April 13, 2023 • 47 mins
- Fran & Rose catch up on Fran's brush with death at sea, new Yaeji and Boy Genius, their live show, last Sunday's Succession (big spoilers!) and whether or not they'll walk Cornelia Street again
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's a hot take. Logan Rys a bad person, She's
she any not mate, not my mate. Yo yo yo,
what is your child? High mother? I am yo. I'm
going down the store like Welcome to Like a Virgin,
(00:36):
the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes.
I'm Rose, damn you, and I'm fran Toronto. Franny, you
are incredibly tan. Yeah, I am a gorgeous golden sheen slash,
a sun poisoned reddish brown. Um. And you look you
(00:58):
look like you And a week on a boat which
you in fact did that I in fact did. It
was truly an incredible experience. Nothing that happened on the
boat really could have been predicted. And yet here I
am and I am now at devout cruise attendee. Um.
(01:19):
I would take a cruise literally anytime, if it's free.
If it's free, important important disclaimer. And I think that
you need I think that you need to lead with
your your on your cruise recap. I think you need
to lead with the news that the main event the
diva doll herself as it well, the main event is
(01:40):
that on day one I don't even know if he
knows this. On day one of the cruise. Um we
you know, had departed from Miami on our way to
under Us and um late in the night, there's you know,
the dude, dude, and then a little this is your bam,
we are returning back to the shore a medical emergency.
(02:01):
We will be updating you blah blah. And so we're like, oh,
that's kind of weird, Like the trip is like stopped, sure,
like right at the beginning. What's going on the next morning,
eight o'clock in the morning, do do do? And like
the Captain's like, hello, passengers, we are so sorry to
let you know that last night a passenger was leaning
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over the balcony on the seventeenth floor and fell to
the seventh floor of the ship and died. And everyone
on the cruise got a free cruise. That's crazy. Wait,
like like they refunded you or they gave you a
voucher for another cruise. It's unclear to me. I'm pretty
(02:44):
sure it's a it's a voucher that you didn't You
didn't immediately go and be like, Hi, Diva, can I
call you? Can you tell me exactly? Well, this whole
depth thing is about because we didn't really pay, like
we didn't really pay, Like we paid like a kind
of like a service charge whatever, but we didn't really
pay for the cruise, so we weren't really sure if
(03:04):
ours were refunded. We were mostly just like, oh, my
fucking god, this is crazy. And our friend who works
for the cruise line, who was on the ship, We're
like worried about him. And so it was like a
lot of investigating, like us being a nice, like human,
empathetic person. I skipped to that part well, like, honey,
don't get it twisted, like we were immediately cracking jokes,
and like the energy on the boat that morning was
(03:26):
so dark, and I did where I was like, oh
thank god, I packed at least like one outfit that
was all black you more, yes, with my dark sunglasses.
But like Laurel and I were like trying so hard
to not make like, you know, woman overboard jokes, um,
you know, like and and we we overboard starring Goldie Hanks. Yes,
(03:47):
and we tried. I think we did a pretty good
job of like being sensitible also acknowledging that that is
like kind of genuinely whack a doodle, And like I
hope that the families of those people are okay, But
also we were all gossiping. Wait and didn't wait and
didn't she fell onto someone fell onto another passenger who
survived and was fine. Can you imagine being the person
(04:08):
who someone fell on top of and died? No, it really,
I don't mean that's how we were feeling. That's how
we were feeling too. We were like we were trying
so hard not to laugh because but like laughing is
just like a natural nervousness around this like really precarious thing,
because like cruises are just like willfully and knowingly like
(04:29):
tacky and like funny and white loadusy, Like it felt
like white lotus. I was like, this is some triangle
of sadness ass like plot development. And we were the
whole the rest of the week, we were just gossiping
with other passengers. So like something that I really love
about cruises is it is it does have kind of
a summer can't feel. And this was an adult's only cruise,
(04:50):
so no children and everyone can kind of just like
be you know, like adults. And so we were just
like gossiping about what was happening and talking to each
other and making friends ends and like um, yeah, and
I texted you this over the weekend and you still
don't believe me. But I do think that for the
most part, a cruise like this is so up your
(05:12):
alley in terms of style of vacation, Babes, No, no,
but he can you Can you hear me out? Can
you hear me out? Even if it's I've heard you out?
I get, I get the argument, But yeah, for the
for the sake of Virgin, I'm saying yes, and I
would like to. I like to hear your argue. Even
if this is not true, I do feel like the
thing about Virgin, Babe. The thing about a cruise like
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this is one all the amenities are brand new that
like the food, tastefully done like great restaurants, like great ambiance,
good programming, like everything everything about it was like so
gorge and nice in comparison to like what you think
a cruise might be, which is like carnival cruises where
it's like packed and disgusting. This is a really, really
like low key cruise with not that many people on it.
(05:54):
But most importantly, with a cruise, you don't have to
make any decisions, like you can eat at any time, anytime,
anytime you want whenever you want, wherever you want, you
can shake your iPhone and someone will bring you champagne
anywhere you are on the boat. Anywhere you are on
the boat, they will bring you a bottle of My Way,
And I don't drink this. My point is the ease,
(06:17):
babe there. You don't have to decide where you're going
to on the boat because they just drop you off
and pick you up. They drop you off at a
resort place, so like you're not making decisions on where
you're gonna go. You like, everything on the boat is free.
You get to do whatever you want, and like most importantly,
like your time is just completely your own and you
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never have to like experience decision fatigue. And I was like,
that is something even though the crowds is something you
cannot live with. I was like, Rose wants a vacation
where she makes no decisions, and that I think when
appeals to that's that's actually that's actually not true, because
I mean the thing is, while you and I have
had some great vacations where we have gone and you know,
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like rented a house somewhere, we have never traveled together.
And when I'm actually traveling and exploring places I like
making decisions. I like just going out in a new
city and walking and like seeing where the day takes me.
So it's not really that part of the cruise that
I'm like, not like latching onto or that's that's not
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the part of the cruise that I think would work
for me or not work for me. The thing about
the reason why I don't want to go in a
cruise is because I don't ever want to be somewhere
that you can the only way I can leave is
by jumping overboard. Well, it's just me. That's why I
never When I guess when I was a party girl,
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I would never. I would never go to a boat
party ever. Yeah, person, I would. I would be row.
I would be old Rose. Well, I would be young
Rose when she tries to jump off titan off the
Titanic and you know, Leonardo DiCaprio stops her, But I
would be like bye by yeah, I just you know,
(08:05):
I've done the cruise thing. As we said, I lost
my Virginia on a cruise I forgot about. It's not
it's not the crowds. It's not like I'm not gonna
it's not like being seasick or anything. It's just I
don't want to be trapped like that. It's not my
preferred way to travel. I know, I understand, but I'm
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I'm so happy you had I'm so happy you had
a great time. I did have a great time. Laurel
and I were just did you like, did you do
like a did you do this sort of like, um,
you know, they always have activities for your stops. Did
you like go parasailing or like snarkling or anything. Laurel
made us go snarkling. I didn't really want to because
you know, the deep sea is one of my greatest fears. Um,
(08:47):
as we've talked about on the pod deep super super
duper spooky. Um and uh, but that was that we
did that and it was actually really fun, like you
were It's not like you were in a submarine going
to no No. It was like if you like yeah,
and I was like doing it like basically being in
a pool with fish, doing it in my skims as
(09:07):
well in front of like all these like children and tourists. Um. Yeah,
it was great. Um, I was tucked at sea for sure.
It was lovely. Um And I think that honestly the
best part of the vacation. Was just like dolling up
with Laurel and like picking like one two three outfits
per day, like and just stunting your your like, um,
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coverage of your trip was very fun to thank you.
I appreciate it. And I feel like a lot like
that was just like the big pot. That was like
the big fun for us was just kind of like
stomping around and being perceived and like and like being
the stars of the ship and I um and like
because everyone would just stop us and be like, oh
my god, you guys look amazing. You guys are the
most fashionable people in the blah, which is obviously what
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we're fishing or yeah, of course, um literally fishing and
I I I think also like you, we both I
mean you. That's another thing that you would appreciate is
like we have you know, we are good with resort
where like we can stunt in some resort, you know,
sledh um. And I was having a lot of fun
with that, um, but I would like to do that
(10:11):
at a resort. Yeah, not not at a not on
a floating resort. I I did also shock horror aghast
um read two books on this cruise. You know how
to read, Yes, reveal your literate I've shook finally read
two books, um, which you know, yeah, long time coming.
(10:33):
I read the Nora Ephron's Book of Essays. I feel
bad about my neck, which was, to be honest, fine,
it was really fine. Like I don't know if you
have you read any of her essay you came for
her neck, um. I I have read um an essay
of hers before, and I've read her fiction a lot
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of her A lot of her essays are like magazine writing,
so they're really really short, and a lot of them
are really timely or have really of the moment kind
of references that like aren't funny or or interesting anymore.
So that was like part of it, which is not
the book's fault. But she also obviously is just like
a woman with a with dated takes on. She's a
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woman of a certain age in a certain generation who
you know, just spend a lot of a lot of
that books talking about like prop property, moaning property, and
like how she's getting priced out of her like injury
apartment and it's really hard for her. And I was like,
I was like shut, But her voice is incredible, and
like I was just addicted to her voice. The whole
(11:38):
time through and that's what got me through. But I did,
I did skip an essay or two. I'm not gonna lie.
Um Yeah, and then I also read um Cyrus Dunham's
A Year Without a Name, and I talked about that
book on our Patreon because there's a little more in
depth chatter to be had there, so you know, subscribe
to her patron if you want a quick little friends
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book corner fab love to Tease Virgins. If you haven't noticed,
we're doing things a little differently this week. We you know,
we know, we've been hitting you with some of our
incredible guest centric episodes, but we haven't had a moment
to really catch up chit chat. So today it's going
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to be a full, key, key episode and we're just
gonna talk about what we've been doing, what we've been consuming,
what's going on in our lives. And we did so
much of it that you will yes have to subscribe
to our patreon, become a patron patreon dot com slash
like a Virgin to get the full tea. Okay, wait,
(12:42):
so what did you do last week? I was literally
on a boat end, like in Communicado. A lot of
the week. It was very nice to not have cell
service or grinder. I you know, was on my grind
as I want to be. But I also did have
a pretty social week. I went to a salon hosted
(13:04):
by Hunter Harris UM and um, we talked about jealousy,
which was very interesting. Um Hunter Hunter like partnered with
this brand UM that are it's some kind of like
social platform UM and they are hosting these salons where
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they bring women together to talk about a specific topic.
And our topic was jealousy. UM. So we you know,
there were like eight of us and we ate m
charcouterie and talked about it um for two hours, which
is very interesting and stimulating. And then you will be
shocked to hear that. On Friday night, I went to
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a party afore Oh wait, yeah, I saw Charlene DJ
Yeah um, friend of friend of mine and of the
pod and former like a virgin guest. Tie Mitchell had
a birthday this weekend. Had had a party Friday night
at our friend Eric's house, and I said I was
(14:10):
gonna I was gonna come early and leave by eleven
and baby, you best believe that at eleven o'clock on
the dot, I looked at Ryan and went TikTok and
we were out five minutes later. Boom. I'm impressive, though,
I'm proud of you for going. I mean, look, I'm
I'm debt. Look if we if we only get you
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until eleven rose, I'm happy to take it and I
would love to go and and the parties stood. The
party started at ten. I told I told Eric we
were coming early, and we did show up early because
I like, that's my early before they were done setting
up and was out by a lot the way I would.
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I didn't even know, say, like tim I turned thirty
at midnight, I didn't even Yeah I left an eleven
Yeah absolutely, yeah, girl, I mean love your style. We
love this for you, and I would love to attend
a party with you at some point until eleven PM.
(15:15):
I think that would be really fun to do that together. Yeah,
maybe maybe our own party. Oh we haven't talked about
our live show. We should Oh my god, should um
like give the girls a download? So we had a
live show in New York to two weeks a week ago.
Now we raging success. We did record it, so look
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out for a potential Patreon episode with the audio from
our live show and every time we bring up Patreon,
I'm going to say, go to patreon dot com. Slash
leg A Virgina become a five dollars a month. Um.
It was super fun. Um. We did not come on
Everybody in Brooklyn, which is such a cute venue. I
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actually had been before, although I know the owner and
have worked at some of their other spaces. It was
so convenient. I was able to walk home, which was great,
and the crowd was so fun. We watched the bisexual
episode of Sex in the City our friend Peyton Dix.
I had never seen it before, so we got to
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truly induct her into the nightmare cult that is, you know,
Sex in the City, and it was super fun. I'm
really really stoked and like about like how it went
and Slash I just want to do so much more
of these because it's like a really fun format to
play with. And I feel like I feel like we
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were just you know, having fun and you know, you
had never been to come On before, but like come
On is like you know my cheers essentially, like I
now go there more than any other gay bar in
the city, and so I felt like I was kind
of like given a show for home, and I really did.
I really, it just felt like an easy, fun living
room vibe for the night. I just like thinking about,
(17:02):
like trying to dream up, like what will we watch next?
Who will you watch something with next? Yeah, Virgins, you
should slide into our DMS and let us know, you know,
if you came to a live show, what, because I
think this is such a good format for what we do,
to be live reacting to something. So yeah, slide into
our DMS and let us know, like do you want us?
(17:23):
Do you want to see us watch Twilight or you know,
like half of Titanic or like an episode of Buffy
or whatever. Also, if you want us to go on
tour and come to your city and do this, um,
let us know if you like go to college and
you know, like have the resources to bring us out. Yeah,
(17:47):
like we we are very We're submissive and bookable, submissive
And there has been some really amazing music released recently
(18:19):
that we haven't really talked about. I have been doing
basically nothing but listening to the New Boy Genius album
The Record since it came out the week before last.
Have you listened yet? I haven't. Actually I listened. I
listened to all the singles and I really do love
Boy Genius. I'll listen to anything Phoebe Bridgers touches and
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my kind of just the thing that I was immediately
attracted to with that project when they released their first
album you know a while ago, was just their love
for each other. I think that the friendship and they're
kind of like willingness to collaborate, and the way they
write songs together, I think it's really cool. Um and
I I think that from a kind of music writing standpoint,
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it's very inspiring. But what did you What do you
think so far? I love I love the record, the record,
the record, Um, I kind of couldn't you know. I
did listen to the old, the older Boy Genius stuff,
and um, you know, I love Phoebe Bridgers obviously. I
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also really love Lucy Dacus. I have no idea who
Julian Baker is outside of the context of Boy Genius, Like,
I've never listened to any of her there. She's kind
of giving, They're kind of giving, they're kind of giving them,
they them a little bit. Um. I've never listened to
any of Julian's solo music, so I don't know how
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different this album is. What I like about the album
is that there are songs that clearly feature a certain
person's voice more or you know, from knowing Phoebe and
Lucy's music feature their musicality a little bit more. But
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for the most part, like as you said, it is
really them blending their voices and perspectives together and really
like propping each other up. Of course, like because Phoebe
is the most famous and the most prominent, and she has,
you know, her music has been the most out there
in the world for the past couple of years. I
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think it's easy to listen to this album and be like, oh,
this is just a Phoebe Bridgers album with these other
two people on it. But it does. I can when
I'm listening notice that certain songs feel more like one
of them than the other, and I like that. It's
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a It's nice that they can have their you know,
three different musical careers and then come back to this
project and work together. I think that's a really interesting
way to make music. UM. Some of the standouts for me,
I love True Blue, which is like very much a
Lucy song. UM. Also Leonard Cohen Satanist is really good
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and then not strong Enough, which was I think the
second single they released is so good. Like I'm absolutely
certain right now that it will be like, if not,
if not my number one song of the year, you know,
when Spotify Wrapped comes out, you know, at the end
of at the end of twenty twenty three, it will
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at least be in the top five because it's just
so good and it's such it's such fucking lesbian ass music,
Like it's so it's so just like you know, yeah,
sad gay girl vibes, Yeah down yeah. I you know,
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I'm like a kind of I like the kind of
idea of Phoebe being the kind of front man of
this band, Like it reminds me of the High Women.
It also reminds me of Trio that Emmy Lou Harris,
Linda Ronstaid, Dolly Parton project. Like these kind of like
you know, rock country powerhouses coming together to do something
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or just like creative collaborators, I think make a lot
of sense. For Julian Baker Rose, I think you should
listen to Little Oblivions, her most recent album. I think
you would kind of I only listen to it once,
but it does have a kind of like Claro Waxahatchie,
maybe even like Japanese breakfast kind of like vibe, but
that's but like just adjacent, like it's it's pretty specific.
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I don't know if I'm doing it justice, but yeah,
that's I'm definitely going to dive in. Now that you've
recommended it, I definitely want to listen. Another new release
that I still need to spend some more time with,
but did listen to this weekend while I was sort
of puttering around my apartment is Eag's debut album with
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a Ammer. Obviously, Yaig has been around for a while
and has some, um, you know, really incredible EPs, but
this is her first proper album and it's so good
I need to have sex while it's playing. Stacked. Oh
it's not. It's not quite as sexy as her last EP,
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but it's very vibe um, And I just think I
have thought for years that that Yaig is like one
of the most interesting people making music, and now I'm
excited that she's now doing this. I mean, this is
like the whole thing with the music industry. It's like
it's not really her first album, but it's like probably
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her first like major label release or something. You know,
this is just how things get categorized. It's like this
is probably like you know, it's it's like, you know,
how always there are artists who are up for Best
New Artists of the Grammys and it's like oh and
you're like you've been out. Yeah, it's like it's like that.
It's that kind of thing. Um. So it'll be interesting
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to see like what this does for her career, if
she'll get kind of different attention than she has, because
you know, she's very sort of like Spin magazine cover vibes,
like if you know, you know, but hasn't gotten any
sort of I think probably the most like mainstream she's
gotten is you know, like rain Girl was a pretty
(24:29):
big song. Yeah. Um. I mean she's also she's like
a producers producer. I mean, like all everybody in the
music industry knows who she is or a lot of
like the indie girls have worked with her, and so
you know it's like, yes, she was on a Charlie song,
Yeah exactly, and she is kind of like a Charlie
because Charlie, you know, produced so many records for other
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pop artists before you know, like really making a name
for herself, and Yigie I think has been doing that
over the last few years, giving all many shows in
Chris spaces, Like, I feel like I've had the opportunity
to see like seven hundred AGDG sets since I've like,
you know, been living in New York. And I think
that is like the sign of a great music artist
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and producer is someone who's just always out there, always
making things, not afraid to like do shows even when
they're you know, even like in under any circumstance. So yeah,
I can't wait to I listened to the first half
when you recommend it, and I can't wait to keep listening. Rose.
Do we even want to talk about the news that
broke this weekend for I'll Never Walk for Neil Yes
(25:33):
Street again, Yes, I mean we have to. It's unconfirmed
at this time, so it is confirmed like news, it's
not confirmed by Taylor. It's until Tree Pain you know,
beams in from you know wherever. I'm not believing a word,
well actually until Taylor is back on tour this weekend
(25:55):
and you know me make some comment about it. Yeah,
So at this time, at the time of record, you know,
Monday afternoon, it is not yet totally confirmed. But based
on reports this weekend, Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn have
broken up. I know they were together first, they were
together for six years. That's crazy, it's I mean, is it.
(26:16):
Is it Taylor's longest relationship. I think it is, And
I yeah, that's gonna be kind of whackadoodle to see
what happens. I'm very excited obviously for the album. Um,
but yeah, bitch. The first the first thing I thought was,
we're getting a breakup album. Gonna be unreal. I mean,
I I really, it'll really, it'll really tell us a
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lot about who Taylor is. The thing is is, like,
this is part of the reason I don't love Taylor
is because like a lot of her music and her
songwriting is like less about her and more about like
how she is like reflected in like the men that
she dates, and so much of what her SI, so
much of her songwriting and life experience is really just
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like is in orbit to another man that doesn't deserve
her time, and well she's a mirror bley she told
us that's and it's a perfect metaphor for her, and
she understands that she understands who how her like love
takes for him and how it translates to her art,
and I think that's like something that makes her really
interesting as an artist, even though it's sometimes really like
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kind of cringe and basic. But with this specifically, like,
I think that when we think about all the breakup
music she's made before, you know, something like a reputation
or a red like is not going to feel right,
even though that's kind of what I want, Like, but
I it feels like it could be something that's actually
like really painful and meditative, or maybe something angsty. But
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I don't know. I haven't because we don't know the circumstances.
We don't know how it's going to shake out. Yeah,
but you know, I the thing is like from even
though Taylor obviously has made some incredible music about Joe
Alwan in their relationship, like he seemed like a very
boring person sing and and who knows, Like, I'm sure
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she will still be able to mind some incredible art
from this breakup. I just like it. I wonder what
the reason was. And it's not because she's gay. I
am not a gayler conspiracist. I think he's just fucking boring.
I mean, I watched five episodes of Conversations with Friends
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with him in it and could not get past it,
even though I loved the book and he's fucking boring
as fuck. I didn't even know He's not a compelling person.
I did not even know he was in that. Um I,
um yeah, I will be. The thing is, I'll be
very curious to know why they broke up. And the
other thing is we're gonna find out Like Taylor will
(28:48):
make us aware, the Whispernet Wrook will make us aware,
The Swifties will make us aware of how it all
went down. And I look forward to that information. So
stay tuned next on like a virgin uh live updates
on No, I'm just kidding me, you won't be doing that. Well.
(29:25):
The big thing to talk about is Succession. It's we're
recording this on Monday, and so Succession was on last night.
Means you have no excuse for spoilers. Yeah, so spoiler alert.
If you have not watched Succession, do not listen to this,
or do not do as producer Phoebe did and read
the Google doc with our notes on it without having
(29:45):
watched it. Um. Rip Logan, Roy, you were a real one.
I know right now you were in hell giving the
devil a blowjob. And you know, um, excuse me, the
devil is giving Logan Roy a blowjob period, Like he
is the one that he would manipulate his way into
(30:07):
that power dynamic. For sure, Logan Roy, Logan word got
to hell and saw the devil went fuck off, fuck off. Yeah, exactly,
Um did you see it coming? What did you think? No?
I was shocked, and in fact, when when they got
the call from Tom and Tom was saying, your dad's
very sick. Yes, I immediately thought it was a trick
(30:28):
because I was thinking about in the first in the
first season when Logan was like waffling about coming to
Shiv's wedding and Marcia called Shiv and was like, oh, yeah,
he's having like chest pains or whatever. I thought it
was just another Tacticum, And no, he's dead. He's really
(30:49):
fucking dead, really fucking dead. It was unexpected, and I
even thought maybe that he was going to come back
after CPR, like they gave us that hope and that
kind of um, that kind of like yeah, like what's
gonna happen kind of vibe, and even like when um, fuck,
what's the Carrie? When Carrie, like you know, came back
(31:11):
through the kind of yes, through them. Yes, that's what
I was giving And I was like that when she
did that, I was like, oh my god, did Logan
Roy like come back to life? Like that's immediately where
my head went, Like I thought it was out like
all yeah, like a kind of gag um. But I'm
shook and I feel like it's It's interesting because the
(31:32):
entire series is kind of predicated on this idea of succession,
and the first scene in Succession him Yes, the first
scene is Succession is him losing his motor functions and
and they're like, oh, he's going to die soon. And
so now that he's tryally dead, it's going to be
really interesting to see where the show then goes, especially
since all of the suspend attention is on this rivalry
(31:55):
between father and children, and now that the father's on,
who is this rival real against? Like is it gonna
is like Roman going to take the other side? Are
they going to be up against Tom and Jerry? Um?
Like what's gonna I don't know, Like it's going to
be interesting to me, Yeah, I do. I do think
the episode sort of sets that up a little bit,
(32:18):
because you know, for all, for all the kids bluster
about hating their dad and only caring about the business
and the money. As soon as things got really real,
you saw how it became the kids on one side
actually processing the fact that their father is dead, processing
(32:40):
and like not processing, which was and then and then
you know, Jerry, Frank, Carl and the pr the publicist,
yeah her, whatever her name was, um them immediately going
into business mode and trying to think of like a
statement and like the markets, and you know, for the
(33:02):
first time, the kids are like, oh, like this actually
the business part of this like doesn't really matter to us.
And we're grappling with the fact that our fathers died
and like as much as we hated him, we loved him.
And I did love that moment where where Kendall was
on the phone talking to their dad and said, you know,
I don't forgive you, but I still loved you. And
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I do think that might be the divide now is
between the people who know that they really were only
on the inside because they were useful to Logan, like
people like Tom and Greg, who you know ingratiated themselves
to Logan at the expense of their other relationships, like
(33:47):
Tom was Shiv And now like you saw that Tom
like said to Greg, like people should know that I
was like there, that I was with him because he's
like seeing this like shield that he had crumbling before
his eyes because Logan's gone and it's Yeah, I do
(34:08):
think that could be the rest of the season is
sort of the kids versus you know, the business people,
like Tom going to become the big bad Like I
could see that, Like he's so in control throughout the
whole process and like toward like as of recent episodes,
like seems to really know what he's doing, but he's
(34:30):
also like such a spineless little weasel, like I don't know,
I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. The acting
in this episode, my god, Emmy's for everyone. I mean,
especially Sarah Snook who plays Shiv. The scene where Kendall
comes down to get her like that, like watching her
(34:51):
go from that to realizing what's happening and like not
believing it and accepting it and then being put on
the phone with Logan just like like some of the
most incredible acting I've seen in a long time. Um.
I also, I mean everyone was fantastic, but I think
especially the kids like fucking knocked it out of the
(35:15):
ballpark and and also Tom Um. You know, Matthew mcphaden
is an amazing actor, and it's going to be crazy
when you know, like award season rolls around, all these
people are going to be basically like probably pitted against
each other. I mean, shif for sure. I think I
hope that Tom will get an m I think honestly,
Logan Roy phenomenal. Like his kind of rousing speech that
(35:37):
he gave to the floor right before this like all happened,
I thought was like so compelling and in at like
now looking back and I was like, oh, that was
his final message to the company. Yeah, And it is
crazy how how absent he is in this episode. You know,
he has that one moment at the beginning because they're
(35:58):
gonna go talk to Matt's and tried to like salvage
the deal, and then he's just gone and they don't
really show him at all, like there's no death scene.
And you know, I was watching the inside the episode.
I also listened to some of the Succession podcast, which
is very good, and you know they were talking about
how they had like played around with the idea of
(36:19):
saving his death till the end of the series, but
like that never felt right, and they wanted it to
happen early in the season because they wanted the final
season to be more about how everyone copes with it
season aftermath. Yeah you didn't know that. Oh I didn't
know that. That makes me feel a lot better. Yea death.
This is the last season of the show. Wow, And um,
(36:43):
you know, they talked a lot about how like this
episode is really about how death happens in our modern life,
about how it's like you know, the phone where that's
like a bad connection and they're only getting this information
second hand, and you know, like Roman being so unwilling
to accept that Logan is dead until someone actually confirms it,
(37:06):
because like imagine how like I felt the same way,
Like I wasn't going to believe Logan Roy was dead
until a doctor said time of death. And it's that
moment where Shiv is like giving the press conference and
she's like, as you know, our father was pronounced dead
on arrival, and like that was oh my, oh my god,
it like it got me, Like Logan is a horrible person,
(37:27):
like truly like one of the most evil people who's
ever been on TV. And I still was, so I
did feel emotional about his death because of the way
that they made it feel so real. The layers of
the episode and of these performances were like totally Like
I mean, people are calling it the best episode of
(37:48):
the series. I definitely think it's one of the best
episodes of the series. And I feel like a lot
of that had to do with the way all these
relationships crystallized in the kind of like in how they
reacted to the grief or how they denied that the
death was happening. And I there's so many Like one
of the layers was like this kind of like metric
(38:10):
of like wealth and power and access and how it
kind of convolutes and constrains your ability to grieve, which
I thought was incredible. And like all the disinformation that
you were talking about like going like you know, signals
going up to the plane, the press circling around it,
a whole room of people already strategizing around to the death,
your inability to kind of strategize with them because you're
(38:30):
actually trying to grieve. And then and then also like
they're so so fucking wealthy, and they're so used to
getting everything they want and they're so used to all
of the roys are so used to controlling every single
component of their lives that they were trying to control
their dad's death and can and keep him from dying,
even though he had been dead for like fifteen minutes,
(38:53):
fifteen twenty minutes at that point, and they're still trying
to be like no, no, no no, but we need to
get a doctor up there, We need to get blah
blah blah, you need to get like It's like that
was like psychotic and so so real to me, um,
And I think that in that seeing all the ways
the relationships crystallize between Roman and Jerry, Tom and shiv
(39:14):
Uh and like Connor and Willa, and Connor to me
was like so the MVP of this episode in a way,
I loved his reaction because you know, throughout the series,
Connor is the one who has the has been the
most often like letting the shitty things their dad does go,
(39:35):
even as recently as last week, because he like wants
to stay in the good graces and like he's not
as wrapped up in the business as the rest of them.
But then after that speech he gave last week which
we never talked about, about how he doesn't need love,
which is and which was incredible, like incredible writing and
incredible acting. His immediate reaction to the death is like,
(39:55):
I'm fine, Like this was not a man who loved
me anyway, and like, like he said last week, I
can deal without love. And I mean because his wedding
day family, Yeah, he found out in the same moment
that not only was his dad dead, but his dad
was dead as he was in the act of skipping
(40:16):
his wedding. Yeah, which is like such a fucking mind fuck.
And then I loved that moment between him and Willa
where they're like going to call off the wedding, and
then it finally makes them, um, like be really honest
with each other about their relationship, and you know, she
says to him that like obviously the financial security of
(40:37):
being with him and is a huge element in their relationship,
but she does still care about him. And then they
still got married at the end of the day, and
you know, like it that it allowed them to be closer.
And I love Willa. Yeah, I love Connor and I'm
not going to leave you yet. Like it's so funny,
like it was just so honest. Um. Yeah, well love
(40:58):
really is your girl, Yeah, I mean she is. I
now that I know that this is the last season. Um, yeah,
I'm I'm just I'm really excited for more. I'm really
excited for how this all kind of winds up. And
I'm mixed. I want to know what happens between Jerry
and Roman. Oh my god, their relationship up. I mean,
(41:23):
this is this show is that when you when you
come for Jerry Kellman, you fucking die on a private jet.
Because the whole episode starts with Logan deploying Roman, who's
newly back on his side, to fire Jerry at the
wedding um, which she does and like she is clearly
pissed and devastated, and Roman is pissed and devastated and
(41:46):
left that message for his father, which he's like unsure
if his if Logan listened to where he like called
him a cunt. I forgot, I forgot, and that's now,
that's now what he has to live with. Also, something
that I thought was interesting in listening to the podcast
is that the main sequence on the boat where you know,
(42:07):
there where Shiv finds out that, I mean, for the
main sequence on the boat where like they find out
about the death and like they're dealing with it. Apparently
while they were shooting it, they decided to do a
version of that where they shot it all as one take.
I knew it and I know really like performed performed
this like one act play on the boat and obviously
(42:31):
it wasn't put in the episode is one long take,
but apparently a lot of the shots that they used
were from that, And um, I mean, like what amazing writing, acting, directing,
like the choreography of that. This is just such a
such a well made TV show. Yeah, it really shows
(42:53):
that was kind of like going to be My final
note is like that on that choreography, like the cinema
was popping off, and I think that something, yes, something
that so now like the final take, like knowing that
it was like supposed to be all one take or
that they shot a version that was all one take.
That was one of the first things that I noticed
when the kind of when the death is kind of
(43:14):
put in motion or like the hints of death are
put in motion, we get a lot of really long shots.
And something that I really appreciated about this death process
and something that I wish other shows did was just
like understand the power of living something in real time
and as the viewer we felt like we were in
real time experiencing the death through each character as it
(43:37):
happened to each character. And something that people never do
in screenwriting is like to like when someone you know,
when something happens, and then they have to go to
two other characters and tell them what happens. They have
to recap and say, Okay, this is what happened, and
like you usually don't write that part into a script
because you don't have to recap for the audience because
we already watched it. But seeing the kind of game
(43:59):
of telephone that they were playing, and the various ways
that they literally yes, and the various ways they were
all kind of framing this death, and they all framed
it differently, whether it was in denial or whether they
wanted it to be their mom or whether they wanted,
you know, they wanted to like focus on the pr
like whatever. That I think was just genius because you
immediately saw where everyone stood and how they were thinking
(44:23):
of their own you know shit at the whole time. Oh,
it was so good. Yes, I mean not to not
to be this girl, but I mean I do think
this episode owes a lot to one of the most
iconic episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slash the Body, which
is the episode in which Buffy's mom dies and she
(44:47):
and the other characters deal with it basically in real time.
And yeah, I mean, you know, death, death, There's a
reason why it's played out in mos you know, popular
media and in most you know, really good media because
the way that people deal with death, I think says
(45:08):
a lot about who they learn about the human condition. Um.
And yeah, I mean that, Like, as we were saying before,
this whole show is about death. That is the point
of the show. And so of course Logan was always
going to die. He had to die, Like that is
the only way that this question of succession is actually
going to be figured out, because Logan has spent this
(45:30):
whole show not dying, Yeah, refusing, refusing to accept that
he would die, and seeing his children and their their
struggle for power as the living, breathing embodiment of his
own mortality. And that's all interesting to see what Yeah,
and it'll be very interesting to see what the show
(45:51):
becomes in the absence of that. He will leave a
huge hole. Um, not only in my heart but in
my assy would suck? Would suck? Well, not let Brian
Cox would suck Logan Royan. Yeah, pretty bad, pretty bad.
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It's a hot take. Logan Rys a bad person, She's
she any not mate, not my mate. Yo yo yo,
what is your child? High mother? I am yo. I'm
going down the store like Welcome to Like a Virgin,
(00:36):
the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes.
I'm Rose, damn you, and I'm fran Toronto. Franny, you
are incredibly tan. Yeah, I am a gorgeous golden sheen slash,
a sun poisoned reddish brown. Um. And you look you
(00:58):
look like you And a week on a boat which
you in fact did that I in fact did. It
was truly an incredible experience. Nothing that happened on the
boat really could have been predicted. And yet here I
am and I am now at devout cruise attendee. Um.
(01:19):
I would take a cruise literally anytime, if it's free.
If it's free, important important disclaimer. And I think that
you need I think that you need to lead with
your your on your cruise recap. I think you need
to lead with the news that the main event the
diva doll herself as it well, the main event is
(01:40):
that on day one I don't even know if he
knows this. On day one of the cruise. Um we
you know, had departed from Miami on our way to
under Us and um late in the night, there's you know,
the dude, dude, and then a little this is your bam,
we are returning back to the shore a medical emergency.
(02:01):
We will be updating you blah blah. And so we're like, oh,
that's kind of weird, Like the trip is like stopped, sure,
like right at the beginning. What's going on the next morning,
eight o'clock in the morning, do do do? And like
the Captain's like, hello, passengers, we are so sorry to
let you know that last night a passenger was leaning
(02:23):
over the balcony on the seventeenth floor and fell to
the seventh floor of the ship and died. And everyone
on the cruise got a free cruise. That's crazy. Wait,
like like they refunded you or they gave you a
voucher for another cruise. It's unclear to me. I'm pretty
(02:44):
sure it's a it's a voucher that you didn't You
didn't immediately go and be like, Hi, Diva, can I
call you? Can you tell me exactly? Well, this whole
depth thing is about because we didn't really pay, like
we didn't really pay, Like we paid like a kind
of like a service charge whatever, but we didn't really
pay for the cruise, so we weren't really sure if
(03:04):
ours were refunded. We were mostly just like, oh, my
fucking god, this is crazy. And our friend who works
for the cruise line, who was on the ship, We're
like worried about him. And so it was like a
lot of investigating, like us being a nice, like human,
empathetic person. I skipped to that part well, like, honey,
don't get it twisted, like we were immediately cracking jokes,
and like the energy on the boat that morning was
(03:26):
so dark, and I did where I was like, oh
thank god, I packed at least like one outfit that
was all black you more, yes, with my dark sunglasses.
But like Laurel and I were like trying so hard
to not make like, you know, woman overboard jokes, um,
you know, like and and we we overboard starring Goldie Hanks. Yes,
(03:47):
and we tried. I think we did a pretty good
job of like being sensitible also acknowledging that that is
like kind of genuinely whack a doodle, And like I
hope that the families of those people are okay, But
also we were all gossiping. Wait and didn't wait and
didn't she fell onto someone fell onto another passenger who
survived and was fine. Can you imagine being the person
(04:08):
who someone fell on top of and died? No, it really,
I don't mean that's how we were feeling. That's how
we were feeling too. We were like we were trying
so hard not to laugh because but like laughing is
just like a natural nervousness around this like really precarious thing,
because like cruises are just like willfully and knowingly like
(04:29):
tacky and like funny and white loadusy, Like it felt
like white lotus. I was like, this is some triangle
of sadness ass like plot development. And we were the
whole the rest of the week, we were just gossiping
with other passengers. So like something that I really love
about cruises is it is it does have kind of
a summer can't feel. And this was an adult's only cruise,
(04:50):
so no children and everyone can kind of just like
be you know, like adults. And so we were just
like gossiping about what was happening and talking to each
other and making friends ends and like um, yeah, and
I texted you this over the weekend and you still
don't believe me. But I do think that for the
most part, a cruise like this is so up your
(05:12):
alley in terms of style of vacation, Babes, No, no,
but he can you Can you hear me out? Can
you hear me out? Even if it's I've heard you out?
I get, I get the argument, But yeah, for the
for the sake of Virgin, I'm saying yes, and I
would like to. I like to hear your argue. Even
if this is not true, I do feel like the
thing about Virgin, Babe. The thing about a cruise like
(05:32):
this is one all the amenities are brand new that
like the food, tastefully done like great restaurants, like great ambiance,
good programming, like everything everything about it was like so
gorge and nice in comparison to like what you think
a cruise might be, which is like carnival cruises where
it's like packed and disgusting. This is a really, really
like low key cruise with not that many people on it.
(05:54):
But most importantly, with a cruise, you don't have to
make any decisions, like you can eat at any time, anytime,
anytime you want whenever you want, wherever you want, you
can shake your iPhone and someone will bring you champagne
anywhere you are on the boat. Anywhere you are on
the boat, they will bring you a bottle of My Way,
And I don't drink this. My point is the ease,
(06:17):
babe there. You don't have to decide where you're going
to on the boat because they just drop you off
and pick you up. They drop you off at a
resort place, so like you're not making decisions on where
you're gonna go. You like, everything on the boat is free.
You get to do whatever you want, and like most importantly,
like your time is just completely your own and you
(06:38):
never have to like experience decision fatigue. And I was like,
that is something even though the crowds is something you
cannot live with. I was like, Rose wants a vacation
where she makes no decisions, and that I think when
appeals to that's that's actually that's actually not true, because
I mean the thing is, while you and I have
had some great vacations where we have gone and you know,
(07:00):
like rented a house somewhere, we have never traveled together.
And when I'm actually traveling and exploring places I like
making decisions. I like just going out in a new
city and walking and like seeing where the day takes me.
So it's not really that part of the cruise that
I'm like, not like latching onto or that's that's not
(07:21):
the part of the cruise that I think would work
for me or not work for me. The thing about
the reason why I don't want to go in a
cruise is because I don't ever want to be somewhere
that you can the only way I can leave is
by jumping overboard. Well, it's just me. That's why I
never When I guess when I was a party girl,
(07:45):
I would never. I would never go to a boat
party ever. Yeah, person, I would. I would be row.
I would be old Rose. Well, I would be young
Rose when she tries to jump off titan off the
Titanic and you know, Leonardo DiCaprio stops her, But I
would be like bye by yeah, I just you know,
(08:05):
I've done the cruise thing. As we said, I lost
my Virginia on a cruise I forgot about. It's not
it's not the crowds. It's not like I'm not gonna
it's not like being seasick or anything. It's just I
don't want to be trapped like that. It's not my
preferred way to travel. I know, I understand, but I'm
(08:25):
I'm so happy you had I'm so happy you had
a great time. I did have a great time. Laurel
and I were just did you like, did you do
like a did you do this sort of like, um,
you know, they always have activities for your stops. Did
you like go parasailing or like snarkling or anything. Laurel
made us go snarkling. I didn't really want to because
you know, the deep sea is one of my greatest fears. Um,
(08:47):
as we've talked about on the pod deep super super
duper spooky. Um and uh, but that was that we
did that and it was actually really fun, like you
were It's not like you were in a submarine going
to no No. It was like if you like yeah,
and I was like doing it like basically being in
a pool with fish, doing it in my skims as
(09:07):
well in front of like all these like children and tourists. Um. Yeah,
it was great. Um, I was tucked at sea for sure.
It was lovely. Um And I think that honestly the
best part of the vacation. Was just like dolling up
with Laurel and like picking like one two three outfits
per day, like and just stunting your your like, um,
(09:28):
coverage of your trip was very fun to thank you.
I appreciate it. And I feel like a lot like
that was just like the big pot. That was like
the big fun for us was just kind of like
stomping around and being perceived and like and like being
the stars of the ship and I um and like
because everyone would just stop us and be like, oh
my god, you guys look amazing. You guys are the
most fashionable people in the blah, which is obviously what
(09:50):
we're fishing or yeah, of course, um literally fishing and
I I I think also like you, we both I
mean you. That's another thing that you would appreciate is
like we have you know, we are good with resort
where like we can stunt in some resort, you know,
sledh um. And I was having a lot of fun
with that, um, but I would like to do that
(10:11):
at a resort. Yeah, not not at a not on
a floating resort. I I did also shock horror aghast
um read two books on this cruise. You know how
to read, Yes, reveal your literate I've shook finally read
two books, um, which you know, yeah, long time coming.
(10:33):
I read the Nora Ephron's Book of Essays. I feel
bad about my neck, which was, to be honest, fine,
it was really fine. Like I don't know if you
have you read any of her essay you came for
her neck, um. I I have read um an essay
of hers before, and I've read her fiction a lot
(10:55):
of her A lot of her essays are like magazine writing,
so they're really really short, and a lot of them
are really timely or have really of the moment kind
of references that like aren't funny or or interesting anymore.
So that was like part of it, which is not
the book's fault. But she also obviously is just like
a woman with a with dated takes on. She's a
(11:17):
woman of a certain age in a certain generation who
you know, just spend a lot of a lot of
that books talking about like prop property, moaning property, and
like how she's getting priced out of her like injury
apartment and it's really hard for her. And I was like,
I was like shut, But her voice is incredible, and
like I was just addicted to her voice. The whole
(11:38):
time through and that's what got me through. But I did,
I did skip an essay or two. I'm not gonna lie.
Um Yeah, and then I also read um Cyrus Dunham's
A Year Without a Name, and I talked about that
book on our Patreon because there's a little more in
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(12:21):
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so what did you do last week? I was literally
on a boat end, like in Communicado. A lot of
the week. It was very nice to not have cell
service or grinder. I you know, was on my grind
as I want to be. But I also did have
a pretty social week. I went to a salon hosted
(13:04):
by Hunter Harris UM and um, we talked about jealousy,
which was very interesting. Um Hunter Hunter like partnered with
this brand UM that are it's some kind of like
social platform UM and they are hosting these salons where
(13:28):
they bring women together to talk about a specific topic.
And our topic was jealousy. UM. So we you know,
there were like eight of us and we ate m
charcouterie and talked about it um for two hours, which
is very interesting and stimulating. And then you will be
shocked to hear that. On Friday night, I went to
(13:48):
a party afore Oh wait, yeah, I saw Charlene DJ
Yeah um, friend of friend of mine and of the
pod and former like a virgin guest. Tie Mitchell had
a birthday this weekend. Had had a party Friday night
at our friend Eric's house, and I said I was
(14:10):
gonna I was gonna come early and leave by eleven
and baby, you best believe that at eleven o'clock on
the dot, I looked at Ryan and went TikTok and
we were out five minutes later. Boom. I'm impressive, though,
I'm proud of you for going. I mean, look, I'm
I'm debt. Look if we if we only get you
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until eleven rose, I'm happy to take it and I
would love to go and and the parties stood. The
party started at ten. I told I told Eric we
were coming early, and we did show up early because
I like, that's my early before they were done setting
up and was out by a lot the way I would.
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I didn't even know, say, like tim I turned thirty
at midnight, I didn't even Yeah I left an eleven
Yeah absolutely, yeah, girl, I mean love your style. We
love this for you, and I would love to attend
a party with you at some point until eleven PM.
(15:15):
I think that would be really fun to do that together. Yeah,
maybe maybe our own party. Oh we haven't talked about
our live show. We should Oh my god, should um
like give the girls a download? So we had a
live show in New York to two weeks a week ago.
Now we raging success. We did record it, so look
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out for a potential Patreon episode with the audio from
our live show and every time we bring up Patreon,
I'm going to say, go to patreon dot com. Slash
leg A Virgina become a five dollars a month. Um.
It was super fun. Um. We did not come on
Everybody in Brooklyn, which is such a cute venue. I
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actually had been before, although I know the owner and
have worked at some of their other spaces. It was
so convenient. I was able to walk home, which was great,
and the crowd was so fun. We watched the bisexual
episode of Sex in the City our friend Peyton Dix.
I had never seen it before, so we got to
(16:20):
truly induct her into the nightmare cult that is, you know,
Sex in the City, and it was super fun. I'm
really really stoked and like about like how it went
and Slash I just want to do so much more
of these because it's like a really fun format to
play with. And I feel like I feel like we
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were just you know, having fun and you know, you
had never been to come On before, but like come
On is like you know my cheers essentially, like I
now go there more than any other gay bar in
the city, and so I felt like I was kind
of like given a show for home, and I really did.
I really, it just felt like an easy, fun living
room vibe for the night. I just like thinking about,
(17:02):
like trying to dream up, like what will we watch next?
Who will you watch something with next? Yeah, Virgins, you
should slide into our DMS and let us know, you know,
if you came to a live show, what, because I
think this is such a good format for what we do,
to be live reacting to something. So yeah, slide into
our DMS and let us know, like do you want us?
(17:23):
Do you want to see us watch Twilight or you know,
like half of Titanic or like an episode of Buffy
or whatever. Also, if you want us to go on
tour and come to your city and do this, um,
let us know if you like go to college and
you know, like have the resources to bring us out. Yeah,
(17:47):
like we we are very We're submissive and bookable, submissive
And there has been some really amazing music released recently
(18:19):
that we haven't really talked about. I have been doing
basically nothing but listening to the New Boy Genius album
The Record since it came out the week before last.
Have you listened yet? I haven't. Actually I listened. I
listened to all the singles and I really do love
Boy Genius. I'll listen to anything Phoebe Bridgers touches and
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my kind of just the thing that I was immediately
attracted to with that project when they released their first
album you know a while ago, was just their love
for each other. I think that the friendship and they're
kind of like willingness to collaborate, and the way they
write songs together, I think it's really cool. Um and
I I think that from a kind of music writing standpoint,
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it's very inspiring. But what did you What do you
think so far? I love I love the record, the record,
the record, Um, I kind of couldn't you know. I
did listen to the old, the older Boy Genius stuff,
and um, you know, I love Phoebe Bridgers obviously. I
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also really love Lucy Dacus. I have no idea who
Julian Baker is outside of the context of Boy Genius, Like,
I've never listened to any of her there. She's kind
of giving, They're kind of giving, they're kind of giving them,
they them a little bit. Um. I've never listened to
any of Julian's solo music, so I don't know how
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different this album is. What I like about the album
is that there are songs that clearly feature a certain
person's voice more or you know, from knowing Phoebe and
Lucy's music feature their musicality a little bit more. But
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for the most part, like as you said, it is
really them blending their voices and perspectives together and really
like propping each other up. Of course, like because Phoebe
is the most famous and the most prominent, and she has,
you know, her music has been the most out there
in the world for the past couple of years. I
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think it's easy to listen to this album and be like, oh,
this is just a Phoebe Bridgers album with these other
two people on it. But it does. I can when
I'm listening notice that certain songs feel more like one
of them than the other, and I like that. It's
(20:51):
a It's nice that they can have their you know,
three different musical careers and then come back to this
project and work together. I think that's a really interesting
way to make music. UM. Some of the standouts for me,
I love True Blue, which is like very much a
Lucy song. UM. Also Leonard Cohen Satanist is really good
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and then not strong Enough, which was I think the
second single they released is so good. Like I'm absolutely
certain right now that it will be like, if not,
if not my number one song of the year, you know,
when Spotify Wrapped comes out, you know, at the end
of at the end of twenty twenty three, it will
(21:34):
at least be in the top five because it's just
so good and it's such it's such fucking lesbian ass music,
Like it's so it's so just like you know, yeah,
sad gay girl vibes, Yeah down yeah. I you know,
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I'm like a kind of I like the kind of
idea of Phoebe being the kind of front man of
this band, Like it reminds me of the High Women.
It also reminds me of Trio that Emmy Lou Harris,
Linda Ronstaid, Dolly Parton project. Like these kind of like
you know, rock country powerhouses coming together to do something
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or just like creative collaborators, I think make a lot
of sense. For Julian Baker Rose, I think you should
listen to Little Oblivions, her most recent album. I think
you would kind of I only listen to it once,
but it does have a kind of like Claro Waxahatchie,
maybe even like Japanese breakfast kind of like vibe, but
that's but like just adjacent, like it's it's pretty specific.
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I don't know if I'm doing it justice, but yeah,
that's I'm definitely going to dive in. Now that you've
recommended it, I definitely want to listen. Another new release
that I still need to spend some more time with,
but did listen to this weekend while I was sort
of puttering around my apartment is Eag's debut album with
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a Ammer. Obviously, Yaig has been around for a while
and has some, um, you know, really incredible EPs, but
this is her first proper album and it's so good
I need to have sex while it's playing. Stacked. Oh
it's not. It's not quite as sexy as her last EP,
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but it's very vibe um, And I just think I
have thought for years that that Yaig is like one
of the most interesting people making music, and now I'm
excited that she's now doing this. I mean, this is
like the whole thing with the music industry. It's like
it's not really her first album, but it's like probably
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her first like major label release or something. You know,
this is just how things get categorized. It's like this
is probably like you know, it's it's like, you know,
how always there are artists who are up for Best
New Artists of the Grammys and it's like oh and
you're like you've been out. Yeah, it's like it's like that.
It's that kind of thing. Um. So it'll be interesting
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to see like what this does for her career, if
she'll get kind of different attention than she has, because
you know, she's very sort of like Spin magazine cover vibes,
like if you know, you know, but hasn't gotten any
sort of I think probably the most like mainstream she's
gotten is you know, like rain Girl was a pretty
(24:29):
big song. Yeah. Um. I mean she's also she's like
a producers producer. I mean, like all everybody in the
music industry knows who she is or a lot of
like the indie girls have worked with her, and so
you know it's like, yes, she was on a Charlie song,
Yeah exactly, and she is kind of like a Charlie
because Charlie, you know, produced so many records for other
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pop artists before you know, like really making a name
for herself, and Yigie I think has been doing that
over the last few years, giving all many shows in
Chris spaces, Like, I feel like I've had the opportunity
to see like seven hundred AGDG sets since I've like,
you know, been living in New York. And I think
that is like the sign of a great music artist
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and producer is someone who's just always out there, always
making things, not afraid to like do shows even when
they're you know, even like in under any circumstance. So yeah,
I can't wait to I listened to the first half
when you recommend it, and I can't wait to keep listening. Rose.
Do we even want to talk about the news that
broke this weekend for I'll Never Walk for Neil Yes
(25:33):
Street again, Yes, I mean we have to. It's unconfirmed
at this time, so it is confirmed like news, it's
not confirmed by Taylor. It's until Tree Pain you know,
beams in from you know wherever. I'm not believing a word,
well actually until Taylor is back on tour this weekend
(25:55):
and you know me make some comment about it. Yeah,
So at this time, at the time of record, you know,
Monday afternoon, it is not yet totally confirmed. But based
on reports this weekend, Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn have
broken up. I know they were together first, they were
together for six years. That's crazy, it's I mean, is it.
(26:16):
Is it Taylor's longest relationship. I think it is, And
I yeah, that's gonna be kind of whackadoodle to see
what happens. I'm very excited obviously for the album. Um,
but yeah, bitch. The first the first thing I thought was,
we're getting a breakup album. Gonna be unreal. I mean,
I I really, it'll really, it'll really tell us a
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lot about who Taylor is. The thing is is, like,
this is part of the reason I don't love Taylor
is because like a lot of her music and her
songwriting is like less about her and more about like
how she is like reflected in like the men that
she dates, and so much of what her SI, so
much of her songwriting and life experience is really just
(27:01):
like is in orbit to another man that doesn't deserve
her time, and well she's a mirror bley she told
us that's and it's a perfect metaphor for her, and
she understands that she understands who how her like love
takes for him and how it translates to her art,
and I think that's like something that makes her really
interesting as an artist, even though it's sometimes really like
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kind of cringe and basic. But with this specifically, like,
I think that when we think about all the breakup
music she's made before, you know, something like a reputation
or a red like is not going to feel right,
even though that's kind of what I want, Like, but
I it feels like it could be something that's actually
like really painful and meditative, or maybe something angsty. But
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I don't know. I haven't because we don't know the circumstances.
We don't know how it's going to shake out. Yeah,
but you know, I the thing is like from even
though Taylor obviously has made some incredible music about Joe
Alwan in their relationship, like he seemed like a very
boring person sing and and who knows, Like, I'm sure
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she will still be able to mind some incredible art
from this breakup. I just like it. I wonder what
the reason was. And it's not because she's gay. I
am not a gayler conspiracist. I think he's just fucking boring.
I mean, I watched five episodes of Conversations with Friends
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with him in it and could not get past it,
even though I loved the book and he's fucking boring
as fuck. I didn't even know He's not a compelling person.
I did not even know he was in that. Um I,
um yeah, I will be. The thing is, I'll be
very curious to know why they broke up. And the
other thing is we're gonna find out Like Taylor will
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make us aware, the Whispernet Wrook will make us aware,
The Swifties will make us aware of how it all
went down. And I look forward to that information. So
stay tuned next on like a virgin uh live updates
on No, I'm just kidding me, you won't be doing that. Well.
(29:25):
The big thing to talk about is Succession. It's we're
recording this on Monday, and so Succession was on last night.
Means you have no excuse for spoilers. Yeah, so spoiler alert.
If you have not watched Succession, do not listen to this,
or do not do as producer Phoebe did and read
the Google doc with our notes on it without having
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watched it. Um. Rip Logan, Roy, you were a real one.
I know right now you were in hell giving the
devil a blowjob. And you know, um, excuse me, the
devil is giving Logan Roy a blowjob period, Like he
is the one that he would manipulate his way into
(30:07):
that power dynamic. For sure, Logan Roy, Logan word got
to hell and saw the devil went fuck off, fuck off. Yeah, exactly,
Um did you see it coming? What did you think? No?
I was shocked, and in fact, when when they got
the call from Tom and Tom was saying, your dad's
very sick. Yes, I immediately thought it was a trick
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because I was thinking about in the first in the
first season when Logan was like waffling about coming to
Shiv's wedding and Marcia called Shiv and was like, oh, yeah,
he's having like chest pains or whatever. I thought it
was just another Tacticum, And no, he's dead. He's really
(30:49):
fucking dead, really fucking dead. It was unexpected, and I
even thought maybe that he was going to come back
after CPR, like they gave us that hope and that
kind of um, that kind of like yeah, like what's
gonna happen kind of vibe, and even like when um, fuck,
what's the Carrie? When Carrie, like you know, came back
(31:11):
through the kind of yes, through them. Yes, that's what
I was giving And I was like that when she
did that, I was like, oh my god, did Logan
Roy like come back to life? Like that's immediately where
my head went, Like I thought it was out like
all yeah, like a kind of gag um. But I'm
shook and I feel like it's It's interesting because the
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entire series is kind of predicated on this idea of succession,
and the first scene in Succession him Yes, the first
scene is Succession is him losing his motor functions and
and they're like, oh, he's going to die soon. And
so now that he's tryally dead, it's going to be
really interesting to see where the show then goes, especially
since all of the suspend attention is on this rivalry
(31:55):
between father and children, and now that the father's on,
who is this rival real against? Like is it gonna
is like Roman going to take the other side? Are
they going to be up against Tom and Jerry? Um?
Like what's gonna I don't know, Like it's going to
be interesting to me, Yeah, I do. I do think
the episode sort of sets that up a little bit,
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because you know, for all, for all the kids bluster
about hating their dad and only caring about the business
and the money. As soon as things got really real,
you saw how it became the kids on one side
actually processing the fact that their father is dead, processing
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and like not processing, which was and then and then
you know, Jerry, Frank, Carl and the pr the publicist,
yeah her, whatever her name was, um them immediately going
into business mode and trying to think of like a
statement and like the markets, and you know, for the
(33:02):
first time, the kids are like, oh, like this actually
the business part of this like doesn't really matter to us.
And we're grappling with the fact that our fathers died
and like as much as we hated him, we loved him.
And I did love that moment where where Kendall was
on the phone talking to their dad and said, you know,
I don't forgive you, but I still loved you. And
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I do think that might be the divide now is
between the people who know that they really were only
on the inside because they were useful to Logan, like
people like Tom and Greg, who you know ingratiated themselves
to Logan at the expense of their other relationships, like
(33:47):
Tom was Shiv And now like you saw that Tom
like said to Greg, like people should know that I
was like there, that I was with him because he's
like seeing this like shield that he had crumbling before
his eyes because Logan's gone and it's Yeah, I do
(34:08):
think that could be the rest of the season is
sort of the kids versus you know, the business people,
like Tom going to become the big bad Like I
could see that, Like he's so in control throughout the
whole process and like toward like as of recent episodes,
like seems to really know what he's doing, but he's
(34:30):
also like such a spineless little weasel, like I don't know,
I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. The acting
in this episode, my god, Emmy's for everyone. I mean,
especially Sarah Snook who plays Shiv. The scene where Kendall
comes down to get her like that, like watching her
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go from that to realizing what's happening and like not
believing it and accepting it and then being put on
the phone with Logan just like like some of the
most incredible acting I've seen in a long time. Um.
I also, I mean everyone was fantastic, but I think
especially the kids like fucking knocked it out of the
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ballpark and and also Tom Um. You know, Matthew mcphaden
is an amazing actor, and it's going to be crazy
when you know, like award season rolls around, all these
people are going to be basically like probably pitted against
each other. I mean, shif for sure. I think I
hope that Tom will get an m I think honestly,
Logan Roy phenomenal. Like his kind of rousing speech that
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he gave to the floor right before this like all happened,
I thought was like so compelling and in at like
now looking back and I was like, oh, that was
his final message to the company. Yeah, And it is
crazy how how absent he is in this episode. You know,
he has that one moment at the beginning because they're
(35:58):
gonna go talk to Matt's and tried to like salvage
the deal, and then he's just gone and they don't
really show him at all, like there's no death scene.
And you know, I was watching the inside the episode.
I also listened to some of the Succession podcast, which
is very good, and you know they were talking about
how they had like played around with the idea of
(36:19):
saving his death till the end of the series, but
like that never felt right, and they wanted it to
happen early in the season because they wanted the final
season to be more about how everyone copes with it
season aftermath. Yeah you didn't know that. Oh I didn't
know that. That makes me feel a lot better. Yea death.
This is the last season of the show. Wow, And um,
(36:43):
you know, they talked a lot about how like this
episode is really about how death happens in our modern life,
about how it's like you know, the phone where that's
like a bad connection and they're only getting this information
second hand, and you know, like Roman being so unwilling
to accept that Logan is dead until someone actually confirms it,
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because like imagine how like I felt the same way,
Like I wasn't going to believe Logan Roy was dead
until a doctor said time of death. And it's that
moment where Shiv is like giving the press conference and
she's like, as you know, our father was pronounced dead
on arrival, and like that was oh my, oh my god,
it like it got me, Like Logan is a horrible person,
(37:27):
like truly like one of the most evil people who's
ever been on TV. And I still was, so I
did feel emotional about his death because of the way
that they made it feel so real. The layers of
the episode and of these performances were like totally Like
I mean, people are calling it the best episode of
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the series. I definitely think it's one of the best
episodes of the series. And I feel like a lot
of that had to do with the way all these
relationships crystallized in the kind of like in how they
reacted to the grief or how they denied that the
death was happening. And I there's so many Like one
of the layers was like this kind of like metric
(38:10):
of like wealth and power and access and how it
kind of convolutes and constrains your ability to grieve, which
I thought was incredible. And like all the disinformation that
you were talking about like going like you know, signals
going up to the plane, the press circling around it,
a whole room of people already strategizing around to the death,
your inability to kind of strategize with them because you're
(38:30):
actually trying to grieve. And then and then also like
they're so so fucking wealthy, and they're so used to
getting everything they want and they're so used to all
of the roys are so used to controlling every single
component of their lives that they were trying to control
their dad's death and can and keep him from dying,
even though he had been dead for like fifteen minutes,
(38:53):
fifteen twenty minutes at that point, and they're still trying
to be like no, no, no no, but we need to
get a doctor up there, We need to get blah
blah blah, you need to get like It's like that
was like psychotic and so so real to me, um,
And I think that in that seeing all the ways
the relationships crystallize between Roman and Jerry, Tom and shiv
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Uh and like Connor and Willa, and Connor to me
was like so the MVP of this episode in a way,
I loved his reaction because you know, throughout the series,
Connor is the one who has the has been the
most often like letting the shitty things their dad does go,
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even as recently as last week, because he like wants
to stay in the good graces and like he's not
as wrapped up in the business as the rest of them.
But then after that speech he gave last week which
we never talked about, about how he doesn't need love,
which is and which was incredible, like incredible writing and
incredible acting. His immediate reaction to the death is like,
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I'm fine, Like this was not a man who loved
me anyway, and like, like he said last week, I
can deal without love. And I mean because his wedding
day family, Yeah, he found out in the same moment
that not only was his dad dead, but his dad
was dead as he was in the act of skipping
(40:16):
his wedding. Yeah, which is like such a fucking mind fuck.
And then I loved that moment between him and Willa
where they're like going to call off the wedding, and
then it finally makes them, um, like be really honest
with each other about their relationship, and you know, she
says to him that like obviously the financial security of
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being with him and is a huge element in their relationship,
but she does still care about him. And then they
still got married at the end of the day, and
you know, like it that it allowed them to be closer.
And I love Willa. Yeah, I love Connor and I'm
not going to leave you yet. Like it's so funny,
like it was just so honest. Um. Yeah, well love
(40:58):
really is your girl, Yeah, I mean she is. I
now that I know that this is the last season. Um, yeah,
I'm I'm just I'm really excited for more. I'm really
excited for how this all kind of winds up. And
I'm mixed. I want to know what happens between Jerry
and Roman. Oh my god, their relationship up. I mean,
(41:23):
this is this show is that when you when you
come for Jerry Kellman, you fucking die on a private jet.
Because the whole episode starts with Logan deploying Roman, who's
newly back on his side, to fire Jerry at the
wedding um, which she does and like she is clearly
pissed and devastated, and Roman is pissed and devastated and
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left that message for his father, which he's like unsure
if his if Logan listened to where he like called
him a cunt. I forgot, I forgot, and that's now,
that's now what he has to live with. Also, something
that I thought was interesting in listening to the podcast
is that the main sequence on the boat where you know,
(42:07):
there where Shiv finds out that, I mean, for the
main sequence on the boat where like they find out
about the death and like they're dealing with it. Apparently
while they were shooting it, they decided to do a
version of that where they shot it all as one take.
I knew it and I know really like performed performed
this like one act play on the boat and obviously
(42:31):
it wasn't put in the episode is one long take,
but apparently a lot of the shots that they used
were from that, And um, I mean, like what amazing writing, acting, directing,
like the choreography of that. This is just such a
such a well made TV show. Yeah, it really shows
(42:53):
that was kind of like going to be My final
note is like that on that choreography, like the cinema
was popping off, and I think that something, yes, something
that so now like the final take, like knowing that
it was like supposed to be all one take or
that they shot a version that was all one take.
That was one of the first things that I noticed
when the kind of when the death is kind of
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put in motion or like the hints of death are
put in motion, we get a lot of really long shots.
And something that I really appreciated about this death process
and something that I wish other shows did was just
like understand the power of living something in real time
and as the viewer we felt like we were in
real time experiencing the death through each character as it
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happened to each character. And something that people never do
in screenwriting is like to like when someone you know,
when something happens, and then they have to go to
two other characters and tell them what happens. They have
to recap and say, Okay, this is what happened, and
like you usually don't write that part into a script
because you don't have to recap for the audience because
we already watched it. But seeing the kind of game
(43:59):
of telephone that they were playing, and the various ways
that they literally yes, and the various ways they were
all kind of framing this death, and they all framed
it differently, whether it was in denial or whether they
wanted it to be their mom or whether they wanted,
you know, they wanted to like focus on the pr
like whatever. That I think was just genius because you
immediately saw where everyone stood and how they were thinking
(44:23):
of their own you know shit at the whole time. Oh,
it was so good. Yes, I mean not to not
to be this girl, but I mean I do think
this episode owes a lot to one of the most
iconic episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slash the Body, which
is the episode in which Buffy's mom dies and she
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and the other characters deal with it basically in real time.
And yeah, I mean, you know, death, death, There's a
reason why it's played out in mos you know, popular
media and in most you know, really good media because
the way that people deal with death, I think says
(45:08):
a lot about who they learn about the human condition. Um.
And yeah, I mean that, Like, as we were saying before,
this whole show is about death. That is the point
of the show. And so of course Logan was always
going to die. He had to die, Like that is
the only way that this question of succession is actually
going to be figured out, because Logan has spent this
(45:30):
whole show not dying, Yeah, refusing, refusing to accept that
he would die, and seeing his children and their their
struggle for power as the living, breathing embodiment of his
own mortality. And that's all interesting to see what Yeah,
and it'll be very interesting to see what the show
(45:51):
becomes in the absence of that. He will leave a
huge hole. Um, not only in my heart but in
my assy would suck? Would suck? Well, not let Brian
Cox would suck Logan Royan. Yeah, pretty bad, pretty bad.
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