October 5, 2023 • 46 mins
- This one's for the girlies who love revenge: an ode to Kill Bill
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
She's better known for the things that she does on
the mattress. Whoa, And then she changed the lyrics to
he was a moth to the flame. She was holding
the mattress whoa.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, but I like the slutshame version better.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
She's sheen a me, no mate, not my mate?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yo yoo?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
No, what is your child?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I am a shocker?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know what's going down? Before like.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Round. I saw this clip on Twitter the other day.
Sorry X no, we're not calling at that, We're going
And it was when Riverdale ended and someone was like,
I'm going to miss the show, and it was a
clip of one of the moms going up to one
(00:58):
of the other moms and being like, I heard your
daughter was getting slut shamed at school. That's what happens
when sluts get shamed, which I thought was very funny.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Riverdale is amazing, honestly, I mean just a small just
a small aside. I watched many seasons of Riverdale. I
don't know if the Virgins know this about me. I
became very obsessed. I think up until season four, right
around the time where Archie gets sent to like penitentiary
prison and like plays basketball with all of his prisonmates,
(01:31):
and I think.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
That does any gay stuff happen?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, yeah, I think that the one gay guy on
the show has like is like in a kind of
grinder relationship at this point. And I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
No, but no gay stuff happens with Archie in prison.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't think. No, not with Archie. No, not with Archie.
Well that's the thing is, like I know, maybe one
of them gets like yeah, I don't know, no, but
Archie's never gay. And when the show ended and I
haven't been keeping up, it's apparently gone.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Off off the off, the off the rails, like like
it's now just multiple universes horror fantasy, like everybody fucking everybody.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And in the final episode they revealed that the four
of them Betty Juughhead, Archie and Ica and Camilla Mendez
Ken does are We're in a quad relationship, which is
essentially a poly foursome. And that is so disrespectful, so
(02:35):
disrespectful to goad us with a polyphor way and not
show us Jughead taking it up the bum bum like sorry,
like that is rude. I needed someone.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, does it make you mad enough to want to
kill someone?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yes? Oh yeah, I forgot we're here to talk about
so anyways, once again there's an adderall shortage.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Right, don't worry. I will be your adderall.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, you'll be my adderall be on adderall.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So we are here today to talk about the two
thousand and three film Kill Bill and sequel kill Bill two,
directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman, Fox and Lucy Lou. Yes,
we recently. Well, I watched the first movie a couple
weeks ago, and then Fran and I watched part two
(03:35):
last week. And I hadn't seen Kill Bill in over
a decade.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And let me tell you, when these movies came out,
I made them my whole personality.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah. I also I had cousins that were obsessed with them,
that were like film people, and so I become obsessed
with them kind of tangentially. Yeah, I I what do
you What did you latch onto about them? Well?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I think the Well, okay, let's be real. First of all,
it's all about kill Bill one. Yeah, all of the
iconic visuals, lines, sequences are all in the first movie,
and the second movie feels like a very long coda
in many ways. There are good moments, but it's all
(04:23):
about the first movie. It's about the yellow jumpsuit. It's
about the anime scene. It's about it's about a tear
the fucking bitch apart. It's about Nikiya Niki so good.
I love that Vivica a Fox. Let's have us a
knife fight. Yeah, it's about fucking when she cuts the
(04:47):
arm off that bitch. It's about the band in the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Oh my god, it's about that the lucy luccene in
the boardroom. Oh yeah, the guy. Now, it's the fucking time.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's about silly coccade Asian girl likes to play with Samurai.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So yes, okay, So here's the thing. I I feel like, Okay, no,
Quentin Tarantino, But unfortunately these films are like we're are
like cinematic invention and like totally genius on the format level.
A lot of the time.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
He put his whole.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Into that, And like, we hate Quentin Tarantino, but we're
not going to deny the fact that these are good
fucking films.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, even all the lingering shots of feet. Yeah, and
I think that wiggle wiggle you're big.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know that, quin No, not let me not go there.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Oh you know, oh god, he's big, big, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I I think it's lovely that the films are called
Volume one and Volume two, because obviously, in American cinema
we treat everything as like a sequel, a sequel, a sequel,
it's a reboot, and it's like no, in actuality, these
two films are one film, and I personally, when I
watch them, like, I view them as one film and
Volume two is a just as you said, like a
(06:05):
denu mat to the rest of the story, and therefore
is kind of boring it.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Honestly, like it makes me wonder should it just have
been edited in order of the kills or But because
the thing is, the end of the first film is perfect, perfect,
and the climax and the ending with Lucy Lou is
(06:32):
the way that first movie should end. But it's not
the end of the story. That's actually that's her first kill.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, so, well she kills Vivica.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
No, I think she's already killed Lucy when she kills
Vivica a fox?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
What hold on?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Let me let me pull up I think, so, let
me pull up her kills kill bill kill list. Yeah,
Oren is shee is number one, So it's Oren Vernita
bud Elle and Bill got it, so that would have Yeah,
(07:11):
you can't start the movies with her killing Oren, because
that is the most exciting part of both films.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
These are based on a comic book.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right, No, no, no, They're based on a character that Quentin
Tarantino and Uma Thurman created together because you know, they
had worked together on pulp fiction. They were great friends,
and they sort of conceptualized this idea of the bride
together and made these movies.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh, that's so cool, it's so cool. It's how films
should be made. It makes me so mad at that
Quentin Tarantino is such a piece of shit. But honestly, well, okay,
I don't want to go right into the negative. But
we already talked about how much we love these films.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So well, let's talk more about the why they gripped
us the way. Yeah they did when we were teenagers,
because I don't think I had like we've talked before
about how there were certain movies or pop culture experiences
that I had as a teenager that like opened me
up to a specific side of pop culture, and like,
you know, like I talked about how Garden State was
(08:10):
really my introduction to indie movies and like that kind
of like quieter, character driven story. And I do think
for kill Bill, this was the first time I saw
a film that was like like an outeur film, you know,
like yeah, and also something that was so referential of
(08:32):
an entire genre that I had never experienced before, which is,
you know, like westerns and Mars Samurai movies and revenge
films and martial arts movies. And it was the first
time that I understood that filmmakers like existed in conversation
with the movies that came before them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah. It was also probably the first kind of utter
film I ever saw, too, And I think that I
felt like I was inspired to be a filmmaker because
of in part Kill Bill, Wow Yeah and kill Bill,
and also like Mulan Bruge, like Baslerman honestly, but like
(09:14):
just like I just remember two maximalists Bosler you know me.
I love maximalism. And the thing that I think really
sticks to me about Kill Bill still to this day,
as we just rewatched volume two and you just watch
volume one, is that the visual language of the film
is still so strong it stands on its own. Most
(09:37):
of it is not derivative of anything. It's just like
fully his art.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Obviously, it's like I mean, it's derivative, but in a
in a way reference full of reverence. Yes, obviously he
has lots of reverence for Westerns and lots of reverence
for these kind of like Eastern like martial arts movies,
which you know, there's a whole other kind of like
nuanced problema to conversation have about that that we're not
going to have here on this podcast. But yeah, I
(10:05):
just like I was so struck by the specificity. And
I you know me, I like movies about revenge. I
like movies about women. I like movies that are violent,
and this has all of all of those things. It
has everything. It has all these hot cunty women killing
each other with swords, with swords with swords. Like there's
(10:28):
so few guns used in this movie, which is something
I really appreciate. Like obviously at the beginning there's a gun,
but like it is so like all of these ideas
about sort of like honor and revenge, and like there's
no there's no morality placed on the bride aka Beatrix
(10:51):
Kiddo for wanting her revenge, Like we we support her
and I do think, said her killing spree.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
This is at a time when there was sort of
a moralistic like view grafted onto mainstream media that we
should be watching good people do like triumph over.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Bad, especially women. Like yeah, oh like if if there's
a woman character, she's not allowed to be bad or
or a killer at all.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah. And I loved that this character was a mother
and was also like the most dangerous assassin in the world.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's so cool if only she had broken out her
southern drawl that she brings into red wine and royal. Yeah. No,
I really I love these movies. I feel like Go
Go is my gender, Like I feel like I feel
like there's something about.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
The Halloween costume for you go Go Ubari.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It would I just like any sort of hard femme,
Like there's something about the evil femme that I've always
been attracted to, whether it's like Mole the Scent, or
like Beatrix or Lucy Lou. Honestly, like these are I
don't know. I just I'm addicted to stories like that,
and it feels so basic sometimes because now we're seeing
(12:11):
this twenty twenties kind of girl bossification of villains, which
with things like I care a lot, which you very
just you and I very much so disagree about. But
like you know, the girl bossification of villains is like
a very it's like they're treating it like it's new again.
And Quan Tarantino, Quan Tarantina, what's like doing this a
long time ago? Yeah, and like doing it without I
(12:31):
mean I can't I can't say that I was aware
of the media narrative around it at the time and
like what they talked about, but there's not there doesn't
seem to be any big ideas about feminism in these films. Yeah,
it's really they are the type of violent revenge stories
that had existed for decades, just with women placed in
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the lead roles and very little conversation about that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Like there were there were not a lot of moments
in these movies where men were like devaluing or second
guessing these women because they were women, like they were
they were killers, yea, And like that was just presented
in sort of a very matter of fact way that
I think was pretty progressive for the time, but like
(13:21):
didn't maybe we didn't try to like pat itself on
the back for it.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah. And yeah, and also just like on top of
the like the effortlessness of it all that you're kind
of describing. On top of that, there's this thing that
I just tend to love in movies. It's the thing
that'll make me remember a movie is when a director
understands how fucking weird they are and they figure out
(13:47):
how to lean into it and that and that like
kill Bill, these are weird movies, like really weird movies
that do things that you are like, wait, what's happening
sometimes if you're seeing it for the first time. And
that's why, you know, I kind of loved Barbie or
loved like everything everwhere all at once, or like when
these movie when movies like this triumph, I'm always just
like I love that a weird movie got somewhere, because
(14:11):
these days, the only movies that are successful are the
ones that are following formulas like I mean, we're gonna
talk about Marvel again, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Like and kill Bill was at the time was unlike
anything that existed, and it.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Was outside of obviously Western movies and like martial arts no, but.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I mean movies that like mainstream films that were getting
not a time and it was a huge hit like
it Kill Bill dominated culture. I didn't even know that,
and it was a huge success that had a thirty
million dollar budget and the it made one hundred and
eighty million dollars at the box office, so it was
a huge hit and it was Tarantino's like biggest hit
(14:52):
at the time. And I just remember like the references
of it were everywhere because the the imagery of it
is so iconic that I think it really permeated culture
at the time, and they were like I was just
obsessed with it, Like I wanted a Samurai sword.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Obviously.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I wanted those like yellow Acex she was wearing. I
actually did recently, but did their only Zuca tigers, and
I did recently buy a pair of Oh yeah you.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Did, and now I want them to I do feel
like the movie, the Kill Bill movies did move me
to go watch every subsequent Quentin Tarantino film, and I
also watched pulp Fiction, which I thought was a little boring.
I have not seen the most recent one he did
another Western recently that I haven't seen.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, I've the only movies of his I've seen are
The Kill Bills, Pulp Fiction, and Once upon a Time
in Hollywood. I've never seen Jackie Brown. I've never seen
Reservoir Dogs.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I thought he just produced that. I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, I'm not. I can't say that. I'm like a
huge fan of him, but these movies I am a
fan of. Has he been canceled in any way?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
No? No, I mean not effectively. No. There are a
bunch of women that came forward to talk about the
ways they were maybe not treated correctly on set. But
I think the fact that like Lupita has been silent,
and that like Margaret Robbie was like weirdly defensive. She's like, no, no, no,
I love being in movies where I only have five lines.
It's like great, Like this is like so amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's like, oh yeah, because she said nothing once upon
a time.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Noting anyways, it's infuriating. But no, I don't think he's
been effectively canceled. And it's kind of wild because he
really is a textbook abuser. And if you have seen
literally any any interview with him, or if you've ever
heard Fiona Apple talk about dating him, we all know
he's a bad person.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, and he also is sorry, horrendously.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Ugly, horrendously ugly can we say that, thank you, but.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You know, he may he put his whole pussy, he
put his whole terranuzzy into at the very least kill
Bill one, like kill Bill two, Kill Bill two feels
the fact that there's two of them feels a bit masturbatory,
oh and like indulgent. And I do think and I
(17:14):
even remember as a teenager leaving the second movie, and
it might have been the first time like as a
like as like consciously as a young adult that I
experienced like the disappointment of thinking that a piece of
art was bad rather than just like I didn't like it.
(17:35):
I think I left it being like, oh, that's not
as good as it could have been, and helped me
sort of like in building my like taste when it
came to art. But yeah, I just remember like thinking
it was really like unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, we were talking about it when we were watching it.
And you know, if I'm thinking about the two of
these movies as one film, which is kind of how
I see that, I feel like only the last half
of Volume two was when I was just like, all right,
this is about as good as like the last thirty
minutes of the Lord of the Rings trilogy which I
think is extremely boring and unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
The last thirty minutes of Kilbill two is like all talking. Yes,
it's so allot Beatrix and Bill talking.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And masturbatory is exactly the word. And these are these
are the parts of the films where I'm just like, Okay,
this was like during an era of movies where they
let white men do literally anything they want with this script.
And it's like these and then the male characters will
just talk and talk and talk and talk, and there's
always just a girl like sitting there like listening for
like no reason, not saying anything. It's like, okay, Quentin Tarantino, Like,
(18:40):
these are the parts where it's just like we we
we get it, we get it, we get it. But
I still loved Volume two. Well.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
The fight with Daryl Hannah is the best part of
the movie. And when she snatches her eye out at
the end, Wow, and Daryl Hannah screaming like after she's
been pluck. Yeah, so good. And what Daryl Hannah is incredible?
She an icon, She's so hot and I her. I
(19:08):
was obsessed with her boots while we were watching the movie.
And I really need a county pair of black pointy toe.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
You were on essence, Like as soon as those boots,
I was like, yeah, I was sitting there watching the movie,
like searching the essenil rest in peace, And.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I still have not found a good pair of County
l from kill Bill boots. But you know, I will
keep looking. Who of all of the people on the
kill list, on the kill list, who would you most
want to fight or who would you be the most
(19:48):
afraid to fight.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I would be most afraid to fight Lucy Lou. I
would want to fight Bud. Yeah, he was like I
thought that when he buried her the in volume two,
Like I just vividly remember that scene as a child
in how Like it's very viscerally horrifying.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, the sound design is so really scary suffocating.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, really scary. And yeah, so him, I think is
like he has like the most deserved revenge, Like I
would love to kill also just a man, of course,
what about you?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think I would also be the most scared to
fight o Renihie just because she's sickening and she also
has the most sort of infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Around her protecting her to kill eighty eight people? Wait,
is it the crazy eighty eight the crazy idea? You
have to kill eighty eight people before.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And then who would I want to fight the most.
I'm not necessarily saying like who who I think needs
to die the most? But I would want to fight
Vernita Green Vic Fox the most because that is like,
there's a reason why that's the first fight in the movie,
because it sets the tone so perfectly.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yes, and I love And the thing that I love
about the tone throughout the film is this kind of
like blistering violence, shock, horror, high sticks and then pause, joke,
let's talk normal. It's funny that we're talking normal. We're
actually just average people. We just also kill each other sometimes.
Like it's so I just love that dissonance and the language.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, the language, and like the monologuing, the way that
people say things is so specific and like, yes, there
are some very dark stuff that happens that's intercut with
things that are very funny, like when you find out
that the nurse of the hospital has been charging men
to rape for years, but.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Then the revenge becomes so much sweeter satisfying.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Well, she when she kills both of them.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And she's like, your.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Name's Buck right, and you like to fuck right? And
then kills him it's so satisfying.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
God it is. I love revenge fantasies. Revenge fantasy should
be a mainstream genre. That is like busting the summer
box offices.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Also, without kill Bill, we would never have gotten the
pussy Wagon and the telephone music video.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh my god, I forgot.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And just for that, Tarantino deserves to have his ass.
Ha no one lick, one lick, one lick, not by me,
but by someone.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
No, no, no, He's had his ass like plenty of times.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
It's true, I am, but he's never cleaned it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
He's never cleaned it. No, I mean, Fionda Apple probably
hasn't eaten his hass. I think she loves herself a
little too much. Do you think Tarantina Apple has eaten
Tarantina's ass?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Unfortunately? Unfortunately?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I do think.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
If you were on a revenge quest, what would be
your weapon of choice?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, it's hard to not pick samurai sword. I would
think maybe two twin swords would be pretty dope.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Very like I'm playing right now has two swords. I
would love twin steel s.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, oh, silver steel for humans, got it, didn't I
didn't know that Now I know I would definitely do
twin swords, and my revenge fantasy would be against maybe
a esthetician who botched a gender firming a piece of
for me.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Sorry, I don't mean to last because it's a joke,
but it's not.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Here's the thing, Okay, let's talk about this. I have
multiple nemesy. You do multiple, and I will not be
naming them on this podcast. And because I really don't
have that many, but I have tried and true people
that if I saw them on the street, my face
would turn red. And and who are those people?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
For? You?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Can? You?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Can you think of anybody? Actually? I think we saw
one on.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well, no, I have who Oh yes, I wouldn't call
him an nemesis.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
He kind of hime.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, but no, someone else called him an nemesis. He's
not really my nemesis. That gives him a little too
much power.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Okay, okay, I had.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
An nemesis who died, but I had I've had no
part in his death.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh I don't even know who this guy is. Yeah,
well we could cut it.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
But my nemesis was oh my anyway, God. So if
I was going to go on a revenge spree, my
weapon of choice, I think i'd want to do daggers
because I did throw. I am like I don't have
good eye coordination. But on a vacationion recently, we were
playing darts and I was pretty good at it. So
(24:57):
I like daggers because you can throw them. But then
they're also for close up combat and it feels very
personal when you stab someone with a dagger.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, it does. You want to be right there seeing
their eye color, smelling their their glossier, you perfume.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I don't think I would be I don't think I
would have a gun, but I would be very skilled
in martial arts.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I would love to be martial artist. I would also
love a bow and arrow.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
What about a crossbow?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, I would want a bow an arrow, I would
I would want my full like Catnus Legols fantasy. I
think crossbow is too militant.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Oh maybe I'll have an axe.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I don't want anything that resembles give me. Oh, an
axe would be.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
What would your okay so Beatrix Kiddo the bride, her
iconic look is the yellow track suit. What would your
iconic revenge fantasy look?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Bem, do you have an answer for this? I'm thinking
Schiparelli he had to toe gold armor SCHEPERELLI yeah, I
think it's got I think it's got to be black leather,
like classic black leather, a really cunty boot, like a
(26:15):
long braid hanging down, because you know, you can't be
fighting with your hair in your face. Yeah, it's got
to be giving. Mortal Kombat, it's got to give. It
be giving like street fodder, Frighter, it's got to be giving.
Finish them, yeah, yeah, them, you know, finish them, them,
Finish they them, finish Zezer.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Finish folks. Would you feel comfortable with civilians dying in
the line of fire in your quest for vengeance?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
If it was my fault, that would be pretty I would.
I would probably have a existential crisis in okay. But
but but if it was someone else's fault, I don't
think I would. I would really hold on to that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Would you kill someone whose child was upstairs, like the
to Bernita Green, and then would you tell the child
that they could come seek vengeance from you?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I thought that was very fair and balanced of her.
And you know, just like, listen, if you're still mad
about this, you can come find mommy.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
If you're still pressed, if you're so salty and.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Can come, well, tell your mommy.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And you know, Quentin Tarantino always said that he wanted
to make a sequel years in the future, but I
feel like recently he said something that like that's probably
never gonna happen, really, which is such a Bummercuse.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, Vivica's daughter like for volume three and volume four.
That means it's an entirely new protagonist. And then Uma
Thurman gets to be the big bad like that's fucking sick.
That would be so oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And then and then we could have Uma Thurman's daughter
get all grown up.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know we cast India and everything,
but Zindia would be would be so good and oh
my god, wait wait wait total aside. Yes, I was
supposed to talk about this and chit chat I did
see The Greatest Showman. We need to talk about this
in our next chit chat virgins. Don't worry, we'll talk
about it. No no, no, not a full episode. But
(28:10):
I have to tell you you loved it, No, I
I love I thought that it was a near perfect,
perfectly constructed film that is not really for me, that
had excellent music and brilliant twists, and was well acted.
It's just not really for me, but the music is
(28:32):
so good. Anyways, I bring this up, right, I bring
this up because in a future episode we'll talk about
my many takeaways. But the biggest one of the one
of the bigger takeaways that I took away was was
first and foremost, Zendaia needs to be in a good movie,
and she needs to be in a good musical. Like
(28:57):
Greatest Showman is great, but it's not a good musical
or a good movie for Zendaea.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Kill Bill three the musical, That's what I'm saying, Kill
Bell three the musical, Gil three the Musical Star but
it's not directed by Quentin Taranty.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
No, no, no, Well that's that. That's the other problem
is that those movies couldn't be made because he would
have his reckoning immediately.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah yeah yeah, Kill Bill three the Musical directed by
Karen Kusama.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
He I feel like Quentin Tarantino high key made a
whole ass other film that no one talked about. It
was another Western that no one talked about. Wasn't it
called like the Hateful Eight? It was after Django and Chained,
Like when did Hateful Eight come out? I don't know,
That's what I'm saying I think he's like fully making
movies that no one talks about.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Entry like Inglorious Bastards.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yes, that was actually really funny.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, I thought that was like a successful Quentin Tarantino
project because he's not trying to write for black people,
which is like really hard. It's hard to hear the
script sometimes on some of these other movies.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
The thing that sucks about Quentin Tarantino is obviously he's
like probably a bad person. And you know, I'm not
the kind of person who like measures my the things
I like or alters the things I like based on
other people who like them. But the worst men in
the world love Quentin Tarantino, yep, and so and that
(30:19):
is I don't like the intersection.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I don't like being among the worst men I know.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So that's why I'm glad that of his movies, the
ones I love are the girly ones, you know. And
I'm sure that all the fucking horrible dudes out there
who love Tarantino don't love Kill Bill.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Well, they probably like pulp fiction more, yeah, like which
is sorry, a kind of boring movie, But they probably
love reservoir dogs. The masturbatory man talking thing that is
all pulp fiction, like talk doc talk talk talk talk talk.
Oh my god. I mean it's funny because a lot
of times, like the things that I love about Tarantino
are also the things that I hate, because it is
(30:59):
kind of lovely that at this time, like movies had
looser reins and could be much longer, and dialogue could
be longer because people's attention deafit sits and attention spans
hadn't been like mortally, I don't know, wounded wounded by
iPhones and the internet. But anyways, Quentin Tarantino haven't comeback.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm just kidding. Just if Quentin Tarantino came out as trans.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, then I'm plugged in Mama, like move over which house?
This is a new tour we women, oh one hundred percent.
But the thing is, it has to be a trans name,
and therefore, what if it's just Tina, Well, like Quentin Tarantina.
Tarantina is really funny. Well, I was thinking of Q names,
(31:46):
and I'm thinking about just like trans names in general,
and how if he sorry, if she is trans, then
she has to for her name pick a Greek goddess,
a planet or an herb three joins or no, or
a literary character or a literary character. So her name
(32:08):
could be Quarrel, professor Quarrel, her ce names, her name
could be, her name could be are there any other Quendola?
There are no planets? Or Greek god, Queen Queen, Queen
(32:33):
Queen Tarantina. Well, okay, do you want to hear something hilarious?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Is so?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I obviously like my If you don't know my dead
name by now, you should be able to figure it
out by my social media handle. I have been thinking
about trying to figure out how to change my socially
social media handled to Frans Skuishka. I would never because
it's actually just two on the nose and two gimmicky.
But like he should be, she should be named.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Fuck.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I give miss Gendering Quina Gwendola Tarantina.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Gwendola.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Gwendola's really funny. Gwendola Tarantina is actually her new name.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Do you have a foot fetish?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
No, I don't have a foot fetish, but I will
absolutely suck a clean foot if it's in my face,
I will, and I will do it without being asked.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You do you like having your toes suck.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Oh yeah, sometimes it's a little too, it's a little
less sexual and a little more ticklish. But I'm never
gonna say no, what about you? This is a really
great prompt.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
But I don't have a foot fetish. But I do
have sort of a go to move, which is that
if I'm like laying down and someone is between my legs,
so to speak, doing something, I will almost oh and
if this person has a dick, I will almost always
(34:22):
reach my foot down, if not both feet to sort
of dig in. Give a foot job. Give either with
one foot sort of teasingly, or both feet and press
them together and create a little channel.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I've definitely given the suggestion of a foot job before,
but it but the feet, definitely. I think that feet
should be insects. And I think that if you are
deterred by feet or just body parts in general, like
I mean, just wash it, Just wash the foot and
eat it.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I just sometimes feel insecure about my feet because I
get I get callouses.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well, my foot are tore up, Mama, I'm having foot issues.
I have like bunyans, I have calluses, and because of
all the foot where I use their.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Scars, you gotta wiggle your big toe.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I got to wiggle my big toe. No, I have
to get one of those like full foot masts that
like like we're fish like eat off the top three
like layers of my skin.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That is terrifying to me. Do you think I could
do it?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Is that actually? Does that actually work? Ers that like
a fad a fad? Okay, then I'm going because my
feet are I mean, you've seen my feet.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I got a pedicure last weekend and they did not
go hard enough on my calluses. Oh oh, I gotta be,
I gotta be.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I gotta put like a leather belt between my teeth
and grip it. That's how I want to feel when
my Bunyan's when you're when when the lady at the
pedicurist is going at my and my calluses.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, I want to lose at least two layers of skin.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah. I want to be like holding onto a scream
and not screaming.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
You want to be scrump.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I want to be Gwendola Tarantina. There's no cure. We
are force yeah, Quentin Tarantino. I'm sure it's not the
first time we're force beming everybody. It's like the Iggy
Azalea music video. Oh when Quentin Tarantino gives huge chaser vibes,
Oh my god, Well that's a little disrespectful to chasers. Honestly, Uh,
(36:24):
chasers don't deserve respect. Chasers don't deserve respect. But like
I'm saying, like even chasers have more humanity than Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Well, that's why she's gonna transition.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I have previously told a story wherein I was sleeping
with someone who had a boyfriend. This is maybe the
fourth or fifth time I've been the other woman, and
I told the boyfriend's best friend that he was cheating
on him in an uberpool because we randomly were in
(36:57):
an uberpool together. That was pretty evil. But I love
revenge where they never know it was me, right, I
love it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I want her to note tell Sircy, I want her
to notice me. I guess I got revenge because my
nemesis died.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Your nemesis died.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Although I had no hand in it.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I just schew my I the rather Oh no, i'm singing.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I thought you were singing this is a song.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I am No. I'm just saying I always complain about
you singing, and here I am singing.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Oh well, I'm gonna get my revenge on you.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, hypocrisy who we know several people who we would
like to get mutual revenge on.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I think yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Also, if there's
anyone out there who I have wronged and wants revenge on.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Me, like, go for it. In the words of Lanay
pull Up, pull Up, pull Up, I will absolutely gladly
fight you or also talk it out. I would love
to talk it out. And I'm serious, Like, if you
have a problem with me, I'm not aware of it
because I don't really read the Internet and I don't
read criticisms of me slash. They honestly don't even Sometimes
(38:17):
I'll be talking to someone and we'll get into a
conversation about social media and people will be like, yeah, well,
I mean, like your gms are crazy, like people hate you,
and I'm like do they? I'm like do they? But
like I don't know because I don't read that.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Literally, I'm that's you're so lucky, Like people have to
move in the world. And now a clip from our
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Speaker 2 (38:48):
More Selling the OC. Yes, that's where we're starting today.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, so we have both recently consumed the new second
season of Selling the OC.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
I watch it, you watch I watch all of it.
It's I mean, you can watch all of it in
a single sitting.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's I'm going to say something that I don't know
what if you will agree with it? Okay, I think
it has dethroned Selling Sunset. Wait, I think in I
think agree Selling Sunset as it currently is is not
as good as selling the OC. I agree it must
(39:27):
be acknowledged of course that selling Sunset at one point
was like God, to your television is the blueprint. But
now to me, the quality has dipped so low that
actually the bar to de throne it was pretty low.
I think what I identified as the issue is that,
so selling the OC doesn't have the kind of star
(39:48):
power that selling Sunset does because selling Sunset has all
of these people who have become like cultural icons race, right,
So selling Sunset has that star power, But selling OC
has such a such a captivating and cohesive ensemble people
of star power, yes, who are all interacting in a
(40:12):
very actually tight plot line that is about kind of
one major thing which is like reputation and ethics and.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Like purity or the interpretation of it.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yes, and and you know the sanctity of marriage, and
it must be said like based just on that being
the storyline, it is very obvious that selling the OC
is incredibly conservative.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
And OC like Orange County, like those the people that
live there, they want us all dead and like.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And like Alexandra Jarvis is like like vocally like Trump supporter.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Having full full neo Nazi.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Rose Rose, like Robert F. Kenney Junior a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
So Rose is giving, like like she used to be
in rooms with Epstein.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Rose is giving. She used to kill small animals for
fun when she was a child. And that's why she's
low key. My favorite character Rose because she is psychotic.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
She's so weird and she has no expression in her
eyes at all.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Oh totally dead.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
And she is always wearing the craziest most bimbo outfit.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Crazy like she literally shows up to like the time
they went on the boat, she was wearing lingerie as
a bathing suit. Then later that night for dinner she
just wore a bra. And she's also worn just a
broad to like showing wait wait, wait, the yellow outfit
that she wore to the office. I have to find it.
Alex Rose yellow outfits so crazy?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Oh right, her name is Alex Rose, not Rose. It's
so weird. And Jarvis Jarvis and Rose Jarvis. This Jesus Christ, Wait,
what is this weird saggy panty? Like it looks like honestly,
like she's wearing a tablecloth. No, what it looks like
is like it's a body suit.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
And she didn't snap the buttons in the middle, just
let these.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
She was like, Oh, I just wanted to be as
short as possible. But she's all unhinged.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
She's crazy. And I do respect Jarvis for this season
being like, I need a storyline, so what I'm going
to do is break up with my work bestie, my
work wife. And that was very smart of her. I
do have to say, for some reason, Okay, I know
a lot of people don't like Alex Hall, and I
(42:41):
will agree that I don't think she's like compelling. I
don't think she's like as compelling as a protagonist of
the show as she could be. But for some reason,
I got weirdly invested in the whole thing with her
and Tyler when they kissed him, when they kissed. I
(43:04):
screamed into my pillow. Oh, because I was like, finally,
and I like want them to be together, even though
I know they're both bad people, Like he's he's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
He well, okay, here's the thing, is like I actually
don't so hot. I don't think he's hot. He's like
kind of so hot. I don't find introverts hot. Really,
it's hard for me.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
He's so tall. And then when he shut up to
that party in his underwear and you could see his
huge talk.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Go unattractive to me, the most disgusting boxer briefs I've
ever seen in my life. Love that you're not even
gonna spring for like some savage fentie. You fucking ugly?
I could not. Sorry, I know he's not actually ugly,
but I'm infuriated because I actually don't think he's like
I'm okay, of course I'm.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Team Britney Snow let it be said. But he's ex wife.
Oh my god, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Right, okay, okay, so Tyler being the kind of like
you know, golden goose of a divorcee that everyone is
now trying to gnaw on. It is literally everyone in
that office, Yes, is actually amazing, it's great TV, and
both seasons of the show have now been about how
everyone wants to fuck him, is fucking him, or could
be fucked and the fact that he is actually kind
(44:15):
of like I do believe he is actually really introverted
and is actually really bad at receiving all of this attention.
That doesn't make him any less of like a scummy man,
but I do think he's like wildly ill equipped for
the position he's been put in, funny enough, so that
does make it all the more interesting. Selling the OSI
and Selling Sunset both have this like really really painful production,
(44:40):
like this forced production of a scene, Like every single
scene is so so scripted.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
But it is so good.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
It is it's good because you know that if you
tried to make them improvise, it would be worse because
they're not smart enough to improvise.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
But it is like they are. I do feel I
have always felt with both of these franchises, and like
reality TV in general, like we are getting such a
filtered version of the story, and I think we're selling
the OC specifically, like they decided what the season was
going to be about and like worked backwards from there.
(45:16):
So I always feel like what they're talking about is like,
the emotion is real and the tension is real, it's
just the specifics that are being either exaggerated or straight
up lied about. Yeah, Like, I don't think that was
the first time that Hall and Tyler.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
No fucking way unless there are motherfucking pilgrims, like please,
there's I mean, if they if that actually was their
first kiss, I would be so concerned for the state
of heterosexuality, like I am there already there is actually
no there's there's heterosexual people would be I mean, I'm
(45:56):
grateful that heterosexual people don't fuck like baggats, but if
they did, society would collapse, but also that everyone would
be so much happier.
She's better known for the things that she does on
the mattress. Whoa, And then she changed the lyrics to
he was a moth to the flame. She was holding
the mattress whoa.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Yeah, but I like the slutshame version better.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
She's sheen a me, no mate, not my mate?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yo yoo?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
No, what is your child?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
I am a shocker?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know what's going down? Before like.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Round. I saw this clip on Twitter the other day.
Sorry X no, we're not calling at that, We're going
And it was when Riverdale ended and someone was like,
I'm going to miss the show, and it was a
clip of one of the moms going up to one
(00:58):
of the other moms and being like, I heard your
daughter was getting slut shamed at school. That's what happens
when sluts get shamed, which I thought was very funny.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Riverdale is amazing, honestly, I mean just a small just
a small aside. I watched many seasons of Riverdale. I
don't know if the Virgins know this about me. I
became very obsessed. I think up until season four, right
around the time where Archie gets sent to like penitentiary
prison and like plays basketball with all of his prisonmates,
(01:31):
and I think.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
That does any gay stuff happen?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah, yeah, I think that the one gay guy on
the show has like is like in a kind of
grinder relationship at this point. And I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
No, but no gay stuff happens with Archie in prison.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I don't think. No, not with Archie. No, not with Archie.
Well that's the thing is, like I know, maybe one
of them gets like yeah, I don't know, no, but
Archie's never gay. And when the show ended and I
haven't been keeping up, it's apparently gone.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Off off the off, the off the rails, like like
it's now just multiple universes horror fantasy, like everybody fucking everybody.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And in the final episode they revealed that the four
of them Betty Juughhead, Archie and Ica and Camilla Mendez
Ken does are We're in a quad relationship, which is
essentially a poly foursome. And that is so disrespectful, so
(02:35):
disrespectful to goad us with a polyphor way and not
show us Jughead taking it up the bum bum like sorry,
like that is rude. I needed someone.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Yeah, does it make you mad enough to want to
kill someone?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Yes? Oh yeah, I forgot we're here to talk about
so anyways, once again there's an adderall shortage.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Right, don't worry. I will be your adderall.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, you'll be my adderall be on adderall.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
So we are here today to talk about the two
thousand and three film Kill Bill and sequel kill Bill two,
directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Uma Thurman, Fox and Lucy Lou. Yes,
we recently. Well, I watched the first movie a couple
weeks ago, and then Fran and I watched part two
(03:35):
last week. And I hadn't seen Kill Bill in over
a decade.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And let me tell you, when these movies came out,
I made them my whole personality.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Yeah. I also I had cousins that were obsessed with them,
that were like film people, and so I become obsessed
with them kind of tangentially. Yeah, I I what do
you What did you latch onto about them? Well?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
I think the Well, okay, let's be real. First of all,
it's all about kill Bill one. Yeah, all of the
iconic visuals, lines, sequences are all in the first movie,
and the second movie feels like a very long coda
in many ways. There are good moments, but it's all
(04:23):
about the first movie. It's about the yellow jumpsuit. It's
about the anime scene. It's about it's about a tear
the fucking bitch apart. It's about Nikiya Niki so good.
I love that Vivica a Fox. Let's have us a
knife fight. Yeah, it's about fucking when she cuts the
(04:47):
arm off that bitch. It's about the band in the restaurant.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Oh my god, it's about that the lucy luccene in
the boardroom. Oh yeah, the guy. Now, it's the fucking time.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
It's about silly coccade Asian girl likes to play with Samurai.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So yes, okay, So here's the thing. I I feel like, Okay, no,
Quentin Tarantino, But unfortunately these films are like we're are
like cinematic invention and like totally genius on the format level.
A lot of the time.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
He put his whole.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Into that, And like, we hate Quentin Tarantino, but we're
not going to deny the fact that these are good
fucking films.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah, even all the lingering shots of feet. Yeah, and
I think that wiggle wiggle you're big.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
You know that, quin No, not let me not go there.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Oh you know, oh god, he's big, big, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
I I think it's lovely that the films are called
Volume one and Volume two, because obviously, in American cinema
we treat everything as like a sequel, a sequel, a sequel,
it's a reboot, and it's like no, in actuality, these
two films are one film, and I personally, when I
watch them, like, I view them as one film and
Volume two is a just as you said, like a
(06:05):
denu mat to the rest of the story, and therefore
is kind of boring it.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Honestly, like it makes me wonder should it just have
been edited in order of the kills or But because
the thing is, the end of the first film is perfect, perfect,
and the climax and the ending with Lucy Lou is
(06:32):
the way that first movie should end. But it's not
the end of the story. That's actually that's her first kill.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, so, well she kills Vivica.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
No, I think she's already killed Lucy when she kills
Vivica a fox?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
What hold on?
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Let me let me pull up I think, so, let
me pull up her kills kill bill kill list. Yeah,
Oren is shee is number one, So it's Oren Vernita
bud Elle and Bill got it, so that would have Yeah,
(07:11):
you can't start the movies with her killing Oren, because
that is the most exciting part of both films.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
These are based on a comic book.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Right, No, no, no, They're based on a character that Quentin
Tarantino and Uma Thurman created together because you know, they
had worked together on pulp fiction. They were great friends,
and they sort of conceptualized this idea of the bride
together and made these movies.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Oh, that's so cool, it's so cool. It's how films
should be made. It makes me so mad at that
Quentin Tarantino is such a piece of shit. But honestly, well, okay,
I don't want to go right into the negative. But
we already talked about how much we love these films.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
So well, let's talk more about the why they gripped
us the way. Yeah they did when we were teenagers,
because I don't think I had like we've talked before
about how there were certain movies or pop culture experiences
that I had as a teenager that like opened me
up to a specific side of pop culture, and like,
you know, like I talked about how Garden State was
(08:10):
really my introduction to indie movies and like that kind
of like quieter, character driven story. And I do think
for kill Bill, this was the first time I saw
a film that was like like an outeur film, you know,
like yeah, and also something that was so referential of
(08:32):
an entire genre that I had never experienced before, which is,
you know, like westerns and Mars Samurai movies and revenge
films and martial arts movies. And it was the first
time that I understood that filmmakers like existed in conversation
with the movies that came before them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Yeah. It was also probably the first kind of utter
film I ever saw, too, And I think that I
felt like I was inspired to be a filmmaker because
of in part Kill Bill, Wow Yeah and kill Bill,
and also like Mulan Bruge, like Baslerman honestly, but like
(09:14):
just like I just remember two maximalists Bosler you know me.
I love maximalism. And the thing that I think really
sticks to me about Kill Bill still to this day,
as we just rewatched volume two and you just watch
volume one, is that the visual language of the film
is still so strong it stands on its own. Most
(09:37):
of it is not derivative of anything. It's just like
fully his art.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Obviously, it's like I mean, it's derivative, but in a
in a way reference full of reverence. Yes, obviously he
has lots of reverence for Westerns and lots of reverence
for these kind of like Eastern like martial arts movies,
which you know, there's a whole other kind of like
nuanced problema to conversation have about that that we're not
going to have here on this podcast. But yeah, I
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just like I was so struck by the specificity. And
I you know me, I like movies about revenge. I
like movies about women. I like movies that are violent,
and this has all of all of those things. It
has everything. It has all these hot cunty women killing
each other with swords, with swords with swords. Like there's
(10:28):
so few guns used in this movie, which is something
I really appreciate. Like obviously at the beginning there's a gun,
but like it is so like all of these ideas
about sort of like honor and revenge, and like there's
no there's no morality placed on the bride aka Beatrix
(10:51):
Kiddo for wanting her revenge, Like we we support her
and I do think, said her killing spree.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
This is at a time when there was sort of
a moralistic like view grafted onto mainstream media that we
should be watching good people do like triumph over.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Bad, especially women. Like yeah, oh like if if there's
a woman character, she's not allowed to be bad or
or a killer at all.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah. And I loved that this character was a mother
and was also like the most dangerous assassin in the world.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
It's so cool if only she had broken out her
southern drawl that she brings into red wine and royal. Yeah. No,
I really I love these movies. I feel like Go
Go is my gender, Like I feel like I feel
like there's something about.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
The Halloween costume for you go Go Ubari.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It would I just like any sort of hard femme,
Like there's something about the evil femme that I've always
been attracted to, whether it's like Mole the Scent, or
like Beatrix or Lucy Lou. Honestly, like these are I
don't know. I just I'm addicted to stories like that,
and it feels so basic sometimes because now we're seeing
(12:11):
this twenty twenties kind of girl bossification of villains, which
with things like I care a lot, which you very
just you and I very much so disagree about. But
like you know, the girl bossification of villains is like
a very it's like they're treating it like it's new again.
And Quan Tarantino, Quan Tarantina, what's like doing this a
long time ago? Yeah, and like doing it without I
(12:31):
mean I can't I can't say that I was aware
of the media narrative around it at the time and
like what they talked about, but there's not there doesn't
seem to be any big ideas about feminism in these films. Yeah,
it's really they are the type of violent revenge stories
that had existed for decades, just with women placed in
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the lead roles and very little conversation about that.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Like there were there were not a lot of moments
in these movies where men were like devaluing or second
guessing these women because they were women, like they were
they were killers, yea, And like that was just presented
in sort of a very matter of fact way that
I think was pretty progressive for the time, but like
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didn't maybe we didn't try to like pat itself on
the back for it.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah. And yeah, and also just like on top of
the like the effortlessness of it all that you're kind
of describing. On top of that, there's this thing that
I just tend to love in movies. It's the thing
that'll make me remember a movie is when a director
understands how fucking weird they are and they figure out
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how to lean into it and that and that like
kill Bill, these are weird movies, like really weird movies
that do things that you are like, wait, what's happening
sometimes if you're seeing it for the first time. And
that's why, you know, I kind of loved Barbie or
loved like everything everwhere all at once, or like when
these movie when movies like this triumph, I'm always just
like I love that a weird movie got somewhere, because
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these days, the only movies that are successful are the
ones that are following formulas like I mean, we're gonna
talk about Marvel again, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Like and kill Bill was at the time was unlike
anything that existed, and it.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Was outside of obviously Western movies and like martial arts no, but.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I mean movies that like mainstream films that were getting
not a time and it was a huge hit like
it Kill Bill dominated culture. I didn't even know that,
and it was a huge success that had a thirty
million dollar budget and the it made one hundred and
eighty million dollars at the box office, so it was
a huge hit and it was Tarantino's like biggest hit
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at the time. And I just remember like the references
of it were everywhere because the the imagery of it
is so iconic that I think it really permeated culture
at the time, and they were like I was just
obsessed with it, Like I wanted a Samurai sword.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
Obviously.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
I wanted those like yellow Acex she was wearing. I
actually did recently, but did their only Zuca tigers, and
I did recently buy a pair of Oh yeah you.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
Did, and now I want them to I do feel
like the movie, the Kill Bill movies did move me
to go watch every subsequent Quentin Tarantino film, and I
also watched pulp Fiction, which I thought was a little boring.
I have not seen the most recent one he did
another Western recently that I haven't seen.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Well, I've the only movies of his I've seen are
The Kill Bills, Pulp Fiction, and Once upon a Time
in Hollywood. I've never seen Jackie Brown. I've never seen
Reservoir Dogs.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I thought he just produced that. I don't remember.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, I'm not. I can't say that. I'm like a
huge fan of him, but these movies I am a
fan of. Has he been canceled in any way?
Speaker 2 (16:05):
No? No, I mean not effectively. No. There are a
bunch of women that came forward to talk about the
ways they were maybe not treated correctly on set. But
I think the fact that like Lupita has been silent,
and that like Margaret Robbie was like weirdly defensive. She's like, no, no, no,
I love being in movies where I only have five lines.
It's like great, Like this is like so amazing.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
It's like, oh yeah, because she said nothing once upon
a time.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Noting anyways, it's infuriating. But no, I don't think he's
been effectively canceled. And it's kind of wild because he
really is a textbook abuser. And if you have seen
literally any any interview with him, or if you've ever
heard Fiona Apple talk about dating him, we all know
he's a bad person.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, and he also is sorry, horrendously.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Ugly, horrendously ugly can we say that, thank you, but.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
You know, he may he put his whole pussy, he
put his whole terranuzzy into at the very least kill
Bill one, like kill Bill two, Kill Bill two feels
the fact that there's two of them feels a bit masturbatory,
oh and like indulgent. And I do think and I
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even remember as a teenager leaving the second movie, and
it might have been the first time like as a
like as like consciously as a young adult that I
experienced like the disappointment of thinking that a piece of
art was bad rather than just like I didn't like it.
(17:35):
I think I left it being like, oh, that's not
as good as it could have been, and helped me
sort of like in building my like taste when it
came to art. But yeah, I just remember like thinking
it was really like unnecessary.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, we were talking about it when we were watching it.
And you know, if I'm thinking about the two of
these movies as one film, which is kind of how
I see that, I feel like only the last half
of Volume two was when I was just like, all right,
this is about as good as like the last thirty
minutes of the Lord of the Rings trilogy which I
think is extremely boring and unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
The last thirty minutes of Kilbill two is like all talking. Yes,
it's so allot Beatrix and Bill talking.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And masturbatory is exactly the word. And these are these
are the parts of the films where I'm just like, Okay,
this was like during an era of movies where they
let white men do literally anything they want with this script.
And it's like these and then the male characters will
just talk and talk and talk and talk, and there's
always just a girl like sitting there like listening for
like no reason, not saying anything. It's like, okay, Quentin Tarantino, Like,
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these are the parts where it's just like we we
we get it, we get it, we get it. But
I still loved Volume two. Well.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
The fight with Daryl Hannah is the best part of
the movie. And when she snatches her eye out at
the end, Wow, and Daryl Hannah screaming like after she's
been pluck. Yeah, so good. And what Daryl Hannah is incredible?
She an icon, She's so hot and I her. I
(19:08):
was obsessed with her boots while we were watching the movie.
And I really need a county pair of black pointy toe.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
You were on essence, Like as soon as those boots,
I was like, yeah, I was sitting there watching the movie,
like searching the essenil rest in peace, And.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
I still have not found a good pair of County
l from kill Bill boots. But you know, I will
keep looking. Who of all of the people on the
kill list, on the kill list, who would you most
want to fight or who would you be the most
(19:48):
afraid to fight.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
I would be most afraid to fight Lucy Lou. I
would want to fight Bud. Yeah, he was like I
thought that when he buried her the in volume two,
Like I just vividly remember that scene as a child
in how Like it's very viscerally horrifying.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Yeah, the sound design is so really scary suffocating.
Speaker 2 (20:12):
Yeah, really scary. And yeah, so him, I think is
like he has like the most deserved revenge, Like I
would love to kill also just a man, of course,
what about you?
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I think I would also be the most scared to
fight o Renihie just because she's sickening and she also
has the most sort of infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Around her protecting her to kill eighty eight people? Wait,
is it the crazy eighty eight the crazy idea? You
have to kill eighty eight people before.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
And then who would I want to fight the most.
I'm not necessarily saying like who who I think needs
to die the most? But I would want to fight
Vernita Green Vic Fox the most because that is like,
there's a reason why that's the first fight in the movie,
because it sets the tone so perfectly.
Speaker 2 (20:57):
Yes, and I love And the thing that I love
about the tone throughout the film is this kind of
like blistering violence, shock, horror, high sticks and then pause, joke,
let's talk normal. It's funny that we're talking normal. We're
actually just average people. We just also kill each other sometimes.
Like it's so I just love that dissonance and the language.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Yeah, the language, and like the monologuing, the way that
people say things is so specific and like, yes, there
are some very dark stuff that happens that's intercut with
things that are very funny, like when you find out
that the nurse of the hospital has been charging men
to rape for years, but.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Then the revenge becomes so much sweeter satisfying.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Well, she when she kills both of them.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
And she's like, your.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Name's Buck right, and you like to fuck right? And
then kills him it's so satisfying.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
God it is. I love revenge fantasies. Revenge fantasy should
be a mainstream genre. That is like busting the summer
box offices.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Also, without kill Bill, we would never have gotten the
pussy Wagon and the telephone music video.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Oh my god, I forgot.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
And just for that, Tarantino deserves to have his ass.
Ha no one lick, one lick, one lick, not by me,
but by someone.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
No, no, no, He's had his ass like plenty of times.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
It's true, I am, but he's never cleaned it.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
He's never cleaned it. No, I mean, Fionda Apple probably
hasn't eaten his hass. I think she loves herself a
little too much. Do you think Tarantina Apple has eaten
Tarantina's ass?
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Unfortunately? Unfortunately?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I do think.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
If you were on a revenge quest, what would be
your weapon of choice?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Well, it's hard to not pick samurai sword. I would
think maybe two twin swords would be pretty dope.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Very like I'm playing right now has two swords. I
would love twin steel s.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Yeah, oh, silver steel for humans, got it, didn't I
didn't know that Now I know I would definitely do
twin swords, and my revenge fantasy would be against maybe
a esthetician who botched a gender firming a piece of
for me.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Sorry, I don't mean to last because it's a joke,
but it's not.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Here's the thing, Okay, let's talk about this. I have
multiple nemesy. You do multiple, and I will not be
naming them on this podcast. And because I really don't
have that many, but I have tried and true people
that if I saw them on the street, my face
would turn red. And and who are those people?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
For? You?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Can? You?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Can you think of anybody? Actually? I think we saw
one on.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Well, no, I have who Oh yes, I wouldn't call
him an nemesis.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
He kind of hime.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Yeah, but no, someone else called him an nemesis. He's
not really my nemesis. That gives him a little too
much power.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Okay, okay, I had.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
An nemesis who died, but I had I've had no
part in his death.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Oh I don't even know who this guy is. Yeah,
well we could cut it.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
But my nemesis was oh my anyway, God. So if
I was going to go on a revenge spree, my
weapon of choice, I think i'd want to do daggers
because I did throw. I am like I don't have
good eye coordination. But on a vacationion recently, we were
playing darts and I was pretty good at it. So
(24:57):
I like daggers because you can throw them. But then
they're also for close up combat and it feels very
personal when you stab someone with a dagger.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, it does. You want to be right there seeing
their eye color, smelling their their glossier, you perfume.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
I don't think I would be I don't think I
would have a gun, but I would be very skilled
in martial arts.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
I would love to be martial artist. I would also
love a bow and arrow.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
What about a crossbow?
Speaker 2 (25:31):
No, I would want a bow an arrow, I would
I would want my full like Catnus Legols fantasy. I
think crossbow is too militant.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Oh maybe I'll have an axe.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
I don't want anything that resembles give me. Oh, an
axe would be.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
What would your okay so Beatrix Kiddo the bride, her
iconic look is the yellow track suit. What would your
iconic revenge fantasy look?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Bem, do you have an answer for this? I'm thinking
Schiparelli he had to toe gold armor SCHEPERELLI yeah, I
think it's got I think it's got to be black leather,
like classic black leather, a really cunty boot, like a
(26:15):
long braid hanging down, because you know, you can't be
fighting with your hair in your face. Yeah, it's got
to be giving. Mortal Kombat, it's got to give. It
be giving like street fodder, Frighter, it's got to be giving.
Finish them, yeah, yeah, them, you know, finish them, them,
Finish they them, finish Zezer.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Finish folks. Would you feel comfortable with civilians dying in
the line of fire in your quest for vengeance?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
If it was my fault, that would be pretty I would.
I would probably have a existential crisis in okay. But
but but if it was someone else's fault, I don't
think I would. I would really hold on to that.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Would you kill someone whose child was upstairs, like the
to Bernita Green, and then would you tell the child
that they could come seek vengeance from you?
Speaker 2 (27:10):
I thought that was very fair and balanced of her.
And you know, just like, listen, if you're still mad
about this, you can come find mommy.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
If you're still pressed, if you're so salty and.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Can come, well, tell your mommy.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
And you know, Quentin Tarantino always said that he wanted
to make a sequel years in the future, but I
feel like recently he said something that like that's probably
never gonna happen, really, which is such a Bummercuse.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, Vivica's daughter like for volume three and volume four.
That means it's an entirely new protagonist. And then Uma
Thurman gets to be the big bad like that's fucking sick.
That would be so oh my god.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
And then and then we could have Uma Thurman's daughter
get all grown up.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I know we cast India and everything,
but Zindia would be would be so good and oh
my god, wait wait wait total aside. Yes, I was
supposed to talk about this and chit chat I did
see The Greatest Showman. We need to talk about this
in our next chit chat virgins. Don't worry, we'll talk
about it. No no, no, not a full episode. But
(28:10):
I have to tell you you loved it, No, I
I love I thought that it was a near perfect,
perfectly constructed film that is not really for me, that
had excellent music and brilliant twists, and was well acted.
It's just not really for me, but the music is
(28:32):
so good. Anyways, I bring this up, right, I bring
this up because in a future episode we'll talk about
my many takeaways. But the biggest one of the one
of the bigger takeaways that I took away was was
first and foremost, Zendaia needs to be in a good movie,
and she needs to be in a good musical. Like
(28:57):
Greatest Showman is great, but it's not a good musical
or a good movie for Zendaea.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Kill Bill three the musical, That's what I'm saying, Kill
Bell three the musical, Gil three the Musical Star but
it's not directed by Quentin Taranty.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
No, no, no, Well that's that. That's the other problem
is that those movies couldn't be made because he would
have his reckoning immediately.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Yeah yeah yeah, Kill Bill three the Musical directed by
Karen Kusama.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
He I feel like Quentin Tarantino high key made a
whole ass other film that no one talked about. It
was another Western that no one talked about. Wasn't it
called like the Hateful Eight? It was after Django and Chained,
Like when did Hateful Eight come out? I don't know,
That's what I'm saying I think he's like fully making
movies that no one talks about.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Entry like Inglorious Bastards.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Yes, that was actually really funny.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
I didn't see it.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yeah, I thought that was like a successful Quentin Tarantino
project because he's not trying to write for black people,
which is like really hard. It's hard to hear the
script sometimes on some of these other movies.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
The thing that sucks about Quentin Tarantino is obviously he's
like probably a bad person. And you know, I'm not
the kind of person who like measures my the things
I like or alters the things I like based on
other people who like them. But the worst men in
the world love Quentin Tarantino, yep, and so and that
(30:19):
is I don't like the intersection.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I don't like being among the worst men I know.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
So that's why I'm glad that of his movies, the
ones I love are the girly ones, you know. And
I'm sure that all the fucking horrible dudes out there
who love Tarantino don't love Kill Bill.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Well, they probably like pulp fiction more, yeah, like which
is sorry, a kind of boring movie, But they probably
love reservoir dogs. The masturbatory man talking thing that is
all pulp fiction, like talk doc talk talk talk talk talk.
Oh my god. I mean it's funny because a lot
of times, like the things that I love about Tarantino
are also the things that I hate, because it is
(30:59):
kind of lovely that at this time, like movies had
looser reins and could be much longer, and dialogue could
be longer because people's attention deafit sits and attention spans
hadn't been like mortally, I don't know, wounded wounded by
iPhones and the internet. But anyways, Quentin Tarantino haven't comeback.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
I'm just kidding. Just if Quentin Tarantino came out as trans.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Well, then I'm plugged in Mama, like move over which house?
This is a new tour we women, oh one hundred percent.
But the thing is, it has to be a trans name,
and therefore, what if it's just Tina, Well, like Quentin Tarantina.
Tarantina is really funny. Well, I was thinking of Q names,
(31:46):
and I'm thinking about just like trans names in general,
and how if he sorry, if she is trans, then
she has to for her name pick a Greek goddess,
a planet or an herb three joins or no, or
a literary character or a literary character. So her name
(32:08):
could be Quarrel, professor Quarrel, her ce names, her name
could be, her name could be are there any other Quendola?
There are no planets? Or Greek god, Queen Queen, Queen
(32:33):
Queen Tarantina. Well, okay, do you want to hear something hilarious?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Is so?
Speaker 2 (32:39):
I obviously like my If you don't know my dead
name by now, you should be able to figure it
out by my social media handle. I have been thinking
about trying to figure out how to change my socially
social media handled to Frans Skuishka. I would never because
it's actually just two on the nose and two gimmicky.
But like he should be, she should be named.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Fuck.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
I give miss Gendering Quina Gwendola Tarantina.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Gwendola.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Gwendola's really funny. Gwendola Tarantina is actually her new name.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Do you have a foot fetish?
Speaker 2 (33:40):
No, I don't have a foot fetish, but I will
absolutely suck a clean foot if it's in my face,
I will, and I will do it without being asked.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
You do you like having your toes suck.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Oh yeah, sometimes it's a little too, it's a little
less sexual and a little more ticklish. But I'm never
gonna say no, what about you? This is a really
great prompt.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
But I don't have a foot fetish. But I do
have sort of a go to move, which is that
if I'm like laying down and someone is between my legs,
so to speak, doing something, I will almost oh and
if this person has a dick, I will almost always
(34:22):
reach my foot down, if not both feet to sort
of dig in. Give a foot job. Give either with
one foot sort of teasingly, or both feet and press
them together and create a little channel.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I've definitely given the suggestion of a foot job before,
but it but the feet, definitely. I think that feet
should be insects. And I think that if you are
deterred by feet or just body parts in general, like
I mean, just wash it, Just wash the foot and
eat it.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
I just sometimes feel insecure about my feet because I
get I get callouses.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Well, my foot are tore up, Mama, I'm having foot issues.
I have like bunyans, I have calluses, and because of
all the foot where I use their.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Scars, you gotta wiggle your big toe.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
I got to wiggle my big toe. No, I have
to get one of those like full foot masts that
like like we're fish like eat off the top three
like layers of my skin.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That is terrifying to me. Do you think I could
do it?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Is that actually? Does that actually work? Ers that like
a fad a fad? Okay, then I'm going because my
feet are I mean, you've seen my feet.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
I got a pedicure last weekend and they did not
go hard enough on my calluses. Oh oh, I gotta be,
I gotta be.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I gotta put like a leather belt between my teeth
and grip it. That's how I want to feel when
my Bunyan's when you're when when the lady at the
pedicurist is going at my and my calluses.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah, I want to lose at least two layers of skin.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah. I want to be like holding onto a scream
and not screaming.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
You want to be scrump.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I want to be Gwendola Tarantina. There's no cure. We
are force yeah, Quentin Tarantino. I'm sure it's not the
first time we're force beming everybody. It's like the Iggy
Azalea music video. Oh when Quentin Tarantino gives huge chaser vibes,
Oh my god, Well that's a little disrespectful to chasers. Honestly, Uh,
(36:24):
chasers don't deserve respect. Chasers don't deserve respect. But like
I'm saying, like even chasers have more humanity than Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Well, that's why she's gonna transition.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I have previously told a story wherein I was sleeping
with someone who had a boyfriend. This is maybe the
fourth or fifth time I've been the other woman, and
I told the boyfriend's best friend that he was cheating
on him in an uberpool because we randomly were in
(36:57):
an uberpool together. That was pretty evil. But I love
revenge where they never know it was me, right, I
love it.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
I want her to note tell Sircy, I want her
to notice me. I guess I got revenge because my
nemesis died.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Your nemesis died.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Although I had no hand in it.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
I just schew my I the rather Oh no, i'm singing.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
I thought you were singing this is a song.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
I am No. I'm just saying I always complain about
you singing, and here I am singing.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Oh well, I'm gonna get my revenge on you.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yeah, hypocrisy who we know several people who we would
like to get mutual revenge on.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
I think yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. Also, if there's
anyone out there who I have wronged and wants revenge on.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Me, like, go for it. In the words of Lanay
pull Up, pull Up, pull Up, I will absolutely gladly
fight you or also talk it out. I would love
to talk it out. And I'm serious, Like, if you
have a problem with me, I'm not aware of it
because I don't really read the Internet and I don't
read criticisms of me slash. They honestly don't even Sometimes
(38:17):
I'll be talking to someone and we'll get into a
conversation about social media and people will be like, yeah, well,
I mean, like your gms are crazy, like people hate you,
and I'm like do they? I'm like do they? But
like I don't know because I don't read that.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Literally, I'm that's you're so lucky, Like people have to
move in the world. And now a clip from our
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Speaker 2 (38:48):
More Selling the OC. Yes, that's where we're starting today.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Yeah, so we have both recently consumed the new second
season of Selling the OC.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
I watch it, you watch I watch all of it.
It's I mean, you can watch all of it in
a single sitting.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
It's I'm going to say something that I don't know
what if you will agree with it? Okay, I think
it has dethroned Selling Sunset. Wait, I think in I
think agree Selling Sunset as it currently is is not
as good as selling the OC. I agree it must
(39:27):
be acknowledged of course that selling Sunset at one point
was like God, to your television is the blueprint. But
now to me, the quality has dipped so low that
actually the bar to de throne it was pretty low.
I think what I identified as the issue is that,
so selling the OC doesn't have the kind of star
(39:48):
power that selling Sunset does because selling Sunset has all
of these people who have become like cultural icons race, right,
So selling Sunset has that star power, But selling OC
has such a such a captivating and cohesive ensemble people
of star power, yes, who are all interacting in a
(40:12):
very actually tight plot line that is about kind of
one major thing which is like reputation and ethics and.
Speaker 2 (40:23):
Like purity or the interpretation of it.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
Yes, and and you know the sanctity of marriage, and
it must be said like based just on that being
the storyline, it is very obvious that selling the OC
is incredibly conservative.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
And OC like Orange County, like those the people that
live there, they want us all dead and like.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
And like Alexandra Jarvis is like like vocally like Trump supporter.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Having full full neo Nazi.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
Rose Rose, like Robert F. Kenney Junior a lot.
Speaker 2 (41:03):
So Rose is giving, like like she used to be
in rooms with Epstein.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
Rose is giving. She used to kill small animals for
fun when she was a child. And that's why she's
low key. My favorite character Rose because she is psychotic.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
She's so weird and she has no expression in her
eyes at all.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Oh totally dead.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
And she is always wearing the craziest most bimbo outfit.
Speaker 1 (41:30):
Crazy like she literally shows up to like the time
they went on the boat, she was wearing lingerie as
a bathing suit. Then later that night for dinner she
just wore a bra. And she's also worn just a
broad to like showing wait wait, wait, the yellow outfit
that she wore to the office. I have to find it.
Alex Rose yellow outfits so crazy?
Speaker 2 (41:52):
Oh right, her name is Alex Rose, not Rose. It's
so weird. And Jarvis Jarvis and Rose Jarvis. This Jesus Christ, Wait,
what is this weird saggy panty? Like it looks like honestly,
like she's wearing a tablecloth. No, what it looks like
is like it's a body suit.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
And she didn't snap the buttons in the middle, just
let these.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
She was like, Oh, I just wanted to be as
short as possible. But she's all unhinged.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
She's crazy. And I do respect Jarvis for this season
being like, I need a storyline, so what I'm going
to do is break up with my work bestie, my
work wife. And that was very smart of her. I
do have to say, for some reason, Okay, I know
a lot of people don't like Alex Hall, and I
(42:41):
will agree that I don't think she's like compelling. I
don't think she's like as compelling as a protagonist of
the show as she could be. But for some reason,
I got weirdly invested in the whole thing with her
and Tyler when they kissed him, when they kissed. I
(43:04):
screamed into my pillow. Oh, because I was like, finally,
and I like want them to be together, even though
I know they're both bad people, Like he's he's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
He well, okay, here's the thing, is like I actually
don't so hot. I don't think he's hot. He's like
kind of so hot. I don't find introverts hot. Really,
it's hard for me.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
He's so tall. And then when he shut up to
that party in his underwear and you could see his
huge talk.
Speaker 2 (43:31):
Go unattractive to me, the most disgusting boxer briefs I've
ever seen in my life. Love that you're not even
gonna spring for like some savage fentie. You fucking ugly?
I could not. Sorry, I know he's not actually ugly,
but I'm infuriated because I actually don't think he's like
I'm okay, of course I'm.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
Team Britney Snow let it be said. But he's ex wife.
Oh my god, yeah.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Right, okay, okay, so Tyler being the kind of like
you know, golden goose of a divorcee that everyone is
now trying to gnaw on. It is literally everyone in
that office, Yes, is actually amazing, it's great TV, and
both seasons of the show have now been about how
everyone wants to fuck him, is fucking him, or could
be fucked and the fact that he is actually kind
(44:15):
of like I do believe he is actually really introverted
and is actually really bad at receiving all of this attention.
That doesn't make him any less of like a scummy man,
but I do think he's like wildly ill equipped for
the position he's been put in, funny enough, so that
does make it all the more interesting. Selling the OSI
and Selling Sunset both have this like really really painful production,
(44:40):
like this forced production of a scene, Like every single
scene is so so scripted.
Speaker 1 (44:46):
But it is so good.
Speaker 2 (44:47):
It is it's good because you know that if you
tried to make them improvise, it would be worse because
they're not smart enough to improvise.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
But it is like they are. I do feel I
have always felt with both of these franchises, and like
reality TV in general, like we are getting such a
filtered version of the story, and I think we're selling
the OC specifically, like they decided what the season was
going to be about and like worked backwards from there.
(45:16):
So I always feel like what they're talking about is like,
the emotion is real and the tension is real, it's
just the specifics that are being either exaggerated or straight
up lied about. Yeah, Like, I don't think that was
the first time that Hall and Tyler.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
No fucking way unless there are motherfucking pilgrims, like please,
there's I mean, if they if that actually was their
first kiss, I would be so concerned for the state
of heterosexuality, like I am there already there is actually
no there's there's heterosexual people would be I mean, I'm
(45:56):
grateful that heterosexual people don't fuck like baggats, but if
they did, society would collapse, but also that everyone would
be so much happier.
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