"Locked In" (w/ Tate McRae)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look mader oh, I see you my own and look
over there is that culture.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yes, we loves culture ding Dong lost culture. This calling.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
It's a big day. We've sang our guests song in
front of her already because I.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
First heard about the truly Seminal Suerb. I was gonna
say superior single two hands through you because you were
saying in the group chat ooh, two hands just came
on in the coffee shop and I couldn't help it.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
It was a shoulder shaker in the coffee shop. Did
you say, like you you caught yourself like just trating
you were giving you were giving tate in the coffee shop.
I mean, listen, it's one of those it doesn't really
matter who's around, right, you know what I'm saying. Just
we haven't acknowledged this.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
This is and we're not like big dogging in front
of our guests or anything, but we this.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Is our first time we've seen our award twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Four Webby Award winner Best Podcast Individual Episodes Comedy.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, this is really good. So we were we were
thinking that maybe our guests could present us with the award. Yeah,
you give us our Webby Award.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, of course what's a Webby.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Okay, so much award is if you do anything on
the internet like post or comments. Yeah, you know, you
might get.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
You can get nominated for a Webby.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Anyone with any online activity is sort of up for this. Wow,
this is the individual episodic comedy episode.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Congratulations, thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
And so like, we're just kind of in our chairs. Yeah, so,
I guess ceremony just pretend you're opening an envelope. Well,
we're nervous.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
The twenty twenty four Webby Award winner goes to Matt
Rogers and Bowie to get this from Tate McCray. Thank you,
congratulations guys.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Oh my god, do you have a speech for Baird. No,
you guys just want to thank Tate McCray for gifting
us with this. We couldn't have gotten from someone that's
more important to culture at this moment. And this is
going to dovetail into our intro. So close to what
we are in, the so close to what era.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
We're in, the so close to what we're in, the
mispossessive era, misposinessive tour.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Era as it were, And we've been in the era.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
We've been in the era Okay.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I think by the time this episode comes out, we
we we've gotten to listen to the album. Early album
comes out February twenty. First hitting tour.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Starts March eighteenth, even the season tour, PISCE season tour.
I think it's just after we'll talk about it.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, right after we got to talk.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
About your your signs and please, we got to talk
about your.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
There's there's, there's three, we bring out the tarot cards.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
We don't know shit.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
She is someone who we've spoken up about on this podcast.
Is an equally balanced three header just three hyphen it.
I guess it's two hyphens, but it's three tight singer, songwriter, dancer,
all three.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
She's truly incredible. The album hadn't come out. I think
Lard hadn't come out when you were in SNL.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Right, No, I was still making it.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
You were still making it.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
I'd heard Greedy obviously had heard you Broke Me first.
I was like, I like this take.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
The first time I heard Tate was on you. It
was on Troy's track.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Great song.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
And then she comes on SNL and then it's whatever,
we'll bring her in first, and then I wanted to
I just want to tell you about this moment because
it was truly an earth shaking moment for everybody at
snl okay.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
But we love her so much.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Listen to the album out February twenty. First, please welcome
into your ears Tay Cray.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
You putting up with our bullshit and giving us for
our award.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Thank you for having me. I didn't know what. I
didn't know when to come in.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
I was like, you know, we actually do we do
that intro for everyone, and it's actually since we've started
doing video, people get really upset because they see the
person sitting there.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's sort of like it's not just like you. I
felt like it was like a closed conversation. It was
a close conversation everyone.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
The tots are going to be out there being like,
why the fuck are they wasting her time?

Speaker 2 (04:01):
But they'll be fine. They sweet. They're sweet.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Yeah, to like sort of create a really nice fan
community has to feel good.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
It does. Yeah, they're great.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Feel the exception to the rule. It feels like every
fandom is like a little bit mean and they're terrifying.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
All stands I think are a little terrifying.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, how did you get here? Were you ever a
terrifying stand for someone and you get closest.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I honestly, I think like the closest like fan girl
I've been is like to Ariana Grande, Yeah, like I've
just been obsessed with her for a very long yes,
and I yeah, she's like the closest I think I've gotten.
And then maybe like Rihanna, like yeah, I feel like
those two are like the girls that I'll like die
for and Navy.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
But because this is the thing, like I'm sure the
Britney comparisons are like flattering, but at the same time,
you were like a Zygo when she was like out there,
like already very popular.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I was thinking about that, like a lot of the
millennial gaze are like it's Britney two point know, like
get on board, And I'm like, I wonder how you
feel about that because she wasn't it wasn't like us
what it was like we remember when Brittany came out.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, I think comparisons are just hard because like obviously
every person that comes into the scene, they instantly get
a comparison to people just like familiarity. But I think
it's just hard because like you can't create, like recreate
great art like that, like it's a new thing.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
I bring this up not to like reiterate this, but
I'm just saying, like you stand are because that is
your generation of like coming up watching Nickelodeon and being like,
oh my god, I love her, you know what I mean.
And it wasn't necessarily Brittany at the time because you
were like still.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Like like a baby baby zero literally zero years old. Yeah,
a little bit. I want to be that was like
being the knife is is a nice feeling.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I kind of want to be an iPad baby more
than anything else. But is just a baby that's on
the iPad and there heaven, but there their brains are
they are frying like a baby that just can absolutely
slay a device.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I think there's most babies now, It's crazy. Yeah, Tay.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Do you think the slutty glasses are the accessory of
the year? The little these ones, the ones that everyone
wears as someone who's notas are not the slutty glasses.
But I'm saying everyone's wearing the slut glasses.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
And I feel like you really pushed that forward in
a huge way and really so proud, Yes.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Thank you. I love the slutty glass. Like I think
it's really nice.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Right, why are you wearing them now?

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I didn't think it really fit. Today is a classy
day to day Yeah, glassy day.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
Well, thank you for classing it up, of.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Course, have you No, I haven't really Okay, let's look please.
I mean Dangerous Woman was like, yeah, it was like
my shit. I just think that Into You is like
the best pop song ever created.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Have you got on record to say this before?

Speaker 2 (07:10):
Because I actually don't think so.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
This is this can unite, this can heal the nation's wounds. Okay,
because we can all agree across generations that Into You
is one of the best pop songs ever.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
I truly think it is one of the best of
all times. And I think it like didn't at first,
like get the recognition that it deserves. I do think
it was actually pop perfection. And I remember talking to
Ali about it, who like produced the song, and he
was like, we crafted it over like such a long time,
and yeah, chorus is insane. Yeah, yeah, it's it's a

(07:42):
it's a perfect song. So I think dangerous one was
like my favorite. There's also just like little album cuts
that when I was younger were just like my ship,
just like in the car like really feeling them, like
thinking about you and I and touch it or just
like insane touch it.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
I almost feel like because into You loom so large,
and people talk about that song even though it like
was a single and people agreed didn't get the shine.
The song that gets lost is touch It.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
I fully agree.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
Yeah, yeah, so good, those hooks crazy wait, I was
It's okay, I'm okay hmm, So talk about that is
the first time working.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
With him, right, I've worked with them a couple he
did stuff on the last album he.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
I've worked with him like a couple of times, but
we haven't released that many records together. I write all
the time. Yeah yeah, but this was like one of
my first first ones I wrote with him.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
When I first became like super aware of you. Was
You Broke Me First? And do you want to know why?
It's because I was scrolling and Kelly Clarkson had covered
You Broke Me First on her show, and I remember
she did like a different arrangement of it, like she
did like a more like like I guess Kelly Clarkson,
but the lyrics were jumping out and I was like,

(08:57):
I get why she picked this song because they're the
lyrics are great, and you're such a great writer, and
I feel like sometimes in the dance of it all,
like when you see someone like slaying as hard and
executing on such a level as you are, people aren't
realizing that there's like real writing going on. Have you
been doing that since before you started like taking dance

(09:17):
as seriously or was it always like an equal passion
or is that something that you discovered when you realize
like recorded music could be a thing.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Well, I started off as a dancer. Yeah, so trained
super intensely since I was eight years old, like forty
hours a week, Like I was at a ballet school.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
I was gonna say, your ballet train, that's intense.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Like six hours of ballet a day, like very intense.
At one point, I like literally went to Berlin to
become a ballerina, like wow. And then I was like
this is for me, yeah, because it was so difficult. Yeah,
I mean I was twelve at the time. I was
like competing in ballet, Like I was just like I
need to I was so creative. I just needed to
like not do the same thing every day.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Yeah, And then it was the you can get dance
after yea, so thin you.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Dance at age thirteen and then when I was thirteen,
so yeah, I was competing my whole life. Dance was
like everything to me. I was like, there's this is
the only thing I'm going to do in my life
is dance. And then I went on So you Think
you Can Dance and move to LA for two and
a half months, and then got back home to Calgary
and I was I was just like, I am so bored, right,

(10:22):
I was just on TV came third place. Yeah, it was.
It was really crazy two and a half months.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, but you were in it till the bitter at
We were in too.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
The end and I was like the only Canadian on
this like American voted show.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
It was right, which is kind of impressive to place third.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, it was. It was weird, like none of my
friends or family could like vote in the show. I'm like, well, fuck,
this sucks. But yeah. So I got home and I
started this YouTube channel and I was like I'm going
to choreograph dances every week and post them every Friday
and post on YouTube. And then one day my camera

(11:00):
broke and I was like, fuck my camera broke, Like
this is ruined, Like my Friday posting isn't happening. So
then I locked myself in my bedroom and I was
just like, I'm just gonna write a song. And so
I taught myself how to play the chords of Tequila
by Dan and Shay. Wow. Great song, Wow. And I
started playing these like c chords and then wrote this

(11:22):
song in like two hours, and then showed my parents
and they were like, absolutely not, you cannot like put
this song in. I was like, this is like not good.
Like they didn't get it at the time that.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
You were in the zone. You were locked the fuck in.
I was locked in two hours, you wrote a song.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
I was locked in. They were like, can you please
shut up? I was like singing so much, and then
like blew up overnight and just became that song. Blew
up overnight, like got called by like fourteen record labels
within like two weeks, and then all of a sudden,
like I was like, Okay, maybe I should like start
songwriting more. Wow.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, But I feel like there was a time when
dance got kind of compartmentalized into something else, and then
you merged the two, right.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah. So then after eventually when I released She Broke
Me First at age sixteen, I was still in high school,
finishing homeschooling and finishing everything, and then doing dance on
one side and then singing on the other side. My
career started to like pick up a little bit, and
but I was stuck at home in COVID, So I
started this like singing career. But I was like, dance

(12:30):
is just so separate, like this isn't a thing that
should be mixed. Like, so I just never knew how
to connect the dots. I was just like, this will
be the one side of me, and then the other
side of me is just a thing of the past, right,
And that obviously as I grew up, like seventeen eighteen nineteen,
I was just like something is like really missing. And
then I ended up like being like I want to

(12:52):
do pop more and yeah, and so then I feel
like I've like finally found a perfect mesh of like
dance and singing.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
So what happened at SNL was you came in on Thursdays.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Yeah, what happened.

Speaker 3 (13:05):
It's just because we get the feed the camera feed
upstairs on the seventeenth floor as we're writing and doing
rewrites for the week. It was Jason Momoa as your host. Yeah,
that was a fun show. It was he was like
giving everybody his like new vodka. Did he give you
a bottle of vodka?

Speaker 2 (13:19):
My books? Okay, thank god because you were a minor.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
Yeah, but you were on the bleachers. You were doing greedy.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
Yeah, and everyone was like it reminded me of when
we when BTS came and like they were doing their
dances and everyone was like, ah something like something about
dance on that stage is really really powerful, right, and
you were doing it like throwing your I love. I
was going crazy because and this is a crazy comparison,
but I've been watching like old Jackie Chan movies and

(13:47):
like that man uses his body like a fucking Swiss
army knife, and you were doing the same. I was like,
you were going off and we were all screaming and
with Joy being like this girl is amazing. And it
was this moment on the and the writer's room where
we're all like we're just freaking out over you.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Really, I was so nervous. I would imagine it also
just feels like on that stage is so small, like
doing a dance break. I was like, is this kind
of weird? I didn't know. I really didn't know, because
I was just like, oh my god, it's just like
a little extra to be doing a full dance break
on like a little box.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Oh, but I get because it is so much smaller
than you think. When you go in there, you're like, wait,
this is the whole last set.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
And also the sound in there is very like it's weird, weird.
It's just a little empty sounding like it's like full
but then also empty in a way like I could
hear every sneaker, Like that's so crazy crazy.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
Because it's like basically like we call them the bleachers
as it were, but it's like a mezzanine and it's wide,
and then the floor audience is like to your left, yes,
and so you're performing this way, but most of the
audiences like in this concentration, and it's just.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
You're not really performing to the audience.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Or to the cameras in a way.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
It's hard to parse it out, but like did like
the experience on like a show. I got a TV
show help with that before or now, I think so.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
The weird part about dancing and singing is when I
was a dancer, I used to like hold on my
nerves in my throat all right, and then I can
just cough on stage and they no one would hear
me because the music was loud.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
You're you're an asthma legend.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
I'm an asthma legend. Yeah, that's a crazy asthma legends.
Oh okay, you embrace it?

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Or did I say something insane?

Speaker 4 (15:40):
No?

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I do embrace it, thank you. Yeah, I mean it's
stuck with me.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
You've had to embrace it.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
I had to. Ye. Yeah, I've heard.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
I've just heard you talking about your in tailor.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, I do. I embrace it.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
You must. There's no choice but to embrace it, because
it's there is Greedy, the song that changed everything.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yes, yeah, I think you wrote me first changed like
a little bit, and then Greedy I think changed just
like the way people like maybe looked at me right
just because they didn't know I danced that part.

Speaker 1 (16:17):
That's I guess what I mean is it's like when
I say changed everything, I'm specifically talking about like the
way that you fuse both sides of your creativity, because honestly,
when I heard you broke me first, it would never
have crossed my mind that you were not only a dancer,
but the best dancer. Then when I found out you
know she came from so you think you could dance.
I was like, huh, because it really does soul polar opposite.

(16:39):
And so then you make this decision. And is Greedy
a song that unlocked things or was it like that
just the single in that group of things.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
I think it unlocked a lot from me. Yeah. I
think figuring out how to write over a beat that
I would actually dance to was like mission impossible for me. Yeah.
I was just like, I write ballads and I know
how to write over piano and chords and things that
make me feel things, and then I basically just had
to train myself to write over beats. Yeah, and it's hard.
It's just like a learning how to do something.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Even the style of songwriting is changing. Is You've also
said that, like you like doing your set of chords,
but now it's like songwriting now is like it's got to.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Take a weird little turn and the middle or something unpredictable. Yeah,
is it hard to keep up with?

Speaker 2 (17:21):
I mean yeah, I think you're It's just times are
different now. Like I used to write songs for my
middle school and high school emotional self, and that was
just like my form of expression and very therapeutic for me.
And now it's like my career, so it feels like
now I envision it on tour, I envision it like
I think there's just like way more components that come

(17:42):
into the songwriting room that just change it for me.
And that's like very inspiring. Thinking about tour and thinking
about performances while you're writing it.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Has just different because I would imagine like will you
will you break it down and like do like not
to reveal what you're going to be doing, but like
will you give an acoustic set? Like is that something
that exciting?

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah? I love acoustic seats too, because then it feels
like that full side of.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
Me that you know isn't like the right what I
usually do on story because you would imagine that it's
like like I'm someone that knew you from you broke
me first, and what struck me at first because I
wasn't even hearing you singing.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I was hearing Kelly singing. I was like, well, these
lyrics are great. And also for that to be one
of your early songs, it's kind of complicated that like no.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
No no no no no no no no no no
no no no, no, no, no no.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
It's like it's kind of like complicated. So just songwriting
jumped out to me first and then but but probably
the world first like heard you on Greedy and like
knows you as a dancer, so this, yeah, probably people,
most people don't know that you're going to give the
songwriting depth that you're gonna give, So that's going to
be exciting for people to discover at the show.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah. I think my my real fans know that. Sometimes
it is difficult because people only see like me doing
a dance break online and they'll be like, she never sings, right,
I'm singing this whole shah.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I've been singing.

Speaker 2 (18:55):
I've been singing, and someone they just like they only
see the hands breaks. So then I'm just like, oh,
like it's sometimes like you need to watch the whole show.
You don't know, you don't know the whole picture. I think.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
I think the rollout for this album has been like
mission accomplished. It's like it's like it is all living
in the same space, thank you, because like it's okay,
I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Like the first time I saw it, I was like,
oh my god, she's he was getting arrested.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Moment.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
It's a pop moment, and then there we went there
and then two Hands. I'm like, this is this is
the best thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
Thank you?

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Do you have a car? Thing?

Speaker 2 (19:41):
It was mostly just because I feel like the album
was like a lot of it just uh was around
like these road visuals. Every time that I would like
write a song, just envision like a never ending road.
And maybe that was because I was literally on the
road all year and like felt like things were never ending. Yeah,
but I had that like con and visual in my head.
Some I heard two Hands, I was like, we can

(20:02):
do a video like this that could be really sick.
And then sports car has happened to be the car.

Speaker 1 (20:09):
Yeah, okay you literally you're saying tour felt never ending?
You just finished? Yeah, you're you're about to go back?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Yeah? How does that sit with you? I mean luckily
I love tour. Yeah, I think it's very fun. This
is also my first time doing arenas, yeah, which has
been like a lifelong dream of mine. So I'm very
like excited for that. That have to be It's like
feels like a new chapter. I also, as a dancer,

(20:37):
I feel like you are just used to just say
never stopping.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Oh so yeah, the pace of life is is it
will be daunting for anyone, but it's something that you're
accustomed to. Yeah, I think so as a dnswer because
the ballet training is like you might as well be
living in like a nunnery.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
That's yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Discipline it is.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
It's crazy. It's exhausting, honestly that about ballerinas. I think
I have like one of the hardest jobs in the world. Right, Yeah,
this is easier to sometimes being a pop star feels
a little easier in some way, like a little bit
like a little more relaxing.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Do you find that you can connect with like other
pop girls, like because I would have like because it
sounds like of course for fans being like, oh, like
they think about the pop girly thing and like, you know,
there's that discussion obviously about like Charlie and Lord and
like them bridging the gap and everything. How have you
felt it's been like entering that lexicon of people, you

(21:35):
know what I mean? Like pop girls, I feel like
there's like support and it's cool.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
Yeah, I mean, we luckily, I think right now, are
in a time of just like there's so much hate
on the internet and so much hate in the world
that like, internally, it's just like very supportive, the most supportive,
and all we want to do is see each other
when yeah, like all my friends and I we just
have very wholesome relationships. Anytime we hang out. It's just

(21:59):
very very wholesome. I think that's very lucky right now
because it is like we all know how much we
get like beat up on the internet, So it's like
nice to have friends that like are.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Actually real demonic outside of your.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
We're like knit. Like it's literally like very sweet because the.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Only thing you guys have in common is that you
are getting insane energy from the internet.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
That is the only thing you guys. But because of
them in that circumstance, you know what I mean, Like
that is like that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Yeah, it is. It is weird. It is weird because
sometimes like you're just like I just started writing for
fun and then.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah, and then it becomes this fucking thing.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
It becomes huge, like whoa, Like you don't expect to
get We know that you're like meant to be judged
and music is subjective, but you never expect like the
personal attacks that breaks out, Like you're like, oh, this
is a huge deal for no reason. Rites and that
is crazy.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Was Amy Allen?

Speaker 2 (23:03):
She was?

Speaker 1 (23:04):
She was She was on Think Later too, or you
guys were working together even before that.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, I started working with her on Think Later and
this album.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
And this album.

Speaker 3 (23:11):
I feel like she's getting this like shine now because
of the Grammy. Yeah, you just want and like like
working through you and like sabrin it. It's like talk
about that process because it seems like you two are
very keyed into each other in terms of like the
work ethic.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yeah, I mean, Amy Allen is one of the most
talented songwriters I've ever met in my life. She's so incredible,
such a badass girl. I worked with her and Julia
Michael's a lot on this album. I think it's just interesting,
like no one understands a girl perspective quite like another girl.
So like you can like have other producers in the room,
but it's just like she gets it. Like I can

(23:45):
kind of just like say this is happening with my
boyfriend em and she'll be like, oh my god, exactly
the same and it's easier.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
To like put in towards yeah, totally, but it is.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
It's very inspiring. We have two different like processes in
songwriting and obviously different perspective is because we're just have
grown up differently. So it's it's been really fun. I
just feel like I get new knowledge every time I
work with her.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
So when you guys are together, is it like she
hops on keys and like what is it?

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Like? What M say?

Speaker 1 (24:14):
No, I'm literally like sometimes when I see these people,
like I just wonder, like who actually plays in the room?

Speaker 2 (24:19):
You know?

Speaker 1 (24:20):
I mean the process to me is what's so interesting?

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Okay, Well it kind of depends. So if I'm in
the studio alone and I'm just writing on my own,
someone will play chords or whatever, and I'll like sit
in the corner for like a couple hours, right, go
into the studio track and that's it. If I'm with
like a co writer like an Amy or Julia or Ryan,
usually will start a beat or whatever. We'll kind of

(24:44):
get like the vibe for the song. Then we'll discuss
what the song is about. I see, you need to
be on the same page, right, You're working towards the
same goal, right, And then it usually just becomes like this,
like you find the magic at some point of what
the song is and what you both relate on and
then you kind of just like spit back and forth.
It's like different lyrics back and forth and until the

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song is like built.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
But a lot of times that like starting with a
beat in a track and then like a feeling develops
around it for sure. Yeah, yeah cool.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
Is there a preference on a style? Is it like
is solo? Because speaking this is not quite the same thing.
Like I always prefer writing with people. Yeah, when it
comes to like you know, comedy or scripts or whatever.
It's like I've learned to like not feel so bad
about like, oh I don't do so well.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
On my own.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
But do you have one preference?

Speaker 2 (25:32):
It's honestly just different like you other people have different strengths.
Like Ryan Teddor is so good at a pop chorus,
like and that is his strength. So I'm just like god,
if I'm yeah, like if I want to walk into
a room and I want to write a pop song
like Ryan Amy, those are like pop choruses that like

(25:53):
usually write the first thing they sing is like feels
really good. But if I'm writing something that I feel like,
is it hard to communicate? Like sometimes I feel like
I can't really have a hard time discussing my emotions totally,
so explaining it to someone is really even more complicated.
So what I do is I need to be alone.

(26:14):
I need to like have my subconscious thoughts like spit
it out for me, and then I can like find
perspective on the situation the relationship because I just really
am not great at communicating and that's like why I
started writing in the first place. But if I have
like a concept it's less deep, deep deep in the
back of your head, then it's it's fine with another person.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, because either way, you're just making sense of what
the song is about, whether it's just you needing to
like spill it out, like spill for a couple hours,
or that you're like reconvening with Ryan and Amy and
Julia to be like, what is this going to be? Yeah,
it's the same destination.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
And there's a lot of times where concepts are really
obvious and they're like, oh, this is what I need
to write about whatever. And then there's a lot of
times where you can only fine perspective at the end
of the process because then you figure out what you
actually meant, and that just takes a lot of digging,
like and that's where I need to be alone. But
but like if it is an obvious like concept and

(27:13):
it it's just like a something that is happening in
my everyday life. There's some things that are sometimes like
buried so deep that you're just like, I don't even
know where this came from.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
What's an example of an obvious concept on the album?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I would say an obvious concept like a song called Signs.
I love Favorites. Signs is like the most obvious because
I'm like, Okay, can you please fucking read my mind?
Like you need to just like do better.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
You need to be able to read me if this
is going to move forward, I shouldn't have to do anything.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Literally, you should just know. You should know already. So
this was me and Amy walking in. It was a
five minute combo being like literally read my mind, and
then we started writing the song. So that was very obvious. Yes,
quick conversation, nothing too deep. I would say a song

(28:06):
like Purple lce Bram Yeah, took a second to Like.
It was me writing some concepts on my own and
then came into the room and I cracked it with
Amy because I had an idea and she helped me,
like shape it a little yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
So that one was like a little less obvious.

Speaker 1 (28:22):
So just like connect all this to when you were younger,
because like songwriter is something you find out of like
the camera, break camera, but before that, like you're doing
dance and we'll ask you like the central question of
the podcast in a second. But I just wonder, like
as someone who was around you know, girls doing dance
contests all the time, and like that was such a
fun thing that we all did with each other as kids,

(28:45):
Like did you have a long period of dance being
really fun for you before it became like a job,
and if so, or if not, how did you find
the fun in it?

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Again, I've always just been obsessed with dance.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yeah, I got like it's too much on the schedule,
Like I'm hating dance right now.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
It's not really. It only started to get ugly at
like age sixteen seventeen, where I was like I want
to go to high school. I hear and I want
to be a kid. And I remember feeling that was
like I want to go to school with my brother.
I want to go to a party. Yeah, I wanted
do alcohol. I want to like it was just like
that feeling of like I need to be normal.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Right, and yet you have this extraordinary gift and opportunity.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, it was like it was a catch shooting two
because I felt like the coolest I ever felt was
when I was like in my element, Like I didn't
feel like cool in school or like my personality always
felt like a little awkward. And so I was like, oh,
I'll feel myself when I am in my art and
in my craft, and that's when people will like fully
understand me. So it was weird because then I went

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to high school and I was like, oh my god,
like now I've even more feelings because I feel so
out of place. Yeah, and it was like not at
ballet school anymore. And so then it drove me after
that to like, you know, I think, really get into
it again, like so to go.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Back to it, yeah, because high school is a fucking beast. Yeah,
I still think looking back, it was the hardest time. Yeah,
And they they really tried to make you think this
is the best four years ever. You're always gonna want
to be You couldn't pay me to go back. No, No,
I felt the same. High school was interesting.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Calgary High School was interesting, like what's the vibe in
Calgary High School?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Probably the same ke No, Honestly, it was like it
was like normal. It was just like the.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Vibe okay, because I grew up in first a quick
little second, I grew up in Brastward in Quebec. Oh whoa, okay,
and maybe it's a French Canadian thing, but it's like
it always seemed a little bit ironically. It seemed a
little bit grittier, okay, like more in your face. But
that's maybe the French, the French Canada thing.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Like probably Calgary, I don't know, but Calgary feels like
it's like it's not it's not BC.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
It's like it feels like for real Canadian. It's like Canada.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
You know what I mean. It is the streets, the
streets in Canada.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, one Street so okay. So but it just it
was rough.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
It was just hard. It was it made you feel
like it made us feel like crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah it didn't. It does didn't make me feel a
little crazy because I was just like, oh, I feel
really out of place, and I I feel so I thought,
I like overthought and over analyzed myself before this. Now
I'm like my personality is like the biggest problem in
the world.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
So would you say, like, did that be the songwriting
at all?

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yeah? So that that's when I like really started. So,
I mean I loved writing since I was a little kid.
I'd write short stories and poems all the time. But
that's when I really started to get into a songwriting
because I felt so fucking crazy and I was just like,
people need to understand me.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
It's like the second or third time you've said that
it's about being understood. It's not about being like impress
or anything, which I think is so interesting because your
skills are so impressive. But it's not about that. It's
about more you getting yourself across and being understood for sure.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's what it has always been for me. Is just
like literally not being able to explain myself and then
being able to explain myself fully through dance and singing
and feeling so seen exactly how I want. Yeah, that's weird.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
You feel like when you listen to your albums, like,
is that the number one thing you want? Is like
I feel like I got myself across there, like or
what is it that's the goal?

Speaker 2 (32:31):
I think it's hard to do that because sometimes you're
so locked in a bubble that of perfecting songs that
you're just like, WHOA, what was that? Yeah, But that's
I think, at the end of the day, the goal
out of about every album.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
I think last time we were like, I have a
harder time writing from a place of like joy and
happiness because I is that so true?

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Yeah? I think.

Speaker 3 (32:56):
I asked that in such a crazy way. I'm just saying, like,
because you do write in this place like I need
to get these emotions out, I need to process in
this way. And totally I don't need to process happiness
because I'm feeling happy.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
It's hard to be driven to express.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
You know, I am. I think I'm a pretty happy person.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Like I asked that in such a crazy way, I'm saying, no, No,
it was.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
A great way. I mean, it's exactly what it is.
I feel like I'm a very normally happy and like
stable person, but then there's like one little hole instead
of me that's so fucking sad. Yeah, And I don't
know what that is, and it's just like that's what
I write from.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
Do you get closer to figuring it out?

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Like is it? Like?

Speaker 1 (33:35):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
Men?

Speaker 5 (33:39):
Well, it's not now the answer is always yes, yes, no,
I really don't know what it is.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
It's always like it's been since I was like a
little little kid. It may be because I'm a cancer yeah,
okay Scorpio Okay, yeah, what I know more about Piscis
than I do Scorpio.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Scorpio is the dark piss whoa And I say that
and and and like all positive ways, Like Scorpio has
the edge that Pisces can't muster up. And I feel
that way about cancer too.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
That we don't have the edge.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
No, no, no, no, you have cancer queens.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Right, we're like a little spicy but really sense it's protective, right, like,
so that's the hard shell, whereas like Scorpio, that's it's
more of the stinger, you know what I mean. It's
like Scorpio.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
Don't cross because I mean I always say about him,
he doesn't suffer fools, right, Whereas I'm like I I
will give everyone of the benefit of the doubt until
and blame myself until I'm a puddle. Right.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
But cancer and pieces get along really well, same with Scorpios.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
We're worthy three water signs. Yeah cool, we all belong
to splashing around together in those and we can protect
each other but also open each other up.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
Yeah, but I feel like when you do write from
a place of joy and happiness, it like it is
a huge sort of success because is like two hands.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
I feel like it's so joyful.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah it is. Well, I think then that clicks into
my like performer side. Yeah, it feels like my alter
ego feels like my side on tour, feels like the
mode that isn't my like sensitive self is like what
I turn on when it's time to perform. Yes, and
that's if I'm going to write that kind of song,
I have to be in that headspace.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
So my question is, like when when you are like
creating a record that like pretty much already beforehand because
you've had such huge success on streaming and radio and everything,
and you're such an exciting artist and you're creating a
new album, is there the pressure every time to go
in there and like write a hit or is it
more just about like today we're writing a single, or

(35:41):
like today we're right, we're trying to fill out like
something that I want to explore. Like, I guess how
intentional is the process of writing something that's meant to catch.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
I mean, it's so hard because I try not to
approach it that way because you just want to like
go in and experiment for like months, and there hits
a point where your labels like okay, experimentation is done,
where's the single? And then it becomes really fucking stressful
because then then you're just like, oh my god, what's

(36:12):
the song? And this is where I become the most
indecisive person. Of course, like my team like wants to
shoot me when I'm picking a single because I can't
decide and I can't hurt.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
But it's crazy like that they do turn to you
and then they're like I even for me and my
like comedy album, Like they turned to me and they
were like, so, what's the single? And I was like, oh,
I was supposed to pick. I feel like isn't that
Don't you feel like it's kind of nice that it's
your responsibility, but also you're.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Like, oh god, you see it. It's like you can
see your own work when you're in the middle of
creating it, like yeah, so many words and jumbles and
you're like hearing yourself talk and sing back. That's like
you can't pick right, you.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Can't pick it's also like such a ready made rag
from the fan community, like, oh, she picked the wrong
you know. We we as like people that talk about
pop culture like all the time, like we're guilty of it,
like you, I mean, like when our fave like in retrospect,
like clearly should have picked something else as the first single.
It's like you know you you're like it's like a thing,

(37:17):
but it's not as easy as it's so.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
It's a special skill and I don't have it. Really
cannot make a single. It's so not obvious to me.
It also sounds the same.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
But that shouldn't be part of your job.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
No, but literally that sucks. It is literally part of
my job and very important.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
Yeah, how have you felt about the singles this this
go around? Like are you excited about the ones you picked?

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Yeah? I think so. Yeah, I think everything happens for
a reason. Yeah, what's the reason? The reason is like
I think you can always have doubts about songs, not
like things about some songs, like things about other songs
and wish The worst part is like you love things
and then it's like the week to release. You know,
this is the worst fucking song I've ever heard in

(38:04):
my life.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
Because you've listened to it too much at that.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Point, yes, and now you're just like processing it too much.
But I think Single Type for a reason. I think
they've like they make sense and the album will make
it all come together. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (38:20):
Do you have a favorite song off the album? Like,
what's the one you can't wait for everyone.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
To get to? Okay, I'm excited for Blood on my Hands. Yeah,
And I'm excited for Like I Do because I feel
like it's a little different.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Like I Do is great flow Millie I've loved forever.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, she's great. She's got like she does sound great.
I've just also never done a song like that with
a rapper, right.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
It's your first time with like a hip hop feature.
Oh great, I know it's fun major.

Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah, Okay, I want to shout out green Light because
the bridge on that there's is it a vocal effect
because there's like.

Speaker 1 (38:55):
A like you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, seck, thank you green Light too.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
I think that was another one of our favorites. Shout
it out.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
Green Light was one that I wrote on my own
that was a hidden one where I was like, I
don't know how I feel right now in this relationship,
and not in not in a bad way, not in
like I don't know how I feel. It was more
or less just being like what am I feeling? And
what I had felt was I was like still hurt
from a past relationship. Yeah, and then I was like, fuck,
I feel like I'm like waiting at it a green

(39:26):
light and I literally just can't press the gas. And
I thought that was such a weird feeling, and that
was like the road metaphor, But that one was that
almost funch right. I like that one too.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
It's like there's wow, there's like the poetry in that
is like huge, thank you. Yeah. I feel that way
so many times. Yeah, it's just it's hard to believe
in yourself, Like it's hard to believe that you're like, yeah,
sure you're giving me the go ahead, but is it
gonna be worth it once you like really get on
the ride with me. Totally's and it's scary of course.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Yeah. And also you just like can't unhear or undo
things that have happened to you in the past. Care
just stuck with you like you are now just a
reflection of your past, and you have to learn how
to like have a better experience and overshadow that, or
you know, fall in love again and feel the good
things again, but you have to like jump off first

(40:16):
before you fall in love.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
I think the scary thing is it's like when you
see how much you can give and how much it
can go away, it's like, why would you ever do
that again?

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I know?

Speaker 1 (40:24):
And also knowing that the people who give you the
most also you lose the most from them because they
gave the most.

Speaker 2 (40:31):
It's so weird, like you never do this with friendships
things in life where you are the closest person and
then it's all of a sudden, just like nothing.

Speaker 5 (40:40):
Yeah, like that is so shocking to them. Death, Like
it isn't death, that's heartbreak is so awful. Yeah, there's
like I was talking about this the other day and
I was just like, that was one of the worst
feelings ever. Like any type of heartbreaks, You're just like,
what is this? I shouldn't care this much? But I
care so much.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
You care so much because also it's because because it's
not actually a death, then people come in with their
opinions on like you know, how much what you should
be doing to get over it? How much time is okay?
But it's literally grief. It is the loss of a person,
and you wouldn't talk about someone's grief about an actual
like loss to death in that way. So I don't

(41:19):
think people should necessarily be judging it, like, yeah, every
time I think of myself in my past being like girl,
come on, move on, like you know what it is,
it's like now that I've been through stuff like you can't.

Speaker 3 (41:30):
You can't I've ever got into like the it takes
this long to get over something, what do they.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
Say, like half the duration of what it was.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
It's like, really, it's just wrong.

Speaker 1 (41:40):
And don't listen to people who tell you that.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Okay, So it's time for us to ask the question
that we ask of all of our guests. This is
Tate McCray. What was the culture that made you?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
Say?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Culture?

Speaker 2 (42:00):
For you?

Speaker 1 (42:00):
This is when you can pinpoint. I think I started
to become myself when that moment of pop culture like entered.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Okay. I've thought long and hard about this because I'm
really not like that into pop culture, like any culture, Okay,
but I will say like one moment, I was like
a big Disney Channel kid girl, and I really do
think that that shaped my personality, and I remember that
Hannah Montana was life changing for sure, just like me

(42:29):
being like, well I have to become a pop girl now. Yeah,
I have no other option, Like I have to become
a pop star now, because that is so sick. I
love a place, I like it. I love a place
where I can put that version of me.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Yeah, she kind of was doing what you talked about,
which is like I do want to be a kid,
but also I know I'm a star and that's how
they'll understand me totally.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
So yeah, no, that's how I kind of felt like
in high school, Like not to that extent, of course,
but like a little bit.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Did that open up a country music for you too
in a way or no, Like did.

Speaker 2 (43:02):
It make me want to do country music?

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Or just liked to give you an appreciation, like you're
like Billy Ray, Like who's this man?

Speaker 1 (43:08):
This man doing country?

Speaker 2 (43:10):
You know what I can too, because Calgary for some
reason is kind of country. Like we have like this
one month in the summertime where literally the whole place
is like haystacks, cowboy hats only country music. Isn't there
a festival? Yeah stampede? Yeah, so weird, like it's just
for one month, like awesome. The whole town goes like

(43:31):
this ghoest country, straight country, there's whatever. So I'm like
actually into country music. Yeah, but I did feel that
like coming home, like when Miley would come home and
she'd sing the climb and she takes off at just
me like yeah, I just like remember being like this
is going to be me one day, like but literally

(43:51):
look yeah right?

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Was it also a little bit like seeing Mile and
also seeing her as someone that was because I would
imagine that it's like the Disney star thing looms so
much around the Disney Channel and like kind of Montana.
It's like you see kids that are your age or
kids that you can identify with, like in the industry,
proving that it's somehow possible.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah. Yeah, I think that was really shoved in our
faces at that age of like Disney Channel was glamorizing
pop stars every show like camp Rock even like that
was our era. Yeah, like oh my god, they were
using yes yes exactly, just being like whoa, like this
is legit?

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Like yeah you want to yes?

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Right. I just remember that feeling like this is the ship.
This is the only thing in life is music.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
Miley and Hannah are like the Locust and does it
then bring in like Selena and z and Dane r
And Yeah, I think that's.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
The whole lore. I think that's what I wish I
could like go back and be like, oh, it was
an earlier pinpoint, but really it was Disney Channel.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
That was one.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
It like my brain was forming and I was that
was I was watching that every day being like Alex
and was what really places my personality is my life
and I'm gonna go do camp Rock with Joe Jonas
Like that was like, this is going to be my life.

Speaker 3 (45:16):
Yeah, that's powerful, right, that's like, No, I'm by the way,
did we get Disney Channel in Canada?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:24):
When I grew up there, it was like why TV was?

Speaker 2 (45:26):
You didn't get it? Oh? Y TV is uh.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Like a Whit was like Canada' Nickelodeon.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
We had. My family had Disney Chow. He didn't.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
You didn't have cap I don't even have cable, but
like go to school and you would stay after school
and would watch y TV. And there was a show
called oh like you get.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
TV? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:43):
No, we we had different versions of it. Can I
tell you what? You would have been absolutely obsessed with
because we're obviously the same age. You would have rowed
so hard for Lizzie McGuire, I know, I know, I
know I would have.

Speaker 5 (45:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
Yeah, Lizzie McGuire was she was everything.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
Yeah, she was, she was sleep over.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Were in the fifth grade. It was all boys, mind
you okay, And for some reason it was like midnight,
one of the boys, straight as an arrow, allegedly decides
to put on Lizzay maguire the movie or the just
the show, and then it's all of these boys talking
about how hot Hillary Duff is. Yeah, and I was

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just like, but she's being funny.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
You can't see her talent. I can't like, but she's
so but first and foremost, she's a talent. And they
were like, yeah, but all these guys are like yanking it.
It's so weird to think about the concept of teen idol,
because that's essentially what that is. It's like all the

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girls wanting to like, for example, someone like Hillary Duff.
She's so famous at a time when everyone is going
through puberty.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Yes, that's weird. I know, it is weird. That's crazy.
It is crazy. The very formative years in your life.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
Yeah, I remember my friend, my friend, my friend, my
friend's older brother.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
How did a life size cut out of Hillary Duff?
And I was now looking back, I'm like, what happened?
There no red flag? But then it's like it's.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
I was so into her music too, right, Come Clean?
I still think Come.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Clean it's one of the great songs, the club remix
of that. So we're just seeing the talent.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
We're just seeing literally, Okay, how did you meet current boyfriend?

Speaker 2 (47:30):
How did I meet current boyfriend? I have known him
for three years, We've been friends, and it wasn't until
last year. I was in Cabo and he happened to
be in Cabo at the same time. And we have
never had one good interaction. We're in the same friend group,
so we have the same like and we hang out
all the time, and we had never had one non

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awkward experience like romance kind of like a little bit.
He's like, we weren't enemies. I'm like, yes, we were,
Like Wow, we just had this feeling where like every
time we would say something to each other, it was
just like not what we planned to say, Like the
most social suicide moments of all time, Like I would
trip every time I see him. I like try to

(48:13):
dap him up. I'm like, why the fuck did I
just dap him up? So weird? Anyone else? Literally, I'm
like what was that? Like? I was so out of character.
And I remember he used to be like why do
I Why do these friends like liked Tate? And I'd
be like, why did my friends like Leroy? And how
do we all get along? And then Klo came.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
You just happen to be in cop at the same time.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah, that's amazing, And he texted me and he was
like are you here and I was like yes, and then.

Speaker 1 (48:40):
We got together. He's great on the album too.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Yeah, it's so great. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (48:46):
Yeah, I will say, do you think, looking back now,
you like it was a subconscious you liked him the
whole time?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
No? I think I'm so about personality, Like, yeah, if
we have like a funny connection or like you like
get me, that's when I'll really get a crush on someone. Okay,
it's never from like first glance.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Yeah, like ever, and so she like got you eventually, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
Because we actually had good conversations that trip and like, yeah,
it felt like we finally clicked, we finally got each other.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
Was this after SNL yes, okay, because I remember at
sn out the after but do you remember this. You
and I were like in the room trying to like
scope out. You were like, oh.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
That's so fun. I was like, I was like, well
that was really a nice single era.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Yeah, there's a lot of eligible bachelors around there.

Speaker 3 (49:36):
What I told you it was, I don't think there
are a lot.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
Yeah. I was sitting beside some people and I was like,
we are not hitting it off.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Like one of one of my favorite stories is it
was like SNL after party. It was the Lizzo episode.
And remember this. We were all at the after party
and Lizzo came in ready to party. She came she
had changed her dress, she came in ready to sligh.
Twenty minutes later she leaves going guests not the party
was dead. But sometimes alchemy just doesn't happening.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Again, I've heard it's like can be the craziest thing
on Earth. That night, it was like it was like
mid level your words.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Right, Yeah, yeah, sure, it's like any party. It's like
if there's if there's an alchemy, there's an alchemy.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
Totally. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
I can't speak ill of the S and L after
party because it's you know this hallowed thing.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
You were you were supposed to come with the Birds
of View on the actual eligible guys there, but apparently
and I pitched a few, but I was like, but no,
like they weren't working, they weren't working something special. And
then look now now you're with Yeah, but that was tough.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
I really don't like looking for guys like it's.

Speaker 1 (50:40):
So it's the worst. You would rather be.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Pursued much rather much rather it be like natural, like
it just happens. Yeah, totally like friends to lovers. I'm
like that that vibe, but.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
That's that's the Royd Away.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
That was that vibe for sure, which felt way more
natural totally. I'm not like a big like like flirt
up frontway like that's not me. So the on stage,
it is so funny. The tate on stage is like
so polar opposite to my actual personality. Yeah, I'm gonna

(51:17):
get dragged for compared.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
We all wanted to be her, we all wanted to.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Be here, and she's an icon. But yeah, yeah, so
I don't know this like person that I am on stage.
My mom is always just like what who is this?
Like I'm like, I don't know, you're too sexy or
you're too like it's too much, like the eyes are
too intense, like not me, like because I have like
these like lock in eyes. Like when you're on stage,

(51:43):
it's just like it's happening. Yeah, it's time, but it's
just like very different from my actual personality. So it's
like shocking, similar to my family, because you're so you.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Are very like chill and mellow and conversation and then
like in videos on stage, it's like you are. It's
the eyes. You're right, you're locked in. We're locked in,
but like two hands, it's okay, okay. I'm just like
even like run for the Hills. I'm just like you are.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
You are dialed in in an amazing way, and I'm like,
it's so interesting to hear state that, like it literally
is Hannah Montana train conclusion. Imagine you like went on
stage for the first time ever, performed like locked in,
were galvanized and came off and it never went away.
Like your mom would be really freaked out.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
That my daughter's locked in, right I do, can.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
You please help? My daughter's locked in?

Speaker 2 (52:33):
So locked my daughter's.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Too locked YEA Describe the PERSONA who is she?

Speaker 2 (52:38):
What? What what's she about my alter ego? Yeah, yeah,
Sasha Fierce. Literally it's I've made it into like a joke,
so I talk about it like way too much, like
probably way more than I should. But it's I colored
Tatiana for her, Yeah, Tasiana. And it's just when I

(52:58):
go on stage, I black out, Like I don't actually
remember that much.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
You just like perform, you know what you're saying, because
I we leave our bodies sometimes or like you feel this.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
Way, yes, right, like you feel like you're it's now
just like a thing with your body and God like
in the universe, and it's just like you get possessed.
And that's the best performance. When I become too aware
of like I always say, this is like the craziest example.
When you're on stage and you become too aware and
too in your body, it feels like you're like manually breathing,

(53:29):
you know, when you're in bed and you're like, yeah,
you remember that you have to breathe, and then you
stop breathing because you're like, this is really this is
an automatic thing. Wait, you know, I've.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Never heard someone describe it this way. This is this
is huge.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Well, kay, don't think about it before bed if you
because you'll die, Because you'll die if you think about
breathing before bed, you will stop breathing. Yeah, oh, because
it is so automatic.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
When you become aware of yourself, it's over. Yeah, So
like that's I mean, that's that's just it.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
You're just it's And then when you're on stage and
people watching you and you're like you forget how to
like walk and move.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
You have to turn into someone else.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I have to otherwise I become way too aware, and
then I could do nothing normal, Like nothing is It's
just like you have to be in a different body
or a different space.

Speaker 3 (54:18):
Like it's crazy conceptually to think about the fact that
you wrote a song for two hours in your room
and then weeks later it was like okay, like a
bunch of people saw this, and now they're knocking on
my door to like get me to sign Yeah, And
then that's the kind of the same thing where it's
like you wrote wrote for a song you ever wrote,
But there's just like it kind of translates to this

(54:38):
idea of like you wrote something and you like it's
very intimate interior experience. And then you're doing a Reno
tour with all these songs that you wrote in of
your own studio.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
You know, yeah, it's it's bizarre.

Speaker 3 (54:50):
I don't know, it's like a stoner thought, but you
know what I mean, It's like it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
It's exactly perform It's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
It's really crazy. No, but that's where I get like
all like the that's where I feel like the universe
is just like planning everything out because I'm like, these
coincidences and these things happening like aren't aren't just like random,
like they're just meant to happen, like and I think
that Like, yeah, I feel like I feel like you

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like know that from a young age you kind of
like know what you're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
What's the venue that you're most gagged about performing like
that you can't really believe it's happening.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
Well, the Forum will be fun, doing a couple of
nights there, which will be fun. And MSG again, I
love that's wild. I know MSG is just special. Just
New York. I just bought a place in New York.
Thank you. New York is just like my place. Yes,
it's so magical there.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
I love to hear it. Yeah, honestly, oh god, just
that there is nothing like it. Did you do you
see a lot of live shows too? Do you go
a lot of stuff?

Speaker 2 (55:58):
I try.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
I'm just like, did you see the Sweat Tour?

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Yes? I did.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Did you see that in Madison Square Garden? I saw
the Forum? Okay, the Forum was great. Madison Square Garden.
I thought it was gonna flip over. Really, yes, it
was so crazy. Charlie's I mean, Troy's music just sounds
different in there because it's more of a vibe, like
it was kind of breathing. I love like the Charlie

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and Troy show because it was like, when Troy was
out there, it was like cool and like pillowy and gorgeous,
and then Charlie came out and just like punched you
in the face and it was rotating between that. But
when she was in that venue, I thought it was
gonna flip over.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
That was one of the best shows I've seen it
very long. Absolutely, it was so good. Yeah, so well.
I loved the two of them flipping on. I haven't
seen a.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Show like that before. That needs to happen more often,
I think so too. Not since Justified stripped or the
then scrapped Kanye Gaga tour, Oh wow. It's crazy to
think about that as it wasn't happen and then it
got canceled after the after I'm gonna let you finish
something split in the fabric of culture. At that night,
we were just talking about that, just like that was

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so consequential for like all of pop culture history.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
That night that was wild.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, wait. You did Tokyo for the last tour. Yes,
they did ye everything. I think we just went to
Tokyo for the first time. We ate so much steak. Yes,
I turned into a green of rice as like we
just like but we had like the best time ever.
Like Tokyo is one of my favorite places.

Speaker 1 (57:30):
It's magical, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (57:32):
Yeah, it's I've never seen it. We we played with pigs.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Yes, you went to a micropic that was like.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Number micro pick. Yeah, they're like, well there maybe not
micro there, there're a Macro.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Big macro pigs. There's like a straight and Harrazuku or
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I don't know if this is when you went on,
but there's like there's like multiple places in Tokyo where
it's like the Puppy Cafe no problem, the Kitten Cafe problem,
the New animal is the micro pigs.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yes, and then the even newer one is Otter.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Cafe where those are crazy.

Speaker 1 (58:07):
Those are crazy. Yeah, it's a cafe with otters.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
You eat, you pay, you like order some food, you eat,
you sip your tea, and they run around and they
come up.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
To you and they like sit in your lap.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Okay, this is too precious.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
No, it was perfect. And then then they all stack
on top of each other, so there's like there's like
eight in your lap at once.

Speaker 1 (58:25):
So what animal are you? You can't stay micro pig
because I'll fight you.

Speaker 2 (58:30):
I don't know, but that's fine.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
I'm so not a micro pig.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
What do you think yours? Is? What are your guys?

Speaker 1 (58:37):
People that wanted to really drag me to hell would
be like, I'm some sort of reptile okay, but I
don't think.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I don't really see it.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I would like to be some sort of crazy bird.

Speaker 2 (58:47):
Okay, I could see that, you can while you're laughing.
I'm I'm just like picturing it.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I feel like I'm a bird. I feel like definitely
giving rich. They don't even a fly, bitch, they don't
have to. I was gonna say, eagle, I was gonna
say falcon.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
I'm a falcon.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Yeah, okay, a falcon. So with that, what are you?
I might be a pig. I might be a pick
of some kind, Okay, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
I feel like you're more of like a koala or something.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Oh that's so Nate. I'll take Kuala down. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I'll be Kuala.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I feel like I would be a hmmm, don't look
at him.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
I feel like you're.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
I want to be a cheetah, but I'm not. You
are You don't think you're a cheetah. I don't think
I'm that fast.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
It's not about speed. It's just about the demeanor, right energy. Yeah,
like when you're on stage, like that's that that who?
That girl becomes a leopard.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
I could be more of like a rhino or something.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Have some respect for yourself.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
And they're like you don't. We're asking her what.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Okay, I'll take it together.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, cheatah, because the cheetah writes to it's a little.

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Slower, take a little slower than maybe mountain lion. Okay,
I like that mountain lion is good and above seize
the world for what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah, okay, yeah, you call.

Speaker 1 (01:00:23):
Her tatis sometimes or is it full on Tatiana.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
I call her Tatiana.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Yeah, don't stay Tati to her, Tatiana will.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Funk you up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
Yeah yeah, okay getting rested? Was that tap that?

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Tiana?

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
For sure, you would never get arrested. What are your
crimes that you've committed.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
I've actually never committed crime ever. I'm a big goodie
two shoes really yeah, I don't. I really do not
cause any trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
I will say that's good Disney Channel vibes. Yeah, like
I'm one of those good kids.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
I am good. I'm pretty wholesome. Is this true? Yeah? Okay, yeah,
I'm pretty good. Tushes like that. That arrest scene was
it was funny. My parents were on set too, were
but but was vibe. It wasn't even naked. It was

(01:01:11):
let me say this, that's a reference. This like like
the editing was so good that it looked like I
was super naked. I was in like full on like
a workout set, just base. Yeah yeah yeah, so I
was sitting there and I'm just doing my acting like whatever.
So it wasn't even that intense.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
So my parents were like whoa, Like yeah, so they
were like, we're so.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Down, We're so down, this is pop Like my dad
was like yes, like like they were just like this
is really cool. And then the editing came back and
it looked so realistic. It was it was giving like whoa,
like they did too good?

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Sure, they did too good.

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
And the final edit wasn't until like two days before
we had been all the edits. Everyone was like, oh,
this is great. It was like beige and the final
edit was like so realistic that all of us were
kind of numb to it. So when I was like
when the internet became like shocked, I was like, oh,
like I didn't really like think too hard about this,
are you?

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
But they'll the internet will always think too hard. Of
course that's their job.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
So that was that was funny because it wasn't actually
like it wasn't that like on set.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
Shit, I'm sorry that I said tits out earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
It's okay, I was.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I'm apologizing all throughout this episode offense to it. Okay,
now she was cool, it's cucumber cu number.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
I have a question, how long does Corey you live
in you like, could you like do you need to
be refreshed? How much do you need to be refreshed?

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
Okay, So I can pick up pretty fast. I would say,
like I can learn it right before, memorize it, and
perform it. Like like for when we were mirrored, it's okay,
I'm okay, Like we learned it the day before, wow,
and then did it Once I do the performance, it's
out of my head, Like, yeah, I don't remember unless
we rehearse it for weeks and then it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
Like sticks because something else has to go up in
the brain.

Speaker 4 (01:03:01):
Yeah, I have like no memories, so for sure, Like
I was gonna ask if you have a favorite dance
break of all time, like if you have a favorite
pop music dance break.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
Of all time?

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
Like, what's what's one that you're like that she or
he shredded that?

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I need to think, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Because now it's gonna that. That's the thing is, it's
like whatever you say is gonna have weight because now
you're the queen of the dance break.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
That's a hard question and to think on that first thing. Yeah,
think because that's a big one. That is a big
one jumps to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Mind for me. This isn't probably it, but I think
one that because it was so dance contest me the
gay little gay boy and my girlfriend's culture. Janat Jackson
all for You, Oh, Jana Jackson, all for You, Like
that was a song that probably was a hit primarily
because of aptively little girls and gay boys doing dance

(01:03:49):
contest when she's in the train station. Just now, that's
what I call music. I don't know, let's call it
four like just track one. Boom boom boom, boom boom.
That was a deep I'm gonna get with my sister. Yeah, yeah,
that's a huge one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah, I'm still thinking commitment. It is a big commitment.
I know that's a huge I mean I would say,
like single Ladies by Beyonce, Like, I just think that
that was big for me. Did you learn it immediately?
I don't think I did, but I just remember watch
just appreciated it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Yeah okay, but I'm saying like for tour, like I
was this close to trying to learn the dance break
for two hands, okay, because I was trying.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
To do like the like okay, but like you're literally
like upside down like across the window. Wait, what do
you do it again?

Speaker 2 (01:04:35):
I don't know a movie you're referring.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Well, wow, she she didn't even know what you were referring.
I didn't do that. She's like, I never because you
went like this. Well she I'm like, which is kind
of like we're kind of cool. When when when when
you say the word too, I try to remember the choreo.
I want you to.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
I can't believe I'm watching Wow. Oh my gosh, cool
this one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
Yes, wait, the again answers hands. It's like the handwave
and then you drive.

Speaker 1 (01:05:08):
Yeah, that's so I'm obsessed because it's like it's hand,
it's giving car.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
It is it's like giving like hip wave and then car.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
So what would happen if would you be proud of us?
If let's say we did the two hands choreo? Yes, yes,
we're gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
You should.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
I'm gonna tell you my idea for later. Okay, okay,
maybe you can be involved. Okay on tour, you'll be
on tour. Okay when when it's tour until for now
makes sense?

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
They laughed.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
The scene laughs, because it's going for four years October
because you want to have a Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
I of course I won't have all Yeah, so November
because we just announced new dates.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Wow, gradually, And that's why I said for now, for now.
I knew y'all had to trick up your the team
was going to push it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:02):
Yeah. So now it's November and I don't get a Halloween.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
No, you'll get a Christmas.

Speaker 2 (01:06:08):
I'll get a Christmas. You need to spend.

Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
Halloween in New York and then you're gonna sell your
house and be like, I never want to live here.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Why you're going by the time you get to like, actually, well,
you spend time in New York, you've been home, and
you get to like acclimated and make it your home.

Speaker 2 (01:06:23):
I actually haven't moved in yet, but to offer in
like two days.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Ago, congrats, Oh nice, And so it's going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
I hope. So yeah, sometimes they pull out.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
No, yeah, it's it's a whole thing New York. New
York real estate is inly and nasty. But when you
finally finished tour in November, like then you're gonna move.
And I think that November December, actually actually September, October,
November December, that the fall month quadrant thank you, is
the best time to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Be in New York. Yes, I think so too. I
think I'm going to really enjoy it there. And then
in the next year in New.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
York, and you do have a place here too, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
You gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Yeah, you got it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
I got it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Favorite dance break of all time?

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
Wait, didn't I say single ladies?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Okay, didn't I answer this hard question that's going to
cause me to get dragged online because now I didn't
say these other girls? Yeah exactly, Hello, I can't win
in this town. I didn't realize that that's what we
were putting you through. That was a very bowen response,
cancer vib Well, I think you're.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
Hand in this award right now. I know you believe well.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Okay, so we're going to do this episode's winning a webbi.
This episode is winning a webbe by the way, we're
going to do the choreo of two hands.

Speaker 3 (01:07:40):
Huh where we'll tell you later. Okay, you know I'm
not too brad. There might be eyes on it, like
people are gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Be eyes on it. We're just saying, we hope we
don't disappoint you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Well, do you need some help, like how to learn it?
Are you going to teach us? Yeah? I can help
if you're gonna if it's like.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
We should learn from you. Excuse you?

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
This is so ambiguous like this, we'll be in touch.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
We just told Tate the idea and we had to
skip past it and cut.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
That out, and she approves. I approve.

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
Yeah, it's gonna be good. Okay, well this has been,
you know, very sweet time. But now we have to
get all the last ANDRETTI with I don't think so honey.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
This is I don't think so honey.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
This is our segment where we each take one minute
to rail against something in culture.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
Now do you have something? You know what I do
have something? It's time? Okay, okay, is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:40):
It in culture? It can just be, it can be anything.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Mine is mine is very much in life. I'm not
doing in life.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Okay, we'll all do life.

Speaker 1 (01:08:47):
I don't think this is Matt Rogers. I don't think
so many. As time starts now, I don't think so honey, man.
I still see some of you doing it, and can
I say like it's it was never it It was
the tiny little man bum was never. And I'm looking around.
I don't think I see anyone here that's giving a
man bun.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
I see the potential on a couple of people.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
I see the potential hair length where you could give
that as someone who is starting to wade into the
might grow my hair out community, have a buzz right
now for people that are only listening I may grow
my hair out. I'm committed to the second, no little bun,
because I'm gonna show you a video of me with
long hair and it actually looks good. I put a
wig on. Okay, if you're gonna grow your hair out,

(01:09:29):
just give it a style, give it something. Just the
tossing it up into a messy bun. You are not
iconic girls from my high school. Second, you're not, Like.
The only way you can toss your hair up into
a messy blund and come out and have it Bestleigh
is if you are an iconic girl from my high school.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Two girls that came in like the sweatpants with the
top rolled down on the slides and the messy, messy
but on lacrosse sweatshirt. Only you with the messy bun.
Everyone else, especially you gentlemen. It's got to stop. That's
one minute, okay, Okay, That's where I'm at on them.
And you know what has really pushed me over the edge.
It's you know, the old photos of Justin Valdoni, like

(01:10:06):
when he had the hair in Jane the Virgin when
the version, yes, and he will do when he would
know about pop culture when he would serve a bun.
I was like, see, I can't believe we ever did
this right. But you're and you are thinking about growing
your hair.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
I'm thinking about growing my hair.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
And I'm just saying, if it ever gets to the
point where you see me and I have long hair,
and I'm like, you know what, guys, hold on a
second and you see me toss it up into a bun,
please stop me and remind me of this place you
tel you like a buzz Yeah, it looks really good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Compliments your your skull shape.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
It does if you have a good shape structure, and
so you wish. That's hard because a lot of people
like don't have an actually good skull shape.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
Could you buzz no?

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Well, you have this great hair, Why would you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:46):
I don't think I could buzz No. I feel like
I have a strange head shape.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
Did you get any time as a child, Yeah, you
must have gotten any times when he when your baby,
they flip you over on your tummy so that you're
not lying on your on the back of your had
the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
I don't know. I feel like they must have got mine.

Speaker 1 (01:11:06):
Give me so many time. I have a little bit
of a flathead too.

Speaker 2 (01:11:09):
I'm telling about that hip for babies is. My mom
says that your hips form before you're two years old.
So if you stretch your baby's hips before your two
years old. She did this to me. She was stretched
my splits before I was too.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:11:23):
And so my hips are naturally open because she formed
my hips that way. Whoa wow. That's the trick.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
If you want to have you got it from your mama.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
I did get it from my mom.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
You got it from your mom. Put me on the clock.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
I've got something.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Oh wow, Wait, hold on, she's about to go against
his mother.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
I know this.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
No, he's about to drag Okay, wait, hold on, okay,
this is Bowen. Why don't I have my thing? This
is Bowen yangs. I don't think so, honey. His time
starts now. I don't think so, honey. Not my mom,
but just the hip architecture in human beings in general.
Do you know we have our hip flexures go from
back to front, and we have side to side like
going across.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
It's it's crazy. It's the I think it's where I'm
going to go. It's how I'm gonna die. Is something's
going to happen to me in the hips, like I'm
trying to use them in dance settings and maybe a
sexual setting, and it's maybe not. It's it's not I'm
not executing the way I want to execute on the hips.

(01:12:22):
I've been doing the same split stretch routine for the
past two years. I'm no closer to getting into the splits.
My mom should have done this.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
What your mom did, what I'm Tatiana's mom did, men
flop and I can't believe I listen, it's it's it's
like the one childhood trauma that stays with.

Speaker 2 (01:12:43):
Me and is your hips.

Speaker 3 (01:12:45):
All these girls and boys were doing the splits in
front of me, and I was like, I want to
do that. I still, after a lifetime of stretching, can't.

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
That's what mal That's that's really how I can't do
it either.

Speaker 3 (01:12:54):
I guess I guess you can answer how you got
to do it because your mom kind of did the
work for you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Well, but then I you you just stresch. I did
really gymnastics when I was younger. I was gonna say
so they would they would take your like first leg
on a chair, your back leg on a chair, and
they'd sit on your knees.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
It's just crazy. Need just be sobbing for like, just
like why is this happening? And they're like, so you
can one day become the queen of.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
The dance break literally like actually this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Is for your own good, Tate McCray.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Yeah, maybe that whole of pain is from this is
from them.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
You So you were that girl who could just whip
out a carwheel.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Yeah. Oh, I was so jealous of you growing up.
I was that bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Yeah, you were that bitch flipping in the back. Yeah,
you were always upside down.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Well, for reading, you literally shot your leg up like
a full one eighty like straight line up and down,
And I was like, how do you do this?

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:13:52):
It's that after you slay so hard, do you just
laugh because you're like did it again?

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
Is that a weird question? I wish it was that easy. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
All I'm saying is if I was you and I
just tore it up, could.

Speaker 2 (01:14:10):
You imagine me? Just like yes, that's what we're saying.
When I just came out, it was like.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
And just like eight I would be like, whatever, maybe
that's what I should start doing. You have a very
high degree of that girl ability.

Speaker 2 (01:14:26):
Thank you. Yeah, that's the word. I made a little
giggle at the end.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
That girlable. Like all your music videos are very that girlable.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
The songs have a high degree of that girl ability.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Here.

Speaker 3 (01:14:39):
I think you should consider like the long black middle
part like you have in sports car.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Really that looked incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Yes, I think it made my face a little long.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
I wasn't thinking that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
No one was thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
That's the voice in your head.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
The voice in my head. I felt like I needed
like a layer or something. We didn't have enough time
to cut a layer.

Speaker 1 (01:14:58):
Though, really, because because that was you next to the horse. Yep,
how was that horse look scary?

Speaker 2 (01:15:04):
He was super nice. Actually, he was really cute and sweet.
A horse girl. I'm allergic to horses, but I do
love them. I love that interaction. You're a horse girl.
I'm allergic to horses.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
But I do love them.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
I just can't help but feel like.

Speaker 1 (01:15:24):
I always when I was my sisters did gymnastics, and
so all of her friends did gymnastics, and they were flipping, turning,
screaming through the skies like I was just like, why
can't I move? Yeah, it's because my mom didn't sit
on my hips. Yeah, which is not what I don't
think that's what you did. So you did rhythmic gymnastics,
not like competitive gymnastics with the ribbon.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
And I had a ball routine, yes, were you like
put the ball in between your back? And you was like,
He's like literally like like do a summersault with it?

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
Do you like who thought of that? Who thought to
do that?

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
I have no idea, And I also have don't understand
the reason for it, Like I don't understand why I
trained that hard to like fit a ball between my
back and do it? Crazy?

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Can we first second, think about every gymnastics event. It's
all insane bar It's like what it's like Someone's someone
one day was like, you know what it's going to be.
Girls are gonna run as fast as they can towards
a brick. They're going to fly off the brick hands first,
flip in the air, and land on their feet, and
if they don't, it's flop.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
It is, but it is. It's such an interesting thing
because it's the same with dance. Like I did a
music video say I'm like, I am literally dying for
dance right now, and then dance just like exhausted, bruised,
like like literally killing myself and just for a dance break.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
Yeah, like that is such a weird concept. Yep, you
gotta knock.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Yeah, I have bruises everywhere.

Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
Yeah, I can't believe you came here.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
What you didn't see is she had to drag herself
to the seat. It did, and we didn't help.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
We sat.

Speaker 1 (01:17:05):
We were like, yeah, it was cold, cold, all Okay,
it is your opportunity and time to do it out, okay, okay,
and I can tell that you're gonna tear.

Speaker 2 (01:17:15):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:17:16):
Yeah, this is Tate mccray's I don't think so, honey,
her time starts now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
Okay. So I'm only doing this because my mom just
came into town, and it's just a frustration I've had
with car play in my in my car so whenever
my parents, So it's a little finicky, like the USB
and the Bluetooth switches on and off a little bit,
but then I get to a point where it's pretty
consistent and walk in it clicks whatever. My parents come

(01:17:43):
into town and every single phone hooks up all of
a sudden and they're like, guys, turn off your Bluetooth,
and they have no idea how to turn off the
so it just like swipes up. My mom and dad
I grab their phones and like it is the most frustrating,
and I'm just like, why does the why does the
car have to click to their phones? They don't live
here their car, why is it connecting to this fifteen?

(01:18:06):
And it's just really hard because I feel like I
lose ownership of my car when they come into town
because I can't listen to my music. I can't my
navigation is off, and it just really frustrating.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
And that's when I'm gonna say, I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
I don't think so honey.

Speaker 1 (01:18:21):
Car Now it's officially Exchton time. Now, it's exton time. Car.
Play should know that it's a it's a dad phone
or a mom phone.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
It also should just be better. I don't understand why
it's not better.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
No, it's going to kill us. Play is going to
kill us because when it starts to act up and
they're driving and you kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:18:38):
From being like my turn is it? Yeah? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:18:40):
Well for me, it's like I need music to be
playing in the car like I'm not not maybe a
podcast but usually no, usually music and when and for
to say nothing of directions, yeah, which is also a
thing with car play. It's like you cut off my
music and directions? Why am I in the car to
begin with?

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:19:00):
The road like hello, doing surgery like on my car,
And I'm like, this was supposed to be easier. Yeah,
it's not like everything they say that makes things easier.
That's why I don't trust the self driving cars. I'm
like scary, Like that is really scary.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Every time they have made an advancement in cars, I'm like,
I feel as though we can go back to basics.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
I think so too.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
Are you doing Google Maps for Apple Maps?

Speaker 2 (01:19:23):
For Apple Maps? Why are you guys google Maps?

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
No, no, we're not. I'm so sweet about that, are
you guys?

Speaker 2 (01:19:33):
Google Maps? Google Maps?

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
But I just like Apple Maps is so tough actually
sweet opposite really sometimes Apple Maps is really really good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:43):
I think it's just a cleaner layout. I think that
when you it's just like less like clunky, all right,
like you zoom in on Google. Yes, Apple Maps is
just automatic.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
Yeah you know what came and went ways people, it's
still still use It was still still out there. We
just lost a huge ways sponsored the podcast and we
were struggling. So they're going to ask for our webby back.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
We needed that.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Here take our webbie back. Okay, did you want it?

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Tate McCrae accepts this webby on our behalf.

Speaker 2 (01:20:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
You know, if you if you, if you flick it, it springs.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Look do that. Doesn't it feel kind of good to
put your hand see like this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
To justify that he was doing it. It feels great.
Slip it not really? Yeah, exactly exactly. This has been
such a nice time getting to know you. You're fucking cool
as hell, You're so talented. Thanks guys, and we're going
to come see you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Please would love.

Speaker 1 (01:20:43):
We want to come see what m s g.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Please come. Yes, that would be so fun.

Speaker 1 (01:20:48):
And maybe even by then we'll have the two hands
choreo down.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
I think we will.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
I'm going to do that. You'll see us in the
crowd literally hurting everyone around us. I think that's gonna
We're going to start up the tech talk trend.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Okay, we're gonna do it perfect. Has there not been
a tech talk trunks step started at this point I
think there is for that dance.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Probably do you dictate what the trend is?

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
I don't think you really can, Like, yeah, you can
do like just post stuff and if it trends, trends.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Because like it wasn't there wasn't Charlie someone else made.

Speaker 2 (01:21:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:21:23):
Okay, that was good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:24):
It was so good. That was good.

Speaker 1 (01:21:25):
That's what you want. I mean, we'll be that girl
for you, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:27):
Yeah, that's what you want.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
That's what that's what you want to have someone else.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
This is a marketing meeting.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
The team's all here, well, so close to what is
out right now. Please do have some fun for once
in your life. Yeah, go listen to Flow Milly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:47):
Have a glass of wine. Listen to the album sit back.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Is that your optimal vibe for it? Like, have a
less of one?

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
I think, so you make a chill.

Speaker 1 (01:21:55):
Yeah, I don't think too hard.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
I mean, but thank harder.

Speaker 1 (01:22:03):
Had Like we're getting mixed messaging from tap.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Translation myself every album.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Okay, we had every episode with a song.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
We already missed up. It's you started it and one
that's the best part of the and I do love
the m one. Yeah, so that's for you to do.
It Home, Bye Bye.

Speaker 1 (01:22:32):
Last Culture. Reciss is the production by Will Ferrell's Big
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by Matt Rogers and bowen Ye, executive produced by Anna
Hasnier and produced by Becker Ramos, edited mixed by Duck
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