
want to you know what I'm saying. I'm trying to
go that route where I ain't gotta just I love
the studio.

Speaker 3 (01:10:29):
I don't get me wrong. I stay in at it
on the pim, but if I don't have to, because
that shit work.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
It's hard work, you know, like creative hours and actually
doing this shit, like niggas put shit out and be like, yeah,
I just put this shit out. When I do this shit,
I recording engineer, that bitch. I'm bringing artist, I'm doing
the Kanye shit. I'm really in there, like I'm chopping
vocal sept Three four in the morning out my mind,
wake up and seek go back in there, like I'm
actually really taking this shit so seriously. That's why it's

(01:10:57):
coming out sounding like that. I ain't just going there
and saying some shit like put this shit out right now.
The alleys got to hit, these harmonies, got to hit
whoever I put on this bit.

Speaker 4 (01:11:04):

Speaker 1 (01:11:05):
I'm really in there, like on some scientists mad scientist shit.
So it's like, I know how much work I'm putting
in the studio to get my fans what they won't
and like, I love it to death. But if I
ain't gonta do that twenty four seven, I can go
get another bad one hundred two hundred thousand.

Speaker 4 (01:11:18):
Just taking a picture or walking somewhere or doing bring
it here right. And you've always had that BRAIND preservation
like you gave you. You've always cared about your brain.
That's what I'm saying, Like

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