Guilty, Guilty, Guilty w/Bobbi Clifford aka Toots

Flame Monroe kicks off Season 3 of Laugh and Learn digging into the latest with Ron Desantis changing unfavorable laws in Florida, Trump slow ramping up his campaign rhetoric and more, joined by resident Flamette Bobbi Clifford.

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(01:40):
comedian Flame Monrole and welcome to season three of Laugh
and Learn with Flame Monrole. Let me tell you guys,
this season, I gotta all. We're going back to basics
for you all because I tried something different. I changed
the formula and messed up and changed some of the
ingredients and lost some of my followers, some of my
money and some of my constituents. But I'm back to

(02:00):
politics and Hodgepars the way it's supposed to be. And
this season we're gonna give it to you what you need.
I'm not sugarcoating it. I'm not making it nice. I'm
not even gonna make it easy. You better get your
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mister Aaron and my wonderful guests. I have a guest

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co host today, Lady Jim. It's a flay Mat. She
has been my friend now for almost three years. We
met online during the pandemic, and then we met in
person in New York last March April March at the
legendary now closed Caroline's Comedy Club and we had a
fantastic time. You know her, I know her. You love her,

(02:44):
and I mean I love her, and you will love
her the way I love her. When she's finished with
this show, makes a noise for my one and only
took the lady Bobby Clifford y'all type of Bobby cliff Holley,
how are you? I'm so excited. I am very pleased
that you've decided to join me today for laughing, learned Bob,
because you will keep me in Land. Bobby is my resident,
will keep me in Lan. We got some stuff for

(03:06):
y'all today. The world is real, crazy right now and real.
But you know we started stood off with the bank.
So let me get my credits out the way before
we get onto into the juice and to the meat
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(03:51):
or what my bio. The link is there. That's where
you can see me live. Because what you get, lave mate,
what you get on this phone? I mean on this computer. Hi,
Bobby Cliff high saying how are you? How's everything in both?
Did y'all gear that very heavy? Both? The next thing?
I know, I can't help, but I'm sorry. Today was gorgeous.
It was like forty eight. The son, eh, you know,

(04:11):
like was ready to get the two pieces and go
running up down the streets. Well, body, because let's kick
the show off, because I want to start off the
show with three words that it's not the father the
son had the Holy Ghost, neither is it he way,
it is guilty, guilty, guilty to murder. Oh my god, baby,
let me tell you something. I don't know what murder.

(04:32):
I thought he was gonna get away with. Now I
mind you, he was a lawyer and he has gotten away.
And here's the killer. He has gotten away with stealing
money according to that Netflix, specially that they did from
so many poor people for years and years and years.
But the scripture said was done in the dark, will
come to light. It ain't come to light, but it

(04:52):
did him show went to the courtroom. Baby that Jude said,
I know you loved your son, I but you murdered
them and gave him life two because segultive life terms. Concurry,
Bobby Clifford, you saw it. Let me tell you some
wife plenty of episodes A long order SVU. I think
I could actually get away with a crime, I think.

(05:12):
But I think he thought that too because he had
gotten so with all that feeling. What what what say you,
Bobby Clifford? I think so chill. I don't know if
there was anybody that was more shocked than him, Like
some people thought he was being cold during UM when
the when it was read the verdict was red. I
don't think he was he was being cold. I think

(05:32):
he was shocked. Is poop? I you know, I don't
think he that's what he was going to hear. I
think who also was shocked? Where where the um his?
His defense team? I think they thought they had poked
enough holes UM in the prosecute prosecution's case UM, and
I think they were surprised the one person that my
heart gave out to a little bit. I do feel badly.

(05:54):
I mean I feel badly that he has a name
like Buster, but UM, I feel badly for his poor
son who's now lost his entire family. To this this viciousness. Um,
that's really too bad. And he's the image of his father,
the poor thing. I think I'd be getting some plastic surgery.
I totally agree. You know, Bobby, this this this snapchat

(06:17):
and I'm sure he could thought he died all the
ast he but that snapchat video caught his ass up.
Well that's what that's what they were saying. Doing snapchat,
he would have got away with it. Well, that's what
they said. I was listening to some of the talking
heads this afternoon, and Um, what they were saying was
exactly that there wasn't a lot of DNA, that this

(06:39):
wasn't a cside case. This case was based on more technology.
It was based on phone, phone mapping, on star that snapchat. Um,
what really tied him up was his timing. You know,
he was trying to say he was in one place
and it took X amount of time and that's not
at all what happened. Um, you know. And then one
of the biggest things was you know, himself, the arrogance

(07:03):
of himself putting himself on the stand. I mean, I
just can't even imagine. I think that the jury probably
made up their mind right there when they saw him.
You know what I have to ask myself, Bobby, and
and you know this, you're the perfect person for me
to talk to this about because I strongly believe and
this is just me speaking as as I'm a Black

(07:23):
American African, that is how I consider myself. If that
wouldn't have been a black judge, he might have got
he might have gotten not as harsh of a sentence.
He might have still gotten sentence, but maybe not as harsh,
maybe ten years or twenty years. I don't think that
because the judge was black that the sentence would have

(07:44):
been more more harsh. I think it hadn't been any
nationality unless it was one of his friends. Because what
you have to remember, those Murdochs in South Carolina ran
everything for fifty years. They got away with any and everything,
murder included. So I was glad that somebody who had
no no invested interest in this family, they didn't have

(08:07):
their hand in their pocket, so they were able to
judge them accordingly. Because had that been somebody who was
in their circle or possibly friends of theirs, he could
have he could have walked the way you know, we
say it, We sayed it happened we think it anyhow
we say it now. Absolutely, I think this is one
of those one circumstances where um, privilege, power, money, access,

(08:33):
the system actually worked. And I think that I feel
very strongly. You know, I always feel strongly about diversity,
and this is why we need diversity across systems. So
there were black jurors there and not that that's just
I think there needs to be a smattering of everything, UM,
so that you're not bringing those preconceived whatever is with you.

(08:53):
And he did. They did run everything. I think that
I'm telling you. I think he was absolutely floored that
this distudn't roll over it and roll to his way. Um.
I agree with what you said, boy, because that BC
the look on his face. It wasn't look good prison.
It was a look good. I can't believe that y'alli
fam did me guilty to go to prison because we
didn't get away with so much other stuff. But his

(09:14):
arrogance came through my TV screen. He I wanted to
choke his eyes because like, yep, I'm going to get
away with it. But he didn't his he did. He
it was his own. Um, he undermined himself the fault.
I mean, you know, the worst that we believe about attorneys,
although we need them and they're not all like this,

(09:34):
but some people believe they're can outs, are their persuaders
or et cetera, et cetera. Right, he got up there
on that on that stand, he did more crying than I,
you know, than the one of the little victims of
the Mean Girls movies, you know, like he was. He
was Lonstra to written, oh, wicked, wicked and slain fact.

(09:57):
I don't know if you heard this. I just saw this.
I was unaware of that. I was watching Chris Pomo
and they actually mentioned it on there. Do you know
who is speaking about this? Of course, he had Alan
Dershowitz as one of his panel members, and he kind
of kept actually dropped off the call actually after he
said this. O. J. Simpson spoke on and Bobby, let

(10:20):
me tell, let me be very transparent with my audience,
because I think I'm a pretty wise bird. But you know,
Murdoch almost had me with the whole maid thing, because
timmy my dog, has almost knocked me down the stairs
a couple of times because he tries to walk with
me down the stairs and I don't look down. So
when they said that the maid. The dog knocked the
maid down the stairs. I look to some people, that's

(10:41):
like that don't sound right. That actually has almost happened
to me a couple of times, so that part I
could have actually resonated with. But I'll tell you it
was his demeanor, his arrogance, and everything they asked him,
he had an answer right then. Then you didn't think
about it, you didn't try to relive it. You just
hit all all of these because he's been working at it, right,

(11:02):
you know, this is what his job was. I mean,
he was a personal injury attorney. But yeah, and so
that made me like, I'm gonna say what I feel.
I feel this nigga lion, and you really and it's true.
It's it's yeah, I agree with you. He was to
me he was so obvious. But maybe it's because sometimes

(11:24):
when I don't like somebody, you know, you make preconsumed notions.
But he seemed so obvious to me. Well, um, here's
my thoughts on that. Yes, he's doing two consecutive life terms.
Hopefully they would send him to a state prison and
not to a federal prison. So the time that the
however long he has left on this earth, would be
as harsh as possible because I am angry with one

(11:47):
of my children right now, but me taking one of
my keys out absolutely not. Yeah, I can't even imagine
you would put them out before you take them out.
You know, if they're not working for you and they're
not listening, then there's the door. Honey. You know it
doesn't work. And I know that's easier said than done.
You know, was so crazy about they have to tam
has We got that money is the root about money,

(12:09):
and this, to me, this was the money. They were
already bona fire rich. This was power and stature. And
I'm uh, what is the word they took for granted
the fact that I can get away with any bait
because privilege away with privilege. It's I'm glad you said
a white woman, because I didn't want to say why

(12:30):
you was on the lad Why a woman say privilege?
You know it's the truth. It is. Well, it's not
only was it white privilege, it was financial privilege. Right,
they were used to have in power privilege. These are
people that you you just said a few um statements
ago that they ran everything they were used to that privilege.
Bringing back forward and he thought that that was going
to continue on. And I don't know how he thought that.

(12:52):
You know, first of all, I don't know how his
son sat in that courtroom and didn't come out with
the same conclusions that we did. But probably he probably
got who's going to pick up go back home to
his house or whatever. I can't even imagine where the
money came to try him. I and that's privilege, because
you know, he didn't have all the financing probably to
pay these attorneys, so they were doing it for free.

(13:14):
If it were me, my ass would be in jail
because I'd be getting a public defender. I don't have
the money for that kind of those kind of attorneys.
I could sell my soul, it wouldn't be worth much.
Um oh here, let me let me, let me be
the cynic, because here's the bonus. The Sun played the
party in the corpor room. But the Sun gets everything
now because the daddy is gold for ever, so the
Sun gets all the the's left, the homes, the cars, whatever,

(13:36):
what's left. Well, I'm sure if they've been stealing all
these years, he had a stash that nobody knew about.
I'm sure you think, I think when you I mean,
he's supposed to be an addict, right, Um you know,
knowing people that have addiction in my own family, they
just they go. They use up everybody's resources. Um. And
you know when we're Irish, so we get more of

(13:57):
the Irish curses, not like the stealing and stuff. But
he was. If he's an actual addict with pills or whatever,
he could have gone through it all. You know, I'd
be interested. It'll be interested, you say, with what the
poor kid after the attorneys, what's left? Well, whatever he was,
he is no longer. But what he is now is
a prisoner of the state of South Carolina. So heads
off to South Carolina for the justice system at least serving.

(14:18):
And it worked something great in this lifetime at this time.
So I appreciate that too, and I think that, um,
I do too. He looks like mister clean right now.
Did you see him. He's got his head shaved. I
don't want the visit. I'm sure my name is that
all his visically, I'm sure he doesn't have made its unfortunately. Okay.

(14:42):
Prayers to the family and everybody involved, all the victims
that were scammed and taken them by Murdoch and the family.
Prayers to you guys were going out to Chicago my home.
Okay town. We're sorry. Chicago has voted out the old
man and voted the new mirror. The old Mirror was

(15:02):
the first openly black gay woman. Her name is the
first name, Laura Ray, last named Lightfoot, and she walked
around with her Pivo suit so on and her her
nineties hair cut and talk plenty of smack. Let me
tell you what Lorie's downfall was that we've had a
black mirror in Chicago before we had Harold Washington, who
was a great mayor. May he rest in peace. Laurie

(15:23):
Lyfood came in something like a big dog, and all
the promises that she made she couldn't deliver. She went
left with that Lakwan Daniels being shot fourteen times in
his back and didn't do nothing. Didn't uphold that for
black people. That black people wanted her to do a
what is it a law and order? They wanted her
to really do an executive decision and get rid of
those officers. She did not. She also lost credibility with

(15:47):
the police officers because they turned their back from her
at one point in time. But that wasn't even the
icing on the cakes. I think on the cake was
the school board. She crossed those teaching on baby. Let
me tell you something I said all the time. The
PTA got a lot of weight. But when those teachers
ran together with those school boys, they can they can
cancel some shit, Bobby. She got sixteen percent of the vote.

(16:09):
That's like eighty thousand people voting for her in the city,
in a huge metropolitan area of Chicago, which is huge.
Nobody wanted her. She she's outstitched and she was talking
all this match. She has the biggest dick in Chicago
and WOA boy had the shrunk baby. Because they get
rid of that ass. And I'm not laughing or gloating
about it, because people are tearing hup. They try to
say they get rid of her because she was openly gay.

(16:31):
That had absolutely nothing to do with her. The same
people who they knew she was openly gay when she won,
they voted for she won exactly, yeah, unanimously. It had
nothing to do with her sexual orientation. It had the
fact to do with she did not and could not
and was inadequate doing that job. She won't get it again.
Do you know anything at all about the is it

(16:54):
valanced his name Paul Valence. Yes, a decent she think
it's a decent replace h well, no, okay, not to
put you on, not to put you on a fox.
And you know, if I didn't want to answer, I
wouldn't it. No, it's not. But sometimes when you have

(17:15):
messed up too bad, you're willing to take a chance
and have a change, even if you know that that
change may not even be better than what you had.
You're willing to take a chance or something that which
is how we got that president that the last president
we had, right, because sometimes people are willing to take
a chance and a gambo because you're tired of what
you had been seeing through with the current administration. Lorie

(17:36):
dropped about if Lorid needs to blame anybody, Laurie needs
to blame Lorie. That's just the truth. But Paul Vallence
ain't gonna be no better. He's not. He's not gonna
be any better. But you know what, I don't live
in Chicago anymore, so I love and I don't even
know who the mayor of Long Beach is. I know
I voted for him because he was Democratic, but I
swear I don't know who it is because we got

(17:57):
rid of the bad ones. I hope the new one
is good. Fingers cross fingers and Charles and they let
me just say they have they have a mean out
of Lory Lightfoot sitting in a wife beater on the
side of a curve in the snow with all her
friends say oh my god, nobody give me the Internet.
Oh my god, it's hilarious. Will go now. Well, here's

(18:21):
the thing. She has a life partner, right, a wife.
Her wife is a Caucasian, and the wife, the wife's
beliefs and the wife's um policies are very different from Laury's.
I think that the pillow talk may have changed, or
may have muddy Laurie's mind to do what would help

(18:43):
her people. And when I say her people, I ain't
talking about black people, I'm not gay people. I'm talking
about Chicagoans who really care about the city of Chicago.
I think that she lost sight of that, and and
it was a detriment. It was a Naila her coffee
because they damn show six even sit isn't embarrassing and
might she won by a landslad, but she loves by

(19:04):
this same landslad who it's a double land so it's
not the truth. Well, you know, and this I would
love to believe that. Um not with just Laurie. If
people aren't doing what they're saying in politics right now,
especially in today's culture, I'm praying that people vote them out.
You know, like my hat's always said local, we're going

(19:24):
since that. You didn't open that, Bobbie Clifford, are you
are you opening the door to say Marjorie Taylor Glee greet?
Oh god, she said she needs to say, said, I
asked out of space. So Amy's though, I can tell
you what she needs. She needs a hairbrush, she needs
some dick, she needs something she just I mean, I
find it hystorical that a serial harasser, somebody who went

(19:50):
after a poor kid, um that was involved in that
school shooting. The um she oh she supposedly. I don't
that's suppose like Kip somebody that was in her way.
You know, those are stories. I don't necessarily believe that.
But um, yes, not not to cut you out, Bobby,

(20:10):
go ahead, because I don't want to forget this point.
I am so floored by these politicians that keep holland
they need a safe space to say, a safe space
from home. Please tell me from home from her. Y'a'll
create these monsters, and y'all create these demons. Then y'all
want to say, oh, they're after me, but you created this. Nobody.
Nobody is after these politicians like that unless you're not,

(20:32):
like you said, unless they're not doing the job that
they were hired for. Marjorie Taylor Greenen lost a man
the disrespect that she showed Joe Biden. They were sitting president,
oh my god, while he was making the State of
the Union address, sitting there looking like a hole on
forty seven Street in Chicago at home right. Oh it.

(20:54):
And had that been and had that been any other nationality, Indigenous, Asian, Iranian, Black,
they would have tore them upon. But they allowed this
woman to yell out and be disrespectful to the president.
I'm not shucked by it because when President Obama was
the president, lots of them deep Oh I remember July July. Um,

(21:16):
they should have shut it down. You know, her leadership
he gave us, he gave a little nod um, but
he didn't literally shut the whole thing down. He shouldn't,
you know, there should have been more action with that.
But I mean, this is that David Hogg I could
not think of that kid's name. Um, and she went
after Ocasio Cortez too. She was so like vicious with her,

(21:38):
and so we need to save space from her. So
what she's talking about she wants the states to divorce themselves. Um,
I would like for them to divorce her. Answer, they
keep vote her in office. And if she wants to
save space, she can go to out of space because
the aliens are waiting for her. They only like white meat.
I believe that anyway. So yeah, that's up there, Um,

(22:01):
the Twilight Zone. How to serve man? Yeah, serve margins?
How to serve Margary with some butter as some potatoes?
Thank that to God. That's Asterifa. It's so proprious that
you keep how you want to say. So, where are
you gonna go? We all live in the same country,
whether whether we want to or not, but we're all here.

(22:23):
We're gonna have to make you work to where we
can live together in unity. I don't see that happen
at any time, So especially with people like that, not
with her. Yes, yeah, who are help keeping confusion in
the world. And the worst of it is when you
really sit back and you look, it's a handful of them.
A handful is they're ruining everything for the bulk of us. Um,

(22:44):
you know, for the rest of us who do want
to get along. You know, my best friend is a Republican.
We get along beautifully because she's got great values I have.
I have my great values, and then we just kind
of come together on them. It's I mean, you have
to I miss the days of I said this too
before Tip O'Neal and you know, like all the graves
Ted Kennedy that would go in and they would battle

(23:06):
it out, put their dukes up and battle it out
on the floor of Congress or the Senate, and then
they'd be out having a stake in a in a
highball at night. Well because they knew it. Very great point,
because I think I've said this on Coffee Champ before.
I know some great Republicans, it's these are not Those
are not Republicans. Those are not I know they fall
up under the Republican Party, but those are the rain streamers.

(23:29):
Ron Palm was a fantastic republic I would have voted
fahim a president of full on Democrat. But he cared
about the American people. See that we want people that
care about people, not color, not stature, right, education and power.
But that this new these new fingo um Trump Trublicans,

(23:50):
that's really what they are. Have the sight of what
it is to be in government and to care because
you're serving you. That's a that's a term, that's an
office of service. You're in service to them, in detriment
to the people. But they're not. They're only it's all
self absorbed. It's all about what I can get for
me right around me, not the people who voted me in.

(24:11):
Because probably some of these people who have become politicians,
they free as didn't eve vote for them because they
free as knew they was fucked up. I might vote
for you as you terrible, but they don't know that.
But I'm you know, I will make it look good
on paper. No, and it should I mean, we shouldn't
get to a point where we're so divided where it's
us in them. For instance, we're just talking about voting
her out. Her people might be desperate to get her

(24:34):
out of office. But if they do, oh, a Democrat
could get in, you know, So they feel like the
evil they know is better than the evil that instead
of saying she's not good for the people. She needs
to be removed from office, and let's put the next
best person that's going to serve us, you know, the
best that they can in. But where we're not to
a place I'm hoping that we'll turn around. I feel

(24:56):
like I just I saw President Biden the the day
I was killing myself speaking about her, her name came up,
or the divisiveness within the country came out. I nique, um,
he said, um. He started to bring her name up,
and he gave the sign of the Cross. You know,
that's a good old Catholic thing. Oh Jesus, And I
thought he does have one hell of a sense of humor.

(25:16):
Oh God, bless him. And what you saying that, Bobby,
thank you? Because they keep holland Obiden is too old.
He's too old. He's too as opposed to what too
young at not being able to do the job. He's
just like me up, he's old, but he gets the
job done. He puts his head down. So what people
are He's got his head down and he's quiet about
this is here, just keeps moving fullard. What can I push?

(25:37):
What can I move? What can I is? He? I
think that if you asked him himself flame. He would
say he probably wasn't the best as far as age,
but what was the choice? And he will continue. He's
surrounded himself with at least decent people or looking for
decent people. So if anything happened to him, I get
a little nervous with Kamala. But that's a whole nother story,
a whole other show. Being about to get mad at

(25:59):
me on this. He surrounded himself with brilliant women. That's
what he did, and that's what yeah, women, women right
now of all nationality and color are taken over and
run his shit properly. And that was for that old mind,
old adult mind. That was purposeful. That is what he

(26:19):
said he was going to do. He went in and
he did it. I know that people m people get
frustrated that things aren't happening as quickly as they could.
But he cannot lead one percent by executive order. The
other thing he ran on is that he was going
to try to bring the two parties together, so I
he is stepping on Well, we heard him in the
State of the Union. If certain things come up to him,

(26:41):
he is going to vote by executive order, So don't
even bring it forward. I also thought it was terrific
that you and I were spoken about this before that
he m on camera in front of everybody and all
of us us watching, has them on record that nobody
is touching Medicare and Social Security, oh and the plus
of that. And and he just approved that everybody who

(27:05):
had takes insolent if the thirty five dollars the only
paper that is that is what might get him back
in office again, because kind of dude to get the
other one back office is we're gonna go to the
next subject is used trans the transgender issue, the transgender
this and the transgender and they're using kids. Donald Trump
came out and had a whole statement about he was

(27:26):
just stood for his first day in office, it was
gonna be easily removed, and he was using a kid. Hey,
he don't give a damn about nobody else's kids. He
don't give a dam about his own. He doesn't exactly,
it's the underplay for the overplay. That's what he's saying
about trend that the damage and transgender kids. Now, granted,
all some things that you say about that, and he's

(27:48):
extreme with it, but y'all get ready because just my mouth,
I'm transgender some things he ain't all the way about
if something kids do not need to be a posted.
So I know that we're going we're going to be
going into the bill forty three, which was a perfect

(28:10):
sent flame, thank you. And I don't when I read
it on the when I read it and it's up
in front of me, That's why I'm pointing. When I
read it and in its entirety, I don't think it's
all wrong. But then the flip side is, but is
this the first bit of restriction or regulation for other
things that are coming down? Because you know pieces of it.

(28:32):
It's about children under eighteen. First off, I have to
be honest with you. I have never gone to a
drag breakfast or even a drag show. I have seen
the ones that you have been gracious and generous enough
to let us see. I think they're entertaining. Nobody is
copping a squad on anybody. Well, there's no nudity because,

(28:53):
like you said, you've never been at now I never have.
I never have posted the drag shows in Chicago for
nineteen years, I've done drag brushes. Is what people do
bring their children. I have actually brought my children to
the drag brush for me because I didn't have a babysitter.
The difference was I am transgender. My children knew who
I was as an entertainer, so they all they kind

(29:15):
of like knew what to expect when you bring a
kid who has never experienced that or seen that. I'm
not a God knows. I am not siding with no
damn Donald Trump. But when I say that, I understand
where some of these people are coming from with some
of the vulgarity that happens that it and it's not
vulgar when you're an adult and you can handle it,

(29:35):
but when you're five and six years old and you
see it and shaking the ass and the titty slipping out,
and you know, and something that they got a whole
new thing of the bearded queens. To me as a
five or six year old, I will be kind of,
what the hell is this? I don't know because my
clowns and the circus were bows oled and and homie,

(29:59):
you know what I I mean. I think clouds that
made me laugh and with the big red noses and
the big shoes. This I don't understand this, And if
the parents does not to and I still believe that
the responsibility of explaining where you are taking your kid
or what you're exposing your kid too falls be falls
on the person who is responsible for raising that kid.

(30:22):
And I agree with that too. But why can't we then,
why can't we do this? Why can't we put guidelines
on it FLA instead of like the drinking age is
twenty one, why can't we say that in order to
go to these events, you must be eighteen, if that's
their magical age. So the branches are done at restaurants.
So if you're bringing your children to the restaurant and

(30:44):
you happen to get a free show about the show,
you don't think of it like, oh, oh, I see
what you'd say. I'm very honest and transferred. I have
seen people with their children at the drag brudges, and
when it got too vulgar for them, they left. They
took their children and left, And that's how that's how
it should be. I have to say I didn't think
they from what we see when I when I see it,

(31:05):
I just see you all in beautiful clothing and singing
to lovely songs and reenacting. So I've never seen anything
that's been vulgar. I've never seen nudity of them, so
at least the one performance, I've lost the levels of
entertainment when it comes down to tremaale Imfirst Nation and
drag and some and a lot of girls. You know,
they get body. When I was young, When I was
a young queen, I wanted to be neked out. I

(31:26):
would wear PACs and a piece of tape. Oh but
we best. We worked in the nightclub. So the reason
why it was so different was you had to be
twenty one anyway to get here. See now these brunches
because they didn't have brunches when I was young. These
brunchetes have become quite popular and a lot of women come.
They're mostly popular for women, single mothers, girlfriends that have

(31:50):
bridesmaid's parties and exact clarities. Yeah, bring their children, and
I don't think that they think of any long term
damage that it may or may not do because of that,
if you haven't taken the time to explain to your
kid where you're going, what you might see, what could
possibly happen. I don't think that you should be able
to blame the entertainer because right ask you to go

(32:13):
to that you took your kids to that, right, No,
I agree with dat blaming the parrot. I know sometimes
you want to get away, you don't have a babysitter.
People fall out of you at the last minute and
you really want to go. You spend your money, what
have you. But again, who you gonna blame. You can't
blame the entertainer. So while they trying to pass that

(32:33):
bill forty three in Tennessee, no drag shows, Bobby, I
paid my rent and took care of my children for
years off doing drag shows. That is a lot of
these kids livelihood. And that's so that's why I'm like, well,
why can't we do a protection because I'm reading it
and I just don't see that they have prosthetic genitalia
or maybe prosthetic best there's no sexual activity that I'm

(32:56):
aware of. They don't want it to public funding. Okay,
so don't have these state pay for them. I don't know.
I just don't. I don't. Here's the here's here's the kicker,
the god. Here I go with my mouth. Don't get
yourself in trouble, Well, that's impossible. My name is Flam.
I'm gonna always be in trouble. Here's the killer to that.

(33:18):
I think that when they started doing the storytime drag
queens and the library and stuff and bringing kids, I
think that because the responsibility then fell on the artists. Now,
this is why I blame the artist. Because if I'm
going to come and read to a bunch of kids five, six,
seven years old, I ain't going to dress like a Mormon.

(33:38):
I will have a shirt on covering up to my
neck right, you know, all the way down to my ankles.
But the problem word, they were trying to show up
dressed like Beyonce in a concert with their asses out
and the fake booze. So I'm a five or six
year old kid. You're reading me with little red riding hood.
But I'm so fascinated that seeing your ass, said, your
tits and all this glamorous hair in the dress, and

(34:00):
then maybe a beard stuff because some of them had
beard stuff that I don't. I'm not interested in the
story you're telling me. I'm too busy looking at the
story that I'm looking at. I'm looking at a story
didn't know if somebody needs he to me? Do you
understand what I mean? No, I do. I've seen two
pictures of them while I was trying to research the subject,
and one looks sort of like a clown. I'm only

(34:23):
saying that it's the typical what you would think of,
not even trans as much as like the drag queen,
you know, like the being here. And I will say
she looked like she had a fifties outfit on, so
she was sort of covered. I didn't see that, but
she was very overt. And then the next person didn't.
They were just like you said, They had a pauncho

(34:43):
on an you know, they had their hair, they were
just cleaned up. They just happened to be a trans
person reading the reading the story. So I thought, what
is the problem. And she happened to the person I
just discussed was reading to neuro neurosensitive kids, and they
loved her like they for some reason, I don't know
if it was the lower voice, they really connected with her.
So I thought, it's not a wonderful thing and it's

(35:04):
not going to be taken away. And that's what I'm
saying bout it. If there is a responsibility level on
both sides for the parrots and for the entertainer, you
know what I'm gonna do for a bunch of twenty
five year old young totally different will be not what
I'm gonna do for a bunch of five or six
year old. First of all, I'm fini best with nobody's kids,
No way, I'm trying to get rid of my own.

(35:25):
But even as a comedian, you have to understand the
room that you worked as a responsibility. I would not
go into a room full of Trumpers and talk politics
bad about Trump. Now I'll talk about his shape, I'll
talk about his hair, the fact that he McDonald's. I
have to make it funny to the people that I
You have to know your audience, or then you do

(35:46):
a more disservice not only to yourself, but to the
next entertender that may come behind you that thinks or
looks like you. Do you understand, I mean I do. Yeah.
I'm wondering as you're just saying that to me, because
I'm thinking you're a parent. I'm wondering if the one
that was dressed very conservatively is apparent and the one
that was dressed more avertly maybe wasn't. So you are

(36:09):
right read the room, But I think your personal experience
also leads to maybe some judgments that you make that's
not appropriate to address. I'll be once. Yeah, I'm here,
Bobby Clifford, because when I was twenty one, twenty two,
twenty five and I was doing shows and people will
bring the keys around, who was it? And the first
thing they was like, it's keys here would get The
first thing I would say, is it ain't my kid?

(36:29):
So it was I wasn't reckless at that time because
I didn't have any children. So it's very valid what
you see it because once you have your own children,
your responsibility that will changes. Hm. It absolutely, um, it
absolutely does. I was just looking good. So it's Sarah
hockeyby Saunders that is. Um that's telting this thing in Arkansas, right.

(36:52):
So there were a couple of the other things that
she stopped right away and I am I am linking
on them. Um. Oh La doesn't want to use lax.
The reason be Sander don't want drag shows. See because
even the look better than her, even the ugly Israel
Cory Brittant, good god, she looked like he got up

(37:15):
and down syndrome at the same time. Before y'all, I
have a special needs sister. That was a joke. That
wasn't That's Okay, everybody, that's labler. Yeah, she got rid
of critical race theory in the public schools and the
word Latin X immediately she thought that they were, as
she thinks ethically, in sensitive and pejorative language has no

(37:36):
place in official government documents. My my, my, my, my response.
They about critical race theory and we don't want to
teach what happened in the past. But meanwhile you get
this goddamn Paul Representative Paul Sharell, who wants to bring
back hanging from a treat as capital punishment. Here's the
killer to me, Bobby, here's the hypocrisy of this baffled

(37:59):
ass country. You want to ban books that will teach
us history so that we won't repeat it, but you
want to keep selling air of fifties that make us history.
And then you want to go back to doing things
that was part of history just because you want to
relive it, but you don't want us to know that
we went through it. It is the most preponderous country
to me that we are so crazy. I don't understand that.

(38:21):
It's the division, right, it's the division. I will say,
just as a disclaimer that ABC News reported that he
did he did report he didn't apologize, is that his
exaggerated comments or intended to convey my belief with the
cruelest and most heinous crimes, just as society requires the
death penalty and kind he was doing it and his
intention was to express support for the families who wait

(38:43):
protecting its for justice. I sincerely apologize to anybody I
might have heard or offended that kiss this Bobby. Oh y'all,
y'all know I'm a fair that fairest person on the internet.
Here's the killer. If I thought that people can handle
watching their lave hanging and nowadays, I would be all
for it, because he's right. When you do something horrific shit,
especially to a kid or to a senior, you deserve

(39:05):
what the fuck you get. But here's the thing. The
society we live in there you can't say boo to
a person and they, oh, my god, you're heart by feelings. Y'all.
Feelings are too sensitive. The people that experience public hangings
back in seventeen eighteen, nineteen hundreds could handle it. This
society can't handle it. Baby their babies, they clam babies.
There woulds I do. But I do want to point

(39:28):
out something that I thought was that was horrible about
the statement about his statement was he's not talking playing,
He's not talking about hanging them from the gallows, like
that's how we used to have the public hangings. Right,
he's talking about the lynchings, um that you would hang
somebody over a tree. And let's remember that lynchings really are.

(39:48):
It's punishment without trial, and it generally meant that because
that was lynch law, it was. It generally meant that
people in power, without without the privilege just giving someone
a trial with hang somebody. Is he then suggesting that
that that that's the next direction that we're gonna take,
this is the first step. I don't know. I don't.

(40:09):
I wasn't there, so I don't but a lot of
jealous that wasn't submit subliminal ratio dig about that when
he said from the tree bactly. But I understood, because
I'm very grown, I understand what he was saying. Am
I giving him a path? Absolutely not. But I do
hear what he was saying because I'm a realist. I

(40:30):
do live in this country. I'm an America, and people
do horrific things that should have horrific punishments. But I
get I get that I get. And he shouldn't have
say a tree, He should have stayed like you said.
But maybe that's how he really feels on the other side. Oh,
but that's what I'm saying, So that what's the next
thing that he is going to say? Just he was
only jumping the bandwagon for somebody else that they had

(40:50):
just um had just mentioned firing squad. Jesus, what are
we going back to World War Two? I thought firing
squad was actually pretty fair though, Bobby, to be honest,
because they loaded one gun, so you never know who
had the loaded guns, so you never know who killed
the person. That's good for the people that are shooting,
but it's still for the person. For the person on

(41:11):
the other end, they still see ten ten guns fie
basil gunna so much. But you don't have which way
the faith. You just know you're gonna get it. You
gotta get it, That's exactly. And I would just I
wish they all had I all had a bullet least,
you know, it would be a direct It mean to
be the worst thing. To get hit and then paralyzed,
then what do they do with you? Did they they
stick you up against a stick and then do it again.

(41:34):
I don't know. Oh, good point. By good point. Because
when you get when you get hung, if you live,
if you don't die from the front, they let you go.
Oh I don't know if that might be. But I
don't know about that. If you get hung and you
don't break it, you don't they let you go. They
let you free. They probably think you some sort of
which don't because when you when they were accuse you

(41:58):
be to which they burned you at the stake. You know,
I would have had some stakes outs on me because
you know that burned me up a long time ago. Baby,
They said that trade that trans woman got to go.
We don't know what the hell that is. Oh my god,
it is, you know. And I said, I weren't gonna
go down this road, but I got to go down
this road before we go to that one. What I'm
so baffled about it is that I don't know what

(42:19):
my entertainment sisters and brothers, because a lot of U
trans me and actually do shows too. Tennessee is really
big for training for drag shows too. They have club
Play and a couple of other clubs there, and they
have a lot of little local clubs where girl. This
is how they pay their rent, take care of themselves,
you know. And but Bobby Clifford, I'm gonna say this,

(42:42):
and I know I'm to lose some of my LGBTs.
I lost about to of y'all anyway. But when when
the Supreme Court and I went online the very same
day Overturn Road versus Wade, I said to all of
my trans sisters and I get LGBT community, we have
to stand women because if they have taken women race

(43:02):
this easily, do you know what they are going to
do to us, Bobby. We fight over pronouns, we fight
over bathroom issues, we fight over whatever name you're gonna
call me, non binary, and the this, that and the Meanwhile,
the legislation has been moving like a machine to clear us.
I said in twenty nineteen on the Breakfast Club and

(43:24):
Altivity hash presents. They ready Donald Trump is trying to
completely erase the transgender community. He wants to do away.
I don't even think it's gay. I believe it should
have been deader with the trans I don't know what
that is about, but we should be pushing that. Meanwhile,
we got this senator or this, yeah, the senator in

(43:44):
Tennessee who wants the bay and Dragon shows and they
got a picture this man in full on drag. And
I'm not talking about in one day holloway drag. This
was experienced drag. He was like, you have been doing
it for quite some time. Who signed the build no
Dragon shows. Also we got George Siantos, who lads were
in the office openly gay the Dragon shows. I don't

(44:07):
even Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I'm stand the Santos
saying I don't keep out of my community about that nothing. Yeah,
I don't understand that. The Santos thing, I mean, I
don't even understand. I mean, I God, bless um Mitt Romney.
He was our he was our governor Verre for a while.

(44:28):
He's staid aboutbout the only one that stood up to
him and told him he should be embarrassed go to
the back of the room like he was sitting there
trying to get Biden's handshake. I mean, the arrogance of them.
I think there's gonna be something wrong with them. Um,
But I don't understand how we still in. I know
that they don't want to give it up because they
don't want to have another vote. And then to have
a chance of with such a narrow margin having a
Democrat get in. But I don't know how he is

(44:50):
a good representation of what you you want to sell
e b. Which is by polar LGB by pol I
am greed, that's a good one. I've he is something
he's And my problem is y'all go after the smallest thing.

(45:11):
Y'all attack, y'all attack anybody. But I said anything, but
this man is making moves that will change the future
as he is serious part from me, Bobby Clifford, I
don't even agree with my community most of the time
on the BS. When it's something that some legislation that's
important to me and our kind, I'm with him. But
when it's some bullshit bathroom or what you call me,
I'm not with that. Here's the killer though. If Trump

(45:34):
get an office like he said he was gonna remove
it the first day. If he decided to do executive
order and put all trades people on an island or
in prison or whatever, guess what I'm brother, I fall
up under even though I don't speak like them. Yeah
that's true, because I still am trades. So no, I'm
gonna have a voice and I'm gonna speak because I

(45:55):
don't see it. I watched Biomar the other day and
he said that it has backfire. We have pushed and
pushed and pushed and get we get the Brocco president.
Bobby gave us game here. We got so many different equalities,
but we kept on going. It was never enough. We
kept taking and taking and taking and take it, and
they got fed up with it, like we're done, and

(46:16):
now it looks like it's going in another direction and
not for the good. I hate that, Bobby, I hate
and I hate that I have to see that. I no,
I agree with you. I will say that I am
proud and happy that the current president is trying to
keep some of those so safeguards around you in the
rights and whatnot. But I agree, and I don't understand.

(46:38):
I don't understand enough about your community. Why what the
complaints actually are. I mean, there's always complaints, I know that,
but I'm just saying that i'd rather I'd like to
do the big stuff first claim and be comfortable they
are before they go right into the nitty gritty. They're
going inside out, if that makes any sense. Um and Bobby,

(46:59):
here's the scariest by the writing is on the wall,
but they don't see it. The writing is on the wall,
but they don't see it. Maybe maybe, maybe maybe I'm
too white. Maybe I'm like Gypsy rose Lee. I was
born too sold and started to lay good. That's the
story of my life. But you know, I this shit

(47:22):
I and I see politics for twenty twenty four is
gonna be gritty and dirty, and I'm watching all the
reality unfold. All of these people, especially from Fox, who
knew that that hole stopped to steal and then stole
the captain was bullshit. It's all coming out now. The
preponderous party is the Democrats act like they don't see that,

(47:42):
and people who vote for them act like they don't
see that because they want what they want. Y'all knew
it too. Y'all knew it too. It was seventy six
million people voted for this man. I bet you seventy
six million of them knew it. But that that was
not the agenda. It wasn't not too may him for
lead to other free world. They wanted somebody in position

(48:03):
of power that spoke like they spoke, what thought like
they thought? He don't think that They again a bro.
He served McDonald's for athletes. That's not a brain. Yeah, no,
I know, Yeah, I don't. I don't even understand him.
I don't get him. I don't he was a Oh.
I don't even want to I don't even want to
get I don't want to give him any credence. But
he was a bad person to begin with. Think if

(48:23):
he used to bring Marlin Mayballs on family trips with
his wife and children and thought that was okay. I
thought he was kind of a crumbumb back that he
didn't pay his He didn't pay to build Trump Tower.
He brought people from Poland and all these other countries.
They didn't have a plot to pissoner or wanted to
throw it out. And then they got here and he
decided not to pay them. They had no way to
go home. Like, this is not a good person. This

(48:45):
is an aside from I don't care for him as
a president. I just didn't care for him as a
man to begin with. Talk about privilege and power and
access and well I was wittish foolery before he got
into politics. That was a wittish foolery. Well, he was
entertaining to me. He was an entertaining clown. To me,
he just got out a buffoon, a big buffona. But
Bold become the president of the United States and he

(49:08):
did not change his spots. He was still a entertaining clown.
He just was in position of power to destroy this country.
And guess what he put us on the pathway. Ernard's true.
I know we look like Thank god, not as much now,
but we were looking like big old boots to other countries.
Let me tie you up. It ain't over. Yeah, it's

(49:29):
not over. But I'm gonna tell you what I do.
Love the fact that I saw Biden go make a
sneak trip over to to you Ukraine. On the low Biden.
Biden is trying to repair so many broken fences that
Trump did. Trump left that office and so many people
that we had as allies before, right because he was

(49:52):
so ignorant and rude to them and disrespectful and just
his way or no way. And that is not how
you make things work in a world that we all
have to live in. Because everybody keep on, oh, they're
gonna send the nukes. If any country send a nuke,
every country has to send a nuke, because well that
would be the end of the world. You know, that's
what they always say about World War right, they hollerand nukes.

(50:14):
It's all a decoy to me to raise prices and
raise the economy. But if one country send a nuke,
every country that has nukes has to send that nukes
because everybody's dying and you wouldn't want to live anyway after.
What would be left after a nuclear war, you know
there'd be there'd be nothing us. You tell me you

(50:34):
won't be no more chick fil A. Oh girl, I'm
doing Oh my god, don't even say it. Oh, let
me share you speaking of chick Filate. If Tennessee clothes
stop the dragon shows in Tennessee. I need all the
gay boys to go get a job at chick Filate.
Every time I go to Chickfila, I know that whole
Christian and there every Chick fil A I've ever been
to anybody in the country have the gayest of the gays.

(50:56):
But has the county They have on the cakes and
the feathers. Oh my god, Oh my god, that's talk
about entertainment. Oh my, they float to the county. Do
you feel as you now? I would like very dust
with that shake. Please, thank you? Very much. My pleasure,
my pleasure, and I can say it, y'all, I'm probably
the community even when y'all don't want me to be.

(51:17):
This plus is laughing lear. We got heavy, We gotta
go light. I hope you guys have enjoyed us for
the laughing lear. We are back to politics, and I'm
telling you I'm going I may go hard, i may
go deep, but I'm gonna try to be factual and
I'm gonna give it to you. From my perspective, you
don't always have to agree with me. You don't. I
welcome you not agree with me because with you not

(51:39):
agree with me, but not being disrespectful towards each other.
You may teach me something that I didn't know, but
if you that same of cored it goes to you.
You may not agree with the way it comes out
of my mouth, but if you listen to the heart
message that I'm giving you, not the hard message, but
the heart message, you will hear that. I mean, well,
I'm just trying to be as honest as I can

(51:59):
possibly be. I got some lives, but that's on love Landels,
which is later Bobby Cliver. I cannot thank my tests
enough y'all make the noise of Bobby Clip. Bobby, thank
you for being my very first special guests on Laugh
and Learn, and thank you for just being always right
there by me. You started at the kitchen at thirty

(52:21):
two glend Or sitting in there window with that dog
Barkain doing the pandemic where we found each other. I'm
gonna tell you, y'all, we always think that things are
harmful or hurtful, or God don't know what he's doing.
God knows exactly what he's doing. We don't understand is
sometimes when you're in it, you just gotta survive through
it to see another day is coming, and one day

(52:42):
all will be revealed to you if you sit back
and open your ears and your eyes and shed your mouth.
It's true. It's hard to do, especially with me. Pandemic
was terrible. The panamic was terrible in so many different ways.
But it's so many other different ways, and y'all might
not even understand where I'm going with this. It was
a blessing to people. People found themselves, People read the

(53:05):
corporate hobbies and people made money, and people realize that
I like myself, I can spend time by myself. I
don't have to run the rat race of going into
this office. The stress levels went down, but then the
loneliness cave so it was you. It's a cast twenty
two all the way around. But I hope doing the pandemic.
You met some people on like I did, that loved

(53:28):
what I had to say, and they thought that they
I was healing them with my words. The whole time
they were healing me because I've only been and I
shared that with my listeners. Y'all think I'm entertaining y'all.
You have no idea that y'all kept me a lot
have doing the pandemic. You know, I had crazy keys.

(53:49):
I was second house of crazy kids. But and I hope,
and I encouraged people. That's what you do. You spread
information and good and good feelings to people. They spread
to somebody else. We could be a better world. But
when you spread, hey, that's spreads too. It's true, It's
true you you created a beautiful community, the flame backed
community and the little sub communities. I met three of

(54:11):
the most important people in my life just through you,
and you've been nothing but a gifts to me. I
thank you for that, and that's the way I'm not
gonna be too smart because I know I need to
pay it yet listen. Thank you guys for joining us
here at Laugh and Learn. Thank you to my producer
Air and here and Laugh and Learn we have the

(54:32):
same mine that we have half of the last two years.
Thank you guys for riding with me for my first
season with Nick Smith, my second season with Lord Holgan,
and now it's just me and the flamemans that I
bring in or sometimes you just might get me. But
here at Laugh and Learn, we are never trying to
get you to change your mind. We are only trying
to get you to use your mind, because that mind
is what Bobby, I'd be a terrible thing to waste.

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My mind is a terrible thing too. It is you
use your mind, use your heart. You don't always have
to agree with everybody else. When you feel it in
your constitution. That is what's being called the courage of
your conviction. Stand on it. You might look wrong to
everybody else, but if you feel right to you, that
is what's most important. Okay, So thank you for joining

(55:18):
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(55:39):
you listen to your podcast follow my girl. Bobby Clifford
at Clifford Bobby she back was like me only I'm
back with only on Instagram at Clifford Bobby b O
b B. I that you hear that, man Keith thinking
b on BP, and I'm telling you, Bobby, Bobby don't
really come on LAB. And whenever Bobby is, then somebody's

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else's live. Bobby is in medical administration. She's sharp, she's witty.
Guess what she is because all my flamemts is smart,
so that's a given and clever. But what Bobby is
is Bobby is fair. And if more people in this
America was just fair to each other, I promise you
this would be a great America. Because it ain't been

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