"The Twins Are Fighting Again" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Look, oh, I see you my own look over there
is that culture? Yes, goodness lost culture dang Joon lost
Culturista's calling Bowen and I are in conflict or not
tag shall even though we could be no, please, I

(00:21):
can't say you try. How are you feeling after the
super Bowl? Well?

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I missed a lot of it, but I am a
little bit rattled. Honestly.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Why what happened that rattled you? It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm not to talk politics, but it's crazy that like
our president is going after yet another pop star.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
He loves it. He loves to, of course with pop
stars and awards bodies, like I said, as if they're individuals,
and he gets off on it. So how many times
is he tweeted about Taylor get a lat I'm not
keeping track of it on Twitter or on truth.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
So I just know that like he's reveling in it,
and like if you could go back to two thousand
and nine and be like, go to the VMA's and
be like, Taylor, this is what's gonna happen to you,
Like yay, sorry, dead named Kanye, I get there.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
I did it again.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
You're gonna buy out and add at the dentist to
go to easy dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
So for people that don't know there was this insane
Kanye ad that he had bought, it was just him
like really out of it, like telling people to go
to easy dot com. I have to say, like, does
he still sell close? Is that still his thing? I'm
not sure. I don't even know what his deal is anymore.
I'm just afraid of it. Hey guys, this is Matt.

(01:39):
I just wanted to jump on here very quickly and
say that this episode was recorded before we found out
what Kanye West was selling on his website. Obviously, Bowen
and I had no interest in actually logging onto easy
dot com, and so it wasn't until much later, a
couple of days later, that we found out what exactly
he was selling, which was t shirts with swastikas on them.

(02:01):
So that's obviously fucking insane, and our sentiment, as always
is fuck Kanye West, and I just wanted to make
sure that we made that totally clear so that you
didn't think we were being glib or dismissing the situation
as like anything other than what it is, which is
fucking disgusting. So back to the episode, just wanted to
jump on and clear there. Bye.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
I think something broke the way that Sarah Sherman talked
about David Lynch and how he used the Adam bomb
as a way of talking about humanity being broken and shattering,
like there's something shattered culturally. When I think when that
moment happened is yeah, that's the origin point.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Yeah, so much of what's.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
Happening now yep, for like this brook to diverge in
the wood, Oh in this way, you know what I mean?
Like like that, that was a very fateful night. You
have so much clarity. No, I know I can only
call it post not clarity. No, because I know you
got the nut yesterday. How do you know you told

(03:08):
me so we are not going to do this.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
So this was what we were in conflict about before the
episode started. Bowen just no longer wants to discuss his
personal sexual exploits on the podcasts discussed in Shit. He
is rolling around like a pig and shit. He's like, Tate,
it's okay, I'm okay. Like imagine like Bowen just and
it's cocks all around. It's okay, I'm okay. He's turning

(03:36):
down the cock. He's saying, it's okay, I'm okay, because
he's so inundated. Well you know the origin of that phrase.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
But she was in the studio and they were like,
you know, it's around meal time, like let's order some food, like, Tate,
do you want anything?

Speaker 1 (03:48):
And she kept saying it's okay, I'm okay. Really, that's
because she wanted to keep working. She wanted to keep working,
she says, she is. This is the thing.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
This is someone who holds all three of her titles
very seriously, seriously singer, songwriter, dancer. Yeah, nothing takes over.
It's a very well balanced, you know, triangle a plane
as it were.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
And Tate McCray will be on the podcast in two weeks.
We're very excited. And what you just did right there
was amazing for two reasons. One it provided new information
about Tate that I didn't know, and then too, I
deflected it, and two was a misdirect. It was a redirect.
It was a deflection and a project.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, when was the last time you talked about your sexploits?

Speaker 1 (04:27):
I actually have an announcement. I'm no longer bringing my
sexploits and personal life to this podcast because I'm genuinely
out here dating again and so I don't want anyone
to know how I how I like. I don't want
to say one thing and then someone think it's about them, right,
because now I've had that happened recently. I've had that
happened recently.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
Where I was I was on our good friends Patent
Cats podcasting treatment and was talking about someone, and then
another person thought that I was talking about them.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Oop. Ali, it's Amelia Badelia vibes. It's like in Sister
or Sister when they would both when they would have
to switch. I got my own mind, my own stuff
in my own time. Yes, just like should we reboot? Yes,
that actually should be our show. It's a sister sister
rebort twins when we played twins, and the conceit is

(05:19):
no one can tell us a part because we're twins.
Well you know this is this is an interesting glimpse.
Of course. Matt and I wrote a show for ours
Nova anfest called Night Soap, and it was originally something else.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
It was originally called and this was conceived back in college.
We were like we were just on some different ship
back then. Because Matt came up with the title the
Twins are Fighting Again.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
A gay fantaga with themes, a gay fantasia with themes
with themes where we did play twins, and then we
did end up like we always wanted for the show
to end in a space battle, which ended up being
the thing that carried over into Night Soap. You know
that I still have notebooks full of like plot ideas
and joke ideas and twists for our show. The Twins

(06:05):
are Fighting Again. Really, yes, I think it's Twins Are
Fighting Again is title of app The Twins are Fighting
Again Now. So we eventually did create media that was
the Twins are Fighting Again, which was this podcast or
you mean Nightsope, I'm just saying it. Ultimately, we did
it because we will release this episode. It will be
called The Twins Are Fighting Again with Matt and Bowen.

(06:25):
So don't let anyone tell you it's not possible that
you're kind of hey, a half baked idea can't come
through later. It can show up in any form. It
can show up in any form. Yeah, but we didn't
end up doing it. We did Night Soap, which maybe
Night Soape will see the light of day. I still
believe in Night Soap has some sort of entity. I'm

(06:47):
really proud of Nights because we tore. We tore.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Not only did we tear, but we really gagged the
girls with a plot twist at the end.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
You know, I almost died that night. What do you mean? Okay, No,
it wasn't that night. It was for your You did
another show at Ours Nova, yes, and I did. So
there was time in my life there was what would
you call this was like an eight to ten month
period of my life during pap Roulette and that Hu
where I was doing death drops on stage. Yes, you
were doing a lot of and you were very good,

(07:17):
but yeah, I was describing it full leaps into the air,
like no training, just me visualizing in my head and
watching drag Race how it should be and allowing myself
to fall on the ground. But this was my entire
late twenties, and during that I forget what it was
you were doing some I was doing. Yeah, I forget

(07:37):
our showgasm or something. It was showgasm. Yeah, you were
hosting something or performing one some one person show. And
I came out and did a death drop, and afterwards
I was told that my neck almost Hilary swank million
dollar baby on a chair.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Can you imagine, man? Oh my god, I'm so sad
even thinking about that.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
It would have been really awful. Had I Hillary Swank
million dollar baby because I thought, let me do a
death drop. Imagine explaining that to my parents. I am
to have done it. I would have had to have
done it.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I would have been in a police outfit for some reason,
in a police outfit. I just imagine being in a
quote unquote police outfit knocking at your parents' door telling
them that their their son had passed away.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Okay, let's check it out. I'm Katrina. Oh my god, Ritchie,
it's Bowen. Hi. What are you doing here? You look
so cute? Miss Rogers, I'm miss Rogers. Are you? My
name is Officer Yang and I what's happened? Oh no,

(08:49):
you'ren like this at all. Your son was doing a
show gasm was a guest on a I don't understand
a show gasm show that it's there, don't know showgasm.
It's at ours Nova, which I don't like the title. Really,
Oh it's a play on the words orgasm and show.
Well I understood that part. So what happened? How was

(09:13):
the show? It was mid?

Speaker 2 (09:15):
It was a mid well oh sorry, So in about
ten years.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
That's going to be a term that people use, so
sort of in the middle, sort of not so good,
not so many. Well, you know, you do lots of
great shows, but we love coming to the shows.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
In this moment, I'm sorry, sorry, mister Rogers. In this moment,
I am a Katrina. You've always called me Katrina some reason.
I've taken it upon myself to be a police officer for.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
You, but I support you. We love the police. My
mom doesn't say how my mom feels back. Your son
Matt did a death drop. Oh no, and he Hyla
recently a million dollar baby has had on a chair
won the boxing match. I only saw the first forty

(10:01):
five minutes of that movie and fell asleep. What happens
at the end? Is your husband around? Can I come in? Yeah?
Of course, come in?

Speaker 2 (10:11):
And oh man, you are so embodied in Katrina.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
I know her better than she fucking knows herself. Oh
my god, do you feel I feel like you? You
are that way with me. Sometimes you know me better
than I know me. I here's what I'll say. I
know your energy sometimes without even being in the room.
I literally know exactly how you feel at all times.
I know I lost. Yes, I usually have like some sense,

(10:38):
oh my god, what the temperature is at all times,
so like whether you're okay, you're okay or not.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Like what was the last time you tried to like
really channel into into like my mind.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
I mean I literally walked in today, looked at you
and said, what's the matter? No, that's a whole separate thing.
It is a whole separate thing. I was having a
conversation with Engineer Doug. Engineer Doug and we were talking
about something heavy, and I come in the room and
I saw but I don't even know how to describe it.
There is almost like a it's like a it's like
a resigned yearning. It's like, oh, I said, what's the matter? No,

(11:17):
I was listening to the conversation.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
I was listening to your conversation as you guys walked in,
and because it was dovetailing on a conversation that I
was having with Engineer Doug as well about the same
heavy topic. Yes, yes, we're dancing around this. It's not
it's not anything bad. It's just it's a thing that
you know, it's something bad. It is right, it's something bad.
It's just not something that should be.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Do you mind if we if we share, Like Okay,
so Doug experienced lots of pain because of the fires.
His neighborhood is has taken quite the beating, and we're
thinking of him, and we were just checking in with
him and again reaching out to everyone out there who
is It's so odd sometimes when I feel like the
world moves on, you know what I mean, I can't

(11:58):
stop thinking about this. Yeah, Like it's like I remember
when I was little, Like my great grandfather passed away
when I was twelve, and I remember I had this
moment where it was like it was like mid November,
it was cold on Long Island, and we were at
the funeral and we get in the car and we
turned on the car and I remember, like so loudly,
like pop music started playing from the FM radio, and

(12:19):
I was like, it's so crazy that the rest of
the world is still listening to pop music, and like,
you know, it's going to be a sunny day today
or it's going to continue, like the world's going to
keep going in this way despite this tragedy, and I
can't imagine how it must feel to have the entire
world pivot and like send you condolences and like, obviously

(12:42):
it's been a lasting topic in the news because it's
such a tragedy and so much has befallen that region.
But the moment where it feels like everyone else moves
on to the world keeps turning.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Of course it must. It's still well. It just makes
it impossible to go between like feeling this interior kind
of like mourning and loss and like how do you
cope with that like from within and then try to

(13:13):
engage with the world in a way that like isn't
totally devastating, because it's like, oh, the world does spin
on and you're like, yeah, what does this mean?

Speaker 1 (13:22):
I wish I could specifically remember what song it was
that was playing, because you know, it was dumb? Is
it what yours? This? It was two thousand and two,
So let's think about November two thousand and two. Ken,
are we that good at culture? I'm gonna say a
shanty foolish foolish? No, I hope it was. Oh, that's
the thing is like, I feel like if it was

(13:43):
a Shanti Foolish, which by the way, is a great song,
is that on the Great Global Songbook? I don't think it.
I don't think it has. We might have to do
a new list that might be nominated. What Foolish by
Ashanti might be nominated. Wow, I don't know a category,
but it might be nominated. You we have to we
have to do what days that you and heard the

(14:06):
HU take no more keep Wow?

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I mean we can't officially say it's nominated yet because
there are meetings involved.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
No, there's so much meetings involved now more than ever.
There's meetings, meetings involve let's just say the Cultural awards.
There's meetings involved. There's meetings involved. That's all. That's all
we can say. You are why are we multimedia?

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Because this was this is all this is what you
are pushed to do these days. You have to be multimedia.
I didn't ask to write a book, but they asked
us how.

Speaker 1 (14:42):
Did that go? Did we ask to write it or
did they ask us? I think we always wanted to do.
We always wanted to write a culture. Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
I I'm cooked, and so I don't think I could
write like I'm like Rules of Culture is the perfect
book project for me and us. But I'm saying my
brain because I I don't think I could write down
a single thought or depiction of my experience in like
a memoir form. If I were to ever gun to

(15:10):
my head have to do that, you literally could.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
But I at the same time, I do think it's
good that we're sort of entering the book space with
like not training wheels, but we get to do it together, yes,
and we gets to do this thing that's going to
have like such a fun container. And so it's practice
for your incredible, revelatory, searing, trench trenchent provocative sexual at

(15:38):
times if you ever open up, because here I am
trying to get you to open up about your goddamn
sexual exploits. But it's like trying to milk a stone,
shouldn't you think so? Especially really culture number eighty eight,
trying to milk a stone is a real that's that

(15:59):
real expression. I was talking to my girl the other
day and I was trying to find out what we
were doing this weekend, and it was like trying to
milk us. Yeah. Wait, I get what you're saying. Should
the episode should title of that be to milk a stone?
Instead of the twins are fighting again to milk a stone? Well, okay,
now we're giving too much shine on to milk a stone.

(16:20):
You know what I wish we could do what have
the reader's vote for this title of thing. But we
can't because that's not it's not going to chronologically logistically,
it doesn't make sense. I get so frustrated when there
are chronological or logistical limits. Yeah. I've been like that
since I was little. What was the first time travel

(16:41):
narrative back to the future the future? Which if they
ever come to me and ask for my letterboxed, Yeah,
that's up there, I'm saying forwards back to the future.
You see me have to check that it was for
Oh I would have had to check. We all have
to check sometimes. Thank you for that. So Back to
the Future is a great film nineteen eighty five released. Yes,

(17:05):
who knew that they would know so much about how
the future would go? Flying cars? Yes? Actually, what if
you I've watched that movie, if you watch Back to
the Future Part two again, it's actually kind of freaky
because because what's his face as president is Biff turns
into tru when then he becomes president the world's destitute.
I'm like, tell me what you're like?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
How which was like, how do these people who make
stories and make up fictional things sometimes they do know. Well,
it's actually, you know, it's not that hard to think, Like,
I don't know. All I keep thinking about these days
is Final Fantasy vin. I'm like, how did they know?

Speaker 1 (17:46):
What happens in that?

Speaker 2 (17:47):
It's these people become eco terrorists because the government is
literary corporation and that's what's happening now. Sorry, it's like
our entire government is now being bought by private equity.
In a sense, it's crazy, like the concept of like
a national border is not going to be a thing
very soon. It's like it's just going to be a
big corporation. And that's literally the plot of Final Fantasy seven.

(18:08):
This energy company called Shinra is sucking the light that
the planet's life energy dry, and you are a band
of eco terrorists trying to stop Shinra. But then you
have to stop this insane super warrior named Sepharoth who
wants to.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Destroy the You've brought her up before.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, because I told you that she was voiced by
Lance Bass and Kingdom Hearts.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Now, okay, are we saying she isn't like like referring
to Sephrov as like a big, bad gay guy.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
No, Well, Sephroth could be read as queer for sure. Seriously,
there's no like romantic interest, Like Seth is not romantic
in a way. Sepharrov is like an ace kid. Do
you think that if.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
They did Sepharrov's backstory and we find out that actually
Cepharroth was queer and maybe it was not so easy
growing up, that he would be a sympathetic character eventually
gain sympathy for Sepharoz Oh, you understand, maybe you do.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Have sympathy for Sepharath in the story, I will say,
because he is. He starts out being this heroic warrior
that cloud Strife idolizes and the whole world idolizes. Really
it's Cephroth. He is a great, a warrior of great renown.
But then he learns of his origins that he was
created by having allegedly well it's it's so complicated, but

(19:26):
he discovers that that he was quote unquote created by
having the cells of this alien creature named Genova injected
into this woman named Lucretia, and he has a psychotic
breakdown because he's like, well, Genova is my mother, and
I have to destroy the planet because it you know,

(19:46):
Genova wants to it's so complicated, so.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
A lot about family lineage and what is expected of
you clouding the judgment. Absolutely, Do you believe that if
Sepharrov could have just been a normal gay guy that
he would have been happier?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I don't think Japanese so it's a Japanese game. Japanese
culture has not fully grappled with queerness in the way
that Western culture has. And that's not a knock on it.
It's just I'm doing a lot of conjecture. No, I
think you're asking such important questions, and I think it
would be a better game if there was an explicit
queer narrative put in.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
So what you're saying is you think that if Japanese
culture was only at the place that American culture is at,
like if they had really grappled with queerness and they
could have injected that into the story of Sepharov, that
we as a world's culture could understand sephar Off more
and therefore we might have more of a sympathy for him. Perhaps.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
And I will say, and I do want to walk
back something and say that it's not that there's a
notion of catching up that japan has to catch up
to Western culture in terms of qoerness. In many ways,
they've been pioneers. Of course, there's the Sailor Stars. There's
a huge, very trenchant transnarrative in that. Oh it's this
boy band. When they turn into the Sailor Stars, they

(21:02):
turn into women.

Speaker 1 (21:03):
So we could learn from Japanese culture about how to
always people always well, you think that we should do
more like they do. And I would encourage you to
go visit the nation of Japan. You know, I want
to go. I know you do well. After you came
back and had such a wonderful time, I thought, that's
the next spot for me. I thought, let's go to Tokyo.
What would you want to do in Tokyo?

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Mmm, I think you will have a very Stefani esque
Gwen Stefani esque sort of journey there.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
You will visit Harrisha, I come back even more problematic,
When have you ever been problematic? I ask this genuinely. Hmmm, truly,
I'm like, when have I ever been problematic? Probably in
the ways normal white gay men are, in the ways
that everybody is. Yeah, but let's just say it like
a problematic. It's like I think I'm not I don't want,

(21:51):
I don't actually want to explore this. Well you brought
it up. No, I'm do you try to burn me
on this episode? Yes, what you did? You came in
here and you said, I'm gonna get them. You once
and for all. You've been so combat up, combat it
even this.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
We had we had Microsoft teams meeting this morning, and
Matt was in the middle of this. It was like
twenty people and Matt was in the middle of this
great run and I just wanted to quickly add something in.
And then Matt, you know, in a very interesting way, said,
don't that was you.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
I wasn't talking to you. Someone else was trying to tech. No,
you were talking to me. No, it wasn't. I'm telling you.
I can't say the person's name, but someone someone there
was like and I felt them do that, and that
was what that was? What was the word choice exactly?
It was, don't do this, let me finish? It was
I think it was I think I think what I
said to this other person was just one second, just

(22:44):
one second? Is really charged?

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Just one second? I wasn't when you know it's not
going to be just one second?

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Excuse me? What was it? Six seconds? First of all.
Now it wasn't you that I was doing about too.
But now I'm pissed you tried to cut me off
through Microsoft Teams meeting.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
First of all, well that's this is my I don't
think so, honey. Oh what oh no, no, not you.
It's just just the platform, Microsoft Teams. I don't understand. No,
we need to save it.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
It is. Actually I came in with this in the pocket.
I'm happy that you did. I didn't have anything today.
Life's been so good, everything's been great. You look great
in this cardion. By the way, thank you. This is
one of my favorite things. It's from Corridor. I love Corridor. Yeah,
I really like them. They're really good. Oh look but
I've buttoned it incorrectly. That's okay, you know that that

(23:36):
horrible feeling. No, it looks even. It's good. It's even.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
You know what Qurridor is good at everything, knits, sweaters.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
Sweaters, flannels. Gay and straight can wear, yes can. In fact,
sometimes you go in there and I can only describe
the atmosphere from people that work there as gay or
super friendly, great guys, And you leave being like all right,

(24:05):
all right, yeah I do leave Qurridor thinking God, I mean,
if we could all just come together at corridor. Yeah,
you know who's a straight guy that I Actually it's
worked on me. You know what I'm gonna say, Remind
me Dylan Efron from The Traders. Oh, we love Dylan.

(24:26):
I love the vibe. I love the vibe. It's just
a sweet boy. You see that one picture that floating
around online about him with his booty in the air. Oh, yes, sure,
we should literally put it up on the back wall
and just like have that be the thing for lost co.
Can you look up Dylan Efron booty. Yeah, and then
the airwife you're google search history later, Dylan Efron asks

(24:50):
in air he's in like the water or something. You
gotta look at it.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Oh, I've seen this picture. It's very Tate mc cray coded,
very Tate m cray coded. I'm excited to truly finally
see what she looks like Tate Tate, because you know,
on Iconic four hundred we were singing her braces. But
my bit back then was she's just moving around so much.
Still want to see your beautiful face. You want to
see a beautiful face. And of course this is all
in jest. We love Tate and she's a beautiful girl,

(25:16):
and she does have a history of sitting still and
being still.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
We're about to we're about to have a conversation with her. Yes,
sing a little song for us, Sam McCray hands, This
is a bop. It's a great song. How you doing
over there with that gay search? What do you think?
All right? Now put it up here. Now, I know
it has to be a certain frame rate or something.
We're gonna look at this. Whatever it is. Frame rate.

(25:40):
You can't get it up here. You can't get it
up it's on the drive. Then bring your computer over here.
We'll just show it to the camera. Show it to
the camera. Okay, So this is the picture. This is
a sort of famous picture of Dylan Efron. Now I'm
going to zoom in George. All right, so this is
what we're giving. This is good stuff. And now why
would that man do that if he wasn't trying to tease?

(26:03):
And I'm okay with it and bait a little well,
you know, he's he looks like a skilled, skilled boy.
This is back arch culture. I mean, this is a
great picture. This is an amazing photo.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
There's such a confidence in that pose, yeah, that it
makes you wonder and I And it's not like a
This is not a panic situation.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
It's just like embrace it. The eyes are locked on
the camera to the national The eyes are national geographic eys.
You can only describe this as Tate McCray coated, of course,
it's actually real culture number ninety. You can only describe
as Tate McCray coated. Yeah, okay, thank you, Doug. We'll
return the laptop. I'm not ready to give it up.

(26:44):
Oh give it great. By the way, there was that
one scene of he comes over to take it. I
say no, No. There was that one scene of Dylan
Efron and Tom Sanderval walking up when they were in
like when they were a couple. Yeah. Spoiler alert for traders.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
There's a duo challenge and Tom Sandaval and Dylan in
front are a duo in the challenge.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
And they're like a married couple. They're both dressed up
and got you. It worked on me, unfortunately, the redemption
of Tom Sanderval. No, there's no redemption. There's no light
in that man's nose. The redemption is not working on me.
I'm still oh please about Tom, But I will say
when I watched him and Dylan e Fron walk down

(27:28):
the aisle together.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
I had thoughts, well, that was just the idea of
two men walking down the all of.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
The am I that horny?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
No, I've been okay, I'm about to get vulnerable.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
That's what I've been wanting from it. It's not this
is the vulnerability the judges have been looking for, But
this is maybe what you're getting out does Sometimes I
can just kind of get there by just thinking about
the idea of two men kissing. I will say this
that makes sense. Yes, I would rather watch men make
out than do anything else. Well, all this other stuff
that they're doing on each other, then go to war.

(28:05):
Can I say I agree with you. I'd so much
rather watch men kiss than go to war.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Whoever did that mural in Berlin of whatever was it,
like Henry Kissinger and No Gorbachev making out or whatever?

Speaker 1 (28:18):
That Berlin mural is just done that. They should have
just done that. Can I say something about these warmongers?
They would love get sex like it's so fun and
once you get over the hill of like the pain
or whatever, like you're gonna love the way you look.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I guarante, I guarantee you this is my thing not
to talk about the gender binary too much, but I think,
of course never we were talking. I was asking about
Jalen Hurts last night during the Super Bowl, and one
of our friends there was saying how he has like
an all female team basically love that manager, publicist whatever,
all women, and like he was asked about that and

(28:54):
he was like, yeah, I was raised by a strong mother,
and women are just better at their jobs and they're
just better people. And I was like, see, this is
the thing, and I thought, oh, sure, like because an
all male team would be like just all so much energy,
so much like pent up something where I'm like, I
mean not to say gay guys don't have their problems,
but you are. There is a nice release of the valve. Well,

(29:15):
they're constantly releasing valves. Yeah, not even necessarily on the weekends.
Sometimes it happens Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. My gay guys
or straight guys, can I say I released.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
The valve on Friday day? That's great. My new thing
is I love a daytime, weekday hookup. And I understand
a lot of that's they're nine to fives. But for
those who have an alternative schedule talking to all my
gay podcasters out there. Daytime hookup is actually so good
because you have a lot of energy. Yeah, you haven't

(29:46):
eaten a lot yet that day, right or at all?
And I just like cooking up when I can see
the daylight, when you can go to a show. After
hooked up the other day, me and the guy when
got a sandwich? What? I just pitched it. What sandwich?

(30:11):
Did you get? Such a good sandwich? Actually, this part
I can be specific about. It was an insane It
was like a spicy pesto chicken sandwich that you could
never eat before you bottom during the day, but post
bottoming during the day. Roll up your sleeves. We're eating
spicy chicken. We're eating and fisting you. I didn't like

(30:37):
that language at all to the elbow. But were we
talking about that that came out? No, we were talking
about Oh, we were talking about someone we found someone
loves someone, we found out likes to be have this
sexual activity. It's on their menu, which is fisting. Yeah,

(31:01):
And I kind of just said but madd really dropped
into a character and he was like and he just
really he like mined it. I think we went we
were like a glove because they were talking about how
fisting begins right where.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
It's like, you can't have to go with with fingers
like this. It's gotta be like Italian hands, like when
you hold a pen, right, this is how you hold
a pen.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
No, I hold a pen weird, you see me? Right?
I have smudges all over this part of my hand
when I write thoughts on this. I'm a writer who
writes like a lefty. That's why.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Well, a lot of great writers hold their pen in
a fucked up way, like yourself, Sylvia Plath, Sylvia Plath,
isn't it so curious anytime there's like a great artist
who like holds their pen like this, I'm like, Oh,
that's why I.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Loved the way you said. Isn't it so curious? Like
it's just the way you tossed that, Isn't it so curious?
Any good documentaries lately? You know what I just watched?
He Yeah, we haven't really talked about Peacock. Thank you, Peacock.

(32:16):
The only people saying the truth, Yes, people with journalistic integrity.
These days, it's only Peacock out there saying the truth.
It's only Peacock out there saying that this is a
coup this is the coup. They're not saying that. People
really aren't saying. People aren't saying it. Like did you
see that crazy as interview that Christine Nome did. By

(32:37):
the way, Christineome, I believe, I forget what's coming about.
But she's she's she's she's security, she's Homeland Security.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
She's the one who shot her dog because it was
annoying and then gotten glammed before the ice raids in
New York. Yeah, so she was I think with Dana
Bash on CMN being like, we can't trust the government,
And Dana Bash was like, you are the government.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Can't trust the government, Like, what are they going to
say now that they can't say the problem? The fault
is entirely with the.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
That's them saying we are just here to dismantle right
right right right?

Speaker 1 (33:11):
What I mean? Okay? Cool? But it's like, but then, like,
where does that authority come from? Anyway? You know what
I love about all this? It's making eggs cheaper. You're
not to live about all these executive orders like totally
changing the.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
Price of milk and thank god, the ten trans athletes
in the United States can no longer compete.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
What are we talking about and you know progressive media
is falling apart too.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
You were telling me about this drama between the young Turks. Oh,
the young Turks is in shambles. Well it's oh god,
it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Like just to watch them make like a right word swing,
to watch a on like Jillian Michaels' podcast, it's crazy.
Jillian Michaels is out is out here with the right
wing podcast. This is my impression of Jillian Michaels on
her podcast. Yeah, yeah, biggest loser Jillian Michaels. Yes, she

(34:04):
opposite direction us Bob Harper. Bob Harper went to the
Truth and the Light, which is Peacock the Traders. Jillian
went swinging right podcast? What was? How did we get
on this? I don't know how we've gotten on a
single thing we've talked about today. It's been one of
the documentaries. Oh we didn't talk about Didty. We haven't
talked about Ditty on this podcast, and do we have to?

(34:25):
Maybe not? Maybe we don't. What's the papists? But the thing, Okay,
this is what I think we can say about Ditty.
When you really look back at like making the band,
and you really look back at all of the media
that we have of him pretty much everything. It's kind
of shocking that no question was asked about the way
he treated anyone in his orbit, because it was an

(34:45):
exclusively abusive and totalitarian but his version of he's an
abusive narcissist, which might feel like it's a redundant thing,
but it's like he was always very good at the image.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
And of course, if you watch any isolated episode of
making the band, you're like, fuck, that's a monster. But
then like after this club shooting that Jalo was that,
it's like that's so that's another crazy thing. After that
club shooting, and after he was acquitted because he had
fucking Johnny Cochran on the horn, like, yeah, he really

(35:23):
like cleaned up the He like took years off, cleaned
up the pr changed his name to Diddy from puff Daddy.
Like he was always really good at like shifting the perception.
And you know, and even when even last year when
like you know, Cassie filed the complaint in the and
the civil suit, like he was denied tony, deny, and

(35:44):
then the video came out of him in the towel
like chasing after her and beating the shit out of
her when that video came out, he goes on live
or he just releases some front facing video being like that,
take full response, takes full responsibility.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
I've listened to a lot of podcasts about narcissists in
the past couple of years and just trying to understand
this behavior, and it's anything they can do in a
moment to get to shirk responsibility or to to just
like another tactic is I'm going to say out loud
the thing that's wrong about myself so that I can
claim it as a victim narrative and no one can

(36:20):
say it about me. Right Like these people when they're
put into a corner. It's not always the Trump thing
of like you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. There's other
also another narcissistic tactic, which is I'm going to make
myself seem like such a pathetic victim and like say
all this stuff about myself so that actually everyone else

(36:41):
is rendered speechless because I've already said it. They have
no intent on actually changing, but they need everyone to
know that they're aware, because wouldn't it be crazy if
they weren't. That's like another tactic that you see.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
I I was going to connect a Dot to housewives,
but it see, oh yeah, it's giving that right.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I think that it's insane to compare her to Diddy. No,
I mean no, but I do think like I actually
I have felt pretty triggered because you see all these
like narcissists getting away with everything. It's like, I'm sorry,
but you watch the super Bowl the other night. Trump
comes out to all of this applause and all of
this fanfare while the world gets expeditiously worse by the second.

(37:25):
And then you watch like all the commercials and it's
like Casey afflecks back in a super Bowl commercial and
like Tom Cruise is still Tom Cruise, Like he's not
the figurehead of a cult, you know what I mean.
It's like it's very frustrating. And then I turned to
the room and I was like, this is kind of crazy, right,
and someone was like, straight, white men are back, They're back.

(37:46):
And then there was that bud Light commercial. The over
correction there is wild, right, It's a lot. It's like, Okay,
we really are making a big pivot back to like
not just a conservative mindset, but like a truly like
fuck off to anyone that's tried to make us feel
badly for being who we are, a straight white men.

(38:08):
It's like that wasn't even what happened. All we wanted
was like for there to be some accountability about the
pain that's been caused by a straight white man only
ideology for this long. Like they're just upset that people
have a voice now, and so it's like that was
one thing, but then it was like when media included
people and tried to make everyone feel included in like
a you know, consumerist way, that's when they really had

(38:33):
had enough. Sure, yeah, like you can't be in our
bud Light commercials? Yeah not bud Light. Right, Well they're back.
So they're back. So what happens now to last coach?
I don't know. I can't tell.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I think Jillian Michaels is third co host vibes, Yeah
we do and tear. We absolutely slay the house down
Boots with Megan Carelly.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
The Red Scare Girls were on Megan Kelly. Oh great.
They were having martinis and talking about the election. What
kind of martinis? I wonder, I don't know. I think
they were having martini's. I think that was the part
of it by that I pulled. I was like, are
they fucking drinking martinis and talking about the end of
the world. Anyways, what part of you was afraid right now? Oh?

(39:23):
A huge part? Yeah, yeah, I mean right now in
even talking about all this and talking about it right
now essentially, I just mean like when you get on
the mic and talk about this types of stuff, I don't.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
Think like, no one's gonna like come knocking on our
door because it's like they're not worried about.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
Us, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
They were never worried about us, And We've never been
like warriors in that sense.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
I've never been a warrior. I'm a gay guy that
likes to like have text during the day totally. But
when are they going to come for us with that?
I know?

Speaker 2 (40:01):
But that's the like gay guys who have sex during
the day literally don't threaten anything about like it doesn't
concern them at all, So like there's no need. But
they're gonna want to come for that, but like there's
no need to, you know what I mean. I think
it's because they haven't done it yet. I'm telling you
the other day, like I had such incredible sex during
the day with a gay guy and I was like,

(40:23):
this is the key This is like the key yea
for people to just understand, like, while you're out here
wreaking havoc from a government's perspective, you could be getting
it from behind on the floor during the day. That's
how you know it's real. I'm just saying, hardwood, okay, carpeted.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Took the took the comforter off the bed, through it
on the ground and pointed to the floor. You did that, No,
he did that. I said, this is exactly right, Kennel Vibe.
I even said, I know that's right out loud. Can
you if after every position changed during gay sex? I

(41:06):
know that's right. Me on the floor, I know that's right.
Me getting into the butt.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I know that's right, me opening the door to trade
coming in. We don't have a minute to spare.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Don't bring her into this. Sometimes this podcast is just
for me and you in a way where I'm like,
how are people listening to it? And then so many
people do, because there's gonna be people that exactly know
the reference when you say we don't have a minute
to spare, and the people know that reference in part

(41:49):
because of you. I'm not giving any I'm just saying,
like you introduced me to brook ash I spotlight the
right people. Oh and I am a faithful brick Ashley
watcher every episode, every episode I have been. I have
had a harder time sitting through the live reactions to
all the Housewives episodes that she's had because they tend
to be long. There's a long time, and you got

(42:09):
a lot you have to get with a lot of people.
And I think she's a very talented editor. I think
she's very good at just cutting together a nice forty
minute recap. You know, speaking of Housewives recaps, I have
a very bad feeling about your girl, Stacy Rush at
the Potomac reunion. Explain, did you see the preview for it?

(42:29):
I saw the preview that they played at the finale,
but no, it is alleged that she paid TJ also
Es Yeah, to be her boyfriend. I've heard, and that
he finally is like, she hasn't paid me. I'm not
coming to the fucking reunion. It was all fake. How
are you going to deal with that? If it's true,
which it looks like. I think that's iconic. Stacy Rush

(42:51):
is a perfect housewife.

Speaker 2 (42:54):
They've even said in the Vulture recaps that she is
an alpha. Oh no, I'm sorry, she's an apex predator
house in the making. The way she came, she went
after Karen Angisel by the end of the season, I
know that's right, But put the comforter on the floor
because I know that's I'm taking. I'm taking in the
butt from that from Stacy Rush. She is the most

(43:16):
I mean, this is the thing. It's a it's a
lookism thing. It's like, she's so beautiful that I don't
care what she does.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Wow, okay, so you you don't care if it comes
to light that she paid this actor?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
Is that the worst thing anyone can do? By the way,
that's not a morally wrong thing. It's explicitly not real
your reality.

Speaker 1 (43:36):
But is that not a new I love watching you
swim upstream. I'm not swimming upstream. I I think you'll
agree with me. Is that like new achievement unlocked? Like
we have not seen a housewife do that. That's an
iconic novel housewife behavior paying for some random insane man
because he is crazy. That's the other thing is his

(43:57):
behavior now that we know it's probably fake, his behavior
is like even wilder because like, did he think he
was gonna book as a result of this on camera activity.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
You look wacko, sir, you're a wacko jacko and he
and is that not amazing for a house to do?

Speaker 1 (44:18):
Sally? Yes, But he comes in on fifteen out of
time with aj her her friend. Yes. Yes, And then
he was like, she doesn't want a problem, and so
neither of us are a problem, and I have a problem.
And then he drags her away and she's like, you're
you're giving a lot of energy, You're alive. And he
was like, I just wanted some time with you. I
want a time with you. He is, he looks so

(44:39):
beautiful and I'm so happy to be here. It's like
so clear that it's safe when you look back. But
it's like she got more than she bargained for. You
got more than she bargained for. But that is a
new that's something. And I'm being genuine here. I'm not
I'm not like being gymnastic about this. It's like she
is so interesting. Can I tell you what I think
is gonna happen? Yes, I think Robin's coming back, and

(45:00):
I'm not mad about it. I keep taking these ls.
Do you look at it as an L? Yes, she's
bad on TV. No, I don't think she is. I
actually liked Robin on Traders on Traders. Sure, I'm willing,
I'm I'm willing to burn this with Robin. Really, why
won't you burn it? Where was that from? Again? That's
set Lake City? Why won't you burn it? Lisa? Why

(45:27):
won't you burn it?

Speaker 2 (45:28):
She comes over to the other couch, burn it, burnet,
burn it. No, I was ready to burn it with Gizzelle,
and then she got went ahead and showed her ass.
She made it too personally redeemable. I'm sorry, I would.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Say, Gizelle, it's a note. I'm interested in Robin Dixon. Listen.
I think it will be interesting to have her come
back in light of all the Karen stuff, especially if
Karen is going to jail. Do you think she's gonna
go to There's a high chance there's a Nazi. There's
not even a non zero chanceship. It's a definition. There
is a definition and the words of Madam Warrible. Definition

(46:03):
chance is my favorite thing. You said it twice a day,
at least in front of me. There is a definition chance.
If you work as you should, you be ma. That
is literally my message to Robin there's a definie chance
if you work as you should, you'll be making good. Yeah,

(46:25):
because I think Robin, this is the thing. You kind
of have to look back at the whole thing with
different eyes now that we found out that there's the
stuff is Karen is so deep and dark. But what
does that have to do with Robin. Robin was always
on Karen's ass, right, and Karen acts like and I
love Karen Hughes, We love Karen hu but she's acted
like bigger and better than all of it for such

(46:46):
a long time, right, and then all of a sudden
looming there's this like darkness, which you know she wasn't well,
she's she's always been so obsessed with the etiquette and
what's what's potomac and what's not potomac. Etiquette obsession is
so funny to me.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Well it's it does belie lie this thing that she
has nothing figured out in her life, that like Ray
never fucking paid his taxes or whatever, and like there
was a man another man with her in the car
that night.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Do we believe that that's true? I think that might
be true.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
But this is all, this is all you know, we
need Wendy Williams more than ever.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
So apparently she's she's done that interview where she where
people are like, she sounds normal. I think that's a
hard thing to say. It's hard to anyone in any
like because she also has a diagnosis. So it's like
people that struggle with you know, any sort of I
don't even know how it comes. Maybe a bit of

(47:44):
like situation. You're gonna have good days and bad days.
So I get the entire internet being like, see, look
she's fine. It's like, I don't know, she's got a
diagnosis from a doctor. We've also seen her be very
not fine. Right, So I think people should continue to
let the nationals weigh in on what Wendy should or
should not be doing.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Thank you for saying that. By the way, I'm a doctor.
Well I presented something. Now laugh Jordan Doug, are you
got y'all laughing? He laughed at me when I said
I was a doctor. I have four degrees.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I only have one degree. I know.

Speaker 2 (48:23):
I had a census worker call me and she for
some reason the way she said, and you have one
bachelor's degree, yes, And I said, uh huh. For some reason,
it sounded like a dick and.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
You have me. Look here. Oh it's easy to count
because it's just one bachelor's degree. It's easy. It's a
Bachelor of Arts in chemistry. That's interesting for n y u. Okay,
now that makes sense. So one bachelor's of Arts in chemistry,

(48:57):
it says here, just looking at your extra crict danger
box improv very good fun improv group. That's very good
fun improv group. Okay, okay, So yep, I guess I've
heard all I need to hear as the census hangs
up the phone. One idiot, useless, idiot, waste of money

(49:22):
bag gay guy that I call a fagot. Where are
we on the word fagot because I'm embracing it, as
you can see, I've used it several times.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
Is it a thing where our friends over at Stradio
Lab have said reclaiming an insult is, which I don't
think fagot applies.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
They'll say hanging Aboustralia Lab. They'll say anything. They just
want to clicks. No, you can never be lost college period.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Well, I predict a rise in that slur being used
just in a more general.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
Certainly certainly well, straight white men being so back right.
I've read that's your bottom dollar that you're gonna hear
the word faggot. I hear it's happening in the Austin
comedy scene a lot. I keep on the ground, Yeah,
and tell him me to go to oil Can Harry's.
And you know, you can call someone a faggot if
you've if you've had an anal fisher. I wouldn't wish

(50:18):
that on anybody.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
If you've experienced anal pain in such a crazy apocalyptic way,
like every gay man has, you can use that word.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Remember yesterday what I went to the bathroom to pee,
came out of the bathroom and I was like, ah,
because I had like a sudden, insane pain in my butthole.
You remember that. Yeah, I am the transparent one on
this show. I'm transparent. Say something transparent. Oh my god,
I am. I shave. I shave.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
I did a full pube shave for the first time
in months because a man asked you to no, because
I was like, it's I'm getting I gotta whack the weeds.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Imagine a man like rolling over and being like that
was great. Next time. I just for me. My preference
is that you shave everything. Kiss me so good. Babe, Oh,
do you like to be a little spoon or big spoon? Nice?
I like to be big. I say, feel good? Feel good?

(51:17):
You feel even better? Hairless spooning or how do we feel?
It's always good for five to ten minutes? And five
and ten seems like a liberal sort of allotment of time,
because you know what happens when you spook Okay, this
is arms arms go. No, this is unfortunately what happens

(51:39):
when spooning works too well. Oh, and I'm going to
reveal this and the person that this is about listens
to this podcast. I'm just gonna know. And no one
acknowledged this when it happened, but I am acknowledging it now.
So I hook up with someone while I'm on tour.
I know this person. Well yeah, so we've sort of

(52:00):
have like a like a friend slash sex relationship and
have sex great, wonderful, and then afterwards he's big spoon.
Uh huh. And it actually was good big spoon where
you actually could sleep like that really, but unfortunately it

(52:21):
was just good. We just like had good but bed
kem it was. We're gonna come on the podcast. I'm
so serious. It's but it's you're saying it's it was
good puzzle pieces. It was really good puzzle pieces we had.
And I was feeling like, oh, I actually could fall
asleep with this lovely no risk of any relationship here,

(52:46):
he's in a relationship, et cetera. So I go into
that dream state of like where you're like half asleep,
half whatever, and when you're being held like that, and
you have sense memory to a time when being held
like that you were in a relationship. I half asleep.
He shifted a little bit and I kind of went

(53:06):
back and I kissed him, and I said I love you,
and I felt this isn't a stupor, like was it
a stuper Yeah? And I literally I'm not in love
with this person. I don't. I do love this person.
I care for them sex, but I don't. The way
I understand is because I was somewhere else. I think
I honestly got triggered to a time when I was

(53:28):
in love with a man that held me. And and
so I go, love you, I love you. It's fully
three words, because love you is different than I love you.
I fully say I love you. I feel him go, look,
I feel it kind of like a shift and then
I lay down and now I'm like wide awake because
I'm like, oh fuck, like I just like that woke

(53:50):
you up? Or the shift book. It was like the
shift and then I love you and then his like
little like moment. I could have gone right back to
bed because I was in half ram but I was like,
oh no, I just said I love you to the sky.
Oh that's so bad. And I just played dead and
then it was fine and we never talked about it
until now and I so you said, this is the

(54:12):
first time you bringing up after it, after the after
I almost said something right in the moment, but I thought,
like I almost because like you know, when twenty seconds
passed and then twenty five, and then I could have
just been like, hey, I said I love you. I
don't mean it, I do, but like you know, and

(54:33):
he would have been like, it's I think windows is
always open. I mean it's out there and it's out
there now the windows so okay. So and he listens,
and you think, religiously he will okay, he will receive that.
I will receive a DM. That's great, and I think
it's great unless he doesn't remember, which that's also fine.

(54:55):
But I guess now he's being reminded, I don't love
any of you that I fuck once. Can I just say, like,
that's not like I think. The earliest I've said it
is after three.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
Three times, after three times, that was that, that was
the soonest you had said I loved it, I love you.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Yeah, but three times this person, Yes, I've had sex
with like three or four times. So then you but
it was a mistake. I've said I love you one
time for real, which was a horrible mistake that I
made after like after three times once and it was
it was too soon. But you live. You learn, Yeah,

(55:34):
you learn. Well, thanks for sharing that.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
By the way, I'm the transparent one. I don't well,
you know, you're the combative one. You're the combative one,
is what you are, and so you wield.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
I am the heart of this podcast. Yeah, absolutely, you
are the soul. I don't know about that. What are you?
I don't know what I'm giving. I really don't know
what I'm giving. I love this topic, I love this
What do you mean you don't know what you're giving?

Speaker 2 (55:59):
I'm back, you know what it is. I'm back in
a moment of like it's just okay. One thing, onto
the next, onto the next. I've done the four cross
country flights in two weeks. I literally barely know where
I am. This is dark echoes of like the hard
moments of shooting.

Speaker 1 (56:15):
You actually feel that way a little bit.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Well, I'm like, I don't think I've ever been funny
or I've ever been like it's like it's no, and
I know you're rolling your eyes, and but this is
the thing that just like anyone who like works professionally
in comedy like feels. It's a universal feeling and so like,
that's not I'm not like hard on myself.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
And you can draw the line to fatigue.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Yes, but again, so uninteresting to talk about that on
this podcast. And I really have tried not to talk
about this. I don't think it's uninteresting at all, but
I talk. There was a moment on the podcast where
I was talking about it a lot, and people were like, oh,
being tired, being tired.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
But that's different than like, my perception of myself is
in the flux, and it affected because I am so busy,
which you could draw a line to success and but
but that is like it's getting fuzzy for you, and
I don't I don't connect it to success at all.
But the reason why you're traveling so much is because That's.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
What I'm saying, is because there's just things to be
at for the next couple of months.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Right, when will that end? April? April is when?

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Like April's when like the award stuff is done, and
like I'm backing to regular schedule it us and now
like that's so the Oscars isn't like the finish line
for I think Oscars is the finish up. And then
after Oscars, like there's more stuff you and I might
have to talk about a trip. Oh right, yeah, but
that's fun, that's fun. It just but right now my
brain is only registering it. It's like another place to

(57:45):
be at.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
We'll reframe that later totally, but I want to go
to Berlin.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
I'm still coasting on the Japan trip, Like I'm still
like in such a positive thing, such a positive.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Thing, and like I will hold on too that for
the rest of my life. Like a friend was asking
me about it the other night, and I just like
even just in recounting and I just got emotional again
just talking about the Pokemon plane and talking about the
food I ate and all these things and the wrestling,
the new Japan Pro Wrestling, Oh my god. And then

(58:20):
I'm gonna go with you to the Academy Awards. Do
you think that we'll have like pretty good seats? I
mean I hope so I tell also, what doesn't matter,
it's just gonna be. You took our best sie Jared
to the Critics' Choice Awards and if you if you know,
you know, he was in the front.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
We were front and center, aligned with the microphone.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
It was unreal. Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
We got to meet the whole substance team, the producers
who tell them what they said they listened to the episode.
I think maybe the pot I mean like publicists are
out in full force, literally in the in the professional
sense and in the last culture sense. Like I mean,
it was very nice to connect with some of you,
a lot, all of you really like. It's fun. Like

(59:03):
we're all just talking about movies that we like. That's
just that's just what it is.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
All we wanted was to me more on the podcast,
but we don't think it can work. You don't think
it can work. But we got to meet Coraly. That's
so cool.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Got to meet Margaret and Jack and.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Margaret and Jack doesn't get bigger than.

Speaker 2 (59:19):
That for me, ultimates and it was so fun. You
know who was connecting with Jared? Who with Cynthia.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I heard about this.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
Cynthia and Jared were connecting a lot because any time
they would roll the nominees packages. These are two people
who have the same media died apparently because they'd be like,
I love that show, or that was an amazing short,
Oh that documentary wasn't like they like, these are just
two people who've seen everything.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Jared told me that he was like, Sing Sing my
favorite movie of the year, and that Cynthia went, sing
Sing is my favorite movie of the year. It's absolutely
my favorite movie of the year.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
Really good in Cynthy, Lauren, Lauren mad Cynthia, he love
that he'd love that John m g winning Best Director.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
So that was so great.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Just to expl because people seem to have comments about this.
The Orlando Bloom, who presented the award, pointing out that
in the past, I think since Argo, so it looked
that's like the past twelve years, every director who's won
the Critics Choice for Best Director has gone on to
win Best Director at the Oscars.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
And we say since Argo because Ben Affleck ben a
Cup was famously snubbed for the nomination for the Photographer
Best Director. Yes, so this is the first time, because
every single year since that director has won the Oscars,
and now John is not nominated for the Oscar.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
John was snubbed for the Oscar snub. And so when
he took the stage and won, with that information sort
of top of mind for everybody, he said, I'm gonna
win that Oscar and it was clearly a joke. You
handsome as hell, so handso End did not have his
speech prepared, did not have his phone with him, Off
the cuff, off the dome, gave the best speech of
the night.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
I think off the cuff is the way to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Absolutely, It's real. It's like he just started with the
word I've always loved telling stories, and it just went
from there. And then he talked about being in his
parents restaurant, comber Food to Comfort Prices, talking about like
spending his days just like writing and drawing at the
restaurant while he was just trying to like get through
the day. And it just reminded me of like all

(01:01:17):
the times that like I would I would just like
make up stories like at Chinese school when I was
just waiting for my parents to finish up, like it's
just it just like dug up this thing in me
where I was like, God, this is just what we
This is just what everybody in that room wants to do.
And he told the most radical story of the year
to me in like this mythic fantasy setting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Like there's a lot of great interesting subversive stuff this
year at the Oscars, but I feel like Wicked is
this trojan horse of a thing where it's like about
and whatever, like anti fascism, racism and like careerism and
like all these things that like is such a huge
accessible container for everybody that like it's pretty incredible. And

(01:01:57):
I say, this is someone who like I have been.
I've said I have just enough of an objective like
POV and that's not objective, but like I'm obviously biased,
but I just think, like I love that movie so much,
even when I can easily forget that I'm involved, I'm
just like, that's such a great fucking as he said
anything to you guys about Wicked for good, like, yeah,
they're still in the edit. Okay, so no trailer to

(01:02:20):
Super Bowl unfortunately. Sorry, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
They just want to get it right. But they've been
busy with the word stuff, so like it's the timeline
is just the dance card has been full. When did
the When did the Wicked teaser trailer come out?

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Was it? It was Super Bowl last year? I see,
so people were expecting it this year. But it will
be great. Do you think that Cynthia and Arianna will
continue to do pink and green all the way through
or do you think they'll shift to a darker vibe
because it's a darker frien. I think they'll shift to
a darker film. I think always going to start working
some blue in as we've seen or I'm not actually
seen on the Red Carpets, but like she and they've

(01:02:52):
already started to move away from pink and green. Like
but yes, one of Glenna's dresses and for good is blue,
as we've seen from those photos. You've seen those photos.
I don't know if I have what scene is that from?

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
It's another I think it's another munchkin Land scene where
she's with Fierro, and I think people have like clocked
those stills.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
And you have no knowledge of the new song that
Cynthia wrote for Forno. I don't honest to God's truth.
I don't. Why did you look away from me? I
just for me as someone who studies body language, because
I've been studying a lot of Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively
body language. I noticed that when you said honest to God,
I don't you looked all the way up here. I

(01:03:31):
was looking too.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I was looking at that camera, and I was addressing
the listener readers. Katie's publicist Colles finalists honest to God,
Honest to God? I don't, And I really like, what
do you want me to say?

Speaker 1 (01:03:46):
Sing the song? I don't know this song? Sing Cynthia's song.
I don't know what. I don't think where it's going
to come in. I don't know. I really don't know.
I can't wait for No Good Deed. Oh, I mean
no good Deed. I can't wait for much of the
Witch Hunters because that song goes off. Are you in that? No?

(01:04:06):
So what can you say about Fanny's role? What can
you tease for us what Fanny gets up to a
wicked For Fanny.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
And Shenshin have seen their world view sort of payoff,
which is we just want status, and that's all I'll say.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Do you think that their fall will be precipitous? I
think I think their fall will be maybe quite literal.
I can't wait to see how this turns, to see
how this turns out. You know they're saying Anora is
gonna win Best Picture.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Wait, and that's the favorite after DJAPG yep, And I'm
I'm all for it, down for it, down for although
I don't know there's a case to be made about.
I'm just speaking to reputable people about this, huh. And
there's a case to be made at because voting opened
up this week for Roscars. There's a case to be
made about because the news has been so awful, something
might motivate people to vote for, like the feel good

(01:04:59):
but still politically relevant movie in Wicked.

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think it's out of it.
It's not out of it. I especially with the John
Chewin a Critics Choice. I think that there's the John
Chew win at Critics Choice. I think the SAG Awards
are still coming up. I think that the predictions were
that you guys would take Saga Ensemble. But now I
don't you know what I thought was gonna happen. I
thought maybe producer Skill was going to go to a
complete unknown just because it's like a lot of Bob

(01:05:27):
Dylan fans. Let's say, but I just don't think that
movie's that great. And I think that Anora now feels
like they were saying with ranked choice voting, it feels
like nobody hates Anora, whereas like every other movie and
even if they have a lot of love, there's like
a lot of hatred. So like the way that you
win Best Picture Oscar is if if you get ranked

(01:05:50):
two or three on everyone's ballot, you're gonna war. Is
that the Green Book effect? You think sort of, yeah,
it's like a movie that people well because people have
kind of hated Green Book, but by the end after
voting it closed, you know, yeah, well it's like it
kind of became the villain late, right, so it was
maybe too late, whereas Amelia Press that film has become
the villain quite early, and it's like sort of doomed.

(01:06:13):
But Anora, if it's not people's number one, it's probably
people's two, three, or four. And that's because everything else
is super polarizing. It's it's rate a queen. Yeah, it's
rate a Queen. It's rate of Queen rules this year.
It's great a queen rules at the Oscars. I want
to ask you about because you brought it up me Yes,

(01:06:33):
Blake and Baldoni, Oh, because we did. We kind of
touched on this with on the Sarah episode. I mean,
four hundred million dollars on top of the two hundred
and fifty million dollars. My bit that whole week was
so sorry, I have to take those sex. My husband
and I are being super for four hundred million dollars.
I actually only have about fifteen minutes. My husband and
I are being super four hundred million dollars. Could we

(01:06:56):
actually do lunch at two? I have something from twelve
to one. It's a long story. My husband bring suit
four hundred million dollars. That's really see that's a great
sort of nunciation elocution. I mean, were going really great.
Tom's car got three times. I don't even know that
it's been a lot. Can I ask them? Can I

(01:07:19):
ask like a you can ask anything. I I am
so deep on this. I'm so deep on this. It
seems like.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
The prevailing story is that they're both bad.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
I think that that is coming to light, like there's
certainly been bad behavior on both sides, sure, but I
am tending to side with Blake in this situation for
the most part because the Baldoni stuff is like like
he is like suing like his old publicist now for
like releasing the text of the Times, and like there's

(01:07:50):
just it seems like there's more stuff. There's more tracks
being like covered up on the Baldoni side that there
are a million lawsuits now flying around for so much money,
so insane. The New York Times has involved, all these
PR firms are involved, et cetera. It's truly a story
of just rich how dark. Like the way Hollywood works,

(01:08:12):
It's like it's because here's here's the real truth. You
can be an asshole. It's not against the law. What's
against the law is, you know, paying people in order
to bury someone defamation, sexual harassment on set, Like this
type of thing is like against the law. So he
can prove a million ways to Sunday that she's a

(01:08:32):
fucking asshole, but that's the law. But it's not against
the law. And so basically he may have to pay
based on stuff that like I'm sorry, but Megan Towey,
it's Pulitzer prize winning journalists at the New York Times,
like pretty much proved in that piece, and he can
sue them or whatever, but like, you can't really dispute
the fact that he paid extremely expensive publicists to destroy

(01:08:56):
her and that it worked. It worked. And I think
what he is kind of violently retaliating against is this
image that he's built up of himself as being this
like feminist and like this advocate ragmon, which I think
if that's true or bullshit or whatever, it kind of
doesn't matter, like in the eyes of the law, right

(01:09:18):
because even if she was a total asshole and asserted
her control over this movie and like you know, brought
her quote unquote dragons in which, by the way, if
you read the way that this woman texts, oh my god,
it's it's wild. But she's talking about pebbles, talking about
Blake Lively Blake like. But she can do all that stuff.

(01:09:39):
She can assert control over the movie. She can swing
her dick, she can bring in her famous friends, she
can have her husband get involved in all this stuff. Like,
it's not against you law exactly. The way that he
acted probably was against the law. So okay, thank you,
because I'm going kind of crazy being like, well, they're
both awful, and I'm like, well, but one is. Well.

(01:10:00):
The thing is like they I mean, I think at
this point, especially because they keep digging in and they
clearly want to go to trial, this is an ego
thing and it's ugly all around. And I don't know
necessarily where all of their careers go after this. I'm
sure in some respect they'll kind of be fine. Yes,
but you can say to you like he contacted his
pr and said, you know, let's turn the narrative against

(01:10:25):
her in such a crazy way that like we bury
her and destroy her, and you can bring up all
this stuff of her being a little bit of a
jerk to these you know journalists like you know saying
this kind of thing, like there's an old video of
her talking about how she did blackface, et cetera. Like
it's like you can unearth all of this stuff. You're
not proving criminal, You're just not you're proving that she is.

(01:10:50):
It's not an actress, it's not a big ego. It's
not a criminal. No no. But but I guess what
I'm saying is like it's like a liolilitic and it's
like I think while he may be winning the thing
about public opinion about her, he'll probably still end up paying. Right, Well,
I'm glad it's made its way to lost culture. I loved.

(01:11:12):
I will say the Chelsea Handler joke that I liked
the most was like, I think we're all very but
something she said like the yeah, we're good, We're good. Yeah.
Because that's another thing is it's like when people are
so hell bent on like they seem really sure that
everyone cares. And I will say I really didn't until

(01:11:35):
it was the only thing in entertainment news, and it's
such a selve from all the rest of the dark
shit happening in the world that it's kind of just like,
all right, let's see what's going on with this Blake
and justin thing, and all of a sudden you're sucked in.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
But you're saying that window was closed very quick because
now you don't care anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
It's not even that I don't care, it's kind of
the thing of like it's it's very well, let's see
how this turns out, because if it goes to trial,
of course I care.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Right, how do you like bring that to bring it
back to the fire, Like, how do you bring that
level of like attention to like something that actually is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Well, how about the fact that they were filing these
lawsuits while the fires were happening total just to show
like that the focus is so on them and that
the egos are so out of control that this is
literally going down and those things are being fouled in
the court of law like while everything was going down. Yeah,
but it's so brutal, it's so sad that like that's

(01:12:31):
the shit that takes up are totally but I mean,
like it's kind of always been, like I know, I know.
Here's what I'll say, is good. The fact that you
can even make that distinction now and us on our
platform can be like, isn't it wild how distracted we
all are easily by by what is essentially bullshit, even
if it's a big deal to them, and it's a
big deal, you know, to some people in a real way.

(01:12:53):
Like at least we can be able to say, like,
we see how easily distracted the media is and like,
I don't know, it's all pretty silly, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:13:01):
I hate that I know that his production company is
called Wayfarer now and that's just information that's in my brain.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Ye's so close to Wayfair the furniture bran, Yeah, the
furniture brand. Yeah, he should have thought it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Well, this this just made me think, my out, my
loanout company has a bad name, and I'm like, I
need to change it in case I ever get into
legal shit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Dingo dingis dingham Dingo, dinkham Dingo Australian thing. What's yours? Oh? Your?

Speaker 2 (01:13:23):
You know, yours is great, basic inast basic instincts, so funny,
so good. I like my loanout. You've got a great
loanout dnkim Dingo. I was just like, I can't come
up with anything. It's two Australian words.

Speaker 1 (01:13:33):
Put it in. I think dnkham Dingo's great.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
But if that if it was like dnkham Dingo's you know,
like dnkham Dingo file to complaint against It's like that
sounds so stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Do you want to start a production company with me? Yes?
What should we call it? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Do we wanted to have like a serious sounding name
or called twins are fighting again?

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Gemini? I'm meeting with Gemini. Entertained man.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
That apparently that's that's the Google AI name. Like we
need to get on these names y'all because sometimes they
snatch up the it's like it's like, you know, getting
a handle, you get like you gotta get, you gotta
snatch it up quick totally, which to be called corridor.

Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
Looking at your sweater. Yeah, this is a that's a
good place to start. But what's something we both love?
Mariah Kelly Gaga Mariah Kelly Gaga like it's a gay
kids screen name and like two thousand and eight, Maria
Kelly Wait, I've told you this is so revealing of my.

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Your your your sl screen names, Casey No, what is it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
Ao l screen name?

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Your Ames screen name and Ames screen name was Kelly Clarkston,
wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (01:14:50):
Yeah? When I was little, it was M A R
O T C K seven seven nine. And you're gonna
scream when you find that way of for Trenise from
season two of American Idol, number five Nember, No, she
was number six, she was fifth place because it was Trenise.

(01:15:12):
Then Kimberly Clark then number three. Stop Kimberly Locke was
her name. I'm sorry, Kimberly, I think you've messed up
and I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. So it was Trenise.
Then who was four Trenise? And who was fourth on
season two of America? Oh god, no, I don't know why.
It definitely Guy because I was like pissed because then

(01:15:33):
it was first place was Ruben Stuttered, Second place was lock?
Fourth place? I forget who that was? Yeah, but it wasn't. No,
was fifth? I remember? Oh was it Josh Grayson?

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
That's just similiar stupid? Remember remember Julia Dematto. I was
waiting for Julia Demoto. Julia Donald rocked because she was
like a single mom or something, and I was like,
I want her to win.

Speaker 1 (01:15:57):
She she she was a single mom hairdresser from Long Yes,
and she was very like the woman that I would
go into say hi to my mom at work and
she'd be like, oh, hey, you're so handsome. I've told
you that my mom had really good relationships with everyone
at her hair salon, including lex who first cut my
hair into a crew cott and turned me around to

(01:16:18):
the mirror and said, you look like a marine. And
there was one nasty queen who my mom was in
a feud with at work. And you're gonna die when
I tell you who it was. Who the nail girl
Bernadette well I don't like her. All right, Well it's

(01:16:45):
time to wrap it up. This is I don't think so, honey,
And this is where we take sixty seconds to talk
about something in culture that has messed us up. And
I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
This is Matt Rogers, I don't think so, honey. As
time starts now.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
I don't think so honey. The nail girl Bernadette, who
years ago did not invite my mother to her wedding.
They worked in the same salon, Exstasia in Lyndenhurst, New York.
It was a community driven place where women came to
get gorgeous. And so with these vibes over at the
nail station, Bernadette is being a gatekeeper at her wedding.

(01:17:21):
She invited everyone, including the girls who were essentially interns
there who just swept up the hair, to her wedding
in the late nineties, and not my mother. Can you
imagine not inviting Katrina to a party? What the fuck
do you have against my mother, Trina? Bernadette, let me
tell you something. I better not catch you out here

(01:17:45):
in whatever streets and you come up, Matthew, it's so
excited to see you so successful. I'm Bernadette I used
to work with your mother. I will end you five
seconds wherever you're at. Let's go, Bernadette. You didn't invite
my mother to your your wedding. That was problem.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
That's one minute and fucking Bernadette. I'm sorry. We love that.
We love every nail technician, but compared to Katrina, you're
sitting down most of the day.

Speaker 1 (01:18:11):
No, she was nothing. Katrina is on her feet. People
are not going to Extasia and Lindenhurst for the This
is no disrespect to all the nail texts out there,
but this is a hair salon.

Speaker 2 (01:18:24):
So know your place and know your role. Show some
respect to Katrina clarities.

Speaker 1 (01:18:28):
Just understand your legacies is not that you're I don't
even know if you're still married, but either way, if
you are, even if it's a successful marriage in terms
of lost coach metrics, your legacy is that you fucked
up in the late nineties and didn't invite Katrina to
your wedding and I heard about it at home.

Speaker 2 (01:18:43):
The legacy is I'm forgetting your ass. As soon as
this episode is done.

Speaker 1 (01:18:48):
He will, I won't.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
I wish you all the best in life, Bernadette. I
will not filed you away in any drawer in my brain,
that's gonna be Bowenyang only. I don't wish you well,
and I'll remember you, I clearly do. I was a young, young,
a gay kid, and you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:19:07):
Cross our mothers here. First of all, your wedding is
probably way boring because my mom absolutely tears it up
to love shack, tears it up to all the wedding songs,
never too much, never too much, never too much.

Speaker 2 (01:19:20):
Love shack is yeah, that's up there to say nothing
of shouts.

Speaker 1 (01:19:25):
Zalea Banks had a point the other day when she
tweeted she wants to see Sam Smith sing never too
Much by Luther, and then her fans were started dragging
her like fuck you Sam Smith, and she was like, no, no, no,
you don't understand Sam Smith can like sings like.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
No Sam Smith can do called him white Luther, all right,
And that's our Azalea Banks mention of the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
And this is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey.
You ready, yep? His time starts now, I don't think so, honey.

Speaker 2 (01:19:51):
Microsoft teams, is it a browser experience?

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
Do I have to downe on the app?

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
It's not clear based on the call to actions based
on the button, and and when I get there, the
view is paginated. I have to click an error to
go see the other eight people on the meeting. And
then if I mute a pop up, a persistent pop up,
no matter how many times you x out of it,
pops up and says you're muted.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
You're muted, bitch.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
I know I'll press space bar when I have to
speak out of respect for the thirty other people on
this call.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
What is the deal Microsoft Teams. I don't want to
buy into the office suite anymore. Google Drive got your ass,
and we're all using docs and sheets and pages. We're
not doing the powerpoints in the year twenty twenty five.
I don't know why we're still tethered to teams. I
don't know why Bill Gates is an interview magazine at

(01:20:43):
this point. Why do we give it these people our time,
our effort, our energy. I have to spend five minutes
after the meeting starts to figure out how the fuck
to log on, and that's one minute. Everyone out there,
Microsoft Team doesn't work for us. And I have all
the sympathy in the world for the people who work
at companies where they are forced to use Microsoft teams

(01:21:03):
because of whatever contracts they have. But you must fight
and use your power as employees to switch to Zoom.
Just do it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
It's the standard, not the industry standard, it's the world standard.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
The quality is so much worse on teams. What's the
redeeming thing? I don't know. I ruined my day this morning.
I don't know a worse platform. I don't know platform. Now.
We're not fans of team, We're not fans of teams.
There's also so much business to get into it. It's

(01:21:40):
business to get into it. I can't see a full
list of the of like a full populated list of
like people like I don't know. The grid view is
like different. It's three by five in the first three rows,
then it's two by seven and then second it's like,
this is the kind of thing that's really gonna piss
BO off. No. I need I need to see everyone
needs to have the same hierarchy on a Zoom or

(01:22:03):
on a video conference, like totally agree, do you really agree? No? Yes?
And I want to say we loved everyone on no
no when it was a great call, great call. We
would have loved to see you all shine equally, all
shine equally. Yeah, that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
The grid just kept moving like the resizing, and people
have bigger faces than others, and I was like, this
is intolerable.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Yeah, let me tell you something. The Hollywood Squares it
was not. No.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
I just want I want pauland and Whoopi Goldberg and
Center Square.

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
I just want to know exactly where someone is sitting
in the Hollywood Square. I want all my zoom calls
and like online meetings to be like Hollywood Squares. Like
I know that deb from Accounting is the top left square.
I know that you and I would have torn up
it's back. What yes, it's It's like it's like fully

(01:22:51):
a show. The other day it was on. It was
Margaret show was on it. We need to get booked.
Drew Barrymore. I think Drew Barrymore a Center Square that's iconic.
The cast was not chumps. I'll tell you that we
want to do. In fact, someone sent me a picture
of it and was like, why aren't you on this show?
Which I usually think if.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
It was a little bit of a drag, right, but
but I want the Hollywood Scores is so aspiration, it's iconic.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
So we're available for Hollywood Squares. I want to say
one thing before we go okay, and I feel like
it's sad that I even have to do this, but
I'm now begging. So Epic Universe is now finished, as completed,
it's being handed over to park operations. I have not
heard from anyone at NBC Universal or you know, the parks.

(01:23:37):
I haven't heard from anyone from Orlando with an invitation.
And I don't know what else I can say other
than you want us there, trust us talking about this,
Trust us like, please invite us please, and also everyone
on the ground bts. The information has also been lacking.
I've not been getting the leaks that I wanted, Like

(01:23:59):
if you are on the grounds in Epic Universe and
you can give me leaks you need to be getting
in my d ms. I'm very good about discreetly sharing information.
I'm not I'm not feeling it. You can see we
went black. We went we went dark. Look at that.
We went dark. Our backdrop went out because of because
of the severity of the situation. This is a very
serious situation and we need we need to be reached out.

(01:24:22):
So we need to be collaborated with on this or
I'm going to be upset. This sucks. See what's happening Microft,
Microsoft teams? Oh no, it's damn smart TV. All right, well,
we gotta go, We gotta go. All right, Epic Epic
Universe reach out. I'm hearing that they're giving an engineer
walkthrough in March. How are you hearing that someone reached

(01:24:44):
out to me and I said, you need to reach
out to Matt Rogers. No, Matt, sit down? What Matt? No?
I now you're making me feel bad for sharing information
with you because it didn't come up and it this
person messaged me yesterday, dot me read it, Yes, and
they might get in trouble. But see, if you message me,

(01:25:06):
I would have put this out on the low. Okay,
all right, no, no, no, don't get them in trouble.
But like, no, I'm just I just want to read
what the scuttle butt is. Okay, tell us the scuttle
But I can't care this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Oh here it is team members. Preview dates have dropped.
That's all I've received what.

Speaker 1 (01:25:24):
We we In the words of Diana Ross reach out,
no one will do a better job than us at
drumming up excitement. People need to hear about this and
they're only going to hear about it all laws Coult.
We have a huge platform and we will use it well.
Speaking of hearing, we end never episode with the song
I just want you to have this is reading? Yes,

(01:25:55):
what does it look like? Bye? Bye? Last Culture is
just is the production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players
on iHeartRadio podcasts. Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and
Bowen Yang, Executive produced by Ada Hasnier, then

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Produced by Beck Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Bammniko
Board and our music is by Henry Komerski

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