September 12, 2025 • 43 mins
In this episode of Laugh and Learn, Flame Monroe and co-host Bobbi Clifford tackle America’s ongoing struggle with gun violence, reflecting on recent school shootings and the growing desensitization to tragedy. They explore the role of the internet in radicalizing youth, the influence of political rhetoric, and the importance of a free press in safeguarding democracy. The conversation also reflects on the legacy of 9/11, the challenges facing the trans community, and the urgency of addressing today’s polarized political climate.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 4 (01:12):
What's up? Tips?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Yeah?
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You know?
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Speaker 4 (01:17):
We're gonna last come him and kick it and at
the end we leave it with just a lifted spirits.
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Speaker 5 (01:26):
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Speaker 1 (01:29):
Cain't no this, do what you do?
Speaker 5 (01:32):
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Speaker 1 (01:32):
This do what I do?
Speaker 4 (01:34):
No this b we blame.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Hey, Hey, this is comedian Same Monroe and welcome to
this week's episode of Laugh and Learn. Let me tell
y'all something. This is juicy, juicy, juicy, juicy week. Up
and down like a roller coaster, kind of like my shake.
Speaking of shakes, Hi, this is my beautiful co host,
Bobby Clifford.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Mine's not up and down, It's just round and round.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Decide.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
How have you been this week? You were busy this week?
Where were you?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I was in Arizona. I had a great time, Reno,
you were fantastic. No, no, no, I said, Reno in Arizona. Okay, y'all,
y'all hear it. No, I was in Arizona. For Friday,
we were in Phoenix. Phoenix was good. But Saturday we
were in Tucson, and Tucson was amazing. Thank you Tucson
for coming out all that energy. We had the best time.
(02:44):
But I'm home now. I'm still trying to move. We're
still hoping that we don't know what we're gonna do.
We ain't gonna even talk about that. But this week,
this week, Bobby, this week in America. Yeah, First of all,
I'm gonna start off and say condoless to everyone who
has lost their lives in a school shooting. And we
just had a school shooting yesterday in Colorado. It was
(03:06):
overshadowed by another depth that we will get to. But
we did have a school shooting for some I think
it was middle school and I think four injured or
do you know the reason the statistics I think it was.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I think it was a student chart two of his
peers Wednesday before fatally shooting himself at ever Green High
School near Denver. One student and medical condition and one
has non life threatening injuries. And not to take away
from that, we can get back to that one second.
But I just heard it. It just popped on my
(03:40):
phone a few minutes ago that the US Naval Academy
in Annapolis is on lockdown.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Right now, let me tell you something, Bobby, Okay, let
me tell my real age. I don't know if the
Internet has cursed the youth. And as much as it
has opened up the world to all of us to
bring to us and to take us out to them,
I think it has persuaded people because these it's the
(04:06):
youth that seems so angry and so how so sixteen Bobby,
And I know that's not even the youngest shooter, but
I'm like, and then he took his own life, and
so you know, Yeah, our hearts go out to the
family till everybody involved, to the students that have survived,
to actually have to live through that, to see that.
We are a certain age, I don't want to see that.
(04:27):
You know. We saw a horrific shooting yesterday and we
saw the video and Bobby and I gaged. We didn't
agree on the whole situation, but when we saw the
actual physical of it, we gagged, like, oh my god,
death is death. I don't care what color you were,
what color you are, but I don't like that they
overshadowed this other man's death with the school shooting when
(04:48):
that is important. They lord the flags when we gonna
get to him, they lord the flags for him. But
what about these school shootings that are constantly happening here
in America? Where can we s? And I'm telling you, Bobby,
it's like, oh my god, another one. We don't even
hold it close to our heart, you know, you just
(05:08):
keep it moving, like like you said, were these instantive?
But to this point, this is extreme.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It is I think it's domestic terrorism in a way.
You know, I'm thinking of today as we're taping this.
It's nine to eleven, it's the twenty fourth anniversary of
nine to eleven where we lost over three thousand people.
It brought us to our knees, but it brought us together.
It unified us a really tricky time and I just
(05:36):
don't see that happening. I don't see the outrage. It's
almost it's like you forget You and I were were
talking offline and I said, my God, just think of
the shootings that have happened over the past month and
a half. We had that couple coming out of the
Jewish Assembly. There was some Jewish Assembly meeting and the
(06:01):
shooters that they were both Jewish. They weren't. We had
two political couples in Minnesota in their own homes on
one group was assassinated, including the dog, and then the
others were injured. You know that they will recover, and
these are just they feel like a lifetime ago and
they're not that long ago, and we're just building. We
(06:23):
had the kids getting shot on their knees in church
praying just a week and a half ago.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's we are becoming so framatical to it. It is
the fanatics that get caught up in some kind of ideology.
Because I read that the young who did the shooting
yesterday in Colorado had joined some online radical group. This
is another thing that needs to be more. You want
to monitor everything else. You want to monitor porn and
(06:50):
this and that. Monitor how some of these kids are
being received on the internet. Because if you're already looking
for yourself, especially at a young age, and you're impressionable
and and somebody baked you and it sounds great, it's
everything you wanted. They make you feel like somebody and
you're joined. It's like joining a gang or a coat.
(07:11):
They found somebody who's empty on the inside that they
can pour into and then they grab them. It's like
when you go fishing. You throw out the bait and
then you're eventually going to catch something, and they corrupt.
These kids mad to me, I'm telling the Internet is
powerful and scary at the same time.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
People who are loud, and I know a lot of
people aren't going to like this, but I'm sorry, I'm
gonna say it anyway. I think of mega, they are
reaching the unheard masses, the young men that don't feel heard,
they don't feel valued, they don't feel and we will
get to Charlie Kirk in a minute, but he was
masterful with it. He got right down into the colleges,
(07:51):
into that age group and brought over a lot of
young democratic men who didn't feel who didn't feel like
they were being heard. Uh, there is a there's an
art to it, and we do have to start following
that because and we still have to start listening to
our kids. Our neighbors are and just don't like, oh god,
they're strange, Like listen, what do they need? What do
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they have? Can we get them resources? Too many?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I took that person Were you saying I was strange
by it? I took that personally.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
No, not not like I'm like group.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I don't think that you are stranger mentally ill at all.
But no, I think we've got a lot of disgruntled
young men. I mean, you have a son that's at
that ripe age that they're grabbing that that they're grabbing
them at. And it's true there are cults and in
different types of things are called. Sometimes it's religion, sometimes
it's you know, we're seeing it political, sometimes it's extremist groups.
(08:51):
We got to pull it together. We better figure it
out quickly because this is getting crazy. You can't go anywhere.
You can't go to the grocery store, you can't go
to your church, you can't sit in your own home.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, if Bobby, I don't understand. Well. But and I'm
still on the school shooting with the young man because
you know, my daughter just got out of her school.
But now she's in City College. And as much as
I want her to further her education, Bobby, why do
I have to worry about that? This is not which
(09:21):
the times have changed when we were children, That's not
what we're worried about. We worried about a bully, We
worried about, you know, possibly an earthquake, which we never
got in Chicago. But we never worried about, you know,
somebody coming up in the school angry and shooting up
the damn school.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
But school is the same place it used to be.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Damn sure used to be.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, the class or I mean, I know the school.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
As a parent, I don't know if I wanted my
children to experience armed guards in the school. I know
it's a that's a catch twenty two too, because you
want them there for the safety. But then I don't
want somebody who is really inadequate with the gun. They
just got the job, and then they get to shoot,
and they shoot all the instant kids and never hit
the perk. So because a lot of times people are
(10:07):
getting positions of jobs because of who you know, not
because of your steel.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, well you've got to have some in today's day
and age. If you're going to be somebody that's protecting people,
you've got to have nerves of steel and be well trained.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I think that's missing in the world about it. I
think nerves are steal left with Christopher Reese with that
Superman because everything else is AI.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
We've got to figure it out though, and sending in
the National Guard and who are not trained to police people.
It's not the way. There's got to be other ways.
I applaud the little that I want to applaud President
Trump for trying to bring crime down. We discussed that
last week. But you don't do it the way he's
doing it. But that's how he would do it. He's
(10:51):
a disruptor. You have to do it by maybe having
conversations with the mayors and the governors and what do
I need. And we talked about fund the police, you
know in the George Floyd era, Well, let's still talk
about it, but for the true meaning reallocating money, making
sure that the police have back up, and there's there
is psych help that's on social workers or something. We
(11:13):
got to figure it out. We've got to get these
kids help and be able to identify them. And we
need red flag laws to be put into place, because
the one thing I can say is we don't know
about the Colorado shooting, and obviously we don't know about
the Charlie Kirk shooter. But a lot of these people
are getting the guns legally, they have them. Why why
(11:33):
ding ding ding? Weren't the guns taken away or were
they not able to get them?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well speaking, since we can brought out Charlie Kirk's name yesterday,
first of all, I'm gonna be politically correct and I'm
going to say God bless him, Charlie Kirk, because yesterday
he was killed and to me it was a senseless assassination,
because yes he did. He spoke very different rhetoric from
what we speak and I did not agree with much
(12:00):
of nothing he said, to my opinion, not body. He
was a racist, he was a fascist, he was a womanizer.
I did not care for him because he did not
like trans people and always had questioned the validity and
the sanity of black people. So I was definitely not
a fan of his. But he was a father and
(12:20):
he was a husband. I'm going to show respect for that.
But for some of the shit that he would put
out there and say, it came back to buy him
in his ask yesterday, and I don't agree with that.
I don't think that that is how that should have
been handled. They called him a great debater. I'm just
speak about I'm gonna give you opportunity. I never thought
he was good at debating. I thought he was fantastic
at twisting the narrative to make it like he was
(12:43):
on top as opposed to being on the bottom. He
would never ask the answer the question. He would flip
the question back to you to make you restructure the
question because people would lose their step because nobody had
the stamina the toad of toad to break his ass down.
I'll never gonna get that opportunity now because he's gone
to glory and with all the people that's defending him
(13:05):
and all the people that's not defending him. Everybody has
their reasons. Everyone has their reasons for what they are doing.
But I heard some black some black power leaders having
certain things to say about black people who were making
videos about him. Not that they were cheering, but they
just had no empathy. He didn't want empathy. Those were
his also his own words. And when George when George
(13:30):
Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, the cop, he said
that George Floyd died from jogs. He was not murdered.
Although we watched that knee on George Floyd's neck for
eight minutes and forty six seconds. I'm going to say,
in the words of the tinkermandments those who will not
live by the lah you know the rest Okay, Boba,
(13:51):
you can have the floor. No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Politically, I mean, he was really far right wing. There
wasn't any that he said that I agreed with. I'm
with you, I think. Still he's a thirty one year old,
which is a young man. His views could have changed
a million times over by the time he got to
our age. Father of two babies, a fourteen month old
(14:16):
and one that just turned three, a little princess that
just turned three, and they're going to be without their dad.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Now.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
The one thing I'm going to give him credit for
is that he felt that. You know, he was on
approved Me Wrong tour. He went to the colleges to
try to engage the kids, to get them to be
the back and forth. He felt that. I think his
expression was that should be able to be reasonable discussion
without the hatred, without the violence, without the yelling, And
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he thought that people should be able to debate. That
that's what our country is built on with you agree
with each other, you should be respectful. And he was always,
I will say respectful. There is not a thing that
came out of his mouth, including when he was speaking
on the Second Amendment and saying that they're they're, they're Unfortunately,
in order to keep the Second Amendment and keep our
constitutional rights, that some people are going to have to
(15:09):
senselessly die. And that's how the poor slob died. But
you know, I can give him. He wasn't one of
the people, you know, shooting people down. You know, as
far as when they went to speak, I don't think
he agreed with them. I don't think we changed his mind,
but at least he gave he gave it a go,
(15:30):
and he was sitting being peaceful when he was shot.
You know, I'll be interested to see who it is.
Other things have come out. They're blaming the Democrats. I
have a strange feeling, a Spidey sense. It's not it's somebody.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
The fire is going to be one of them. It
is going to be one of them that somebody he says,
something hits somebody off or or conspiracy conspiracy theory. Right here,
we're not talking about the Epstein fires. That's what we're
not talking about. We're not talking about the Epstein files. Yeah, no,
(16:04):
I yeah, it's a level, at the level of distractions
that they don't want those Epstein files out. I think
everybody is collateral damage. I think everybody is collateral damage.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I don't know what the big you know, I can't
stand talking about them. I don't know what the big
deal is with those, but it is the truth when
we have these distractions. The one thing that I'm disappointed
is that President Trump. Usually your president comes in and
they're a unifier. Bill Clinton went to Oklahoma, you know,
when that was bombed Bush Bush did his piece when
we had violence there. Obama went to the school shootings,
(16:41):
you know, and went and went on board and spoke
and tried to bring the rhetoric down and try to
cool everything off. And unfortunately President Trump is blaming the Democrats.
Musk must be kissing the booty because he's saying that
the Democrats are murderers. We don't even know who's who
who's shot him yet, so I don't know why you're blaming.
(17:03):
But Trump is ramping it up, not cooling it down.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yesterday they were so and she treated you just say,
they had somebody grab an innocent man who had nothing
to do with it. They had to let him go,
dragging the pole man with his pants hanging down his
damn legs. I'm like, oh my god, that's not you.
That's clearly not him. The man looked rickety like an
old chair at your grandmama house. And so the suspect
they get out. Now, I just saw the news be
(17:28):
prior to us coming on. So according to ABC News,
they thinking that the suspect is transgender. When I tell you,
Bobby that that is not something that I want to
see them go on, because I already know what kind
of hate that's going to dispew in this country.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Doesn't even make any sense, not the pictures they're showing.
They're showing his pictures. That's a dude. He's got the
dude belly, no boobs.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Well, they had a side by side of a guy
who's supposed he was him with long hair and maybe
it was up at a pointer or he cut it.
But to me, it doesn't even look like the same cases.
But you know, listen, whatever they have to do because
he wants to sign this bill that transgender people could
not have weapons, so that trans people will be sitting
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ducks like you. Already the violence is being spewed from
the top against you, and now anybody could and you
can't even protect yourself because it's gonna be illegal. Girl.
This is very, very scary, Bobby, and I said in
twenty nineteen they were trying to erase the trans community.
This is all They just adding more and more. It's
(18:39):
like a compound build up, Bobby, and it's getting scary
and scary. I told you, since I've been house hunting
and my personality usually I can sell water to the
ocean and fire the hill. Yeah, but they are looking
at me with a very different set of eyes, and
not because I'm black. I don't even feel that they're
looking at me because I'm trained. I will say.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
The other thing is this Charlie Kirk. He is really
one of the reasons that that Trump won. I mean,
he brought over those Democratic votes for the young guys.
So you know, we touched on that a little bit earlier,
but he really it was a turning point for the pack.
And so maybe maybe the Dems can can get a young,
(19:23):
a young Democratic guy to go out and kind of
do the same follow or a similar formula, because we
certainly need to get those ninety million off their seats
and we have to win some of them back.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, Bobbie, I don't I don't know. I know Charlie
Kirk was not a politician. I know the influence he
him on the youth, he had on the youth. But
they are treating him with all these medals and all that.
They treating him like he was some big medal of freedom.
He was. He was a divider and an instigator, and
he spread misinformation constantly. But because he was a Trump support,
(19:58):
like who else, he's being revealed as like being Shapiro,
like Canda's owners Hey, like so many others. But he's
been revered as this martyr because of the way he
was murdered. I don't know if I agree with that,
but I think that and now people are really starting
to bring up a lot of his old clips of
all the mechanics of his mind and the things that
(20:21):
he said publicly on so many different platforms that were
so disparaging. So it's hard to feel any kind of
any kind of you know, hurt or pain for him
for those reasons. Because the Internet is undefeated, and as
much as we like, like I say it's good and bad,
people will remember some shit and put it on the internet.
So everything is coming back to bite them in the ass.
(20:42):
This is not the way we do it, though. People
murdering people for publicly speaking, and man, that is what
free speech is about in this country. But unfortunately they
have they have made it so extreme and so people
have went fanatical. There y'all acting like fanatics and murdering
some ain't gonna stop it. If anything that is going
(21:02):
to we already in a melting pot and we're bubbling.
We know what they call those, a pressure cooker, and
we're about to pop. I believe that. I believe this
country is about to pop, and it's just too much
hate and the vision. I want to say, hats off
to my city of Chicago. Because they sent the National
Guard over there. And thank you Governor Pritsker and to
(21:23):
the Mayor of Chicago right now because maybe y'all put
that together. They put all those saw trucks up to
block them from coming in. Shout out. I knew she.
I told you Chicago built different, Bobby. We're not down
for the bullshit. We're not. We're just not. We're not
built like that.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Uh yay, did you see the one thing I want
to finish up on the other and the last move?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Did you see?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Matthew Donald was was fired from MSNBC for speaking on
some of those those repeating some of the comments that
Charlie Kirk said, So you gonna everybody bet you got
to be careful with what you're saying too. But has
been out there.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I found that to be barbaric that they fired him
because when Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, they laughed, they
scoffed at him. You know, when when Joe Biden fell
down the stairs or fell off the back, whatever it was,
it was a joke. So they are so thin skins
that they can give it out, but they can't take you.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
When Joe fell off the fight.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I Damn Joe laughed. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
You got use that as an example.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Which is why I can say if I laugh, hell,
if I laugh, if I laughed at my president and
he took that. But now y'all don't want to point
the fingers back at y'all. Y'all have done the most
barbaric shit. But then that man lost his job. See, Bobby,
there will be no truth spoken in this country. They
are trying to have everybody who will speaking guy on
(22:58):
this truth. You won't have a speaking yeah, because they
gonn take away from him.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Well that's that's what I was saying. So you know,
just for people who to be I think I first,
I do think it's a little too soon to point
out what was said. I mean, let's get the guy
in the ground and then we can do the post
warn them. But Matthew Dowd, you don't get to be
a more seasoned reporter. I mean he is, he is
the bee's knees. So I hate to see some of
(23:24):
these people losing their job just because they're speaking truth
to power.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, And what that it will do is create fear
among other broadcasters in generalists and happening right because they'll
feel like I can't do it because I'll lose my
job because if he can get the Cobert and now
to this guy, you damn shall know he can get
to you. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
It's the lu We're not gonna.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
We won't know the truth. And unless you come to
laugh alone, because we damn shall we need the truth
that we know. But it's the luck of the John
and the fear of a mare. This is the land
of the free, home of the brave, This is land
of the prisoners, home of the cowards, because everybody use.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
The first well, the free press is the most important
thing that we can have. And as citizens, I want
them to tell me what's going on. It's up to
me to interpret. Just as we say on this podcast
all the time. Please vet what we say it is
we have, We have vetted it through multiple sources. You know,
we give four sources for every story that we talk about.
(24:29):
But if you don't agree, you don't believe in it,
then go go and do your own due diligence. That's
our responsibility as Americans. Don't please just believe what people
tell you. So but I want them, I want Matthew
Dowd who's going to be honest about things to tell me.
I want him on the front line, and then it's
up to me to go and confirm what he's saying. Yeah,
(24:51):
but yeah, yeah, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Did you see Did you see? Oh? No, I said. Unfortunately,
this is this is ship is going to get heavier
and heavier because they keep affording this administration all the
power that they want. If you keep giving the person power,
it's never going to be an Exactly, it's never going
to be enough. It is never going to be enough.
(25:15):
There is no cap, there is no ceiling. But we're
going to find that out our way.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Unfortunately, well we are, and that's the problem. We have
discussed this many times, right from the beginning before this
president took office. I have never been surprised. He's told
us what he's going to do, who is going to
do it, how he's going to do it, All the
destruction he ran on being a disruptor, we know that.
(25:43):
So I'm not surprised by that. But what I'm surprised
by is that our checks and balances that we put
into place, i e. The Supreme Court, Congress, they're not
holding him accountable. That's the job when the Supreme Court says,
bring a citizen back from ol Salvador in six weeks
went by, I think he was there in additional eight weeks.
(26:05):
Who was holding him accountable. That's like an immediate order,
not when you get around to it. And that's what
I'm shocked and disappointed by. And until we and maybe
he was put in our past Trump on purpose to
shore up our checks and balances. You know, he's kind
of trying to break the walls down, and it's up
to us as citizens to say no and make sure
(26:26):
you vote correctly in the midterms and the next time around.
I don't know. Sometimes you have to break everything down
in order to build it back up. That's the only
thing I can. But he certainly trying my nerves.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
That was very white of you. To my damn sure,
I'm getting none there was. He wasn't put in our
path to teach us shit. He was putting on our
path because we acted like cowards and everybody acting like children,
are selfish and wanted all greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy,
and this greedy, greedy, greedy gonna cost us our fucking America.
(26:57):
It really will. It's gonna be they think they're making
America better. Child, y'all listen for them. America is on
the decline. Yeah for the well, and none of us
are that. And by the way, I'm telling you what's
really these terrors really about to go up because yesterday
right here in Long Beach, seventy five plus shipping containers
(27:21):
go off the boat. Did you see that? And nobody
knows how happened. I'm like, no accidents happened, but that
is going to rate and a lot of those things
were going to the costcos the target they were talking
about here, you know, the local moms and pop shops,
which is going to raise prices. It is going to
get barbarics. So I'm encouraging everybody hold hold on to
(27:44):
your pennies, hold on to your pennies. No scourging, no flourishing,
keep it tight, and keep everything you need in the
house because I just feel like we're on the verge
of something scary in America. And I hate to say that.
But meanwhile, like you s said, Bob Trump just told you,
oh what he was gonna do. Not two weeks ago
he was speaking on one of his press conferences and
(28:06):
he said, oh, so you mean to tell me if
we're in a war in three and a half years,
there'll be no election. I say, he just told y'all,
and we're going to be in a war. And he
got all these damn missiles pointed at Venezuela right now.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Although they say he is a terrified a war, that's
why he's that's why he's trying.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
To well, he has bone. He has bone, he has uh,
he has selected Bonesburgs. Of course he is.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I'll tell you he's going to have to do something
with Putin. Putin is now, as you know, is shooting
at Poland for Poland. So not only is he trying
to take Ukraine, but he's trying to take Poland. And
he did have something out on true social that that
you know that Vladimir better be better, be careful. But
I think I think Vladimir's Putin's just playing trump m
(29:00):
But you know, here we go, something's going to happen.
I think he's he's going because now NATO is going
to have to get involved. I think that I think
they're going to force his hands maybe and maybe that's
what he needs. But Putin is losing it. He's absolutely losing.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
He's the show guy. He probably has the deadness.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Oh yeah he is, because Zelensky is tiny and they're
sort of on like the same level. But he there
is like a deadness in his eye, his eyes, but
that's from being the KGB, right, So something's going to
have to happen there. And then of course I watched
it was George Stefanopolis was actually on George Deffanopolis on
(29:50):
this week. I thought this was terrific. They had Prits Pritzker.
I always say Prius he is is it Ryansprius? He
is on the panel for George Stephanopolis, very often huge trumper.
And they also had Chris Christie on and I thought
(30:14):
they were going to go to blows over the economy.
You know, the one guy is trying to get it's
fabulous and Christy's like, you got your happy ass, But
he was he is, He's like, you're talking about the economy.
He goes the job numbers were terrible, he said in
the tariffs are driving the prices up. You know, inflation.
It's not much, but it did go up by like
(30:36):
point two last month from month to month. They were
going to say, oh, or all of a sudden, the
money was going to be good. No, the money is changing,
and it's only the beginning of what the change is.
And that's what Chris Christy was saying. But Chris Christie
was talking right over him. He's like, you are nuts.
I thought it was terrific. I said, oh my god,
this is like two broads going at it like in
(30:58):
a month pit.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I love it. Well, Chris Christy could identify as a brog.
He got a center, he got a old rack on him.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
This time he looked good.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I'm glad that he found himself. His politics is his passion.
But for a minute, I think he got satisfied by
the hype and by the shininess of it all, because
he did follow un under the ring. But he came
back and remember that being American was more important than
being a butt kisser. So I appreciate him for that.
You know, Bobby, Well, today is go ahead. Today, Today
(31:41):
is a we we have to put more rememorance. On
nine eleven, two thousand and one, I remember exactly where
I lived. I lived at fifty eight twenty one Midway
Park in Chicago, where my children were conceived, my nasty behind,
and I woke up and because I was working late
nights at doing shows at midnight, so I wouldn't go
(32:03):
to be at at seven o'clock in the morning, so
I usual wouldn't get up to about two thirty or
three of the afternoon. And I remember we didn't have
cell phones, but I remember I had a bunch of
messages on my damn phone, and I'm like, Who've been
calling me this many times? And I turned the TV on,
and you know, I had to kept show the plane
going into one of the buildings, into one of town,
and it just didn't look real. This was long before AI,
this was two thousand and one, so I'm like, what
(32:25):
movie is this?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And it just looked like the plane melted into the building.
And then when I saw the other one and I
seen it all over everywhere, I thought we were about
to go into the war. I thought the world was
being America was being attacked. It was.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
It was I didn't I was at home. I actually
was in bed. My girlfriend had like a ten month
old at the time. She came over. She had just
shew a bowling or something, and she came by to
go so we could go out for tea, And she
said she told me what had happened. I didn't believe.
And I also didn't understand talk about a dimwit. I
didn't get the significance of it, Like I didn't. She's
(33:06):
telling me, and I'm like, what is that? I don't
get it. And so she said, we'll put it on
the TV. They're gonna they'll they'll probably show us. And
so I did put it on and we were and
they were explaining, and then we watched the second plane
hit the tower and it was like the most shocking
thing that I could ever say. And strangely to my
(33:30):
one of my high school teachers, he was actually a
football coach, and he was a gym teacher, mister Tantini.
He and his wife were on their way to go
to California to see their newborn grandchild and they were
in they hit, They were hit the first tower and
were killed. And so it kind of hit home a
little bit. And to think of him, he was the
(33:51):
sweetest guy, the most non violent, and to yeah, to
have such a joyous occasion, I thought of how sad
that must have been for his kids waiting with anticipation,
all excited because Gramy and Grampy are coming and know
they weren't.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I've been through. I've been based Ground zero in New
York and and uh to everybody that was a facing
out because so many people's firefighters, so many EMTs. Oh yeah,
I visited when I was there, so many EMTs. We stayed,
we stayed in the financial district, so we were right close,
and so many EMTs. You know, so many people, police officers, nurses,
everybody who are still affected to this day because of
(34:30):
all of the stuff they got in their lungs. You know.
So even though that happened in two thousand and one,
this is twenty four years ago, it is still has
a linguorine effect. And if you if you lived there
and you experienced it, I'm sure that every time it
comes you remember exactly the moment that it hits you.
Because I remember a police they had on video. Police
(34:52):
turned the corner, boy me and when he turned the corner,
all of the everything was just coming at him. It
just went. You couldn't even see him knowing. It was
like a sandstorm.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
It was crazy, You're right, and when you lived it,
So for people who lived through it, it was twenty
four to seven, I mean we really for weeks it
was twenty four to seven, and as we discussed on
last week's show, Rudy Giuliani could have had such a
legacy had he let that be the end, because he
(35:22):
did do it good. He was He was very good
at unifying everybody and bringing everybody together, not the Rudy
Giuliani that we see together now as Trump's right hand man.
And it was Ryan's previous. I can never say his
name quickly. He was the chief of staff for like
seven months before I think he got canned. That was
(35:44):
on that this week with George Cheffanoppolis. But yeah, but
Rudy Giuliani, he's like a hot mess. We don't even
We forget about that and all you think about is
how we know him now? But that was a lot.
The bombing in Boston on at the Boston Marathon was
(36:04):
another event that sort of brings me. Mark Wahlberg had
a movie. I went to see the movie just support
a Boston boy. I couldn't watch the movie. I had
to get up. It's like something that gives me my
heart starts pounding if you kind of live through those times.
And I feel the same way whenever they show the
footage of nine to eleven. You know, I kind of
(36:25):
get like, oh, I get a little SHITZI and my
heart starts going a little bit. That was a lot.
So I can't even imagine being there in New York
City during that time, what that must have been like.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And you know, when I think about as a trans person,
what we're living through now, could you imagine if the
world hate trans the way they do now in two
thousand and one and a trans girl gag or a
trans gat got caught up in that and needed to
go to the hospital and was turned away just because
of how they identified. I'm telling you, Bobby, But that's
(37:00):
so we went backwards. We didn't move forward. We went
forward to go backwards. Oh I.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Agree? Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Egen Carrol?
Speaker 4 (37:16):
The verdict.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Is that E. G.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
King e Jen Carol verdict holds he is still owed.
She is still owned eighty three million. I don't think
she is ever going to see it. I don't want
to be mean. Do you see him paying her eighty
three million dollars? I don't see it unless he keeps
suing like NBCCBS, ABC and they just keep handing the money.
Maybe he'll come up with the cash. But I was
(37:43):
a little shocked by that.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Even if he has the money, he's too arrogant. I mean,
he's not going to pay that. That would be a
sign of defeat for him. And he must win at
all costs. Excuse me, he must win at all costs.
I don't think no.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
And he's got it. It's not that he doesn't have it.
He has made He and his family have been in
a lot of politicians, not just him. And it's legal,
So we're not saying it's not legal. It shouldn't be.
Somebody should fix it. They have made bazillions. I don't
even know if there's a word for the dollars that
they've made between selling things and pushing things and investments
(38:28):
that you know that they had heads up on all
legal stuff. Our beloved Nancy Pelosi did it or her
husband did it too, So I don't think it should be.
But he's got the cash, but he's just not gonna.
He's not gonna because he's in. He'll probably have that
go to the Supreme although it's a civil case, so
I don't think that would that. It's a steak case,
so that's they're not going to be able to bring
that one. But he would send it right up the
(38:49):
pike if he could, and try to have it wiped out.
I mean, look at what what Skotis did just this
week alone. Now you can base profile as far as
I'm concerned. If you're Latino and working out it is
a poor job where you could be an alien. Yeah,
(39:12):
they question you and whatever else.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
It's disheartening now to think that it is y'all voted
for this. I believe that my conspiracy is when they
do catch this young man that that murdered Charlie, could
that assassinated Charlie Kirk, that I hope they don't put
a false I hope they do not put a false
narrative on this person, because that's all they're going to do,
(39:43):
especially and they control the media. It's what they put out.
It might not be the truth, but it would be
what they put out because if you hear it three
or four times, that's what you're going to believe that.
And they know that's how we are as Americans. We're
so shallowed. Nobody wants to take the time to research
and read. But if you hear it three or four times,
we're going to believe them. Controlling the media, them controlling
(40:04):
the outlets of what you hear will determine how you feel.
Don't let the way in by bad. Do your research,
find out the real truth, because the real truth might
shock you. But it ain't gonna be the bullshit they're
about to sell us, Because they're about to sell us
some bullshit. I believe that.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Yeah, No, I always say you've got to vet stuff.
Don't just believe that, you know with somebody, No, it's
not right.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
We want to say we bet we're so happy I
produce that mister Aaron is back. Welcome back, Aaron. We
missed you, or we did like that the Wayne. Let
me be very clear, we did like that the Wayne day.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
That's because he at the end of the day we
jumped on it, told us we were swell.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
That's why, well so he last week. We appreciate you.
We didn't even cover all the topics that we're going
to come tonight. I'm telling you because this Charlie Kirk
thing has the country on edge, and I know everybody
has different feelings about it, myself included. But I'm telling
you right now, y'all, violence ain't the way. It's just
going to cause civil unrest in our country. That is
(41:05):
already unresting. We are already unrested. It's going to cause
a terrible civil unrest. And while we're fighting each other,
we are open to targets that want to fight us
as Americans, not as black, white, right, red or yellow.
They want to fight us as Americans. Please pay attention
to this. That's my piece. You know, I don't know.
(41:27):
I don't know much, but I do know that I
don't like the way it's looking. I don't the writings
are on the wall, and I wish I had an eraser.
I could erase it as easy as you erase a talkboard,
but unfortunately we cannot.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Yeah, no, pay attention. So pay attention to where you're at,
where you're moving. I want to say thank you everybody.
You have to say the thing because I can never
do it. I never do it right. I only know
my line.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Well, you have to tell them what. They can follow
you at Bobby Clifford Oh my.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
God, Oh my god. So well you can follow me.
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Speaker 1 (42:31):
We are only trying to get you to use your mind,
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Speaker 4 (42:39):
Have said it. Your mind and your vote are a
terrible thing to waste.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
We might be a little too late for the votes,
but I tell you what, right now, America, if we
want to say whatever Land of the Free that we
love to holler, land a free home on the brave,
We're gonna have to flip this. Now. I don't know
what that. I don't know what that entails, a real
cognitive whatever we need to do. But I'm telling y'all,
(43:07):
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Speaker 1 (01:55):
Hey, Hey, this is comedian Same Monroe and welcome to
this week's episode of Laugh and Learn. Let me tell
y'all something. This is juicy, juicy, juicy, juicy week. Up
and down like a roller coaster, kind of like my shake.
Speaking of shakes, Hi, this is my beautiful co host,
Bobby Clifford.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Mine's not up and down, It's just round and round.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Decide.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
How have you been this week? You were busy this week?
Where were you?
Speaker 1 (02:24):
I was in Arizona. I had a great time, Reno,
you were fantastic. No, no, no, I said, Reno in Arizona. Okay, y'all,
y'all hear it. No, I was in Arizona. For Friday,
we were in Phoenix. Phoenix was good. But Saturday we
were in Tucson, and Tucson was amazing. Thank you Tucson
for coming out all that energy. We had the best time.
(02:44):
But I'm home now. I'm still trying to move. We're
still hoping that we don't know what we're gonna do.
We ain't gonna even talk about that. But this week,
this week, Bobby, this week in America. Yeah, First of all,
I'm gonna start off and say condoless to everyone who
has lost their lives in a school shooting. And we
just had a school shooting yesterday in Colorado. It was
(03:06):
overshadowed by another depth that we will get to. But
we did have a school shooting for some I think
it was middle school and I think four injured or
do you know the reason the statistics I think it was.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I think it was a student chart two of his
peers Wednesday before fatally shooting himself at ever Green High
School near Denver. One student and medical condition and one
has non life threatening injuries. And not to take away
from that, we can get back to that one second.
But I just heard it. It just popped on my
(03:40):
phone a few minutes ago that the US Naval Academy
in Annapolis is on lockdown.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
Right now, let me tell you something, Bobby, Okay, let
me tell my real age. I don't know if the
Internet has cursed the youth. And as much as it
has opened up the world to all of us to
bring to us and to take us out to them,
I think it has persuaded people because these it's the
(04:06):
youth that seems so angry and so how so sixteen Bobby,
And I know that's not even the youngest shooter, but
I'm like, and then he took his own life, and
so you know, Yeah, our hearts go out to the
family till everybody involved, to the students that have survived,
to actually have to live through that, to see that.
We are a certain age, I don't want to see that.
(04:27):
You know. We saw a horrific shooting yesterday and we
saw the video and Bobby and I gaged. We didn't
agree on the whole situation, but when we saw the
actual physical of it, we gagged, like, oh my god,
death is death. I don't care what color you were,
what color you are, but I don't like that they
overshadowed this other man's death with the school shooting when
(04:48):
that is important. They lord the flags when we gonna
get to him, they lord the flags for him. But
what about these school shootings that are constantly happening here
in America? Where can we s? And I'm telling you, Bobby,
it's like, oh my god, another one. We don't even
hold it close to our heart, you know, you just
(05:08):
keep it moving, like like you said, were these instantive?
But to this point, this is extreme.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It is I think it's domestic terrorism in a way.
You know, I'm thinking of today as we're taping this.
It's nine to eleven, it's the twenty fourth anniversary of
nine to eleven where we lost over three thousand people.
It brought us to our knees, but it brought us together.
It unified us a really tricky time and I just
(05:36):
don't see that happening. I don't see the outrage. It's
almost it's like you forget You and I were were
talking offline and I said, my God, just think of
the shootings that have happened over the past month and
a half. We had that couple coming out of the
Jewish Assembly. There was some Jewish Assembly meeting and the
(06:01):
shooters that they were both Jewish. They weren't. We had
two political couples in Minnesota in their own homes on
one group was assassinated, including the dog, and then the
others were injured. You know that they will recover, and
these are just they feel like a lifetime ago and
they're not that long ago, and we're just building. We
(06:23):
had the kids getting shot on their knees in church
praying just a week and a half ago.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
It's we are becoming so framatical to it. It is
the fanatics that get caught up in some kind of ideology.
Because I read that the young who did the shooting
yesterday in Colorado had joined some online radical group. This
is another thing that needs to be more. You want
to monitor everything else. You want to monitor porn and
(06:50):
this and that. Monitor how some of these kids are
being received on the internet. Because if you're already looking
for yourself, especially at a young age, and you're impressionable
and and somebody baked you and it sounds great, it's
everything you wanted. They make you feel like somebody and
you're joined. It's like joining a gang or a coat.
(07:11):
They found somebody who's empty on the inside that they
can pour into and then they grab them. It's like
when you go fishing. You throw out the bait and
then you're eventually going to catch something, and they corrupt.
These kids mad to me, I'm telling the Internet is
powerful and scary at the same time.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
People who are loud, and I know a lot of
people aren't going to like this, but I'm sorry, I'm
gonna say it anyway. I think of mega, they are
reaching the unheard masses, the young men that don't feel heard,
they don't feel valued, they don't feel and we will
get to Charlie Kirk in a minute, but he was
masterful with it. He got right down into the colleges,
(07:51):
into that age group and brought over a lot of
young democratic men who didn't feel who didn't feel like
they were being heard. Uh, there is a there's an
art to it, and we do have to start following
that because and we still have to start listening to
our kids. Our neighbors are and just don't like, oh god,
they're strange, Like listen, what do they need? What do
(08:14):
they have? Can we get them resources? Too many?
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I took that person Were you saying I was strange
by it? I took that personally.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
No, not not like I'm like group.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
I don't think that you are stranger mentally ill at all.
But no, I think we've got a lot of disgruntled
young men. I mean, you have a son that's at
that ripe age that they're grabbing that that they're grabbing
them at. And it's true there are cults and in
different types of things are called. Sometimes it's religion, sometimes
it's you know, we're seeing it political, sometimes it's extremist groups.
(08:51):
We got to pull it together. We better figure it
out quickly because this is getting crazy. You can't go anywhere.
You can't go to the grocery store, you can't go
to your church, you can't sit in your own home.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, if Bobby, I don't understand. Well. But and I'm
still on the school shooting with the young man because
you know, my daughter just got out of her school.
But now she's in City College. And as much as
I want her to further her education, Bobby, why do
I have to worry about that? This is not which
(09:21):
the times have changed when we were children, That's not
what we're worried about. We worried about a bully, We
worried about, you know, possibly an earthquake, which we never
got in Chicago. But we never worried about, you know,
somebody coming up in the school angry and shooting up
the damn school.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
But school is the same place it used to be.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Damn sure used to be.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
Yeah, the class or I mean, I know the school.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
As a parent, I don't know if I wanted my
children to experience armed guards in the school. I know
it's a that's a catch twenty two too, because you
want them there for the safety. But then I don't
want somebody who is really inadequate with the gun. They
just got the job, and then they get to shoot,
and they shoot all the instant kids and never hit
the perk. So because a lot of times people are
(10:07):
getting positions of jobs because of who you know, not
because of your steel.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
Yeah, well you've got to have some in today's day
and age. If you're going to be somebody that's protecting people,
you've got to have nerves of steel and be well trained.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
I think that's missing in the world about it. I
think nerves are steal left with Christopher Reese with that
Superman because everything else is AI.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
We've got to figure it out though, and sending in
the National Guard and who are not trained to police people.
It's not the way. There's got to be other ways.
I applaud the little that I want to applaud President
Trump for trying to bring crime down. We discussed that
last week. But you don't do it the way he's
doing it. But that's how he would do it. He's
(10:51):
a disruptor. You have to do it by maybe having
conversations with the mayors and the governors and what do
I need. And we talked about fund the police, you
know in the George Floyd era, Well, let's still talk
about it, but for the true meaning reallocating money, making
sure that the police have back up, and there's there
is psych help that's on social workers or something. We
(11:13):
got to figure it out. We've got to get these
kids help and be able to identify them. And we
need red flag laws to be put into place, because
the one thing I can say is we don't know
about the Colorado shooting, and obviously we don't know about
the Charlie Kirk shooter. But a lot of these people
are getting the guns legally, they have them. Why why
(11:33):
ding ding ding? Weren't the guns taken away or were
they not able to get them?
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Well speaking, since we can brought out Charlie Kirk's name yesterday,
first of all, I'm gonna be politically correct and I'm
going to say God bless him, Charlie Kirk, because yesterday
he was killed and to me it was a senseless assassination,
because yes he did. He spoke very different rhetoric from
what we speak and I did not agree with much
(12:00):
of nothing he said, to my opinion, not body. He
was a racist, he was a fascist, he was a womanizer.
I did not care for him because he did not
like trans people and always had questioned the validity and
the sanity of black people. So I was definitely not
a fan of his. But he was a father and
(12:20):
he was a husband. I'm going to show respect for that.
But for some of the shit that he would put
out there and say, it came back to buy him
in his ask yesterday, and I don't agree with that.
I don't think that that is how that should have
been handled. They called him a great debater. I'm just
speak about I'm gonna give you opportunity. I never thought
he was good at debating. I thought he was fantastic
at twisting the narrative to make it like he was
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on top as opposed to being on the bottom. He
would never ask the answer the question. He would flip
the question back to you to make you restructure the
question because people would lose their step because nobody had
the stamina the toad of toad to break his ass down.
I'll never gonna get that opportunity now because he's gone
to glory and with all the people that's defending him
(13:05):
and all the people that's not defending him. Everybody has
their reasons. Everyone has their reasons for what they are doing.
But I heard some black some black power leaders having
certain things to say about black people who were making
videos about him. Not that they were cheering, but they
just had no empathy. He didn't want empathy. Those were
his also his own words. And when George when George
(13:30):
Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, the cop, he said
that George Floyd died from jogs. He was not murdered.
Although we watched that knee on George Floyd's neck for
eight minutes and forty six seconds. I'm going to say,
in the words of the tinkermandments those who will not
live by the lah you know the rest Okay, Boba,
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you can have the floor. No, I don't.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
Politically, I mean, he was really far right wing. There
wasn't any that he said that I agreed with. I'm
with you, I think. Still he's a thirty one year old,
which is a young man. His views could have changed
a million times over by the time he got to
our age. Father of two babies, a fourteen month old
(14:16):
and one that just turned three, a little princess that
just turned three, and they're going to be without their dad.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Now.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
The one thing I'm going to give him credit for
is that he felt that. You know, he was on
approved Me Wrong tour. He went to the colleges to
try to engage the kids, to get them to be
the back and forth. He felt that. I think his
expression was that should be able to be reasonable discussion
without the hatred, without the violence, without the yelling, And
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he thought that people should be able to debate. That
that's what our country is built on with you agree
with each other, you should be respectful. And he was always,
I will say respectful. There is not a thing that
came out of his mouth, including when he was speaking
on the Second Amendment and saying that they're they're, they're Unfortunately,
in order to keep the Second Amendment and keep our
constitutional rights, that some people are going to have to
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senselessly die. And that's how the poor slob died. But
you know, I can give him. He wasn't one of
the people, you know, shooting people down. You know, as
far as when they went to speak, I don't think
he agreed with them. I don't think we changed his mind,
but at least he gave he gave it a go,
(15:30):
and he was sitting being peaceful when he was shot.
You know, I'll be interested to see who it is.
Other things have come out. They're blaming the Democrats. I
have a strange feeling, a Spidey sense. It's not it's somebody.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
The fire is going to be one of them. It
is going to be one of them that somebody he says,
something hits somebody off or or conspiracy conspiracy theory. Right here,
we're not talking about the Epstein fires. That's what we're
not talking about. We're not talking about the Epstein files. Yeah, no,
(16:04):
I yeah, it's a level, at the level of distractions
that they don't want those Epstein files out. I think
everybody is collateral damage. I think everybody is collateral damage.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
I don't know what the big you know, I can't
stand talking about them. I don't know what the big
deal is with those, but it is the truth when
we have these distractions. The one thing that I'm disappointed
is that President Trump. Usually your president comes in and
they're a unifier. Bill Clinton went to Oklahoma, you know,
when that was bombed Bush Bush did his piece when
we had violence there. Obama went to the school shootings,
(16:41):
you know, and went and went on board and spoke
and tried to bring the rhetoric down and try to
cool everything off. And unfortunately President Trump is blaming the Democrats.
Musk must be kissing the booty because he's saying that
the Democrats are murderers. We don't even know who's who
who's shot him yet, so I don't know why you're blaming.
(17:03):
But Trump is ramping it up, not cooling it down.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yesterday they were so and she treated you just say,
they had somebody grab an innocent man who had nothing
to do with it. They had to let him go,
dragging the pole man with his pants hanging down his
damn legs. I'm like, oh my god, that's not you.
That's clearly not him. The man looked rickety like an
old chair at your grandmama house. And so the suspect
they get out. Now, I just saw the news be
(17:28):
prior to us coming on. So according to ABC News,
they thinking that the suspect is transgender. When I tell you,
Bobby that that is not something that I want to
see them go on, because I already know what kind
of hate that's going to dispew in this country.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Doesn't even make any sense, not the pictures they're showing.
They're showing his pictures. That's a dude. He's got the
dude belly, no boobs.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Well, they had a side by side of a guy
who's supposed he was him with long hair and maybe
it was up at a pointer or he cut it.
But to me, it doesn't even look like the same cases.
But you know, listen, whatever they have to do because
he wants to sign this bill that transgender people could
not have weapons, so that trans people will be sitting
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ducks like you. Already the violence is being spewed from
the top against you, and now anybody could and you
can't even protect yourself because it's gonna be illegal. Girl.
This is very, very scary, Bobby, and I said in
twenty nineteen they were trying to erase the trans community.
This is all They just adding more and more. It's
(18:39):
like a compound build up, Bobby, and it's getting scary
and scary. I told you, since I've been house hunting
and my personality usually I can sell water to the
ocean and fire the hill. Yeah, but they are looking
at me with a very different set of eyes, and
not because I'm black. I don't even feel that they're
looking at me because I'm trained. I will say.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
The other thing is this Charlie Kirk. He is really
one of the reasons that that Trump won. I mean,
he brought over those Democratic votes for the young guys.
So you know, we touched on that a little bit earlier,
but he really it was a turning point for the pack.
And so maybe maybe the Dems can can get a young,
(19:23):
a young Democratic guy to go out and kind of
do the same follow or a similar formula, because we
certainly need to get those ninety million off their seats
and we have to win some of them back.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah, Bobbie, I don't I don't know. I know Charlie
Kirk was not a politician. I know the influence he
him on the youth, he had on the youth. But
they are treating him with all these medals and all that.
They treating him like he was some big medal of freedom.
He was. He was a divider and an instigator, and
he spread misinformation constantly. But because he was a Trump support,
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like who else, he's being revealed as like being Shapiro,
like Canda's owners Hey, like so many others. But he's
been revered as this martyr because of the way he
was murdered. I don't know if I agree with that,
but I think that and now people are really starting
to bring up a lot of his old clips of
all the mechanics of his mind and the things that
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he said publicly on so many different platforms that were
so disparaging. So it's hard to feel any kind of
any kind of you know, hurt or pain for him
for those reasons. Because the Internet is undefeated, and as
much as we like, like I say it's good and bad,
people will remember some shit and put it on the internet.
So everything is coming back to bite them in the ass.
(20:42):
This is not the way we do it, though. People
murdering people for publicly speaking, and man, that is what
free speech is about in this country. But unfortunately they
have they have made it so extreme and so people
have went fanatical. There y'all acting like fanatics and murdering
some ain't gonna stop it. If anything that is going
(21:02):
to we already in a melting pot and we're bubbling.
We know what they call those, a pressure cooker, and
we're about to pop. I believe that. I believe this
country is about to pop, and it's just too much
hate and the vision. I want to say, hats off
to my city of Chicago. Because they sent the National
Guard over there. And thank you Governor Pritsker and to
(21:23):
the Mayor of Chicago right now because maybe y'all put
that together. They put all those saw trucks up to
block them from coming in. Shout out. I knew she.
I told you Chicago built different, Bobby. We're not down
for the bullshit. We're not. We're just not. We're not
built like that.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Uh yay, did you see the one thing I want
to finish up on the other and the last move?
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Did you see?
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Matthew Donald was was fired from MSNBC for speaking on
some of those those repeating some of the comments that
Charlie Kirk said, So you gonna everybody bet you got
to be careful with what you're saying too. But has
been out there.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I found that to be barbaric that they fired him
because when Nancy Pelosi's husband was attacked, they laughed, they
scoffed at him. You know, when when Joe Biden fell
down the stairs or fell off the back, whatever it was,
it was a joke. So they are so thin skins
that they can give it out, but they can't take you.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
When Joe fell off the fight.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
I Damn Joe laughed. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
You got use that as an example.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Which is why I can say if I laugh, hell,
if I laugh, if I laughed at my president and
he took that. But now y'all don't want to point
the fingers back at y'all. Y'all have done the most
barbaric shit. But then that man lost his job. See, Bobby,
there will be no truth spoken in this country. They
are trying to have everybody who will speaking guy on
(22:58):
this truth. You won't have a speaking yeah, because they
gonn take away from him.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Well that's that's what I was saying. So you know,
just for people who to be I think I first,
I do think it's a little too soon to point
out what was said. I mean, let's get the guy
in the ground and then we can do the post
warn them. But Matthew Dowd, you don't get to be
a more seasoned reporter. I mean he is, he is
the bee's knees. So I hate to see some of
(23:24):
these people losing their job just because they're speaking truth
to power.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, And what that it will do is create fear
among other broadcasters in generalists and happening right because they'll
feel like I can't do it because I'll lose my
job because if he can get the Cobert and now
to this guy, you damn shall know he can get
to you. So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
It's the lu We're not gonna.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
We won't know the truth. And unless you come to
laugh alone, because we damn shall we need the truth
that we know. But it's the luck of the John
and the fear of a mare. This is the land
of the free, home of the brave, This is land
of the prisoners, home of the cowards, because everybody use.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
The first well, the free press is the most important
thing that we can have. And as citizens, I want
them to tell me what's going on. It's up to
me to interpret. Just as we say on this podcast
all the time. Please vet what we say it is
we have, We have vetted it through multiple sources. You know,
we give four sources for every story that we talk about.
(24:29):
But if you don't agree, you don't believe in it,
then go go and do your own due diligence. That's
our responsibility as Americans. Don't please just believe what people
tell you. So but I want them, I want Matthew
Dowd who's going to be honest about things to tell me.
I want him on the front line, and then it's
up to me to go and confirm what he's saying. Yeah,
(24:51):
but yeah, yeah, I'm telling you.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Did you see Did you see? Oh? No, I said. Unfortunately,
this is this is ship is going to get heavier
and heavier because they keep affording this administration all the
power that they want. If you keep giving the person power,
it's never going to be an Exactly, it's never going
to be enough. It is never going to be enough.
(25:15):
There is no cap, there is no ceiling. But we're
going to find that out our way.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Unfortunately, well we are, and that's the problem. We have
discussed this many times, right from the beginning before this
president took office. I have never been surprised. He's told
us what he's going to do, who is going to
do it, how he's going to do it, All the
destruction he ran on being a disruptor, we know that.
(25:43):
So I'm not surprised by that. But what I'm surprised
by is that our checks and balances that we put
into place, i e. The Supreme Court, Congress, they're not
holding him accountable. That's the job when the Supreme Court says,
bring a citizen back from ol Salvador in six weeks
went by, I think he was there in additional eight weeks.
(26:05):
Who was holding him accountable. That's like an immediate order,
not when you get around to it. And that's what
I'm shocked and disappointed by. And until we and maybe
he was put in our past Trump on purpose to
shore up our checks and balances. You know, he's kind
of trying to break the walls down, and it's up
to us as citizens to say no and make sure
(26:26):
you vote correctly in the midterms and the next time around.
I don't know. Sometimes you have to break everything down
in order to build it back up. That's the only
thing I can. But he certainly trying my nerves.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
That was very white of you. To my damn sure,
I'm getting none there was. He wasn't put in our
path to teach us shit. He was putting on our
path because we acted like cowards and everybody acting like children,
are selfish and wanted all greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy, greedy,
and this greedy, greedy, greedy gonna cost us our fucking America.
(26:57):
It really will. It's gonna be they think they're making
America better. Child, y'all listen for them. America is on
the decline. Yeah for the well, and none of us
are that. And by the way, I'm telling you what's
really these terrors really about to go up because yesterday
right here in Long Beach, seventy five plus shipping containers
(27:21):
go off the boat. Did you see that? And nobody
knows how happened. I'm like, no accidents happened, but that
is going to rate and a lot of those things
were going to the costcos the target they were talking
about here, you know, the local moms and pop shops,
which is going to raise prices. It is going to
get barbarics. So I'm encouraging everybody hold hold on to
(27:44):
your pennies, hold on to your pennies. No scourging, no flourishing,
keep it tight, and keep everything you need in the
house because I just feel like we're on the verge
of something scary in America. And I hate to say that.
But meanwhile, like you s said, Bob Trump just told you,
oh what he was gonna do. Not two weeks ago
he was speaking on one of his press conferences and
(28:06):
he said, oh, so you mean to tell me if
we're in a war in three and a half years,
there'll be no election. I say, he just told y'all,
and we're going to be in a war. And he
got all these damn missiles pointed at Venezuela right now.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Although they say he is a terrified a war, that's
why he's that's why he's trying.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
To well, he has bone. He has bone, he has uh,
he has selected Bonesburgs. Of course he is.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
I'll tell you he's going to have to do something
with Putin. Putin is now, as you know, is shooting
at Poland for Poland. So not only is he trying
to take Ukraine, but he's trying to take Poland. And
he did have something out on true social that that
you know that Vladimir better be better, be careful. But
I think I think Vladimir's Putin's just playing trump m
(29:00):
But you know, here we go, something's going to happen.
I think he's he's going because now NATO is going
to have to get involved. I think that I think
they're going to force his hands maybe and maybe that's
what he needs. But Putin is losing it. He's absolutely losing.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
He's the show guy. He probably has the deadness.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Oh yeah he is, because Zelensky is tiny and they're
sort of on like the same level. But he there
is like a deadness in his eye, his eyes, but
that's from being the KGB, right, So something's going to
have to happen there. And then of course I watched
it was George Stefanopolis was actually on George Deffanopolis on
(29:50):
this week. I thought this was terrific. They had Prits Pritzker.
I always say Prius he is is it Ryansprius? He
is on the panel for George Stephanopolis, very often huge trumper.
And they also had Chris Christie on and I thought
(30:14):
they were going to go to blows over the economy.
You know, the one guy is trying to get it's
fabulous and Christy's like, you got your happy ass, But
he was he is, He's like, you're talking about the economy.
He goes the job numbers were terrible, he said in
the tariffs are driving the prices up. You know, inflation.
It's not much, but it did go up by like
(30:36):
point two last month from month to month. They were
going to say, oh, or all of a sudden, the
money was going to be good. No, the money is changing,
and it's only the beginning of what the change is.
And that's what Chris Christy was saying. But Chris Christie
was talking right over him. He's like, you are nuts.
I thought it was terrific. I said, oh my god,
this is like two broads going at it like in
(30:58):
a month pit.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I love it. Well, Chris Christy could identify as a brog.
He got a center, he got a old rack on him.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
This time he looked good.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I'm glad that he found himself. His politics is his passion.
But for a minute, I think he got satisfied by
the hype and by the shininess of it all, because
he did follow un under the ring. But he came
back and remember that being American was more important than
being a butt kisser. So I appreciate him for that.
You know, Bobby, Well, today is go ahead. Today, Today
(31:41):
is a we we have to put more rememorance. On
nine eleven, two thousand and one, I remember exactly where
I lived. I lived at fifty eight twenty one Midway
Park in Chicago, where my children were conceived, my nasty behind,
and I woke up and because I was working late
nights at doing shows at midnight, so I wouldn't go
(32:03):
to be at at seven o'clock in the morning, so
I usual wouldn't get up to about two thirty or
three of the afternoon. And I remember we didn't have
cell phones, but I remember I had a bunch of
messages on my damn phone, and I'm like, Who've been
calling me this many times? And I turned the TV on,
and you know, I had to kept show the plane
going into one of the buildings, into one of town,
and it just didn't look real. This was long before AI,
this was two thousand and one, so I'm like, what
(32:25):
movie is this?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
I'm like, what the hell?
Speaker 1 (32:28):
And it just looked like the plane melted into the building.
And then when I saw the other one and I
seen it all over everywhere, I thought we were about
to go into the war. I thought the world was
being America was being attacked. It was.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
It was I didn't I was at home. I actually
was in bed. My girlfriend had like a ten month
old at the time. She came over. She had just
shew a bowling or something, and she came by to
go so we could go out for tea, And she
said she told me what had happened. I didn't believe.
And I also didn't understand talk about a dimwit. I
didn't get the significance of it, Like I didn't. She's
(33:06):
telling me, and I'm like, what is that? I don't
get it. And so she said, we'll put it on
the TV. They're gonna they'll they'll probably show us. And
so I did put it on and we were and
they were explaining, and then we watched the second plane
hit the tower and it was like the most shocking
thing that I could ever say. And strangely to my
(33:30):
one of my high school teachers, he was actually a
football coach, and he was a gym teacher, mister Tantini.
He and his wife were on their way to go
to California to see their newborn grandchild and they were
in they hit, They were hit the first tower and
were killed. And so it kind of hit home a
little bit. And to think of him, he was the
(33:51):
sweetest guy, the most non violent, and to yeah, to
have such a joyous occasion, I thought of how sad
that must have been for his kids waiting with anticipation,
all excited because Gramy and Grampy are coming and know
they weren't.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
I've been through. I've been based Ground zero in New
York and and uh to everybody that was a facing
out because so many people's firefighters, so many EMTs. Oh yeah,
I visited when I was there, so many EMTs. We stayed,
we stayed in the financial district, so we were right close,
and so many EMTs. You know, so many people, police officers, nurses,
everybody who are still affected to this day because of
(34:30):
all of the stuff they got in their lungs. You know.
So even though that happened in two thousand and one,
this is twenty four years ago, it is still has
a linguorine effect. And if you if you lived there
and you experienced it, I'm sure that every time it
comes you remember exactly the moment that it hits you.
Because I remember a police they had on video. Police
(34:52):
turned the corner, boy me and when he turned the corner,
all of the everything was just coming at him. It
just went. You couldn't even see him knowing. It was
like a sandstorm.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
It was crazy, You're right, and when you lived it,
So for people who lived through it, it was twenty
four to seven, I mean we really for weeks it
was twenty four to seven, and as we discussed on
last week's show, Rudy Giuliani could have had such a
legacy had he let that be the end, because he
(35:22):
did do it good. He was He was very good
at unifying everybody and bringing everybody together, not the Rudy
Giuliani that we see together now as Trump's right hand man.
And it was Ryan's previous. I can never say his
name quickly. He was the chief of staff for like
seven months before I think he got canned. That was
(35:44):
on that this week with George Cheffanoppolis. But yeah, but
Rudy Giuliani, he's like a hot mess. We don't even
We forget about that and all you think about is
how we know him now? But that was a lot.
The bombing in Boston on at the Boston Marathon was
(36:04):
another event that sort of brings me. Mark Wahlberg had
a movie. I went to see the movie just support
a Boston boy. I couldn't watch the movie. I had
to get up. It's like something that gives me my
heart starts pounding if you kind of live through those times.
And I feel the same way whenever they show the
footage of nine to eleven. You know, I kind of
(36:25):
get like, oh, I get a little SHITZI and my
heart starts going a little bit. That was a lot.
So I can't even imagine being there in New York
City during that time, what that must have been like.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
And you know, when I think about as a trans person,
what we're living through now, could you imagine if the
world hate trans the way they do now in two
thousand and one and a trans girl gag or a
trans gat got caught up in that and needed to
go to the hospital and was turned away just because
of how they identified. I'm telling you, Bobby, But that's
(37:00):
so we went backwards. We didn't move forward. We went
forward to go backwards. Oh I.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Agree? Did you see that?
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Egen Carrol?
Speaker 4 (37:16):
The verdict.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Is that E. G.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
King e Jen Carol verdict holds he is still owed.
She is still owned eighty three million. I don't think
she is ever going to see it. I don't want
to be mean. Do you see him paying her eighty
three million dollars? I don't see it unless he keeps
suing like NBCCBS, ABC and they just keep handing the money.
Maybe he'll come up with the cash. But I was
(37:43):
a little shocked by that.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Even if he has the money, he's too arrogant. I mean,
he's not going to pay that. That would be a
sign of defeat for him. And he must win at
all costs. Excuse me, he must win at all costs.
I don't think no.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
And he's got it. It's not that he doesn't have it.
He has made He and his family have been in
a lot of politicians, not just him. And it's legal,
So we're not saying it's not legal. It shouldn't be.
Somebody should fix it. They have made bazillions. I don't
even know if there's a word for the dollars that
they've made between selling things and pushing things and investments
(38:28):
that you know that they had heads up on all
legal stuff. Our beloved Nancy Pelosi did it or her
husband did it too, So I don't think it should be.
But he's got the cash, but he's just not gonna.
He's not gonna because he's in. He'll probably have that
go to the Supreme although it's a civil case, so
I don't think that would that. It's a steak case,
so that's they're not going to be able to bring
that one. But he would send it right up the
(38:49):
pike if he could, and try to have it wiped out.
I mean, look at what what Skotis did just this
week alone. Now you can base profile as far as
I'm concerned. If you're Latino and working out it is
a poor job where you could be an alien. Yeah,
(39:12):
they question you and whatever else.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
It's disheartening now to think that it is y'all voted
for this. I believe that my conspiracy is when they
do catch this young man that that murdered Charlie, could
that assassinated Charlie Kirk, that I hope they don't put
a false I hope they do not put a false
narrative on this person, because that's all they're going to do,
(39:43):
especially and they control the media. It's what they put out.
It might not be the truth, but it would be
what they put out because if you hear it three
or four times, that's what you're going to believe that.
And they know that's how we are as Americans. We're
so shallowed. Nobody wants to take the time to research
and read. But if you hear it three or four times,
we're going to believe them. Controlling the media, them controlling
(40:04):
the outlets of what you hear will determine how you feel.
Don't let the way in by bad. Do your research,
find out the real truth, because the real truth might
shock you. But it ain't gonna be the bullshit they're
about to sell us, Because they're about to sell us
some bullshit. I believe that.
Speaker 4 (40:20):
Yeah, No, I always say you've got to vet stuff.
Don't just believe that, you know with somebody, No, it's
not right.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
We want to say we bet we're so happy I
produce that mister Aaron is back. Welcome back, Aaron. We
missed you, or we did like that the Wayne. Let
me be very clear, we did like that the Wayne day.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
That's because he at the end of the day we
jumped on it, told us we were swell.
Speaker 1 (40:43):
That's why, well so he last week. We appreciate you.
We didn't even cover all the topics that we're going
to come tonight. I'm telling you because this Charlie Kirk
thing has the country on edge, and I know everybody
has different feelings about it, myself included. But I'm telling
you right now, y'all, violence ain't the way. It's just
going to cause civil unrest in our country. That is
(41:05):
already unresting. We are already unrested. It's going to cause
a terrible civil unrest. And while we're fighting each other,
we are open to targets that want to fight us
as Americans, not as black, white, right, red or yellow.
They want to fight us as Americans. Please pay attention
to this. That's my piece. You know, I don't know.
(41:27):
I don't know much, but I do know that I
don't like the way it's looking. I don't the writings
are on the wall, and I wish I had an eraser.
I could erase it as easy as you erase a talkboard,
but unfortunately we cannot.
Speaker 4 (41:39):
Yeah, no, pay attention. So pay attention to where you're at,
where you're moving. I want to say thank you everybody.
You have to say the thing because I can never
do it. I never do it right. I only know
my line.
Speaker 1 (41:53):
Well, you have to tell them what. They can follow
you at Bobby Clifford Oh my.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
God, Oh my god. So well you can follow me.
You can follow me on Instagram at Clifford Bobby or
Laugh and Live Learn podcast. Please, guys, send us some
topics and things that you want to discuss for the family.
Fan the Flame section. Say that ten times fast. And
I am Bobby Clifford on Facebook and on TikTok. How
(42:17):
about you on Instagram? My Monroe flame, but you can
follow me on all social media platforms. Just slay Monroe, ladies,
and I'm hear it, Laugh and learn, because I don't
know what my Internet is acting. It's done right now.
I'm here on laughing alone. We're not trying to get
you to change your mind.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
We are only trying to get you to use your mind,
because you see where we're at because of mind, because
we Bobby, because you could.
Speaker 4 (42:39):
Have said it. Your mind and your vote are a
terrible thing to waste.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
We might be a little too late for the votes,
but I tell you what, right now, America, if we
want to say whatever Land of the Free that we
love to holler, land a free home on the brave,
We're gonna have to flip this. Now. I don't know
what that. I don't know what that entails, a real
cognitive whatever we need to do. But I'm telling y'all,
(43:07):
y'all see exactly what we see is great. Your greed
going to destroy your country. That's a question of a
great week. Don't miss an episode of Laugh and Learn.
Listen and subscribe on the Black Effect Podcast Network, Alright
Heart Radio app or wherever you get your podcasts. Laugh
and Learn.
Speaker 5 (43:25):
Podcast is a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network
and iHeartRadio. Our ejective producer is Tiffany Hattish. Our theme
music is by the one and only Chrissy Payne. Thank you, guys,
this is Flaming Road. Don't forget to laugh, Listen and Learn.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Thanks for listening and celebrating five years of the Black
Effect Podcast Network with us. Keep following because the next
five years are about to be even bigger.
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