"The Life of a ShowgirlS" (w/ Matt + Bowen)

Matt + Bow hop on the mic to say they love, say they love, say they love YOU for streaming The Las Culturistas Culture Awards! Our hosts recap the experience, give some BTS, and share cut jokes and content from the show. Also, TS12 is upon us! The Life of a Showgirl is coming very soon, and Matt + Bowen are discussing the numerology of it all, the podcasting of it all, the "circus" of it all, and the ORANGE of it all. All this, love for Ben Platt in his viral "Diet Pepsi" moment, Weapons in theaters, Gracie Abrams in concert, and Law Roach on Project Runway. And that's show business, baby. 🧡

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look may oh, I see you my own look over
there is that culture.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yes, goodness loves cult dulling.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Oh, you're a little hot on the mic, little on
the first of all, you you just got dressed down
by Doug, so you can't talk.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
To me about the mine.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
No, I am this is not out of my own
bruised ego. I am just telling you I hear spiking Doug.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Doug, get in here, Doug. Am I too hot on
the mic? It doesn't sound like it's distorting. It is
a little bit louder than bowen. Okay, well maybe that
can just be my excitement. Are you using the MV
seven No, we're not the Doug over. We're not doing
this like this is supposed to be a fun thing.
You're gonna come in with all the terminology, the envy.
You got to go go pet that dog. Did we

(00:50):
have a lot to talk about today?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Okay, we really do. Gone, he's gone.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
No, it's just us girls. We love Doug. When Doug,
Doug is our king. As we all know, Dougie is
ar king.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Lots to talk about. Oh, the life of a podcaster.

Speaker 2 (01:06):
The life of a podcaster. Remember when we thought I
literally as of like.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Yesterday morning was like, oh, how great, Like not a
lot happened. We're gonna be able to recap the culture
Awards like and then and then it's horror movie logic
and well more on that later, but it's you know,
just when you think you're safe, ooh, no, killers right
behind you. The Wendy Williams killer, the killer. But in

(01:31):
this case, I'm so happy that the killer has arrived.
Do you know what actually bummed me out?

Speaker 2 (01:35):
Though? I went to my closet to sort of have
like a fun experience for me and you on the zoom,
I was gonna wear orange. I don't have an orange.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Thing, and that's probably for the best, I don't think. So.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Orange is just tough.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
It's just tough on human skin until until we have
blue skin, until we're navy, until Avatar comes out.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
The New York Mets coded mets, but it.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Looks good on the Mets on mister Met and Missmet. Yeah, yeah,
I actually there was one time in my life.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
I think I was in elementary school. I might have
been like fifth grade and someone told me you look
good in orange, and I remember I was like, huh,
well thought about that.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's your neutral tone. It's the olive tone, and so
maybe that that's it. It's it's your hellenic sorry Mediterranean.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Lineage.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
But you know, blue and orange is a class at
Combo Denver Broncos.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
That was big, you.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Know, blue and orange, blue and orange either are other examples.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
I'm sure didn't you wear orange for something we did once?
Were you an orange and popullette way back in the day?
I remember you wearing orange. I was golden rod. You
were golden rod.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
That was your color? Okay, well, light difference. I think
none of us were brave enough to do orange.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Well, who is brave enough to sort of do orange
is Taylor Swift, who has announced the life of a
show girl. Her album TS twelve as it were oranges
all over it and also some mint green which we
can also which we can only describe as tictach coded.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's tic tech coded. I would say that it is
more green. I think the orange was a mislead and
because she didn't want to double up on green with
debut with it, and so maybe that.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Was the air color.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
But I think the overall story is mostly meant green
touches of orange, because even she is not is not
knows that it is not the color.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
It would just be a lot to be exclusively orange.
But then again, I don't put anything past her. I
mean during eras and she looked good in the color.
She did.

Speaker 1 (03:40):
And you know what, should we look at the aerostur
book just to see if she drop any Easter eggs
in that and to get it?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Is it by you? Oh you're talking about the the
the official Oh wow, the hard the hardcover book.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
So they don't think I have this the note inside
when she said see you next era, Okay, what does
it say? You know, her talking about Ariostour, Aeros tour.
We can do it with the broken heart, We do it.
The life comes in phases way. It was brilliant flurs
of magical moments, all these seeing someth together. Green hairs, okay,
there's some just like orange. Emphasis line is orange?

Speaker 2 (04:14):
You glad you came to the Aras Tour?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh my god, you're right. She did an orange pun
right there?

Speaker 2 (04:21):
She did it? Oh wow?

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Anyway, Okay, maybe maybe I was misremembering things. Maybe it
was a Mandela effect situation. I'm blaming a lot of
things on the Mandela effect lately. That's my that's my
toxic track.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Define the Mandela effect.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Bear Stain bear Stain bears. Oh, you know, if you
know the countless examples, like if you know Popeye had
a green shirt instead of a black one or whatever,
like that's that's I'm making that one up.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
That's now I immediately remember what it is, so we
could be doing that. But the thing is like life
of a show Girl orange and mint green, like all
these things, like I can't say that on the face value,
there they go together. But I am more excited than
I've been in a while. Like it was like three

(05:11):
days ago. I wasn't even thinking about this. I was obviously,
we were thinking about other things, and then all of
a sudden, I was like, okay, yes, I'm ready. I'm
really ready. And you know, the showgirl imagery, it's just
it just goes to show. No pop girlly is safe
from a circus esque show girl esque masquerade esque era.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Well, and this is true of everyone, including Taylor at
some point. These girls, I'm sorry, these women reckon with
the fact that they are that the most legible metaphor
on their journey through performance and being an object of
whatever is like you know, being on display is the circus.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Which actually like, I don't. I don't totally.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
Poop who it, don't. I like the circus eras.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
I think it's gonna be great. I think that she
she clearly got something from that I can do it
with a broken heart type of performance she was doing
at Aerostour. That's so clearly like tips to this. But
my old thing is so there's been some and I
hesitate to really go here because leaks are leaks. But
there's some imagery floating online. We don't know yet if

(06:26):
it's real or not, but it actually points to her
having a kind of era which I have seen for
her in the past, and I can't remember if I've
said it on this podcast, but the imagery that the
life of a Showgirl thing and even the colors is
sort of pointing to, is sort of like an Annie Lennox.

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Diva type, grandiose energy, and she's also like the rumor
is that she worked with Max Martin on a lot
of this, which to me makes it feel like we're
going into a big pop era like if you know,
nineteen eighty nine reputation lover type thing, as opposed to

(07:06):
we're clearly not in a depressive moment. No, I mean,
I'm sure it will be a little Travis Maudlin, Oh, yeah,
but I'm just saying like there will be elements of
like sadness there.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
There's dementia to all our work.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I think. I remember I also recalled you saying, I
think after reputation you were predicting a Pat Benattar adjacent thing.
I feel like maybe it's not quite that. It's not this.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
I feel like my thing is like some one of
the pop girl least was going to try to do
like a Pat Menatar type of thing, and I think
some of them have hinted at it. I feel like
the person that's been closest to really kind of doing
that has been Miley.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
Yeah, but I don't know, it's not really the I
guess that was the plastic carts era and it didn't
really pop off. Yeah, I think we are floating with
I mean, there's a lot to work with here, right
Because I went to you and Jared, I said Vegas Residency,

(08:06):
and I said, what better venue than the Spear, what
better you know, like it can hold a lot of
people every on a given night. Mm hmm. My new
thought is just I hope she incorporates Elizabeth Berkeley, Geinia
Kershawan in some capacity.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
Oh absolutely, from Bring It Back Together.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Have a moment where it's like, you know, Torture, Post Department,
Dead Poets, society may draw.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Connect the dots to cinema lead single, her and Kyle
McLachlin thrashing around on the pool.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
I mean, why not her getting a lap dance, her
getting a pussy out lap dance from Elizabeth Berkeley.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I feel as though it's the all they move, It's
the only MOVI. But you know what, though, in a
real way, the life of a showgirl thing kind of
gives super Bowl more than anything else she's done, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
And that when we think and we think that's the terminus,
that's like the endpoint for this.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I don't necessarily know about end point, but I'm just thinking,
like in terms of esthetics that go with something in
culture that she hasn't yet impacted, that being the super
Bowl halftime show obviously the Travis of it all, you
know what I mean, Like in a world where it
feels like these people can predict the future somehow or
just are able to manifest this shit like him going

(09:19):
to the super Bowl feels real during the Life of
a show Girl era totally. I do think it's interesting
that Taylor Swift has now done a podcast. I'm just
saying it's.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Interesting she has done a podcast with men who have
been in the straight male friend sketch. Wow, there's avenues.
But my opinion is she she she should be the
second to last episode of this podcast. Whenever that happens,
oh my god, and then the last would just be us.
The last would just be us.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I feel like the last episode can't be Taylor because
we're going to want to talk to each other. But
this is not in the plans anyway. Everyone.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
You're just saying holistically, we could be sixty years old
and Taylor brings her talented ass in mm hmm. But yeah,
I mean, there's not much to know yet, but I
am excited. I will say, maybe we'll cut this out.
But there was an ask we did. There was outreach
to her for something in the Culture Awards, especially in

(10:18):
the end absent show, which we'll get to. What we
got back was now is not a good time, And
you know, obviously it made sense, and it makes even
more sense now. It's like she's going to wait for
her first quote unquote like appearance on something be very
intentional because of course the album is coming out. This
was what I was going to say, didn't We also

(10:40):
hear rumblings of abba infused Swedish pop, Max Martin. The
scuttle butt was that it was ace of basse Abba
Swedish pop.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Like you were just saying, like it was like that
kind of stuff you'd like, it's giving Eurovision happy pop.
In of I get that it kind of reads the
color orange, like orange in the mid green of it
all they feel like upper colors creamsicle. Also her sitting
on her boyfriend's podcast and giggling and laughing. It's just it's,
you know, she's she's gonna she's gonna attempt.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
To make the world happy and we need it, certainly do.
We certainly do. And for now we are waiting with
bated breath. I think by the time this comes out,
so I think the New Heights episode comes out on
the same day this episode does, I think I am
they will unblur the album cover, so at this point
we do not know what that looks like. Yeah, so

(11:38):
you know, exciting times. But more to say next week,
well more to say next week and then our and
Arra did point out that she liked a tweet where
someone pointed out that this is the twelve year anniversary
of applausees. Twelve twelve years this rollout, you know, like
is and then she liked the tweet, which is either

(11:59):
an acknowledge of the coincidence, which is purely coincidence, or
it is the intentional thing. Twelve weeks since she announced
that she bought her master's back. Whoa, And so that's
also there's there, you know, let's just keep digging through
the numerology here. The eastrands are usually just numerical and
how which is not say which is not to say
just it's like, let's focus on numbers exclusively, our softies,

(12:22):
you know, like let's let's let's go in that direction,
but keep going.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Do you remember her.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Walking out in the stadium with the cat and she
was in section A twelve August twelve. Yeah, So basically, like,
there are so many there are so many examples of
this that it's either completely insane.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
How accurate and like how methodical they are with this
numerical stuff in the easter egg of it all, or
at least some of these things are coincidences in a
way that it's like, if people worked hard enough on anything,
they could find a line to draw it at any
of these things, if you really worked hard enough. Like
it just feels crazy to me that she would be like, Okay,

(13:07):
well it has to be this day because it's twelve
years since applause and we months prior like walked out
at a twelve. Like, I have no idea what it's
like to be someone at that level, And I wonder
if every single day is planned out add on.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I mean, it's certainly possible that she outsources the planning
to a team of people.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Yeah, a team of scientists.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
A team of scientist, a calendar, scientists, astronomers and astrologers. Yes,
she has six astronomers and six astrologers and she puts.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Them all in her room. Twelve by the way, that.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Was my astrology twelve twelve months of the year.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Holy shit, bo oh my god. There might be something
to this number. She let us have a week, you
know what I mean. Like, the thing about Taylor Swift
is she she saw lost Culture Assist Cultural Awards were
coming out. I don't know that she watched them. I'm
not even seeing they were coming out. She said oh,
give him a week. I'll give him a week Diet

(14:14):
Pepsi cover right and be the viral thing for a
week totally.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
And next week is the twelve year anniversary of Art
of Applause. Okay, I'll do it then. Yeah, that'll be
a drop that feels right. Speaking of die Pepsi, Ben Platt,
thank you so much, Matt Rogers for bringing that into
the world.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
You can attest to this. It was one of the
things we knew was happening in the show for the
longest early time. Like that was truly like a blue
that was part of the blue sky was like Ben
Platt is gonna sing Diet Pepsi, which was a Record
of the Year nominee before we knew he was going
to be performing, and then I was like, oh, that
he should do that. That would be good.

Speaker 1 (14:53):
It was a nominee that we had established early on,
and then Ben was booked.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
And we were so excited that Ben was on.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Of course, yeah, and that was it was the blue
sky on top of a blue sky because it's like, well,
Ben Platt can sang anything and sing it beautifully.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
It was not.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I mean, it's a beautiful cosmic alignment that he sang
that song, but for a minute there it was this
like open question as to what he would sing.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
Yeah, and it was absolutely intended as a joke. I
was like, Oh, he should sing diet PEPSI. That would
be funny, and I bet in the I remember was like,
I think, I bet it's going to be gorgeous too,
Like we'll find a way and then you know Leland
and Gabe Lopez and who are the producers on it?
And did our whole all of our music for the show.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
Bowen and I actually went to the studio the day
that Ben was there and correct me if I'm wrong, But.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I hadn't even really. We had been so busy with
so many other parts of the show that him doing
that song just kind of became like a given. And
so we go there and I remember being so excited
because he was coming. We were going to see him
in the booth, and I was like, Oh, this is
going to be so fun. And then he started doing it,
and I remember I looked at you and I was
just like, wait, is this like the moment of the show.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
And I don't take videos of a lot of stuff,
but I took I recorded one of the takes while
we were there.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I was like, ooh, this is this is something. Brett
was like, you're gonna want this. M Brett Brett Brett.
He's always like that whenever I'm in the studio with him.
He's like, take a video of this, You're gonna want this.
And he was right about this because.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Ben is just in the booth, just shredding and like
the meaning it and so many people know saying they're
listening to the words for the first time, like it's stunning.
Oh no, Addison Tour, by the way, I think there's
a place there's some discourse about like them being deleterious,
like one song sort of eating up another. No, it's
not that, oh Bet having Kelly clarkson the song. But

(16:53):
here's the thing, Like I get what people are saying.
Of course he did Kelly clarkson the song. He covered
the song in a way that like a legit singer
would do it. And but for me, it's just like
what it does is it actually shines a light on
the fact that that song is really fucking doing really good,

(17:15):
and like it has it has a completely different valence.
When Addison Ray herself sings about losing her innocence in
the backseat, you know, like there's like an irony and
but a different kind of sweetness, a different kind of
emotion behind Ben Platt singing it not even irony, like
he fucking earnestly sang the share out of that song.
I just love the journey of it. And I was

(17:37):
talking to him afterwards because he was completely blown away
by the response to it, Like I remember when we
were in the booth that day.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
I turned to him and I was.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Like, you're gonna have to release this, and he goes,
I mean, if there's a demand, like we could talk
about it, but I don't know.

Speaker 2 (17:51):
There you go. And then it became this thing of
you know, it going sort of totally off on TikTok,
And my whole thing was like it was really the
journey of the audience that made it. Because we were
talking and he was like, I feel like to go

(18:11):
into the studio and now put out like a canned
version of it, like we would have to rush that,
et cetera. Let's just put out the live version. And
I was like, that's my favorite thing about it is people.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Discovering the fact that they're moved while it's happening. The
laughs at the beginning of the song from the audience
are actually a really important, yeah, a core coordinate for
the journey of the song.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
I think, well, that like is the culture I remember
like we were putting the show together and I kept
being like the sentence I feel like we were saying to.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Like validate that something should move forward. Was that's the
Cultural Awards, you know what I mean? Like Ben Platt
singing diet Pepsi, which on its face value was funny
to me, which is the reason why it came up
during Our Blue Sky. But then what makes it the
Culture Awards isn't actually sort of work worked right, And
that's like the case for so many things in the show.

(19:03):
And we were just I feel like I can speak
for myself. But after Abrika Dabra I could relax because
we had done it and then we were just watching
it and it's it was trackicking laid Yeah, to your point,
it was a mad libs vibe check. It was yes, okay,
Blank is presenting Blank to Blank, Sasha Kolby is presenting
Best New Artists to Gabby Wendy.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Yes, the Culture Awards, Yes.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Like you know that is that is sort of the
DNA behind the whole thing. I think Matt and I
did mention last episode that we had watched the final
cut together and it was a very wonderful experience just
to like have our arm moment with it before it
got released, because I kept I mean, there were moments
where I felt to my knees it just like I
can't believe what I'm watching and I just and that

(19:47):
sounds a little bit masturbatory for me to say about
my own thing, But like I had gone back from China,
I was not on the edit. Matt really took point
there with Janemun and Lord Mandel, and I mean I
watching it, I was like, holy moly, just like the
I mean, the thing that took me out. The two
things that took me out were Angie Kats Andavus doing
the full victory pose, hands fanned out completely well, being

(20:10):
on while the.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Parthenon was behind her.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
And then the second thing was stupest pronouns, which we
could not post to socials for various reasons. Well we'll
let you guess why we can post them based on
like the IP, but.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
We're thrilled it's in the show because the show, the
whole time, we were like pushing so hard to get
this in and it was the one thing where we
were literally going back and forth like okay, like are
you guys gonna take this away from us at the
last second, like please, please, please please. It was in
Joel Kimbooster and Darcy Cord and nailed that like just

(20:45):
exactly the energy that we wanted to be.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
We were watching it literally Bowen.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Was a multiple time we had to rewind it because
it's just so fucking stupid. I we love it. And
congratulations to Stitch.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
By the way, he is so happy that E's pronouns
are known.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
To the world.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
I love ah and I hope that wherever he is
they're having an amazing day.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
He is having an amazing day. I'm I'm sorry to correct,
he is having an amazing day. Yes, yes, When you
look at it all collectively, it's like you're talking about
like it sounds masturbatory, Like no, here's the thing. We
should love the things that we create, and like I'm

(21:33):
looking at that and I'm being like, I love this,
and the only thing I ever want is to walk
away from something that we create. I create, anyone creates.
I feel like you just want to leave being like
I could not have done it better at this stage
in my life, Like I'm walking away from that. Yeah,
I'm sure. It's like when I watch my special, it's

(21:55):
like now it's been a few years and I look
at it and I'm like, I could do it better now,
but at the time, I could not have done it better.
And I feel like, I know it looks like it's
big budget because we had an incredible team of people
working on it. We did really not have a big budget.
We did not actually have the infrastructure to do that show,
but we still did it because we were surrounded by

(22:18):
people that like believed it and wanted to make it happen.
And to talk about the talent that came to do
the show, like they all wanted to be a part
of it. No one was getting much out of doing it,
just out of you know.

Speaker 1 (22:31):
It just felt like a real team effort that yes,
we spearheaded, and so I can look at it and
be like, yeah, extremely proud of how fucking dumb and
fun that is the thing that I think is pulling
with the budgetary restrictions of it. There's people who were
at a lower rate than they usually would and it's

(22:52):
just because they had this shared love of and belief
in what we were doing, which to me was the
thing that kind of like gave me the drive to
keep going. It was not easy at many stages. It
was challenging just on the body, on the mind, on
the creative sort of like wheels that were spinning, Like
we had to make a lot of we had to

(23:13):
move a lot of puzzle pieces, and the puzzle pieces
were tenfold of on ten tenfold of on tenfold upon tenfold,
because it was okay, who is the available talent and
that was changing all the time, day by day.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
What are the categories that are in play?

Speaker 1 (23:26):
Because those were changing day by day based on the
talent that was available. And then there were sponsorship things
that we had to you know, take care of in
terms of obligations and all these other things. On top
of that, the jokes, on top of that, just the
movements and the writing, and we had to plug this
in can which kind of knocked us on our asses.

(23:48):
That was exhaustic, Like we were going to canon and
coming back and like not being able to get equilibrium
again for like a week and still writing the show.
Big shout out our teachers, and these experience is Liz Patrick,
our director, Jane Munner, showrunner, Lauren Ndell, our co producer,
Olivia Gurky, our manager, EP friend, everyone at linees Gate,

(24:10):
Lauren Lemue, Jonah McMichael, Matt Catty, our choreographer, all the dancers,
all the dancers, phenomenal, Matt Steinbrenner are production designer, everyone
at Pentagram. I feel like I'm giving an award speech,
but everyone at Pentagram. Emily Oberman. I just called him
Pentagon when Josh and Aaron were on the show because
brain feart, but just incredible, incredible people.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
And also I want to say one thing about one
of the dancers. So basically we are, we're running abricadabra,
we're learning it, and behind me are two of the dancers,
Taylor and Hannah, and I say to them, I'm like, so,
who's your favorite because I had heard that.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
A lot of you know, a lot of the dancers
like these are like working dancers. They dance for a
lot of the girls. So I'm like, who's your favorite
person that you've danced for? And all dancers kind of
look at Taylor and she goes, I mean Taylor Swift,
And that's when I realized. I was like, you are
from the aerostur. Yeah, she went by Banks in the aerostour.

(25:14):
She had the long upbraids, and I'm like you I
hit the floor. I was like, are you kidding me
that you're here doing this? You're a celebrity to me, like,
and she was like I was. I of course, I
had a million questions. I was just like, I was like,
what was the best show? But literally she was from
the Arera's door and that gave me strength and my

(25:36):
thing that I put it out that I was like,
Taylor Swift, do you legend I said, she let at
least one other tailor in that in that space.

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Well she went by Banks. Well, of course she went
by Banks. But it's like.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Whatever, you know, you know, like there's It's not like
it wouldn't it would be somewhat reasonable to be like, okay,
you know what, it's actually kind of confusing.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
We can't have another tailor.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
We can't have another tailor, Like, no, have another tailor. No.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
She was great and by the way, those dancers were epic.
Did you see Baden?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Baden did a TikTok about how he because I remember
when my mic puff fell to the ground. Yep, Baden
went in and saved. There's a TikTok of this, and
he is a true professional. And then what resulted was
an iconic shot of Baden lunging across the floor and
while I was doing the afrikadabra arms and iconic and

(26:29):
thank you during.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
That TikTok in one of like just like showing exactly
how like it, just like he incredibly remained in character
while also taking that thing. It was really really good,
poof remarkable, remarkable, Those performances highlights of my life doing
those with you, especially. I don't want to miss a
thing with Lucy.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
Especially, I don't want to miss a thing with Lucy,
who bless her to the heavens on high just so good,
so a dommodating like took the lower harmony, not because
we asked, but because she you know, felt like it
was it was the right thing. And I mean it
was so special to get to sing with her that

(27:11):
she sounded amazing, she sounded great on that. I was
like that running that the three of us in the
Drowsing Room two will be a life memory.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
So many of.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Those, so many of those, so many of those, as
you revealed on the Today Show, which, by the way,
congratulations on another fantastic week with John always Fun. Thank
you Always Fun. As you revealed Gaga the night of
the night of the special, reached out, was very proud
of us and that is that is a life memory

(27:40):
for both of us. Yeah, that was amazing. She was like,
you guys are incredible. And also, you know who else
loved the performance of the thing, Diane Warren.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
We heard that Diane Warren loved the performance, so we're
very pleased.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
We think Diane certainly if she's available.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
For a culture. By the way, shout out to I
got my vocal coach in there, Doug Peck, to work
with us on the songs.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
That's the number one man. That's number one man. Doug Peck,
you legend. Thank you so much for working with us,
for putting us in your schedule.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
You are very in demand.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I think he really he just quantum leaped me into
something that I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
I was able to do.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Can I just say putting this out there, Yes, Leland
and Gablopez Breton Gabe did mix me a little bit.
I don't know about how much they did for you.
Your sounded very raw and clean. Everyone just gets a
little mixed. Everyone everyone gets mixed. I will say people
who maybe not were incredulous that I hit those high
armonies on don't want to miss a thing that was
me and that was that was absolutely him.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
We sang those songs live. I'm sorry, listen, you might
not want it to be true, but it is true.
We did sing them live.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well known fact, well established and documented that Matt Rodgers
is a professional vocalist. I think I have. I have
an ear for harmony that I'm very proud of.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
You have are.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
I told Doug when we were rehearsing, I was like,
but one has one of the best ears, which is
why I'm confident he should be on the harmony because
it's high.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Your voice is higher than you think.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
And I was excited for you to learn about like
because it blew me away when I started working with
the vocal coach about how you really can just allow
the mic to do a lot of work. You don't
have to push just because something sounds big right A
lot of times. That's just like technique and good, good
mic technique. But I was in my mix, like between
my falsetto and my like my quote unquote chest voice,

(29:39):
which I guess is a gender term.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Whatever. That's why I'm putting quotes on it. Oh God,
who who cares?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
But I was in my mix and I was like,
I don't I think this doesn't sound as strong as
if I like gave it full chest, and Doug was like,
and both of you were like, no, keep it there,
keep it right there on the cusp. And then you're
right like, I'm listening to it back, I'm like, oh wait,
it sounds the same, right, It's a game change.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah. Yeah, Like like for anyone out there that's you know,
has an interest in taking voice lesson, I love it.
It's like therapy. It makes you feel confident.

Speaker 1 (30:11):
My my highlight in college I took one through Steinhart
to this wonderful, wonderful teacher and she was she was
a sligh and it was only it was like a
half a credit, but still it was like half an
hour each week. I got I sang I Sang Jesus
incorporated by Wilco and and she and she really like,
you know, she like didn't care about Wilcom, but she

(30:32):
like really like sat down with me.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
She's like, what do you think this song is about?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
God? It's the best though. See I also did at
n Yu Steinhardt. I did the same type of vocal
credit as you.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
And my vocal coach was like a younger guy and
he was a big snob at the time. I don't
know what his deal is now, but he was very
very he was sort of like very superior with me,
and like it wasn't it wasn't a great mix.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Now.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
We actually got into a fight one time, just like
voice teacher who was probably I don't know, eighteen months
older than me, and I think he was insecure about that.
Sounds like you got the better teacher for you.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
For me, a brain fearter, it's not Jesus incorporated Jesus
et cetera. Anyway, Jesus Jesus incorporated his LLC has LLCUS.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
When he comes back one of these days, he's gonna
immediately start influencing, build a brand on TikTok and then
he's gonna have to incorporate and Jesus incorporated LLC. Yeah,
just make his name. Have some statistics about the winners,
so just to sort of go through, Okay. The big
winner of the Lost cult Esays Cultural Awards was Lady

(31:40):
Gaga with three wins Lady Gaga, Album of the Year
for Mayhem, Record of the Year for Abracadabra, and Social
Change Moment of the Year for Gaga Chella Congrats Gaga.
Dylan Ephron won two Cultural Awards. These are his first
two cultural awards, Best Picture Literal Picture for Having his
Butt in the Air, as well as People Magazine Sexiest
Man Alive Welcome to the Culture Welcome. The word Never

(32:02):
won Best Word to Whisper and Best Word to Screen,
performed by Greta Titleman in an exemplary display of how
you say those words both screamed and whispered, but both
equally impactful. Absolutely congratus to Charlie XCX. She continues to
have a great time in her career. She has won
Best Note.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
Ever Sung for Sometimes and the Sweat Tour Award for
Best Indoor Live Performance went to the Brat Tour.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
It actually beat out the Sweat Beat. So sorry, Troy,
you should come to the awards next time instead of
being on a boat in the Balaric Islands. So thank
you for sending in the video. Grief of the Year
and Best Thing We texted our high school friends about.
Both went to White Lotus a winner of two Culture Awards.
Congratulations to White Lotus. Andy Cohen won the Father Award

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and Best Gay Guy Famous. He returns to that winner
circle for that award from two years ago. And in
terms of the major awards, Miss Piggy deserved the one
Artist the Millennium Gabby Windy Best New Artist. Audrey McDonald
won the Team That's Turner Legend Award. It was Seth
Meyer's second year in a row, taking home Best Five
hands down and a lot of first time Cultural Awards

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winners Quinta Brunson, Lisa Rinna, Paige Desorbo doctr Orna Gerrellinik,
Demi Moore, RuPaul Benito Skinner, Meghan Veahee Toad from Mario
Sutton Foster all now Cultural Award winners.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
I mean a name after name, I said, legends and
maybe congratulate Jenna Bushager on her second win for the
Today Show Excellence in the Morning Award, second year in.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
A row, and as well as Angie Katsanevs won her
second Individual Cultural Award for Most Iconic Exchange of Words.
As you mentioned earlier last year, she took home to
Alison Williams Coolgirl Award, which was won by page this year,
presented by a diet Coke clad Megan Stalter, Yes, who
unfortunately was not nominated.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
But Angie also has a group award with the cast
of the Real House of Selic City for the Best
Way to Write with her Bitches Award and.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
The Hags Award for Abbreviated Things to Say.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
So while those you can't really attribute those two Angie,
but Angie was definitely in the Winter Circle alongside Lady Gaga.

Speaker 2 (34:10):
Absolutely yeah, it was a really big.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
Night for Angie and Gaga and Dylan and Andy and
countless other people.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Countless other people. I mean this this and also like
just to speak about like because we didn't talk too
much about it. Page Disorbo probably turned her best look
of all time at the awards. God, that's a feeler
end thing.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Gorgeos Lie Sarana wore Scaparelli on the carpet before wearing
five of the outfits of the Year.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
This was a highlight for me.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
I mean, did she send you flowers? I I don't
know if I've gotten flowers yet because I haven't been
to my apartment in New York.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
It's getting like fully renovated, painted, et cetera. Right now.
But if that's lovely, she she has been. We've been
in contact.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
We've been in contact, and look, don't hustle the hustler
and at least a fucking arena. Just a wonderful night.
Thank you, sincerely so much for watching. It means so
much that you guys even tuned in at all, had
people over to watch with, you, went to a bar, however,
you watched it, and especially if you're international, we know

(35:21):
they're a little bit there. There are a little bit
more roadblocks in then, and depending on where you live,
it might still be hard to access. We are we
are doing our very best to proliferate it as much
as we can. But hey, I was talking about this
to someone earlier this week, like there is something delightful
about like the searching of it, which is not to

(35:42):
like make your lives harder, but it's like I just
was reminiscing on like going to borders, flipping through CDs,
slipping through books, Like there's something about like the crate digging,
which is again not to romanticize how inaccessible the show
might be in your area. It's just that's not so bad,
is that sense?

Speaker 2 (36:01):
No? I also feel like a lot of it taking
place on social media ended up being I just want
to say one thing about Ben, which is, you know
how they always say that like it's an overused expression,
but blank blank, you will always be famous, like they
tend to say that about someone who like no matter what,

(36:22):
like media narrative happens, the ups and downs of really
anyone's career that has longevity in this business, Ben Platt,
you will always be famous because no one can sing
like that. And it's very similar to like Kelly Clarkson,
whereas like lots of ups and downs in her very
long career in public life. And by the way, yeah,

(36:43):
I just want to send and I know Bowen as well,
and I'm sure all of you all of our deepest condolences,
love and support to Kelly whose ex husband passed and
this is has to be an incredibly difficult time and
they've asked for privacy, so we will give that. But
I just want to send all my love to someone

(37:05):
who works so hard and it is such a great
mom and such a hero to me and to so
many people, and I just my heart breaks for everyone
in the family.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I hope that she feels a sense of piece in
terms of the time that she did spend with him
in the in the final months, and a lot of
things were moved around, and I think that was hopefully
that was for the best for everyone involved.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
And we love you, Kelly, We just love you so much.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
And yeah, but just about this is it's like it's
like it's like, you know, any anytime anyone in the
media gets like a hard time and then comes back
because they're just that fucking good.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
And I've been loving seeing that narrative online of just
being like some of you like had fun like ripping
him up when you have the opportunity to. But the
fact is, like, listen to this song, see this performance,
watch him on this show, et cetera. It's like he
has proven it so many times. There are reasons she
was like, I guess like quote unquote away or.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Down or like like narrativize a certain in a certain
fashion were bullshit.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
You know, It's like they always are.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
I mean, like the Zionism shit, no, that was that's
not even a thing. That wasn't like And then Ana
came out and was very vocal about the opposite and
so whatever, and then it's just like there's it just
so happens. It's just this is the way Alison Williams
cool Girl says it. It's just she started on third

(38:39):
base and most other people start at home plate and
so like, and that's and that's and that's just how
it is. And it's not it's not any one person's
fault for like opting in if they have the drive,
the interest, the talent, the work ethic, which I mean,
you know, yeah, we're talking about.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Someone who was one of the best singers on earth.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Like it's and it's not like he's also not an
incredibly lovely and lovely person, so kind, so supportive of us,
always like the best energy, best vibe ever.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
And it was also an incredibly talented actor. Yeah, Like,
so it's just kind of tired and boring to even
like have done this in the first place. But I
guess I'm glad that everyone is, you know, to appreciating
him for what it is, because it's just it's just
so dumb.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
I just think it's worth calling out that, like the
reasons why he's being reappreciated or are built on like
kind of silly things. He is A link later film
away from Winning from Egotting from egotting.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
It's like, that's my thing is. I'm like, it would
be one thing to be like, yeah, sure that person
is NEPO, so they get work. You don't, You're not
just like NEPO, and then like keep getting opportunities and
succeeding to literally the highest standard in your field again
and again and again and again, Like it's that's not
how it works, Like NEPO isn't in the industry plant shit,

(40:03):
Like that's not a thing because if the person keeps working,
it's because people wanted to keep working with them. I
don't know. It just like the surety that people have
out there that they know how things work. It's like,
and I think it's really just because we have so
much access to now everyone's opinions about everything and everyone's
feedback to everything. That makes it feel a little bit overwhelming.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
But it's just like, yeah, this is exactly the way
Ben Platt should be treated by audiences. Yes, speaking of
feedback or forms of feedback, I do want to address.
I posted this reel on Sunday because this thing had

(40:51):
been bugging me for a couple of days about the
way that The Times changed a headline. Yeah, I took
it down because I was like, oh wait, because it
was people kind of for the most part understanding it.
But a lot of people were like, don't give the
haters any gas. I don't think it's that this is
something different. This is me still, I think rightfully, being
a little annoyed at the way that shows like ours

(41:15):
are covered and like this is this is not a
knock on the writer, because it's an editor, as far
as I understand, especially at a place like The Times,
who looks at the engagement on a certain article and goes,
let's tweak this. And the tweak was from the five
moments from the Culture Awards to can just anybody host

(41:36):
an award show with a picture of us?

Speaker 2 (41:38):
You have to click in.

Speaker 1 (41:39):
So like the way this story gets embedded in a
CEO or on Facebook, let's say, or other platforms, is
they just see the headline maybe the byline, but they
don't see the subhead which was, oh but if you're
as funny as Matt Bowen, then yes. But like it's
still even with that compliment, I think it undercuts so
many things. Chiefly, the thing that bugs me the most

(42:00):
is that this was one hundred plus people working their
asses off seven days a week to make this work.
Like we were, you know, Matt and I were fielding calls,
solving problems at like eleven pm on a Sunday or
like nine pm on a Saturday, like like problem solving, writing,
constantly throwing copy away, writing new stuff, shifting things around

(42:21):
a million pieces, We're moving up until the day of
the show. People dropping out. Yeah, it was minimizing. It
was very diminishing, and they didn't care about us enough
to not traffick in this whatever. So it's not that
I'm giving haters gas. It's not that, like no, it's
not that like I'm either of us are above this
or shouldn't address this. It's that like it's also and

(42:43):
I said this in the video, it's like, it's not
groundbreaking that comedians would host an award show, which we are.
We are, we are, I'm sorry at this point, we're
like in our mid thirties. We've been doing this for
a while. I guess seasoned. I said, we have chops,
dare I say? And it's not a coup that an
award show is entertaining all the way through. There's no
need to frame it. You need to frame it this
way of like, well, if can anybody off the street

(43:04):
host an award show? No, also with my with my
chest like fuck the New York Times.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Oh absolutely, I mean, this is the thing is It's like,
you're not It's not even it's not even giving the haters.
Guess it's calling out the paper of record for reducing
themselves to a clickbait headline. I don't want to bring
it to a place of like responding to critics because
we don't have anything to prove literally at all. But
you know, again, like a learning experience, the life of

(43:34):
a show girl anyway.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
The life of a show girl is the title of
this episode going to be the life of a showgirls? Yes,
the life of a show girls? I like with a
capital S. Of course, it's a capital ce bo. I
always say, Taylor speaks to you exactly where you are
in your life. You know who also says this?

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Who says this? Katie Crutchfield.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
She goes, I think that my album really, through Roxahachi,
have been very aligned with Taylor's journey.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
I mean, and I hope she still feels this way.
We'll have to touch base with her, and we'll have
to touch base with Katie. I sent you I sent
you something a little special that we've been wanting to
read on the podcast. So basically just just just as
a background. Oh yeah, Originally we were going to have
all the you know, at the end of a commercial
on an award show, it says coming up, and then

(44:25):
you hear the things that are going to happen after
the break. So originally our idea was to have all
of these be jokes and none of them be real,
because we it was our opinion at the outset that
like literally every single thing that happened in the Culture
Awards should be stupid and dumb and gay and fake
and a joke. We were convinced to and rightfully to

(44:47):
actually sort of you know, say what was going to
be happening in the show after the break, because you know,
it's just better to keep people engaged that way, and
we did have such great talent involved. But yes, we
do have a document in front of us which are
all of our coming up jokes, and so I feel
like Bowen and I will read them now and shall
we just rotate?

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Let's just rote And this is by the way, like
a collective yeah, calling together of jokes written by Matt
myself study Green Celestian and Frank Lespian are wonderful writers.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Assistant katsus Ysowski.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
So this is this is from all of us, So
let's just read days okay. Coming up, A deeply uncomfortable
Seventh Heaven Reunion, A full hot topic segment from the View.
A moment of explicit violence we're all forced to witness.
Perez Hilton has finally tried for his crimes. Ash Ketchum
presents Best Soda, sponsored by Emergency. The Traveling Pants, a

(45:43):
live reading of Under the Tuscan Sun. Barbara Streisand's Cloned
Dogs and Sugar Ray covers the Pokemon theme song as
the Earth collapses in on itself, a duet by Jen
Shatt and Elizabeth Holmes Medusa. Adam Dry throws a big
chair when noona ryder in the Christmas Lights. She is

(46:04):
so back. Glenn Close performs button dancing the Samba fran
Lebowitz and her partner Derek Cuff. The hind Sisters reveal
which Powerpuff Girl they think they are. Christina Aguilera says
ha ha. Florence Pugh realizes it's all a simulation.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
We unfreeze Jane Austen and she shakes her head in
disappointment at the modern world.

Speaker 1 (46:28):
Jennifer Holliday holds a big note.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Moodan got old, so we replace her with someone younger,
fuck her.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Simon Cowell sing sixteen bars of a pop rock song
for head Judge Fantasia. Catherine Zita Jones reads from her
dream journal and it's actually really beautiful. Cynthia Rivo sings
the Thong song. We pass out the scantron sheets for
the test.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Very good.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Mariah Carey sprints six hundred meters.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Jay Diaz wins an Emmy for their earnest comedy Special.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
Black Pink reunites to help each other pitch a big tent.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
The original cast of CSI flops in an escape room.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Jack Schlasberg love bombs Matt and then dumps him for bowing,
and a member of the crew has a psychotic break.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
It's been a lot.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Winnie the Pooh debuts his first pair of pants. Jessica
Chastain kills Bin Laden Doula Peep Princess Peach makes.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Out with Zelda in a win for the male Gaze.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
Anne Hathaway says, Kalma, Kalma, a water break.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
You're supposed to drink ten gallons a day. Rihanna is Smurfette.
Rachel Zegglers a Vita bodyguard.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Please be nice, I know CD, but please be nice.
Please be nice, Please be nice. Emmanuel Matkron gets shoved
by his wife.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
Bowen and Nut play pregnancy Roulette.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
A young Hugh Grant Okay technology the Hoka Award for
Best Actor. The cast of the Labooboo Movie, which is
rated R by the Way.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Tan France looks at a French tuck and goes, you
know what, it's weird.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Patti LaBelle finally finds her background singers.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
Five Little Shop, Seymour's Fight to the Death.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
Tate McCrae teaches the sportscar choreo to the Baby from
Ali McBeal. Harry Daniels turns Blake Shelton's share with Edna
James's I'd Rather Go Blind, an apology from the Big
Bad Wolf, and he does have a ukulele. We play
squid Game, but gentle one of us will get the
severance procedure live one of us. Freaky Friday is with

(48:39):
Nara Smith. We lip sync for our Lives to the
trilogy song.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
A Ferbie comes back to life and no, it does
not have batteries.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
We get makeovers from Lisa Frank.

Speaker 2 (48:51):
JK. Rowling says something normal JK.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Laura Dern tells us it's all gonna be okay.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
The Veggie Tales veggies reveal some nasty secrets.

Speaker 1 (49:01):
We'll show you how to use your step mom shower
a drag. Queen grooms my dog and wow, she looks amazing.
We teach a robot to love and unfortunately also to
love bomb. I guess Megan two point zero is really
into taro. Now the significance of andor explained.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
We found your mom's little book of passwords and we're
gonna read them all out loud.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
Your favorite male comedian gets a diagnosis and it's exactly
what you think. We announced the cast of the Real
Housewives of Upper Darby, Pennsylvania. We make Tom Kalikio a PBNJ,
the ghost of TBS, the first ever facelift on a baby,
and Lauren Bolbert's PEM.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
There you go. Those are our coming ups. I mean fabulous.
Those are really fun. But the thing is like coming
up next. Alison Brien Dave Frankel present the award for
Best Batman Woman Like is one of those so their
works and it were the truth. Our producer Laurum was like,
I just think people might think Adam Driver would come

(50:05):
out and throw a big chair. And I was like,
that's fair, that's reallyzing.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
This already gives us a document. I mean, we can't
do them now because we've already told everybody them, but
like this is like this Actually, I think an exercise
for if we're lucky enough to do this next year
is to start with the coming ups and then see
how many we can actually do.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Oh, I love that. That's our news guy just coming
out with coming guys. If you really want to see
Adam Driver throw a big chair on the Cultural Awards
next year, let us know online. We might be able
to make it happen. There's a lot of lead time now,
so it's not impossible. As you know, we did a
lot of stuff. We did a lot a lot to happen.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
The Mariah Carey one made me think, I just we
haven't really talked about this MC sixteen.

Speaker 2 (50:45):
Here for it all.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
I do just want to say, I want both of
us to really lock in here, and I encourage readers
Kati's Pelpus is finalist Kyles to do this as well.
Let us really cherish this time that Mariah Carey is
back on an album cycle. We don't know, we know
this doesn't happen very often. We don't know when the
next time this will happen. It's been a while since Caution,
and I had spent the intervening years saying when is

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Mariah Carey going to follow up Caution? And now it's here,
and I just really want to point out the fun
that we all had with her being informed that Katie
Perry went to space.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
Yeah, yeah, no she if you, if you, if you
catch Mariah in the right moment, She's gonna give it
to you.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
No, And that that interview has so many I mean, obviously,
the big line is I think I've done enough, which
is still connect.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
I think I've done enough.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
My favorite thing is my two favorite things are where'd
she go to space?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
All right?

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Katie?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
All right, Katie, all right, Katie? I love that supportive
all right, Katie. Wow. I think our Blue Origin two?
Oh yeah, A moment that was also fun going to
space and all it felt like we were there. When
I was watching the opening package, I was like, oh,
we're up in this, Astronauts down Okay, you saw weapons, y'all.

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I you know.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
What, can I tell you the thought that I had
up until the halfway point of the movie, I said,
I can watch this. This isn't so scary at all.
But then and then at the halfway point, if you know,
you know, shit goes down, a certain thing happens to
a gay couple.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Do you want to say spoiler alert and then sort
of go off.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna spoil what I feel.
It feels even I know you will never see this movie,
but it feels wrong to even spoil to you because
these are these are really things that you were meant
to experience in the experience of watching it.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
What is it with gay couples catching strays in these
horror movies? Because didn't this also happen in It Part two? See,
I didn't see it, Okay, so I know.

Speaker 1 (52:47):
For a fact a gay couple like really got it
in It Part two.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
This gay couple.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
It made me for the first time in a long
not since ready Passion of the crew have I had
to cover my eyes.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
It was that bad.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Why the gays, It's it's not because they're gay, It's
just an incidental thing. But I mean, all I'll say
is Amy Madigan, you legend for all time. But this
is just a wonderful ensemble. Ande. I know you talked
to Julia Gardner. Did you talk to Brolin too? When
he was on Today?

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I talked to both of them. They were on Today's show. Wonderful.
What was Brolin's vibe? I love him.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I know.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
He was great, very laid back and honestly, uh yeah,
really really attractive in person.

Speaker 1 (53:36):
Yeah, I mean, but just just wonderful man, wonderful actor,
icon legend. But Julia's fantastic. But like you know, you
don't spend too much time with one character in a
way that really helps and really works. The structure of
it is so cool. I mean, there's precedent for it.
It's very Magnolia, very Rastroman. But I just want to
point out Austin Abrams fantastic in this truly wonderful work.

(54:00):
And I think the most like pulling it quote unquote
polling in stretch in the film. And I say this
because I do want to point out, you know, we
talked about this with Joel can Booster, like really nice
and refreshing for a horror movie to not have an
allegory really nice, because there's been this thing in elevated
horror quote unquote where it always has to map onto something.
I mean, you can make the argument that like this
is about like school shooting.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
Yeah, that's what I've heard.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Yeah, I would not go so far as to say
that it's just a It's just a horror movie for
horror sake, and sometimes that's enough. Not all the dots
have to be connected. It's just a really bang for
your buck, really entertaining movie. And the last I would say,
what ten minutes, fifteen minutes, just the ending of the

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movie are rapturous. I was like, this is the most
fun I've had in the movies in a very long time.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
That's what everyone is saying.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, And all I say is, I don't want to
spoil anything, but the people who shot that lot, the
group of people who shot that last scene must have
had a blast. You can tell that it was some
fun days on set for everyone involved.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
That's all yo. I want to shout out whitmore Thomas Winmer,
Thomas who had fun with a fork in the film
Go Okay, he had fun with a little a little
too much fun, but he was just he was just
so good. But when I when I saw him at first,
I was like, is that wit I was like, oh
my god, that's Whitmer. And then he just has.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
A really really lovely scenes where he's just incredibly You know,
as an audience member, you are immediately invested in him
as a character in the time that you see him,
and then things turn and then you're like, well fuck,
and then uh, just a great movie.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
And Amy Madigan people are people are there's a ground
swelve support for Amy Madigan.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
And you know, I think, did you ever see the
movie she wanted to Oscar for with Gene Hackman, or
that she was nominated for twice in a life time.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
I've never seen twice in a lifetime. No, I have to.

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Say, I'm sort of I have a little bit of
a Madigan blind spot. Are I think you and I
maybe share this. Our first introduction to Madigan was great.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, okay, what was she? Youngers and enemy? She was
Meredith therapist in season four. Yes, she was Meredith therapist.
Oh my god, that's how we know her.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
They have great scenes together.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
I remember that's back. They're really good.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Oh wow, and she sort of gets to go all
the way off. She gets to go all the way
off in the most indelible hairdoos, whether it's wig, whether
it's spoiler alert microbraids, It's like, what the fuck am
I seeing? I heard it's giving like a new classic
villain type. I was watching a couple scenes with her,

(56:37):
and I was like, she's giving iconic cinema, Like she's
giving memorable cinema in these moments like did you tex
to me after and you were like, I really want
you to see this, but I really don't think it
would be a good idea. I don't think you can
handle it.

Speaker 2 (56:51):
I mean, I think, well, how's that? Can I can
I put this forward?

Speaker 1 (56:54):
How would it be if you watched a movie, a
horror movie like this that is gruesome, but by the
end has this like cathartic release moment.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
I've done it before. It's just about, you know what,
let me figure out my anxiety and then we'll get back.
I have a meeting with the psych this weekend, and
I mean this week so you know what I mean,
maybe let's maybe get me on some on some new
tip and then we'll try to figure out how I
cannot internalize things that are happening on a screen and
not in my life. I am pathetic. I do know this.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
No no, no, that's this is not like it is no, no, no,
I should be able to watch this movie. I mean,
I'm going to do it my best.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
You know. The substance was a big leap forward for me,
and I loved it.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
As we all know, I would not say that because
you can clear that, hurl that you can clear this,
and and Joel was like, if you watched Hereditary, you can,
but you didn't. And I think this is a little
bit it's even more just gruesome than Hereditary to me
in some moments. But I just I just want to
shout out. I mean, Zach Kreger, he's two for two
on these like really great innovative. I would say horror

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movies with interesting structure is really interesting turns, whether it's
in the middle of the film or you know, quarter
of the way through.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
And I just love it. He's a he's a comedy guy.
He's like, he's a skitch guys, one of us. And
so really, how many people know how to do horror?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
I mean, like it is, it is in the genes,
it's it's it's you know, tension release or whatever. Not
to be a Heina Gatsby about it, but I'm really
exciting that he's doing the new Resident Evil. He's he's
he's he's doing those and really funny.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Was Weapons funny as well?

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I think there are moments of true like human it's
not like a hard comedy, but there are moments of like,
oh that's really funny. I mean the ending is like
the ending has a lot of fun. That's all I'll say. Well,
you know, I ended up seeing The Naked Gun for
a third time.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
So that was your third.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
Yeah, I've been meaning to see a multiple times to
do because the velocity of the jokes is that I
missed of ten things. So Greta and Abe wanted to go,
and I was just like, I'll go with you because
like if there's there was nothing, I didn't have anything
to do.

Speaker 2 (58:57):
And I was just like, oh, they're going, I want
to go again. Like it's one of those things i'd
be supporting. Kind of a nice little moment for the
box office. I love it.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
This is really good, not for nothing, but speaks to
you know, this idea that more moderately budgeted things can succeed.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
You know what I mean like that. I just hope
I saw a rumor that, like, as a result of
you know, Sinners and Weapons, and you know the success
of these movies that are not attached to franchises, that
there might be a movement towards original stories with lower
budgets like that would be in huge, That would be amazing.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
It would be such an better use of money, time, talent.

Speaker 2 (59:41):
How long was Weapons? Two hours and five minutes? Okay?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
And you I think you can see Cinners low key?

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Oh no, no, no, I'm definitely seeing Sinners.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
I don't think it's scary.

Speaker 2 (59:52):
I'm not. That's one. I just literally haven't done it yet,
which is crazy excellent, and I will before. I'm sure it,
you know, become quite a big topic at the end
of the year. I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:00:03):
But speaking of you, said Austin Abrams. I went to
the concert of Gracie Abrams. Yes, I loved it. I
was there when she did her all too well covered.
I wonder if she knew.

Speaker 2 (01:00:14):
I'm gonna ask. I'm gonna ask her if she knew.
I'm sure she was in the now hmmmmm. I'm gonna
I'm gonna figure it out. But honestly, like vocals, incredible
in concerts. Definitely the most beautiful woman alive.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I can't believe what she looks like on those screens.
I was like looking at her like I was like
breathless the whole time. And her fans I was watching
so many people have like formative coreies.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Like even more than at the erastour. These girls were
holding each other and sobbing. It was so just like
they love her so much, like she's got that. I think, honestly,
Sky's the limit when it comes to because it's the
songwriting right. It's like you can see the girls like
absolutely screaming these songs. It means something to them. He's

(01:01:05):
a great writer, fantastic way. Yeah. No, I loved it.
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
And you know, I'm a I'm a Gracie Ventry's my Benbow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
We have yet to meet in person, but we we
have a lovely text relationship and.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Gracey will come on the show, Grace will there you go? Finalist.
Congratulations to Finalist of the Year, by the way, Megan Fayhee, Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
Megan Faihee a Finalist of the Year winner, And.

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Speaking of Gracey, Andre Hibbert's album is coming out this Friday.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Before we go into I don't Things, so, honey, I
had one thing I wanted to say, which is the
dog Matt Rogers was adopted. Oh my god, and he
looks so happy. He lives in Queens now he's happy.
It brings me such joy that that happened. God, this
week full of great narratives, love that, at least in

(01:01:52):
some regard.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Yeah. Yeah, one of those little things that just made
you happy, and a see of otherwise dark things. Truly, truly, truly, mall.
We hope you're just having a great time at Corona
Park and Flushing or whatever. Just you're living your best
queen's life. Well, the Queens. Don't sleep on Queens, y'all,
don't sleep on Queens. We'll be there soon, will we?

(01:02:16):
Then the Open we'll be at the US.

Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
Oh, we're gonna go to the Open. Yes, what day?
Well we'll talk about what day you're going. We'll talk. Yeah, yeah,
we'll talk. Okay, you're ready for a don to think, so, honey,
I am, okay. This is I don't think so honey.
This is the one minute segment of our podcast where
we take sixty seconds exactly one minute, as it were,
to rail and more against something in culture that we

(01:02:40):
need to dress down. I have something.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey.
As time starts now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
I don't think so honey. No more kind judging on
reality shows. Law Roach has come YaST a Tragic Runway
and showed us all what we've been missing, which is truthful,
harsh judging. The steaks are back when it comes to
assessing reality show contestants, and you know what, it's been time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I have to say, law Roach, we appreciate you coming
to the Culture Awards presenting Alpha of the Year to
Lisa Rinna for whatever the fuck she wants to wear.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
But what really really really has won me over again
with you because you speak for yourself like your reputation proceeds.
Then you come to the show, are lovely and delightful.

Speaker 1 (01:03:25):
And then I turned on Project Runway because I want
to have a good time and I didn't even know
I was gonna have a spectacular time because of the
way you were tearing these people up. And also shout
out to the casting this year on Project Runway. Not
only do we have Utica Queen, but we've got some
big personalities that are getting into it with Law and
Game has met Game. I'm loving this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I don't think so, honey, that it can ever go
back to the way it was Law Roach forever. I
love this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
Thank you for pointing this out, because I think this
is a shared thing. Like we are all very thrilled
about this. I've been meaning to watch the season.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
It's good. And also just like so the way the
first episode of the season ends, by the way, Heidi
Klum is back.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
And so it's like the they're all judging it's Heidi, Nina, Law,
Roach and Christian, which is like feels perfect and so
they go all right, so we have our tops on
our bottoms. But there was a lot of discussion and
there was a debate about it. So then you come
to understand that Law is on completely different pages than

(01:04:26):
everyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:04:27):
Like there was someone who was filling at the top
and he was like, I can't stand this. Look I
hate this.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
It's that and I'm just like wow, like without reservation,
Law is giving his take and like you did see
it on the leg and you saw it back in
the day on Top Model when he actually went too far.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
But now it's perfect because he's Law Roach. Like now
He's a part of the cultural fabric and it's just like,
I'm sorry, but it will be hard to argue with
anything he says because he is the one.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
And I really just also want to point out, OMG
fashion he gives oh god, ral fun quick. I mean,
this is what his like sixth the reality show competition.
This man, this man knows what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:11):
He shows up and does the gig, and he does
it true to him and it is true superstardom. Like
I don't think I've seen a reality show judge like
pop and be this compelling and the show will be
about them since like, and I'm not arguing that this
holds up, but like the very early days of Simon Cowell,

(01:05:33):
you know, and it's not like that he's not cruel
for cruel sake on the runway, but it is just like, no, no, no,
I'm not it's not gonna be smiles in rainbows, like
you're here to compete on the Olympics of drag for
fashion and I'm gonna give it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:50):
I Mean, the thing with Simon is that it's soured
kind of quickly. With Law It's been going on for
at least like seven years now since he's been on
reality shows and then like that compounded with all the
styling work he's done, it's like, okay, like he he's
an image architect, as he says.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Yes, it's surely having an impact in the world in
real time in that industry. Whereas like Simon unfortunately like
clowned himself too many times. Simon is on the record
as saying that Beyonce can't sing and isn't pretty. Like
that's hard to come back from.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
If you're like a talent show judge, you can't say
that at one point and then be like, yeah, I'm
someone to be listened to.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Like he had to go like, you know, America's got talent.
I'm smiling the whole time. I'm actually standing up and clapping.
I'm even dancing in my seat because you know, he
kind of just kind of got invalidated.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yeah, totally, Well, thank you for sharing that I've got something.
Here we go this everyone.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
Is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey, his time
starts now. I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
Letterboxed unlisting the Culture Awards and you know, not letting
that be a place for some wonderful feedback to live.
I mean, I'm sure they have the reasons why I'm
not actually going after a Letterbox.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
We love you, but come.

Speaker 1 (01:07:15):
On, well, for a while there our our bar graph
on the stars. We were up in the fives in
a way that I have not seen in a long time.
But then I think at some point, you know what,
there's just been some existential confusion. Peacock put us on
a show first, and then we're on as a movie.
Letterbox puts us on Letterbox, and then they take us down.
You know what, I love it. Y'all don't know what

(01:07:36):
to do with us, guessing mama, but I just liked
that little moment where people got to go in Letterboxed
and fifteen give their honest opinions about the culture wars,
because people are nothing if not honest on Letterboxed, as
we all know. But you know, anyway, I guess let's
let's have a platform for award shows.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
I can review these things anyway.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Letterbox, come on, put us back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:59):
And that's why minute.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Yeah, we we They didn't know how what to call
us because we were a TV show, we were a movie,
we were on Letterbox.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
We weren't We're really just a comedy special, which I
think ultimately would fall under TV. But I'm not gonna
argue with peacock.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
We think peacock, we always think peacock. Oh no, No, that's
not what I'm doing here. I'm just going you know,
we we defy categorization because what was it? I love
that question just to wait, I'm what I'm realizing is
one thing we missed talking about in our like little
recap there. And this is not to say that every single.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
Person were not indebted to for coming, Thank you, thank you,
but I wanted to shout out to people in particular,
which is Jensen, McCrae and Remy Wolfe. Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
I have loved both of those songs, like for a
long time, and especially with Jensen, just that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
Moment in the show. I'm just so proud that that's
there and Ready brought so much energy in fun and
the live vocal was so sick. They both were amazing,
so good, just that we were a platform where talent
like that could be displayed, and you know, just also
holding Jensen's brother.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Who came and accompanied her on that gorgeous song, like
you really should be streaming.

Speaker 2 (01:09:17):
Her whole album everybody. I mean, it's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
I've been a Remy fan since twenty twenty one, and
I told her since the jump, like photo I d.
I was like, who the fuck is this person? I've
loved her for a very long time. I'm so happy
she's getting more success, especially with her album with Big
Ideas being.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
A year old.

Speaker 1 (01:09:38):
I was like, this, this has this still has life
in it. I'm still listen, I'm still spinning this like
it is a really really amazing album, the best. I mean,
like she's incredibly gifted, as is Jensen, as is been,
as is Lucy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Everyone that performed on the show. I mean that was Yeah.
I just can't believe it even happened.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
And you can still stream it on Peacock, you know,
because like I said, it is a comedy special and
not an actual award show exactly. Hopefully there's more clarity
on what this is for people in the in the
incoming years, just for everybody involved, for people who want
to come to the show, people want to watch the show,
people who want to do the show, and their publicists therein.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
But next week we'll probably have tons to catch up
on about the tailor of it all. Maybe we'll even
have a new song. The Life of a Showgirls.

Speaker 1 (01:10:29):
The Life of a Showgirls. Well, and we're gonna be
in Peetown. We'll be in pee Town. I know we're
going to Yeah, we'll bring our mics. We'll bring our mics. Yes,
I will do that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:38):
We'll have another chaotic Peetown episode, maybe even with a
new Tailor single. Wow that she released it just in
time for Carnival. She knew we're gonna do Taylor Tub.
Taylor's Pea Tub. I love Taylor Tub.

Speaker 1 (01:10:50):
Was it? Taylor Tub was for people who we might
not have mentioned on the pot. It was four hours
of us being stoned out of our bards in a
hot tub on Fire Island, just playing four hours of
Taylor music.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Honestly in our in our truest form. Really yea, truly.
We end every episode with the song to Pass with
the Animals. I don't want just listen to that song.

Speaker 1 (01:11:40):
Doesn't watch the Culture Awards, but.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Last Culture is. This is the production by Will Ferrell's
Big Money Players in the Heart radio.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
Podcasts, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yek,
Executive produced by Ana Hasby, and produced by Becker Ramos,
Edited in mixed by Dutch beans and our.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Music is by Henrik Firsky.

Speaker 1 (01:12:00):
I stood with me