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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Dorny. We're back
with another episode of Let's Be Clear, and today I
am joined by my absolute best friend in the entire world,
Chris Cretazzo, renowned real estate agent and the man who
has had my heart from day one. I love you, Chris,
(00:25):
I love you.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
To Shannon Doty, I'm so happy that you're here.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I feel like I don't know, it's it's like I
didn't feel anything was right until like you did this
with me.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Well, I cannot write to do it with you.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I'm so excited. I'm so excited. A lot of people
have asked me how we met, So can you explain
how we met.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We met on a showing and you were with your
beautiful mom and dad and they said to you when
they met me, you're going to be marrying this man,
and their prediction will come true.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
That is true. So we yes. Chris was my father's
like dream guy for me, still my mother's dream guy
for me. And it's excellent because you have two children
and so it's like a it's built in family.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
It's a built in family, is right.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
It's so awesome for me.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And you're the best basically.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Mama, Mama. I mean now, I am right. Your daughter
scared me to death.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
She is a very powerful soul.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh so his kids names for our listeners are and
Yellow and More. Just in case you didn't know, Chris
is obviously Italian last name car but then you have
like Ann Yello and Amore, so obviously he's very Italian.
And and Yellow was always kind of like easy for me,
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but a more Oh my goodness. She would look at me,
just look at me with like ew like who are
you lady? Or she would cry like the minute I
would try to like hold her or touch her. She
was not having it. And I have never been scared
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of a kid before. I'm excellent with children, and this
kid scared me to death.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
And have to be honest with you, it actually thrilled
me because you're afraid of no.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
One, no one except for Amore Amour.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
That is one powerful spirit. Aunt. You know what, You
stuck with it, and she loves you. All she wants
to do is go to Anti Shannon's.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
So I my tactic was to start ignoring her when
I would come over. I don't like I think I
discussed it with you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But you came on too strong.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I came on too strong at first. And what I realized,
and what Chris talked to me about, is that she
could basically be my kid because our personalities are very similar.
So when you come on too strong with me, I
get a little wary. I get suspicious of you. And
that's what happened with me and Amorey came on too strong.
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I really wanted her to love me. I wanted to
start developing this relationship with her, like right out of
the gate, because I've always wanted a little girl, like
just always wanted a little girl. So I was like, Okay,
she's mine, she's mine, she's mine, she's gonna love me.
I'm going to make her love me. And it was
too much. So then I was like, all right, I'm
going to ignore her, and I did, and she would
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kind of like when I would walk in the house
and I would be like and yello and amour. I
just wouldn't even say hi to Moray and she I
would like glance at her and she would look at
me with this like suspicious almost like she would like
tilt her head a little bit, almost like a t
rex does.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
It was the raptors drassword Park totally.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
That's what she reminds me of. Sweet And I just
kept going with that because I'm like, Okay, least at
least I'm intriguing her now, which is great, and I'm
throwing her off her game because now I don't want
anything from her. Do you remember when I called you
and told you that there was a breakthrough? I do
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outside Christie's and I was there, having like an very
early dinner because I loved like the Senior Citizen early
bird specials. It's our thing, and like, if we're not
at dinner by five point thirty, we just won't even
bother going to dinner. We're so pathetic, but I love
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it. It makes me so happy. And they were playing, and
so I kind of like went out there to say
hi to an yellow and Amore sort of stood next
to me and she handed me her straw, and I
like I had to leave. I was like, thank you,
and I had to go because I started crying, and
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I called you and I was like, we had a breakthrough.
We had a breakthrough. She gave me her straw.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
This is so exciting.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
And then the other breakthrough actually came very recently. Then
I had you guys, over for pizza night at the house.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
That sealed. That was the ceiling of your bond. Yes, sure, yes,
And all they say is every Sunday are we going
to Anti Shamman's.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
And the answer should be yes, every Sunday.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So we'll see you this Sunday.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Absolutely you will. I actually have pizza dough mate, great,
So right, So that's okay. So we met. I don't
even know how. I mean, was I like twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Twenty something years ago? Is it? No?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
It was longer than that when we met thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, no, way, yeah, I got another glass of wine.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
I know. Well, you got to finish that one first.
It wasn't like we became best friends instantly.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
No, but we were intrigued with each other.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Yes, well I wanted to date you and you wanted
to sell me a house.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Eventually I did. But our bonding moment was when my
dad passed, and we had such an appreciation for our
love for our parents, and I loved that about you.
That was what really cemented my respect and love for
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you is how great you were with your mom and dad.
They reigned supreme in your life, and they reigned supreme
in my life. And I lost my dad first. And
then when I got the call that your dad passed,
I instantly have you go up to the ranch, which
is the most healing property in the world, and you
and your moment up there and just nestled in and
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healed as best you could.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Yes, it was it was the first time since my
dad had passed away. And you know, he passed away
in a way that like I as you know, I
wasn't settled with because definitely not I was. There wasn't
a time he didn't go in the hospital. There wasn't
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a time that he you know, when he had I
don't even know, like nine heart attacks, ten strokes, eleven strokes,
quintuple bypass, heart surgery, full kidney failure. There wasn't one
time that I wasn't present. And I went on a
book tour and I was in New York when he
got rushed to the hospital and I left all my
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clothes in the in the hotel room, like just grabbed
a taxi, ran to the airport. And I got to
the airport and my mom called me and said he's gone.
And you know, then it like once I landed, it
became about getting my mom through it getting my brother
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through it, like picking out a casket, like figuring out
how the service was going to go down, who should
be there. It was like a really weird thing. So
I just went on you know, remote control. I was
like a robot. It was like, you know, like a rumba,
like going around you were, by the way, I really
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need one of those things going around your house and
like automatically vacuuming. I was just on autopilot.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And well, you're in shock mode.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
I was in shock and I couldn't hear him, and
it was freaking me out that, like I couldn't hear
my dad because I was used to speaking to him
every day, multiple times a day and seeing him all
the time. So when you said after his service, you
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were like, go to the ranch. Go to the ranch.
It's a ranch up in the in the mountains of Malibu.
You were like, go, it's healing, it's everything. And I went.
We were in side. We had just you know, had
some food and because you made sure that there was
food there for us, like everything, and there was this
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wind and probably what some people don't know about me,
you know this is that I'm Native American Indian, I'm
part Native American Indian and I feel that tie all
the time to that that part of my heritage and
where Chris's Ranches is surrounded by like Indian sacred ground.
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Really yeah. And I went outside and I set on
the steps outside and just sat there and I was like,
why can't like I can't believe, like I don't get
to talk to my dad again. And this wind picked
up and I heard my father and his arms literally
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I felt his I know it gives you his I
felt his arms go around me and he said it's
gonna be okay, baby, I love you. I'm here, And
I was like, oh my god, like he is still here,
like he's everywhere, He's everywhere. Yeah, And it was such
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a crazy powerful moment and something that I know, I
thank you for giving me that moment. You know, you're
so ridiculously giving to begin with, and you don't ever
need to thank you, but I just it meant the
world to me because it gave me a little bit
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of closure in something that was so hard to have
closure with, you know, much like probably your experience with
your dad.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Well, you know, it's interesting that we both got a
phone call. My parents were in Canada, My dad left
his body there, and I always say, your one phone
call away from your whole life changing. And it happened
to both of us, and we were the people who should.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Have We should have been there.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
We should have been there, but the universe did not,
or they or they, I know.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
You know because they they both. Your dad passed away
with your mom present. My father passed away with my
mother present. And I didn't think that they did not
want us there.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
I think it would have been too intense for us
because of our bond with our dads.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah, I mean it would have been.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
I think we would have been crippled.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, I mean, he was my best friend.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
The fact that they went so quickly is a blessing
because I'm dealing with someone today that I had to
say goodbye to, and it's to watch someone go through
the emotions of passing is a very interesting scenario.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
So you could have canceled.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Absolutely not. So that was our love bond was the parents,
and I think that just it sealed our friendship and
our respect for each other.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Yeah, I mean, from that moment on, I think we
were like, not inseparable in the physical sense, inseparable in
that in that too, But like inseparable in that like
we had to connect, we had to talk to each other,
We had to like there was even if it was
a text at phone call, like there was always something
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where you know, we we just kept gravitating to each other.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
And I don't think there's a day we don't touch base. No,
because I'm a wreck. If I don't get to hear
from you, I go into sheer panic mode.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I mean, yes, and we have so many different aspects
of our friendship that I think is really funny. Like
when you and I fight, it's crazy brutal.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Oh we do. If we get in a big to do,
we don't talk to each other for a few days,
and then someone will send a meme to break the ice.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
When honestly, the longest time we've gone without speaking twenty.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Four hours, thirty six hours.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
I don't even think we reach thirty six hours. I
think it's more brutal for everybody else than it is
for you and me. Oh yeah, because I think you
and I kind.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Of like, oh, we just it's it's catnip.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yeah, Well, every now and then we want we want
to fight.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
But I have to say the most remarkable thing with
you is You're the easiest person in the entire world
to travel with.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
You're just so are you. We're so united and you
let me work. We do our own thing, and you're
just which no one does. Everyone wants to kind of
control my situation.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, not me, I know, but it's the same with you.
I mean, I just don't need that from you, like
I don't. Your presence is enough for me. I don't
need you constantly engaging in conversation with me. And I
have so much respect for you. I've I honestly don't
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know anyone that works harder than you. The hours that
you work are insane and it is NonStop, and it
is from so many different personalities because you know, you're
the number one real estate agent in the world basically,
and you represent all sorts of people, but everybody wants
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to be considered special and like number one, and you
honestly make everyone feel special in number one, and you
treat everyone as if they're the most special in the
number one. Like you care about your clients more than
anybody else that I've met. And it doesn't matter if
the house is you know, a small house that's normally
like not even a budget that you would normally represent
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you you represent it with one hundred percent of yourself,
just like you represent the life like one hundred million
dollar houses.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
That's my personality. But I think you're comfortable with that
because you know you're number one. Okay, so you're like,
it's okay. I don't kind of have a piece of view.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
But the listeners really need to see this video because
my face was like, yes, exactly, it's true though I
am number one.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You are number one. I know that.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I said that spot with your mom, like your mom
is number one, and the children, yeah, and the children
like we all your family is number one, and I'm
part of the family.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
You're part of the family. Yeah. Yeah, You're the fourth
the fourth wheel, and that's how my life runs because
of you. And everyone says what is so special about Shannon?
I go, I feel protected and I feel secure when
I'm in your orbit and it's the biggest compliment.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
They're welcome.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Did a although can I tell the story?
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Which one, no, you can't, so.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Uh the Tennessee story. We're in Tennessee and and Chris
has bought this beautiful farm, tons of acreage.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And that we're living together.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Yes, and I have, you know, done a lease purchase
in a lesser part of the town and a much
cheaper house, a much smaller house. There's not I have
a house, there's just a barn. But I was like, oh,
I need something to call my own. And I'm trying
to show Chris the proper, like I'm like, you gotta
you know, because I basically just did it online. So
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I was like, Chris, you have to come and see it.
And he's following me with our good friend Kirby and
and Honor Raise in the car with me and Julie
and they like, I don't know, I made a left
hand turn or I mess, you're going.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
One hundred miles an hour. And I was enjoying the
country roads.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Right, and I also missed a few turns and I
kept on having to like swivel back around. And Chris
called me and we gotten this like.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Screaming match, gemy match.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
And it was just to anybody else, it was the
most horrifying thing ever. Like Kirby was like, oh my god,
I'm not okay with this. Honore was like, let me.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
Out of the car, Let me out of the car.
She jumped out of the car. It was black Hawk down.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It was and like Chris and I literally five seconds
later laughing hysterically about.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
It traumatized everyone, and it was just like, oh, well.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I mean it it was like it was for a
play for us, completely for a play. I mean it
might have been actual sucks for us. We were like,
we're good now, good for the month.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
What about the time that we got in a fight
over at the.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
Tempe Well, you know I won that one.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
You didn't it? Did I even say that you were right?
I think I studied a year later. I couldn't bear myself,
yeah to say it was wrong?
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Yeah, how that were so snooty on the plane?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Well, Chris was trying to like tell me how good
Tempe was for me, and I was like, Tempe is
not good for people with cancer because like lammatory, it's
got soy in it, And not that it's not good
for people with cancer, but my particular cancer with like
breast cancer, and you know the pathology of my particular
cancer is just not good for me. It's it's too
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much of like a fungus. I can't I can't do it.
Chris is a vegetarian, has been one for how many.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Like thirty seven years right, No fish.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
No nothing, no nothing, And so he was really just
trying to like drive home the like temphe vegetarian thing.
And I was He's like, it's not bad for you.
I'm like, you want to make it. He's like, it
doesn't have soy. I'm like, it is nothing but soy.
And it was just this argument back and forth until
I finally was not like.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Did you know you did?
Speaker 1 (19:13):
I did? Yeah, of course I did.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Such bossy pants instantly googled.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
I'm like and I just like handed him my phone
like read this and I.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Switched the subject immediately immediately.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
But you never ever offered me tempay now.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
No, just coconut oil and strawberries.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Just the things that I'm allergic to and that will
kill me anyway. So now you guys know that we
love to fight and that's like sex with uh what
was it like for you? And do you remember uh
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me telling you when I got diagnosed the first time?
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yes, we're in pairs, and well there's two different stages.
There was the first age when we were in Paris
at Hotel cost having such a wonderful time.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
That's our spot, that's our.
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Spot, and we're having a beautiful dinner, and I could
tell you that you were nervous, and you said, I
have something to tell you, and you started crying, and
of course I started crying. And you said, my dog
is smelling my breasts and I have a lump and
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I think I have cancer. And we both burst into tears.
And it kind of shook my whole world because it
was the first time I thought, wow, you could go, yeah,
you can really leave me. And it was a lot
to process, and I just I felt so much love
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and I just always want to protect you. You You're
always protecting me, and it was just, you know, you
feel so helpless. And then the second time you call
me in the car, you could barely speak and you said,
I have cancer. I have cancer. I have cancer, and
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it was just we I think we both knew it.
The confirmation was it was the confirmation and the realness
of it all and then knowing the journey beyond. But
and everyone's always saying, how is Shennon doing. How is
Shannon doing? I said, She's always amazing. But the one
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thing with you that you are the strongest person I
know in a situation that you're confronted with, You're getting chemo.
You are sick as a dog. You never complain and
you're just so to a warrior. But it's so brutal.
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I know what you're going through. I know you know,
I see how sick you are and you just never
complain and you are this. I just you're on such
a different level than anyone I know that you just
you're never the victim. And it's unbelievable, Shannon, And it
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just it just further reinforces my respect and love for you,
and as a friend on the friend slash future husband,
it's it's just a it's a it's a it's a journey.
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And it was so great for you to call me
the other day and give us good news. Yeah, and
it's just encouragement. But my god, you're amazing and you know,
you see all your fans and everyone and then encourage
the encouragement that you give to so many people. We're
at NOBU And remember that lady when the picture with
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you and her daughter and she was I have cancer.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
And her daughter was like my mom, Like I know.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
But it's just like you give, you give so much
and you're so open about it and you document it,
and it's it's really inspiring.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I mean, I thank you. I think it's Listen. I
do complain. I just don't complain in front of people.
I do complain, like I have. You know, I have
a lot of moments where I h I tend to
be the person who cries in a closet by themselves. Basically, yeah,
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like you like, we're you know, we're we're very similar
in that sense where we appear to be, you know,
very strong and warriors and we can get through everything,
but like we'll have breakdowns, but we were in a
closet hiding having our breakdowns, and I definitely do that,
you know, Like I'm not nearly as strong as people
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you're strong. I am strong, but I'm not. You know.
My point is one hundred percent have those moments where
I feel all of it and I wish for something different, right,
Like I wish this wasn't what I was dealing with
in life. But then I always have to look at
the other side of it and go, well, then what
else would you be dealing with? And would it be
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as impactful and would it be as meaningful as this?
Like you know, my obviously, my biggest thing is I
just don't want to die too soon because I have
a lot to accomplish, so that weighs heavy on my
brain of like I haven't raised enough money for cancer.
I haven't you know, spoken up, I haven't rescued enough,
like I just haven't. I haven't changed the slaughter laws
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in the United States of America, I haven't. Like there's
just so many things that I want to do that
I haven't done, and I just, you know, every night,
like my prayers to God, like, please give me enough
time to accomplish all of the things that I want
to do, but also to accomplish what you have me
on this earth to do. Like I know that there's
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a reason for all of this, and you know that reason,
and I trust in you, but please just allow me
the time to figure out what it all is. Like
that's my biggest thing. So I think, like what I
really appreciate, appreciate about you and our friendship is that
you have You're very strong and you're very supportive, but
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you're not afraid to cry in front of me and
be scared in front of me, which allows me to
show you my fear for myself also, and I don't
have that with a lot of people because a lot
of people just are like, she's so strong, nah, but you,
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you know, you're an open book with me, and so
when you're scared for me, you show it and it
breaks down all of those walls and allows me to
like frigaking cry.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Well we cried when we were in Croatia. Yeah, but
it was great though, because you actually cried because you
can't stand see me cry. I hate it, and it
really broke down. It showed a vulnerability amongst each other
because they're always trying to be the pillar of strength.
And it was a very powerful moment.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
I agree, and I think a needed moment because sometimes
strength is everybody thinks that strength is being you know,
stoic and and putting forth like you know this exterior
of I'm good, I'm fine. But what I have discovered
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and with your help, is that strength is in every
tear that falls out of my eye. Of course, that's strength.
Like the more that I'm able to embrace my vulnerability
and my fears, that's how I get stronger, the same
with you.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I agree, but it was it was such a needed
release because I think we both had so much emotion
built up because none of us want to say good
by to each other.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Right, But as you always say, it can happen to
any of us.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
We're one phone call away, right, one phone call.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I mean we just.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I mean remember and I said, you know, Shannon, I
can leave this earth before you Yeah, you were.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Like what that blew my die was like that's that. No,
that's not happening. That's not happening. You're dude. You're the
executor of my will, like you, you control everything when
I'm dead, like you got to take care of my
mom likes it's almost spelled out for you, my love.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I know. I haven't and I haven't read it.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I know it which is hysterical.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Funeral list three people, Mama, Rosa, and Bowie.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
So this came up when I was well. It's come
up a couple of times, but it really came up
when I was about to go in for brain surgery
in January, and you know, I didn't think that I
was going to make it. I redid my will and
I made sure everything was like super clear, and I
transferred who was executor of my will to Chris because
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before it was my attorney, who I loved madly, but
it's too much responsibility for him. And you know, me
better than anyone else. And I also knew that you
would take the money and grow at the best possible.
I was like, anybody can take what money I have
to make me, you know, really really really wealthy. It's
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Chris and Richard, so I was pretty I was like, yep, yep,
my mom needs a lot of money. So we got it.
But I taught to you a little bit, and I
spoke to my mom. It really upsets her to talk
about it, but then she starts laughing through it about
like a funeral, because I've been to a few. I'm
horrible at funerals. I don't know if anybody's actually good
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at funerals. But I'm the girl who like literally sobs.
I can't handle it like death to me, like it
just I mean my dad's it was very hard to
keep anything together. But it was also like I was
pleasantly surprised at my dad's of who showed up. But
it made me start thinking about who would show up
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to mine. And there's a lot of people that I
think would show up that I don't want there, Like
I don't want them there because the reasons for showing
up aren't necessarily the best reasons. Like they don't really
like me, and you know, like they have their reasons
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and good for them, but they don't actually really like
me enough to show it to my funeral. But they
will because it's the politically correct thing to do and
they don't want to look bad, and so I kind
of want to take that pressure off of them. And
I want my funeral to be like a love fest.
I don't want people to be crying or people to
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want people to privately being like thank God that they're
just dead now, you know, bye bye bitch, right, Like,
those are the things I don't want. I'm going to
pour you a little bit more wine. So, by the way,
you guys were drinking my favorite wine, which is called
I call it Hanata, but it's j o Na Ta
Hanata from Sinninez and I decided that this was so
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far the very first podcast recording I've done where I
drink with someone, and I was like, it's definitely going
to be with Christopher.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And it tastes so good, doesn't it. So who do
you want? So? Who do you want to be there?
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Because that's the shorter that's the better list. I can't
give you a list of who I don't want because
that's way.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
Too long, And where do you want to be?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Let's do it here at my house, but like party.
Do you remember one of my mom's birthdays that I
threw here where I tinted like the back off the
kitchen and I had a DJ playing and it was
like super fun, Like that's what I want. I want
it to be a celebration.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
And where do you want your ashes?
Speaker 1 (31:33):
I haven't figured that out yet. This is such a
morbid conversation, but it's also so fun. I want to
be mixed with my dog and I want to be
mixed with my dad. I do not want to be buried.
I want to be cremated.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I would definitely not bury you.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, And I was reading about a thing where you
can take your ashes and and grow a.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Tree that I can I can wear you around my neck.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
I did that with my dad. I had my dad
around my neck for a little bit. I actually don't
know where that necklace went, but I was having nightmares.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Could I have a little PCU around my neck?
Speaker 1 (32:12):
You may thank you.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
I'll probably just be left with Bowie.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
You just get her toenailail and tail. It'll be nothing
of me whatsoever. We'll get their hands in it and
like really mix it up so it's a healthy mixture
of my father, me and Bowie.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
I would love that. But where where am I going
to scatter you? You can't.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
You have to direct I mean maybe maybe I just
like part of me just sits on your bedstand and
stares at you.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Make sure I don't fall in love with anyone else
in my life. Right, you are horrible.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I know I am, But I think like I could
pick out like a really beautiful, like little container for
me and then have my face. It's like, no, it's.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Going to be with your It's going to be a cutout,
so I could see the ashes. Your eyes will be
looking at me.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
It'll be like clear, so you see my ashes, and
then like my face like somewhere on there just staring
at you. I know I'm diabolical.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
You're diabolical.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
And at the same time, I don't know the things
that I want, I know the things that I don't want.
I don't find it difficult to have this conversation with you.
Like most people would say this is the most morbid,
you know, weird conversation, But I find there's something to
me reassuring about it. Along with very funny, and I
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like being funny about certain situations, especially when they're dire.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
So, how does it make you feel when you have
a conversation like this with me.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
About your feel Yeah? I love it, of course you do.
Sick of hello, No, but it's an important conversation. I
don't want to be scrambling at the end trying to
figure it out. And your mom's like Mississippi.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
I will haunt you. I have to find a place
that my dad and I both really loved and it
meant a lot to us.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
And where was meaningful? Where did you spend most of
your most precious times beside malibll I.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Mean Malibu was really good? Are you?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
And the you want to go in the ocean the hills?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
He always wanted a Viking funeral. He wanted to like
be set on like a you know, canoe boat whatever
and some on fire and like set out to see
That's what he always wanted.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
My luck, it will be like westerly breezes and I'll
throw you guys in the ocean right back in my face.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Totally in your mouth. You're like swallowing us.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Oh god, no, I don't think it's a more big conversation.
I think everyone should have this conversation. And just so
you know, I want if I do go first, I
want some a little doom. I want some at the ranch.
I would like some in Canada.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, and that's it, that makes sense to me. Yeah,
those three spots precious spots. And what about your funeral,
like you know everybody like yours would be filled with
like six hundred people.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
I want an Indian wedding funeral. I want it to.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Mean what what does that mean?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Like a thousand people? Come?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Oh, I want a huge So you don't even care
if your arch nemesis shows up. You're like, yeah, let them.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Let them, let them see how much I'm loved. God.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
What a healthy attitude to have.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
I think I'm gonna switch you.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
I mean maybe I think about how many fans you have.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
You could have one, two million.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
I don't my fans showing up like those are you know,
those are people who've supported me my entire life and
my career. I love you and I love them Like
that's different. I'm talking about like people that really don't
like me. I just don't want those people there. And
I know who they are.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
I know, but don't you think when you leave your body.
I mean, we're in such a different plane that maybe
it's no.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
I hate fakeness. I hate fakeness, A horror fakeness. I
can't stand people who you know, want to all of
a sudden pretend like they you know, found Jesus and
they're so sorry and they repent and they didn't mean
anything bad that they said about you, blah blah blah.
I can't stand that. I'm like, no, no, no, I
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know you're still the exact same, petty human being. Don't
just stay away from me like we're good. I don't
need to say something bad about you. You don't need
to say something bad about me. But we can just
un the podcast, just ignore each other.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
But we could to say everyone you don't like I know, right,
And you know what, it's in one sense, we've lived
so much more because we do have the threat of
your cancer. And I think when we're with each other,
our connection is even deeper because every time I look
in your eyes, I'm like, oh my god, those eyes
are so gorgeous, and it's just but you, we live
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deeper because we know there could be a limited time.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
There's a lot of people that are not fortunate enough
to have this relationship. You know, you've sort of been
like my my savior through a lot of situations.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
And when you're a little safety blanket.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
You're more than a little safety blanket. Like you're the
entire comforter. It's love that like, I know that I
can count on you, and I know that I can
be me. I know that I can be bitchy and
you're gonna dive right in there with me. I know
that I can cry and you're going to like hold
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me and cry with me. You you are the one
person who gets every aspect of my personality. And I
hope vice versa without question.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
But I have to say, if you are bitchy, there's
a reason for you being bitchy. I don't think you're
bitchy just to be a bitch.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
I think except on the drive from like Tennessee to
the plane.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
We had so much pent up energy. We screamed at
each other for over an hour, in loving every breath
that came out of.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Our mouth, every breath.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
I have a question for you, what's your biggest fear
on death?
Speaker 1 (38:56):
Not accomplishing what God put me on this earth?
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Bloor are you afraid of death itself, like the process
of dying.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, for sure, you know, I as you know, one
of my best friends, Deborah died during the pandemic. Did
not die of COVID. She died of cancer. And she
got diagnosed with cancer after I got diagnosed, but I
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wasn't stage four yet, and she was like instantly stage
four because she had waited too long to go to
the doctors. And then when I became stage four and
she was stage four, it was like, you know, talking
about the protocols together and everything else. And then she,
you know, she died alone. Again. It was during the pandemic,
and it was towards sort of the beginning and they
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weren't really allowing people.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
And which was also so insane.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Yeah, and she you know made the decision to you know,
not take any more meds that would keep her alive.
And that was her decision. She didn't discuss it with me,
I know, she discussed it with her husband and her daughter,
who I love dearly. It's been really hard for me
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to like talk to them on a regular basis because
I still struggle with like Debra's death in such a
way that I've kind of blocked it a little bit,
but I wasn't able to go to the hospital, and
so I just remember calling the unit that she was
in and saying to the nurse, like, can you please
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just put the phone next to her ear and let
me talk to her, Like I know that she's sort
of has had slipped into like this sort of cooma
at this point, but she'll hear me. And you know,
I talked to her for an hour and a half.
I think just say, like this, you don't have to
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make this decision, like there are clinical trials, but if
this is your decision, like I love you and I
support you. I think that I don't want to die
like that. I don't want to die alone. I want
to go out fighting, to be honest, and you know,
I'm I'm like every person, none of us want to
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feel a ton of pain when we die. We all
would prefer to you go, oh, I'll die in my sleep,
And I'm like, I don't want to die in my
sleep necessarily, Like that's that's weird for the other people
in your life.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
I think, I think it's a blessing, but.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
I want to die like looking at people going I
love you, it's my time. It has been fantastic. I'm
going to close my eyes in sixty seconds and I'm
going to go to a better place.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Right, But that usually doesn't happen because you're gasping for air.
Speaker 1 (41:59):
Because but that's my that's my ultimate like wish list
of how I die. I just want to like reassure everybody.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
And you know, do you know it's the only time
I saw fear in your eyes was when I sery. Yes, yeah, And.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
I did not think I was gonna be me after
that surgery.
Speaker 3 (42:22):
I know.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
But seeing you and seeing your mom look at you,
and you looking at your mom because it was the
three of us, and watching you look into each other's
eyes literally broke my heart. And you're so powerless as
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a friend because there's nothing you can do, and you
just said, I love you, mommy, And you know, we
held your hand going down the hallway and you had
to say the final you know, I had to say
your mom had to say goodbye, and it was brutal.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
Yeah, it was brutal.
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yeah, that was the only time I saw, for here
in your eyes.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
I was positive I was going to die.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Not only die, though, but I think you thought you could.
You're going to be dead or you're going to have
brain damage and you would not be the same.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I thought it was, Yes, it was one of those two.
I didn't think there was any other outcome but brain
damage or death because I don't get scared of a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Things, I know, but that was the first time I
saw it.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
I also think that like you know, seeing you, seeing
my mom, seeing my brother, seeing my sister in law,
like you know, everybody sort of rallied around and being
there and coming in and saying, you know, I love
you and you're gonna be fine, We'll see you on
the other side. Like it definitely helped. But I was
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shocked when I woke up. The first person I saw
was doctor Cheu, right, and I just remember being like
looking opening my eyes and seeing him and being like, so,
what's wrong with me? Like that was the first thing.
What's wrong with me? Like tell me what transpired doing
that surgery? How my messed up right now? Like is
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my right foot not working? Is there something in my brain?
And this is something I have not talked about yet.
It's really interesting and I and you know this is
that when I came home, when I was recovering, I
had a very hard time with memory and more importantly,
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hand coordination. I remember that my right hand wasn't working properly.
I couldn't hold a glass and I was like, oh
my god, this is forever. And I was I was
hopped up on so many steroids as you know that.
It was like I was Craig Ray slightly slightly.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
I was nuts. Nuts, yeah, nuts. But that's a legitimate
concern if you can't use your right harm. The good
news is you're completely fine. But that was the only
time I ever saw you scared.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
Yeah, that was very scary.
Speaker 2 (45:20):
I have a question for you, as my everything, what
do you want from me in my life?
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Happiness, contentment, peace. I want you to grow super old
and watch your children flourish. And because I know how smart.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
You are, I find you one of the smartest people
I've ever met. Your brain triggers on some higher level
than anyone I know. I think I'm smart, I'm very social,
I'm good at what I do because I love people.
You're on just a higher level. You're like the Siamese cat,
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and I'm like the labrador.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
That is so cute.
Speaker 2 (46:07):
Bye, by the way, thank you for that.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
So my biggest wish for you is that you get
to be healthy and cognizant where you get to watch
that for your children, because I know that your children
are the most important things in your life. And my
other wish for you is that your mom lives as
long as humanly possible, too, because I also know what
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that means to you and your mom. Yeah, so I'm
going to wrap it up and just say thank you so.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Much, thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (46:41):
You're the love of my life, You're my best friend,
You're my entire heart, my soul, and I appreciate you
taking your time because I know how valuable your time is.
And thank you.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
And we have many more journeys to go, my love, I.
Speaker 1 (46:59):
Know, I know perfect all right, Thank you guys for
tuning in to Let's be clear, And thank you Chris Cretazzo,
realtor extraordinaire and more importantly, love of my life, extraordinary