July 18, 2024 • 60 mins
Dramos dives into trending stories from the week including the attempted assasination of Donald Trump, a mass attack in NYC that was stopped, Latina's saying Latino men need to step it up, Emmy nominatinos and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Let me talk about talk. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
He said, you live in life as a ringle, where
you question where you fit in every time you mingle,
they say.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You do this would not.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yes, Hello and welcome to another episode of Life as
a Gringo. I am dramos, of course, and it's Thursday,
so I mean it's time for our Thursday Trends episode
flying solo on Today's show. And yeah, I mean it's
gonna be a weird one. I'm gonna be I'll be frank,
I'll be completely you know, honest about you know.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's it's a weird episode.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're gonna talk about obviously, uh, Donald Trump's assassination attempt.
And regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum,
if you will, it's a dark time period in our country.
(01:05):
There's no way around that. And I'll touch on this,
you know, more as we get into it. But like,
I can't help but just like I took a couple
of days from like really being on social media just
because it.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Was, like, man, it's dark. It's a dark time.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Period and it's exhausting to even talk about this stuff
and think about it, you know, but we do have
to address it. So I'll touch on that also, I
guess piggybacking off of that, just have you shit, there
was an alleged neo Nazi that was trying to plot
a mass attack in New York.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We'll touch on that.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
On a lighter side of things, we'll touch on how apparently,
according to the ladies of TikTok, Latin men are basically
trash and we're not romantic anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So we shall discuss.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And and then on the positive side of things, Emmy
nominations were announced and we had a lot of Latina representations,
so absolutely love that. So we will celebrate that. But
first and foremost as well as do let's just start
off with the nonsense, the heaviness, the bs. In a
segment we call for the people in the back, say
a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Of the people in the say a lot of the
people in the say a lot of the people of
all right, so I'll start with the Trump stuff. And
(02:39):
I'm not gonna, like, I'm not gonna go into great
detail about the specifics of it all.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think if you really want to dive into like
the background of the would be assassin and you know,
all the events taking place in security lapses and all
these things. There's just better platforms to break that all
down for you. The obvious is that this past weekend
live on Saturday evening, Donald Trump was at a rally
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in Pennsylvania and a man attempted to assassinate him and
came within inches of delivering a probably deadly shot to
the head, right inevitably. Yeah, there's no way around it, right,
(03:29):
So sadly one person did die. I think two others
were injured. For the shooter was killed by law enforcement
and Trump I'm hearing conflicted things. His ear was either
grazed by the bullet or the teleprompter shattering the glass
is what actually cut his ear. Either way, he was
(03:50):
within inches of his life being over. And you know,
I've been a staunch Donald Trump, a hater if you will,
I'm not going to walk that back or anything, and
you know it's how I feel. But even with that,
(04:15):
it's not lost on me the gravity of this situation.
And I think what it says about the United States
of America currently that in twenty twenty four, a former
president and a presidential candidate currently.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Almost lost his life. And yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Like, I like I started the show with you know,
it's it's been heavy on social media and news and
all these things, just because I think also for me
what I I really wanted to touch on.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's like the finger pointing that begins to happen, right.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And I don't think that there is any excuse whatsoever
for violence.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Ever, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That there is any reasoning behind, you know that, like
for this to potentially have happened, other than the fact
that this person was not mentally in a good place,
in a stable place, and very obviously you should not
have had access to a weapon. But I think it's
(05:38):
you know, and maybe it's too soon to I mean,
I want to say, it's the conversations happening. I think
what's frustrating is now the further division that begins to
happen and kind of like the revision is history that
is happening now because the attempted violence was against someone
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who was Republican. And this is where I'm like, I'm
pulling my hair out almost, it feels like. And what
gets me feeling like I'm crazy because you go on
social media and you'll see the the dialogue that's happening, right,
And I like on my TikTok feed ramly Pull, you know,
(06:25):
popped up was like somebody like you see the Republican
nominee was almost assassinated and no Republicans were out in
the street rioting and burning things down and it, you know,
and it was like, did you guys forget what happened
January sixth at the Capitol when your candidate lost. You
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guys literally attacked the government building and we're threatening the
lives of sitting members of the Government of Congress, assaulting
police officers and what gets you like, I don't know,
for me makes me it gets even more frustrating. You
(07:10):
look at some of the comments and it's deranged, right,
It's like people are living in their own false sense
of reality.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You have people in those comments, you know, responding to
somebody saying do you forget about January sixth? Somebody's like
they were invited in, the doors were opened for them, dude.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
There is footage of police.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Officers being smashed between doors trying to hold people back.
Like the information is out there if you want it.
But we live in a time period where people literally
want to just live in a false reality, you know.
(07:54):
And I see like the posts about like this is.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Why words matter call.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
They call Trump hitler in a of course, somebody's going
to try to assassinate him. You know, dialogue matters when
it's being spoken about on the media and people at
large platforms. Where was that same energy when Nancy Pelosi's
husband was attacked in a politically motivated assault at their
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home where somebody with a hammer, you know, could have
beaten this man to death. You had Republicans posting memes.
I mean Trump posted something about his Halloween costume. He
had a Paul Pelosi Halloween costume, and it was like
a pair of tidy whitei's and a hammer. They were
making jokes about political violence. And I can remember, you know,
(08:41):
around the time of COVID talking about like rhetoric matters,
you know, the then President Trump talking about the China
virus China. It was like, yeah, of course we saw
hate crimes against Asian Americans going up, or the rhetoric
around you know, immigrants right now, and of course we're
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seeing like immigrants being targeted. But again that's doesn't that's
not real, it doesn't matter. I remember having people saying, oh, well,
you know, these are adults, they shouldn't be influenced by anybody,
regardless of their following. And now it's a complete one
eighty and a revisionist history. And again I'm not condoning
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this or lessening the moment that happened.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
But it's hard. But I think what like what it really.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Began to point out to me, it's like, man, people
are really living in their own false reality. And obviously
you know it by some of the things you hear,
the rhetoric you hear, but it's it's really scary. And
maybe I've been reading too much about like AI and
(09:55):
just the idea of like men in general. There's like
stuff Bud He's being done and showcasing that like men
in general are becoming increasingly more depressed and angry and
violent or taking their own lives at high rates.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And there's sort of.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
This you know, really dark norm that's happening, this sort
of anti man rhetoric, if you will, over correction kind
of happening where a lot of men, particularly younger generations,
(10:35):
are angrier and anger and lonelier and lonelier than ever.
And I'm not trying to go like Andrew Tate on
this either, where it's like you know, superior man and
alpha male and all this bullshit. But I think, as
with anything, you know, everything is nuanced. The truth lies
somewhere in the middle. And I think we've done an
amazing job at women's rights and progressing the power that
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women have have in their lives in this country, in
the workplace, and in every aspect of it. But I
do think at times, as with anything, what starts out
as good ends up having a bit of an overcorrection.
And I've noticed this rhetoric around, you know, in conversation
with some of sort of my more I guess feminist
leaning female friends.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Their sort of norm is women's empowerment at the sort
of detriment of men at holmost, right, And I'm kind
(11:47):
of getting in a weird off topic thing, but I guess,
you know, I'm to tie it all together to a degree.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
The shooter was like a young man, right, and.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
As most mess shooters are, right, most acts of violence
and things like that. And yeah, I just think it's
an interesting time period and I'm not like you know,
and these again are nuanced conversations. They're tough to have
because the immediate sort of response to me, as a
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man saying this, it's like, well, you're a guy. Of
course you're you know, you're a heterosexual assistander male. Of
course you're going to be, you know, threatened by the
idea that men aren't as you know, running things anymore.
And that's not what I'm I'm I'm speaking of at all.
Like I think, you know, I believe that we can
have women's empowerment, but we also don't have to tear
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down the other side, because I think we we then
just keep like the pendrum just keeps violently swinging right
in either direction, and we never get to a place
of like peace and balance, which is the.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Goal, right.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I think whenever you have progression at the expense of
another group of people, it never ends well, right, one
side's going to become resentful and then and decide that
like was once persecuted, ends up becoming the persecutor, right,
if that makes sense. And I'm just like flushing out.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Thoughts here that are that are kind of coming up
in general. But I think.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Sort of what I was getting at with with that,
I've been listening to this podcast in particularly, I can't
really Guy's name. I'll try to think of it. At
some point I want to get them on the podcast,
but he had some really interesting points about the sort
of loneliness that a lot of men are experiencing.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And the.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Anger, and how a lot of men are like turning
it to isolation almost and how technology you know, things
like porn and you know VR and you know.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Really just like.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
These acts of loneliness and lack of human interaction, right,
and men not you know, it's something like one in
three men can't name a best friend. Like different statistics
you hear, like that that are sort of that's creating
like this epidemic of just like really angry, violent and lonely,
sad depressed men, right, And there's been a lot of
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studies and correlations between sort of these acts of violence,
these mass shootings and things like that. And yeah, and
and that sort of again ties to me when I
look at a lot of the commentary politically, people really
are living living in their own sort of dystopian false reality.
(14:33):
And social media obviously plays a gigantic role in that
because of the algorithms and what it feeds us. Right,
if we want to see outlandish conspiracy theories, you know,
twenty four hours a day, the algorithm is going to
happily feed that to us, Right, and it begins to
wrap our brain away, and another thing was being brought
up like in that that kind of what I'm referencing.
(14:56):
It talks about how like young men are far more
in to believe conspiracy theories than women. And it's sort
of it's like people who are really going through it
trying to find sense of it, all, right, a reason
why they feel shitty, right, They're trying to find an
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explanation as to why their life isn't what they hoped
it would be. And that's why people like Andrew Tate
have been able to capitalize on that, right, like this
whole red Pill movement and this idea of like the
alpha male and selling you on this you know, disgusting
narrative of the mistreatment of women and being ultra tough
and all like, you know, it's people are hurting. There's
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a lot of people really just I don't know, fucked up,
and I think, for lack of a better you know phrasing,
which I think we all are, to a degree, but
they're turning to really tragic means of trying to fill
that void, I guess, is what I'm talking about. And
this person who attempted to assassinate the president is one
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of them.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
The people who are.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Blindly following false rhetoric are are also a part of that.
And then even you know, segueing into kind of the
next story, derise in white supremacy and how outland like
not outlanded, but it is outlandish, but like how bold
they've become that they don't even feel the need to
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hide it anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Right, there was this a story in.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Tennessee where you had white supremacists like neo Nazis marching
proudly in the street. And then this story here where
you had in a legend neo Nazi being accused of
plotting a mass attack in New York. So, a federal
grand jury in New York City has handed down an
indictment charging in a legend neo Nazi leader with plotting
a deadly attack on Jews and racial minorities. On Tuesday,
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the Justice Department announced their twenty one year old Georgian
named Georgian national named Miklai. His name, last name is crazy.
It's like to its villiers. Sorry, Miklais is as far
as I've gotten here, had allegedly tried to recruit people
to commit hate crimes and a mash casualty attack in Brooklyn.
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Authorities say he was known as quote Commander Butcher that's cute,
and led a white supremacist group called the Maniac Murder Colts.
This guy was running a white supremacist group that called
themselves the Maniac Murder Cult. One of the schemes that
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he is accused of plotting involved having someone dressed up
as Santa Claus and give out poisoned laced candy to
racial minorities and children at Jewish schools in Brooklyn. And
the article goes on to say, combined with a resurgence
of racist hate speech on x and other social media platforms,
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and they mentioned the march in Nashville, these indictments, they say,
point towards a spike in unabashed racism and again further
proof that rhetoric matters and that you can't ignore it
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just because it's not in line with, you know, your
political ideology. And it's scary you. I read that, and
I think to myself, Man, I'm walking through New York
a fair amount at times, I am wearing something that
might have a Puerto Rican flag on it, or I
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am someone who you know has a beard and gives
off some sort of ethnicity. What if one of these
guys decided that they were going to enact one of
their crimes against me and I'm just walking around the
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city living my life. Or how disgusting that is to
think they're gonna give candy dresses Santa Claus poison as
candy dresses Santa Claus to children, And again it kind
of just speaks to this weird dystopian society that we're
in and how the polarization of politics and the win
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by any means possible approach.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
That many politicians have is leading.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Towards a really just I mean, I wouldn't even say
leading were there a scary place. And this is what's
been kind of I guess weighing on me is like
it's you are you know what's wrong. You want to
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stand up against it and fight for what's right, but
this ship weighs you down. When you read these stories,
you can't if you have a heart, you can't help
but be affected by them. I haven't even been as
like politically involved or invested as I've been in years
past because it's taken a toll on me. Truthfully, it's
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it's taken a toll on me and and not and obviously,
you know, part of it is like the social media
aspect of like the free for all that is the
comment section. But just being hyper aware of all of
the news took a toll on me, right, Being being
informed took a negative toll on me right, And.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Obviously like this is the work of those in the.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Powers that be that don't want change and want to
continue to just spew hate. They want us to be
exhausted and to you know, feel feared to back or
to speak out against them, or to just be so
way down by it all that we we sort of
were just like, you know what, I'm gonna take a
back seat to this. Obviously that that's what they want.
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But also it's hard not to just sort of be like,
fuck it, I'm gonna worry about my own life and
my immediate family and keep it pushing because this shit
is is too much. It'd be very easy for me
to kind of fall into that trap. And at times
I want to write so yeah, I don't, I don't know.
I think just like you read these stories and all
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that's been going on, and it's just like, man, I'm
tired I'm tired, guys. I really, I'm really am I'm
really tired like of a lot of these discussions, and
like I'm definitely like I don't want to say a
shied away, but it's like, fuck, man, it's hard. It's
hard to sit down and like I'm reading articles and
I'm prepping to like come on the podcast, and I'm
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just like, dude, I'm I'm too tired. I don't want
to talk about this right now because it's mentally text
me already. But then it's like if I don't talk
about it, then these people just run free doing bullshit
and hate right. So it's like it's a double edged sword,
and yeah, that that's that's all I have on those
those topics there.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
We're gonna do like a.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Hard turn and just lighten it up a little bit
because we fucking need it. We'll talk about romance and
Latin men, but we'll first take a quick break and
then we'll be right back, all right, So lightning lightning
things up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Here. There's an article from We Army.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Two entitled do Latino men need to step their game up?
Some Latinas say that the mamitas and lack of romanticism
is real now.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
This is I think, based off of a viral TikTok video.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That I guess has been getting piggybacked on the same
topic when the article they reference and they say, Latinos
on social media is picking out against some Latino men
they encountered in the dating world and they're not holding back.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
If you date a Latino man before, you may have received.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Stas, passenger, princess treatment, the works. However, if you didn't
receive these things, then you may agree with many women
sounding off on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
The consensus is clear.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Many Latinas believe Latino men have lost their romanticism of
past generations.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
While we hear stories of our abuela.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Writing a letter to our abuela every single day to
win her over, maybe even singing some sort of serenade,
Latino men today are becoming lazy when it comes to courtship,
and that's a question our today's Latino men becoming lazy
when it comes to courtship. They say, of course, this
may be a problem much larger than our culture, and
maybe all men need to us step it up. Okay,
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I'm not I don't disagree completely here, and I think
I think to their point, this is probably a larger conversation.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I think it's just Latin men.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
But I know, I guess like the stereotype is like
Latin men are like romantic and like will sweep you
off your feet almost right, So I'm not like offended
by that. But uh, you know, you know it's funny.
I was talking about overcorrections whenever I read these things,
and I'm gonna give my take.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I have to like brace myself because.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Like the comment section is in my head of me
being called a misogynist, and like, you know, like I'm
not supposed I'm not allowed to have an opinion about
topics like that involve men and women or specifically that
involve women, even if it's directed at men.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
But but fuck that anyway. That's just a little inside
baseball is to.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
What runs through my head is like collect my thoughts
on these things, and actually I want I will what
I will say? Also what's ironic to me in that
same conversation, And I already picture p being like, oh,
you're just lashing out because people are critiquing men, and
like that's an easy take for you to have. That's
that's that's the surface level right off everything I'm saying
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rather than actually having to think critically. So if that's you,
I'm sure write me off. But I think it's it
is interesting that it's like toxic masculinity if a man
says he wants a woman to have some more traditional values.
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But it's completely fine in this context when it's a
woman saying she wants a man to be more like
how her grandfather was, like a classic sort of stereotypical
romantic man. Right, But if I say I want you
to be more like how my grandmother was, you know,
theoretically this isn't necessarily how I feel, but like I'm
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not expecting this, but theoretically, like you know, a waiting
hand and foot on the on the mail that I'm
a misogynt and it's toxic macellina. I just think it's
an interesting ironic thing, like I'm not and that's not really.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
The relationship that I want to get into.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Like, yes, I do want traditional values, but also I
like love the idea of my girl, like hustling and
doing her thing and having a fulfilled career and all
the things I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I don't expect life to revolve from me.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But with that said, I think I think this from
a male I'm giving my perspective, right, my toxic perspective.
I'm actually gonna do this far ask a good ango
segment and here are different people's perspectives, right, man and
woman hopefully, But from my perspective on this, I think
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I consider myself to be a very romantic guy. But
I'm also incredibly turned off I think by the norm
the norm of a of the modern single woman and
her mentality because there is, you know, a lot of
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rhetoric about what a man is supposed to do, and
a man is like, you know, the idea of like
you know, they take the idea of provider and then
make it mean you have to pay their rent even
though they have a job, right and you're supposed to
like take care of all their bills for no reason whatsoever.
And they don't even like know how to maintain a
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home or something right like. And I'm not saying again,
I'm not saying that that's a woman's only rule, but
relationships are give and take. If I'm a stay at
home dad and my girl is is out there, you know,
making the money for the household when she comes home, Yeah,
the expectations should be like I'm probably cooking, I'm maintaining
the home, and like, so I'm doing my part in
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the relationship, right, it's vice versa. But I'm just talking
in insensive traditions here, right, stereotypical gender roles in a
heterosexual relationship. But I think for me, as like a dude,
I want to be romantic. I want to pull out
all the stops and and all these different things. But
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there's a real fear first and foremost of a lot
of women will in like the social media gossipy era,
be like, oh that sounds so thirsty, right, or it's
the expectation of it all.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I think too. It kind of turns me off a bit,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And it's like, you know, the idea of like what
is a good first date and all this ants like, dude,
the goal of a first date is to get to
know one another, and it really it's it's like the
you know, pre interview process almost. I mean shit, you
can call it an interview if you want to. Even
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we'll skip the pre interview process to go with the interview.
It's the first to really see, if you guys even
click right. And for me, this is a big of
a lot of different like conversations I've had.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I'm trying to contextualize it for.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Me, Like I've had this argument with like female friends,
and women would be like, oh, I'm not showing up
on the date unless he meets X, Y and Z
requirement of like restaurant this and that, and like my
female friend would be like, dude, but you know how
much like a girl puts into getting her hair done
and her nails and all that type of stuff. It's
expensive blah blah blah, and like, yeah, I don't doubt that,
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but like, as a guy, you think I'm not putting
in the any any effort. I'm gonna get a fresh haircut,
I'm gonna make sure I have a good outfit. I'm
gonna wash my car and do all that stuff. And
you know, chances are it's on me to plan the
date or whatever. So I'm gonna do some research and
do those things, or I'm the one pursuing the woman.
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So it's like it's it's both of us are putting
forth after and the idea that the man it just
shows up, and it's like that's just not a real thing, right,
unless it's like you're just a real fucking like pos
type of dude. You don't give a shit and you
are just low effort for anything. I mean, that's on
you if you're a woman and you're going you're choosing
to go out with a guy like that. But I
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think a dude who's genuine looking for a relationship, who's
a good guy, has a shit together, which is the
only dude that you probably should be interacting with. He's
putting an effort to make to try and give off
the best first impression as well.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And for me, I'm not going to also go out
of my way to be overly.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Romantic if I don't know the person, because I think
romance is also a very sort of personal thing. But
to be perfectly honest and to be really blunt as
a as a single dude dating a lot of women
I've met are now worth being romantic towards you know,
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And and I'm not going to rub some people the
wrong way, but it's it's it's a reality. You a
lot of women in like in you're a gomanxplaining a
lot of uh, what I've recognized is a lot of
women adapt that mentality right. The overcorrection of I'm the prize.
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Me just showing up, you should be honored. And for me,
as somebody who values myself my own self worth and
doesn't need to be with somebody, I don't fuck with
that energy whatsoever, because I'm not just happy to have
you sitting in front of me, right if you are
(31:47):
a fucking if you're stuck up or a boring conversation,
or you're not putting forth much effort, trust me, I
would rather be at home on the couch with my
dog watching TV. I work all the time. I would
love to not have to be out and about doing
something for no reason whatsoever. Rights that's my mindset. So
(32:10):
I immediately do not subscribe to that idea that I'm like,
I'm lucky that you're even there. Nah, we're both lucky
that both of us are putting forth effort, right, especially
if we're both people of quality. But that doesn't but
like one more valuable than the other. I don't subscribe
to that. I really don't, And I think you know
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that is part of of what holds me back is
a lot of the modern attitude about dating. And I'll listen,
I don't take away from the fact that there have
been a lot of shitty dudes out there who have
mistreated women and created this very toxic narrative that many
women subscribe to now.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Just as like a defense mechanism. Right, I don't I
don't take away from that.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
But the answer to like, the answer to like violence
is not more violence, basically, right. So the answer to
being to like a shitty person or shitty mistreatment is
not that out shitty the other you know gender essentially right,
And I think that is where we're like why modern
dating is so rough? Right, Because let's be honest here,
both sides complain about modern dating, and often the ones
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that we hear about allow our women. So neither one
of us are doing it right. Right, You got you
your attitude that you currently have the modern general consensus
of a lot of single women of a of a
certain generation. Obviously that's not working for you either, because
you're still single and bitter, just like men are single
(33:34):
and bitter, right, So, so obviously either fucking norm is
not working out for either of us. Now, beyond that,
I do think there is some truth here. I do
think that we I think a lot of us are
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products of the idea.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
That like.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You get you know you a lot that the idea
of relationships aren't work. I think that's probably the general
start of it, all, right, And I think a lot
of times what happens is we sort of as with anything.
I think, even jobs like this is just normal mentality.
(34:25):
We forget about maintenance, ongoing maintenance to sustain a quality
of life almoless, right, And I think the same thing
happens in relationships where maybe at the beginning you put
forth all the effort and you get the girl or whatever,
and then you kind of put it in an autopilot
because I think we haven't normalized the conversation around the
idea that you have to keep you know, dating your
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significant other. You have to keep the spark alive somehow,
you have to keep maintaining the relationship and fixing things
as they go wrong and adjusting to changes and whatever
it might be, and just can continue prioritizing that person. Right,
It's not a one and done type of thing. Once
you get them, that's it. And I think that's probably
part of what's missing. And I also just think, man,
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you know, it's a weird. It's a weird sort of
dating culture as well.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I think.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I think we've normalized. I don't think we've normalized just
a lot of nonsense. I think I think a lot
of people also aren't clear on what they want, so
they end up hanging out with the wrong do I
think a lot of people also just fixated on bullshit.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's just it's a lot of a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Of different things. And I don't even know if I
got to my own point on this or or whatever
it might be. But you know what's interesting to me,
I think a lot of times I think as I know,
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and this is a real thing. I think I think
as men me oftentimes feel unappreciated. And again I'm not asking,
you know, don't pull out your tiny vio violins and
like it's not what was me. But I'm thinking back
right now. I know for sure in my younger years,
I was like a hopeless romantic from start to finish.
(36:23):
I like the girl I was pulling out all the stops.
I was like, you know, saying sweet and kind things.
And I had my heart broken a lot doing that.
I was disappointed a lot. I had women just fucking
ghost me doing that. And when I flipped the switch
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on my head and became more of an asshole, and
more of a fuck boy.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I got more girls, I had girls chasing me.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
You know, I had all the female attention that I
had ever wanted because I adopted an asshole mentality. So yeah,
maybe men are not being as romantic anymore. But also
maybe that's the result of us not seeing romance working.
(37:16):
And again that's not to teach thrown. Some guys are
just assholes. But I think for me, as somebody who's
wanted to do things the right way, being a romantic
didn't get me the results I wanted.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Being an asshole did.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
And that speaks to the psychology of what women are
looking for, what they accept, what they think is valuable,
and what they don't right, and what they appreciate. And
I think that is also what's not being spoken about,
and I think people are lacking the self awareness to
recognize that. And I think also when we talk about
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previous generations, you didn't have social media where everything moved
so quickly, where now in today's day and age, you have,
you know, very limited opportunities to kind of like make
an impression on somebody, or even when you do, a
girl's dms are flooded with potential suitors, and it creates
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a lot of noise, and maybe they don't get to
know you as well, or maybe they want to live
a certain lifestyle because social media has dictated it, and
you don't check certain boxes, they're not going to give
you a chance to be romantic, right. And I'm giving
you from like I'm giving from the dude's perspective or whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I just think there's a.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Lot more nuanced to what's going on in today's day
and age. And I think a lot of this shit
that we've normalized, like we've normalized bad behavior, shitty behavior,
accepting less than what you deserve. And I think it's
why dating culture is toxic and fuck then nobody knows
what to do right, And I think that's part of
the conversation that people are are sort of missing from
a man's perspective, honestly, from like a good dude. Genuinely,
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I consider myself to be a good dude. I'm somebody
who I love myself. I have boundaries, I'm doing the
work on myself, right, and.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I'm you know, I think I have a lot to
offer somebody.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
But because I have a lot to offer somebody, I'm
also going to only meet you own to meet you halfway.
I value myself right, and I think maybe maybe that's
not the norm. I don't know, but I do know
that I think I think as a good dude. I've
been burned a lot by going above and beyond. And
(39:29):
I imagine, judging by like what the conversations are happening,
a lot of men probably have been as well, and
they've done their own little like private case studies and
seeing Hey, when I'm like a douchebag and and you know,
participating in fuck boy, you know, uh games, I'm gett
My dms are fucking flooded, I'm my text messages are
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you know, popping. And when I'm actually being a nice
guy and I'm trying to like, you know, a wool woman,
my shit's dry as hell. So I'm just gonna be
the asshole, right. And by the way, even like somebody
ironically somebody posted like a meme, I'll end on this
because I just think it was a great example. Somebody
posted a meme and it was like, POV, your guy
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just texted you. A guy you're talking to you just
text you like, good morning, beautiful, And it's a woman
like rolling her eyes.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
That's romance.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
But y'all have been programmed to write it off, to
view it as corny, to view it as like simping
as they as the kids say, Right, and that's why
romance is dead. Because if your reaction to me being
romance romantic is calling me is thinking I'm corny and
rolling your eyes to it, why the fuck would I
continue that behavior?
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
If I'm getting better results from you by taking five
hours to text you back or falling off the face
of the earth for weeks at a time, why would
I text you every day or ask you how your
day was doing, or send you fly Your actions are
dictating to me that you don't want somebody going above
and beyond. I think that's that's the real conversation that
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I think is the bigger conversations and maybe why romance
is dead, dying.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Blah blah blah. I don't know. That's just me. We'll
hear from you on our Asking Gingo segment, but.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
First we will touch on some positive stuff and army
hent this segment regarding the Emmys. But first we'll take
a quick break and then we'll be right back. All right,
(41:44):
So Emmy nominations happened, and latinas are out here holding
it down.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I want to make sure we celebrate them. I'm looking here.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Sophia Dagata made Emmy's history as the first Latino nominated
for Lead Actress in a Limited Series for her role
in Griselda, which I absolutely loved.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That show, so big shots to her.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Just just a talented woman who deserves so many more
flowers and is way more talented than I think people
give her credit for.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
She's so much more than just being a beautiful woman.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Also from the show The Bear, you had Liza Cologne
Bayez getting nominated for Best Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series.
She plays Tina Marrero, who is a cook chef in
the show The Bear, which absolutely love. She crushed the show.
So I had like a dope episode of this year
this season that was just like her backstory, which was
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really cool to kind of see. You also had Nava
Mao who is nominated for Best Supporting Actress in a
Limited or Anthology Series Movie. She played Terry in Baby Reindeer,
which was a crazy fucking show. And then as far
as Latino's go, we had a few in this as well.
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I'm gonna read a couple of different ones hip Latino,
by the way, is Latina is who I'm getting this from.
Selena Gomez nominated for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
For her role in Only Murders in the Building.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
You had Isa Lopez Best Writing for a Limited or
Anthology Series or Movie for True Detective Night Country, which
I didn't even know they made another one of those.
I kind of tuned out after the one with Colin Farrell,
which is kind of a bust. And then here you
had the men holding down here Nester car Bonel Best
(43:34):
Guest Actor in a Drama Series, playing Vasco Rodriguez in
the show Showgun. So we out here right now holding it,
holding it down, and yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
It's like, it's all right, it's entertainment. It's Hollywood. Who cares?
Who cares?
Speaker 2 (43:48):
But listen, man, you gotta celebrate greatness in people's percent
in their industry. I think again, this type of stuff,
these these actors and actresses as an artist in general, are
paving the way for the future generations of just like
acceptance and normalization of seeing you know, brown faces on
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television in prominent.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Roles in television shows, which is good for all of us.
At the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Now, with that said, let me get y'all's take on
one of the topics that we talked about today in
our ask An Getting Goos segment. Ask question all right,
so this was the obvious hot button topic Latin men
and romance. I did a couple a couple of different
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kind of perspectives from this one. The women were a
little bit more outspoken, obviously, I asked our men lacking romance?
I asked on my Instagram at DJ dramas, are men
lacking in romance? Because I want to open this up
not just Latin, but are men lacking in romance? And
also for women like do you even really want a
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romantic man? And then I posed for men, are you
a romantic or do you hold back?
Speaker 1 (45:05):
And why?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
So let this question here, the first one aimed at women.
Are men lacking a romance even really want a romantic man?
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
So I got a bunch of responses. Let's see act
it's kat Lasso said.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yes. The questionnaire here is how are we defining romance?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Bare minimum? Isn't romance? And I respect that. I think
I think that I think that's actually fair, right.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I think I think the bar is is incredibly low.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Right, to be fair, I know I have my own
rant before, but I think that's a great point because
I remember I went on like a date, like you know,
a while back, and I opened the car door for
her to get in, like I got you know, I
made it a point to do that, and she was
like taken aback by by that action, as if it
was like, you know, the most I don't know, just
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like the most romantic thing anybody's ever done for her.
And I think to this point, yes, it's a nice
thing that I like to try to do, but I
think it's the bare minimum, right, And to be fair,
I have to check myself and be like, hey, you're
not fucking like I don't know who who's I'm not
Ryan Gosling over here building a house for a woman
(46:22):
or something, right, or taking her on a boat ride
to see the geese or whatever it was, just because
I'm opening a car door for her, right, So that
that's a fair point, I.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Think, I think.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Right there, let's see, Jade says she had to she
had to hit the d MS for the long answer,
and when she said, are men lacking a romance?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Do you want a man who's romantic? Also no interesting? Okay,
here's the deal. This is Jade's words, by the way,
here's the deal. I think what people think of as
romance romance is a nostalgic, idealized version of something we
are not going to even be able to in the
current state of the world. What I mean by that
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is often the priorities of both men and women today
is literally rooted in survival, at least in terms of
Maslow's hierarchy of need status, and it often leaves room
for people to perceive that the lack of over extension
of quote romantic gestures and effort that mom, Dad, Grandpa
and Grandpa's generation put in is due to a lack
(47:24):
of care. As a woman peeking around the corner at
Project twenty twenty five, like I am I going to
be in The Handmade's Tale Season ten, quote romance is
so far down the list of my priorities that said,
thoughtfulness and care go a long way. So I think
the real conversation behind that question should be more about
is the effort my partner is contributing showing me love
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and affection in a way that feels like romance. In
twenty twenty four. I don't want flowers as a romantic gesture.
I literally buy them for myself whenever I'm in Trader Joe's.
I want the quote acts of service that show me
you went out of your way to do something for me,
because your prioritize respect and love me in a romantic way.
That makes me different from all those others out there.
I think we are all figuring out that that looks
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different again in the state of the world.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
But if we're tuned.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
In're in tune, consistent and reciprocating, that energy aligns for
others to see it and be quote romantic in a
new kind of way.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Now, Jade said a lot there, but she hit on Jade.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
To be doing this episode not me, because she actually
articulated something that I completely left out of that of
thought process that I actually do.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Genuinely believe in and agree with.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
And the point being we're prioritizing and glorifying the wrong
things because like a lot of the conversation right around
like first dates, it's like, oh, well, is it a
nice restaurant?
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Is he doing these things?
Speaker 2 (48:52):
And what I've always argued is any man with the
credit card can take you to a nice restaurant. Right,
I can google hotspots in New York City and make
a reservation and drop a few hundred dollars on dinner
and wine and dine you in that way.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
But is that really romantic? Right? Is that really me
going out of my way?
Speaker 2 (49:15):
I mean, quite honestly, if I have money, that's the
bare minimum, right, Because if I have money, I don't
give a fuck about dropping that. If I think it's
going to impress you, that's a very superficial care. But
to Jade's point, acts of service, right, is this person
going out of their way? And I think that is
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what is sort of missed because we live in a
generation where everything is performative and also everything is being
compared to what you see on social media.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
So we look on social.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Media, we see our friends, we see random people we follow,
and you know, they're fucking walking on beds of roses
and they're on.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
You know, being swept away to romantic places and blah
blah blah blah blah, and we're like, oh, that's romance.
Or you hear you know your dad he wooed me.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
I said no to him, and he just kept showing
up in my front door or by my window, singing
to me every day until I went out on a
date with him.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
In twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Four, a woman would call me a creep first and
then call the police if I showed up at her
window trying to convince her to go on a date
with me. She would block me if I would text
it her, you know, or showed up or get texted
her every day like Hey, would.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
You want to go out with me? I know you bah?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Like literally, these are the same women that tell men
take a hint, so you can't have it both ways.
And to Jade's point, what really matters is is this
person going out of their way to be a part
of my life and to add value to my life. Right,
And this has been my frustration in the past. Right
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And I'm not saying I'm like perfect or I'm fucking
like you know, have done no wrongs in relationships. But
I know for me, how I have shown somebody that
I care about them and that they are on a
pedestal for me, and that I treat them above and
beyond anybody else in my life, you know, is the
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acts of service, but also time spent and the way
that I prioritize them because quite frankly, I have a
really busy life, and I think we all do in
today's day and age, where it's difficult and we're all
working our ass off, and like we're all chasing you know,
more of a work life balance and all these different things, right,
you know, we're we all have so much going on
and so many different opportunities to be spending time doing
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just about anything, and we never have enough.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Time for ourselves and never have enough time for the
ones we love. So for me, there's nothing roal romantic than.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Making somebody a priority by saying like I'm going to
fit you in wherever I can, right, I want to
prioritize you and make you a thing in my life
and make you a part of my life even though
I have so much on my plate, because you're that
special to me, I need you to be a part
of my life. Right, So yeah, I want.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
To, like, you know, have us get dressed up and
go do a fancy date night.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
I get how there's something to that and there's value
to it, but I think we're lacking in the value
we add to somebody doing everything they can to fit
you into their life. I feel like I sound redundant,
like I guess, like for me, there are a lot
of days where it's like, you know, like yesterday, from
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the moment I woke up till the moment I went
to bed, I was working on something and woke up
today with still a long to do list and a
never ending one. So theoretically, Monday to Sunday, from when
I wake up to when I go to bed, my
entire schedule could be completely blocked out doing something. But
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if I care for somebody, and I don't do this
for everybody, but for somebody I care about, I'm going
to say, hey, you know what. I know this is
on my to do list, but I actually could probably
do that tomorrow. I want to go to lunch with
this person, or I want to grab dinner, or I
just want to meet them for a drink or a coffee.
I want to just fit them into my day somehow, someway.
And yeah, I understand that that's not going to like
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be this thing that looks great on Instagram for you
to post or something your friends are going to be
impressed by. But somebody who if you know the person,
you know how busy are and how much they have
going on, You know what that means, you know, the
sacrifice that they're making.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
So that's real romance and vice versa.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
By the way, because I've dated women who are super busy,
very career oriented, and when I see them saying like, man,
I've had a crazy fucking week. It's jam packed, but
you know what, I should probably be like sleeping, but
I really want to see you, like, you know, Friday night.
You know, I we're not going to meet up to
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like you know whatever later or whatever, but maybe we
could like just grab a drink or something that was
just like would you want to just low key just
go for a walk or do whatever, just so we
can see each other for a little bit. That's romantic
to me. That's that's like real right there. Everything else
is just noise and nonsense. I think, to Jade's point,
that's a part we've been like we're idle, idealizing something
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that really doesn't exist. I think life was a lot
simpler for previous generations, and not to take away from
how beautiful those moments are, but I just think we
have far more chaotic lives. There's a lot of other
shit going on. Most of us are far more overworked
and exhausted and anxious and depressed than previous generations.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
And I think the you know, we we we we
need to.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Sort of have a I don't want to say more realistic,
but like, stop thinking in terms of what's going to
look good on social media or what's gonna impress my
friends when I tell them, you know what Jimmy did,
and start actually looking at what's real effort looked like.
Because again, flowers, candy, fancy dinners, that's minimal effort. If
I have money to spend that, WHAT'SO a couple hundred
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dollars on a night to me?
Speaker 1 (55:10):
It really who cares?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Honestly, because I can tell you as a guy, I've
spent a couple hundred dollars on a date for a
woman that when I was in my fuckball days, that
fuck boy days, that I just want to sleep with.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
So that didn't mean anything to me.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
I knew if I took her to a nice restaurant
and we had a lot of fun together, she'd be
more inclined to want to go home.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
With me if she was attracted to me.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Right, That's what I was putting myself in the best
position to sleep with a woman that.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
I found to be attractive. That's not much effort.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Now, a woman that I really liked, I'm going above
and beyond to make her a part of my life
in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Right, I'm I'm you know whatever. If I'm working in.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
The vicinity of where she lives, I'm making a point
to say, listen, I know it's gonna be late, I know,
but I would love to just drive by and just
like give you a hug on my way home or whatever.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
That's fucking romance. That's me. That's real effort, right, I would.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Love to just drive by and sit on the porch
with you for thirty minutes and just talk about your day.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
I know we're both busy and it's late and blah blah.
That's real. That's me being romantic. But again, that's not
the type of shit that.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
We deem, you know, cool or romantic in today's generation,
because it's all social media shit. Shout out to Jade
for that one and last thing, because I went super
long on that one. Shout out to the homie brand,
Brenda brand brand, Jay Life Coaching. She asked her husband,
and her husband said he was more romantic when he
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had more money, So finances lol, And I think, you know,
that's obviously a misconception as well. I think we have
again to the point we're making what is really romantic.
We think it's like these grand gestures, but oftentimes it's
just seeing the person, what do they need or how
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can I make them feel a part of my life?
And that's that's romance right there. I think that's sort
of maybe where where men are lacking and what our
idea of romance. And even me, when I was reading
that article, I wasn't even looking at it from this perspective,
right because my mind automatically goes to the classic you know,
romantic high fucking uh like not high end, but grandiose
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date first date type of thing.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
But I think, yeah, I think romance for what it
really means.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
If you really want to feel special on somebody to
appreciate you, it doesn't have to be some grandiose thing
that looks good on Instagram. Like the most romantic things
are oftentimes the most personal, intimate and on the surface
don't look like much.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
And I think that's something to the mind.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Shouts everybody that participated in that one at DJ Dramos
for want to be a part of these conversations with that, say,
let's hire everything we talked about today in a neat
little boat in a segment we call conclusion.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Still time for com.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
All right, quickly going to go through this because Naklai,
I'm sweating in my studio. I have to turn the
air conditioner off to record these episodes, and I'm dying
and I feel like I was just like screaming, so
now I'm like out of breath and it's just humid
as all hell in here.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Trump.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
You know, attempted assassination is a dark day for a country,
regardless of where you stand politically.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
But I think the reactions to it. I think what
I touched on.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
With the neo Nazi that has been indicted on potentially
trying to plot a mass attack in New York, what
we've seen in place like Nashville, the neo Nazis marching in.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
The streets openly.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
What's been happening on social media, on platforms like x
where hate speech is running rampant.
Speaker 1 (58:58):
I think it's more examples of like this just still.
Speaker 2 (59:01):
Be in reality that so many people in this country
are living in so many people who are unhappy and
don't have an outlet for it are succumbing to a
lot of really dark things and it's just a heavy
place that you know, we're in right now is a
country society, and I mean, just be safe out there
and mindful of your surroundings. And I know all that's happening, And.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
I wish I had like a good way to turn
that around and give you a positive answer. But you know,
be mindful of people in your life and you know
what they might need, and don't give up on the
fight of trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
I guess at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
And then this topic of Latin men and romance, I
think men in general and romance, I feel like we
solved it.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
You know, romance isn't dead.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
We just have to get off of this toxic, fairy
tale view of romance that we are expecting, which oftentimes
is just the influence of.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
Like social media, you and our friend groups.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Then you had latinas and Latino in the Emmy nominations again,
amazing representation is amazing. And then to see people thriving
from our community and being celebrated for their art, their craft,
it only helps all of us out. So amazing stuff.
And yeah, that's it. With that said, try to enjoy
your weekend, make you know, get off of social media.
That was one of the healthiest things I did, was
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just like stop checking it for a couple of days.
You know, I didn't necessarily have to watch the news
for a couple of days and give myself a mental break.
Just go and enjoy yourself and the ones that you
love and I'll catch you on Tuesday with a brand
new episode. So then stay safe, we'll talk soon. Life
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Let me talk about talk. Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
He said, you live in life as a ringle, where
you question where you fit in every time you mingle,
they say.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You do this would not.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yes, Hello and welcome to another episode of Life as
a Gringo. I am dramos, of course, and it's Thursday,
so I mean it's time for our Thursday Trends episode
flying solo on Today's show. And yeah, I mean it's
gonna be a weird one. I'm gonna be I'll be frank,
I'll be completely you know, honest about you know.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It's it's a weird episode.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
We're gonna talk about obviously, uh, Donald Trump's assassination attempt.
And regardless of where you fall on the political spectrum,
if you will, it's a dark time period in our country.
(01:05):
There's no way around that. And I'll touch on this,
you know, more as we get into it. But like,
I can't help but just like I took a couple
of days from like really being on social media just
because it.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Was, like, man, it's dark. It's a dark time.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Period and it's exhausting to even talk about this stuff
and think about it, you know, but we do have
to address it. So I'll touch on that also, I
guess piggybacking off of that, just have you shit, there
was an alleged neo Nazi that was trying to plot
a mass attack in New York.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
We'll touch on that.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
On a lighter side of things, we'll touch on how apparently,
according to the ladies of TikTok, Latin men are basically
trash and we're not romantic anymore.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
So we shall discuss.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
And and then on the positive side of things, Emmy
nominations were announced and we had a lot of Latina representations,
so absolutely love that. So we will celebrate that. But
first and foremost as well as do let's just start
off with the nonsense, the heaviness, the bs. In a
segment we call for the people in the back, say
a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Of the people in the say a lot of the
people in the say a lot of the people of
all right, so I'll start with the Trump stuff. And
(02:39):
I'm not gonna, like, I'm not gonna go into great
detail about the specifics of it all.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think if you really want to dive into like
the background of the would be assassin and you know,
all the events taking place in security lapses and all
these things. There's just better platforms to break that all
down for you. The obvious is that this past weekend
live on Saturday evening, Donald Trump was at a rally
(03:08):
in Pennsylvania and a man attempted to assassinate him and
came within inches of delivering a probably deadly shot to
the head, right inevitably. Yeah, there's no way around it, right,
(03:29):
So sadly one person did die. I think two others
were injured. For the shooter was killed by law enforcement
and Trump I'm hearing conflicted things. His ear was either
grazed by the bullet or the teleprompter shattering the glass
is what actually cut his ear. Either way, he was
(03:50):
within inches of his life being over. And you know,
I've been a staunch Donald Trump, a hater if you will,
I'm not going to walk that back or anything, and
you know it's how I feel. But even with that,
(04:15):
it's not lost on me the gravity of this situation.
And I think what it says about the United States
of America currently that in twenty twenty four, a former
president and a presidential candidate currently.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Almost lost his life. And yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Like, I like I started the show with you know,
it's it's been heavy on social media and news and
all these things, just because I think also for me
what I I really wanted to touch on.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
It's like the finger pointing that begins to happen, right.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
And I don't think that there is any excuse whatsoever
for violence.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Ever, I don't think.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That there is any reasoning behind, you know that, like
for this to potentially have happened, other than the fact
that this person was not mentally in a good place,
in a stable place, and very obviously you should not
have had access to a weapon. But I think it's
(05:38):
you know, and maybe it's too soon to I mean,
I want to say, it's the conversations happening. I think
what's frustrating is now the further division that begins to
happen and kind of like the revision is history that
is happening now because the attempted violence was against someone
(06:04):
who was Republican. And this is where I'm like, I'm
pulling my hair out almost, it feels like. And what
gets me feeling like I'm crazy because you go on
social media and you'll see the the dialogue that's happening, right,
And I like on my TikTok feed ramly Pull, you know,
(06:25):
popped up was like somebody like you see the Republican
nominee was almost assassinated and no Republicans were out in
the street rioting and burning things down and it, you know,
and it was like, did you guys forget what happened
January sixth at the Capitol when your candidate lost. You
(06:50):
guys literally attacked the government building and we're threatening the
lives of sitting members of the Government of Congress, assaulting
police officers and what gets you like, I don't know,
for me makes me it gets even more frustrating. You
(07:10):
look at some of the comments and it's deranged, right,
It's like people are living in their own false sense
of reality.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
You have people in those comments, you know, responding to
somebody saying do you forget about January sixth? Somebody's like
they were invited in, the doors were opened for them, dude.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
There is footage of police.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Officers being smashed between doors trying to hold people back.
Like the information is out there if you want it.
But we live in a time period where people literally
want to just live in a false reality, you know.
(07:54):
And I see like the posts about like this is.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Why words matter call.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
They call Trump hitler in a of course, somebody's going
to try to assassinate him. You know, dialogue matters when
it's being spoken about on the media and people at
large platforms. Where was that same energy when Nancy Pelosi's
husband was attacked in a politically motivated assault at their
(08:19):
home where somebody with a hammer, you know, could have
beaten this man to death. You had Republicans posting memes.
I mean Trump posted something about his Halloween costume. He
had a Paul Pelosi Halloween costume, and it was like
a pair of tidy whitei's and a hammer. They were
making jokes about political violence. And I can remember, you know,
(08:41):
around the time of COVID talking about like rhetoric matters,
you know, the then President Trump talking about the China
virus China. It was like, yeah, of course we saw
hate crimes against Asian Americans going up, or the rhetoric
around you know, immigrants right now, and of course we're
(09:03):
seeing like immigrants being targeted. But again that's doesn't that's
not real, it doesn't matter. I remember having people saying, oh, well,
you know, these are adults, they shouldn't be influenced by anybody,
regardless of their following. And now it's a complete one
eighty and a revisionist history. And again I'm not condoning
(09:25):
this or lessening the moment that happened.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
But it's hard. But I think what like what it really.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Began to point out to me, it's like, man, people
are really living in their own false reality. And obviously
you know it by some of the things you hear,
the rhetoric you hear, but it's it's really scary. And
maybe I've been reading too much about like AI and
(09:55):
just the idea of like men in general. There's like
stuff Bud He's being done and showcasing that like men
in general are becoming increasingly more depressed and angry and
violent or taking their own lives at high rates.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
And there's sort of.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
This you know, really dark norm that's happening, this sort
of anti man rhetoric, if you will, over correction kind
of happening where a lot of men, particularly younger generations,
(10:35):
are angrier and anger and lonelier and lonelier than ever.
And I'm not trying to go like Andrew Tate on
this either, where it's like you know, superior man and
alpha male and all this bullshit. But I think, as
with anything, you know, everything is nuanced. The truth lies
somewhere in the middle. And I think we've done an
amazing job at women's rights and progressing the power that
(10:59):
women have have in their lives in this country, in
the workplace, and in every aspect of it. But I
do think at times, as with anything, what starts out
as good ends up having a bit of an overcorrection.
And I've noticed this rhetoric around, you know, in conversation
with some of sort of my more I guess feminist
leaning female friends.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
And.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Their sort of norm is women's empowerment at the sort
of detriment of men at holmost, right, And I'm kind
(11:47):
of getting in a weird off topic thing, but I guess,
you know, I'm to tie it all together to a degree.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
The shooter was like a young man, right, and.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
As most mess shooters are, right, most acts of violence
and things like that. And yeah, I just think it's
an interesting time period and I'm not like you know,
and these again are nuanced conversations. They're tough to have
because the immediate sort of response to me, as a
(12:18):
man saying this, it's like, well, you're a guy. Of
course you're you know, you're a heterosexual assistander male. Of
course you're going to be, you know, threatened by the
idea that men aren't as you know, running things anymore.
And that's not what I'm I'm I'm speaking of at all.
Like I think, you know, I believe that we can
have women's empowerment, but we also don't have to tear
(12:40):
down the other side, because I think we we then
just keep like the pendrum just keeps violently swinging right
in either direction, and we never get to a place
of like peace and balance, which is the.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Goal, right.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
I think whenever you have progression at the expense of
another group of people, it never ends well, right, one
side's going to become resentful and then and decide that
like was once persecuted, ends up becoming the persecutor, right,
if that makes sense. And I'm just like flushing out.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
Thoughts here that are that are kind of coming up
in general. But I think.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Sort of what I was getting at with with that,
I've been listening to this podcast in particularly, I can't
really Guy's name. I'll try to think of it. At
some point I want to get them on the podcast,
but he had some really interesting points about the sort
of loneliness that a lot of men are experiencing.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
And the.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Anger, and how a lot of men are like turning
it to isolation almost and how technology you know, things
like porn and you know VR and you know.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Really just like.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
These acts of loneliness and lack of human interaction, right,
and men not you know, it's something like one in
three men can't name a best friend. Like different statistics
you hear, like that that are sort of that's creating
like this epidemic of just like really angry, violent and lonely,
sad depressed men, right, And there's been a lot of
(14:12):
studies and correlations between sort of these acts of violence,
these mass shootings and things like that. And yeah, and
and that sort of again ties to me when I
look at a lot of the commentary politically, people really
are living living in their own sort of dystopian false reality.
(14:33):
And social media obviously plays a gigantic role in that
because of the algorithms and what it feeds us. Right,
if we want to see outlandish conspiracy theories, you know,
twenty four hours a day, the algorithm is going to
happily feed that to us, Right, and it begins to
wrap our brain away, and another thing was being brought
up like in that that kind of what I'm referencing.
(14:56):
It talks about how like young men are far more
in to believe conspiracy theories than women. And it's sort
of it's like people who are really going through it
trying to find sense of it, all, right, a reason
why they feel shitty, right, They're trying to find an
(15:17):
explanation as to why their life isn't what they hoped
it would be. And that's why people like Andrew Tate
have been able to capitalize on that, right, like this
whole red Pill movement and this idea of like the
alpha male and selling you on this you know, disgusting
narrative of the mistreatment of women and being ultra tough
and all like, you know, it's people are hurting. There's
(15:42):
a lot of people really just I don't know, fucked up,
and I think, for lack of a better you know phrasing,
which I think we all are, to a degree, but
they're turning to really tragic means of trying to fill
that void, I guess, is what I'm talking about. And
this person who attempted to assassinate the president is one
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of them.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
The people who are.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Blindly following false rhetoric are are also a part of that.
And then even you know, segueing into kind of the
next story, derise in white supremacy and how outland like
not outlanded, but it is outlandish, but like how bold
they've become that they don't even feel the need to
(16:29):
hide it anymore.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Right, there was this a story in.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
Tennessee where you had white supremacists like neo Nazis marching
proudly in the street. And then this story here where
you had in a legend neo Nazi being accused of
plotting a mass attack in New York. So, a federal
grand jury in New York City has handed down an
indictment charging in a legend neo Nazi leader with plotting
a deadly attack on Jews and racial minorities. On Tuesday,
(16:55):
the Justice Department announced their twenty one year old Georgian
named Georgian national named Miklai. His name, last name is crazy.
It's like to its villiers. Sorry, Miklais is as far
as I've gotten here, had allegedly tried to recruit people
to commit hate crimes and a mash casualty attack in Brooklyn.
(17:17):
Authorities say he was known as quote Commander Butcher that's cute,
and led a white supremacist group called the Maniac Murder Colts.
This guy was running a white supremacist group that called
themselves the Maniac Murder Cult. One of the schemes that
(17:37):
he is accused of plotting involved having someone dressed up
as Santa Claus and give out poisoned laced candy to
racial minorities and children at Jewish schools in Brooklyn. And
the article goes on to say, combined with a resurgence
of racist hate speech on x and other social media platforms,
(17:58):
and they mentioned the march in Nashville, these indictments, they say,
point towards a spike in unabashed racism and again further
proof that rhetoric matters and that you can't ignore it
(18:19):
just because it's not in line with, you know, your
political ideology. And it's scary you. I read that, and
I think to myself, Man, I'm walking through New York
a fair amount at times, I am wearing something that
might have a Puerto Rican flag on it, or I
(18:42):
am someone who you know has a beard and gives
off some sort of ethnicity. What if one of these
guys decided that they were going to enact one of
their crimes against me and I'm just walking around the
(19:02):
city living my life. Or how disgusting that is to
think they're gonna give candy dresses Santa Claus poison as
candy dresses Santa Claus to children, And again it kind
of just speaks to this weird dystopian society that we're
in and how the polarization of politics and the win
(19:29):
by any means possible approach.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
That many politicians have is leading.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Towards a really just I mean, I wouldn't even say
leading were there a scary place. And this is what's
been kind of I guess weighing on me is like
it's you are you know what's wrong. You want to
(19:58):
stand up against it and fight for what's right, but
this ship weighs you down. When you read these stories,
you can't if you have a heart, you can't help
but be affected by them. I haven't even been as
like politically involved or invested as I've been in years
past because it's taken a toll on me. Truthfully, it's
(20:23):
it's taken a toll on me and and not and obviously,
you know, part of it is like the social media
aspect of like the free for all that is the
comment section. But just being hyper aware of all of
the news took a toll on me, right, Being being
informed took a negative toll on me right, And.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Obviously like this is the work of those in the.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Powers that be that don't want change and want to
continue to just spew hate. They want us to be
exhausted and to you know, feel feared to back or
to speak out against them, or to just be so
way down by it all that we we sort of
were just like, you know what, I'm gonna take a
back seat to this. Obviously that that's what they want.
(21:14):
But also it's hard not to just sort of be like,
fuck it, I'm gonna worry about my own life and
my immediate family and keep it pushing because this shit
is is too much. It'd be very easy for me
to kind of fall into that trap. And at times
I want to write so yeah, I don't, I don't know.
I think just like you read these stories and all
(21:36):
that's been going on, and it's just like, man, I'm
tired I'm tired, guys. I really, I'm really am I'm
really tired like of a lot of these discussions, and
like I'm definitely like I don't want to say a
shied away, but it's like, fuck, man, it's hard. It's
hard to sit down and like I'm reading articles and
I'm prepping to like come on the podcast, and I'm
(21:56):
just like, dude, I'm I'm too tired. I don't want
to talk about this right now because it's mentally text
me already. But then it's like if I don't talk
about it, then these people just run free doing bullshit
and hate right. So it's like it's a double edged sword,
and yeah, that that's that's all I have on those
those topics there.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
We're gonna do like a.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Hard turn and just lighten it up a little bit
because we fucking need it. We'll talk about romance and
Latin men, but we'll first take a quick break and
then we'll be right back, all right, So lightning lightning
things up a little bit.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Here. There's an article from We Army.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Two entitled do Latino men need to step their game up?
Some Latinas say that the mamitas and lack of romanticism
is real now.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
This is I think, based off of a viral TikTok video.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That I guess has been getting piggybacked on the same
topic when the article they reference and they say, Latinos
on social media is picking out against some Latino men
they encountered in the dating world and they're not holding back.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
If you date a Latino man before, you may have received.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Stas, passenger, princess treatment, the works. However, if you didn't
receive these things, then you may agree with many women
sounding off on TikTok.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
The consensus is clear.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Many Latinas believe Latino men have lost their romanticism of
past generations.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
While we hear stories of our abuela.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Writing a letter to our abuela every single day to
win her over, maybe even singing some sort of serenade,
Latino men today are becoming lazy when it comes to courtship,
and that's a question our today's Latino men becoming lazy
when it comes to courtship. They say, of course, this
may be a problem much larger than our culture, and
maybe all men need to us step it up. Okay,
(23:59):
I'm not I don't disagree completely here, and I think
I think to their point, this is probably a larger conversation.
Speaker 1 (24:05):
I think it's just Latin men.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
But I know, I guess like the stereotype is like
Latin men are like romantic and like will sweep you
off your feet almost right, So I'm not like offended
by that. But uh, you know, you know it's funny.
I was talking about overcorrections whenever I read these things,
and I'm gonna give my take.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I have to like brace myself because.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Like the comment section is in my head of me
being called a misogynist, and like, you know, like I'm
not supposed I'm not allowed to have an opinion about
topics like that involve men and women or specifically that
involve women, even if it's directed at men.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
But but fuck that anyway. That's just a little inside
baseball is to.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
What runs through my head is like collect my thoughts
on these things, and actually I want I will what
I will say? Also what's ironic to me in that
same conversation, And I already picture p being like, oh,
you're just lashing out because people are critiquing men, and
like that's an easy take for you to have. That's
that's that's the surface level right off everything I'm saying
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rather than actually having to think critically. So if that's you,
I'm sure write me off. But I think it's it
is interesting that it's like toxic masculinity if a man
says he wants a woman to have some more traditional values.
(25:30):
But it's completely fine in this context when it's a
woman saying she wants a man to be more like
how her grandfather was, like a classic sort of stereotypical
romantic man. Right, But if I say I want you
to be more like how my grandmother was, you know,
theoretically this isn't necessarily how I feel, but like I'm
(25:53):
not expecting this, but theoretically, like you know, a waiting
hand and foot on the on the mail that I'm
a misogynt and it's toxic macellina. I just think it's
an interesting ironic thing, like I'm not and that's not really.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
The relationship that I want to get into.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Like, yes, I do want traditional values, but also I
like love the idea of my girl, like hustling and
doing her thing and having a fulfilled career and all
the things I don't.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I don't expect life to revolve from me.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
But with that said, I think I think this from
a male I'm giving my perspective, right, my toxic perspective.
I'm actually gonna do this far ask a good ango
segment and here are different people's perspectives, right, man and
woman hopefully, But from my perspective on this, I think
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I consider myself to be a very romantic guy. But
I'm also incredibly turned off I think by the norm
the norm of a of the modern single woman and
her mentality because there is, you know, a lot of
(27:04):
rhetoric about what a man is supposed to do, and
a man is like, you know, the idea of like
you know, they take the idea of provider and then
make it mean you have to pay their rent even
though they have a job, right and you're supposed to
like take care of all their bills for no reason whatsoever.
And they don't even like know how to maintain a
(27:25):
home or something right like. And I'm not saying again,
I'm not saying that that's a woman's only rule, but
relationships are give and take. If I'm a stay at
home dad and my girl is is out there, you know,
making the money for the household when she comes home, Yeah,
the expectations should be like I'm probably cooking, I'm maintaining
the home, and like, so I'm doing my part in
(27:46):
the relationship, right, it's vice versa. But I'm just talking
in insensive traditions here, right, stereotypical gender roles in a
heterosexual relationship. But I think for me, as like a dude,
I want to be romantic. I want to pull out
all the stops and and all these different things. But
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there's a real fear first and foremost of a lot
of women will in like the social media gossipy era,
be like, oh that sounds so thirsty, right, or it's
the expectation of it all.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
I think too. It kind of turns me off a bit,
you know.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
And it's like, you know, the idea of like what
is a good first date and all this ants like, dude,
the goal of a first date is to get to
know one another, and it really it's it's like the
you know, pre interview process almost. I mean shit, you
can call it an interview if you want to. Even
(28:50):
we'll skip the pre interview process to go with the interview.
It's the first to really see, if you guys even
click right. And for me, this is a big of
a lot of different like conversations I've had.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
I'm trying to contextualize it for.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Me, Like I've had this argument with like female friends,
and women would be like, oh, I'm not showing up
on the date unless he meets X, Y and Z
requirement of like restaurant this and that, and like my
female friend would be like, dude, but you know how
much like a girl puts into getting her hair done
and her nails and all that type of stuff. It's
expensive blah blah blah, and like, yeah, I don't doubt that,
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but like, as a guy, you think I'm not putting
in the any any effort. I'm gonna get a fresh haircut,
I'm gonna make sure I have a good outfit. I'm
gonna wash my car and do all that stuff. And
you know, chances are it's on me to plan the
date or whatever. So I'm gonna do some research and
do those things, or I'm the one pursuing the woman.
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So it's like it's it's both of us are putting
forth after and the idea that the man it just
shows up, and it's like that's just not a real thing, right,
unless it's like you're just a real fucking like pos
type of dude. You don't give a shit and you
are just low effort for anything. I mean, that's on
you if you're a woman and you're going you're choosing
to go out with a guy like that. But I
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think a dude who's genuine looking for a relationship, who's
a good guy, has a shit together, which is the
only dude that you probably should be interacting with. He's
putting an effort to make to try and give off
the best first impression as well.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
And for me, I'm not going to also go out
of my way to be overly.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Romantic if I don't know the person, because I think
romance is also a very sort of personal thing. But
to be perfectly honest and to be really blunt as
a as a single dude dating a lot of women
I've met are now worth being romantic towards you know,
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And and I'm not going to rub some people the
wrong way, but it's it's it's a reality. You a
lot of women in like in you're a gomanxplaining a
lot of uh, what I've recognized is a lot of
women adapt that mentality right. The overcorrection of I'm the prize.
(31:24):
Me just showing up, you should be honored. And for me,
as somebody who values myself my own self worth and
doesn't need to be with somebody, I don't fuck with
that energy whatsoever, because I'm not just happy to have
you sitting in front of me, right if you are
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a fucking if you're stuck up or a boring conversation,
or you're not putting forth much effort, trust me, I
would rather be at home on the couch with my
dog watching TV. I work all the time. I would
love to not have to be out and about doing
something for no reason whatsoever. Rights that's my mindset. So
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I immediately do not subscribe to that idea that I'm like,
I'm lucky that you're even there. Nah, we're both lucky
that both of us are putting forth effort, right, especially
if we're both people of quality. But that doesn't but
like one more valuable than the other. I don't subscribe
to that. I really don't, And I think you know
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that is part of of what holds me back is
a lot of the modern attitude about dating. And I'll listen,
I don't take away from the fact that there have
been a lot of shitty dudes out there who have
mistreated women and created this very toxic narrative that many
women subscribe to now.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Just as like a defense mechanism. Right, I don't I
don't take away from that.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
But the answer to like, the answer to like violence
is not more violence, basically, right. So the answer to
being to like a shitty person or shitty mistreatment is
not that out shitty the other you know gender essentially right,
And I think that is where we're like why modern
dating is so rough? Right, Because let's be honest here,
both sides complain about modern dating, and often the ones
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that we hear about allow our women. So neither one
of us are doing it right. Right, You got you
your attitude that you currently have the modern general consensus
of a lot of single women of a of a
certain generation. Obviously that's not working for you either, because
you're still single and bitter, just like men are single
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and bitter, right, So, so obviously either fucking norm is
not working out for either of us. Now, beyond that,
I do think there is some truth here. I do
think that we I think a lot of us are
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products of the idea.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
That like.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
You get you know you a lot that the idea
of relationships aren't work. I think that's probably the general
start of it, all, right, And I think a lot
of times what happens is we sort of as with anything.
I think, even jobs like this is just normal mentality.
(34:25):
We forget about maintenance, ongoing maintenance to sustain a quality
of life almoless, right, And I think the same thing
happens in relationships where maybe at the beginning you put
forth all the effort and you get the girl or whatever,
and then you kind of put it in an autopilot
because I think we haven't normalized the conversation around the
idea that you have to keep you know, dating your
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significant other. You have to keep the spark alive somehow,
you have to keep maintaining the relationship and fixing things
as they go wrong and adjusting to changes and whatever
it might be, and just can continue prioritizing that person. Right,
It's not a one and done type of thing. Once
you get them, that's it. And I think that's probably
part of what's missing. And I also just think, man,
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you know, it's a weird. It's a weird sort of
dating culture as well.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
I think.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
I think we've normalized. I don't think we've normalized just
a lot of nonsense. I think I think a lot
of people also aren't clear on what they want, so
they end up hanging out with the wrong do I
think a lot of people also just fixated on bullshit.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
It's just it's a lot of a lot.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Of different things. And I don't even know if I
got to my own point on this or or whatever
it might be. But you know what's interesting to me,
I think a lot of times I think as I know,
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and this is a real thing. I think I think
as men me oftentimes feel unappreciated. And again I'm not asking,
you know, don't pull out your tiny vio violins and
like it's not what was me. But I'm thinking back
right now. I know for sure in my younger years,
I was like a hopeless romantic from start to finish.
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I like the girl I was pulling out all the stops.
I was like, you know, saying sweet and kind things.
And I had my heart broken a lot doing that.
I was disappointed a lot. I had women just fucking
ghost me doing that. And when I flipped the switch
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on my head and became more of an asshole, and
more of a fuck boy.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I got more girls, I had girls chasing me.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
You know, I had all the female attention that I
had ever wanted because I adopted an asshole mentality. So yeah,
maybe men are not being as romantic anymore. But also
maybe that's the result of us not seeing romance working.
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And again that's not to teach thrown. Some guys are
just assholes. But I think for me, as somebody who's
wanted to do things the right way, being a romantic
didn't get me the results I wanted.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Being an asshole did.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
And that speaks to the psychology of what women are
looking for, what they accept, what they think is valuable,
and what they don't right, and what they appreciate. And
I think that is also what's not being spoken about,
and I think people are lacking the self awareness to
recognize that. And I think also when we talk about
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previous generations, you didn't have social media where everything moved
so quickly, where now in today's day and age, you have,
you know, very limited opportunities to kind of like make
an impression on somebody, or even when you do, a
girl's dms are flooded with potential suitors, and it creates
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a lot of noise, and maybe they don't get to
know you as well, or maybe they want to live
a certain lifestyle because social media has dictated it, and
you don't check certain boxes, they're not going to give
you a chance to be romantic, right. And I'm giving
you from like I'm giving from the dude's perspective or whatever.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I just think there's a.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Lot more nuanced to what's going on in today's day
and age. And I think a lot of this shit
that we've normalized, like we've normalized bad behavior, shitty behavior,
accepting less than what you deserve. And I think it's
why dating culture is toxic and fuck then nobody knows
what to do right, And I think that's part of
the conversation that people are are sort of missing from
a man's perspective, honestly, from like a good dude. Genuinely,
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I consider myself to be a good dude. I'm somebody
who I love myself. I have boundaries, I'm doing the
work on myself, right, and.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I'm you know, I think I have a lot to
offer somebody.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
But because I have a lot to offer somebody, I'm
also going to only meet you own to meet you halfway.
I value myself right, and I think maybe maybe that's
not the norm. I don't know, but I do know
that I think I think as a good dude. I've
been burned a lot by going above and beyond. And
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I imagine, judging by like what the conversations are happening,
a lot of men probably have been as well, and
they've done their own little like private case studies and
seeing Hey, when I'm like a douchebag and and you know,
participating in fuck boy, you know, uh games, I'm gett
My dms are fucking flooded, I'm my text messages are
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you know, popping. And when I'm actually being a nice
guy and I'm trying to like, you know, a wool woman,
my shit's dry as hell. So I'm just gonna be
the asshole, right. And by the way, even like somebody
ironically somebody posted like a meme, I'll end on this
because I just think it was a great example. Somebody
posted a meme and it was like, POV, your guy
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just texted you. A guy you're talking to you just
text you like, good morning, beautiful, And it's a woman
like rolling her eyes.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
That's romance.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
But y'all have been programmed to write it off, to
view it as corny, to view it as like simping
as they as the kids say, Right, and that's why
romance is dead. Because if your reaction to me being
romance romantic is calling me is thinking I'm corny and
rolling your eyes to it, why the fuck would I
continue that behavior?
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Right?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
If I'm getting better results from you by taking five
hours to text you back or falling off the face
of the earth for weeks at a time, why would
I text you every day or ask you how your
day was doing, or send you fly Your actions are
dictating to me that you don't want somebody going above
and beyond. I think that's that's the real conversation that
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I think is the bigger conversations and maybe why romance
is dead, dying.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
Blah blah blah. I don't know. That's just me. We'll
hear from you on our Asking Gingo segment, but.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
First we will touch on some positive stuff and army
hent this segment regarding the Emmys. But first we'll take
a quick break and then we'll be right back. All right,
(41:44):
So Emmy nominations happened, and latinas are out here holding
it down.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
I want to make sure we celebrate them. I'm looking here.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Sophia Dagata made Emmy's history as the first Latino nominated
for Lead Actress in a Limited Series for her role
in Griselda, which I absolutely loved.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That show, so big shots to her.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Just just a talented woman who deserves so many more
flowers and is way more talented than I think people
give her credit for.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
She's so much more than just being a beautiful woman.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
Also from the show The Bear, you had Liza Cologne
Bayez getting nominated for Best Supporting Actress in a Comedy Series.
She plays Tina Marrero, who is a cook chef in
the show The Bear, which absolutely love. She crushed the show.
So I had like a dope episode of this year
this season that was just like her backstory, which was
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really cool to kind of see. You also had Nava
Mao who is nominated for Best Supporting Actress in a
Limited or Anthology Series Movie. She played Terry in Baby Reindeer,
which was a crazy fucking show. And then as far
as Latino's go, we had a few in this as well.
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I'm gonna read a couple of different ones hip Latino,
by the way, is Latina is who I'm getting this from.
Selena Gomez nominated for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Comedy Series.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
For her role in Only Murders in the Building.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
You had Isa Lopez Best Writing for a Limited or
Anthology Series or Movie for True Detective Night Country, which
I didn't even know they made another one of those.
I kind of tuned out after the one with Colin Farrell,
which is kind of a bust. And then here you
had the men holding down here Nester car Bonel Best
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Guest Actor in a Drama Series, playing Vasco Rodriguez in
the show Showgun. So we out here right now holding it,
holding it down, and yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
It's like, it's all right, it's entertainment. It's Hollywood. Who cares?
Who cares?
Speaker 2 (43:48):
But listen, man, you gotta celebrate greatness in people's percent
in their industry. I think again, this type of stuff,
these these actors and actresses as an artist in general, are
paving the way for the future generations of just like
acceptance and normalization of seeing you know, brown faces on
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television in prominent.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
Roles in television shows, which is good for all of us.
At the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Now, with that said, let me get y'all's take on
one of the topics that we talked about today in
our ask An Getting Goos segment. Ask question all right,
so this was the obvious hot button topic Latin men
and romance. I did a couple a couple of different
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kind of perspectives from this one. The women were a
little bit more outspoken, obviously, I asked our men lacking romance?
I asked on my Instagram at DJ dramas, are men
lacking in romance? Because I want to open this up
not just Latin, but are men lacking in romance? And
also for women like do you even really want a
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romantic man? And then I posed for men, are you
a romantic or do you hold back?
Speaker 1 (45:05):
And why?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
So let this question here, the first one aimed at women.
Are men lacking a romance even really want a romantic man?
Speaker 1 (45:15):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (45:16):
So I got a bunch of responses. Let's see act
it's kat Lasso said.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yes. The questionnaire here is how are we defining romance?
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Bare minimum? Isn't romance? And I respect that. I think
I think that I think that's actually fair, right.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I think I think the bar is is incredibly low.
Speaker 2 (45:38):
Right, to be fair, I know I have my own
rant before, but I think that's a great point because
I remember I went on like a date, like you know,
a while back, and I opened the car door for
her to get in, like I got you know, I
made it a point to do that, and she was
like taken aback by by that action, as if it
was like, you know, the most I don't know, just
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like the most romantic thing anybody's ever done for her.
And I think to this point, yes, it's a nice
thing that I like to try to do, but I
think it's the bare minimum, right, And to be fair,
I have to check myself and be like, hey, you're
not fucking like I don't know who who's I'm not
Ryan Gosling over here building a house for a woman
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or something, right, or taking her on a boat ride
to see the geese or whatever it was, just because
I'm opening a car door for her, right, So that
that's a fair point, I.
Speaker 1 (46:31):
Think, I think.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Right there, let's see, Jade says she had to she
had to hit the d MS for the long answer,
and when she said, are men lacking a romance?
Speaker 1 (46:41):
No?
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Do you want a man who's romantic? Also no interesting? Okay,
here's the deal. This is Jade's words, by the way,
here's the deal. I think what people think of as
romance romance is a nostalgic, idealized version of something we
are not going to even be able to in the
current state of the world. What I mean by that
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is often the priorities of both men and women today
is literally rooted in survival, at least in terms of
Maslow's hierarchy of need status, and it often leaves room
for people to perceive that the lack of over extension
of quote romantic gestures and effort that mom, Dad, Grandpa
and Grandpa's generation put in is due to a lack
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of care. As a woman peeking around the corner at
Project twenty twenty five, like I am I going to
be in The Handmade's Tale Season ten, quote romance is
so far down the list of my priorities that said,
thoughtfulness and care go a long way. So I think
the real conversation behind that question should be more about
is the effort my partner is contributing showing me love
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and affection in a way that feels like romance. In
twenty twenty four. I don't want flowers as a romantic gesture.
I literally buy them for myself whenever I'm in Trader Joe's.
I want the quote acts of service that show me
you went out of your way to do something for me,
because your prioritize respect and love me in a romantic way.
That makes me different from all those others out there.
I think we are all figuring out that that looks
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different again in the state of the world.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
But if we're tuned.
Speaker 2 (48:09):
In're in tune, consistent and reciprocating, that energy aligns for
others to see it and be quote romantic in a
new kind of way.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
Now, Jade said a lot there, but she hit on Jade.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
To be doing this episode not me, because she actually
articulated something that I completely left out of that of
thought process that I actually do.
Speaker 1 (48:32):
Genuinely believe in and agree with.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
And the point being we're prioritizing and glorifying the wrong
things because like a lot of the conversation right around
like first dates, it's like, oh, well, is it a
nice restaurant?
Speaker 1 (48:51):
Is he doing these things?
Speaker 2 (48:52):
And what I've always argued is any man with the
credit card can take you to a nice restaurant. Right,
I can google hotspots in New York City and make
a reservation and drop a few hundred dollars on dinner
and wine and dine you in that way.
Speaker 1 (49:10):
But is that really romantic? Right? Is that really me
going out of my way?
Speaker 2 (49:15):
I mean, quite honestly, if I have money, that's the
bare minimum, right, Because if I have money, I don't
give a fuck about dropping that. If I think it's
going to impress you, that's a very superficial care. But
to Jade's point, acts of service, right, is this person
going out of their way? And I think that is
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what is sort of missed because we live in a
generation where everything is performative and also everything is being
compared to what you see on social media.
Speaker 1 (49:45):
So we look on social.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Media, we see our friends, we see random people we follow,
and you know, they're fucking walking on beds of roses
and they're on.
Speaker 1 (49:55):
You know, being swept away to romantic places and blah
blah blah blah blah, and we're like, oh, that's romance.
Or you hear you know your dad he wooed me.
Speaker 2 (50:03):
I said no to him, and he just kept showing
up in my front door or by my window, singing
to me every day until I went out on a
date with him.
Speaker 1 (50:11):
In twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
Four, a woman would call me a creep first and
then call the police if I showed up at her
window trying to convince her to go on a date
with me. She would block me if I would text
it her, you know, or showed up or get texted
her every day like Hey, would.
Speaker 1 (50:25):
You want to go out with me? I know you bah?
Speaker 2 (50:27):
Like literally, these are the same women that tell men
take a hint, so you can't have it both ways.
And to Jade's point, what really matters is is this
person going out of their way to be a part
of my life and to add value to my life. Right,
And this has been my frustration in the past. Right
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And I'm not saying I'm like perfect or I'm fucking
like you know, have done no wrongs in relationships. But
I know for me, how I have shown somebody that
I care about them and that they are on a
pedestal for me, and that I treat them above and
beyond anybody else in my life, you know, is the
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acts of service, but also time spent and the way
that I prioritize them because quite frankly, I have a
really busy life, and I think we all do in
today's day and age, where it's difficult and we're all
working our ass off, and like we're all chasing you know,
more of a work life balance and all these different things, right,
you know, we're we all have so much going on
and so many different opportunities to be spending time doing
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just about anything, and we never have enough.
Speaker 1 (51:34):
Time for ourselves and never have enough time for the
ones we love. So for me, there's nothing roal romantic than.
Speaker 2 (51:42):
Making somebody a priority by saying like I'm going to
fit you in wherever I can, right, I want to
prioritize you and make you a thing in my life
and make you a part of my life even though
I have so much on my plate, because you're that
special to me, I need you to be a part
of my life. Right, So yeah, I want.
Speaker 1 (52:03):
To, like, you know, have us get dressed up and
go do a fancy date night.
Speaker 2 (52:07):
I get how there's something to that and there's value
to it, but I think we're lacking in the value
we add to somebody doing everything they can to fit
you into their life. I feel like I sound redundant,
like I guess, like for me, there are a lot
of days where it's like, you know, like yesterday, from
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the moment I woke up till the moment I went
to bed, I was working on something and woke up
today with still a long to do list and a
never ending one. So theoretically, Monday to Sunday, from when
I wake up to when I go to bed, my
entire schedule could be completely blocked out doing something. But
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if I care for somebody, and I don't do this
for everybody, but for somebody I care about, I'm going
to say, hey, you know what. I know this is
on my to do list, but I actually could probably
do that tomorrow. I want to go to lunch with
this person, or I want to grab dinner, or I
just want to meet them for a drink or a coffee.
I want to just fit them into my day somehow, someway.
And yeah, I understand that that's not going to like
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be this thing that looks great on Instagram for you
to post or something your friends are going to be
impressed by. But somebody who if you know the person,
you know how busy are and how much they have
going on, You know what that means, you know, the
sacrifice that they're making.
Speaker 1 (53:34):
So that's real romance and vice versa.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
By the way, because I've dated women who are super busy,
very career oriented, and when I see them saying like, man,
I've had a crazy fucking week. It's jam packed, but
you know what, I should probably be like sleeping, but
I really want to see you, like, you know, Friday night.
You know, I we're not going to meet up to
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like you know whatever later or whatever, but maybe we
could like just grab a drink or something that was
just like would you want to just low key just
go for a walk or do whatever, just so we
can see each other for a little bit. That's romantic
to me. That's that's like real right there. Everything else
is just noise and nonsense. I think, to Jade's point,
that's a part we've been like we're idle, idealizing something
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that really doesn't exist. I think life was a lot
simpler for previous generations, and not to take away from
how beautiful those moments are, but I just think we
have far more chaotic lives. There's a lot of other
shit going on. Most of us are far more overworked
and exhausted and anxious and depressed than previous generations.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
And I think the you know, we we we we
need to.
Speaker 2 (54:46):
Sort of have a I don't want to say more realistic,
but like, stop thinking in terms of what's going to
look good on social media or what's gonna impress my
friends when I tell them, you know what Jimmy did,
and start actually looking at what's real effort looked like.
Because again, flowers, candy, fancy dinners, that's minimal effort. If
I have money to spend that, WHAT'SO a couple hundred
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dollars on a night to me?
Speaker 1 (55:10):
It really who cares?
Speaker 2 (55:12):
Honestly, because I can tell you as a guy, I've
spent a couple hundred dollars on a date for a
woman that when I was in my fuckball days, that
fuck boy days, that I just want to sleep with.
Speaker 1 (55:23):
So that didn't mean anything to me.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
I knew if I took her to a nice restaurant
and we had a lot of fun together, she'd be
more inclined to want to go home.
Speaker 1 (55:32):
With me if she was attracted to me.
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Right, That's what I was putting myself in the best
position to sleep with a woman that.
Speaker 1 (55:39):
I found to be attractive. That's not much effort.
Speaker 2 (55:44):
Now, a woman that I really liked, I'm going above
and beyond to make her a part of my life
in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 1 (55:54):
Right, I'm I'm you know whatever. If I'm working in.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
The vicinity of where she lives, I'm making a point
to say, listen, I know it's gonna be late, I know,
but I would love to just drive by and just
like give you a hug on my way home or whatever.
Speaker 1 (56:11):
That's fucking romance. That's me. That's real effort, right, I would.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
Love to just drive by and sit on the porch
with you for thirty minutes and just talk about your day.
Speaker 1 (56:24):
I know we're both busy and it's late and blah blah.
That's real. That's me being romantic. But again, that's not
the type of shit that.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
We deem, you know, cool or romantic in today's generation,
because it's all social media shit. Shout out to Jade
for that one and last thing, because I went super
long on that one. Shout out to the homie brand,
Brenda brand brand, Jay Life Coaching. She asked her husband,
and her husband said he was more romantic when he
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had more money, So finances lol, And I think, you know,
that's obviously a misconception as well. I think we have
again to the point we're making what is really romantic.
We think it's like these grand gestures, but oftentimes it's
just seeing the person, what do they need or how
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can I make them feel a part of my life?
And that's that's romance right there. I think that's sort
of maybe where where men are lacking and what our
idea of romance. And even me, when I was reading
that article, I wasn't even looking at it from this perspective,
right because my mind automatically goes to the classic you know,
romantic high fucking uh like not high end, but grandiose
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date first date type of thing.
Speaker 1 (57:40):
But I think, yeah, I think romance for what it
really means.
Speaker 2 (57:44):
If you really want to feel special on somebody to
appreciate you, it doesn't have to be some grandiose thing
that looks good on Instagram. Like the most romantic things
are oftentimes the most personal, intimate and on the surface
don't look like much.
Speaker 1 (57:59):
And I think that's something to the mind.
Speaker 2 (58:00):
Shouts everybody that participated in that one at DJ Dramos
for want to be a part of these conversations with that, say,
let's hire everything we talked about today in a neat
little boat in a segment we call conclusion.
Speaker 1 (58:10):
Still time for com.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
All right, quickly going to go through this because Naklai,
I'm sweating in my studio. I have to turn the
air conditioner off to record these episodes, and I'm dying
and I feel like I was just like screaming, so
now I'm like out of breath and it's just humid
as all hell in here.
Speaker 1 (58:31):
Trump.
Speaker 2 (58:32):
You know, attempted assassination is a dark day for a country,
regardless of where you stand politically.
Speaker 1 (58:37):
But I think the reactions to it. I think what
I touched on.
Speaker 2 (58:41):
With the neo Nazi that has been indicted on potentially
trying to plot a mass attack in New York, what
we've seen in place like Nashville, the neo Nazis marching in.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
The streets openly.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
What's been happening on social media, on platforms like x
where hate speech is running rampant.
Speaker 1 (58:58):
I think it's more examples of like this just still.
Speaker 2 (59:01):
Be in reality that so many people in this country
are living in so many people who are unhappy and
don't have an outlet for it are succumbing to a
lot of really dark things and it's just a heavy
place that you know, we're in right now is a
country society, and I mean, just be safe out there
and mindful of your surroundings. And I know all that's happening, And.
Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (59:26):
I wish I had like a good way to turn
that around and give you a positive answer. But you know,
be mindful of people in your life and you know
what they might need, and don't give up on the
fight of trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 1 (59:40):
I guess at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (59:42):
And then this topic of Latin men and romance, I
think men in general and romance, I feel like we
solved it.
Speaker 1 (59:47):
You know, romance isn't dead.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
We just have to get off of this toxic, fairy
tale view of romance that we are expecting, which oftentimes
is just the influence of.
Speaker 1 (59:59):
Like social media, you and our friend groups.
Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
Then you had latinas and Latino in the Emmy nominations again,
amazing representation is amazing. And then to see people thriving
from our community and being celebrated for their art, their craft,
it only helps all of us out. So amazing stuff.
And yeah, that's it. With that said, try to enjoy
your weekend, make you know, get off of social media.
That was one of the healthiest things I did, was
(01:00:23):
just like stop checking it for a couple of days.
You know, I didn't necessarily have to watch the news
for a couple of days and give myself a mental break.
Just go and enjoy yourself and the ones that you
love and I'll catch you on Tuesday with a brand
new episode. So then stay safe, we'll talk soon. Life
(01:00:43):
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