July 13, 2023 • 39 mins
Katie chats with former Fox musical comedy-drama series “Glee” actress and singer, Jenna Ushkowitz. The two sound off about Jenna’s journey into motherhood.
Jenna discusses how members of her “Glee” cas family met her daughter, and how crazy it is that everyone is now all having children now. She also goes into how she has been working out on her very own trampoline during and after pregnancy. Finally, the Grammy Award-nominated artiste explains how wild and life changing motherhood has been for her family, her dog, and herself.
Plus, did you know that Emma was not a palindrome? Tune in for THAT funny moment Katie and Jenna share, and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shondaland Audio in
partnership with iHeartRadio. Do you have the necklace on? There's
like a custom bubble necklace that has Emma on it.
Can I see it?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh, Jenna, I never thought i'd be that woman. I
am that mom.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Such a beautiful name.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It's also what does it mean when it's backwards and forwards?
It's the same?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh, palindrome?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Palindrome? Oh god, you get how many actors does it
take to get together and figure that out?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I know, but it's not a palindrome. It's Emma, Emma,
It's not Oh m.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Hello, everybody, Welcome back to Katie's Crib. Today, I get
to sit down with a friend who I have not
seen in forever and who I adore, and I want
to talk all about her motherhood journey with.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We go way back.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We even played the same role in Waitress, the Broadway musical.
We both played down. She played don way ahead of me,
and she's far more talented than I am, especially when
it comes to musicals. I adore her. Look up to her.
She inspires me. She's a wonderful human being. And I
(01:24):
am talking about the one and only Jenna Ushkowitz. She
is actress and singer known for her role as Tina
Cohen Chang on the Fox musical comedy drama series Glee.
I was a huge Glee fan. She received a Grammy
Award nomination for that. She is also known for her
performances in two Broadway musicals See I Already Told You See.
If I only been in one, she's been in two.
(01:44):
She was in The King and I and Waitress. She
is a two time Tony Award winner for her work
as producer of the Broadway musical Once on This Island
and the Broadway play The Inheritance. And In twenty nineteen,
Jenna and her former Glee costar Kevin McHale launched a
Glee rewatch podcast called Show oh Man's that Adam Shapiro
and I had the benefit of being guests on. The
(02:04):
show went on hiatus in July twenty twenty following the
passing of co Star and Nya Rivera, but in September
twenty twenty two, Kevin and Jenna announced their new rewatch podcast,
Endeavor and That's what You Really Missed on iHeartRadio. Jenna
married her longtime love David Stanley, who I adore on
July twenty fourth of twenty twenty one, and together they
(02:25):
have their daughter, Emma. Jenna, Welcome to Katie's crib. You're
so impressive. Oh stop, no, like truly, I can't believe
how many things you're doing. And I really want to
hear what has stuck and what has fallen apart?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes, yes, yes, all of it, but let it be known.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I Oh god, this why Instagram is so fucking fucked up,
because I feel like I've seen you a lot. But
that's sad because I actually haven't. Right in real life.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Right, you feel like you know what's going on, but
I haven't seen you two three years, three years.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So Jenna Aushwitz is an incredible, incredible talent, far more
talented than I've ever been. And I am so lucky
to say to Jenna anytime I have my theater company
and I'm like, please, will you come sing for something?
And three years ago she agreed to come sing. We
did a duet of the hardest song in the history
of the world to sing, which is when he sees
Me the Dawn solo, which Jenna played years before I played,
(03:27):
and you were the person I called actually when I
got waitress, and I was like, is it really hard?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And you were like, yeah, yeah, I was not about
to sugarcoat this morning. No.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You were like, it's the most prop work and pouring
and waitressing and coffees and pies and ordering that you'll
ever do in your life. But wait, at this I
am event. I asked you to come sing. We both
sang a duet of when He Sees Me. That was
March eleventh of twenty twenty, and shutdown was March thirteenth
of twenty twenty, and I met your incredible boyfriend. At
the time, Stanley, you were not yet engaged, you were
(04:03):
not yet married, you were not yet pregnant, and now
you have a baby girl. And that night I was
drunk and I was overstepping my boundaries and I was
saying to David Stanley and you. I was saying him,
you better fucking marry this girl right now because she
is the catch of a lifetime and get pregnant and
just get this all happening. Is this your memory of this?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I don't remember that part. That may have been you
cornered him and I wasn't a part of it. I
think I did he did shortly listen after that, but
I thought the pandemic was gonna mess it all up.
Of course, you know, you're like, my plans are all
fucked up.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
When did you get engaged?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
July thirty first of twenty twenty. We got engaged because
we got married on July twenty fourth of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Wow, did you have to do any like last minute
changes of the wedding because of like COVID shit or
was it? No?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Honestly, we had to plan for it because we were
planning before the vaccination even rolled out, So we were
just like, we don't know, we're gonna plan We're going
to do an outdoor event so that we know that
like at least some people could come, even if it's
just family.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, and feel comfortable more comfortable, right Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But then luckily, as the vaccine started rolling out was
when we were getting into the thick of wedding planning, right,
And then by July, it was the week we got married,
was the week that delta started and people were starting
to remask and we were like, oh God, this isn't
going to happen, and it was terrifying.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And since then, how old is your daughter at this.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Point she's nine months old. Oh my god, I know,
I know, I know. It happened so fast.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
As soon as you got pregnant. Yeah, at what point
did the plan go haywire and you learn that you
can't plan this.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
The day I got pregnant. No, I got pregnant very quickly,
very lucky, and I had a really great pregnancy. I did.
I was very lucky also at that I was able
to stay active and like feel I felt pretty good.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Oh honey, I saw you were bouncing on that fucking
trampoline to Yeah. No, I mean you would know. You
know Glee. You've been dancing and moving your body and
musical theater for one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Most doctors say, whatever you did before pregnancy, you can
do the whole time. It's for sure. Much body, your
bodywhere to know? Did it feel so different during your
pregnancy working out in that capacity?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah? I did. It started to I started to slow down.
I started to feel my weight, especially on a trampoline
when you're kind of like a foot off the floor.
You you know, I felt weightless when I was not pregnant,
and when I'm doing it, I don't feel like i'm
gonna fall off. I feel very balanced. But when I
started get pregnant, you know, your brain goes well, Number one,
am I doing something that's gonna mess this up? Am
(06:57):
I hurting her in some way? Am I hurting myself?
And anyway? And I am I a risk for falling?
And my doctor probably if she saw what I did,
would probably be like, don't do that. But I did
it anyway. But the planning, like of all of it
was like you can't plan for me, you know. I
was like, I'm gonna bounce all the way through my pregnancy.
I stopped at six months. Like at that point it
(07:19):
started to feel like I started to get ligament pain
and it started to not feel good anymore. And that's
when I was like, okay, done, Like moving on.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, then what did you do? What did you find
your body?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Leaned into Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Sculpting, lots of sculpting, lots of like lunges and leg
because my heart rate would still go with that and
I need that for a good sweat and yoga. Towards
the end, I would do ten minutes of yoga a day.
That was it, Like, you know, it looked like I
was probably moving a lot more on Instagram, but I
that was it and then I would lay on the
couch for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Tell me about that postpartum.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Mmm mm hmm, Well, I had a C section, so
it was a little different. I really waited until like
ten twelve weeks to even get on it, just to
save my body. I was not about to do that
and like make things worse. It's fine, funnily enough, if
I'm doing jumping jacks on the floor, I'll pee. If
(08:12):
I'm on a trampoline, I won't, so that too much impact.
I think, yeah that you can tell how much impact
that the trampoline takes over the floor. I will tell you, though.
I got pregnant right after my wedding, so I was
at wedding late when I got pregnant, which was like
a gift for me because I started when I was
a little bit smaller than I normally am. Afterwards, it's
(08:36):
like imagining trying to I'm not and I'm not trying
to get back to the place where you began, which
I think is insane to beget trying to get back
to my wedding weight. Are you joking? Unattainable?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I don't even know what my wedding weight was but
I sure, shit, I'm never going to see that.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No. God, No, Like I'm glad. I have a lot
of photos, but my stamina has been really frustrating. It's
been really hard to get back there. My body is different,
my time and my energy is different.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Wow. I mean, God, you just feel like so healthy
to be. God, I'm just a fucking disaster. How is
your postpartum experience when you brought her home?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
My husband was able to take six weeks off. David
Stanley took six weeks off. It was awesome. He understood
his role at that point. He understood it was like
he takes care of me, I take care of her
in that respect. It was really wonderful to have the help.
I didn't have to panic like what am I going
to do when he goes back to work, which one
he did. It felt like all my limbs had been
(09:42):
cut off. But what did you do?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Did you have help?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
No? We had a postpartum, amazing postpartum doulah that came,
but she was only coming like she came for that
first like four weeks and then we kind of we
stopped working with her and I took off work. So
I just it was just me and her for like
four weeks, which was crazy. It was really crazy. It's special,
(10:07):
but it was crazy. Breastfeeding was the hardest thing about
it all, and it was because nobody had warned me,
like how big mite it would get, how like enlarged,
how how much it was gonna hurt, how often she
would have to feed, How I'd be leaking literally everywhere,
(10:28):
Like the kind of clothes I would have to wear
or be comfortable in or not comfortable. I had this
crazy postpartum rash all over my stomach. Wow, you know,
I miss all of this. Honestly, it was pretty chill.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
No, but I do think breastfeeding is really like until
like now that you've done it for nine months, some
think about it. It's in such a routine and like
your boobs have everything has sort of understands what its
job is and it makes what's required, and you're like
good exactly, But the first beginning, that is breastfeeding until
your body and your mind and your hormones like understand
(11:05):
you're either overproducing or underproducing, and you're engorged, or you're empty,
or you're leaking, or you're in pain, and until your
nipples get used to it. You're a fucking disaster, and
like it's bad.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Nobody teaches you how to pump. Nobody teaches you like
they have amazing lactationian consultants that are like, feed this
way or showed this way. But like what if she
doesn't on the next day, doesn't want to feed that way,
or she's crying because she's like, I refuse this boob,
but I'll take this boob. And you're like, I don't
know what you want. I don't know how to help you,
but I know you want to eat. Like it's so
in frustrating and like.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Hard hard, It's unbelievable. It's the hardest thing. It's one
of the hardest things I've ever done in my inte.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yes, yes, shocking, shocking.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Have you been introducing Emma to members of your Glee family,
especially Kevin Mikhail? Like do you remember how they met?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Oh? Yeah, so Kevin came over very early on. We
were very private, we were very small, obviously with COVID
and RSV and all the things going around. We kept
it really tight. But of course Kevin was able to
come over and meet her. He went on a trip.
He was all over the place, and he was like,
I need two weeks and then I'll be there. He's like,
I'm not coming near you until, like I've been out
(12:14):
of the quarantine. Darren and I did an I heeart
event for our podcast and he came and we were
at the iHeart Theater and he brought his daughter and
I brought Emma and so they got to meet, which
is so cute. It's so crazy, like we're all having
children now. Like Heather Morris obviously was ahead of the curve.
She has two boys that are like fully grown. But
(12:35):
you know some of us like beck At Tobin too,
who's in Austin. They haven't met yet either, but they
were all around the same age, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean, you're just children having children, you're just high
school actor.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, no. Half the Gleek cast was at
my baby shower.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I also know before you had your baby, you have
your dog Bear?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Right? Oh yeah, sweet Bear?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
How is bear introduction to Emma? Like every person I
talked to is like, no, it's not gonna happen to me.
The dog is not going to turn into number.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Two one thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And has it happened? And how do you feel, oh
he's number seven now. It's so sad. It's the saddest thing.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I was thinking about it this morning because he's an
old man, he's nine. He was a part of my
life and he was my number one even up until
I met David. He was still my number one after David,
let's be real. But like you know, but he he
got persnickety and he got really upset that he became
number two, number three. His house changed, like there's lots
(13:38):
of changes that happened all at once. They don't really
interact very much, just because like it's not worth the
chance anything could happen. But not that bears like a
vicious dog. But you know I've heard stories. You want
to set everybody up for success.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Right, Yes, no, they so you keep them separate. They
have separate play areas.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, and he goes to daycare, he plays with his friends,
and you know, we try to like set it so
that everybody's happy. But I wasn't worried about it. And
then it actually became I was like, oh, he really
is my number three, Like that's just he becomes much
more of a dog than a child.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I know. It's for people listening who are pregnant right
now and have their pets, and they can't imagine it
just happens. I mean, it's just so all consuming, like
being a parent is just you just don't Does bear
sleep in your bed? No?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
He You know, it's funny, while I was pregnant, he
started sleeping on the floor by him, on his own.
It was almost like he knew he was training himself.
Almost so sad.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Did you do any of those things like bring home
the bloody towel from the hospital so that he smells it.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I don't think that would have changed anything.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Oh I did that, bullshit, It did nothing. My dog
still aided my children, and the dog still became number seven.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Sadly, I don't think it would have changed anything. It's
not like he was like, oh, this thing came in
and that's it. Like it was over time that I
saw him go, like he peees all over our rug.
Now he's mad.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Oh, he's so so mad.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
He's so mad.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
What are you going to do about that? Whatever, You'll
get a new rug.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
No exactly, you put bankings one on, you figure it out.
Like we're in the midst of actually just trying to
figure out how to make him feel more involved. And
you know now that like Emma's a little bit older,
Like you know, at night when she goes to sleep,
we try to hang out him. He's like, whatever, I
don't really want to be near you guys.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Anyways, Oh my god, it's so crazy. It's such a
wild transition.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
What's the one thing off your registry you couldn't live without?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
The duna.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
The duna didn't exist when I had Albie. Oh why duna?
I know, but it existed for Verra and I had
it for Vera and it was unbelievable for all of
you listening. The duna is an insanely expensive so I
have everyone pitchin to get it for you together as
a group gift. Most used item it's a car seat
that plops into a stroller. It's a convertible car seat stroller,
(16:03):
which doesn't exist otherwise.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's really heavenly because she never liked being strapped in,
like the motions of being strapped in, and so the
less amount of times I had to do that, you're like,
thank goodness, But yeah, the amount of stuff that she
just didn't use, we didn't you know, you don't know
until you know.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeh, Wait, do you have the necklace on? There's like
a custom bubble necklace that has Emma on it. Can
I see it?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah? People call me em all the time, like, how's
your day going, Emma?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Did you do you love wearing that to publicly display
her name? And also how did you pick her name?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I would wear a million things. I have a million
necklaces at XAM. I would wear them all at the
same time if I could, Oh, Jena, I never thought
I'd be that woman. I am that mom.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
You should be.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You're so proud of her and proud of her, even
proud that you did it and you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yes, it's funny though you just like I'm like, I'm
not going to be playing to the stereotypes of all
this stuff. I am that woman. I take every photo.
I save everything, Like I take the month photos with
Etsy numbers with the month, and I put in the
calendar time to take Emma's photo. And I have chat books,
which is this amazing app that, like I this is
(17:11):
not an ad, you drop photos in for every month,
So every month you get a book that's sent to
you with printed photos, and then you have her first
year like all done.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Good Lord, I've done nothing. Also, by the way, when
she starts talking someone I am so envious of, and
I again, I don't do anything. I don't save anything
they write down when she starts to talk, like make
a journal of anything funny that she's that's cool sentence
or a word that she constantly messes up, because I'm
forgetting them now and I wish I had written them down,
(17:42):
like the little you.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Know, yeah yeah, ambulance or whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Alby said, fucking set a truck for like a year.
It was a gift for everybody. It was such a gift.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
That's so funny. Wait, so okay, So we picked Edma
because yes, tell me why. We had the baby names
app where you like swipe like a like a dating app,
because we could not think of a freaking name. I
mean we could not think of a name. This is
even before we had conceived. We were talking about it.
So there were girl names and boy names. We were
both hoping for a girl. So we got our girl
(18:12):
and we're you know, swiping swiping, couldn't find anything. And
there were like two other names I can't remember. I
don't even remember them now. Emma came up and we
were like, I like Emma, and we like. You know,
you don't realize how many people you hate until you
were looking for a baby name. You're like Nicole hater.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah right yeah sure sure, sure,
everyone brings up somebody you like.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It reminds me of ex girl friend can't date, you know, Like,
so Emma was somebody was well liked. David wanted some
kind of historical feeling background, anything Emma Lazarus who wrote
the poem on the Statue of Liberty. Oh, no way, yeah,
something Lazarus. And then there's also Emma Goldman, who was
(18:54):
also from history. And I was like, I know this
because of Ragtime.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
But for me it was that her name means universal
and it means whole, and I you know, she like
completes our family in some way, and so I really
liked it. You know, the names come and go, trends
come and go, but Emma is a very popular name,
and everywhere return there's an Emma.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But it's so good, it's so great. It's just a
beautiful name.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
It's also what does it mean when it's backwards and forwards?
It's the same.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Oh? Any a gram edniogram. No, no, no, no, that's
a test.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
For your personality.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
This this is going to show how stupid I actually
know me. You know, it's the same as palindrome.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Palindrome? Oh god, you get how many actors does it
take to get together and figure that out?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I know, but it's not a palindrome. It's Emma E
m m a. It's not as m.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Not you, guys.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I am so working on brain fumes.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I am.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
This is honestly one of.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
The funniest ones I've had on this podcast. I'm, for
some reason thinking Emma is like e m m E.
Like why am I thinking that? I have no idea.
I was in Mexico City all weekend with my fucking
husband for his birthday.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
There's no excuse for stupid. I don't even need to
tell you why.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I'm just stupid. No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I'm also hosting the scandal Rewatch podcast and we're talking
about Abraham Lincoln and I was like, you know, Abraham
Lincoln in seventeen seventy six, Like.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
What am I?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
You know, what, give me a job. I'm not capable
anymore of talking.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I would do that too.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
It's okay, someone just shut down the mic and get
me out of here so that I can save myself.
So everyone, Emma is not a palindrome. Okay, so I
(21:33):
know that you take Emma's photos in the one month,
two month, three month blah blah blah. You also have
started the kind of tradition of sharing photos of Emma
wearing really cute bottom turkey design for Thanksgiving, Valentine's Day
a dradal Is this like another thing?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
It's an accident. It was an accident. It's actually an
accident because I buy them because I think they're cute, right,
I like that to have a little holiday, like first holiday,
and the shirts usually say like my first balentines Day,
my first Thanksgiving. Carter's has them, like they're easy to
buy and whatever. Because I've chosen not to show her
face on social media, this was a way for me
(22:11):
to celebrate the holidays without like a family photo. People
know what the holiday is. And then I took a
photover a butt and because you can't see it, and
I was like, oh, this is perfect. And so then
I had them and I was like, oh, I guess
I'll just post this for the holiday. Oh I guess
I'll just post this for the holiday, and it just happened,
and now I'm stuck, and now I have to do
(22:31):
it now, now you already.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Taking pictures of her butt in different things for the
end of time. So you're you had a great pregnancy,
you enjoyed being pregnant.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I did. I really didn't think I was going to
have a good pregnancy for some reason. I just thought,
like because of how active I am and like how
I like control of my body. Like, but my pregnancy
was really great. She was really small, and so I
stayed pretty small the whole time, which was kind of frustrating.
When people are like, you don't even look pregnant, You're like, well, bitch,
(23:01):
I am like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like I
still feel like shit, it might not look it, yes, exactly,
but she at week thirty two. I think it's when
they're like, okay, you're thirty two weeks on agro. I'm like,
you know, ultrasound, she'll flip, She'll flip. Don't worry, she'll flip.
Everybody's like, my baby didn't flip till thirty eight weeks.
(23:22):
Like she'll flip, don't worry, sh'll flip thirty five weeks
thirty six weeks, thirty seven, thirty six weeks was my
doctor's like, okay, so we're gonna schedule a see section
just in case she's probably gonna flip. But if she doesn't,
it's okay. You might want to try spinning babies. Get
upside down on the couch. You know, half your body
you go down. I'm like, great, I'll do that. I
got in a pool. It was summer. I did handstands.
(23:43):
I went in for massages, and by week thirty six,
thirty six and a half, I said, you know what,
this girl's not turning. I'm gonna stop going to massages.
I'm gonna stop trying to move her. They had scheduled
me and ECV. That was basically where they is it EVC,
EVC or ECV. I think it's ECV where they exactly
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that's right. It's a pound drum. Don't worry. ECVE where
they manually turned this baby. And I was like, I
don't think I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh God, that sounds horrible. I've never even heard of that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's only fifty percent successful. It sounds sometimes that hurts
like a bitch. Sometimes it doesn't. I was like, you
know it's done good. So I said, look, she's stubborn,
she's not moving. This is how she's coming. I'm going
to enjoy this last week. I'm like, if she turns, great,
but I'm not pushing it anymore. So at thirty seven weeks,
(24:41):
five days, we walked into Cedars. We checked in at twelve.
I had gotten a blowout, I got my nails done.
By twelve forty seven, that baby was born.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Wow, Genma, was it? Were you afraid? Had you ever
had surgery before? Were you afraid? You felt?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I wasn't a freighted to like gone on the table
like I was fine. I had talked to my friend
who took me through every step of what the C
section one was gonna be. Like, it helped immensely.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You and I are the same. It's like, give me
more information, give me all the information totally, and I
know it. I feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And then I'm sitting down on the table and they're
gonna put the spinal in you know where they numb
your whole body, and they're like, okay, we're gonna let
you down before you lose feeling in your body. And
then they're like, okay, so feel the shoulder. You can
feel that, right, you're not numb, there can Now we're
gonna feel your stomach. Does that feel the same, And
I'm like I don't know. They're like you don't know,
and I was like I kind of feel it, and
they're like, okay, we're gonna do it again. And they
(25:37):
did it again and like this is cold? Does that
feel cold? I'm like kind of and they're like okay.
And I think that was my brain going like, don't
let them do it unless you're sure, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yes, sure, sure, sure, sure, Like I don't want to
feel anything exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You're depending on my feeling to tell me if you're
ready to like cut into my body. So then they're like, okay,
we're gonna use it with like a pin or like
a poker, and they poked me and then I was like,
oh yeah, I don't feel that, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Okay, great, oh good goods.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It was weird as hell, but honestly, like at that point,
she's coming and that's all that you have in your mind.
Within twenty minutes, she was out and I was sow
enough and we were we were hanging Oh.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
My god, how was the recovery? Was it brutal, No,
it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
But I also didn't really move that much. We slept
in our guest room downstairs. We didn't do go upstairs.
Like I really listened and I got ahead of the
pay and I took them as like I was supposed
to do. I really rested and like I'd like to
you know, I wish I had a better story to be,
Like God, it was so hard.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And like all this, No, no, I love this. I
talk about this all the time, where like I run
up to pregnant men and I'm like, it's gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Do you run up to pregnant people.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
All the time? On Instagram, you posted about your first
day away from Emma and getting back to work because
I know you. I think you were doing like a
photo shoot our podcast for your new rewatch podcast called
and that's what you really miss Thanks for the pug.
Oh my god, everybody listen. Every everybody do everything jennash
(27:17):
describe like going back to work.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Oh yeah, we have the most amazing nanny. She loves
Emma like that to me as a mom is the
most important thing is like he worked with my husband
works in nine to five, Like I have a very
erratic schedule. Luckily, right now I can be home a lot.
But to have somebody else that she can attach to,
that she knows that she loves is like the deepest
(27:45):
form of like trust and like security that you could have.
So I feel very lucky that we have that available
for us and that Emma can have her. My work
schedule is really easy actually right now, like a lot
of it is zoomys and lots of in podcasting from home,
so I'm able to do that. My priorities have shifted,
(28:06):
and that's okay. Like I don't know when the next
like job job I want is, and that's okay too.
I think I might have to come to me and
then I might have to consider, like does this feel right?
But in terms of like events and things. Number one,
I can't really leave at certain hours because I know
she has to eat at that time. That's crazy. But
(28:27):
also like I'm just embracing it. I'm like, great, I
can't be there at one thirty, So sorry I can't
be at your event. Thanks so much. That's just the
way it is, right, Yeah, It's just.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It's not going to be forever, and it is going
to be a really short amount of time and also
your priorities.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
They do shift mmm for work, It's like it's hard.
Like the day that I posted about, I was like,
I feel empowered. I'm driving to work on by myself.
I'm able to listen to a pod like a true
crime because I'm not going to listen to true crime
around her. But like you know, like you're just on
your own. You're like, this is empowering, like I can
do I can do this. And then I got home
(29:02):
to learn she hadn't taken a bottle from ten to four,
and that is devastating. It's just you walk in the
door and go, excuse me, and I'm like, I'm glad
she didn't tell me in some way because I would
have rushed home like I would have went, I have
to leave. And that's hard because you're just like what
do you do? What do you do? So it was
really a tough experience and it was a learning experience.
(29:25):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
While you were there, you were really enjoying it. And
then when I got old, you felt was it your
first like did you feel mom guilt or what did
you feel?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I felt all of it. I felt bad that I
was enjoying I enjoyed it. I felt bad that she
didn't eat because I wasn't there. Like main thing is like,
oh God, she didn't need and like that's my fault. Right,
You're like, oh my god, and that's devastating. You're like, oh,
does that mess up her whole night too? Like if
she doesn't eat all day, she's gonna be awake all night.
(29:55):
I'm awake all night. Then that sucks. Like it's a
lot of you know, like I know in my brain
like it's not my fault and like it's okay to
feel this way and like that's not the case. And
I think that's part of why, like I am a
bible to reason with myself and go like it's okay
if one day is off, it's okay. If this is
(30:15):
you know, you know whatever, if her nap doesn't go well,
like whatever it is. I think that's the biggest like
shift for like the control of like you know, she
goes to bed at one and three and said, like
she doesn't you know, she sleeps for thirty minutes. She
sleep for thirty minutes, Like whatever, it's.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Right, right, I know. I feel like us type A
people are so like people texting with other actors, like
it's the seven eleven one four seven, and then like
you know, you're like this nap, this nap, and oh god,
it's so I was so all over that shit with Albie.
And then my second I'm just like I don't. Yeah,
(30:59):
is there anything you want to teach Emma that you
felt you missed in your own upbringing?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Oh my god, that's really deep, Katie. You just took
a turn. I think the biggest thing that I didn't
learn until I was a little bit older was true
like self worth, self love, body positivity, or like not
(31:23):
talking badly about my body about myself in front of her.
Like they absorb so much of what we do and
what we say and how we do it. If I
don't check myself, what is she gonna do? She's gonna
emulate her mother. So like I don't want to say, like,
oh I can't have that piece of pizza tonight, Like
you know I'm being good, I'm being bad the good
(31:46):
bad around especially around food. I don't want to reward
her with food and treats and things, and like not
saying that my parents did that all the time. But
there's definitely something that we are learning now in our
day and age of like how caids you know, see
food and themselves and their self worth and their self love.
So that to me is really important, not saying that
(32:07):
I didn't get that, but you know.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But no, but you're going to be putting attention in.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, it's really like.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, just like making it an intentional choice. You recently
wrote and narrated a bedtime story called Emma you Can
Be Anything Yeah with Storybook, which is an app that
provides bedtime stories, infant massage, and meditations for kids. Why
did you choose to write this story? How was creating
the story based on your experiences raising Emma?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Oh my gosh, it was amazing. They have an amazing
team of writers. They are so family forward. They are
wonderful people who have created this app for mothers and
parents and grandparents and whomever. So the app is really great.
When they've said, like, we'd love to create a story
for you for Emma like number one, just to have
that for her to listen to and hear hear my.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Voice, incredible. I'm sitting here being like, how do I
do that?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You can do it?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I want to do that. You should?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
They you should? I will put you in touch with them.
They are amazing and they honestly, we just talked. We
talked about the things that were important, the things that
the way I was raising her, the idea that for
me being put into acting as a child and experiencing that.
I want her to know that she can do anything.
(33:27):
Whatever it is that she wants. I will support her
however she wants to go about it. If she wants
to change, you know, that's fine. Like just supporting her
and giving her the chance to choose and to do
things and to try things. And you don't have to
be just one thing. The theme of the obviously the
poem is like you can be anything. But she I
(33:48):
put her in dance class because she's dancing, and then
one day she decides she doesn't want to anymore. And
I'm like, great, you don't have to try this.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
What do you want to do?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You know that the options are there that she doesn't
have to live through me, she can live through herself.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Oh that's so beautiful, John, What advice would you like
to give your daughter if she gets closer to her
one year milestone birthday?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
That's why.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
She's gonna be one that it's gonna happen in like
one second. It's so close around the corner.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It's amazing and devastating at the same time.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Oh my gosh, it's devastating. It goes by too quickly. Yeah, right,
But also it's such a huge pat on your shoulders.
I think the one year birthday is honestly far more
for the mom than it is Frue.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I told David, I was like, we're getting a bartender.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, what advice would
you give her? Got it?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
One? It's okay to feel, it's okay to be, it's
okay to want, like, you know, all these things that
she's learning around her. It's amazing to see the world
through her eyes, to go through life like that. Like,
I would want her to hold on to that as
(35:06):
long as she can, to hang on to the idea
that like fresh eyed, like bright eyed, bushy tailed thing
that we get so jaded along the way. I hope
she can hold onto that as long as she possibly can.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Oh, am, Emma, finish this sentence. Parenthood is.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Wild. That's when we haven't had yet.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Oh really, No, wild is great, And I agree with you,
and I think you're doing such a great job. I
mean the fact that you even look together, like you've
like I have a lot of help.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Let's be real here, No.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
It doesn't even matter. I mean I was like so
out of my mind. I feel like I did waitress
when Albie was seven months old at a full time
crying every day all night.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Like I was like, so did you say, were you
sad they missed bedtime every night? Because I think about
taking a job like that, and you're like, how do
you miss that moment every day? You're like.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Because it was too new. I mean when you're a
first time mom and your baby is so young, like
it's really new and hard, and even though you feel
like like you said this secret pressure of like I
should be okay, like the baby's nine months old, the
baby's eight months old, like I should have my shit together,
like I should have my body back and my brain
back and my my hutzba back to like go, but
(36:33):
like it really take took me like two years. I'm
not kidding, and it's okay. I still function.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I'm sure you did, broad like, but people don't. I
think people also, like you see and then people forget,
like they come see the baby at four months and
it's so tiny and everything is still you're in postpartum.
And then once you're like out of that six months,
people are like, you got a kid, You're good.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
You know, like, no, it's not that enough, and it's
not that because then they have a sleep regression, and
then there we're introducing food, and then we're introducing like walking,
and their body has a reaction and you're dealing with
first fevers and first colds and you're not good at
that yet because you're scared because you've never done it before,
and you're how was her first cold?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh, it's terrible. It's terrible. Her sleep got messed up.
She's nodding. She doesn't like me rubbing her nose. She
hates them bullb she can't breathe.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
It's I hope that we get boogie wipes to sponsor
this pot godless I use them every Yeah, hey, boogie wipes.
If you're listening, we're all loving boogies. Hello, send us
some for free. What the hell I'm living in boogie
wipes over here for those of you listening. In boogie
wipes or like a wipe, but they have like some
aloe on them and they're just made for like and
saline and they're just meant to wipe babies noses. We
(37:50):
were loves, not sucker or any of these things.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
You call us Hello.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Is there anything that I forgot to ask you or
you wanted to talk about that we have not yet mention?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
No, you really fit a lot into her an hour.
I'm very impressed. I'm truly impressed.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
And we even got the biggest laugh that I've ever
had on this podcast. I'm not kidding. I will remember
that like until the end of time. Everyone listening. The
point of today's podcast is that Emma is not a palindrome.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I am not well.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So I left my husband for the first I left
my No, I didn't see guys, I did damage. My
brain is not well. Okay, Jenna Ashkowitz everyone, you're the greatest,
the best. I need to have you on the podcast
again before it turns two. Yeah, because I would like
to hear about the next year of her life, all
the changes and lessons and traditions and new journeys we
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have had in this wonderful journey we are on. I
adore you you almost birthday to you, bitch, to you,
Thanks Katie, thank you everybody for listening. If you have
any thoughts, questions, comments, you know I always love to
(39:12):
hear from you. You can always contact me at Katie'scrib
at shondaland dot com.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I tried. I love you, Katie. That was so fun.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
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Welcome to Katie's Crib, a production of Shondaland Audio in
partnership with iHeartRadio. Do you have the necklace on? There's
like a custom bubble necklace that has Emma on it.
Can I see it?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Oh, Jenna, I never thought i'd be that woman. I
am that mom.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Such a beautiful name.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
It's also what does it mean when it's backwards and forwards?
It's the same?
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Oh, palindrome?
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Palindrome? Oh god, you get how many actors does it
take to get together and figure that out?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I know, but it's not a palindrome. It's Emma, Emma,
It's not Oh m.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Hello, everybody, Welcome back to Katie's Crib. Today, I get
to sit down with a friend who I have not
seen in forever and who I adore, and I want
to talk all about her motherhood journey with.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
We go way back.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
We even played the same role in Waitress, the Broadway musical.
We both played down. She played don way ahead of me,
and she's far more talented than I am, especially when
it comes to musicals. I adore her. Look up to her.
She inspires me. She's a wonderful human being. And I
(01:24):
am talking about the one and only Jenna Ushkowitz. She
is actress and singer known for her role as Tina
Cohen Chang on the Fox musical comedy drama series Glee.
I was a huge Glee fan. She received a Grammy
Award nomination for that. She is also known for her
performances in two Broadway musicals See I Already Told You See.
If I only been in one, she's been in two.
(01:44):
She was in The King and I and Waitress. She
is a two time Tony Award winner for her work
as producer of the Broadway musical Once on This Island
and the Broadway play The Inheritance. And In twenty nineteen,
Jenna and her former Glee costar Kevin McHale launched a
Glee rewatch podcast called Show oh Man's that Adam Shapiro
and I had the benefit of being guests on. The
(02:04):
show went on hiatus in July twenty twenty following the
passing of co Star and Nya Rivera, but in September
twenty twenty two, Kevin and Jenna announced their new rewatch podcast,
Endeavor and That's what You Really Missed on iHeartRadio. Jenna
married her longtime love David Stanley, who I adore on
July twenty fourth of twenty twenty one, and together they
(02:25):
have their daughter, Emma. Jenna, Welcome to Katie's crib. You're
so impressive. Oh stop, no, like truly, I can't believe
how many things you're doing. And I really want to
hear what has stuck and what has fallen apart?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes, yes, yes, all of it, but let it be known.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
I Oh god, this why Instagram is so fucking fucked up,
because I feel like I've seen you a lot. But
that's sad because I actually haven't. Right in real life.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Right, you feel like you know what's going on, but
I haven't seen you two three years, three years.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
So Jenna Aushwitz is an incredible, incredible talent, far more
talented than I've ever been. And I am so lucky
to say to Jenna anytime I have my theater company
and I'm like, please, will you come sing for something?
And three years ago she agreed to come sing. We
did a duet of the hardest song in the history
of the world to sing, which is when he sees
Me the Dawn solo, which Jenna played years before I played,
(03:27):
and you were the person I called actually when I
got waitress, and I was like, is it really hard?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
And you were like, yeah, yeah, I was not about
to sugarcoat this morning. No.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
You were like, it's the most prop work and pouring
and waitressing and coffees and pies and ordering that you'll
ever do in your life. But wait, at this I
am event. I asked you to come sing. We both
sang a duet of when He Sees Me. That was
March eleventh of twenty twenty, and shutdown was March thirteenth
of twenty twenty, and I met your incredible boyfriend. At
the time, Stanley, you were not yet engaged, you were
(04:03):
not yet married, you were not yet pregnant, and now
you have a baby girl. And that night I was
drunk and I was overstepping my boundaries and I was
saying to David Stanley and you. I was saying him,
you better fucking marry this girl right now because she
is the catch of a lifetime and get pregnant and
just get this all happening. Is this your memory of this?
Speaker 2 (04:23):
I don't remember that part. That may have been you
cornered him and I wasn't a part of it. I
think I did he did shortly listen after that, but
I thought the pandemic was gonna mess it all up.
Of course, you know, you're like, my plans are all
fucked up.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
When did you get engaged?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
July thirty first of twenty twenty. We got engaged because
we got married on July twenty fourth of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Wow, did you have to do any like last minute
changes of the wedding because of like COVID shit or
was it? No?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Honestly, we had to plan for it because we were
planning before the vaccination even rolled out, So we were
just like, we don't know, we're gonna plan We're going
to do an outdoor event so that we know that
like at least some people could come, even if it's
just family.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yeah, and feel comfortable more comfortable, right Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
But then luckily, as the vaccine started rolling out was
when we were getting into the thick of wedding planning, right,
And then by July, it was the week we got married,
was the week that delta started and people were starting
to remask and we were like, oh God, this isn't
going to happen, and it was terrifying.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
And since then, how old is your daughter at this.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Point she's nine months old. Oh my god, I know,
I know, I know. It happened so fast.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
As soon as you got pregnant. Yeah, at what point
did the plan go haywire and you learn that you
can't plan this.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
The day I got pregnant. No, I got pregnant very quickly,
very lucky, and I had a really great pregnancy. I did.
I was very lucky also at that I was able
to stay active and like feel I felt pretty good.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Oh honey, I saw you were bouncing on that fucking
trampoline to Yeah. No, I mean you would know. You
know Glee. You've been dancing and moving your body and
musical theater for one hundred years.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
So yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Most doctors say, whatever you did before pregnancy, you can
do the whole time. It's for sure. Much body, your
bodywhere to know? Did it feel so different during your
pregnancy working out in that capacity?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah? I did. It started to I started to slow down.
I started to feel my weight, especially on a trampoline
when you're kind of like a foot off the floor.
You you know, I felt weightless when I was not pregnant,
and when I'm doing it, I don't feel like i'm
gonna fall off. I feel very balanced. But when I
started get pregnant, you know, your brain goes well, Number one,
am I doing something that's gonna mess this up? Am
(06:57):
I hurting her in some way? Am I hurting myself?
And anyway? And I am I a risk for falling?
And my doctor probably if she saw what I did,
would probably be like, don't do that. But I did
it anyway. But the planning, like of all of it
was like you can't plan for me, you know. I
was like, I'm gonna bounce all the way through my pregnancy.
I stopped at six months. Like at that point it
(07:19):
started to feel like I started to get ligament pain
and it started to not feel good anymore. And that's
when I was like, okay, done, Like moving on.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, then what did you do? What did you find
your body?
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Leaned into Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Sculpting, lots of sculpting, lots of like lunges and leg
because my heart rate would still go with that and
I need that for a good sweat and yoga. Towards
the end, I would do ten minutes of yoga a day.
That was it, Like, you know, it looked like I
was probably moving a lot more on Instagram, but I
that was it and then I would lay on the
couch for the rest of the day.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Tell me about that postpartum.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Mmm mm hmm, Well, I had a C section, so
it was a little different. I really waited until like
ten twelve weeks to even get on it, just to
save my body. I was not about to do that
and like make things worse. It's fine, funnily enough, if
I'm doing jumping jacks on the floor, I'll pee. If
(08:12):
I'm on a trampoline, I won't, so that too much impact.
I think, yeah that you can tell how much impact
that the trampoline takes over the floor. I will tell you, though.
I got pregnant right after my wedding, so I was
at wedding late when I got pregnant, which was like
a gift for me because I started when I was
a little bit smaller than I normally am. Afterwards, it's
(08:36):
like imagining trying to I'm not and I'm not trying
to get back to the place where you began, which
I think is insane to beget trying to get back
to my wedding weight. Are you joking? Unattainable?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
I don't even know what my wedding weight was but
I sure, shit, I'm never going to see that.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
No. God, No, Like I'm glad. I have a lot
of photos, but my stamina has been really frustrating. It's
been really hard to get back there. My body is different,
my time and my energy is different.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Wow. I mean, God, you just feel like so healthy
to be. God, I'm just a fucking disaster. How is
your postpartum experience when you brought her home?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
My husband was able to take six weeks off. David
Stanley took six weeks off. It was awesome. He understood
his role at that point. He understood it was like
he takes care of me, I take care of her
in that respect. It was really wonderful to have the help.
I didn't have to panic like what am I going
to do when he goes back to work, which one
he did. It felt like all my limbs had been
(09:42):
cut off. But what did you do?
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Did you have help?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
No? We had a postpartum, amazing postpartum doulah that came,
but she was only coming like she came for that
first like four weeks and then we kind of we
stopped working with her and I took off work. So
I just it was just me and her for like
four weeks, which was crazy. It was really crazy. It's special,
(10:07):
but it was crazy. Breastfeeding was the hardest thing about
it all, and it was because nobody had warned me,
like how big mite it would get, how like enlarged,
how how much it was gonna hurt, how often she
would have to feed, How I'd be leaking literally everywhere,
(10:28):
Like the kind of clothes I would have to wear
or be comfortable in or not comfortable. I had this
crazy postpartum rash all over my stomach. Wow, you know,
I miss all of this. Honestly, it was pretty chill.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
No, but I do think breastfeeding is really like until
like now that you've done it for nine months, some
think about it. It's in such a routine and like
your boobs have everything has sort of understands what its
job is and it makes what's required, and you're like
good exactly, But the first beginning, that is breastfeeding until
your body and your mind and your hormones like understand
(11:05):
you're either overproducing or underproducing, and you're engorged, or you're empty,
or you're leaking, or you're in pain, and until your
nipples get used to it. You're a fucking disaster, and
like it's bad.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Nobody teaches you how to pump. Nobody teaches you like
they have amazing lactationian consultants that are like, feed this
way or showed this way. But like what if she
doesn't on the next day, doesn't want to feed that way,
or she's crying because she's like, I refuse this boob,
but I'll take this boob. And you're like, I don't
know what you want. I don't know how to help you,
but I know you want to eat. Like it's so
in frustrating and like.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Hard hard, It's unbelievable. It's the hardest thing. It's one
of the hardest things I've ever done in my inte.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yes, yes, shocking, shocking.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Have you been introducing Emma to members of your Glee family,
especially Kevin Mikhail? Like do you remember how they met?
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Oh? Yeah, so Kevin came over very early on. We
were very private, we were very small, obviously with COVID
and RSV and all the things going around. We kept
it really tight. But of course Kevin was able to
come over and meet her. He went on a trip.
He was all over the place, and he was like,
I need two weeks and then I'll be there. He's like,
I'm not coming near you until, like I've been out
(12:14):
of the quarantine. Darren and I did an I heeart
event for our podcast and he came and we were
at the iHeart Theater and he brought his daughter and
I brought Emma and so they got to meet, which
is so cute. It's so crazy, like we're all having
children now. Like Heather Morris obviously was ahead of the curve.
She has two boys that are like fully grown. But
(12:35):
you know some of us like beck At Tobin too,
who's in Austin. They haven't met yet either, but they
were all around the same age, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I mean, you're just children having children, you're just high
school actor.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, no. Half the Gleek cast was at
my baby shower.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
I also know before you had your baby, you have
your dog Bear?
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Right? Oh yeah, sweet Bear?
Speaker 1 (12:59):
How is bear introduction to Emma? Like every person I
talked to is like, no, it's not gonna happen to me.
The dog is not going to turn into number.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Two one thousand percent.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
And has it happened? And how do you feel, oh
he's number seven now. It's so sad. It's the saddest thing.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I was thinking about it this morning because he's an
old man, he's nine. He was a part of my
life and he was my number one even up until
I met David. He was still my number one after David,
let's be real. But like you know, but he he
got persnickety and he got really upset that he became
number two, number three. His house changed, like there's lots
(13:38):
of changes that happened all at once. They don't really
interact very much, just because like it's not worth the
chance anything could happen. But not that bears like a
vicious dog. But you know I've heard stories. You want
to set everybody up for success.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Right, Yes, no, they so you keep them separate. They
have separate play areas.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Yeah, and he goes to daycare, he plays with his friends,
and you know, we try to like set it so
that everybody's happy. But I wasn't worried about it. And
then it actually became I was like, oh, he really
is my number three, Like that's just he becomes much
more of a dog than a child.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I know. It's for people listening who are pregnant right
now and have their pets, and they can't imagine it
just happens. I mean, it's just so all consuming, like
being a parent is just you just don't Does bear
sleep in your bed? No?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
He You know, it's funny, while I was pregnant, he
started sleeping on the floor by him, on his own.
It was almost like he knew he was training himself.
Almost so sad.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
Did you do any of those things like bring home
the bloody towel from the hospital so that he smells it.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I don't think that would have changed anything.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Oh I did that, bullshit, It did nothing. My dog
still aided my children, and the dog still became number seven.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Sadly, I don't think it would have changed anything. It's
not like he was like, oh, this thing came in
and that's it. Like it was over time that I
saw him go, like he peees all over our rug.
Now he's mad.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Oh, he's so so mad.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
He's so mad.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
What are you going to do about that? Whatever, You'll
get a new rug.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
No exactly, you put bankings one on, you figure it out.
Like we're in the midst of actually just trying to
figure out how to make him feel more involved. And
you know now that like Emma's a little bit older,
Like you know, at night when she goes to sleep,
we try to hang out him. He's like, whatever, I
don't really want to be near you guys.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Anyways, Oh my god, it's so crazy. It's such a
wild transition.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
What's the one thing off your registry you couldn't live without?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
The duna.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
The duna didn't exist when I had Albie. Oh why duna?
I know, but it existed for Verra and I had
it for Vera and it was unbelievable for all of
you listening. The duna is an insanely expensive so I
have everyone pitchin to get it for you together as
a group gift. Most used item it's a car seat
that plops into a stroller. It's a convertible car seat stroller,
(16:03):
which doesn't exist otherwise.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It's really heavenly because she never liked being strapped in,
like the motions of being strapped in, and so the
less amount of times I had to do that, you're like,
thank goodness, But yeah, the amount of stuff that she
just didn't use, we didn't you know, you don't know
until you know.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeh, Wait, do you have the necklace on? There's like
a custom bubble necklace that has Emma on it. Can
I see it?
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah? People call me em all the time, like, how's
your day going, Emma?
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Did you do you love wearing that to publicly display
her name? And also how did you pick her name?
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I would wear a million things. I have a million
necklaces at XAM. I would wear them all at the
same time if I could, Oh, Jena, I never thought
I'd be that woman. I am that mom.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
You should be.
Speaker 4 (16:47):
You're so proud of her and proud of her, even
proud that you did it and you're doing it.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yes, it's funny though you just like I'm like, I'm
not going to be playing to the stereotypes of all
this stuff. I am that woman. I take every photo.
I save everything, Like I take the month photos with
Etsy numbers with the month, and I put in the
calendar time to take Emma's photo. And I have chat books,
which is this amazing app that, like I this is
(17:11):
not an ad, you drop photos in for every month,
So every month you get a book that's sent to
you with printed photos, and then you have her first
year like all done.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Good Lord, I've done nothing. Also, by the way, when
she starts talking someone I am so envious of, and
I again, I don't do anything. I don't save anything
they write down when she starts to talk, like make
a journal of anything funny that she's that's cool sentence
or a word that she constantly messes up, because I'm
forgetting them now and I wish I had written them down,
(17:42):
like the little you.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Know, yeah yeah, ambulance or whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
Alby said, fucking set a truck for like a year.
It was a gift for everybody. It was such a gift.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
That's so funny. Wait, so okay, So we picked Edma
because yes, tell me why. We had the baby names
app where you like swipe like a like a dating app,
because we could not think of a freaking name. I
mean we could not think of a name. This is
even before we had conceived. We were talking about it.
So there were girl names and boy names. We were
both hoping for a girl. So we got our girl
(18:12):
and we're you know, swiping swiping, couldn't find anything. And
there were like two other names I can't remember. I
don't even remember them now. Emma came up and we
were like, I like Emma, and we like. You know,
you don't realize how many people you hate until you
were looking for a baby name. You're like Nicole hater.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah right yeah sure sure, sure,
everyone brings up somebody you like.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
It reminds me of ex girl friend can't date, you know, Like,
so Emma was somebody was well liked. David wanted some
kind of historical feeling background, anything Emma Lazarus who wrote
the poem on the Statue of Liberty. Oh, no way, yeah,
something Lazarus. And then there's also Emma Goldman, who was
(18:54):
also from history. And I was like, I know this
because of Ragtime.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
Yes, that's exactly right.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
But for me it was that her name means universal
and it means whole, and I you know, she like
completes our family in some way, and so I really
liked it. You know, the names come and go, trends
come and go, but Emma is a very popular name,
and everywhere return there's an Emma.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
But it's so good, it's so great. It's just a
beautiful name.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
It's also what does it mean when it's backwards and forwards?
It's the same.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Oh? Any a gram edniogram. No, no, no, no, that's
a test.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
For your personality.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
This this is going to show how stupid I actually
know me. You know, it's the same as palindrome.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Palindrome? Oh god, you get how many actors does it
take to get together and figure that out?
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I know, but it's not a palindrome. It's Emma E
m m a. It's not as m.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Not you, guys.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
I am so working on brain fumes.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I am.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
This is honestly one of.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
The funniest ones I've had on this podcast. I'm, for
some reason thinking Emma is like e m m E.
Like why am I thinking that? I have no idea.
I was in Mexico City all weekend with my fucking
husband for his birthday.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
There's no excuse for stupid. I don't even need to
tell you why.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
I'm just stupid. No, no, no.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I'm also hosting the scandal Rewatch podcast and we're talking
about Abraham Lincoln and I was like, you know, Abraham
Lincoln in seventeen seventy six, Like.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
What am I?
Speaker 2 (20:59):
Like?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
You know, what, give me a job. I'm not capable
anymore of talking.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
I would do that too.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
It's okay, someone just shut down the mic and get
me out of here so that I can save myself.
So everyone, Emma is not a palindrome. Okay, so I
(21:33):
know that you take Emma's photos in the one month,
two month, three month blah blah blah. You also have
started the kind of tradition of sharing photos of Emma
wearing really cute bottom turkey design for Thanksgiving, Valentine's Day
a dradal Is this like another thing?
Speaker 2 (21:47):
It's an accident. It was an accident. It's actually an
accident because I buy them because I think they're cute, right,
I like that to have a little holiday, like first holiday,
and the shirts usually say like my first balentines Day,
my first Thanksgiving. Carter's has them, like they're easy to
buy and whatever. Because I've chosen not to show her
face on social media, this was a way for me
(22:11):
to celebrate the holidays without like a family photo. People
know what the holiday is. And then I took a
photover a butt and because you can't see it, and
I was like, oh, this is perfect. And so then
I had them and I was like, oh, I guess
I'll just post this for the holiday. Oh I guess
I'll just post this for the holiday, and it just happened,
and now I'm stuck, and now I have to do
(22:31):
it now, now you already.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Taking pictures of her butt in different things for the
end of time. So you're you had a great pregnancy,
you enjoyed being pregnant.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I did. I really didn't think I was going to
have a good pregnancy for some reason. I just thought,
like because of how active I am and like how
I like control of my body. Like, but my pregnancy
was really great. She was really small, and so I
stayed pretty small the whole time, which was kind of frustrating.
When people are like, you don't even look pregnant, You're like, well, bitch,
(23:01):
I am like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're like I
still feel like shit, it might not look it, yes, exactly,
but she at week thirty two. I think it's when
they're like, okay, you're thirty two weeks on agro. I'm like,
you know, ultrasound, she'll flip, She'll flip. Don't worry, she'll flip.
Everybody's like, my baby didn't flip till thirty eight weeks.
(23:22):
Like she'll flip, don't worry, sh'll flip thirty five weeks
thirty six weeks, thirty seven, thirty six weeks was my
doctor's like, okay, so we're gonna schedule a see section
just in case she's probably gonna flip. But if she doesn't,
it's okay. You might want to try spinning babies. Get
upside down on the couch. You know, half your body
you go down. I'm like, great, I'll do that. I
got in a pool. It was summer. I did handstands.
(23:43):
I went in for massages, and by week thirty six,
thirty six and a half, I said, you know what,
this girl's not turning. I'm gonna stop going to massages.
I'm gonna stop trying to move her. They had scheduled
me and ECV. That was basically where they is it EVC,
EVC or ECV. I think it's ECV where they exactly
(24:07):
that's right. It's a pound drum. Don't worry. ECVE where
they manually turned this baby. And I was like, I
don't think I'm gonna do that.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Oh God, that sounds horrible. I've never even heard of that.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's only fifty percent successful. It sounds sometimes that hurts
like a bitch. Sometimes it doesn't. I was like, you
know it's done good. So I said, look, she's stubborn,
she's not moving. This is how she's coming. I'm going
to enjoy this last week. I'm like, if she turns, great,
but I'm not pushing it anymore. So at thirty seven weeks,
(24:41):
five days, we walked into Cedars. We checked in at twelve.
I had gotten a blowout, I got my nails done.
By twelve forty seven, that baby was born.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Wow, Genma, was it? Were you afraid? Had you ever
had surgery before? Were you afraid? You felt?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
I wasn't a freighted to like gone on the table
like I was fine. I had talked to my friend
who took me through every step of what the C
section one was gonna be. Like, it helped immensely.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
You and I are the same. It's like, give me
more information, give me all the information totally, and I
know it. I feel the same way.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
And then I'm sitting down on the table and they're
gonna put the spinal in you know where they numb
your whole body, and they're like, okay, we're gonna let
you down before you lose feeling in your body. And
then they're like, okay, so feel the shoulder. You can
feel that, right, you're not numb, there can Now we're
gonna feel your stomach. Does that feel the same, And
I'm like I don't know. They're like you don't know,
and I was like I kind of feel it, and
they're like, okay, we're gonna do it again. And they
(25:37):
did it again and like this is cold? Does that
feel cold? I'm like kind of and they're like okay.
And I think that was my brain going like, don't
let them do it unless you're sure, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yes, sure, sure, sure, sure, Like I don't want to
feel anything exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
You're depending on my feeling to tell me if you're
ready to like cut into my body. So then they're like, okay,
we're gonna use it with like a pin or like
a poker, and they poked me and then I was like,
oh yeah, I don't feel that, and I'm like.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Okay, great, oh good goods.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It was weird as hell, but honestly, like at that point,
she's coming and that's all that you have in your mind.
Within twenty minutes, she was out and I was sow
enough and we were we were hanging Oh.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
My god, how was the recovery? Was it brutal, No,
it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
But I also didn't really move that much. We slept
in our guest room downstairs. We didn't do go upstairs.
Like I really listened and I got ahead of the
pay and I took them as like I was supposed
to do. I really rested and like I'd like to
you know, I wish I had a better story to be,
Like God, it was so hard.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
And like all this, No, no, I love this. I
talk about this all the time, where like I run
up to pregnant men and I'm like, it's gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Do you run up to pregnant people.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
All the time? On Instagram, you posted about your first
day away from Emma and getting back to work because
I know you. I think you were doing like a
photo shoot our podcast for your new rewatch podcast called
and that's what you really miss Thanks for the pug.
Oh my god, everybody listen. Every everybody do everything jennash
(27:17):
describe like going back to work.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Oh yeah, we have the most amazing nanny. She loves
Emma like that to me as a mom is the
most important thing is like he worked with my husband
works in nine to five, Like I have a very
erratic schedule. Luckily, right now I can be home a lot.
But to have somebody else that she can attach to,
that she knows that she loves is like the deepest
(27:45):
form of like trust and like security that you could have.
So I feel very lucky that we have that available
for us and that Emma can have her. My work
schedule is really easy actually right now, like a lot
of it is zoomys and lots of in podcasting from home,
so I'm able to do that. My priorities have shifted,
(28:06):
and that's okay. Like I don't know when the next
like job job I want is, and that's okay too.
I think I might have to come to me and
then I might have to consider, like does this feel right?
But in terms of like events and things. Number one,
I can't really leave at certain hours because I know
she has to eat at that time. That's crazy. But
(28:27):
also like I'm just embracing it. I'm like, great, I
can't be there at one thirty, So sorry I can't
be at your event. Thanks so much. That's just the
way it is, right, Yeah, It's just.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
It's not going to be forever, and it is going
to be a really short amount of time and also
your priorities.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
They do shift mmm for work, It's like it's hard.
Like the day that I posted about, I was like,
I feel empowered. I'm driving to work on by myself.
I'm able to listen to a pod like a true
crime because I'm not going to listen to true crime
around her. But like you know, like you're just on
your own. You're like, this is empowering, like I can
do I can do this. And then I got home
(29:02):
to learn she hadn't taken a bottle from ten to four,
and that is devastating. It's just you walk in the
door and go, excuse me, and I'm like, I'm glad
she didn't tell me in some way because I would
have rushed home like I would have went, I have
to leave. And that's hard because you're just like what
do you do? What do you do? So it was
really a tough experience and it was a learning experience.
(29:25):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
While you were there, you were really enjoying it. And
then when I got old, you felt was it your
first like did you feel mom guilt or what did
you feel?
Speaker 2 (29:33):
I felt all of it. I felt bad that I
was enjoying I enjoyed it. I felt bad that she
didn't eat because I wasn't there. Like main thing is like,
oh God, she didn't need and like that's my fault. Right,
You're like, oh my god, and that's devastating. You're like, oh,
does that mess up her whole night too? Like if
she doesn't eat all day, she's gonna be awake all night.
(29:55):
I'm awake all night. Then that sucks. Like it's a
lot of you know, like I know in my brain
like it's not my fault and like it's okay to
feel this way and like that's not the case. And
I think that's part of why, like I am a
bible to reason with myself and go like it's okay
if one day is off, it's okay. If this is
(30:15):
you know, you know whatever, if her nap doesn't go well,
like whatever it is. I think that's the biggest like
shift for like the control of like you know, she
goes to bed at one and three and said, like
she doesn't you know, she sleeps for thirty minutes. She
sleep for thirty minutes, Like whatever, it's.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Right, right, I know. I feel like us type A
people are so like people texting with other actors, like
it's the seven eleven one four seven, and then like
you know, you're like this nap, this nap, and oh god,
it's so I was so all over that shit with Albie.
And then my second I'm just like I don't. Yeah,
(30:59):
is there anything you want to teach Emma that you
felt you missed in your own upbringing?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Oh my god, that's really deep, Katie. You just took
a turn. I think the biggest thing that I didn't
learn until I was a little bit older was true
like self worth, self love, body positivity, or like not
(31:23):
talking badly about my body about myself in front of her.
Like they absorb so much of what we do and
what we say and how we do it. If I
don't check myself, what is she gonna do? She's gonna
emulate her mother. So like I don't want to say, like,
oh I can't have that piece of pizza tonight, Like
you know I'm being good, I'm being bad the good
(31:46):
bad around especially around food. I don't want to reward
her with food and treats and things, and like not
saying that my parents did that all the time. But
there's definitely something that we are learning now in our
day and age of like how caids you know, see
food and themselves and their self worth and their self love.
So that to me is really important, not saying that
(32:07):
I didn't get that, but you know.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But no, but you're going to be putting attention in.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Yeah, yeah, definitely, it's really like.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Yeah, just like making it an intentional choice. You recently
wrote and narrated a bedtime story called Emma you Can
Be Anything Yeah with Storybook, which is an app that
provides bedtime stories, infant massage, and meditations for kids. Why
did you choose to write this story? How was creating
the story based on your experiences raising Emma?
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Oh my gosh, it was amazing. They have an amazing
team of writers. They are so family forward. They are
wonderful people who have created this app for mothers and
parents and grandparents and whomever. So the app is really great.
When they've said, like, we'd love to create a story
for you for Emma like number one, just to have
that for her to listen to and hear hear my.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Voice, incredible. I'm sitting here being like, how do I
do that?
Speaker 2 (33:01):
You can do it?
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I want to do that. You should?
Speaker 2 (33:03):
They you should? I will put you in touch with them.
They are amazing and they honestly, we just talked. We
talked about the things that were important, the things that
the way I was raising her, the idea that for
me being put into acting as a child and experiencing that.
I want her to know that she can do anything.
(33:27):
Whatever it is that she wants. I will support her
however she wants to go about it. If she wants
to change, you know, that's fine. Like just supporting her
and giving her the chance to choose and to do
things and to try things. And you don't have to
be just one thing. The theme of the obviously the
poem is like you can be anything. But she I
(33:48):
put her in dance class because she's dancing, and then
one day she decides she doesn't want to anymore. And
I'm like, great, you don't have to try this.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
What do you want to do?
Speaker 2 (33:55):
You know that the options are there that she doesn't
have to live through me, she can live through herself.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Oh that's so beautiful, John, What advice would you like
to give your daughter if she gets closer to her
one year milestone birthday?
Speaker 2 (34:13):
That's why.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
She's gonna be one that it's gonna happen in like
one second. It's so close around the corner.
Speaker 2 (34:23):
It's amazing and devastating at the same time.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Oh my gosh, it's devastating. It goes by too quickly. Yeah, right,
But also it's such a huge pat on your shoulders.
I think the one year birthday is honestly far more
for the mom than it is Frue.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I told David, I was like, we're getting a bartender.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, what advice would
you give her? Got it?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
One? It's okay to feel, it's okay to be, it's
okay to want, like, you know, all these things that
she's learning around her. It's amazing to see the world
through her eyes, to go through life like that. Like,
I would want her to hold on to that as
(35:06):
long as she can, to hang on to the idea
that like fresh eyed, like bright eyed, bushy tailed thing
that we get so jaded along the way. I hope
she can hold onto that as long as she possibly can.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Oh, am, Emma, finish this sentence. Parenthood is.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Wild. That's when we haven't had yet.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Oh really, No, wild is great, And I agree with you,
and I think you're doing such a great job. I
mean the fact that you even look together, like you've
like I have a lot of help.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Let's be real here, No.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
It doesn't even matter. I mean I was like so
out of my mind. I feel like I did waitress
when Albie was seven months old at a full time
crying every day all night.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Like I was like, so did you say, were you
sad they missed bedtime every night? Because I think about
taking a job like that, and you're like, how do
you miss that moment every day? You're like.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Because it was too new. I mean when you're a
first time mom and your baby is so young, like
it's really new and hard, and even though you feel
like like you said this secret pressure of like I
should be okay, like the baby's nine months old, the
baby's eight months old, like I should have my shit together,
like I should have my body back and my brain
back and my my hutzba back to like go, but
(36:33):
like it really take took me like two years. I'm
not kidding, and it's okay. I still function.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
I'm sure you did, broad like, but people don't. I
think people also, like you see and then people forget,
like they come see the baby at four months and
it's so tiny and everything is still you're in postpartum.
And then once you're like out of that six months,
people are like, you got a kid, You're good.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
You know, like, no, it's not that enough, and it's
not that because then they have a sleep regression, and
then there we're introducing food, and then we're introducing like walking,
and their body has a reaction and you're dealing with
first fevers and first colds and you're not good at
that yet because you're scared because you've never done it before,
and you're how was her first cold?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Oh, it's terrible. It's terrible. Her sleep got messed up.
She's nodding. She doesn't like me rubbing her nose. She
hates them bullb she can't breathe.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
It's I hope that we get boogie wipes to sponsor
this pot godless I use them every Yeah, hey, boogie wipes.
If you're listening, we're all loving boogies. Hello, send us
some for free. What the hell I'm living in boogie
wipes over here for those of you listening. In boogie
wipes or like a wipe, but they have like some
aloe on them and they're just made for like and
saline and they're just meant to wipe babies noses. We
(37:50):
were loves, not sucker or any of these things.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
You call us Hello.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
Is there anything that I forgot to ask you or
you wanted to talk about that we have not yet mention?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
No, you really fit a lot into her an hour.
I'm very impressed. I'm truly impressed.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
And we even got the biggest laugh that I've ever
had on this podcast. I'm not kidding. I will remember
that like until the end of time. Everyone listening. The
point of today's podcast is that Emma is not a palindrome.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
I am not well.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
So I left my husband for the first I left
my No, I didn't see guys, I did damage. My
brain is not well. Okay, Jenna Ashkowitz everyone, you're the greatest,
the best. I need to have you on the podcast
again before it turns two. Yeah, because I would like
to hear about the next year of her life, all
the changes and lessons and traditions and new journeys we
(38:51):
have had in this wonderful journey we are on. I
adore you you almost birthday to you, bitch, to you,
Thanks Katie, thank you everybody for listening. If you have
any thoughts, questions, comments, you know I always love to
(39:12):
hear from you. You can always contact me at Katie'scrib
at shondaland dot com.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
I tried. I love you, Katie. That was so fun.
Speaker 1 (39:27):
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