Don't Be Messy

Jill, Laiya, and Aja have all been the subject of rumors -- some based in truth, some comically false, and some wildly insulting. It's human nature to speculate and gossip, but sometimes we go too far. According to rumors, Jill had a baby with D'Angelo; Kindred the Family Soul performed at a wedding in the early '90s; and Laiya has a big mouth. (OK, Laiya says that one may have been true at one point.) Some rumors are fun. But others are just "foul," as Jill puts it. Let's keep it light. And if you do hear a nasty rumor spread about you, don't let the lies steal your peace. Advice from the ladies: Don't be messy! Plus, a much-needed conversation with Dr. Nicole Verdun, the director of the FDA's Office of Blood Research and Review, about the COVID vaccine and the skepticism and hearsay that surround it.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to Ja Dot Del a production of I Heart Radio.

(00:26):
That was that was what's up Everybody's um Welcome to
Jay dot Little Podcast. This is Joe Scott, This is
Agia r. Graydon Danceler. You got longer. There's there's a
middle name there. We'll discuss it another day. All right. Well,

(00:47):
this is like, yeah, don't worry about my last name, like, uh,
not say your last name Clair. I just try to
be you know, fine and not formal. But that's fine.
That sounds like such a good name. And then when
you added Margaret on the front of it, did it
just take a turns Margaret liah Sinclair. Is she black?

(01:10):
Is she white? I don't know. Yes, yeah, my mother
obviously did the same thing. Yeah. The whole name is
Jill Heather Scott tether Heather. Oh my god, it's so
nice to meet you. Heather. Heather as the one lady
with the ethnic name that's not really ethnic because it

(01:32):
comes from a white pop rock group. Really. Asia Asia
is the name of um. I think it's the fourth
album from Steely Dan. Wow, that's what that's what your
parents did. They loved at you. I Gotta name Me
after an album cover which is fantastic, considering the um

(01:54):
alternative names, which were for a girl so journal and
for a boy tu sons went to the people because
the people got the power. Well, I I knew a
young woman named Vagina. That's real that yep. And her

(02:15):
daughter's name is Soritha. I can't make this up, Ama,
Vagina and Sertha. I haven't seen either of you in
a very very long time. I hope you're okay. Listen.
I think that's a form of resistance. Name your children
some made up ship, That's what I'm saying. Name them,

(02:36):
name them whatever you want, like it was made up. Yeah,
but just if we're gonna be truthful, Karima put two
names together my mama like La Laila. I like that
together day for him lay Well, that's what happened with
Joyce and Bill. Yeah, n right, Okay. So since we

(03:07):
were discussing names and I talked about my middle my
middle name is also a hybrid. Are you all ready?
I'm ready? The father's name. The father's name is Richard.
Can't name the daughter Richard, so we feminized it to
be rich Sharna. Wow, you win. Rich Please tell me

(03:42):
what type of lester products I will be receiving for
this scramble board win. Wow, hook me up. The h
is a sound Okay, this is some so to Katie
Ship Jill Sharina Casell, like a whole flock of chickens

(04:10):
or a Jewish holiday. I do not know or wish holiday.
We're out of school for Risharina. Okay, I want that.
I want that holiday will be fasting for No, no disrespect. No,
I don't see that was messed up. I got a

(04:30):
really back no disrespect. I was perfect. Made me take
my sweatshirt off. He got hot in my last and
that was good. You do win. You're here a hero man.
Thank you. I've lived for to two years with that.
Thank you, thank you. Wow, and hanging I'm hanging in there.
Thanks for asking. You know, it's interesting. I really appreciate

(04:51):
our parents for, you know, just going for it. We
were in Nordea billy, okay, and you named your daughter
Jill Heather. It was supposed to be a first name.
Actually it was supposed it was supposed to be Jill Heather.
That was my first name, you know, like straight off
of the Waltons. Wow, like Sherrianne or something that got

(05:16):
come come Jill Heather, let me show you to the pond.
You know, that was what it was supposed to be.
And then she put an exclamation point at the end.
So it's Jill Heather Scott. Just so you know, I
don't understand what you mean. You can't do that? Did
she did? And she could one of my birth certificate

(05:36):
as an exclamation at the end of my name supposed
to be great? This is I never in my life
have you ever heard about any kind of like exclamation
point of anything. I've never heard of it. But it's
so lack as ship ever to my life, and for me,
I'm with it in fact, should that they're gonna do it. Listen,

(05:56):
you've been pronouncing it wrong this whole time. It's Jill Scott,
so you know, Oh, just so you know, Okay, all right,

(06:19):
I'm gonna try to come back alive today. Who today, y'all?
We we are talking about rumors? Oh man, I know,
I don't. I don't know anybody anywhere anytime that hasn't

(06:44):
had a rumor spread about them for whatever reason? Does
do the reasons matter? Sometimes? Okay? What could be a
good reason to spark a rumor? Oh? I spoke too soon?
She was gonna pick on me first, um, because sometimes
you do it unconsciously, not knowing that you spread in

(07:07):
the rumor. It might have been truth in your mind. Baim. Okay,
So here we are with the truth in your mind
because he has his truth and she has her truth,
and they have their truth. But I think that somehow,
I don't think I know, somehow, some way the truth

(07:28):
it's void, yea. Some some stuff is just a straight
up lock. Yes, you know. It's like you a lie
when not liar, just you a lie. Some stuff is
just a straight up lie, you know. And then then
and then you figure what is the reason to start
a straight up lie? Well, usually in my experience, people
the rumor comes from some place of anger, jealousy usually

(07:51):
the big J word jealousy, you know. Or there's an
agenda sell products stuff like that, people trying to you know,
get people in a frenzy talking about him, you know,
that kind of thing, I guess. But then who knows.
They end up either being so ridiculous that people just

(08:11):
like to just you know. I'll give you an example.
I had to look this up. I was in the
bed with the husband and he talked about something. Did
you know that Vanessa del Rio is sisters with feliciarus
shot and Debbielle. I said, if you don't go to

(08:35):
bed too, it's real. No, for real, it's real. Somebody
would have mentioned that. I said, sir, specially, that's not real.
He said, he told about something. He said, well, I
heard it a lot coming up. I said, let me
go google this. Now turns out that it is not true.
But it is a very well spread and well repeated

(08:58):
lie that has been told many many times, in fact,
just decently. Debbie Allen had to refute it in an interview.
What I want to say. It was like breakfast club
or something. It was like a like a newer show
and she was on a show and she was They
were like, listen, let's get it straight right now. And
she just had to laugh. She's like, this has been
going on for years. They're not related. It's amazing how

(09:24):
they can travel just you know, a rumor. I'm sorry, everybody,
I'm really really congested. Um ALCOHOLA rumor can travel not countries,
especially now with social media. You know, I heard a
rumor um about myself that I had a baby with
D'Angelo and and somebody was talking about it like it

(09:48):
was fun, and I was like, I've never met where's
the baby? Generally I google babies before I say it
out loud. You gotta google these things pictures. And the
reality is Angie Stone and D'Angelo have a child together,
So they just mixed up the soul divas, I guess

(10:10):
and just but I get. I get at least, you know,
before COVID, uh, you know, I would get Angie Stone
at least three times a week, like, hey, aren't you
Angie Stone? I promise, I promised. I've been saying this
for years back is that black people are saying that.
I'm just yeah, it's black people's wh people, okay, because

(10:30):
it's black people. I mean black people, really, I mean
it's it's Angie Stone. Yeah, no, it's it's always black
people in the room. Sound turned off, listen. That lovely
woman is that lovely woman? And I'm me and I'm
amazed by these things. But that's crazy though, because like

(10:51):
I said, people people really do like to pull children
out the wool work, even though children have been in
the music business known to be hidden a few times, like,
let's not act like that don't happen, and we know
you ain't got no baby with you and have a
like thirty year old child somewhere. Because I was gonna

(11:15):
say it, because that's an old one, dude, that's a
classic classic jay Z five year old sons. I don't
know in Mexico, be in Mexico. Girl here in Mexico,
and we believe it, well, we will hold on it.
We believe that Tupac is still alive somewhere. Is that
a rumor? Is that? What is that? What do you

(11:36):
call that? I'm okay, I'm trying to get at what
is the Is the truth the truth? Or is it
whoever's saying it loudest. They put this way, if somebody
says it loud enough enough times, it may not become
the truth, but it will definitely hold way with the truth.

(12:01):
So to make people question the truth. So maybe people
may not necessarily say, oh, yeah, that's that, but they'll
be like, but you know, yeah, such and such and
such and these and these days, you know, people don't
have any trust and in politicians or celebrities, people people

(12:22):
who tend to have the most rumors. You know, the
ones that travel right are usually people who are a
public people and folks just don't have a lot of
trust in that they really believe. It's easy for folks
a lie to them. You could be telling them the truth.
It seems like there's no trust at all. You know,
you don't believe anybody for anything, even if they're doing good,
you know, like missionary work, you know, where they're giving

(12:45):
their all, you know, to humanity. There's still a reason
to to talk shit about. I mean, famous people got
a whole another category of rumor life. So it's like
famous people rumors and regular people or you know, with
someone so over risk, it's different because you can it's
harder to get to the truth of a famous person
rumor unless they want to address it, right, yeah, and

(13:08):
then so and then what's worth addressing? What's worth addressing
that part? So if you never gets addressed the rumor,
could say you was going it's funny. I went and
looked up like the most, uh the biggest rumors in
the whole world of all time, and it's it's like

(13:31):
rumors that I even forgot, Like, uh, do you'll remember
the rumor that little Mikey from the Life commercial was
killed by junk foods pop Rox and soldier, Like these
are things that just travel for life, and you just
know it's interested in that, and you say it with
your chest. Yes, yes, oh I know. I know that's

(13:53):
gonna kill you if you have and coca cola. That's
where they led to remember pepsi or whatever it was. Yeah,
you're gonna die. I don't do it. You're gonna die. Yeah. Yeah. Well,
I mean, honestly, this is necessarily a rumor, but I
do know that people sometimes just to kind of feel
some proximity to any situation, like a famous person or anything,

(14:19):
to feel some proximity, they will just like make some
ship up and really like and and and own it.
I got a text message from a friend a week ago.
She got d M. She had posted like a picture
of us or something. I don't know what it was,
and somebody d M her and said, here's a little
fun fact. They Kendrew The Family Soul performed at my

(14:40):
parents wedding listen in the early nineties at Lincoln University.
I said, I'm tapping my ear. I said, that would
be so lovely if that were true, Because in the
early nineties I was somewhere between the ages of twelve
and fifteen. I was like, and um, didn't know my

(15:02):
husband let alone in a group and singing at someone's wedding.
And I don't know if I feel worse about the
fact that the person decided to tell it, or that
her parents are clearly trashed because they done a lot
to it, damn. And I'm like, I feel bad. I'm like,
I don't want to question her a little story, but

(15:24):
she should probably start repeating that because that's some boom. Yeah,
it's it's ultimately not fair. I mean, I had rumors
started when I was really really young. This thing, you know,
fame has not slowed anything down, you know, it hasn't
changed anything. Every couple of years it was some kind

(15:45):
of horrible rumor about me someway somewhere by someone. Um
it started, well, shoot, let me see. I think it
started with the the hater in elementary school. Um, me
and her mom. Her mom was the lunch lady and
I really didn't have lunch sometimes, so she will hook

(16:07):
me up with the little ticket and I could get lunch,
you know, and her I think the girl hated that
that I was so cool with her mom. And sometimes
I would sit inside and talk to her mom for recess.
All of a sudden at the clear blue sky. Years
have gone by, and I go to save what's up
to my own girl? You know that the elder who's

(16:29):
providing lunch and giving great conversations. Anyway, she says, I
can't believe you. And I was like, what's what's going on? Like, hey,
you know it's me. What's happening? She said, my daughter
told me what you were doing. I said, let us like,
you know, I don't know what you're talking about. At

(16:51):
the time of thirteen, I don't know what you're talking about.
She said. Her daughter told her that I was going
under the steps and allowing boys to play with my
my stuff. And I was like, and you believe that?
Devastated and she devastated. This has grown up. You know.

(17:14):
It wasn't like she was trying to give me any
advice or say, okay, honey, you know you shouldn't. She
just believed it and stopped speaking to me. Oh I
was adult. Was that. I was so hurt? Like what
kind of lieing evolution did that girl go through? She

(17:34):
must be an amazing liar by now, like I have
no idea where she is. And what's crazy is you
know that she went home and what happened with her
mother was raving about you, and she was like, oh,
I just love my conversations a little Jill and she
comes and talk to me. She's such a sweet girl.
And that little girl got a little bit too tired
of that. The president of the I Hate Your Scott Club.

(17:57):
I was there was there a club. There was a club, Jill.
I know it's I'm telling you, there was a club.
I found the book in the desk. Um I was
in the sixth grade. Mr Hoffman used to make, you know,
random people clean out the desk and I go on
the desk and I see a book, open it up
and it has I Hate Joe Scott on it, and

(18:19):
you know, I'm Joe Scott. So going and look inside
of it. And they have a president who is the girl.
They have a treasurer, a secretary. They kept notes about
what I had on I'm I'm struggling. They have no
idea what's happened in my life. But I'm, you know,
I'm struggling. And they how how many times I wore

(18:43):
this outfit or that outfit? I just unbelievable. I just
put it back in the in the in the desk.
So at least I knew who my enemies were. I
need to know how this group was started. What was
the thing that jumped off the group to say, we
got to get the gether bands together, y'all and hate
her together. I well to be a hundred percent honest.
Kids are like little sheep, May God bless them, and

(19:04):
only took one person. If you're friends with the girl
who has the I Hate Jill Sky club, kids just
they go ahead along with it. You always got maybe
one kid that's gonna be like, that's mean. I don't
you know. But kids are afraid to lose their friend group.
They will participate in some horrible stuff because they're so
scared of being isolated, you know, and so especially around

(19:28):
that age thirteen fourteen years. But I think you know
what happens is that same mentality extends into adulthood where
people click off and they realize how they can isolate
a person's story and just kind of build a narrative.
And people just do stuff like that. And I don't
know what that is. I don't know the whatever the

(19:50):
psychological reasons or around, you know, how small group communications works.
But I do know that people have a tendency to
you want to be long, even under circumstances that are
hurtful for others, even under circumstances that they know are
absolutely wrong. It is just it's it's it's it's unfortunate,

(20:12):
but it happened. It makes me wonder what happens to
the mean girls in school? Like, who are y'all? Now?
I don't know my mean girls? And they got lower
back problems. I can't say nothing because I got cramps
right now, right back. I don't mean because of your customs.

(20:33):
We all get them lower back problems. But it just
makes you wonder what these different roles in school. It's
kind of like, I wonder, but whatever happened to you
with your with your tall tales and your nasty ways?
And I don't know what happened to it, But she
gotta ask what's been coming to it? That's what I'm saying.
She already got. I'm sure I was just about to say.

(20:53):
They always do ship the bear too much? Do they
can do? Because bullies pick on people they think they
can pick up. They're good at choosing the ones that's
gonna fall back and be the bigger person. They don't
gonna mess around with the one gonna pop them in
their body. But eventually it all. It seems like somebody
always turns like I was that kid in school, like, yeah,

(21:15):
I'm a class clown and you can pick on me
up to a certain point. But you poke me too hard,
I'm losing my ship. And next thing, you know, it's
books and stuff and that's the flying. So yeah, somebody
push you to the limit. That's what he did. He said, Yeah,
say something else. I'm gonna hitt you something else. All right,

(21:35):
to hit me, but let's say something. Yeah, that's what
I'm doing, one of my facing young young people. Kick back.
We'll be back after the break. I promise you I

(22:00):
am not on here to try to tell all my business.
But I will say this because I know, I know,
and there's so much, there's so much. I have lived
such a beautiful, full life. I promise you that the
life don't owe me anything. I'm grateful because this thing

(22:21):
has been awesome. Um, who was I going to say? Now?
I was gonna tell you, Oh, I grew up in
the household. Well, my mother's ex husband was a mean man,
and blessings, Oh thank you mom. She got us away
from him very early. But I remember, and I was little,
so I couldn't help her, or I couldn't help anyone

(22:44):
with it when it came to him. So as I
got older and I met up with mean kids that
would try me sometimes they were my family. I would
attack in a way that I felt, um that I
knew was really really scary and dangerous. There was normally blood,
um right, because that's what happens when you're little and

(23:08):
you can't defend the people that you love you, you know,
you you do too much. You go way over the overcompensate, exactly.
And I caught myself doing that a couple of times
where I had hurt a couple of people pretty badly,
and it scared me because I felt like I got this.
You know this, This little light is sweet. It feels

(23:30):
good to me. I sing my little songs to myself.
They make me happy. I don't I don't want to
hurt anybody. I don't, So I made a decision not
to to not hurt anybody, to do the best I
could whatever I could, not to hurt anybody, because it's
not it's it's ugly, ugly, you know, um. You know

(23:53):
I had stabbed somebody by the time I was six,
rage yeah yeah, and feel you need to defend yourself.
And I've worked on this part of myself my whole
life that I don't. I take my deep breaths and
take my walks, you know what I mean. I read

(24:14):
my books, I listen to my music. I talked to
my friends that love me, and I try my best
to keep things easy because I could see myself going
to jail and I don't want to go to jail.
I don't want to visit jail. I don't want to

(24:35):
go to jail. I don't want to go to jail.
I don't want to visit jail. I don't, I don't.
I don't even want to call jail. I ain't gonna
hold you up. I don't want nothing to do with it.
And if I can avoid that, then that's what I'm
gonna do. And it's it's crazy that people will try you.
They'll try you to a point where you're like, all right,
fuck it, I gotta lay hands on this bitch. Oh wait,

(24:59):
down back, she going down, pull back, because I have
created Thank you Lord, I have created such a beautiful
existence and a healthy, safe place for my kid and
my my nephew and my sister and my people and
my mom, And I'm like, is it worth it? That's

(25:21):
the question? Is it worth? On a larger scale, is
it worth quote unquote laying hands on somebody or uh
going back and forth with someone who is irrational, uh
and pitiful, sad, miserable, jealous, ugly spirit Well, I mean,

(26:03):
I'll say this as a man, I had too much delude,
but I will say this much that we do need
to normalize conversations about rage, because rage as a response
to grief, as a response to trauma, as a response
to all kinds of different things you're talking about. You know,
you just really mentioned several different traumas that you experience

(26:24):
as a child, and in two places that you spent
a lot of time with people who you're supposed to trust,
a home to school. So these are places where kids
will I will typically if one place isn't peaceful, they
will find some sort of solace in the other. And
so to me, I think a lot of times we

(26:44):
expect people to coward, to be scared, to be sad.
So there's an expectation of sadness and expectation of of meekness.
But there's no conversation around that kind of healthy not healthy,
But you know that that that normal rage as a response,

(27:05):
and particularly for for women and particularly for black women,
you know. And I just think that if we could
talk about those things and really kind of work through
them and recognize them as a normal thing, we won't
shame ourselves so hard because of me, you know what
I mean. And I'm not saying that that's what you're
doing here. I'm just saying that I'm sure that shame

(27:25):
was experienced after you had a very normal reaction to trauma,
which is the next somebody's time. Somebody come for me.
They're going all the way to funk down, excuse my language,
all the way down. So to me, I'm looking at
that like I wish for a little Jill, for six
year old, seven year old Jill, and for thirteen year
old Jill that somebody says to you, listen, you're rage,

(27:50):
you're anger. That that's that's okay, Like that's a that's
a reaction to what has been done, and it's an
acceptable one in terms of the fact that you're not
expected to always respond the way people decide you're supposed
to when something like people telling lies about you, hurting
you or not making you feel safe in your own
emotions and skin. So that's that's the thing. I would

(28:12):
hope you know what happened, because bottom lines is sometimes
people got to get knocked out. You know. Now what
you do afterwards and what you do with those feelings, Yeah,
that's a whole separate responsibility, But there are there there
are consequences to being reckless with people's emotions or or

(28:33):
ana lies and lining and lyne their consequences to that.
How did I find out that out? Okay? So, Um,
there was a bully, big bully. She was fourth grade,
sixth grade class um and she was she should have
been in the sixth grade with us in the fourth
grade were very big four boys, big girl. Anyway, Um,

(28:57):
we had an altercation that didn't go well for me. Uh,
I woke up, I woke up. Okay, I woke up
Um at home. I don't know how I got there.
I don't know who brought me there, but apparently she
had hit me with a brick. Right. So, Um, I'm

(29:22):
trying to tell you, Jill, go on the chat real quick.
Just give me a name in a location. Well, let
me tell, but let me tell you what occurred? Okay,
So my mother gets me out of that school. Move on,
here comes the I Hate Joe Scott club, that place,
you know. So I'm going from one school to this
new one with the with that lady, and I graduate

(29:45):
high school. Happens. I went to all girls school, Lord,
have mercy. Um So every other week I was dating
or talking to somebody's boyfriend that I didn't know. Every week,
you're looking at my boyfriend. I'm like, I don't know
who he like. You don't understand. I work, I have
to keep the lights on. I'm a I'm a child

(30:09):
who was paying bills. What are you talking about? I
don't have time. I don't anyway. Um uh. I graduated
from high school and I have on a silk light
blue halter suit with gold buttons, big gold buttons down

(30:31):
the side, like something princes would wear. I was working
at cash at Okay, so I got this su sale,
read it in the bag. I hit it in the
back and it went down to like seven dollars or
forty cents. Joy joy, Yeah, I hit it for a

(30:51):
long time. Um. Anyway, I have on this suit and
I'm walking down the street, and what do I see?
I see that girl. She has a baby in her,
she's pregnant. She's got one on one hand and one
on the other hand. And when I tell you that,

(31:13):
she looked it was like a soul exhaustion. She was.
She was worn out, way past a nap. And I looked,
you know, I cut my eyes. I'm looking. I'm looking
at them like that's her, that's her. And I got
past her and I turned around and I looked some
more to her whole stature, her, the way she walked,

(31:37):
the babies were tired like. And I got on the
bus and I cried all the way to work because
for years I had been wishing negative things on this girl.
For years, every time I thought about it, I was like,
I hope that what kind of ever, black, dark, ugly,

(31:58):
you know, horrendous thing could happen. This is as the
Brick girl. So I'm wishing all of these negative things
on her, and I just thought, life takes care of
those kinds of people, you know, Life takes care folks.

(32:18):
And then years after that, my mother's a Jehovah's witness,
and she was in the Kingdom Hall and she told
my mother who she was, which is a lot I'm
the I was the one that hit your daughter with
a brick right in the Kingdom hall of course, right.

(32:40):
She waited for your mama to be at church. That's
what That's what she did. And she shologized. I was
I was going through some things. I was having a
really hard time. You know, Jill seemed like, you know,
she was loved and you know, her cloth and her
hair was done, and and you know, I'm so sorry,

(33:00):
you know, for for doing that. And I just wanted
to say that, you know, my life is different now,
like you know, it just it's just damn. It makes
you think about now I'm thinking about all my bullies.
I'm I'm rethinking all their lives. It just really makes
you have a moment, like because there is something to
the fact that what the ASA said is a reason
that they act the way they do, too. It is

(33:21):
a reason. I'm not saying that that I should have
let those things slide, but I'm telling you that I
let something slide, and things that bother me to bother me,
but I let them slide so I can save my
own life. You understand me, because you can't carry that
through even though you do carry it anyway. To a

(33:42):
degree no matter what, because it's just a life experience,
you know what I'm saying, It's always going to have
a certain place in the psyche. But you know, in
terms of you know, letting it go and moving forward,
you gotta do that for your own good, you know
what I'm saying. And no matter the situation here, you're
looking like what you have to say things to yourself
like what is an ego? What is an aunt to

(34:04):
an eagle? You know, like, what what do you that?
That's a whole system aunt life? You know, that's that's
a whole system that got friends, that got houses, that
got work to do. That's that that's your whole existence
over there. That's that's over there. Eagles have their own
jammie going on. You know, that's an old word, but

(34:27):
I used it. Yeah, he goes have their own ship
going on. You know. So what is a slug to
a platypus? Like, ah, it's it's like I'm trying and
I do the best that I can to stay in
a state of greece grace lord. Yeah. I just find

(34:54):
it interesting how these roles evolved, seeing what way it
goes to bullies. Even when I was but to a
girlfriend today about you know, nerds versus bad boys, and
you go through school and you love a bad boy,
but then you realize that as a wrong woman, he's
usually not the one that ends up being the involved
man at the very least and successful at the very most. Right. Yeah,

(35:15):
I don't know, it's funny. I just think I was
always just like a very odd little person. You know
what I mean, you were a pamp, That's right. That
was high school. That was high school. I had to evolve.
I had to evolve into my pimp status, you know
what I'm saying, Like, you don't just come out the
womb up him, you know what I'm saying, work, I
wish you're gonna could see her neck and head movements

(35:36):
at this time and the hands. You have to evolve
into pimp status. But as a kid though, I was
actually like kind of a weirdo. But I never really
had issue with bullies per se. I probably was that
person who was constantly taken up for kids, who was
getting That's that's how I ended up getting hit in

(35:59):
the head with a break because I was defending somebody.
I needed you, I need, I need. Yeah, I didn't
really have too many bullies. But you know, there was
always somebody, you know, somebody had a little issue or
whatever the case may be. But it was like, um,
you know, I always would like attract the mean kids.

(36:20):
Mean kids would be nice to me, you know, and
then it's just it's the weirdest thing that would be
nice to me. There was a kid that that um
that I went to elementary school, which you said earlier
about this girl that was big four boys. I was
friends with that girl and Elma. Her name was. Her

(36:54):
name was Angela. I won't say her last name, but
her name was Angela. I know her last and remember it.
One of the kindest people I had ever met. Always
looked after me, and I always wondered why she was
so tough all the time, like because she never had
she never did that with me and girls. She didn't
have any friends who were girls. She only played with

(37:16):
the boys, and she basically was the type that was like, look,
you only had to look at her sideways before she
was going to knock you out, you know what I'm saying.
But she had a little sister, and she was so
tender with that sister, so protective of her, and she
treated me pretty much the same way she treated her sister.
And I found myself all the times people would say

(37:37):
terrible things about her, and I realized, you know, like
she was getting bullied heavily. Like I never realized that
because it always seemed like she was the tough one.
But kids talked about this child relentlessly, I mean horribly,
like she had no feeling, you know what I mean.

(37:58):
And and it's it's oddly enough, I remember myself kind
of end up taking up for the bully kid because
it was like I knew her in a different space,
you know what I mean. And it was just something
that I think kind of followed me in life, and
it ends up turning me into a person like And
we talked about this before, laughed about it, like I
feel like Switzerland and almost every social environment that I'm in,

(38:20):
because I tend to be the person end up in
the go between between folks. But I do think ultimately
there is a very ugly thing that happens underneath the
surface with individuals, and particularly amongst women unfortunately. And you
know how I love love women. I love Black women,
I love my relationships with them, but there's something that's
very ugly that goes underneath that, and I think it

(38:43):
just feeds into those feelings of lowlessness and those feelings
of low self esteem, and the things that that the
world kind of creates these these uh this, these standards
that don't have anything to do with us, and not
only do we feel crappy for not living up to them,
then we take our anger and rage for not feeling

(39:04):
like we're enough out on people who we think are vulnerable,
or or people that we think are enough, or that
people who we think or deem are enough, or whatever
that perception is, which that perception is almost always wrong
because once you once you pull up up the over
the blanket, that person is feeling the exact same feelings

(39:25):
that you're feeling. It is like the traumatized traumatizing. It
is just the hurt people hurt people think it is
just consistently happening. So I would say all of it
has to kind of get down to the core of things.
What is the real evil here? The real evil is
the messaging. The real evil is the fact that kids

(39:47):
go into school and literally have to contend with how
they look, what their clothes look like, if they seem wealthy,
if they're not loved. There's if they're not loved, there's
that scene, that that moment where they can't get it
and it's not normalized for others to give it to them.
They have to get feel shamed for it. It's just

(40:09):
like it's it just it goes to show you that
we're all kind of in this this experience called life,
really together and really experiencing a lot of the same
exact things. It's hard though it is. We're here, we're
three different women. It's just good. Lie, it'sn't clear in

(40:31):
the Asia. Great and Danzler, that's good every time. That
was Yeah, I think that might that might contend with Botswana.
I think that's good every time. Listen, there's three women

(40:54):
here that that have been loved you. I mean like
we're we're loved people and to be on this side
of the fence. Um we or I'm gonna speak for myself.
I just I want to encourage you to, uh, don't
necessarily assume the worst of people. Don't don't don't just

(41:17):
go for it. Um. There are the people who have agendas,
you know, they are hurt people who start ship just
because um, they need a moment or they need help
or they need medication. I I don't know why, um,
and that's not for me to to necessarily understand, but

(41:39):
I'm saying, lean towards the light, lean towards good, lean
towards kindness. Don't be so goddamn messy. Sound sometimes you don't.
You don't know the good till you see the bad.
So you know that then the good. But it sounds,
but it sounds admirable. Hold, don't be messy. Let's go
back to don't be mad messy, don't be messy, don't

(42:02):
be messy. Okay, I have something I tell my teenage kids. Listen,
you ain't got to consume everything, and if you slip
up and consume it, you ain't got to spread it
and allow others to consume it. Hello, don't be messy.
There you go. That's a word for the day. Or
if you are going to be messy, keep it light.

(42:24):
Just I'll just say, you know that sounds like it.
Don't don't talk about my mama, but you know, maybe
mouth is today he is a little light so we
can laugh. Like, Okay, let's what's up. Keep it keep

(42:44):
it light, don't be so hateful or try not to
stay away from those people to just drag you down.
They do, and their lives aren't great. So just know
that as well. Yeah that's the part. I just keep
on moving. What about what about you? Like? Yeah, was

(43:17):
there a rumor spreading about you that you were like what? Why? Yeah?
That's funny. I don't think I've been as lucky because people.
The way people talk about me is probably always a
little bit of truth in an extent, like like it's
got a big gass mouth. Those are the best rumors,

(43:37):
you know what I'm saying. Best rumors have a little
bit of truth. Don't tell like nothing like for the longest,
I used to have to tell people like, you know,
if you're gonna tell me something, just tell me to
keep it in a secret. But if you forget to
tell me it's a secret, oh shit, I'm tell you
like that literally as it was. I'm saying, I'm not

(43:58):
that person now, But no, you have to a lot
for for some evolutions. So I have evolved and now
I know. But yeah, about fifteen years ago, I was like,
let me know, say secret. Bit if you don't say
the word, it ain't it ain't. It ain't real. But rumors, No,
that's na na not like that. But but okay, look

(44:23):
this is what this is what I think. Um, we
we we try to fit. Nah, the boxes are whack all.
Boxes for human beings are just the worst. Nobody ever
fits into the box. It's impossible. And you might fit today,
but maybe not around seven fifteen tonight. It might be

(44:45):
a different space. You know. People are people grow and
move and change all the time, and I believe in
allowing that, and there's nothing I can do about it anyway.
Accepting it is what I'm saying. I totally accept that.
So you know, I might get that call later tonight
or somebody's like, girl, to you, did you here? I

(45:06):
still this is my only I still try so hard
to say I don't know her. I don't know. That's
like your answer every time. I don't know. I don't know,
and I don't know what to be what I don't
know them like that, so I can't say what's true
and what's not true. I do have I'm just like that.

(45:26):
I'm sorry, y'all. I do have to have a safe
place to talk my ship. I mean, I'm just saying,
like I said, I ain't got to consume every bit
of information. But if I do that means I ain't
got to spread it. But if it stay on my
group text, if the ship stay in the group text,

(45:48):
then okay. Or if I just got to get my
ship out and it's just like look, okay, and and
and I know that my my, my girls ain't gonna
judge me. They're gonna be like, all right, girl, you
had to get that out. Now, go fix yourself, have
a t go out in the world and be great.
You know. But I think people are gonna talk shit

(46:08):
about you, like whether it's warmer based or if it's
just their opinion about you. Like you know that part
of it is just part of just kind of muscling
through the world, you know what I mean, whatever you
do in your life, if you're good at it or
you know, mugs is gonna have something to say. Like
somebody actually sent a box of condoms to my house

(46:29):
one time because they're having so many kids because I
have because I have so many children. That's that's disrespectful,
because I'll marry and I'll do what I want. But
I feel like that was somebody who knew me because
it was addressed to my house. Funny was it, Like
it was a joke. You feel like it was a yeah,

(46:51):
we're supposed to be like y'all need some condoms, you know,
like yeah, people have said, you know, all kinds of
different stuff, like you know, just cutting things, mostly about
my kids, like most about oh you want to talk
about what me and my husband. But see, I think
I understand this dynamic now because like I think people

(47:12):
just not don't have no fear to say my ship
in my face. So that's why there's no rumors. But
y'all too, they are a little scared about the rumors circulate,
you know, they feel they can't come to that room.
I heard that that people were afraid of me, and
I was afraid of me for what did you just?
Did you hear your first single ever? Do you ever
hear your first single? Getting in a way? Yeah? You

(47:33):
ever heard that? I heard? Okay, so then that was
that's how you stepped on the scene. Point taken, point taking,
that's basiline, Okay, Like I don't think anybody is scared
of me. I think I don't think nobody is scared
of me personally. I mean, I don't think i've better tipidated,

(47:54):
but I will say this much, I think people want
to be able to speak freely and say whatever they
want without having the consequence of it of people knowing
that it came out their mouth and so that I think,
you know, there's that part about it. But I mean,
what I'm gonna do, Like, yeah, I have a lot
of kids, I mean ship okay, Like as as I

(48:17):
asked you to feed them? There what difference does it?
You know what I'm saying, mouse, pat monsters. You know
what I'm saying. Oh yeah, I got some good ones
on Twitter. Somebody told somebody on Twitter said that, um,
Kindred makes my ass itch. That was fun. That was

(48:38):
Then another time somebody has said, I don't know something
about my husband wearing V neck undershirts or something like that.
I don't know. I'm fine with it. His wife, I'm fine, okay.

(49:03):
But yeah, people people have said all kinds of like
you know whatever stuff. It's just like okay, you know,
you just what you're gonna do, Like are you gonna
I mean, I'm just glad that I'm not Beyonce. I
don't know. I think everyone can agree that that level
of that level, it's it's a lot that she didn't

(49:23):
carry her own baby and all of this other stuff.
I yo get Beyonce. I'm just looking. I'm like, I'm
glad I wasn't Richard Gear. But thirty years he's been
telling my fucker's was no gerbal and his booty. I
thought that was Jerry Pinnacoli. That actually what I think
that actually was Jerry Pennacol. Though you know what I'm saying,
see rumors, rumors right right right, but actually google Jerry coolie.

(49:52):
But Richard Gear was the one that was attached to
for the longest. But yeah, yeah, now know we're in
trumple because no, no, no, no no, no, you ain't in trouble.
I'm just doogling because you know, you don't see him anymore.
He's this is how easy it goes. It goes. So
I heard, I heard. What I heard was don't nobody

(50:12):
know nobody that part, that part, And now we're the
bullies that has that's that's were the bully. Damn it.
But you it's funny. You can tell somebody literally yesterday,

(50:35):
somebody cared to me, my my brother, neighbor. He's been
my neighborbody like my brother says to me, ain't never
been to California a day in his life. This motherfucker
says to me, like, they tore down the Forum and
they're gonna make a new Clipper Stadium. And I was like, well,
I listened in l A and I was just at
the Forum. I don't care. The man said they're gonna
tear that, but I actually seen it. Have you ever

(50:56):
been to Callie? Don't you know what? I'm a google it,
but I'm telling you, but gonna still google it in
the era of Google. It really is honestly like sad,
like at this point, at this point, we really we
should know better, Like here's a good one. I'm sorry,
this one is good. I first, in our first video,
the team pretends to be a sector driver. That's part

(51:18):
of the story of our first music video, right good.
So I need you all to know, not once, not twice,
not three times, multiple times, over multiple years with different people.
I have had people come up to me my husband

(51:39):
or through other people and say I used to work
with your husband has said I used to work with him,
and semna, oh my god. I thought they was gonna
be like, yeah, I love the way y'all came up
like you with your chest with all sincerity and we

(52:00):
used to work down at the job that that's when, honestly,
my first experience with a flat outline, it gave me perspective.
It really did, because oftentimes, like we talked about earlier,
I thought, okay, some rumors have like at least a
little slither of truth in there, right, But my first

(52:23):
experience with a flat outline about my husband and I,
I just had to laugh because I was like, Wow,
all these years, I didn't think it was possible for
somebody to just straight up just manufacture right. And I
was like, that gave me a lot of perspective. I
was like, oh, yeah, people just be out here in line.
Can you share something? And for me, that's that's the

(52:45):
part that works me, you know, wears me out, is
that I'll share something because I think this is going
to benefit of other people. And then it turned into
some other ship and I'm like, where did that? Damn it? Okay,
So I said, I told people. I went to see
it in the chronologists several times. They told me I'd
never have children, and I was like, well, you know,

(53:07):
I went home to my grandmother and I cried, and
my aunt Annie, she said, don't worry about that. You're
gonna have a fat baby boy, and I was like crazy,
you know, alright, crazy, un you know, everybody's got a
crazy yunt um. Years later, a lot of prayer um,
his father and I Jet's father and I went into

(53:28):
a tame sky in Mexico and we we sat in
this thing and we prayed. It's it's like a little
t p but it's hot. Okay, yeah, it's hot. I've
seen that in Poultic. Guys, I know what you're talking about. No,
I mean that I didn't see. I didn't I don't know, um,

(53:48):
but it's a you know, it's supposed to be for prayers.
So going we go inside there and we're praying for
this baby. And I know I certainly was um out
of the clear blue sky. I get pregnant. Now, I
thought I was dying because I slept too much and
felt funny in the world would just shake on me
all of a sudden. Um. But no, I found out

(54:13):
that I was pregnant. Yeah. So clearly this child is
eleven years old now and I absolutely am just thrilled
to be his mom. But I'm here in a rumor
that I had fertility drugs and then I had uh,
what's the in vitro check, which is so foul. That

(54:38):
is a lie from the pits of hell. From the
pits hell, I said it. That is a lo That
might have been a lie that women told themselves so
that they two could have some hope, because the chance
of them actually going to Mexico and sitting in the
TP and getting blessed is less than them actually going

(54:58):
to the doctor and getting in beat. So in my mind,
she got a VITR and it worked for her, and
it can work for me. But that's not my case.
I don't understand people putting stuff together the way they
want to to create some level of a narrative that
works for you. Don't understand. I get that, agent, don't
understand you. Ag all, she got to do far and

(55:19):
then here it comes. But I stopped trying altogether. I
gave up. What I wasn't gonna do is get the
hysor direct to me, because that's what they kept saying,
you should get a HYS director me, You should get
a HYS direct to me. Um that, Yeah, I didn't
do that, and surprise, surprise, you know I was pregnant. Wow,

(55:43):
but no baby, there was no drugs attached. There's no pills,
there's no shots, there's no ship. Well, ladies, I don't
appreciate the next person, but I hope we always got gaddy. No,
I'm just making I'm just saying, go somewhere for the
single ladies. And definitely let me just say this too.

(56:04):
Don't believe if you're going to like a clinic, don't
believe those people. I want. When I was nineteen, they
told me I should get a hystorict to me. I
went again. When I was like twenty eight or twenty nine,
they said get a hystorict to me, but um, because
I hadn't found my doctors yet. You know, I hadn't
found my doctor, and all the doctors were you know, Caucasian.

(56:29):
You might want to take a minute and find your
African American. That's a history think about. They told my
mom the same thing. They told my mom the same
thing and then cut her in her stomach and tried
to take her overies. And my grandmother was like no,
So yes, this is a history of what they do
to us. Absolutely and also to just also too from

(56:50):
the emotional kind of part of it and the propaganda
part of it. The black woman as like eternally fertile
and some bs two. And that's the white supremacist mess there,
you know what I'm saying. So, and that's why they
won't find out what's really getting rid of these fibroids. Yeah,
because I mean, Black women deal with infertility just like
anybody else, and so we're not just these kind of

(57:11):
natural breeders, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's that
mess right there. We gotta be done with that, you know.
And I know maybe coming from a person who has
a lot of children, that may not be the mouthpiece
for that particular issue, but I would say, bottom line,
we have to work on the mind first, you know
what I mean. We can't continue to let our life's

(57:32):
decisions be thrust forward because the lies that are told
about us ain't got time. Now, I appreciate that agent

(57:54):
that with a way to to some things up. I
want you to say it again. I doubt I don't
know if I don't, I don't remember what I had said,
not letting our lives be be ruled by I'm paraphrasing,
you know, not allowing our lives to be ruled by
things that people have said. You know. Oh yeah, moving, Yeah,

(58:14):
that's what you said. Yeah, something that is what I
said something on that way, all right, Yeah, we can't.
We can't do that because if you believe everything that
people say about you, then you become what they said
you were rather than what you actually are. And this
is the nature of people. People talk shit. They like to.
It's fun. We talk some ship too, it's it is fun.

(58:37):
It's words of mine is mine. I ain't got time
for rumors in my life. Hey, or hate on me,
hater a nour Later, I'm going to do me. You'll
be mad, baby, So go ahead and hate. Yeah. I

(58:58):
feel like I should have a lyric right now, but
I don't have anyone. Dred ain't got no hate song.
I got one punk punks jump up to get down,
ain't nothing. But I never knew what he said afterwards,
ain't uh huh. And speaking of rumors, there's a lot

(59:27):
of hearsaying misinformation surrounding the COVID nineteen vaccine. A lot
of us don't have a lot of trust when it
comes to medicine and government mixing shoot individually either for
good reason. However, we have to address some of these
misplaced and justified fears of this vaccine. So we are
having a conversation about the facts and fiction around vaccination

(59:49):
with a high ranking expert who just happens to be
a dope sister that I love and trust, so we
all can make more informed decisions. Okay, y'all, let's get
to it. Hello, y'all, Wait minute, I think somebody's cold.
That must mean it's time for what's on your heart? Well? Hello, hello,

(01:00:14):
how are you fantastic? Who is on the line? So
my name is Nicole Redune and I'm a physician in DC,
and I have a couple of jobs in DC. One
I've worked at the f d A and I'm Director
of the Office of Blood at f d A. And
another I work at the Children's National and Washington, DC,

(01:00:35):
and I see kids that have problems with um blood
disorders and cancer disorders. Do you mind if I add
something else to your resume, A couple of other things
that you're being very modest? Dr Dune, Yes, please go ahead.
I would also like to add the doctor Redunn is
a graduate of the Great Duke. Dr Redunn is also
a graduate of the University of Chicago. She has also

(01:00:56):
done a fellowship in Philadelphia at Children's Hospital and again,
like she said, she is. I like to call her
the director of Blood, Dr Blood and one more thing
to add to her resume, because you should know, because
I do this to Asia all the time. Dr Bedune
is also the mother of four who are all under
the age of that twelve twelve. Yeah, my youngest is three.

(01:01:24):
Clue the applause, the applause. I'm gonna tell you all
right now, I'm I'm putting out there until y'all start
paying mothers for a raising these kids. We're taking it
off our resume. That's right, got, it's it's coming off
the rest. It's a full time job in itself. Absolutely. Yeah.

(01:01:47):
I have two boys and two girls. They keep me busy,
very busy. We're done. We have so many questions. I mean,
this COVID thing is running rampant. We've got a new
version of this this thing. It's a virus and a
disease at the same time. Yes, yes, so you know
I have I have a lot on my mind because

(01:02:08):
I you know, I think that unfortunately, in healthcare in general,
things are disproportionately affecting African Americans and this is no exception.
And so you know, black folks with COVID are more
likely to die from COVID, are more likely to be
hospitalized from COVID. And you know, we have the other
things that we don't talk about enough, but we're more

(01:02:30):
likely to get turned away from an emergency room because
we don't get taken seriously when we have symptoms. And
so this is really disproportionately affecting our community, and I
want us to take as serious. And on the backdrop
of that, we have vaccines out right now, and vaccines
have been proven through clinical trials to be effective. That's

(01:02:53):
pretty good. Effectiveness for a vaccine is way, way, way
more than the normal vaccine, even like a flu vaccine
or other vaccines. And you know, through talking with a
lot of our friends, Lay and I have a mutual
group of friends who I grew up with my husband,
and you know, there's a lot of skepticism in the
African American community about vaccine and I have gotten to

(01:03:15):
some debates in some group texts and that has brought
one of the reasons that has brought her here today there,
you know, and I get it. I get it. I
get the skepticism with with medicine in general and the
way that we have historically been treated in the United States.
I get that, and so, but with that, I think
we have to have a balanced approach to keeping ourselves

(01:03:36):
healthy through this pandemic. Because you have to look at
the statistics. You're twenty one million people in the United
States that have COVID. We are four times is likely
to be hospitalized in three times is likely to die
just being African American, I want to say that, and
and and so because of that, you have to sort
of weigh things. I understand having overall skepticism with medicine,

(01:03:59):
but you have something that's effective at preventing you from
getting COVID and getting into the hospital. Now we have
to sort of take that seriously. And I want people
to make informed decisions. I don't want to stuff anything
down anyone's throat, but at least to have informed decisions.
And then the other piece of this that people have
to also remember we're in the middle of a pandemic.

(01:04:22):
So when you're doing a clinical trial to see if
something works, you can just go to an area that
is having a really high number of COVID cases. Right
And when you're looking at a vaccine, what your endpoint
is where you're trying to look at look at is
how many people that don't get the vaccine get COVID

(01:04:42):
and how many people that do get the vaccine get COVID.
So that's what they're doing. It's called a randomized controlled
trial where they go into an area that has a
lot of COVID in it and then they give half
of the people the vaccine and the other half of
the people through informed consent. They know they're doing this,
They don't get the vaccine, they don't know exactly when

(01:05:02):
they're getting it, when they're getting the injection, which thing
they have, and then they follow those people and they
see who gets COVID and who gets hospitalized and who doesn't.
And in those trials, I do want to say there
were African Americans that participated in those trials, and if
you break it down, I mean I don't recommend breaking
it creaking all these numbers down, but this is important.
The people that were in the trial that were African American,

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they actually had a hundred percent effectiveness. So the vaccine
worked in all the African Americans actually that got the
vaccine on those trials, So we were included in those trials.
There weren't There were about ten percent of African Americans
out of all of the people that were in the trial,
so not you know, we have a history of not
wanting to participate in trials, and I get that and

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I understand that, but that we were represented in those trials.
And so I think that when you're looking at those
two things and how this is disproportionately affecting our community
in so many ways, and the fact that you have
something that can prevent it, it really does to me
push the balance to getting the vaccine. You know, there

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are other other things and other questions people have about
the vaccine. You know, another is I don't want to
put anything foreign in my body. I don't know what
this is. I don't know what's gonna happen. And these vaccines,
the two vaccines that are out I can speak to
it's a new vaccine technology kind of and that it's
the first time there's a vaccine that's approved that are

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what are called messenger RNA vaccines. That's that that part
is new, but it's been tested for long, long, long
periods of time, like over ten years. People have been
looking at this type of vaccine, and so it's a
I would say that because it's a vaccine that doesn't
stay in your body, so it comes inside of this
caps that it goes inside of your body and it

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drops off what's kind of like a blueprint to have
your body start making antibodies to the to the covid
um to to COVID and then the actual the thing
that in cases the vaccine. It's gone within forty eight
hours and your body just has the antibodies that it needs.
So I want to say, I get to say everything

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I want to say. I want to bring up I
want to bring up Dr Susan Moore. And I don't
know if people saw her story, but Susan Moore, she
was in Indianapolis. She is a black physician in Indiana,
and she went on Facebook and she talked about her
experience after she got COVID, how she was denied treatment,
how she was they were they thought she didn't need

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the treatment that she needed. She got sent home prematurely,
she had to fight her way to get back into
the hospital. She end up going to another hospital and
she ended up dying from COVID. And you know, I
say that because that's that's one of the many examples
she she she took her story and she took it
on Facebook while she was going through it, and so
a lot of people could see it. But here she is,

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you know, an African American, the male physician, going through
this knowing, you know, knowing a lot about what she
needed and didn't need. She she was fighting to get
a cat scan of her lung, she was fighting to
get rim dissevere, she was fighting to get treatments. Now,
what end of this do you want to be on?
Do you want to be on the end where you
can prevent yourself from getting this in the first place,

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or do you want to be on the end where
you have to fight to get what you need? And
it's just real talk. That's sort of where we are
right now. And I wish it wasn't that way, but it,
you know, it is. And so you know, I I
think that the vaccine that people really need to really
take it seriously. And I think that at the at
the point that people are offered it, I think it's

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something that they should they should at least consider. I'll
say that dr. We're done. I have a question. Is
it okay? Please? Thank you? Um? Since uh, scientists are
are taking anybody's to create the vaccine, is that fair?
Is that true? Take antibodies to create vaccines. Is that

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how this works as well. What they're doing is they're
taking a piece that so that the virus has that
coronavirus itself has something on the outside of it called
a spike protein, and so they're just taking the messaging
of to make that a piece of the virus and
put that inside of this messenger rna UM and then

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give it to your body so that you make the antibodies.
So the vaccine itself doesn't make the antibodies, it gives
it puts something um and and they put something inside
of the vaccine that triggers your body to say, oh wait,
this is foreign, this is this is a virus. This
isn't something that I know. And then your body makes
antibodies to that spike protein. Now, the spike protein itself

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is not something I shouldn't call it a virus. It's
a piece of a virus. So it's not something that
itself when it goes into you can make you sick
or that can do anything. So it's like it's taking
a piece of it, and so your body recognizes that
it is foreign, and then it's making antibody so that
when it is exposed to a real virus, then it
knows how to respond by fighting it. And you explain,

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Ok ahead, Asia, I know you go ahead. UM No,
I just have a question about UM. You know how
you mentioned earlier that black folks are more likely to die,
more likely to get turned away in terms of UM
this disproportionately affecting us. Do you think that's solely an
issue of access and and and our access to health care?
Is that you know, I think on the other end

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of things, and maybe this might be a small portion
of our community. You know that there's a lot of
talk about what you put in your body. So black
folks that have more sea moss and sour south and
then everything on the all the vitamins, the niacins, the
tribes that cod what I'm saying, I think this is

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just what you know as you pour some hot onion
juice and your team it's per day, the one that
don't laughing that I do that that don't work. That's
if you do that, then you will build up immunity
within your boss. So I just want you to so
that's like a two part I want you to speak

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to are the things that really make us vulnerable and
are the things that we use culturally? Are are those
things that we are we relying too much on it?
Do they work? Sort of mixture? Do they work? Like
what's the vibe? Well, I mean that's a great question.
It's a combination of things. So so one, we're more

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likely to be that after more African Americans that are
quote frontline workers, so people that are exposed to the
virus more. UM. Also, we have a we have a
higher number of some of the co morbidities that make
your outcomes worse, like um diabetes or asthma, or obesity.

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Those things can also increase your risk UM. And then
in terms of of how so if you're if you're
living in a community where people are are closer in
proximity to each other on a regular basis, that also
increases your risk. And disproportionately, Black folks are treated differently

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in our healthcare UM system. So it's a combination of
all those things. And you know, some of the some
of the things that you point out, UM, I don't
know about all of those home remedies can really speak
to it. I can't really speak to it. Vitamin, but
I'm you know, I think it's a combination of things.

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It's a combination of things. But um, you know, and
that's why I just don't I don't want us to
even have to be in that, in that situation of
getting turned away from an emergency room or being not
taken seriously. I just don't. So. Um, but I think
it's a I think it's a whole lot of stuff,
a lot of factors. Well, I just want to ask
you this too. So, And it's funny because now that

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we know, okay, so the vaccine is here, we also
know the rollout is slower than they ever thought it
would be. So that we're done, in your opinion, where
do you see us at the end of I think so.
So I'm an optimist. I think at the end of
one we'll be back to some sense of normalcy. I do.

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I think I think wearing mask still though we're wearing
masks and we're married, we're probably wearing masks still. Yes,
But I do think by the end of one. But
that there's a lot of butts there. We have to
see or see a lot of caveats. We have to
see how many people take the vaccine. Um, we have
to see how you know, just how people are are
in terms of these I hate to say, of these

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new COVID strains that are coming out that one of
the things that you have to be careful of is
if we aren't, if we're going so slow with getting
the vaccine and we're continuing to have cases of COVID,
then that you know, the virus can mutate. The longer
that you keep it around, you can have mutations. And

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so we really have to we have to be on
our game. We have to get vaccinated. We have to
wipe this thing out, um and and just wipe it
out for good, and then I think we'll get back
to some sense of normalcy, but I think it'll be
before the end of and I do well. I'm in
no position to speak for the entire black world, but

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I really feel like most of us want to wait
and see you ain't. I mean, we want to wait
and see. Um. I'm a conspiracy theorist to a certain degree,
and I feel like maybe had had they tested aluminum
boil for forty years, we would know something different. So

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many people have dementia and they tell me there's nothing
to do with it, but we know, God that were done. Blackness.
I don't know. I mean when I think about something
that's been using awful long time, uh heated aluminum. You
know that kind of freaks me out a little bit.
But you know, we we all have these conspiracy theories.

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We don't know if we're going to get a placebo
or if we're gonna actually get a right vaccine or not.
Um it's it's like a leap of faith in an
act of trust. And I hear you, I hear you.
But see, this is the thing. I just don't think
that we have the time to wait and see. And

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that's what I worry about because as when we wait
and see, there's more and more people that are dying
every day, And so is it what is it worth?
You know? What is the cost? Is the cost? More lives?
Is the cost more more people from our family that
are dying or loved ones that we know. And I
just don't think we have the ability to to just wait.

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I don't think we can with this and what is
the weight deal? Because we cannot, we ain't getting it
until Like I'm just for us, I'm just saying, I'm
just saying I was waiting for the second shot I have.
I'll go ahead. Thank you so much for being with
us because we we everybody has questions about what this
is and we're all in some level of a major

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concern about it. Um Like when my mom would shot
for me back in the day. Um, she would go
to the to the good white neighborhood to get to
the good thrift store on the other side of town.
A couple of buses and maybe a train. Don't do

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we need to go somewhere else to get our vaccines?
Be honest, dr were done. I'm just saying white neighborhood
to go somewhere else. I'm there to get it. Please.
Look whatever makes people feel more comfortable about getting it,
I'm on board with it. But I don't think that

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there are any differences and getting your vaccine and black community,
white community is going to be the same vaccine as
a post Trump answer, Right, it's a pinocal cibos. Everybody's
getting the same thing, the same vaccine. So I I
hear you, I hear you. I mean, we got to
talk about the Tuskegee experiment because that's where a lot

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of people are coming from with this, and you know,
for for that went on for forty plus years where
they didn't tell people what that they I mean, some
people didn't know that they even had syphilis. They denied
them treatment. Penicillin came out, it was known that it
was a cure. They held held withheld that from people. Um,

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babies got syphilis from that, wives got syphilis from that.
So I hear, I hear where the skepticism is coming from.
I'm just trying to just merely put the facts out
there and turn of this vaccine and um, this is
not something where they are giving one vaccine to some
people and another to another. One of our friends like, yeah,

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I have to mention it. Even said, well, I don't
want to see Obama on the news getting the valorccine.
That was me. You ain't gotta gotta go ahead and
finish the quote. Well, I want to see Obama on
the news getting the vaccine because I feel like they
might be giving him a different thing than they would
be giving me in my community. I need to see

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him at Planned Parenthood in the hood, at the clinic
in the hood, right in the clinic, getting it beside
the folks that's from the hood. That's what I say. Yes, yes,
I mean there is there. I just don't think that
that's happening. I really don't. But I I hear you.
I hear have you seen these Atlanta videos that's going
to happen to happen to get these and they're gonna
suck you. I know you can't. I know you can't
say that, dtr redne, but I will say it. Look,

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there's another term. There's something called herd immunit. Herd immunity
is just when you just give a bunch of people,
the people the virus, and some people will will be okay,
and they'll get through it and they'll get immune from it,
and some people will die. We don't want to be
herd immunity in our in our community where we just
everybody gets the virus. We see who dies people. We

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have whole families that are are being taken out, you know,
ten people dying at a time, you know. And I
just I think that we have to balance all of
that with what the price is for waiting, What the
price is for waiting, And I just don't think you
want to pay we I don't think we want to
pay that price. I mean, I feel like I have
a healthy I have a healthy amount of skepticism, but

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I think I'm of the minority of my black friends
where I'm like, listen, y'all, body chopped full of vaccines
right now. You hear me right, Like, you can't you
can't even be a gen xer and and and and
and be anti vex. You have the benefit of having
a haven't being chock full of them as is. I'm

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jealously they do that, Yeah, and then they do that
with my kids, you know what I'm saying. But you
know what I do. That doesn't mean I don't have
a healthy skepticism because obviously there you know, it's a
racial history here, and you know, and and it's not
fair for for the media in particular to continue to
kind of push this narrative like black people don't trust doctors,

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well why they don't. Never they never want to discuss
the why. It's just we're just like we're just scared
of the boogeyman. Like black people, I mean, black people
have very real reasons that are even current right in
this moment, in this day now, mothers, grandmothers, others, grandmother's sisters, brothers,
and just not just to Skegee, because even we do

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have a group of group of people who still don't
even know that even happened. So I do think that, um,
I'm leaning heavily towards taking the vaccine. And and I'm
gonna say this because I want to put it out there,
because I know people are gonna be mad at me.
I might have family members that's looking at me, gonna
look at me sideway, But I really think it's important
to kind of, um continue to say, hey, look, we've

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we've been doing this. This isn't a new thing. And
the whole world, the whole world was fighting to find
a vaccine for this, this virus. The whole world has
been dealing with it. This isn't something that was just
happening in the in America that was just happening in
one state. The entire globe was dealing with COVID. And

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so if you it's probably the closest thing to a
to a global coalition that we've seen since freaking communism.
It's like, it's just it really, that's that's kind of
my thing. It's still only using the two the two
different vaccines. That still and with all that being said,
as much as i'm you know, and I'm promise you
I'm not playing devil's advocate, but I'm just saying like,

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even with all that being said, I still don't trust
Whitey just like everybody else. I'm just seeing it's what
it is. And unfortunately though, we have so many people
like yourself in the medical community and what we see
this is this is what we see in our minds.
But but your information has been like really amazing for me,
because I want to say one more thing too, that

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that's really important. So the National Medical Association, which is
association of all Black doctors, when the vaccines came out,
they came up with an independent review board to independently
look at all the data, look at all the trials,
look at everything on these two vaccines, and they have
independently recommended that that we take this vaccine. And so

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I think that says a whole lot too. So I
was I was actually really happy that they did that
um and and took the time to do that. That's
knowledge that we all need. Yeah. Yeah, Now, I was
just gonna say one last thing just to add to
your another point to your objectivity. We haven't mentioned that
Dr Redund's husband, he's Dr Redund as well, and while

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they are both doctors, they are very opposite and talked
about this in the group text that between talking to
other doctors and experts and things of that nature, and
seeing that man who had COVID months ago, who was
a healthy individual fallout on that basketball court, he ran
and got that vaccine before his wife did. Right. Both well,

(01:23:18):
he well, he was able to get I was, I mean,
I was gonna get it. I just had to wait
my turn, but he did. So he's my My husband
got the vaccine where in is right. He was skeptical
at first. We've had plenty of conversations about it, but
he's on board now. Um, and I got the vaccine
as well. But I yes, so I I get. I
get having skepticism. And that's why I want everybody to

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be able to make an informed decision. That's all. I'm
just trying to give additional information, put it out there
in the atmosphere so that people can make balance and
informed decisions. Ladies and dr we really and truly thank you.
This has been on everybody's mind and here the deal is,

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knowledge is power, and thank you so much for coming
on and talking to us today. You are going to
share information with so many people that are trying to
make the same decision. Parents and elders and and everybody,
because this is a very real thing and you all
maybe you don't know it, baby, but it el it

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is a real thing and you have to consider. So again,
knowledge is power. Thank you so much for your time.
Pay Shaw, thank you for having me. It's been fun.
Thank you, Thank you. How do you eat an elephant?

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