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February 20, 2024 55 mins

Meet Yvette Nicole Brown,  an American actress and Craig’s long time friend. She starred as Shirley Bennett on the NBC sitcom Community, as Dani in the 2015 reboot of The Odd Couple on CBS and as Dina Rose on the ABC sitcom The Mayor. In this episode Yvette and Craig talk about religion, life, politics and why Craig thinks Yvette is the right person to run for the office! EnJOY! 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascals Stand Up Tour continues throughout
twenty twenty four. For a full list of dates and tickets,
go to the Craig Ferguson show dot com slash tour.
See you out there, the Greig Ferguson show dot com
slash Tour. My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of
this podcast is Joy. I talk to interest in people

(00:24):
about what brings them happiness. Vetnico Brown is pure class.
She's been my friend for a long time. She's a
very good actress. She's a very serious person, and she's
also a very funny person. It's a very interesting combination,
is she is?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I miss our time?

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Well, you know what, We're going to take care of
that right now. Somebody's gonna bring coffee though, So you're
gonna bring coffee?

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh yes, please, I'll take one too, now that you
talk about it. Yes, I got a lot to do today, right.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
But we can start. But we can start before the
coffee gets sure, that's fine. Do you know what? Why
are you wearing a mask? Because Vet was wearing a mask,
worn a mask in two days?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Now? Are you wearing a nice.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
You want me to wear a mask?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
How, No, you can't do all we're on the radio.
See how kind it was of him to just want
to do that for me.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
They're nice guys. I'm just I just didn't know if
there was a reason that he thought it's.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
A nice podcast situation in here too? You know, is
this your studio?

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I own this whole buildings laughing because I just told
you it's believable.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Yeah, but he would be shipped poker, and I.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Wish it was. Yeah, he giggled. He giggled. Why too fast?

Speaker 3 (01:42):
He giggled.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
He was like, because I do you think that I
could own a whole building in Hollywood?

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Absolutely? Do you know what?

Speaker 3 (01:47):
I would call it the vent? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:51):
And you know why because I would want it to
be like the auditorium in your old high school, which
I have to say, congratulations. I can't believe you had
the auditorium in your own high school named after because
Cenio hallway to your high school.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
And he did. And I think if it's a Cenial Hall,
you know what you have just made me feel like
I need to rescind the offer. I'm going next week
to get the honor and graduation thank you. No, it's
really it's honestly, I joke about it, but it is
like an oscar to me because I love my hometown
and Warnswell Heights High School by the way, and our
Sidney and I both graduated from there. He's got a

(02:26):
few years on me, a couple of years on me,
and he was in the Hall of Fame of my
high school when I was a kid, and so I
would walk by and see our city hall and dream
of one day making it to where he was. And
now I'm friends with him, and now the auditorium is
going to be named for He's one of the best
human beings I know.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I did some gigs with him and Jaylan during the summer.
We did some casino gigs together, and he's just great.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
He's just decent, you know how when you meet people.
That's the word that I would use for him. He
actually he doesn't get credit for this. He also has
a hand in me finally meeting Jana Jackson. So I've
been trying to meet Jana Jackson for so long, and
finally I was like, who do I know that Gudner
And I'm like, Enione knows everybody. So I reached out
to him, and he said, I'm going to reach out
to Johnny. It became like a what do you call it?

(03:08):
A game of telephone? Evet Our Senior called Johnny, Johnny
called Janet and it all kind of came together where
they helped me.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
So now you and jen and Jackson hang out.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
I believe we're friends. Now you have to ask Janet
if it's true.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
I would ask her, but I can't get to get
in touch with our stdeo and he's going to Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
It works, it's a it's a good way.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
But listen, the school you went to. You you're from Cleveland, right,
That's why I think of you as from Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (03:29):
I am from born in East Cleveland, graduated from Warrenswell Heights,
which is like a suburb of East Cleveland or suburb.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Of clic Is it near Akron?

Speaker 2 (03:35):
Akron is about thirty or forty minutes away, which is
where I went to college.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
Because I knew there was a connection with you with Akron,
because you know that Alcoholics Anonymous started in that.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I did not know that. Yeah, I know Akron for
my college. Yeah Zippers, which they are known for rubber.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, rubber tho all the tire factories used to be right,
that's right, and Lebron James and Lebron James.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
He's not in your high.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
School, you know, he's I wish I was his a
I've got him by good twelve years, I think.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Now let me ask you this. In the Hall of
Fame at your high school, yes, you obviously, or senior
hall who's not got the hall named after him, which
I still think is a serious man problem.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
But who else is in the Hall of fame? Is
there anything else? I would know?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Brad Cellars okay, I'm not familiar with basketball.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
Player, okay.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
And also I think he's currently our mayor. I think
Brad is currently still our mayor of Warrensville. And then
a lot of like city dignitaries and pastors and you know,
people like that, people that have made their name for themselves.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
It was like a very kind of good school.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
It is a good school.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Was it a good experience growing up?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
It was? You know, I'm a nerd though, like I
love I love school, So my school experience I was
like front row center nerd, that kind of thing. I
did all the extra curriculars. I was drama and the
band and quiet you know, so that school was great
for me. East Cleveland is a great place to be
from because it's the hood. Yeah, and it teaches you,
you know, how to survive in life. I think that

(04:56):
I'm able to make it in la and in this
industry because I was born bred and East Cleveland it's swamish.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
What does that look like in terms of the hood?
It is like was there a drug crime?

Speaker 3 (05:08):
Was there? Is that what it was?

Speaker 4 (05:09):
At?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Your drugs? Violence? You know a little bit of lawlessness.
You know, listen, people people have free time and not
enough opportunities. And when you when you when that's the situation,
sometimes you you don't make the best decisions. And also,
you know, we can talk about systemic racism and all
the other things that cause something to be considered a
hood and why people can't get out or why they

(05:31):
can't make make it better for themselves. I never blame
the people because it's their circumstances that put us in
the communities brand.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
Every person is a different stories. Absolutely. I think that
one of the things.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
That I have a kind of I got annoyed about
and as I get older, there's a lot of them.
Most of them are people on my loan but on
my hip. But one of the things I get annoyed
about is when is when you take a group of people,
no matter who they are, and you just say this
is what these people are, Like, I see.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
That's not it. That's not gonna help.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
It's not it.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
And I mean I come from a lively area in
Scotland and Scotland and it wasn't race because you know,
everyone was. There were people of other races, but it
was like ninety eight percent. Wow, something like that, you know,
and so violence if you were from a different race.
I can't speak to that experience because I didn't grow

(06:24):
up with that. But but mostly what I encountered was
sectarian violence based on religion.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
So it was Catholics and Protestants absolutely absolutely, and it
was it. It feels to me that sometimes humans, when
they've got nothing else to do, they pick a side.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
It's always a free time issue, right yeah, Because I
think about the you know, the term Karens, like all
the all the white women that are apparently deputized to
stop black people from living. They don't have any real problems,
they don't have any real problems, they don't have any
real issues. And that's why they're looking out their window,
going why is that person standing on the street. If
you are trying to pay your bills and raise your

(07:03):
kids and not die by police violence as a black person,
you don't have time to look out and see what
somebody on the street is doing. You're just literally trying
to survive.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
You are as a person clearly right now, and I
know this about you anyway. You are concerned with civic Absolutely.
Do you think there is a world in which you
run for office?

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh, Craig, you know it's funny. Before twenty sixteen, I
would have said absolutely not, because I thought you had
to be smarter, better, all of those things. I mean Now,
after Donald Trump alone, after Donald Trump and all the
nonsense going on in Congress right now, and McCarthy and
Matt Gates, I'm seeing so many people that are making

(07:47):
decisions for all of us that are not decent human beings.
And the idea that people that only care about people
that look like them, or love like them or think
like them are deciding what happens to the rest of
us that are not like them scares me. So now
I'm saying, I don't know, like there might be.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
Should I think you should. Now here's here's why I
think you should. Here's why because I sense your reluctance. Yes,
and that to me is a qualifying mark for a politician.
If you're reluctant to run for office, right yeah, and
you probably and also you care, I do you know?

(08:24):
And if you care, but you're reluctant to get in
the fight. But you can't see anyway again, Now, the
fact that's the hero's journey right there, that's like you know,
that's that's Joseph Campbell right there.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
That's why you've been the call to.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Action to action.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, I'm and I'm here right now to say I'm
one of the gatekeepers. I'm one of the I'm one
of the you know, the information givers.

Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yes, and I'm saying I think it might be time.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It might be I you know, I'm at a crossroads
in my life. I just just I'm in my fifties now.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
And first of all, I don't believe that I am
fifty two years old, just fifty moisturized.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
I believe in hydration, I guess, thank you any but yeah,
so I'm at the age where you're starting to go, okay, well,
I'll probably have more runway behind me than in front
of me, and so you start to look at what's
the right So what do I want to do? Like,
what is what's my legacy? Because I I'm not married yet,
I have a sweetie and I'm hoping it's going that way,
but I didn't have kids, so I don't have the

(09:20):
the family legacy to say these are the this is
the flag I'm putting down because these humans I helped
put in the world. So now it becomes what how
do I leave a legacy in another way? I believe
I hope one of the ways is kindness. I hope
that my calling card is kindness and when people are
around me or leave my presence there better. I do
believe that that that is one of the things I

(09:40):
hope that I'll be known for when I leave here.
But aside from that, you know, what did I do
that changed the trajectory of this world in a good way?
Because a lot of people want want to make a
what's that saying? It says somebody people want to make
a name for themselves, make a mark so bad they
don't care if it's a stain that is. I don't
know who said that quote, but that has always stuck

(10:01):
with me. And I think in this industry in particular,
people are so determined to be somebody, they don't care
what they're.

Speaker 3 (10:09):
Somebody, but then somebody is.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
They don't care if they're hurting people, they don't care
if they're lying to people. And we noticed that in
what happened, you know, recently with the Congress. You know,
McCarthy wanted to get in because he wanted to be speaker.
He didn't want to be speaker because he wanted to
do good. He didn't want to be speaker so that
he could change people's lives to the better. He wanted
to be speaker because of the clout and the power
that would come from him being second in the line

(10:31):
of succession.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
Do you think that he wanted those things when he
started as a young and.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
You know, I would like to hold but.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
He has fallen so far from what I think decency
is that I have to believe that he didn't, that
he was never on the path to be a decent person,
because in my mind, even if you start, if you
started out decent and he had fallen on the wayside,
as soon as you get that gavel and you realize
the weight of it. If the President and vice president
pass away, I'm in charge of this entire country, and

(11:04):
I can show how I will govern based on how
I handle these four hundred people that I'm the leader
of here. And if you have that responsibility in your
hand and you squander it and you lie and you
stab people in the back, and you make promises that
you don't keep, that tells me you could not have
started it from a decent space.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Look, just to play Devil's advocate, because we're not talking
about an individual, Yes, I have a lot of time
for but let me be the other site to do
it and say that, isn't everyone in that world a liar?
Isn't everyone in that world super ambitious?

Speaker 3 (11:40):
Everyone?

Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean, it seems to me a lot of people
have made promises that they didn't keep on both sides.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
Of the hut.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I got to say this though, And to be fair,
politics is difficult and there are a lot of things
that you run on that you want to do right.
Like people are upset with Joe Biden because he had
all these things he wanted to do that he couldn't
get through. They're forgetting that how civics were the Congress
has the power of the purse, which means they get
to decide what becomes a bill, and then the Senate
House decides becomes a bill. The Senate decides whether it

(12:08):
goes to the president, and then the president gets just
the bill. Yes, the school house walk, everybody listened to it.
If you need to know how civics worked. So President
Biden can say I want to do this, this, and this,
but if he does not have the votes, because in
this situation there were two Democrats that kept voting with
the Republicans, which means he did not have the first
part of his administration, he didn't have the numbers. So

(12:29):
you have to understand that, yes he promised it, and
yes he didn't deliver it, but you got to ask yourself,
did he lie or was he thwarted?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Well, here's what.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I would say to you, and then I'm going to
move you gently away from from politics.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
You got us here.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
No, no, I know, and I genuinely want to hear
about it. But if you promise something that you know
that you cant one hundred percent deliver, should you fast
to that while you make the promise?

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Absolutely, But I don't know that the ones that aren't delivering.
I don't believe I guess I don't believe that the
statement that all of them are duplicitous. I don't believe
that they're going in going What can I say?

Speaker 3 (13:05):
You're right? I think you're right. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Things happen, and I think sometimes you have to make
good with one person to try to get further down
the road on something else that matters. So I think
there's a lot of that going on to it. I
don't think it's black and white, but I think there's
a difference between choosing to be a horrible person, choosing
power over people, and then having to make decisions to
make greater change later.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I like the idea of you can be a good
person or a horrible person, but I think it seems
to me as I observe, you know, inaccurately. I'm sure
a lot of the time the human race that very
few people will admit to be in the villain of
their own story. So if someone is a horrible person,

(13:47):
like you'll always find someone that.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Will back you up. Like Hitler had a girlfriend, he did,
you know.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
I mean, it's like it's not not that's you know,
there's always someone that will say now you're right, or
do you lose sight of things like if if somebody,
if you find yourself in an ethical dilemma.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
Let let's say it's it's twenty thirty.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Four, Benicle Brown and Speaker of the House, the president
and the Vice president sadly get a terrible dose of
the Trots off and now you're president of the United States.
He died from the trucks truts. Yeah it's the Trotsky Trust.
Yeah they got they got very very bad pooperia. They
go pooperia.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
And I think I think there may be an old
law that you're not allowed to talk about the president, you.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
Know, dying.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
Is it really Are we in trouble right now?

Speaker 3 (14:38):
Well?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
No, because it's a hypothetical president in the future. We
said pooperia of the Trots. We did, so it's not
like we're that's right, right. But anyway, anyway, I don't think.

Speaker 3 (14:48):
We're in trouble. But what I'm saying, I'm not you
said someone saying you right.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
So now you're the president of the United States. Now
you can do some things and you can't do other things.
And the country is a similar state. That's what do
you choose? What is your first option. What do you
think this is the first thing we've got to get
done right now.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
First thing we would have to get done is vot
voting rights.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Probably the second thing, no matter how I got in office,
I would get rid of the electoral college. I think
one vote. Everybody should get one vote, and your vote
should the person who gets the most votes should be president, period.
And then that takes away all the shenanigans you Then
you have to campaign in every state. You can't just
pick the three or four of that. And I think
everyone should get to meet you and kick the tires
and find out what you're really about.

Speaker 3 (15:37):
So those are two things.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
I don't think that there's any really I mean, I
think that's a rational thing, right, But let's let's look
at democracy a little bit, because it's brutal.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
Democracy is a very brutal system.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
It is, you know, if it is the majority want
a thing, and if that thing is hateful and the
majority want it, then democracy wants a hateful thing. Is
not inherently there's no inherent goodness to it. I mean,
it's better than anything else we have light a run,
but it's not feel proof.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, Listen, There's been a few times in my life
as a voter that the person I wanted to win
did not win. It sucks, but I accepted it. So
it's not so much that you have to get everything
you want every time. You just want a shot at
getting what you want. That's what democracy is. I'm going
to go out and I'm going to vote, and I
hope that enough people think like me and this person

(16:30):
or this this thing can get in right and then
if it doesn't, most people, barring the orange thing, accept
it and they say I lost and it sucks, but
I'm going to now get behind the person that one
or the issue that one, and I'm going to support it.
So I think we're broken right now because now we
say yeah, we say that, yeah, and it's angry, but yeah.

(16:54):
But the thing is, if we get back to I
am my brother and sister's keeper, I think we lost that.
If we get back to thinking like that. I say
this all the time when I talk about politics, and
then we can't move on after this. I don't have
any kids, right, but if there's a school board issue
on the on the ballot, I vote for it because
I want other people's kids to have what they need.
There are future You're not a month.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
Absolutely no.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
But there's some people that are like, if I don't
have kids, why am I voting for a better schools?
I don't have kids. You see what I'm saying. There
are a lot of people that vote that way. So
it's like, you have to think of the greater good
of other people.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
I remember having a discussion with a family member by that.
I said I shouldn't have to pay for their you know,
I can't remember what it was.

Speaker 3 (17:34):
And I was like, no, no, no, you do have any different.
That's that's the deal.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
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are you religious person?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
I am person faith.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
You're a Christian Christian. So if you're a Christian and
many people, a lot of people profess to.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Be Christians and are not following christ I talk.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
I think that that, Well, that's that's your thing, you know,
that's the whole thing I'm interested by the way Christianity.
I've I've been looking at it a lot because I'm
not my person of faith. No, I'm a person of doubt,
which is almost a passion.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
That's kind of the same thing it really is, because
faith is about seeing believing things that you can't see.
And also God doesn't have a problem with you doubting.
Like there's moments in the in the Bible where it's
like people are saying, Lord, please show me, Please make
it plain to me. So the fact he knows this
is difficult things to grasp. Man, something in the sky
made everything, and you know it's it's hard to grasp.

(18:45):
I just look at my life and know how miraculous
everything that has happened for me has been. And I
am not a person of ego, So the person of
ego will go, look what I did. I absolutely know
that there's no way I could have crafted this or
my life. The fact that I am talking to Craig
Ferguson in la in his very, very exactly I could

(19:09):
not have fashioned this. There's nothing within me that could
have brought me to this place. So I know that
I'm walking in my call, and I know that it's
a call that was placed on me. Now that's my faith. Now,
everybody got to work it out their own way, but
I know that to be true for me.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
I think that's fine.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
I know I've glad to find myself at the point
in my life where I don't have to challenge anyone
believe same right.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
But what I am in, I am interested though in
what you believe? Does it for?

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Are you a person of a recognized church? Is there?
Are you a Catholic? Are you a Baptist?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
But are Baptist? But I'll say this, when I was younger,
like in my twenties and thirties, I was there every
time the church open every day with what we're doing today,
and I've gotten to a point now where it's more
of a spiritual journey than a religious journey for me.
So it's not so much.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
About I find the difference.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Spirituality is having in your own relationship with God or
with Jesus for me, in God and Jesus for me,
and religion is more about go to church on Sunday.
You have to do this, you have to worry.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
It's more.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
It's tradition, it's more, and a lot of the stuff
that churches do is not in the Bible, you know,
Jesus said we're two or three are gathered. I'm there also,
we are the church. The fact that we're having a
conversation about him right now, Church is happening right here.
So this idea that we have to be in a
specific building to I don't know that I believe in
that anymore. Now. I'm not against going to church. I'm

(20:31):
not against having the gathering of saints and getting a
good word. But I also realized the more I went
to church out here, the word started to change because
they were trying to curry the favor of man instead
of respecting and honoring God. So it became more about
what can I say to get butts in these seats?
So I can give money and you have to say
certain things to get butts in the seats, And then

(20:53):
it's less about how can I be able love money?
For the love of money, people forget that. They think
it's money.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
It's not money. It's fine just if you love it absolutely.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
It's the love. And also speaking of that, a lot
of Christians who say there are Christians don't love. If
you look at a lot of the evangelicals that are
following Donald Trump, and Maga and all that they hate everybody.
They hate everybody and everything.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Westboro Baptists speaker, How.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Can you say you're following Christ and you hate people.

Speaker 3 (21:22):
It's a tricky one.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
I don't know how you kind of work it out,
but my guess is that it's probably to do with
the lack of understanding of what's the teachings of Christ?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Was ye are?

Speaker 3 (21:34):
I should say?

Speaker 1 (21:36):
I became fascinated with Christianity in the journal Lockdown, I think,
m M.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
And I started reading you ever read any C. S Lewis?

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I started reading C. S. Lewis and C.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
S Lewis, why what is it what Christians believe? And
then I read Bertrand Russell's counteraction to that, which is
why I'm not a Christian? And I was like, it's
not a great argument, Bertrand, I mean, you're a very
clever man, principal Mathema, very clever, but I'm not sure
that I'm And then from C. S. Lewis, I went
in a GK. Chursterton Have you been there?

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
That GK. Chstone is kind of like the velvet underground
for C. S.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Lewis.

Speaker 1 (22:19):
So, I mean, they're fascinating Christian apologists, and so I thought,
I just I just started reading about it, and it
led me into pre Roman church Christianity, which have now
become fascinated, which is obviously up until the three hundred
years before Rome adopted Christianity. And what I think about

(22:41):
it now is that Rome adopting Christianity is kind of
like Starbucks opening a store at burning Man, Like it
changed the face everything. Because the Romans thought that the
Christians were atheists. Really, yeah, they've already got one god.
That's crazy, right, you know, you gotta have one god.

(23:03):
What about you know, the God for your hand, right
and the God for cheese? And I mean because they
had so many different gods. So and they had a
they thought. This is the thing about propaganda. They thought
the Christians were cannibals because they misunderstood the Eucharist. And
it's like, so when they're saying this is my body,

(23:23):
this is eating people quick right now up to they're
very bad. And I think that mess. Clearly Christians are
not cannibals or most of them that, but mess information
makes behave people behave very badly. Absolutely, And we live
in an interesting time, my dear friend, Yes we do.

(23:45):
In the sense that there is information everywhere, and most
of it is horses is.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
Let me tell you something. I found my way down
a YouTube rabbit hole. Oh gosh. And you know, I
finally get the algorithm because when I first got on YouTube,
I was picking what I wanted to see. And then
one day I woke up and realized that I hadn't
picked in hours. That YouTube was just and it wasn't
even like the same person, Like the third video from

(24:12):
the same person. They were like, oh, you like her, Okay,
let me show you him. Oh you like him, okay,
let me show you this. And then by the time
I woke up at midnight, I was on something that
I never would have chosen. It was like bits and
pieces of what I started with. And had I probably
watched the transgression of where they were taking me a
progression of where they were taking me, I probably would

(24:35):
have been brainwashed into believing that whatever that person at
two am was saying was the God's honest truth, because
I'd gotten little kernels of other nonsense from all these
other people that they chose for me.

Speaker 3 (24:46):
How you protect yourself from it?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Now, you know, I'm realizing what it is like, I'm
realizing that this is entertainment. Yeah, and these people, I
think somebody they think that when you see the sher
microphone in front of someone and ring light and they
have theme music. Now, these little talkers, they have their
own theme music influence, right, And you see it and

(25:08):
it looks like a television show. And back when I
was a kid, you had to have some substance to
have a television show. You had to know what you
were talking about to have a television show. So you're
watching it and you're going, oh, but wait, this is
someone in their their bedroom with a two hundred dollars
mic they bought. And that doesn't mean what they're saying
is true, right, So I just look at it now
as entertainment.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
I think I think of it as well as a
little bit like when people get themselves into trouble by
saying something ill advised, perhaps perhaps clumsily thinking they're funny. Sometimes,
I don't know if you've ever noticed this, Sometimes people
think they're funny, and they're all funny.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Everybody thinks they everybody thinks they're funny.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
It's the craziest thing.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Yeah, they're laughing at their own job.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
I know. It's a thing.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
But when somebody gets into trouble, I think you see now,
this is why you have a producer.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Did you ever meet Peter la Sally who was He
was my producer at the Late Night Show.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
I had to them, said, but Peter was. Peter was
an extraordinary story.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
He was an older gentleman and he was captured by
the Nazis with German jew He was in the concentration
camps he managed to have he was in the same
class as Anne Frank.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
I mean like a horrendous story. But his family made
it to the United States and he got into show
business eventually through a series of adventures in America. Being America,
he becomes Johnny Carson's producer for thirty five years Tonight Show,
and then you know, his career goes in the dol
drums and he has to produce me.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
I will not allow it. I will not allow it.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Now, Peter is it was was a fabulous The point
is he understood the talk and Late Night was was
the beginning of YouTube. I think you know that kind
of talking directly, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I mean,
yeah yeah. And he would say to me sometimes out
of a joke, and because you know you're bullishing in your
commedian thing, I'm going to do the.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Joke, Pete. And you go, really cause we get it tomorrow. Yeah,
and don't do it. It's another joke. Yeah, it's not
that great a joke. And this is how long ago
it was.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
He would say, Look, just don't say anything that make
the people that Pete get mad.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
You don't want that dog, you don't want it.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
Do you have animals?

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I do have a dog, Yes I do. I just
had a moment when you were talking where I was.
I got a little misty that we didn't find each
other earlier, because I'm sad that I only got to
do your show that one time, Like we've done a
thousand different things since then, but once because I couldn't
get arrested in late night and I'm really good on
late night, so I couldn't figure out why. Yeah, and

(27:51):
it was and I don't even know. I think I
got your show from a cancel it. I don't think
it was. I think it was like a cancelation or something.
And then you realize, like this magic between it, you
realized it, but you were I remember you said to me,
like why am I just meeting you now? Like, why
is this the first time? And I think your show
you were ending your show like maybe a year after
that's only got to go on once.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, you know because it shows you a perception of memory.
Because if something had said to me, who were you know,
you know, give me a list of people who were
regular guests, You've definitely be.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
I would have been had I gotten I know that
I would have been if I would have gotten on. Yeah,
one time, I had one time with you. My man
did CELEBN game like fifty times, but our show, your
show was only once.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Do you still watch the game shows? Do you still
do that?

Speaker 2 (28:30):
I do.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
I've been You've going a little more seriously growing up.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
My mood has been a little dour the less a
few years. Yeah, it's like I think I think I'm
an adult now and I think I'm fully grasping how
serious all this stuff is. I hope that I haven't
lost my joy.

Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah that's good still, and you still got the show
businesslip I die.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I do, So I haven't lost my joy. But I
feel like I'm supposed to sound the alarm, and I've
been sounding the alarm for the last.

Speaker 3 (28:59):
Eight I think also you are.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
It's very this doesn't this is not you different when
I first met you.

Speaker 3 (29:06):
I don't. I don't feel like you've dropped anything.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
I think that you're as the as the Pecoq watchers
say you're you're approaching your final form, you know what
I mean, you know absolutely, And I think that I
think that that that's all right. I mean people used
to talk about it that people say so much stick
to comedy, and you go, well, now, really.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I don't do politics in my stand up. But that's
a stylistic choice, right.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
You know, you're very politically aware like you always have been.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
That I know what's going on, but I have my
position on it is slightly different, and it is actually,
if we're being honest, I think it's to do with
a sense of being a person of faith or a
person of doubt, or a person of trying to find
out what I meant to be doing right?

Speaker 3 (30:00):
What what am I here for? What about? What's my purpose?
What's my job? What have I got to do? Right?

Speaker 1 (30:05):
And I feel like when I was younger, I thought
it was for something very noble, and uh, maybe they
would carve statues. But now I'm beginning to think your
job is to give people a break.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
That's your job.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Craig also noble, Yeah, but in.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
A slightly different way.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
So my job for the like, if I'm doing ninety
minutes on stage the stand up, my job is for
ninety minutes, you laugh and you forget all about it,
and then when you leave all of that stuff your
mouth about, it's right.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
You pick it up the it's right there, absolutely, And.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
I think that there's there's there's a certain growth of
that sort of thought. It's not that it's bad, but
I wonder because I think, see, politics is always I've
always thought this is not the case with you, yes,
but politics have thought. This is where people go sometimes
when they want to appear smarter than they are, because

(31:09):
if you pick a side, then you immediately have a
bunch of people who are we can agree with you, right,
And so we're like, yeah, he's talking sense, is he though?
Really the guy with the who farted? Is he talking?
I don't know if he is. Maybe you just agree
with him. But there is a movement and this convoluted
room I'm taking you on it is because I look
at my my younger brothers and sisters, my my children's generation,

(31:32):
and people younger than me, and I look at their
earnest beliefs, and some of them I don't understand. The
manners are moving very quickly, and that's appropriate. I'm older,
they're younger.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
That happens. Oh do you do?

Speaker 2 (31:42):
You say?

Speaker 3 (31:43):
Sixty one?

Speaker 2 (31:44):
Your baby, sweet, sweet little baby.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
The only place have a baby is maybe a couple
of retirement communities in Florida and some Buddhist temples of Nepal.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
I might be the kid other than that.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
But the thing is is I look at the the
changing manners of people in our business like you can't
say the ones you got. And some of it is admirable,
some of it's correct. Somebody is that correction and some
of us think are we losing naughtiness?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
We are? And this is that necessary?

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Though?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Is that is that? Okay?

Speaker 1 (32:17):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I don't think it's I don't think it's necessary to
lose naughtiess I think naughtiness. I think losing naughtiness is
as detrimental as losing shame, okay, And we lost shame
around the same time we lost naughtiness. And there's one
thing to be naughty with a twinkle in your eye
and the understanding that you know you're tip toeing right

(32:39):
up to the edge, but you're not tiptoeing up there
to harm anybody. So it's all silliness and it's fun.
And you even if you're a really good person or
really goody goodie, you know what I'm talking.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
About, it's that, right, it's.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
That little twinkle. And I think people have course corrected
to the point where they believe that if you're naughty,
you're dark, and I don't. I mean, there's probably some
that are, but I don't think those that were choosing
that for their comedy we're doing it for that reason.
Going back to the shame thing, I feel like in
this idea of telling people you shouldn't feel bad about anything,

(33:15):
we've thrown the baby out with the bathroom. There are
some things you really should feel bad about. If you
are stealing from people or stabbing people in the back,
or you're you know, sleeping around with somebody else's wife
or husband, you should feel.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Bad about that. It's shameful.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
So yeah, so this idea when I need to be free,
no no, no, not. Your freedom should not impend on
cover somebody else's ability to be free. Your search for
love should not take love from someone else. There's things
that do what you need to do for you, but
you should do no harm in doing what you need
to do for yourself. I believe it is, but it's
also it's also I think it's every faiths. It should

(33:50):
be a part of every faith. You should walk out
your door going. I don't want to hurt nobody today.
I want to get what I want. I want to
I want to build a life that I think would
be amazing. But I for me, I can't sleep at
night if to get what I need I have to
step on someone's neck. I don't believe that that's the
way I have to get it. If I have to
step on someone's neck to get it, I don't want it. Yeah,

(34:11):
I don't want it.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah, you gotta get past that.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
No, No, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
I'm kidding.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
I feel though that I'm refreshed to hear I find
it refreshing. I'm not refreshed. I fight it refreshing. I'm
slightly refreshed here. I'm slightly refreshed, freshed. I find it
refreshing that you say that we need a little more shame.
We do because I agree, I think that you know,
you shouldn't be ashamed of yourself. Well you should be
ashamed of yourself for that, right, But but.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
But you did absolutely that was bad.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Absolutely, And I think that what I'm fascinated by when
I was talking to you about the early Christians, pre
pre Christian, pre Roman Christianity, that there was a theologian,
a gentleman by the name of Evagrius, from a town
called Pontus, which I think was in northern Turkey. It's
not really important where it was for the extent the story,

(35:06):
and he came up with the idea of the eight thoughts,
eight thoughts which take the forms of demons which separate
you from God.

Speaker 2 (35:17):
What are they?

Speaker 3 (35:18):
They are? You recognize them?

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Envy, sloth, lost, all that average, all that stuff. And
they became, of course later on the seven Deadly signs
in the in the church, and they eight went to
seven because they put sadness, which was one of the
eight thoughts, was folded into sloth.

Speaker 2 (35:36):
Well, if you said you are just laying around.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
But also I think there's a little bit of a
hint about self pity in there as well.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
There's self pity.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
I got to tell you, when I let myself down,
it's always self pity.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Right, it's not always self pity.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
But recently, like recently, sometimes I just so hungry, I
gotta cry. But but the idea of the demons and
the thoughts, the early Christians when they were thinking about that,
they didn't think of these things in moral terms. They

(36:12):
think about, these are things that will separate you from God,
from God, from the universe. And it was only in
later in the medieval Church that it became a moral
kind of you are naughty and bad if you have
these things.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
It's like, no, this is just something that's separating you
from something that's pretty great. Yeah, you know, and actually
the reason why you're here.

Speaker 2 (36:34):
But you know what, the deepest thing about Christianity for
me in the way and people that I feel are
doing it wrong. It's funny I said that as I'm
about to say what I'm about to say, Eve, We're
not supposed to judge people, you know, Christ made it
very clear. God made it clear that we're ill equipped
to decide who's getting it right and who's getting it wrong.
And one of my favorite scriptures is take the plank

(36:56):
of wood out of your eye before you fiddle with
someone else's splintery plank of wood is huge, a splinter
is tiny. So in that scripture, the Lord is saying,
whatever is on your plate is huger and more imminent
and needs to be dealt with right now, more than
what your neighbor is doing down the street. And if
you need something to put your time your mind on

(37:18):
and spend time doing work on you.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Okay, so let's let's talk a little bit of it
working on So let because you are self professed the
person of faith, what does that look like for you?
Tell me if I'm getting too personal, what does it
look like for you when not faith is tested? Can
you give me an example when you say I don't
see how this person being sick or this this thing

(37:53):
happened in my life, or this disappointed for me, how
can that?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Well, it always hits me when someone wonderful passes away
and someone that really has no desire to help anyone
just thrives and they're around the same age, you know.
Or I'll see people and I'm not ambitious in the
industry at all, So I don't mean this like I'm
not harmed up.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
What more you need?

Speaker 1 (38:16):
And you have our Senial Holes Hall named after you
and know our Cenial Hall.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
What I'm saying, though, is I if I see someone
that I know is not kind and has not ever,
in my opinion, tried to think of other people rise,
keep have like a meteorc rise. In this industry, I'm
always like, Oh, their platform is going to get so
big and they have nothing. They're not using it to
help anybody. It's just look at my lip gloss, look

(38:42):
at my dress. It's it's so part of me feels
like that. It's like that doesn't feel fair to me.
It feels like the people that should have the platform,
like you said, the people should that should have it
are people that don't want it. The people that should
be famous are the people that don't want to be famous,
you know what I mean, the people that don't desire
to be famous.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
I think fame is the nature of famous very different
than it was even ten years ago.

Speaker 2 (39:02):
Do you think?

Speaker 3 (39:02):
Yes? I do.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
I think that certainly, maybe not ten years, but certainly
when I was a kid, which is I'm afraid a
lot further ago than ten years, being famous was something
that I wanted because I felt it would remove for
me the difficulties of my life. It would make me
feel special, and it would it would, you know.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
The honest truth is I thought I wouldn't have to
go to the dentist. When I was a kid.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
I thought if I'm famous now, what I didn't know
is I'd end up in Hollywood, which you know, you, yeah,
you're going to the dentist nearly every day, absolutely, especially
if you arrived from Scotland.

Speaker 3 (39:38):
Absolutely, Okay, first thing it will be done. But we're
going to do about a couple of years in the dentist.
But I thought it would, it would separate.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Me and make me special. And I think it does,
or it used to, and I don't think it does.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
What do you think it does now?

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I think it exposes you, and I think it makes
you vulnerable to your mistakes. And what I'm mean by
that is when I was a kid, when I was
in my twenties, I drank too.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
I drank a lot.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
I got myself in a lot of trouble with alcohol,
and I you know, I got into fights and I
behaved like an idiot and I fell down, and I
made a film myself and I peed in my pants.
There's no footage of that right, you know, well maybe
after this because maybe.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I just had a mental.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, there's no actual footage of me doing that, right
and with the kids. Now, like when you talked to
earlier about the Karens I saw. I saw one recently
as a drunk woman on a train just yelling at
these German students.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Did you see this one?

Speaker 1 (40:38):
No, it's a you know, it's kind of interesting for
our purpose because it contains racism, but not black white racism.
It's a drunk women, white women on a train yelling
at some German students because they're speaking a different you know,
and she's yelling go back to your own country and
all of the usual friends and all that stuff. Thought, Yeah,

(41:02):
that's horrible what you're doing. But she's drunk of her
ass and she should learn a lesson from it.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
But you don't believe in vino veritas.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
No, I don't really. I don't believe in that because
I've said a lot of shit when I was drinking
that wasn't true. I don't think in veno veritas is
true at all. In wine truth, I don't think it's true.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
I think I think.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
For some people it may be true, but for people
like me, alcoholics. When I start drinking, I'm not home.
It ain't mean now I have to deal with behavior.
They call them spirits and the demon drink, and I
think that, you know, when I start drinking, the drink
starts drinking and then the lights are on. But I'm

(41:47):
not home, you know, And you know that doesn't mean
I'm not responsible for the actions that I take. I'm
not saying that, But what I'm saying is it's just
not what I want for myself. I'm not even I
wasn't even aware of some of thislf Like I got
in a fight. I remember particularly talking to a friend
of mine who had, like clearly, had taken a couple

(42:08):
of severe punches to the face, and that we were
talking about it and he was pretty mad at me
because it was me. They had done it right, and
we were out and it happened, and I was like,
that's terrible. So I don't believe in wine truth. I
think in veno madness from you the Latin for madness.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
Well, you know you open my eyes to that because
I have always believed that. But I also believe you.
And so if you're saying that that's not true all
the time, then I'm now going to think about it
in a different way, because that does make sense. If
someone is blacking out, and if it is something else
taking over, then that thing, whatever that thing is, is
saying whatever it. You know, it's an ind type moment

(42:49):
at that moment, it might not even be youeriods.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
But now, what I'm also saying is in part of
the way that I lived my life since I got
sober when I was twenty nine, was that it doesn't matter,
You're still responsible.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
And I had to go back and clear up.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
All the mess that i'd mad and you know that
was it doesn't absolve me for you, but it explained
it to me a little bit because I was thinking,
you know, when you get in a fight with your
friend that you adore, you know, and you guys end
up in a fight because you're drunk, that why would
I want.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
To be keep doing that? I keep doing that?

Speaker 3 (43:26):
What is it in me that that happened? And what
it was in me was alcohol.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
But I think that, you know, I became quite pious
when I got sober for a while, and you know,
I said that. So I was talking to a very
good friend of mine's still a good friend of mine,
who would also go sober some years before me. And
I said to him, I said, you know, I think
alcoholism is a low level search for God. And he said,

(43:54):
I don't know about that, he said, but he said,
in your case, i'd stick with a low level.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
But I like him, did you ever run into trouble
with anything like that?

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Did you ever find yourself on a set of behaviors
when you thought, what's going on with me?

Speaker 3 (44:09):
Why am I doing this?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
You know, probably food for me because I ate myself
in the diabetes.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
So that's a legitimate demon.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
It's a good one. Yeah, I think it's a horrible one,
not so good one, but yeah. So I think that
I never dabbled in alcohol and drugs because my grandmother
was an alcoholic and she died of that, and so
I often heard that it was genetic, and I was like, well,
I got a predisposition so much so that when I
was in seventh grade, my neighbor, I remember, they used

(44:37):
to put the free cigarette things in the in the
magazine you can take the rip it out of over.
So she had gone and got a free pack of
cigarette and she was like, we gonna smoke after school.
So I went over and she had gotten a pack
of Menthols. And when I tell you, I took one
drag on that minty goodness of that, and I said
to myself, never again. Because I'm also the person that

(44:57):
believes that if it can happen to anyone, it will
happen me. So I've seen the commercial of the lady
with the little track. I saw that and I was like,
that happened because of smoking. So if I go down
this road, that will be me. And so I just
never smoked. I never.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
I think that that's that's good.

Speaker 1 (45:16):
But I'm going to steer you back to the food
because coming back because that because that's the one that
bit you.

Speaker 3 (45:21):
Yeah, And I understand that I have.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
I behave sometimes run food, this is true, but me
I hate behave sometimes earn food.

Speaker 3 (45:34):
I think, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (45:35):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (45:36):
Why are you like I'll tell you today, I just
ho tolon because I'm in a hotel and there.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
And it's there, and it's there.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
I never buy a tol.

Speaker 2 (45:44):
No, but it's there, it's right there in the room.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Yeah. But there's also there's bottles of hooch in the
mini bar. I'm not tempted to go.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
But I don't think that the toblone has has the
stigma in the history.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
It doesn't have the power. I've got a little bit
of shame of it was tequila.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
There.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, but I think that how did you or have
you found a way to be at peace with that or.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
I mean that's the dangerous one too. I think because
you can't stop eating. You can stop drinking, you can
stop doing cocher, whatever your thing is, but you can't
stop eating.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
You have to.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
It's a it's an addiction that you have that you
have to always continue to do or you die. So
I think for me, I had to. I went got
into therapy because the question is why are you doing
whatever the addictive behavior is, why if you're sex, addic, alcohol, whatever,
Why what is going on in your life or inside
of you that you are.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Used to behaving in a way that's apparent exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
And so I got into therapy and just realized that
I was like I had low level sadness, Like I
was just sad and bored or whatever, and you yeah, yeah,
and it's like, well, I can fill this space with
something instead of picking up a book, calling a friend,
taking a walk. It was a donuts, you know. And
so what scared me straight was my diagnosis. When I

(47:02):
got diagnosed with diabetes, and I just I was like,
I don't want to be sickly, you know, I don't.
I'm not an athlete. I'm not like in the gym,
and I'm not that kind of person. But at baseline,
I don't want to have chronic diseases as I get older. Right,
But I don't think that we always think about it
like that, like we think that we're going to be

(47:22):
the lucky one and we're going to be the one
that beats whatever the thing is. Again, my mindset is
it'll be the thing that takes me out. So when
I got diabetes, I'm like, well they cutting off my legs?
Did you take them my legs?

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Did you think when COVID committed you think I'm going
to die?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
Absolutely? I'm like, it's absolute gonna get me.

Speaker 3 (47:35):
I'm going to die this.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Oh yeah, I was totally.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
You obviously got it right, I got it once. Yeah,
I got it. I have had a twice.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
Yeah, I'm a bit of a germophobe. Anyway. So I
already was wearing masks on planes because I had just
booked a kids show and was flying back and forth
from New York doing this kids show, and I knew
kids were Petri dishes. So I was like, I need
to wear a mask to protect myself from these babies
who could have lord knows what. And that was in
October of twenty nineteen. So I came back to LA

(48:01):
from New York and the world blew up. But I
already had masks, so I was already in that mindset
of you have to protect yourself. But yeah I did.
I did all I did, the vaccines and social distancing.
I'm still sprints and everything. Like I'm still in it.

Speaker 3 (48:15):
I'm kind of a bit like that.

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah, I mean I washed my hands when I get home,
you know, I mean like they haven't been anywhere.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
Things we probably should have been doing anyway, though, Like
when you think about, what I think about now is
how many times I walk through sneezes And you know
you don't you don't want to, but if you're on
a plane and a person next to you sneezes, I
didn't used to cover myself or I would just be like, okay,
the person sneeze. But now I'm like get droplets, you know,
Like I like literally thinking about what I.

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Get like that too. I get when I hear someone coughing.
But it's funny enough. It's always in an airport plane.

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I'm like, oh god, damn, I can just stay home.
You know.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
It just makes me take my mask and like pinch
the nose a little tighter. Yeah, a little more.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
It's funny. I people go even mad at that, I know.
I was like, I don't at that.

Speaker 2 (49:09):
Yeah, but I think also going back to how we've
lost ourselves in the last eight years, in particular, you
wear the mask. When they said that you wear the
mask to protect others, I was like, this is the
perfect reason to say it, like because I'm thinking everybody
wants to make sure that they don't harm other people.
So of course you say and that was the reason
people didn't wear it. They were like, oh, well, if

(49:29):
I'm fine, I don't have to watch. I don't know them,
you know. And I'm like, yeah, why don't you You
don't want the person down the street to be okay?
Like I don't. It's foreign to me to not want
other people to be okay.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
How do we inject more decency into society?

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Gosh, I don't know, sat.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
You know, I don't know, like I kind of feel like,
and I hate to say this because this is like defeatists,
but I feel like you either come here with a
heart for people or you don't. I think it's you
can because I remember one time I was no, no, no.
I mean there may be redemption, but I'm saying it's
like a muscle. I think if you don't come here
with it, you can exercise it to learn how. But
I remember I was on set one day and I
don't even know what I did, but one of my

(50:11):
cast members said, you're really nice to people, and I
said m hm, and she said, I don't really know
how to do that, and I was like, what, I.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Think I can almost name this, you know, I was like,
what do you mean?

Speaker 2 (50:25):
You don't know how? Like to me, it just seems
like air to breathe. You just put other people's needs
ahead of your own. And then if you if I
put your needs ahead of you and you put my
needs ahead of me of you, we're both taking care
of It's the same way in a love relationship. If
I love you with all I have and you love
me with all you have, we're both okay. The problem
is when I love you with all I have, and

(50:47):
you also love you with all you have. Then I'm left.
So if we all would be outward facing and look
around and go, who can I help today? What can
I sew? That's good today? Because even coming here I
get to see my buddy Craig and I get to
have this conversation. But I didn't come here going how
can I make myself great? On his podcast? I'm like,
how can I say? I hope I can say something

(51:09):
that sparks something in someone's mind and it takes them
down a path that's better.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
I think.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
You know, when I talk to my children and when
I talk to myself, because insite me as a self pity,
I'll be a little boy. So let's not make it
about your kids, Craig. Let's tell the truth. What I
do is self pity is a real legitimate demon, I think.

(51:35):
And what I try and do is find a way
to be of service, like you're talking about, for another
human being. I'm lucky because the way I you know,
as a sober alcoholic, there was an obvious way for
me to go, which is, you know, find a drunk
help be a interial. What service does I think it

(51:56):
doesn't take away your problems, but it's she's thinking about it.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Absolutely absolutely. It takes your mind off and it gives
you perspective.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
That's the word I was going to do. It gives
you a perspective.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
So you know, if I'm talking to someone who suffers
from the same condition I have, who's just come in
the door. Like so, for example, when I when you
arrive into sobriety.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
And the way that the idea, you know that you
get arrows.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
In your hat and it's like, you know, you're all
like burnt and stuff like that, and you know, time
goes by, you get a nice suit, you comb your hair,
you get a haircut that clears up, and you kind
of forget a little bit. So if you spend time
around the people that are still got arrows in their hats,
that you know, it's a good sense of a good
reminder of what's available to you if you want.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
To go back the way.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
Yeah, so we're coming to the end of this now,
So no, well, the end of this episode, this is
a this will we go down? Is this episode will
be the last one you're dead before you ran.

Speaker 3 (52:56):
Now, I do know one of the senators. Hi, you
do which one shared?

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (53:02):
Now shared. He's a nice man. He's uh, he's a
career politician. He's been there for a long time. Now,
who's the other guys? Who's the other center in Ohio?

Speaker 2 (53:15):
The guy that just it's not it's not Vance now Vance.

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Is not anyway. What I'm saying is this, you know
Sharon Brown.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
I don't know him personally, know well, his name is Brown, Yes,
and your name is Brian. It is. And I like
Sharon and he's got a sense of humor and you'd
get a kick out of I think the two you
represent the great state of Ohio and in the Senate,
I think that's waits.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
One have to have to leave LA, have to go
back to Ohio.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
I think you should have to run. Yeah, I think
you have to. You can keep a place here and
pay California Texas. But but I think you should you
should think. But I mean, look, the LA always be
the event Nicole Brown Building.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Here in Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (53:53):
People are literally going to start looking for this building.
It does not exist.

Speaker 1 (53:55):
It's in cosmos. Event Brown Building. I adore you. I'm
always fascinated by our discussions because they always end up
going somewhere.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
And then I know it's I never even plan what
I'm going to say when I come to see you where,
you know, because I think I've done every iteration of
this that you've done since your job. I don't even plan.
I just I just go, I'm going to talk to
my buddy. Yeah, talk to my buddy.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
For We're gonna shoot the Yeah, shoot the poop, the poop.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
I was I was gonna say shoot the and then
I was like, no, I don't because you're a Baptist.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
I don't like this.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I said those words.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yeah, but you know, but I you know, when you
somebody says they're a Baptist, I feel like I shouldn't swear.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Them from Oh that's I mean, you can listen.

Speaker 3 (54:38):
I've got highly developed I.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Feel like the Lord would strike me down. If I said,
how dare you cuss? He'd be like even.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Really really, I think the and the Lord is going
to be striking people down. He's got a long list
of people he's got to gains.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
The youth forcussion, absolutely, I love you, I love you

Speaker 2 (55:00):
The format Bop Parker for Putt
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