August 29, 2023 • 21 mins
Bravo issued a response in Bethenny’s ongoing fight for reality stars…and to put it politely…she’s not buying it.
Plus, find out what B is pulling the plug on, exes living together and a not-so secret obsession.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
So Bravo issued a response saying that cast members on
reality television are not held to NDA's for any reason
besides protecting storylines. That's just bullshit. People have been allegedly
threatened that if they speak about anything in any area,
(00:34):
including their experience on reality television or just anything like,
if they talk about anything that goes on, they will
get sued. It's certainly not about storylines, because you see
storylines discussed everywhere on social media long before they air.
So it's just a bullshit response, and it's a way
(00:55):
for them to try to protect their reputation and make
it like there are no illegal practices and violations behind
the scenes. It's just a bullshit response. It's just a
bullshit response. Having been on reality television, you definitely don't
feel like you can speak out about anything behind the scenes,
(01:21):
and storylines is never something that anybody even talks to
you about not sharing. It's just not. I've never once
heard of I've never once heard of Bravo or anyone
saying like, please protect the storyline. It's just not because
nothing is the same when it's on camera, and all
the time storylines get revealed in the media and people
(01:44):
never get threatened to be sued. But many people have
been threatened to be sued by the powers that be
for talking about anything that goes on in production. So
that's just not true. But it's a great bullshit corporate answer. Okay,
So let's seal the practice on the Rachel Ariana vander
(02:08):
Pump Rules saga. The Bravo PR machine is vander pumping.
The cast is out in droves speaking about this because
it's a circular reference. It's a for profit scandal all machine.
And the more they talk about it, the more I
talk about it, the more money we pump into this atmosphere.
(02:31):
So it's been a big thing over here because I
had never really been immersed in this world, and now
I have a PhD in this world that I was
never really that interested in. So today I would like
to just seal the practice. With any luck, we will
not be talking about vander Pump Rules or this whole
group for a while, so let's close it out. Many
(02:53):
of you like when I talk about other things and
lipgloss and tortilla chips and other not important things. Let's
just seal the practice and hope that we don't have
to talk about this for a while, shall we. So
(03:18):
I've been thinking a lot about difficult breakups and divorce,
and people do compare a difficult divorce to a death.
There was even a debate on The Housewives about this
one time. And every experience is different. No two divorces
are the same, but there are many similarities. So if
(03:40):
you've ever been through a terrible divorce illegal divorce meaning
you are legally married and you have a legal custody battle,
you know. And more than I think, it's like sixty
percent of marriages end up in divorced. So many people
know what it's like to go through a wretched divorce
(04:03):
and custody battle. I am one of them. Now. Often
people have to stay in the same house because they
cannot afford They literally cannot afford to move out. And
it is torture for people, and it is so horrible,
And I've gotten letters and often one person uses the
money as a power. I've spoken to people in situations
(04:25):
where the power control over money is so great that
one person has to live in the same house with someone.
I mean, there are horrible stories. And if you know,
you know, and many of you, unfortunately know. There's another
reason that people sometimes stay under the same roof, and
it's called abandonment, meaning say you're married, you're legally married,
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and you just want to get out of this house.
You want to take your kid, and you want to
get out if one party leaves the residence, because you
can't just take your kid. You're married, you're legally married.
You can't just grab your kid because that's like almost kidnapping.
So let's say you want to go out and you
just want to stay at your friends during the time
that you're not with your kid, which by the way,
hasn't been defined yet because no one has said what
(05:08):
the schedule is, and if you're dealing with a monster,
there's no schedule, and so the person will try to
control and take the kid and like it's it's horrible,
but you love your kids, so you have to be
there and deal with this person that has become your
instant enemy. In many cases, the person's recording you, following you,
threatening you. I've been through all of it. Okay, I've
(05:29):
been through hacked computers, I've been through emotional abuse. I've
been through all of it. So I really I know
what it's like. So you stay because of your child,
but you are suffering in your home. You are that's
the desperate. When you're desperate, you are suffering in your
own home. And if one party says I cannot do
(05:51):
this anymore, even for the child, I'll leave and then
find a way to go back and visit or get
my child and find some way before the courts say
what's going to happen, because it seems like everything's in
an emergency, Like you want to call the judge, but
lawyers will say, that's not an emergency. You don't know
the schedule yet, but you're like, no, this person's torturing
me and we don't have a literal schedule, So what
(06:11):
are you gonna do? Grab your child by the arm,
kidnap them from school? Like if you know, you know?
So one thing that a parent wants to do is
not have the child experience that stress. I've been through
this where I want to stay somewhere else and find
a way to create some organization and take my child
when I can. Again, no court has made ruling yet,
(06:35):
so there's no set and stone thing. And if you
have a difficult X and if you know, you know,
there's nothing that there's no guardian, there's no principle, there's
nobody saying what's what. So I had a situation where
I said I have to go stay with a friend.
I cannot have my child witness this toxicity. And the
(06:58):
lawyers will say to you, that's abandonment because in some states,
if one person leaves the marital residence, it's almost like
you're leaving the marital residence, meaning you're forfeiting either the
residence or possible custody. Even if you're spending a lot
of time with your child, it's appeared to be called abandonment.
All these things aren't literal based on what's going on.
(07:19):
The courts have to have certain rules based on a
majority of experiences. So there is something called abandonment, and
lawyers will say you cannot leave the residence. In my case,
I did that and the judge applauded it because they
said that no child should ever experience an environment like this.
So you have to try to make a decision for
(07:41):
the child, the best interests of the child, they are
the number one priority. You're having your own experience, and many,
many bitter and spiteful exes will try to torture the
other parent because they hate the other parent more than
they love the child, so they try to be and
they threaten and like, there are a lot of examples
(08:03):
of this. These are situations where you're desperate. You're desperate,
all the options are terrible and you don't know what
to do. And it's by design because in divorce, if
one person folds and gets weak, they just want it
to be over. Sometimes people make bad divorce decisions, they
go for bad agreements because they just want the suffering
(08:23):
to be over. And that's by design by one party.
And it doesn't have to be the party that has
more money. It could be the party that has nothing
to lose. It could be the party that's been really bitter.
It could be the non moneyed spouse. There's so many
different options. It could be the really really rich spouse
that just wants to use money and turn off the
electricity or turn off you turn off the credit cards,
(08:45):
or turn off you know, the gas bill. Any way
that one person suffers. And I've heard all of these examples.
So when I say, I stand by the fact that
a breakup with a legal marriage and a custody battle
(09:07):
is very different than a breakup that is not legally binding,
and that doesn't have kids. It doesn't mean that I
don't have compassion for someone who goes through a terrible breakup.
It means that I am allowed to say, and I
have institutional knowledge on the topic, that a non legal
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marriage without children is not the same breakup as a
breakup that I'm describing a really harsh, toxic breakup. I'm
also going to double down and say that unless you
are destitute or desperate, there is no reason why you
(09:47):
would live under the same roof as someone who really
really hurt you or from a very toxic, harsh breakup.
It's just and I'm going to triple down and say
that if you go through a terrible, terrible breakup and
then a windfall of money and business opportunities comes, you're
(10:12):
in rare air. That's a rarity. Most people that get
cheated on and broken up with don't have an influx
of opportunities. It does not invalidate the fact that you've
gone through something terrible. It just helps. Most people that
go through bad divorces and custody battles don't have a
vehicle to make a lot of money off of that experience.
(10:34):
And yes, I'm talking about my recent podcast with Rachel.
I'm talking about vander Pomp rules because I validate Ariana's
experience as a woman who went through a breakup and
was cheated on. I also validate Rachel's experience of a
woman who did terrible things for seven months, was duplicitous
and cheated, but then was emotionally abused in the process.
(10:59):
So it made two wrongs, don't make a right. She
went to an emotional health facility for three months that
she paid for, it wasn't paid for, and she worked
on herself. I am allowed to validate her experience as
much as I am validating that Arianna was cheated on
and broken up with. And it may be unpopular, but
I can handle the fact that two things can be
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going on at the same time. Ariana can have been
cheated on. I can also say that breaking up with
someone when it's not legally binding and not having children
and going through a custody battle is not the same thing.
It's not the same thing. I've gone through both. I
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have not been in a relationship for ten years, so
that's a different experience, and I validate that as a
real relationship. It's also a for profit scandal. Scandalal is
a for profit cheating scandal where two people have profited
and one person has not. That may be unpopular, and
(12:04):
that's okay, but it's a for profit scandal, and the
more that we talk about it, the more money that
they make. And nothing would be better than going through
a horrible breakup and then being financially rewarded for it,
and a breakup that is not legally binding and a
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custody battle. A breakup where you don't have children and
you're not legally married is not the same as a
custody battle and a legally binding marriage that ends up
in divorce. That is a brutal experience. It is a
brutal experience. I cannot see a situation besides desperation and
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destitution and maybe a for profit scandal that would allow
for me to live under the same roof with someone
that i'd gone through a horrible breakup with. I can't
imagine working with and living with someone under these circumstances
unless I was completely desperate or destitute or profiting off
(13:10):
of the scandal. Sorry, it's not popular. I validate Ariana's experience.
I validate anyone who's broken up with someone and for
it to be twisted and for it to be portrayed
that I don't validate someone's relationship because they don't have kids.
It's not true. I validate every relationship that doesn't end
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up in children. I just am saying that a custody
battle and a brutal divorce is very different than a
breakup that's not legally binding. Sorry. I validate Ariana's experience
as someone who's been cheated on and hurt. I also
validate Rachel's experience as someone who has cheated for seven months,
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made horrible mistakes, went away to an emotional health facility
for three months on her own dime, made no money
from a scandal that is a for profit scandal. It
may be unpopular, but it doesn't make it false. Oh
(14:17):
my god, the podcasters are so obsessed with the fact
that this podcast went to number one as a result
of having Rachel on, So just be in the beginning
was top five, was four and five, and I was
really excited about that. It had never been to number one.
And yes, it went to number one for almost a week,
(14:38):
which was amazing, And other podcasters are really criticizing that, saying, well,
if she hadn't had Rachel then it wouldn't have gone
to number one, well exactly, but we did have Rachel
and if jay Leno didn't have Hugh Grant on years
ago after his scandal with Divine Brown, and jay Leno
didn't have Hugh Grant sit down on the couch and
say to Hugh Grant first sent in as he sat down,
(15:01):
what the heck were you thinking after this scandal where
Hugh Grant was with this prostitute. That night, jay Leno's
show went to number one and beat David Letterman for
the first time and it didn't flip back. So it's hysterical.
Other podcasters that are you know that want to comment
on but she wouldn't have been to number one. Who cares.
(15:22):
I don't care how. I definitely don't care how we
went to number one, and we will go to number
one again. But it's so seeding with jealousy and so
focused on other people's success and so focused on other
people's journey instead of your own. And it's hilarious because
it's really triggered people. So I say to you, in business,
if you're doing something that is legal and ethical and
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moral and correct and smart business and you get to
number one, you fucking grab that trophy and you own it.
You be excited. So yeah, we got to number one
because Rachel's team reached out to me because it's something
very intelligent that I said, because we orchestrated and kept
a secret an interview that is exactly how I heart myself,
(16:06):
and Rachel and the listeners who tuned in for one, two,
and three wanted it to go. So you can jump
up and down and criticize it as much as you want.
You can also be frustrated because you've gone to the
powers that be and asked why you didn't get the
interview and have vocally been very loud about the fact
that you wanted the interview. And many of the people
(16:26):
that are criticizing the podcast are people that have trashed
this girl. So they trashed this girl, which I never did,
and they wanted the interview, and now they're mad that
I got the interview, and they keep finding all these
different reasons why they're mad. The first one was that
I didn't watch all of the shows, which I never
wanted to watch all the shows, and she didn't want
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me to watch all the shows. So the people that
the millions of people, the three million people that listen
to one, two, and three, they could have stopped. They're happy.
She's happy, I'm happy. Iheart's happy. There's like a handful
of podcasters and bloggers that are and TikTokers that aren't happy. Well,
go talk to a therapist because we're all thrilled. And
we did go to number one, and yes, that was
(17:08):
called smart. So let me ask you a question. All
these bloggers that say that we're clout chasers, So these
bloggers and podcasters, they say number one cloud chaser, did
it to be relevant? I'm curious what is everyone else
doing a podcast for. It seems to me that the
people that are doing podcasts are doing it for a
(17:31):
profit with the hopes of a profit. It also seems
like they'd prefer to be number one, the number one million,
So it seems like it's a for profit venture. And
I'm happy to give them the name of some people
on the ground, my team in Hawaii. If they want
to do a four charity podcast, that would be amazing.
But I think that it is for profit number one,
(17:54):
but number and for clout and for relevance. So yeah,
if you're relevant, you go to the top. If you're
for cloud you go to the top. If you're not
for clout, you go to the bottom. I don't know
if they went to business school, but like that's kind
of how that stuff works. Okay, let's break that down.
First of all, nobody knows what my relationship is with
Rachel and whether I care about her or I don't.
(18:15):
But now are we in the Sharing is Caring podcast universe?
So let me ask you this. All the people that
all of these podcasts trash on reality TV, like that's
literally the business of these podcasts. They trash reality TV?
Do they care about the people that they're trashing? Are
they only having guests on that they care about? Have
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we called Oprah and asked her if she deeply cared
about every single guest she's ever had on? Do we
call The Today Show and Good Morning America and ask
if they care deeply about every guest they've ever had
on while they run a for profit business. It is
so obvious and so stupid and such dumb business and
such dumb people who are saying that I didn't really
(18:59):
care about Rachel, Well, if you're going to be jealous,
please don't be stupid. At the same time, try to
be one or the other jealous and stupid is a
terrible combination, like and you have to have your facts
back in you. So everybody who has a podcast who's
criticized whether I cared about Rachel or not needs to
make sure that every person they ever talk about including me,
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Because if they're talking about me and they're saying that
I don't care and it's because I'm doing this for profit,
are they not talking about me for their profit on
their podcast and did they really care about me? Because
I didn't get any Christmas cards from them. I didn't
get any muffin baskets from these Sharing is Caring podcasts.
(19:44):
So I'm so sorry everybody that we went to number
one and that I had Rachel on and that it
was just a terrible exploitation, because I'm going to in
the future google Gaga that every single podcast guest and
make sure that I want to snuggle with them and
give them a lollipop and a Teddy Bear because they're
my friends. We have to snuggle. I want to snuggle
with all my podcast guys. I'm gonna call up Mark
(20:05):
Cuban and be like, why didn't we snuggle? Do you
think I care about you? Matthew McConaughey, are you thinking
about whether I care about you? Before I have you on?
Hillary Clinton? Did you and Bill talk about whether I care?
I had you on because I care about you. You're
my friend. I'm only gonna have people that I really
love and care about on the podcast because this is
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Valentine's Day and it's a Hallmark card and only podcasts
with the ones you love. Fucking bullshit, sell your bullshit elsewhere.
Bethany doesn't care about these people. She doesn't care. Oh,
this is the caring podcast network, where we only care
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enough to talk about the ones we love. Like what
be smart? When you're gonna be jealous, please be smart.
Don't be jealous and stupid at the same time. It's
a terrible combination.
So Bravo issued a response saying that cast members on
reality television are not held to NDA's for any reason
besides protecting storylines. That's just bullshit. People have been allegedly
threatened that if they speak about anything in any area,
(00:34):
including their experience on reality television or just anything like,
if they talk about anything that goes on, they will
get sued. It's certainly not about storylines, because you see
storylines discussed everywhere on social media long before they air.
So it's just a bullshit response, and it's a way
(00:55):
for them to try to protect their reputation and make
it like there are no illegal practices and violations behind
the scenes. It's just a bullshit response. It's just a
bullshit response. Having been on reality television, you definitely don't
feel like you can speak out about anything behind the scenes,
(01:21):
and storylines is never something that anybody even talks to
you about not sharing. It's just not. I've never once
heard of I've never once heard of Bravo or anyone
saying like, please protect the storyline. It's just not because
nothing is the same when it's on camera, and all
the time storylines get revealed in the media and people
(01:44):
never get threatened to be sued. But many people have
been threatened to be sued by the powers that be
for talking about anything that goes on in production. So
that's just not true. But it's a great bullshit corporate answer. Okay,
So let's seal the practice on the Rachel Ariana vander
(02:08):
Pump Rules saga. The Bravo PR machine is vander pumping.
The cast is out in droves speaking about this because
it's a circular reference. It's a for profit scandal all machine.
And the more they talk about it, the more I
talk about it, the more money we pump into this atmosphere.
(02:31):
So it's been a big thing over here because I
had never really been immersed in this world, and now
I have a PhD in this world that I was
never really that interested in. So today I would like
to just seal the practice. With any luck, we will
not be talking about vander Pump Rules or this whole
group for a while, so let's close it out. Many
(02:53):
of you like when I talk about other things and
lipgloss and tortilla chips and other not important things. Let's
just seal the practice and hope that we don't have
to talk about this for a while, shall we. So
(03:18):
I've been thinking a lot about difficult breakups and divorce,
and people do compare a difficult divorce to a death.
There was even a debate on The Housewives about this
one time. And every experience is different. No two divorces
are the same, but there are many similarities. So if
(03:40):
you've ever been through a terrible divorce illegal divorce meaning
you are legally married and you have a legal custody battle,
you know. And more than I think, it's like sixty
percent of marriages end up in divorced. So many people
know what it's like to go through a wretched divorce
(04:03):
and custody battle. I am one of them. Now. Often
people have to stay in the same house because they
cannot afford They literally cannot afford to move out. And
it is torture for people, and it is so horrible,
And I've gotten letters and often one person uses the
money as a power. I've spoken to people in situations
(04:25):
where the power control over money is so great that
one person has to live in the same house with someone.
I mean, there are horrible stories. And if you know,
you know, and many of you, unfortunately know. There's another
reason that people sometimes stay under the same roof, and
it's called abandonment, meaning say you're married, you're legally married,
(04:47):
and you just want to get out of this house.
You want to take your kid, and you want to
get out if one party leaves the residence, because you
can't just take your kid. You're married, you're legally married.
You can't just grab your kid because that's like almost kidnapping.
So let's say you want to go out and you
just want to stay at your friends during the time
that you're not with your kid, which by the way,
hasn't been defined yet because no one has said what
(05:08):
the schedule is, and if you're dealing with a monster,
there's no schedule, and so the person will try to
control and take the kid and like it's it's horrible,
but you love your kids, so you have to be
there and deal with this person that has become your
instant enemy. In many cases, the person's recording you, following you,
threatening you. I've been through all of it. Okay, I've
(05:29):
been through hacked computers, I've been through emotional abuse. I've
been through all of it. So I really I know
what it's like. So you stay because of your child,
but you are suffering in your home. You are that's
the desperate. When you're desperate, you are suffering in your
own home. And if one party says I cannot do
(05:51):
this anymore, even for the child, I'll leave and then
find a way to go back and visit or get
my child and find some way before the courts say
what's going to happen, because it seems like everything's in
an emergency, Like you want to call the judge, but
lawyers will say, that's not an emergency. You don't know
the schedule yet, but you're like, no, this person's torturing
me and we don't have a literal schedule, So what
(06:11):
are you gonna do? Grab your child by the arm,
kidnap them from school? Like if you know, you know?
So one thing that a parent wants to do is
not have the child experience that stress. I've been through
this where I want to stay somewhere else and find
a way to create some organization and take my child
when I can. Again, no court has made ruling yet,
(06:35):
so there's no set and stone thing. And if you
have a difficult X and if you know, you know,
there's nothing that there's no guardian, there's no principle, there's
nobody saying what's what. So I had a situation where
I said I have to go stay with a friend.
I cannot have my child witness this toxicity. And the
(06:58):
lawyers will say to you, that's abandonment because in some states,
if one person leaves the marital residence, it's almost like
you're leaving the marital residence, meaning you're forfeiting either the
residence or possible custody. Even if you're spending a lot
of time with your child, it's appeared to be called abandonment.
All these things aren't literal based on what's going on.
(07:19):
The courts have to have certain rules based on a
majority of experiences. So there is something called abandonment, and
lawyers will say you cannot leave the residence. In my case,
I did that and the judge applauded it because they
said that no child should ever experience an environment like this.
So you have to try to make a decision for
(07:41):
the child, the best interests of the child, they are
the number one priority. You're having your own experience, and many,
many bitter and spiteful exes will try to torture the
other parent because they hate the other parent more than
they love the child, so they try to be and
they threaten and like, there are a lot of examples
(08:03):
of this. These are situations where you're desperate. You're desperate,
all the options are terrible and you don't know what
to do. And it's by design because in divorce, if
one person folds and gets weak, they just want it
to be over. Sometimes people make bad divorce decisions, they
go for bad agreements because they just want the suffering
(08:23):
to be over. And that's by design by one party.
And it doesn't have to be the party that has
more money. It could be the party that has nothing
to lose. It could be the party that's been really bitter.
It could be the non moneyed spouse. There's so many
different options. It could be the really really rich spouse
that just wants to use money and turn off the
electricity or turn off you turn off the credit cards,
(08:45):
or turn off you know, the gas bill. Any way
that one person suffers. And I've heard all of these examples.
So when I say, I stand by the fact that
a breakup with a legal marriage and a custody battle
(09:07):
is very different than a breakup that is not legally binding,
and that doesn't have kids. It doesn't mean that I
don't have compassion for someone who goes through a terrible breakup.
It means that I am allowed to say, and I
have institutional knowledge on the topic, that a non legal
(09:27):
marriage without children is not the same breakup as a
breakup that I'm describing a really harsh, toxic breakup. I'm
also going to double down and say that unless you
are destitute or desperate, there is no reason why you
(09:47):
would live under the same roof as someone who really
really hurt you or from a very toxic, harsh breakup.
It's just and I'm going to triple down and say
that if you go through a terrible, terrible breakup and
then a windfall of money and business opportunities comes, you're
(10:12):
in rare air. That's a rarity. Most people that get
cheated on and broken up with don't have an influx
of opportunities. It does not invalidate the fact that you've
gone through something terrible. It just helps. Most people that
go through bad divorces and custody battles don't have a
vehicle to make a lot of money off of that experience.
(10:34):
And yes, I'm talking about my recent podcast with Rachel.
I'm talking about vander Pomp rules because I validate Ariana's
experience as a woman who went through a breakup and
was cheated on. I also validate Rachel's experience of a
woman who did terrible things for seven months, was duplicitous
and cheated, but then was emotionally abused in the process.
(10:59):
So it made two wrongs, don't make a right. She
went to an emotional health facility for three months that
she paid for, it wasn't paid for, and she worked
on herself. I am allowed to validate her experience as
much as I am validating that Arianna was cheated on
and broken up with. And it may be unpopular, but
I can handle the fact that two things can be
(11:22):
going on at the same time. Ariana can have been
cheated on. I can also say that breaking up with
someone when it's not legally binding and not having children
and going through a custody battle is not the same thing.
It's not the same thing. I've gone through both. I
(11:42):
have not been in a relationship for ten years, so
that's a different experience, and I validate that as a
real relationship. It's also a for profit scandal. Scandalal is
a for profit cheating scandal where two people have profited
and one person has not. That may be unpopular, and
(12:04):
that's okay, but it's a for profit scandal, and the
more that we talk about it, the more money that
they make. And nothing would be better than going through
a horrible breakup and then being financially rewarded for it,
and a breakup that is not legally binding and a
(12:24):
custody battle. A breakup where you don't have children and
you're not legally married is not the same as a
custody battle and a legally binding marriage that ends up
in divorce. That is a brutal experience. It is a
brutal experience. I cannot see a situation besides desperation and
(12:48):
destitution and maybe a for profit scandal that would allow
for me to live under the same roof with someone
that i'd gone through a horrible breakup with. I can't
imagine working with and living with someone under these circumstances
unless I was completely desperate or destitute or profiting off
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of the scandal. Sorry, it's not popular. I validate Ariana's experience.
I validate anyone who's broken up with someone and for
it to be twisted and for it to be portrayed
that I don't validate someone's relationship because they don't have kids.
It's not true. I validate every relationship that doesn't end
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up in children. I just am saying that a custody
battle and a brutal divorce is very different than a
breakup that's not legally binding. Sorry. I validate Ariana's experience
as someone who's been cheated on and hurt. I also
validate Rachel's experience as someone who has cheated for seven months,
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made horrible mistakes, went away to an emotional health facility
for three months on her own dime, made no money
from a scandal that is a for profit scandal. It
may be unpopular, but it doesn't make it false. Oh
(14:17):
my god, the podcasters are so obsessed with the fact
that this podcast went to number one as a result
of having Rachel on, So just be in the beginning
was top five, was four and five, and I was
really excited about that. It had never been to number one.
And yes, it went to number one for almost a week,
(14:38):
which was amazing, And other podcasters are really criticizing that, saying, well,
if she hadn't had Rachel then it wouldn't have gone
to number one, well exactly, but we did have Rachel
and if jay Leno didn't have Hugh Grant on years
ago after his scandal with Divine Brown, and jay Leno
didn't have Hugh Grant sit down on the couch and
say to Hugh Grant first sent in as he sat down,
(15:01):
what the heck were you thinking after this scandal where
Hugh Grant was with this prostitute. That night, jay Leno's
show went to number one and beat David Letterman for
the first time and it didn't flip back. So it's hysterical.
Other podcasters that are you know that want to comment
on but she wouldn't have been to number one. Who cares.
(15:22):
I don't care how. I definitely don't care how we
went to number one, and we will go to number
one again. But it's so seeding with jealousy and so
focused on other people's success and so focused on other
people's journey instead of your own. And it's hilarious because
it's really triggered people. So I say to you, in business,
if you're doing something that is legal and ethical and
(15:45):
moral and correct and smart business and you get to
number one, you fucking grab that trophy and you own it.
You be excited. So yeah, we got to number one
because Rachel's team reached out to me because it's something
very intelligent that I said, because we orchestrated and kept
a secret an interview that is exactly how I heart myself,
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and Rachel and the listeners who tuned in for one, two,
and three wanted it to go. So you can jump
up and down and criticize it as much as you want.
You can also be frustrated because you've gone to the
powers that be and asked why you didn't get the
interview and have vocally been very loud about the fact
that you wanted the interview. And many of the people
(16:26):
that are criticizing the podcast are people that have trashed
this girl. So they trashed this girl, which I never did,
and they wanted the interview, and now they're mad that
I got the interview, and they keep finding all these
different reasons why they're mad. The first one was that
I didn't watch all of the shows, which I never
wanted to watch all the shows, and she didn't want
(16:47):
me to watch all the shows. So the people that
the millions of people, the three million people that listen
to one, two, and three, they could have stopped. They're happy.
She's happy, I'm happy. Iheart's happy. There's like a handful
of podcasters and bloggers that are and TikTokers that aren't happy. Well,
go talk to a therapist because we're all thrilled. And
we did go to number one, and yes, that was
(17:08):
called smart. So let me ask you a question. All
these bloggers that say that we're clout chasers, So these
bloggers and podcasters, they say number one cloud chaser, did
it to be relevant? I'm curious what is everyone else
doing a podcast for. It seems to me that the
people that are doing podcasts are doing it for a
(17:31):
profit with the hopes of a profit. It also seems
like they'd prefer to be number one, the number one million,
So it seems like it's a for profit venture. And
I'm happy to give them the name of some people
on the ground, my team in Hawaii. If they want
to do a four charity podcast, that would be amazing.
But I think that it is for profit number one,
(17:54):
but number and for clout and for relevance. So yeah,
if you're relevant, you go to the top. If you're
for cloud you go to the top. If you're not
for clout, you go to the bottom. I don't know
if they went to business school, but like that's kind
of how that stuff works. Okay, let's break that down.
First of all, nobody knows what my relationship is with
Rachel and whether I care about her or I don't.
(18:15):
But now are we in the Sharing is Caring podcast universe?
So let me ask you this. All the people that
all of these podcasts trash on reality TV, like that's
literally the business of these podcasts. They trash reality TV?
Do they care about the people that they're trashing? Are
they only having guests on that they care about? Have
(18:36):
we called Oprah and asked her if she deeply cared
about every single guest she's ever had on? Do we
call The Today Show and Good Morning America and ask
if they care deeply about every guest they've ever had
on while they run a for profit business. It is
so obvious and so stupid and such dumb business and
such dumb people who are saying that I didn't really
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care about Rachel, Well, if you're going to be jealous,
please don't be stupid. At the same time, try to
be one or the other jealous and stupid is a
terrible combination, like and you have to have your facts
back in you. So everybody who has a podcast who's
criticized whether I cared about Rachel or not needs to
make sure that every person they ever talk about including me,
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Because if they're talking about me and they're saying that
I don't care and it's because I'm doing this for profit,
are they not talking about me for their profit on
their podcast and did they really care about me? Because
I didn't get any Christmas cards from them. I didn't
get any muffin baskets from these Sharing is Caring podcasts.
(19:44):
So I'm so sorry everybody that we went to number
one and that I had Rachel on and that it
was just a terrible exploitation, because I'm going to in
the future google Gaga that every single podcast guest and
make sure that I want to snuggle with them and
give them a lollipop and a Teddy Bear because they're
my friends. We have to snuggle. I want to snuggle
with all my podcast guys. I'm gonna call up Mark
(20:05):
Cuban and be like, why didn't we snuggle? Do you
think I care about you? Matthew McConaughey, are you thinking
about whether I care about you? Before I have you on?
Hillary Clinton? Did you and Bill talk about whether I care?
I had you on because I care about you. You're
my friend. I'm only gonna have people that I really
love and care about on the podcast because this is
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Valentine's Day and it's a Hallmark card and only podcasts
with the ones you love. Fucking bullshit, sell your bullshit elsewhere.
Bethany doesn't care about these people. She doesn't care. Oh,
this is the caring podcast network, where we only care
(20:47):
enough to talk about the ones we love. Like what
be smart? When you're gonna be jealous, please be smart.
Don't be jealous and stupid at the same time. It's
a terrible combination.
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Bethenny Frankel
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